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If rituals are so bad, how come every ritual deck that comes out is giga meta?
So, if everything non-Anime Deck flop, will Konami backtrack and print Anime card?
>>540013895There's been 4 meta Ritual decks in Nekroz, Mitsurugi, Voiceless Voice and Drytron
>>540013046As if the card quality ever matters for these anime sets. All they had to do was put somebody on the box that people give a fuck about (I.E. anybody that isn't from an anime post 5DS and is not some filler gag character). Put Judai on the fucking water set and put Jonouchi on the fire set. There I already doubled the sales.
>>540013958That’s more than Pendulum
ryzeal is giga cringe
>>540014280Vell and Common...
>>540014102Qli, PePe, Endymion, SHS, Melodious, Lunalight, PendMagicians, Dracoslayers, D/D, Metalfoes, Majespecters, etc
>>540014280Imagine their sex
OCG player here, what make Mitsurugi so good?Some tier list predict that it will become T1.
>>540014570Endymion, PendMagiciansMetal doesd/dHave never been metaAlso you can say any deck that has 2 pendulums in a deck full of non-pendulums as a pend deck, because that’s like saying Dragon Link or BA is ritual deck because they have rituals in in their archetype
>>540014863>OCG player>using T1 instead of S-A-B tier systemFake and gay
>>540013958Gishki bros...
>>540014863its a ritual deck with a good ritual spell and good ritual monsters
>>540015032D/D was meta in 2016 along with Blue eyes in OCGland.
>>540015050SEAniggers are all over this site in gacha generals, why wouldn't there be one here?Also I'm more used using tier rather than SAB, that's more a JP thing than SEA.>>540015115Does it brick often?Might pick it up if it's cheap (very likely since AE is also releasing Mitsurugi).
>>540014280BabyfurCHAD representation
>>540015032>PendMagiciansLiterally had to fucking ban Double Iris and Supreme King Starving Venom and hit Astrograph are you fucking retarded>D/DLiterally one of the posterchilds for meta OCG deck that got screwed by release orderYOU CAN LITERALLY GOOGLE YCS ENDYMION AND YCS METALFOES AND GET RESULTS
^ AI sloppa
>>540015298>Does it brick often?not really
>>540015298Brick like twice every 10 games or so
>>540014570Having a Pendulum and being a Pendulum deck are different things.SHS, Melodious and Lunalight are not Pendulum decks.
enneacraft support will make them meta simply trust the plan
I have higher hopes for hecahands
>>540014863Mitsurugi is a really powerful engine that a lot of decks can use to bolster their endboard especially since it lacks any sort of locks sans the Kaiju, but it also pretty powerful pure.Mitsurugi Ritual either tributes up to 2 Reptile monsters from Deck (so can't be Ashed) to summon a Reptile Ritual from hand, or tributes Reptiles from hand or field to Ritual Summon a Reptile from Deck, both effects usable in the turn.Mitsurugi Prayers a Quickplay can Rikka tribute a Reptile from hand or field to activate itself, then either summons a Mitsurugi from hand or GY, or searches a Mitsurugi from Deck, or both if you Rikkad it.Mitsurugi Mirror Ritual Summons one of three specifically named Rituals (for Pre-Prep) from hand or GY and shuffles itself back when a Reptile is tributed.Saji, Aramasa, and Kusanagi on Normal or Special or being tributed, search a Mitsurugi S/T, Monster, or adds a Mitsurugi card from GY or banishment respectively.Every Ritual monster upon being tributed adds a Mitsurugi card from Deck then can special itselfHabakiri once per duel Chaliceslimes a Mitsurugi monster then tributes any monster on your field.Murakumo on any special summon raigekis the opponent's field and on an opponent's effect activation, forces them to discard or negates that effect.That's basically the engine cards people typically run for Mitsurugi, a really tight 1 card resource loop that outputs a permanently annoying asshole that Raigekis and either discards or omninegates every turn.Cards more likely seen in pure areFutsu, a Ritual that on your opponent's special summon, summons any Reptile from GYGreat Purification, a trap that tributes a Level 5 or higher Reptile to omninegate and can banish itself to reborn any Reptile than tributes another monster on your fieldMagatama, a Quickplay which either tributes any monster on your field to Ritual Summon a Mitsurugi or tributes a Reptile to pop a card
>>540016556An uncontested Futsu is a cunt that will just keep bringing stuff back forever, so many scoops were had because people can't read and think the dude is once per turn.
