/roag/ #11 - Orcane Bidet EditionPrevious Thread: >>503441078Welcome to The Official Rivals of Aether General. Here we discuss ALL things in the Rivals of Aether franchise!>The Rivals 3D event is live now:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O09lc9Y9MSM>Rockstar Kragg Skin added:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwT3mxMHPGo>LACS Rivals $25,000 Tournament Is Live: https://www.twitch.tv/mogulmoves>Alleged December 3rd Balance Patch Leak (take with a grain of salt): https://imgur.com/a/gDQIC43#fpRSNzM>Rivals of Aether official sites and Twitter:https://rivalsofaether.com/https://rivals2.com/https://twitter.com/RivalsOfAether>Where to get the games:>Rivals of Aetherhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/383980/Rivals_of_Aether/>Rivals of Aether 2https://store.steampowered.com/app/2217000/Rivals_of_Aether_II/>Lovers of Aether (Free Game)https://store.steampowered.com/app/1043180/Lovers_of_Aether/>Feedback form:https://rivals-of-aether-ii-launch.nolt.io/>Rivals of Aether 2 resources:https://rivalsframedata.com/https://dragdown.wiki/wiki/Rivals_of_Aether_II
the year is 20BC
When will it be his time again?
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smashies truly could never understandTHIS is rivals
Kragg v Kragg is the only time this game looks actually fun
the hell am i watchingim closing the stream
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>>503549035complaining about this is sheep behavior
Best set of the weekend by a country mile. You wanna nerf the bug? NO! Every set should be like this.
>>503549168i just dont give a shit about kragg or watching the same 1 or 2 fleet players dominate and the players arent even taking this seriouslyabsolutely nothing interesting going on in the top 6 today
>>503549279sure anon, im sure ultimate will be so so interesting and entertaining
Man, Cake vs Sol was more interesting and engaging than bugs throwing rocks at each other from across the screen.Kragg and Fleet need to be nerfed, I'm sick of seeing those two in tournaments. Marlon being banned has ruined the pro scene for this game.
>dan misgendered penguin Based?
>>503549215>zeebee laughing like a maniac as he dies Truuuuuueeeeee.
>>503549352>you dont like these specific waffles? that must mean you only like pancakes!go back to /v/ kiddo. this wont work on an oldfag like me
>>503549279>and the players arent even taking this seriouslyWhy do you think this? Because they're laughing and smiling? They're just playing seriously while also enjoying it.
>>503549382BASED! FUCK TRANNIES!
>>503549382Rivals of Aether is going to ban Dan Fornace for 2 months.
>>503549382...what? c-c-c-clip?!?!
>>503549684was during him talking about who could stand up against cake and penguin was mentioned in passing as "him"
>>503549440you seem awfully miffed for it to not "work" on you though
ggs whoever joined the lobby. i don't know who your main is, but if it's orcane you should spam down b bubbles as much as possible to control space better. i was simply not afraid to run up and just start hitting you. also try practicing your techs more and avoid jumping out of hit stun because both are easy to predict.seems like lobby codes cease to exist as soon as you actually queue up.
MVS better tbqh
>>503549925>spam down b bubbles as much as possible to control space better.gross
>>503549856clip it so we can cancel him and fuck rivals up to give trannies what they deserve
>>503549925>le whimsical epic wholesome doggo>has the most disgusting buttons and zoning in the entire game
>>503550034it is what it is. the character has an incredibly annoying game plan, but it's effective. it's either that or get up in people's faces by spamming cross-up nair and then absolutely fucking mash utilt to convert into strings. orcane is like a rushdown character with a trap.
>>503549856im getting so tired of asking people for clips and instead of spoonfeeding they just "describe" the clip to me. what the fuck happened to 4chan? you used to get exactly whatever you wanted just by asking every single time. these newfags are really pissing me off.||thanks anon, i'll scrub the vod for a clip later||
>discord spoilers>discord spoilers>discord spoilers>discord spoilers>discord spoilers>discord spoilershooooooly
>>503550185>Uses Discord spoiler tags out of sheer force of habitActually kill yourself.
>>503550171>fun character>"no you're wrong he's an annoying spamming zoner!"
>>503550336what?what the fuck are you saying nigga?
If I join the /vg/ room to learn the game would you make fun of me or teach me how to play the game?
>>503550512Oh i see>complaining about newfags>fucker uses discord spoiler tagslmfao
>>503550185lmao ooooooooooooffffffffffffffffffff
>>503550506he's not fun, you're just pressing buttons to scratch an itch and think you're having funplay any other character and you'll experience true enjoymentI'd know, I played orcane for 8 years
now this is peak zeebee
>>503550608long sets vs similarly skilled people >>> jumping between silvershitters and diamond NEETs on ranked
>>503550506i didn't say he's not fun, i just said he's annoying, which he is. i'd probably fuck with him more myself if he didn't feel so weird to control to me.>>503550608i'd give you advice / feedback but i'm not going to sandbag. but i'm also not particularly good (gold/plat), so whatever.
Why is the Kragg player constantly teebagging the Fleet player?
>>503550937is this loss
>>503550336>>503550464>>503550637>>503550661i'll admit, not my brightest moment! i'm a discord user larping as one of you! i got a little too into the bit flew a little too close to the sun had my hand a little too close to the stovetop, etc. i'll go back.
>>503550683>he's not fun>you just think you're having fun
>>503550949Because fuck Fleet I assume.
>twitchslop emojichecks out
>>503551042I know it's hard to understand but it's unironically true, you'll understand in the future. good luck on your journey
>>503550921nigga every character is annoying what game do you think this is
Holy shit that ledge hogging
I really don't know who is the most cancerous to fight, Kragg or Fleet; but I do know that Kragg players are the most obnoxious insufferable fucks.
>>503549382Are you allowed to call him a him if you’re talking about a time when he identified as male?
>>503551181I don't play Orcane, but if I did I'd laugh harder.
>>503551298fleet player detected
>>503551307i dont fucking care but if some troon wants to make a deal about it then you can.
>>503551298definitely orcane
>>503551307absolutely not. a woman is a woman.
>dan shitting on brainless melee player suggestionsbased
Cake has to win this, I will not accept a Kragg win.
Rivals 2 should add L-cancelling and remove the input buffer
Whoever wins, we lose
>>503551760Kragg losing is a win for all gamers.
>>503551587what did he say
>>503551809we need to build a rock wall
>>503551867if they just make edgeguarding better as some sort of blanket solution, it adds more problems than it fixes, game design is complicated like that
ah the 70th kragg vs fleet set where are the fucking zetterburns
>>503552003Mang0 and Cody got shit on.
>>503551732both are terrible suggestions
I'm so glad I ignore all the dogshit opinions here. You guys really are a riot.
>>503552003somewhere dead in pools because zetter is awful
>>503551990based
BRING BACK FAT LILY!
mang0 was right, zeebee is a dirty ledge camper>he's teabagging againlol, i don't blame him though
>zeebee shrugging when he gets killed at 20% by fleet but teebags when he does it to others as kraggLMAO
>>503552168I need my shotgun and fat maypul.
>>503552173>>503552230why is teabagging such a big deal?
i genuinely have no idea what you're supposed to about cake's fleet
>>503552145reddit told me zetter is top 5 tho
Cake Assault is the greatest platform fighter player in existence.
Zetter good, zetter players bad
why are they just completely avoiding to even mention kusi?
>>503552385Wait for Dec 3rd.
>another tournament where cake doesn't drop a single gameThis game is too fucking young for an Armada. Unbeatable player playing an annoying floaty.I want to know what dark ritual Cake performed to have Marlon banished.
cake beat fullstream though
>>503552481>i may have no evidence, but i'm right...!
Without Marlon/Kusi, CakeAssault wins this game free.
>>503552459>never placed a top 8 in Meleelmao>>503552549It is true that you have no evidence nor argument, good day!
when did cake get fat
Fleet dominance...
This is the difference between melee and rivals players. Parry exists for rivals players.
only the patch can save us now
>>503551732>add L-cancellingNo>remove the input bufferYes
>>503552532Rivals 1 pretty much had an Armada it's whole lifetime, only during the age of kusi was #1 even slightly contested but it was only between cake and kusi
>>503552636damn bro if zetter is so good you should go win a tournament with him! unless you're bad or something?
The skill difference between Cake and Mystery is so big.
>player who got to play the game for over a year beats everyone's week 3 mains>LE AGAIN oh the heckin narrative is so le cool!! whos going to slay the GAWD??
>>503552695Wait until next week when I write another greentext that convinces you L-cancelling is good too.
...>>503552684Mang0 is really bad at adapting to new games in general. He has that baseline of natural talent and skill, but then he barely learns beyond that. He just goes, "I guess I have to play like a LOSER," and seethes.
>>503552650he assaulted a lot of cakes. >>503552896>>503552684I get the vibe that the December 3rd patch is gonna be huge also its probably gonna come with other features like tutorial maybe.
>>503552821zeebee and cake are in the same boat, but cake himself has said he's been getting pretty generous/lenient brackets seeding wise.
>>503552821he did the same in roa1 for 5 years
>>503552896He really is good at Rivals 2 though, he just refuses to engagement in mechanics he dislikes like shield grab/instant nair game and the piss-poor ledgeguarding game.Little under 2% of player base are in Masters, and Mang0 is in there.
>>503552753I only play fun characters. He's so basic-bitch and boring, I'm glad you enjoy him though. Enjoy going 0-2.
>no character revealWell what now?
>>503552896The correct way to play current patch Rivals 2 is to play like a LOSER though. He's not wrong, he's just too sick to be doing that gay ass shit.
>>503552821most other top contenders have played rivals 2 for as long as cake has retard
I like that the next balance patch is based on what feels fun to play against rather than balance. I think feeling fun to fight is better you can adjust balance later.
>>503553115>heh, i could totally win with this character, i just don't want to...
>>503553030I mean, this current meta is basically designed to funnel Cake tournament wins. Kragg and Ranno are the two n00bstomper characters, and they're depopulating the bracket of any other character that could potentially (potentially) challenge Cake. The Kragg Fleet MU is fucking disgusting, it's like Fleet is leisurely bouncing a beach ball once he's off-stage.>>503553278Ultimate...