>>540014863It's a 1 card combo deck that plusseslike crazy. 1 Prayers or Habakiri is full combo without any locks.
>>540016872Forgot to specify that Futsu is a once per chain summon, but yes.Also, another card more seen in Pure is Sacred Boundary, which grants the Rituals targeting protection against ED monsters, but more importantly, shuffles 4 Mitsurugi cards from the GY and then can make your oppone tribute a monster every turn ensuring basically an infinite loop, it's a deck that really forces you to OTK it immediately due to its nigh infinite followup potential.Here, MitsuRyzeal was the most successful variant due to both sides being able to bridge into the other, but Mitsurugi Maliss, Mitsurugi VS, and Mitsurugi Yummy were all side variants that saw success, Mitsurugi is a really effective engine into Mulcharmies or Maxx "C", because it can commit to its Murakumo or Futsu with Murakumo back up lines really efficiently, it blanks Shifter effects because Kusanagi retrieves from banishment and all the Rituals revive regardless of location, it only really finds Droll annoying but even that's not particularly delibitating if the Mitsurugi Ritual gets drolled
>>540016337Hecahands seems doomed to be turned into illusion/fusion slop.
>>540017409>>540016556What's the engine consisted of?3 Habakiri, 1 Murakumo, how many of the main deck monsters? How about the spells/rituals?
>>540017612>Chimeraslop
>>540017612More like doomed to drag them down with it.
>>540017612Just wait until the "Cyclops" (Eyeclops in the TCG) archetype shows up, then you won't be laughing
>>540017612konami seems to be incapable to let the chimera trash go and design a illusion archetype without it in mind
>>540018031Will Chimera be the nu-dinos?
>>540016337they also are very promisingalso one of the few decks where i can say that i hope they print another waifu for it, yadel is so sexy
>>540017918This is what the smallest Mitsurugi Package is sans the 2 copies of Ritual. Since Habakiri is insane, both Aramasa and Pre-Prep (into Mirror) are additional 1 card combos, admittedly Aramasa takes your Normal. You can also include shit like Futsu or Great Purification to your liking, even in Mitsurugi variants
>>5400179181 each of the maindeck level 4s.3 Prayers, 1 Ritual.Futsu is at 1 or 0, same with Mirror, depends on how big of a Mitsurugi engine you want to play. If you play Mirror you should play Pre-Prep.I like siding 1 Purification and 1 Wousu.
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>>540018436Oh yeah and you can play 1 Night Sword Serpent if you like, it's a free lv4 body so it fits right into Ryzeal variants.
>>540018251They aren’t promising in the slightest. They suck.
>>540018686God the GX and Zexal uniforms are so sexy
>>540018521I'm here if you want to do our duel Lynex
>>540018792
>>540018919This is slop right? If so, do her in the Zexal uniform.
>>540018798Yeah let's just get it over withI'm hosting
>>540019086I got it off of pixiv.
gg Lynex
Ggs unplayerShouldve practiced more with this deck but it is what it is
Do you need me to send the replays and score :^)no because I like actually forget to save them this time lmao
>>540018521>Vell & Commonsisters we are watching THIS duel
>2 extra BaldrakesWhy?
>SILENCE>you will sit there quietly and watch me play with myself for 30 minutes>once I finish you won't be able to do anythingdecks for this feel?
>>540023108Once you've been Baldraked twice, you'll never forget it.
>>540022919Who's stronger?
>>540023647common cuz he sometimes plays meta.vell just brings the same deck forever
>>540023161megalith
>>540023161There is no such thing because being able to play the game is a given right to all players
Noroi should come out sooner and kill Mitsurugi so no one has to main deck that jobber Droll.
>>540025679>Case>Get Droll’dAnon… that’s more of a reason to use Droll…
>>540023647Common is Vell's bitch
ITT: /dng/ creates new support cards for Charmers.
>>540026903New spiritual art cards for each girlSpiritual sex art where they have sex with the familiars
>>540026903Charmer continues to not be a deck, but six cards for each Attribute as either support or countersupport, so that would basically be a waste of time
>>540026903>Link-3>Banish 1 monster and 1 charmer, add a monster with the same type and attribute as one of the banished cards
>>540026903>contact fusion>reveal four of the charmers from hand or deck to summon
>>540026903>two new cardsOh boy, I wonder what it could be.I sure hope it's not Lyna and Dharc channelers, haha.
a good card should have>protection effect>quick effect destruction or negation
https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/genesys/?fbclid=Iwb21leAM-VUhjbGNrAz5VRGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEeSe2IgG2-vxTAAyR3wh671OJVP3HpRSxAd1-7EWk0l7QUasC2tLEbRNhgBUI_aem_2w1m-JHva4zTNiHPkEtJvQ
Divine Charmer SOON
>>540028089>alt format with card costs and no Pendulums or Linkswet dream for some folks here
Rape is no laughing matter..