>>503552896the best way to play the game is a really unintuitive way where you sit in shield and counter the opponents offensive. Mang0 has always been an aggro player so when a game has a defensive bias like Ultimate he doesn't enjoy it.
>>503553374All we know is that you can't, ggs.
>Lox and Fors possibly the worst in the game>Zett midFire Nation is struggling in this game.
>>503553465you still have no evidence for any of your claims btw, i accept your concession
>>503553456I agree that the game needs to reward offense (that isn't just brainlessly mashing safe aerials on an opponent's shield) more consistently. There needs to be some form of either shield poking or block stun scaling, I think.
>>503553472For being the worst in the game I've seen both Lox and Fors in more top 8s than Zett.
Do I stick around for Ultimate? Are there any cool character on deck or is it all Fighters Pass slop?
>>503553425yeah, also doesn't help that fleet ALSO stomps noobs and some of the game's best reps (bbatts, cake sol) are holding it down with her on both coasts. the only people equipped to change things at this point are either banned (marlon) or have lives (boiko)
>>503553662That's because Zett only attracts washed up Melee spacie mains who refuse to play ROA mechanics.
>>503553670Light I guess.
>>503553670As a huge Ultimate hater, I'd say it's looking okay. Only one gay motherfucker in the bracket, which is Miya's G&W. Be prepared for a couple of fucking lame sets, but Glutonny, Tweek, Light, and Shadic are all okay to watch.
>>503553802Your headcanon is not a source.
>>503553897Source: Today's tourney. Secondary source: Last week's tourney.
>>503553802Zetter is such a retard trap>only balanced recovery in a sea of impossible to edgeguard ones>gimmick isn't very strong>stubby hitboxes>all he has going for him is good air speed and low lag>meaning he can shield pressure you in a game where shield pressuring people rewards you with nothingAttracts Melee players like flies and rewards them with a mediocre character who gets out-gimmicked by every other one
ggs ponyfriend
>>503554091ggs, ive got a lot of learning to do
kragg fun
>>503554085>>meaning he can shield pressure you in a game where shield pressuring people rewards you with nothingIt's baffling that shield breaks don't actually stun they just knock the character up in the air then they can act again soon as they land.
ggs man! close games bro you've hella improved. yeah man you were fucking me up for a bit lol fun games! any tips? got any advice? anything I can improve on? what do I do vs lasers? any tips? yo can I get next? is this tournament? you guys wanna do dubs? is this tournament
i normally like plup's shirts but this one is extremely blouse-codedjust extremely blouse-like>>503554303>mfw
>>503554303Awesome sets. Great size. Look thick. Solid. Tight. Keep us all posted on your continued progress with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you got man. Wanna see how freakin' huge, solid, thick and tight you can get. Thanks for the motivation.
>>503548323Oooouuugh i feel like a big one is coming
>>503554165 wait till the patch, game's ass rn
desu they should give zetter his airdodge out of aerial firefox startup back
braaaaaap
>>503548323This is thread #12 please try to keep it straight (unlike your sexuality).
>>503554575That'd be kewl.
>>503554648you said the last thread was 12 stupid.
>>503552824I’ll be here, brother.
>>503551732they should make buffer configurable
>>503554689That wasn't me, I actually counted.
>>503554575crazy that theyre nerfing his upb and dair next patch
post the buffer pasta
>>503554818dan's hatred of meleespergs runs deep
>>503554947>bite the hand that feeds
>>503554242You do fall extremely slowly. It’s basically a free, fully charged smash.
>>503548323The fact that Dan said the december 3rd patch is going to be focused on making characters more fun to fight against rather than strength has restored my faith in this game completely.I've been taking a break from the game but I WILL be back for the december 3rd patch.I hope the devs capitalize on it by having a light tutorial mode added on that date as well.
>Dan talking about how his dreams have come true
>>503554814prove it with screen caps. If you're right I'll suck your dick.
>>503555293>Dan said the december 3rd patch is going to be focused on making characters more fun to fight againstdid he really say that?
"Bandai" Namco is crosspromoting with Rivals 2 and Brawlhalla.Dan signed them on a deal to work on a reboot and remake of the first two Digimon Rumble Arena games once Rivals 2 reached 75% of it's post-release phase.Also, expect figurine production in the near future.>Inb4 "but why aren't they getting BN Studi-"Bitch, you know why.
>>503555442No thanks, you've been riding my dick enough as is.
>>503555490yooo try that on my leomon
>>503555481yes he said it on stream. They want to curb what feels uninteractive and unfun to play against. He also hinted that they're nerfing Orcane's fair.
Wait, he made Rivals?Holy based.
>>503555490>figurine
>>503555490Big if true. >>503555564>passing up a free BJNow I know you're lying.
>>503555490bitches think they're slick until they run up against my megakabuterimon
>>503555490>once Rivals 2 reached 75% of it's post-release phase.Percentage wise where are in currently in Rivals 2 post release face? 10%?
>>503555831Why work for a BJ when your ma is free
>planning to add a new character every 3-4 months That’s fucking awesome.
>>503555490Future Renamon Mains. Where are we feeling?Also if Bandai Namco want to cross promote with Rivals 2 then I think this means the odds of a Evo Las Vegas Rivals 2 event just got a lot higher.
>>503555998They're bringing back all original characters, so low %
>>503556182but are we getting a new character this December? That's the real question.
>>503556356And the answer is NO
>>503556453Damn it. Damn YOU!!!
>>503556356It seems like it was supposed to be Etalus around Christmas but they're having trouble balancing the bear apparently.
>>503556356Probably. I’m sure that’s what they’re aiming for, it’s just a question of whether or not any of the characters are polished enough to roll out.
>>503556557I hate to be that guy, but do you have a source? I keep hearing this and I want to believe it.I heard elsewhere that the first character will be a newcomer designed by Dan.
Zetter has no range, unsafe on all his moves and people think hes good
>>503556619Here's to another Forsburn-esque botched job.>>503556850Dude all you do is complain about him. Just switch off or whatever. Stop bitching.
>>503556949literally my first post fuck face, stop believing only one (1) person can complain about obvious shit
>>503556949>Here's to another Forsburn-esque botched job.Forsburn is good. Seethe and sneed.
>>503556850>unsafe on all his movesblud is capping
>Zetteretard posting random complaints that aren't even correct trying to bait people into giving him (You)s to validate him
>>503556850I wouldn't say unsafe on all his moves, but he's just about the only Rival in the game you can consistently edge guard. He's the worst in the game for this reason only.
>close 1-1 ranked match>down to the last stock, i'm bringing it back>suddenly notice rollback getting worse>look at my ping>starts climbing to like 300>back off and stop moving, expecting my opponent to notice how bad it's getting and stop attacking me>they keep beating my ass through lag so thick that there's a 3s delay>next match, everything is finei don't understand. i've never had a connection issue like this. i'm on ethernet. did i get fucking lag switched or did the server i was on just shit itself?
>>503555490Nerf this complete nignog, pls and thx.
>>503555490if bamco wants to work with Rivals and Brawlhalla does that mean they want to challenge Nintendo's monoply on plat fighters?
>>503555490Wait does this mean we're getting a digimon guest character eventually?
>>503558689They're free hires, they can do whatever they want.
>>503558856>>503558689If the december 3rd patch is great and this bamco digimon cross promo with rivals 2 is good then Rivals 2 could potentially end up being a serious rival (no pun intended) for Smash.
>>503558828The Brawlhalla crossover skin didn't result in a character. What's more, Sans Undertale in Ultimate didn't result in a playable Toriel.
Rushdown Revolt wonIcons: Combat Evolved won Sit the fuck down, retards.
>>503558990>Sans Undertale in Ultimate didn't result in a playable Toriel.thats because nintendo are cowards.
>>503559214Last time I checked Rush down and icons aren't getting a digimon crossover. Rivals 2 won.
>>503559214rushdown revolt doesnt even have matchmaking servers lmaoooooooo ;_;
>>503559214At what exactly?
Is online laggy for anyone? I thought it was my ping at first but even with 15 or less it still feels the same as if it were at 60-80 ping
>>503559817Visuals, gameplay, community, dev support, to name just a few.
>>503559834Feels a little rollback-y
>>503559684At least they made Weishan bigger
>>503559996>dev support>game shut down after doing pay to play much to the communities chagrin
>>503559996That game never even released anon.
>>503561191How did I play it then? Lmfao
>>503561191If RushRev's 1.0 version doesn't count as a release then neither does Rivals 2 in its current state.
Man goes to Doctor PeePee. Says he's depressed. Says Marth versus spacies seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what dash dances ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, "Treatment is simple. Great spacie Mang0 is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But Doctor...I am Mang0."
>>503562629A daring synthesis.
servers are shit tonight
all orcane players should fucking kill themselvesthank god they're nerfing bubble spam in the patch
>>503564473No you don't understand, annoying orcane is OPTIMAL and CORRECT>t. goldshitter who has no sex and no fun, ever
he's not wrong
>>503564886no video game is made for chihuahuas
>>503564886idk im enjoying playing and watching it. i think the only reason hes not having fun is because he couldn't win without putting in any real effort towards learning the game
>>503564886This is me but for Ranno and only Ranno.The rest are pretty tolerable, but it might be my MU spread.
>>503564886he was so real for thisfor me, it's fleet and orcane
i want forsburn to mating press me and then combust in my ass
>>503564473>bubbles getting nerfed so I can shit in orcmains' mouths>when I win the raffle I'll be able to shit in orcane's mouth directly
>orcane nerfwhat
https://imgur.com/a/zZbuyLfis this a glitch?? lmafo!!!
>>503565843he said they're nerfing moves that feel bad to play against because there's no real reason not to just spam the shit out of themorcane fair is one of those
post the leaked patch notes
>>503566080Buffs: ZetterburnNerfs: The rest
>>503564886This dude really has problems. >thinking about what to tweet before the match ends >looking back at your older seething tweets and thinking “yeah, I am cool and correct for thinking this”
>>503566251cope. kragg and fleet are broken.
>>503566383hi small leff
>>503566251you just know he was drafting that shit pre match too
>>503566016Wait did Dan talk about the patch during the lol cake wins stream?
>>503564473>>503565839>>503565843Orcane is secret top tier; he’s just kinda weird and not as braindead so nobody realizes it. Bubble spam only encourages faggots like dabuz to pick him up and play obnoxiously. This is a good change. Be an aggressive whale.
Ion said Leffen was bad at edge guarding in Rivals 2. Twitlonger about sexual misconduct in 5... 4... 3... 2.. ?
>>503565750Bro he is much more buff than that but same
>>503566891>Be an aggressive whale.Yes>Bubble spam only encourages faggots like dabuz to pick him up and play obnoxiously. Dabuz is cool>Orcane is secret top tierYou got sauced onBecause his theoretical potential is high does not mean he's "secretly" good. Even if you agree with the bubble nerf, that doesn't justify all the shit he got.
>>503566383True. Not as broken as Ranno, but true.
>>503566891Maybe if you can get the bair sweetspot consistently.
>>503565750Husband
I LOVE FLEET!
>>503567484>Because his theoretical potential is high does not mean he's "secretly" good.That’s exactly what it means. The community consistently underrates him because he’s weird.
Clairen's not even that good, it's just that all my fellow platstuck retards play her exclusively by dash dancing back-and-forth passively and never approaching
>Clairen bair sweetspotLarger than her hurtboxExtreme disjointWall, edgeguard, combo, kill, lots of utilityRequires minimal skill, spacing, setup (like the rest of her kit)>Orcane bair sweetspotHead of a pinMinimal disjoint, active for one (1) frame1st hit rarely connects to 2ndUtility: it looks sick and kills slightly early if Orcane flips tails three times in a row.Piloting Clairen requires precision btw. That's her archetype.
>>503568541No, if his practical potential was high, he would in fact be good, and it would not be a secret.If your argument relies on "theoretical secret potential", it isn't an argument.Orcane being annoying is legitimately a better argument for him being a top tier, as a result of tilt/salt which makes most players worse (and makes them cry for nerfs). Consult the tea leaves again for your next tier list, surely then you will understand.
I had a dream they patched in light shielding.
>>503569186>Clairen BairKills at about 140-160%, attached to a character with no projectile>Orcane BairSpammable, swings between killing at 80% with good DI and fucking 50% if you DI wrong
>>503570096lol sure
>>503569597It’s not entirely theoretical. Marlon dumpstered a bunch of people at online tournies with Orcane. Of course, he can do that with any character, but the VODs do show off Orcane’s potential. My point is very simple. He’s a harder character to get the hang of than most, while characters who are easy to pick up and play are thriving. If you think results in the first month of a game’s lifespan perfectly represent the full potential of every character, you might be dumb. Even if there were no patches, certain characters would go down as people figure them out, while others would move up.
-light shielding-ability to move shield-shield poking-removing bufferthere. game immediately fixed. no need to thank me, dan
Hi Dan. Please commission rule 34 from any of the female characters. Thanks, Anonymous.
>>503570613Edge guarding/ off stage is still cancer, frame advantage on shield still sucks, stages are still too big, and characters still move too slow. I won't hear any naysayers, these are all blights on the game.
>>503570374I don't watch Marlon but I did watch Leffen and Dabuz, and previously mained Orcane myself. Ease of use and reliability is a benefit which is more valuable than anything in Orcane's kit. Ask any top player.Anyone losing to Orcane either doesn't know the MU or is plainly outskilled.>results I never mentioned results, you did wrt Marlon unprompted.
Marlon says Orcane is a low IQ ape and one of the best characters in the game. He counterpicks Fleet with him if I remember right, probably because it's literally impossible to edge guard him.
>>503570983>Ease of use and reliability is a benefitThat’s true. But it’s not the only benefit. He has strengths that will be utilized more fully in time. >I mained orcane myself Oh, okay. So you’re personally offended that I said the character is better than people think because you couldn’t make it work? Don’t take things so personally. Just because the character didn’t click for you doesn’t mean you’re bad at the game.
>>503571336Still no argument, that's boring. bye bye.
i want to see marlon compete.
>>503571585samei wanna see a wrastor wreck shit
>>503571402You honestly look silly. I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were trolling from the start, instead of just now trying to salvage your self esteem.
>>503571673Is your home life ok?
>>503571585Soon. >>503571641The era where people look back and think “we were complaining about KRAGG?” as they get relentlessly pounded by bird dick will soon be upon us.
>>503571739Better than ever, man.
>everyone can kill me at 50%>I can't close out kills at 150%+Should I just quit and uninstall this game?
>>503571989Alright, doubt it, but hang in there.
>>503571997just only use your kill moves>oh i could land a fair herepointless. take the risk and go for a kill move or don't try to punish at all
>>503572078Are you still talking? All I said was orcane is better than people realize and you had a full blown schizo meltdown. Take it easy, friend. Look back at your posts and see how badly you need sleep.
>>503572242ok
Is this entire game just wait for the enemy to attack, shield, and then nair into combo/grab?
>>503572393If you're shit and don't know how to approach, maybe.
>>503572393you could mix it up with a dashback fsmash, dash dance spam in neutral, bait and punish, platform camping, run the clock down, etc.
Damn. The japs eating good tonight.
>>503552168this desu
Zetter downplayers are absurd. Even mang0 says all you gotta do is mash to win.
>>503576001>doesn't own any of the skins>meaning unless you happen to main Wrastor that's 400+ levels without the xp bonusmadman
>>503576001>>503576069This is for the thread schizo that says I don't play the game loel
>>503576267>>503576001>spends all day farming CPU only matches Yawn
>>503576492mhm instant reply, that's what I thought.
>>503576551I am happy I made you smile, anon
There's only one thing in this world that makes me smile
0/10 unplayable.
How’d you fags enjoy LACS?Despite Melee looking like a wash, I enjoy any tournament where ibdw gets upset, even better if it’s by amsa. Cake was ridiculously dominant in rivals, but at least there were some fun matches and a lot of salt along the way. Goodnight, everybody <3
>>503577607it was okay becuase leffen got mad. wouldve been much more interesting if marlon were there though
>>503577607>Melee looking like a washMelee had nearly double the viewers that Rivals 2 had, which had about 50% more viewers than Ultimate had.
>>503579985Alright Dan you've got two options here:Massive patch orDeathThose are your two choices.Choose wisely. So what's it gonna be? Huh? Huh?
Why is Clairen so ass?
>>503583142you suck
>>503583284I don't play Clairen, the poor losers who I constantly shit on because they play such an ass character do kek
>>503579985I think it mostly has to do with the schedule. The day before rivals was before melee and viewership for melee was lower.
>>503583901cope
Has Cakeassault given any specifics as to why he's playing Fleet over Fors?
>>503586904
>>503586978
>>503586978Yet he took multiple games off Marlon with his Fors. I really hope fleet is gutted so he'll be forced to go back to maining him full time. Would be much better for the image and health of the game.
>>503589335I suck vs Lox and I am not even joking.
>>503589636work on your punish game
>>503586978why does cake play mario
I just lost against a silver clairen when days ago I was in platinum what the fuck is happening to me help
>>503589335If I were to revise this, I'd probably put Fleet, Clairen, and Zetter up a tier.I'm not certain about the Orcane and Wrastor MU because of relative inexperience.
>want to use nice skin I bought from the shop>optimization autism prevents me from using anything other than the low poly skins which give me extra expReeee
>>503605198focus on optimizing fun
>>503605978The thought of buying up every chat message is too seductive
>>503606356I wish I could turn off chat
>>503606356wtf there's buyable chat messages?
>faggot icon>it's a FleetEvery time.
>>503605198im in the same boat brother... hope next month there isn't as tempting an option for optimization, like making me use maypul's winter stoat or something
>>503609476baited no-one award
>>503609975i am not maypulfag i do not play maypul, i am not subliminally broadcasting maypulfag's message i just really don't want to be stuck on one character for the entirety of the month just so i can get some extra coinage
Most based review of the game.
>>503610470holy shit, look at this fuckin retard lmao
>>503610587cute
>>503610587This is what happens when you use visual scripting to build an entire fucking game.
>>503610587this guy doesn't know he has to select the character before the skin to make them show up sometimes. for sure a bug that needs to be fixed but im not sure it can be, i think it's a consequence of skins being tied to playfab network calls for legitimacy.
>>503579985Not everything is about tribalism, you buffoon. The previous day, all the melee players looked sloppy, like they didn’t really care about the bracket. Then grands ended up being really hype.
>>503612941Day 1 had some interesting rivals games and quite booring melee bracket while day 2 had really interesting hbox vs amsa sets and grand finals while rivals was cakewinslol with bugs and foxes.
When I get grabbed, I don't have time to react and press B to cancel special pummel. I wrote a macro so I could practice in training mode and it hasn't helped while I'm in a match so far. Did anyone else have this issue, and how did you adjust?
Forsburn? more like Foreskin
>>503614458you’re not supposed to react, it’s rock paper scissors. you pick your option and commit to it.
>>503613324YepVoid going hog wild in that crew battle day 1 was also amazing.
why dont we just play slippi instead
>>503615273I cannot react to getting grabbed. By the time I input my option, I am already spummeled.It's RPS if you had 2/10 of a second to choose an option at semi-random intervals while you're in the middle of an unrelated task.
>>503615806I'm really feeling this. So sick of the dogshit game and faggy players.
>>503615806As someone who has only ever played Melee locally and last dabbled in online nearly a decade ago with Anther's Ladder; the thought has definitely crossed my mind lol
>>503615868i think you might just be cooked then bro. you have around 30 or so frames (half a second) from the start of the grab to the frame where the pummel comes out, it's very reactable. maybe you're just lacking the awareness to execute in-game and the delay between getting grabbed and recognizing that you CAN pummel break is what you're struggling with, not the reaction time. in that case, you'll get better at it with time.
>>503616826netplay falcos nowadays are pretty boring to play against. youll get bored like 10 matches in
Mang0's the most fun to watch and Marlon is a close second.It's really fucked how crappy the comp scene of this game seems alreadyI don't think the game needs a patch so quickly that isn't adding new characters, but man...I don't know.Just feels like there's a big Asterisk infront of all these tournaments that the most agreed number 1 can't do anything.
>>503553456You know I agree but you're wrong.Mang0 camps out people the same way PPMD used to do.He's by far the best in spacing, it's just people think Mang0 is super aggro cause he has by far, also, the best punish game in Melee. And for a bit before Pit Got buffed, in PM as well.Mang0 might say things should be more like melee, but mang0 does not play the game like it is melee. Or rather, how he usually plays melee.
>>503618508The macro I wrote specifies 225ms between the grab and spummel input. Grab has a 7f startup, roughly 115ms. Keep in mind, you're not reacting to the STARTUP of the grab animation, but rather, you are reacting to *being* grabbed. Clairen can buffer a spummel on frame one with 10f startup, and you have exactly an 8f (133ms) window after being grabbed to input a spummel cancel. The average human reaction time to visual stimulus is 250ms in most practical scenarios, and this is a general benchmark used in fighting game design. It can be lower for expected stimulus in certain scenarios, however if I was expecting a grab at any particular moment, I'd input a spot dodge before getting grabbed rather than a pummel cancel after getting grabbed.I've tested my reaction time and it's slightly below average, and I've trained for this particular input. My initial assessment a month ago was that it's a poorly designed mechanic that doesn't belong in the game at all, and now a month later my experience has only confirmed that.>skill issue Yeah ok. I'll go back to Melee.
>>503549052She cute.
>>503618537Hello there, person who doesn't play Melee!
>>503619087Cake v marlon is gonna be cool to see again. Cake was ridiculously dominant for years in RoA, and just now at LACS, but Marlon was looking untouchable until the tranny menace got him. We’re gonna have clash of the titans coming up soon.
>>503622568?
watching armadas stream and he complains every time he loses any interaction
>>503622949That seems to be every big smasher, mostly about specific characters. >I’m over it >fuck this game >this character is SO CARRIED And then they win a match and suddenly they’re happy again.
i always hear that fleet has polarizing matchups but what character does she not dominate with her insane aerial hit boxes, un-edgeguardable recovery and insanely safe and deep reach to edge guard other characters
>>503621462>poorly designed mechanic because i in particular cannot utilize my intuition to recognize when i've been grabbed and respond accordinglyyou are the first person i have ever met to struggle with pummel breaks, let alone think that reacting to getting grabbed is unreasonable. i feel for your situation if your reaction time is just that bad, but you still have 16 frames from when grab startup is over to when pummel startup begins and you still have the entirety of the pummel animation (10 frames) to input the break if your reaction is late. that's a 26 frame window all in all, and average human reaction time is something like 16. i have no clue where you got the idea that the input window for a break was only 8f long.
>>503625948Didn't read lol
>>503626040if you're not that anon then this post isn't for you.if you are, then stay bad lol idk
>>503626473Don't worry, R2 will always be a bad game. It will stay bad.
>>503625096Clairen I suppose? Though I've only ever seen Fleet beat Clairen, so I don't know. Fleet downplayers are insane. Remember the first week when we had Ranno downplayers and that one anon who would complain about Ranno's recovery multiple times every thread?Patch games are totally fucked, man.
>>503626786yeah no doubt, game sucks! waiting for dec 3rd for it to formally become a discord fighter because the patches will not deliver. just a shame you couldn't even be good at a kusoge with 7 sets of training wheels attached to it.
Kusoge is too high praise for R2.You zoomers need a new argument though. Responding to every criticism with "lol bad" is so boring.
>>503628058>Responding to every criticism with "lol bad" That's the resident thread schizo, they will quite literally do this all day, every day.
>>503589335rate and critique my fors chart
>>503628058>>503628540he gave me multiple reddit spaced paragraphs with misguided complaints, i responded to it explaining how the mechanic actually works and how it's very reactable by design. i'm pretty sure dan himself has said they made it a 16 frame window between grab end and pummel start in consideration of the average human reaction time. he simply shut down, said, "didn't read lol" and i'm the schizo? are you samefagging? what the fuck else am i supposed to say except "you're bad" when someone is blaming the game for their own shortcomings?
>>503629446Didn't read lol
>>503619087You forgot leffen
>>503622949he's just like me fr fr
>>503629247Kragg, Orcane and Wrastor up 1 and Zetter down 1.
What is a rival...? The gears of fate are turning! Gods wrath appears! Fight!
>>503630648I actually don't think Kragg is that bad for fors relatively. His advantage state against Kragg is particularly strong, confirms into combust or bair can counter Kraggs survivability. He also has the range to whiff punish fair/bair in neutral.I find Zetter's frame data much more oppressive even if you can edgeguard and zone him. And I just haven't played a good enough Orcane to know but yeah it's probably terrible
>>503631336>what is... Arrival?It’s a movie with Amy Adams!
What is a bible...?
>>503624740Yeah I get the feeling they just want to win everything for free without ever having to actually do or learn anything
i wonder how many times the average l*xodont player presses jab ftilt ftilt every matchtwenty six? seventy four?
>>503621462Forgot to add that the decision-making process in the prefrontal cortex adds more latency to the human element of this equation. Usually moves in the 250-333ms range are considered threshold reactable. 15-16f is the minimum reaction time, if you have a hard read on your opponent. 20-30f is a more widely accepted reaction window for general design use.Very rarely are there exceptions. Two that I know of are M2K and Wizzrobe, who have about 10f reaction speed.>who caresOnly someone interested in good game design.
rivals 2 is missing something and i cant quite put my finger on it. something that would allow for freedom of expression so every combo isnt exactly the same. maypul is like the only character that doesnt do the exact same thing every stock.
I'm sure glad they're gutting Orcane in the name of "interactivity" meanwhile faggot ass characters like Clairen have 0 whiff recovery on every move, absolutely never has to overextend, never is unsafe, and can combo the shit out of you off of every touch. Really fucking smart.Probably gonna drop this shit game when the patch drops. Fucking retarded.
>>503632697anon it's only the very first patch. no game (aside from melee) will get it right on the very first patch, give it time.
>>503632697>they're gutting OrcaneThis poor anon is going to drop the game because of Dan’s off handed comment and never see every other Orcane move get buffed. Sad.
>>503632849It just boggles my mind they would really nerf a low tier character this hard in the name of game health when there's so much other fuck shit in the game. I'm not dropping Orcane and if he's significantly worse I just won't play. >>503632997Well, the leaked patch notes are looking real with his comment. He will 100 percent be gutted if those changes happen. I don't even abuse the f air or anything, but the air stalling and side B nerf is so ridiculous.
>>503632849>thanks for the $30 here's a broken unfinished game with mtx>wait another year or two, it might get better or worse
>>503632072and that's why there's 10f of startup on the pummel animation itself to give you 26f total after getting grabbed to press your button. 33f if you include grab startup.
>>503633351Worthless reply, please don't type if you have nothing to contribute.
>>503632997go away rivalstranny
>>503633192fuck that whale, post-patch im lox dtilting him at ledge for free every single time
>>503633209$30 is a fair price for what the game provides on release and will provide later on for no extra charge
>>503633809No.
>>503633463explain in detail how it's worthless. im dumb as bricks so i need a lot of handholding. please attempt to look inward if you can't explain why your complaint has any validity whatsoever.
>>503632849yeah bro melee is a perfect game with no patches that's why wobbling is banned there's a ledge grab limithalf the roster is unplayable
>>503633192I'm honestly wondering if there are paid shills in this thread. These clowns keep putting a fake positive spin on every dogshit decision with this game like it's their job.Considering the kickstarter mostly funded DEI, streamers, tournaments, mtx implementation, it's not outside the realm of possibility.>>503634470Re-read my posts. The answer is there. Your good faith argument is not and you're only here to shit the place up, goodbye.
>>503634683melee is 10x more balanced than rivals 2
>>503632849Melee has characters that literally dont function like game and watch
>>503634892theres multiple grand master GnW one tricks on ranked. also there are many PRd GnW mains.
>>503632849>no game (aside from melee) will get it right on the very first patchI'm still amazed at how the Melee devs shit out "the perfect game" in 1 year. Imagine if Melee had been something like fucking Sm4sh instead. No one would ever be playing platform fighters anymore.
>>503635156Good for them. The character still doesn't function
>>503634798There wouldn't be any paid shills in a thread like this lol. People just like defending their hobby, it's fine. I do think you're overreacting with the pummel reaction time thing honestly. I can react just fine, and my reactions aren't really great. I do think the post-throw break is fucking retarded vs characters like Clairen though. Lots of shitty things in this game that I think need to be touched up on, and that's why it's so baffling to me that a low tier character like Orcane is getting smacked so hard.
>>503635156Least disingenuous melee player
I think Zetterburn should bang Artemis down the line and produce a reptile heir to Fire Empire.
>>503635280GnW is fine, he's just not a viable character. Every character does not need to be MAJOR TOURNAMENT viable.
LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE
>>503635280>Melee is such a good game that you can play character who "literally don't function" in MastersNow that's the sign of a good game.
>>503635445Now show me offline gnw results
>>503635523>d-d-doesn't count!!!!!!!!heh
>>503635523every character does not need to win a stacked major tournament in one of the hardest competitive games ever made to be considered viable.
>>503635442is that a bug
>>503635625They don't need to win. Just show me a single gnw in top 32 of a major
>that fucking forward tiltjust ranno things
>>503635871It's a hard game so the shitty characters aren't going to do well. I already told you he isn't major tournament viable, so whats the point in asking for offline results after I already told you he isnt tournament viable?
>>503635298>overreacting It's an analysis, and it's not for your benefit. I'm studying design for my own purposes.Whether you can or can't anticipate or react to a pummel isn't even the point of my post. it is inherently bad mechanic design on several levels. Frame data is only one layer.>my reactions aren't really great.Mine are, I'm primarily a reaction-based player in Melee. I study frame times and game mechanics in depth for a number of reasons.
>>503636207>he's viable, he just isn't viable
>>503636402Do you even go to major tournaments
>>503635943cancer shit
>>503635628It's a featurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu-fYs42yy0
>melee is bad because... game and watch isn't good Need I point you to the travesty of a title called Super Smash Brothers Ultimate?
>>503635943being under someone on a platform hasn’t really been an advantage state since shield dropping was normalized but the amount of times my moves just flat out lose to people swinging on a platform while I’m under them with moves that don’t even aim down is absurd
>>503625096anybody?
>>503637324Melee isn't bad. It's just not perfect like melee players want you to believe
>>503638957Melee is perfect.
>>503638957melee is perfect
>>503639041>>503639118go play it then
>>503639618ok
>>503634857lol no
>>503629930I don't think Leffen's fun to watch but he's not on the level of Marlon/cakeSorry anon.
Will rivalstrannies ever stop trying, unsuccessfully, to shit on Melee? There's a reason it's still played 20+ years later.
I never said melee was perfect in this post. >>503632849I was just saying the first patch was all it needed to be the best platform fighter. Yes, it would be nice if more of the characters were viable. Yes, some of the characters feel unfinished, but melee is still the best platform fighter and it didn't need a patch to be the best platform fighter.
>>503640653>I never said melee was perfect in this post.That was your first mistake.
>>503641094why is that a mistake
>>503640653It's not the best platform fighter. PM is better and more fun in every way
>>503640653rivals 1 is better
>>503641698only shitters think pm is better. pm is better to you because you werent good enough to compete in melee so you settled for the easier game where your boring melee mid tier is now a top tier
>>503641629Because Melee is perfect.
im so fucking bad
i have yet to see a rivals player make a single funny joke
>>503641960my main wasn't in melee
>balding on one sidewhat the hell?
>>503643665https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-_SSq9OpsU
>>503643665THE ELDEN RING LMAOOOOOHAHAHAHAHADID YOU SEE THAT?
>>503644192https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiLnhkpqjWY
Armada is streaming mariohttps://www.twitch.tv/armada247
is there a list of all the online tournaments yet?
>>503644000He's balding, and he combs it all over to one side, and the side it's combed over to appears to have more hair than it does.
>>503645530that's just some retarded vod stream. he really should stay with rivals though. he gets like 75-100 viewers when he plays mario.
>>503646881No, mario is a pretty good game.
>>503646881He gets 250-300 views when streaming mario, just not now because his general audience is currently interested in rivals 2.
>>503647547no he doesn'tand no one even cares. he just gets some sympathy viewers from old melee fans.
>>503648115Not true, I watch Armada for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw2SFzoD3OE
ABSABROS?????
Post your favorite Melee clipshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnJ7djr_hDc
>>503649835Please dont let her cloud be as oppressive! It was so hard to approach
>>503649835There's no way they're releasing Absa as part of the event, is there? I would love that so much. I would even forgive Dan temporarily if that patch sucks, as long as I can play Absa sooner.
>>503649857Savestate trooned out and became one of the worst "figures" (don't know what else to call this) in the community despite being retired
>>503651410Yeah I know, I misgendered him once during an OoT run lel.
>>503641960nigga u talk a big game for a shitter who goes 3-2 at big tournaments at absolute best. settle yourself.
Melee is better than PM, but PM is a very close second. If PM were inside of the Melee engine instead of the Brawl engine, I think PM would be better. Rivals 2 is a distant 3rd. I kinda want to go back and play Rivals 1 to see if it's better than Rivals 2.
>>503649835please I need to goon to her asap
>>503653292It goes Melee > R1 > PM > R2Melee and R1 are the good ones, PM and R2 should be aborted.That being said, R1 is a sideshow distraction at best. It's like the Mini-Me to Melee's Dr. Evil.
Imagine picking up a fighing game as someone who has never played them as a business venture https://x.com/ssbmhax/status/1861162641973989807?t=A2xpGCEPPuTHOHh8OwcUVA&s=19
>>503653292>>503654114I like all platform fighters except Multiversus. I'm like mew2king but not bald
>>503654853Not clicking your twitter link but that's clearly a Melee player's name in the hyperlink, so she'll do fine.
>>503654853Fun facts:When Hax's hand was injured, he picked up LoL for a few months. In that time, he was #1 ranked TF in NA.(Disclaimer: I've never played LoL and I don't know what TF is, but I heard that is really impressive.)He was also a top Pokemon TCG player at a young age. Picrel, Hax$ in 2006.Platfighters and trad FGs have a lot in common. He would do exceptionally well in just about any game he were to pick up. And everyone in his circle has been telling him to diversify like this for over 3 years now. He also happens to have a leverless controller company which is ripe to expand its customer base. He will do well. This is a very positive development for him.
>>503655847>He also happens to have a leverless controller company which is ripe to expand its customer base.Important to note is that Leffen is monetarily invested in a competing leverless controller company, which has reportedly stolen Hax's idea pretty much 1:1, and that this is likely why Hax is still banned from Melee everywhere.
>>503655559god that ugly fuck needs to shave
>>503655847hax played league for years he didnt just randomly start playing and get good
>>503656115The Frame1s don't even sell anymore because they're never in stock.F1 was always about ruining b0xx and never about making money. NPD is a sick and twisted thing.
>>503649835Flat-chested goatussy.
Wrastor is only """"hard"""" because his combo routes make no sense. What kind of abomination combos a dair that launches in into a bair that launches up?
Her chest isn't just flat it looks like a man's chest.
There is nothing better than a woman with a flat chest.
I miss when patch notes literally said Orcane is perfect.
>>503658169whenever i play an orcane i go out of my way to parry bubbles over and over again50% of the time being forced to play like a human being causes their brain to split in half
>>503658626Alright, so bubbles are very punishable as-is, we're in agreement.
>>503655779That's funny coming from a rivals player
>>503659391ye orcanes fine, but im biased since i play wrastor
Pity bump
>>503654853>>503655847Why would he not play rivals, the new game that’s almost identical to the one he’s good at, which has Ludwig currently pumping money into prize pools?
>>503667140Unironically, he's probably been scarred by Leffen's antics. And I do not doubt for a second that Leffen would try to do the same shit again.
>>503667140Ludwig is informally a part of the TO cabal that banned Hax.The Cheat and Ludwig are from the same scene, AZ. Several other influential community heads are a part of the clique as well. It'd be an awkward situation.
>>503654853>two people in the replies saying "Killer Instinct" and "Granblue"it's always sad when dead game mfers try to shout out their game when someone explicitly is looking for something mainstream/with prize pools
>>503668538But he considered strive
ultimate fucking sucks to watch bros
>>503670048Nah dude. Smash is sick. We all love watching the most popular iteration of Smash Broohers because it is so sick.
>>503670837everything after melee has sucked major, major dick smash-wise. PM excluded.
>>503671038That is the implication.
>>503671320im aware i just wanted to double down
>>503670048I fucking love NINTENDOOO
>>503670048im surprised people still play itwhats the appeal?
>>5036528453-2 is being extremely generous for anyone posting on 4chan
>>503674397It's on switch, mainly. Most ult players are younger than melee itself.But if we're trying to be fair, every smash game post-Brawl has had more of an emphasis on neutral and intentional movement. Some people like that.
>>503671320>insist on everyone having their pronouns visible, despite it being completely unnecessary for 95% of the player base >commentators still refer to almost every he/him as they >the only time they use the listed pronouns is when they don’t match the player’s biological sex Only by being incorrect 100% of the time can we be on the right side of history!
>>503675187>every smash game post-Brawl has had more of an emphasis on neutral and intentional movementthat's a good point, and most of the good smash clones are too focused on combo and movement-tism and i can see how to would turn off people that want a more brawl-like game
what in the unholy fuck are clairen's hitboxeswhy is forward aerial hitting me while i am above + behind herand TIPPERING
>>503675793literal 0 skill character, it's unrealno whiff recovery, no spacing needed, everything chains into something else, retarded recovery. i hate this character so much.
>>503676319>>503675793>0 skill characterThat's not Loxodont.
>>503677532Very observant
>>503649835chances of Absa being in the december 3rd patch?
>>503677532Lox is way less egregious than Clairen. You can actually punish some of the shit Lox does, you can actually whiff punish some of his moves. You can wavedash under his projectile and punish him if he does it braindead.Ranno, Wrastor and Clairen are some of the most braindead pieces of shit I've ever faced in any fighter ever.
>>50367792050%
>>5036779202%
>>503677951Wrastor is broken, but he is far from braindead. With just a few tweaks he'd be a very healthy top tier. I think the same for Fleet.The others and Kragg are just way too good for how simple they are.
>>503678019too low>>503677979reasonable
>>503678572We're not getting anyone until next year
>>503678854>4 new characters in 2024Ideally Absa, Slade, Sylvanos, Elliana.
>>503681093>He doesn't knowDan said that the 4 characters a year will follow the formula of: 2 characters are returning, 1 character is new but established, and 1 character is all new never before seen.
>>503681337Hm. Then it's Absa and Etalus, Slade and some new forest type.
Why does Forsburn lose all of his smoke when he dies but Kragg and Orcane don't lose their wall/rock and puddle?
>>503560506Northernlion hated dungeons of aether kekw
>>503683256Northernlion?
Sexy skins WHEN?
>>503683256what the fuyck is dungeons of aether
>>503684229Summer. Swimsuit skins.
>>503684357Given how booring clairen's is, I am not tholding my breath.
Guys, what if they add Link from Super Smash Bros Melee? What are the odds?
The December 3rd patch will save the game if they rework maypuls design and give her sex appeal.
>>503684770she is already so fucking hot so fuck off.
>>503682380It blows.
>lose first match>win second match but the set was close and fun>they quit back to match makingmany such cases !
>>503684770It is kinda funky to imagine clothless Wrastor or Maypul popping up in Tales or Dungeons style setup.
>>503684951She deserves a more feminine body
>>503685193do both of clairen's parents have carpel tunnel?
>POV: You are in the dolphin rape cave
No buffs, nerfs, or additional curves necessary.Simple as.
>>503678515Wrastor is a weird case where he's absolutely fucking braindead at around Platinum to lower Diamond, kinda like Clairen, except with the caveat that barely anyone plays him so no one ever gets used to his gimmicks. Wrastor is basically just air Clairen in terms of winning with only basic bitch spacing and fundamentals at that level, except instead of a sword, Wrastor abuses slipstream and tries to Jigglypuff you to death and hope you don't catch on to his billions of gimmicks.
>>503688123>his billions of gimmicks.is a combo flowchart a "billion gimmicks"? wrastor is rather straigthforward
>>503688054Why wouldn't you want additional curves? Are you a feralfag?
>>503688890I would say around that level, learning to fight against him isn't straightforward. He's the only multi-jump character in the game and while he has a few similarities to Jigglypuff, he has enough that you don't really fight them the same way. Side B alone can be a nightmare around that level because it's fast, has hitstun and speeds him up a ton. It isn't just learning to DI against him, which can be tough already. It's also his special pummel which people forget exists around them, Dthrow and Bthrow, and just having to get used to a pacing that no other character really plays.
>>503689576What's that?
>>503693896uhh nevermind
So perfect wife.
I did it, I uninstalled the game.I'm free...
>>503697931>Untitled92
>>503698417See you on december 3rd
WHEN?
>>503670048Yeah. It causes me physical pain. I miss the early days of the game.
played for 5 hours straight and my hands are absolutely fried, how do you guys do it
>>503701052https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiRC80FJbHU
https://youtu.be/vd8nDhDn0JU?t=926defend this rivalstrannies
>>503702185Kragg NEEDS a good recovery
>>503701052
2 pillars per stock maximumlanding on his pillar doesnt give him his double jump backno armor on side bthere i fixed kragg
>>503702540you didn't fix him you made him uselessmight as well say "kragg goes into freefall if sent offstage"
>>503702662i wasnt aware every other character is useless because they cant double jump up b and double jump again back to stage
>>503702708every other character has these magic things on their recoveries called *hitboxes*
>>503702708baited absolutely no one award
>>503702767we all know zetterburns recovery is strong because of the hitboxlol
>>503702856damn bro the goalpost isn't even on the field anymore
>>503702885genuine question what do you think would be a stronger recoveryzetterburns up b or 2 extra jumps
>>503703014>he thinks i'm engaging with his moved goalpostlol
>>503703208dont worry i lied it was a rhetorical question, everybody knows 2 jumps would be vastly better than zetterburns up bthe actual interesting question is whether just 1 extra jump would be stronger than zetterburns up b
>>503702540Hearing people new to the series try to make balance suggestions is really fucking funny because it's always absurd and just results in making entire moves completely useless. "remove side b armor"? all it sounds like is bro got 2-0'd and refuses to touch his parry button.
>>503703825are you really so retarded that you think im referring to some sort of bronze on stage approaching side blol
>>503704086Yes I do because you said "remove side b armor" instead of "remove side b armor while in the air".
>>503704245in general moves should operate in the same way in all situations otherwise your game becomes an unintuitive mess
funny thing is zetter does have two double jumps per air time lol...
>>503704316I dunno man. Pressing the attack button on the ground results in a jab but in the air it results in a nair, and people seem to have intuited that. So clearly air/ground moves being different is not off the table. Just make the Kragg air ball visual slightly different if you must.
>>503704447what a retarded response, when i change character and press the attack button a different move happens too
>>503704570*tilts out of dash*
>>503704316>in general moves should operate in the same way in all situations otherwise your game becomes an unintuitive messEven Smash 64 and Melee had some specials that were different in the air, so your point is very silly.
>>503643665That's what happens when your scene is le wholesome Corporate Memphis approved. Do anything outside of the borg hivemind approved safe humor and you're canceled.
>>503705558"in general" was an intentional use of language, it isnt a problem for specific moves to behave unintuitively like that but it absolutely should not be common and in todays world where game design is no longer complete guesswork you should have a really good reason to make a move act out of the normi dont think, in this hypothetical, it would be important enough for kraggs side b to retain its grounded armor
>>503706245I think the philosophy of "grounded/air moves shouldn't be totally useless" is more important than "moves should not have any non-obvious difference between ground and air versions".
>>503706367well youre going to find that philosophy impossible to fulfill compared to minehow do you make clairens grounded neutral b not totally useless without completely altering the move compared to its currently useful aerial version
>>503706528Good question. It could have more utility, like Johnny's mist finer. Let her do little dashes, or angle it on the ground (but at sharper angles than her air version)
I did it I got plat on pre-patch Lox. Anyway now that I'm in the top 5% of the player base:Kragg = carried Fleet = carried, and you're a gay bitch Clairen = carried but only out of silver (seriously way too few gold Clairens used down B to punish my meatballs or anything, like a bunch didn't press it at all) Ranno = gay bitch reliant on an unfair advantage due to the relative strength of their character Maypul = rare but BM every timeWrastor = rare but based every time Orcane = gay bitch coprophiliac Zetterburn = retards only know fireball spam and down air, good ones will incorporate shine Forsburn = either gay side smash spam or based as fuckLox mirror = free as fuck fodder or complete shitshow where we go 1 for 1 and compete to do retarded shit off stage
What people think the patch is gonna be:>All the egregious counter pick stages are shrunk, and stages like Hyperborean Harbor and Air Armada are reworked to be less toxic>Ranno, Fleet, Kragg, and Wrastor all gutted >Fors and Lox gigabuffed >Aerials have more hitstun on shield allowing you to do dash away mind games that beat shield grab if the aerial was performed late on shield >recoveries universally toned down to be on the same level as Zetter and Fors>The leak about parrying fireballs being easier is true>Frame advantage display option in training mode>Replays fixed>Absa released >Marlon pardoned>Everyone who bought the game gets mailed a BJ coupon that can be redeemed at the next Rivals super major In reality it's gonna be:>Ranno's bair has 1 frame more of landing lag and fair has .01% less knockback growth>Kragg's pillarless up b and rollout cancel go less far>Fleet doesn't get her float back when she grabs the ledge and her up b goes less high>wrastor? He's fine! >Forsburn can crouch in smoke without revealing himself now>Lox's bair has .01% more knockbackRip Rivals 2. Killed in the cradle by incompetent devs.
will the patch fix the game?
>>503706706every move isnt going to be useful, it’s just a factkraggs side b barely is, the point of nerfing it isn’t that it’s a routine part of his recovery it’s that it’s just another niche option he has at his disposal when he doesn’t need more options
>>5037073861 patch wont solve everything.
>>503707386The patch will be enough to keep the Melee tards around but not enough to quell their endless bitching.
>>503707386no, aerial based aggression on shield will still be garbage and recoveries will still be way too good
>>503707515that wont stop 40% of the playerbase from quitting when it doesnt fix everything
>>503707261I'm not even carried, I'm bronze
>>503707261>thinking wrastor is basedt. closeted wrastor mainIf you were a real Lox main you'd hate how that faggot kills you every time you are off stage and it's impossible to get out of his never ending combos and when it's your turn to combo you get 2 hits max because he's a floaty faggot.
>>503707769Buddy I wish they'd quit but they never will. Just these empty threats.
>>503707769Okay? I don't care much about meleefags returning to melee. I never expected such "people" to be pleased enough to stay with the game.
Of all the character's I have messed with Lox undeniably feels like he's the best at approaching because of that giant fuck you forward air, and the subsequent walling tilts and jabs you can put out after whiffing it coupled with vertical meatballs that make the opponent freeze up. I think if he just had slightly better kill power I could do work with him.
>>503707847yeah but at least they fucking approach and actually die to eating up or down smashes unlike most characters who take forever to kill off the top, don't need more than 2 hit combos
>>503707386Regardless, no amount of patches will stop Leffen from making excuses. He will continue to lose to players better than him, and blame the game's design for not appealing to his specific set of skills.
Was Orcane's side b play tested? Were they really like: >well yeah, it's fox illusion, but impossible to hit even if you read the timing and length he chose, with half the lag! Fuck offfffff This game deserves death
>>503716373Much weaker than RoA1 and then it was crap for anything but recovery. Skill issue.
>>503715302Cute female (born male) goat!
im quitting this shitty fucking genre
>>503723571Take a break and come back refreshed and ready to improve!!
reminder rivals 2 has nothing on the horrible matchup jank of melee
>>503729320Can't say I know much about the DK vs Yoshi match up lmao, but melee still clears because people die when they are killed in that game.
>>503729320So... this is what the meleebabbies want Rivals to be...
>>503729320does dk have free re-grab after yoshi mash out or something?
lox players are the real problem here
Do I really have to wait until summer for Slade?!
>>503736542source????
>>503733601>stands under platforms jabbing the air until someone approaches What do you mean?>throws out massive strongs with lingering hitboxes that make them impossible to punish This character is honest and based.>spams up airs and forward airs to wall out any sort of aerial approach In fact, he needs buffs! He can't even kill!>kills you at 80 with back air
>>503729320this never happens to amsa for a reason
>>503739379>>kills you at 80 with back airGod I wish. You can DI that as poorly as possible and still live at like 110. You act like it's Wrastor's up B.
>>503739379Bro the jab/ftilt is so laggy either jump in and punish or shield it and play the situation afterwards where you are always + frames.
>>503740339Bull. I've died to it at 70 before with bad DI due to not expecting it.>>503741246>jump inIf only he had several options for countering jump ins!>shield itIf only he had the longest grab range in the game on top of a dashing command grab!Wait...
>>503741484His options to counter jumps in are also commital. Up tilt is very punishable on whiff, same with his aerials and fireball. They're also all slow, so he needs to read your approach and use them preemptively.Obviously you can be punished for trying to shield his ftilt but it's still worth doing because the situation afterwards is always in your favor and it pressures lox to stop ftilting. You either get a free shield grab/aerial, or lox is forced to scrap with his mediocre frame data.
>>503743163>His options to counter jumps in are also commitalNo more landing lag than most any other character.>Up tilt is very punishable on whiffIt only has one more frame of recovery than Clairen's infamous up tilt.
>>503743601Clairen's uptilt is one of her most punishable moves. The problem with clairen is her dtilt, jab and aerials not uptilt.
>>503744553>multi track downplaying!
buff zetter
>>503744670Clairen shits on my main forsburn. She needs nerfs but not to her uptilt.
tranny lover is now ranked 1
>>503748094im glad rivals 1 players are finally starting to play ranked, dunno what took them so long
>>503748094damn boiko really tanked his rank LOL
>>503744553>one of her most punishable moves>still neigh unpunishable unless you're clinically retardedyes that is the issue here, isn't it?
>>503748094Really? Why?
>>503729320clairen is as bad for fleet as dk is for yoshi in this
There are no fun characters in Rivals 2, and here's why: >ZetterIt's actually laughable people compare this character to fox or falco. He runs at 1 mph, has no range, and zero neutral presence. His shine gets floor hugged and amsah teched until 300% or possibly higher. This tard character has more in common with Mario than a Space Animal.>ClairenHer canned throw 50/50 is so brain dead and soulless I actually feel bad for my opponent. Her time stop tipper BS is really fucking unfun and unintuitive to learn. Ends up being a lab rat flowchart character the higher up you get with her. >RannoSheik, but somehow even less fun and more brain dead. >fleetBoring, over tuned float character. Pass. >Orcane>MaypulBoth gimmicky bitches built around being annoying as possible. Not fun to pilot.>KraggI don't even need to say anything. >WrastorBoring, lab rat, flowchart spamming character.We now enter into our almost enjoyable to play zone:>ForsMaybe if he actually got something off his fucking throw. Maybe if his clone pops were actually threatening. Maybe if it didn't take 20 minutes to huff smoke. Maybe if everyone else had a recovery as fair as his.>LoxMaybe if he actually had the kill potential of the other heavy, Kragg. Maybe if up air had a sweet spot on the middle of the swing instead of behind him. Maybe if Hyperborean Harbor got deleted. Maybe if the top tiers got nerfed.I'd be embarrassed to launch a game with such a dismal roster. Like you have to be actual faggot to have a character you enjoy playing because they all suck so much.
>>503755327what do you mean why? he's a nigger that wants to fuck trannies. i'm guessing his """""gf""""" is a tranny so he probably actively is fucking trannies.
>>503755782Real roasties fucking suck. Gock havers are actually enjoyable to be around because they have a male brain.
>>503755923you were groomed, most likely by a rivals 1 player
>>503755782his current tranny gf is most likely going to twitlonger him in a few years and get him cancelled again
>>503757110he's already lovebombing her on xitter and steam. doomed relationshit
>>503755430orcane is dope tho
>>503757239when will they learn..
>>503756815No, I didn't play Rivals 1 I played Real Life. Women fucking suck and this has nothing to do with grooming or anything like that, schizo simp. Lox main B T W.
women freaking rule dude i freaking love boobies
>>503758245NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT SAY THAT YOURE SUPPOSED TO BE A FAILURE INCEL WHO EVENTUALLY TURNS TO MEN DRESSED AS WOMEN LIKE THE REST OF US CHASER"CHADS"
>>503758569mang0 nation? our response? melee chuds?
how do I deal with edgeguarding?
mang0 nation? how are we dealing with leffen and the tranny scourge? bidet bros?
>>503758869mixup your recoveries
marlon just tweeted.
>>503759015Gotta watch the eagles game
>>503759593He just said XY till I die.What could that mean...?
>>503758569Seething Ranno main still loses even when he tryhards and plays on-meta. Pathetic.
>the best rivals 2 player becomes a streamer>take interest, tune into stream>its just marlon in a discord call with like 4 of his retarded zoomer mutt friends who do 90% of the talking while marlon just sits there and plays>they even read his chat for him and answer questions themselves while still being loud obnoxious zoomersyep... time to watch on mute
>>503760927the first marlon stream I saw was ok but then the next one had even more of his loud obnoxious zoomtard friends and yeah its borderline unwatchable
>>503760927>>503761073Does Zeebee stream?
>>503729320skill issue
>>503761487>thing happen in rivals 2>ermmm skill issue! just play better xD>thing happen in melee>OMG THIS GAME IS SOOO BAD AND FLAWED RIVALS 2 BETTERwhy are they like this?
>>503761828no idea what this post means. melee lost.
>>503761950Rivals 2 is currently flatlining. We'll see if the December patch is enough to bring it back. I'm not feeling so good personally.
jbone just went live. get in the chat.
Reminder that Joey and Mang0 are anti-white.
>>503761828I love melee and rivals, but it’s kinda humorous to see people complain about slightly bad matchups while pointing to a game where half the characters are just accepted to be unplayable at a tournament level.
>>503762745Always weird to hear mango complaining about White people considering he’s completely indistinguishable from one. My man is the palest Marquez who ever lived.
>>503763050And he also fucks a white women every night.
>>503763050>>503763232>mango talking about how he knocked up a white girl with blue eyes to give his son the best chance at success
>>503762751melee :D
>>503761950melee :D
>>503763881You look like this -> :D
>>503761342extremely rarely so not really
Marlon had like 500 People watching before he got tranny canceled.Now he's got like 15.That's fucked.
>>503767008People who were only there for the release hype are gone. That's not a bad thing though rivals 1 had a small dedicated community
>>503768101You're most likely right but he would have had more people I feel.Could have grown if not for what happened.
>>503768101>That's not a bad thing thoughThen why does your dev pay people to play the game? lmao
>>503770576not every game can be as big as smashy bros. rivals 2 is already significantly more popular than 1
>>503771001.... because people are paid to play the game.
>>503772520the cope
Which do you think Dan wants? A bigger community or a smaller community? Rivals 1 fans seems to all prefer a smaller community for rivals 2 and I'm sure Dan wouldn't want that for his game
>>503775035He wants you to buy his skins.
Loxodont match upsvs Fleet: 1-9. vs Ranno: 2-8. vs Kragg: 2-9vs Wrastor: 3-7vs Orcane: 3-7vs Clarien: 3-7 vs Forsburn: 4-6vs Zetterburn: 4-6vs Lox: 5-5vs Maypul: 6-4Maypul is your best match up, Fleet is your worst. Honestly was tempted to put it as a 0-10.
Kusi really is the best wrastor player, shame he got banned and now cake gets free tourney wins.
>>503774341cope is a cope
why did they forget to give zetterburn a neutral game
>>503775354>Maypul is your best match uplmao
>>503776750seethe
>>503772520They have to pay people to play. All it takes is 30 mins or so in-game to remember that it isn't fun.
what is the point of jabs if my opponent can just hold down + shield and get out of them for free
>>503777465>not exclusively using grabs from 0%-50%Are you not playing rivals 2?
>there is an Etalus folder in the Rivals 2 directory>people think Absa is nextretards
plups maypul is already better than the rivals1 maypuls who has been playing her for more than half a decade
>>503778032But Etalus is cringe.
>>503778032Where do you see this?
>>503778356Gamer genes.
>>503779061Melee skill
>>503779202idk if thats true because amsa is basically high plat/diamond level and hes been grinding longer than plup
>>503779313That's why aMSa won LACS
>>503766904What’s his twitch? I feel like a Kragg known for being goofy and trolly could clean up.
>>503780023Who?
>try to make zetter a rushdown character>accidentally make his frame data as bad as heaviesWhat did they mean by this?
Its absover
>>503780903Yeah it's about time we buff Maypul.
>>503780903why are we downplaying this character so much
>>503781524Because the GOAT plays him and is not performing well/
>>503781524It's not "we", it's literally one guy.>>503781613sorry about your GOAT cookie that isn't getting in the game
>>503781524He has to work harder than the top tiers of this patch. I stopped playing him in favor of Wrastor and the sky has never been bluer. Inshallah the bird will dodge major nerfs because he needs a modicum of practice to make degenerate.
>>503781897>He has to work harder than the top tiers of this patchIsn't that true for every character but kragg?
>>503781986imo Kragg >>> Ranno >> fleet > wrastor in terms of how much glue people can eat and still win with them
>>503781897>He has to work harder waveshine twerking on everyone's shsield isn't hard. choosing one of 10 zillion confirms isn't hard.Allow me to hold your hand while you learn the basics about your baby's-first-spacie character.https://rivals.academy/lectures/shine-upstrong/
>>503782313Yeah feels that way
>>503781986Compared to Ranno, Kragg, Wrastor, and Fleet, Zetter has to actually press forward to accomplish anything. All of these characters can more or less rub their asshole under side platform, call it neutral, and punish you for having the audacity of contesting it. The degree at which they can do this varies, and I personally don't like playing like this outside of ranked, but its really fucking strong. >>503782459yeah, baby mode shine upsmash is genuinely more effort than most of the shit top tiers need to kill youhe also sucks dick at taking stocks from opponents in the airstrong hit forward air isn't exactly inconsistent but its not exactly guaranteed either and other characters have better optionssweetspot up air is a joke for a kill move and flat out ends combos outside of thatlike he's nowhere near bad but certainly outclassed
>>503782870>yeah, baby mode shine upsmash is genuinely more effort than most of the shit top tiers need to kill you>switches to WrastorYou're a joke dude.
>>503782954nigga im going to parry rest you and fair wall of pain youWrastor is more awkward and unconventional than he is outright difficult
My roommate says Loxodont hard counters Clarien, how do I defend my elephant honor against his dishonorable tipper propaganda?
>>503782870Yeah, he's not outright bad like lox or fors but there's no reason to pick him when the other top tiers do what he does better
>plup beating soulrifle on a dog shit serverhe's a threat
>>503783249Tell him that you both play easy baby characters and neither of you know what you're talking about.
>>503782954Zetter requires:above 95% (and) on fire (and) sweet spot nair uair (OR) fthrow on the edge (OR) DI read/reaction smash attack combo confirmKragg requiresliterally any button you can pressRanno requiresliterally any button you can pressWrastorliterally any button you can press unless the opponent is above 150% HP and all your confirms don't link because the enemy gets sent too far away :^)
my completely speculative dec. 3rd predictions:>kragg is nerfed, but not nerfed enough>ranno is over-nerfed, his mediocre MUs become unbearably bad>orcane's bubbles are nerfed, people claim he's unplayable but he's actually fine>lox is over-buffed, but still not a top character
>>503783427>only 13 loxodont players in masters>175 clariens in masters>baby charactersI don't think you know what you're talking about
>>503783801not him but clairen is a n00bstomper character
>>503783697I just hope they nerf fair. Like why is a kill move that fast and huge so safe???
i like plup because he's very positive about other platform fighters and accepts that they're different gameswelcome back from india :))
My Dec 3 predictions:>it doesn't matter because POE2 releases on the 6th
>>503784604i believe you mean that half of poe2 releases on the 6th
Revised.Gameplan simplicity is weighted more than technical execution, because most inputs are dead easy with practice, and grinding tech in training mode is easier than mental adaptation at high levels.
>>503784796>orcane>needs brainsi'm not reading the rest, i'm sorry
>>503785096>can't parry>can't readstay bubblebuttblasted
>favorite characters in RoA are Kragg and ranno>apparently, they’re OP as fuck currently?>I’m abroad and won’t get back home to play until after the patch hits Welp.
>>503784796Fors gameplan consists of pressing backwards and then Fsmashingsometimes he needs to full hop into an aerial or even combo out of fair and uair
>>503785546Hello bronzie, enjoy your stay.
>>503785492hello mew2king
>>503785645Hi.
>>503785619alright dawg, im just saying to keep this in mind next time a Fors is kicking your ass
>>503785492m2k, are you still in africa?
>>503785730With what, dashback fstrong? Do you know about CC?
>>503785848>implying cc invalidates backdash f strongyou sure im the bronze player here?
>>503785932You can CC 1st hit well into 200%.
>>503786003it doesn't invalidate the move broits far away from op but you're an idiot if you think all the shit it can lead to is invalidated by cc
what elo does masteres start at
>>503786178It doesn't lead to anything if you CC except for a punish against Fors. Go away loser.
>>5037862541500
>>503786320i can only hope you learn how to play your own main anon
>>503786501Why are you still typing. Go walk into fstrong and cry about it lel.
Buff Zetterburn and this game will be good
>>503787943i unironically think removing up airs sweetspot would buff zetterburn
https://rivals-of-aether-ii-launch.nolt.io/1521Vote and make sure the team addresses this extremely important issue. We must hold them accountable.
>>503788631https://rivals-of-aether-ii-launch.nolt.io/577This is arguably more important
>>503789016You don't deserve votes.
>>503788631im going to give you lots of updoots on vpns, this is important
the neutral rock wall breeds makes me want to puke
>>503791001epic pro tip: shield underneath Kragg when he uses up b and you get put onto the pillar and you can act first to punish him
>>503791560how plus are ye?
>>503791671idk exactlyenough to always get a true grab, jab, or other fast move
>>503791560how does this situation even occur
>>503791560>>503791956I did this for an upB OoS kill just yesterday. It's pretty sick.
>>503784796>Orcane demands more brains than Wrastor>Loxodont demands more brains than Ranno or Kragg>Fleet not in carried-tierPut Clairen in bell curve median while you are at it.
>>503793028Fleet is ez for me. It's probably you.
>>503793324he's saying fleet is easy retard
>>503793587I'm saying she's ez to beat. He's saying Fleet players are carried. Retard.
>>503793324That's what "carried" means, slow-boy.
>>503793772I don't play Fleet lol, you guys are seriously bad at reading comprehension.
>>503793878ESL?
>>503793947Indeed, you are.
Have you guys noticed that Forsburn has actually really beautiful body? His twisting movements make him remind me of a roman sculpture. I am not gay, but I would bounce on my boy's dick without hesitation.
>>503784796FTFY
>>503794043I started playing him because he's a sexy bara yeen. I stayed because I could deceive people
Look at me.Look me dead in the eyes and tell me you wouldn't.I don't believe you.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate Forsburn's dewclaws please.
>>503794878>>503795454
>>503795454That's just a tuft of fur like what's on his arms. It's not even in the right place to be a dewclaw.
>>503796417>>503795454I think some artist just made a casual fucky wucky and mistook the canine heel bone for the thumb.
>>503739379you forgot>endlessly bitches and moans about balance while giving the absolute worst balance ideas
>>503797993>canine heel bone>Canideae>not Hyaenidae Wow and you call yourself a Forsburn appreciator?
Buffered inputs>Never know when moves end>Never know when the buffer begins>Moves come out delayed by several frames>Mash every input to guarantee it comes out on the first possible frame>Sometimes buffer eats your input anyway>unintuitive blending of inputs togetherUnbuffered inputs>Always know when moves end>Always know when actionable state begins>Moves come out as soon as the frame is rendered>Never mash inputs, only skill and precision is required>If you input before actionable, you always know exactly how and why your input was incorrect>Each input is independent and flows freely into the next
>>503799925>look mom i posted it againgo back (oh wait you can't)
>>503799925This desu
So buffered inputs have a higher skill ceiling? Interesting. No wonder meleefriends are struggling with this game, they're carried by no-buffer.
>>503800249When you have a 6-frame window on everything, nothing is impressive. Everything is cheese.
>>503800249baited absolutely no one award
>>503800585You can't post this cliche if the post above you- ah what am i saying, this is a bot.
>>503800858i have no idea what you're trying to say, nonny. just spit it out
How am I meant to beat Ranno as Zetterburn? He's just me but with more range, speed, and actual recovery. Also if I get sent offstage at any point he has three lingering aerials that beat my up special for free.
>>503802627wait for patch
i want to play more wrastor but it feels like all my combos and followups are mere accidents and nothing is ever set in stone
>>503802771But moooom, I wanna play noooow!
>>503802627the only thing i can think of is to play super lame and just try and wall him out with fireballs and take advantage of his low air speed and punish his approaches when he gets too friskybut idk
>>503804013Fireballs don't do much, they lose to 99% of attacks and are pretty easy to parry on reaction. And focusing on air combat isn't gonna do much for me when all of his aerials are faster + longer ranged + longer lasting than mine.
>>503802627Use grounded down special. Rannos cannot help but run into the fire.
>rarely played fighting games>never played melee or clones>play against AI until can beat higher tier difficulties reliably>try to matchmake in "casual">takes fucking forever>open up regions>finally get one match>go against a zetterburn with practically this experience:>>503729320
>>503802825This is called DI
>>503805213play vs me beastars bro I'm not good
>>503805213Releasing the game in it's current state, without in-game tutorials and guides was a mistake. Pretty much the only players still playing already have years of platfighter experience
>>503794878If there isn't a swim briefs Forsburn in the summer skins, I will be disappointed.
>fight kragg>he lives to 215>die at 60yeah this seems fine
>>503804676Oh yeah, that 5% damage is gonna end his whole stock.
>>503805981I don't have any problems with Ranno and I play around the down special fire a lot. So it's a you problem I'm afraid.
lol
i think people are putting too much faith in this patch
>>503805343yeah but it feels like they can just jump or nair or airdodge out of all my follow ups regardless of if i chase the di right
>>503807462>>503807134the game is literally going to live or die by its first patchmodern fighting game players are insane
>>503807134>>503807462you can tell none of these people have read any of the beta patchnotes lmao>>503807717the patch can be nothing and these meleefags will still be playing it
>>503807769the narrative timeline>before the game releasedheh... meleefags will never play a game that isnt melee>game releasesheh... theyll all be gone in a month. theyre just playing it because its new and will leave because it isnt melee.>nowdoesnt matter what happens this patch. theyll all still come back anyways.why is this happening?
>>5038079584chan is not one person
>>503808057everyone is saying exactly what you're saying here>the patch can be nothing and these meleefags will still be playing itim seeing it in this general and in /v/ threads. a few weeks ago everyone was saying meleefags will go back to melee. i did not see a single person say otherwise during each point in time. people are clearly sharing the same opinions and they all collectively change to the next opinion later on.
>>503806956Sounds more like a "you're in shitter elo" problem.
>>503808219read the thread there's plenty of patch-or-death fags like you >>503552692 >>503581390 >>503762489>>503808438dismissing all advice out of hand like "hurr it's only 5% i cannot see the bigger picture" is shitter behavior. you didn't even try it out, you just immediately reply with "Uh dude I want a silver bullet ez answer, not something that requires me experiment."
>>503808719Literally what is them walking into fire supposed to do for you? One attack is going to deal way more than that will. Are the Rannos you fight also retarded enough to walk into your strong attacks? Or do they just catch on fire and immediately suicide?
zetter up strong hitboxes are so strangesometimes it whiffs when i feel like it should've hit, other times... this happens
>>503808835put it into practice. alter your playstyle and you'll see for yourself. DoT is a powerful tool even without considering the buff it gives to his strongs
>>503809283"Just try it" is not an answer to my question. I already regularly put down fire any time they're offstage, because I sure as fuck can't edgeguard. It doesn't help the situation.
>>503809472>offstageno, start using it in neutral. condition them with fireballs and then you can get away with the grounded downspecials.
>>503809884>use a move with 32 frames of recovery and hope they just kinda stand still watching you do thatOh, so you're just plain retarded. Should have said that to begin with.>condition them with fireballsDo you think fireball is a feared projectile or something?
>>503810078replying to me isn't going to improve your zetter. i know this is a fun way to vent but it's not helping.
>>503810169I'm aware that you aren't helping. That is quite possibly the most useless advice I've ever received. You may as well have told me to up special at him. Hell, that even has less lag.
>>503807717yeah it's kind of insane that a game seemingly NEEDS to be perfect within a month or two of its release in order for certain people to stick with it. i'm almost kinda put off by how "all or nothing" people are making this out to be for a game they agree is probably 80% really fucking good with solid future prospects and 20% unbearable in the present.
freshly baked thread >>503811761(don't tell anybody about the one messed up link)
>>503748094now he's over 2k and ahead by a loti'm guessing he still is the best
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>>503811160They took my money and delivered an inferior, unfinished product. I'd refund if I wasn't a homosexual furry.
>>503824487your cat smells bad and takes no skill
>>503824675no u