>no pends or linksso this basically konami admitting that both summon mechanics were a mistake
>>540028089>pot of greed>30 points only
>>540028089The Genesys rules are simple: No Link Monsters or Pendulum Monsters are allowed. All other cards are allowed. The original field layout is used, with no Extra Monster Zones nor Pendulum Zones. The standard Forbidden & Limited Cards list is not used. All those cards can be used, except Link Monsters and Pendulum Monsters. Usual limit of 3 copies max of any card still applies. Deck construction uses a point system. Some cards are assigned a point value; most cards cost zero points. The total point cost of cards in your Main Deck, Extra Deck, and Side Deck (combined) cannot exceed the point cap for that event. The standard point cap is 100, but events can be run with any point cap, or even a zero-point cap! Official Tournament Stores can set their own caps for their tournaments. >what if unlimited format but no links or pends allowedlmao
why did they do this lmao
>>540026903Unironically just giving attribute a little pick me up consistency boost in the form of a charmer is way better than trying to Frankenstein a charmer deck from like 20 years of outdated "support".So yeah, they should keep doing what they've been doing.
>>540028965>maxx c>50 pointsformat is DoA
It's really fucking funny when a card game makes a format solely dedicated to excluding the summoning mechanic(s) nobody fucking likes
who would play thishow do you make sure everyone isn't cheating on the points at your locals or whatever without it being a pain in the asswhat a worthless format
>>540028089Of all the fucking ideas they could have used they went with one of the trashiest takes from reddit of all places...
>>540028089Already fucked up, those point are spread fucking randomly.
>>540026903the latest version of charmers discards attributes so the next evolution is going to be attribute circulars
this is some master duel garbage gimmick tier format shit
>>540029320>how do you make sure everyone isn't cheating on the points at your locals or whatever without it being a pain in the assThey have point checkers on the yugioh database infrastructure, so Neuron can probably handle that
>>540028089huh, actually interesting ideaalthough killing links and pends is a very epic
>>540028089So these retards have no idea how to manage their game do they? A points based system and lopping off two summoning mechanics doesn't help the game at all without a strictly limited cardpool curated for good gameplay. The problem with modern Yugioh isn't the end bosses, it's the extreme consistency and full redundancy of modern archetypes that break the limitations of cards as a resource. Being able to plus out the ass for activating a single named card is why the game sucks. Not because of the scary pendulums, links, or 100 point Abyss Dweller. And that doesn't even start to get into how impossible it is to actually play this format in a tournament environment without open decklists. Commaner Brackets work as an exclusionary soft ban card pool because it's a casual format where you can vibe with the table. This is asking for people to cheat and not get caught because the Yugioh experience is a saltfest of tryhards who don't understand playing a game for fun. What a fucking abortion.
>>540026903All I wanted was ED to 20. No one cares about more gimmick shit formats.
>>540029368Not really, you can see shit like Bahamut 81 and Toad 20 to prevent you from playing both, it looks like it's basically hitting a bunch of meta, tier 2 and below decks to try and curate a slower format
>floodgates, banned cards and ftk cards are 100 points>maxx c 50 points the fuck is this bullshitmaxx c should be 200 points due to being a turnskip
>>540029463I wish MD had thisplaying against maliss all the time is not fun.
i just wanted a RUSH port...>but muh cardboard printersa RUSH masterduel at least... just a way to play it officially in some capacity.
>>540029913rush is trash and not ygo
>>540029798They probably think it's not going to be a turnskip because the power level is limited by their retarded points allocation. It shows a level of misunderstanding of game design so profound that I can't believe it wasn't laughed down before the planning stages finished.
>>540029574except that it does massively address both power and consistency my mentally retarded friend, just based on a quick control+f skim you cant run the full swordsoul engine with 3 emergence for example if you actually plan to use ashuna or summon chixiao as well, or something like dark world has sillva at 100 and snoww at 33
>>540029798Ashes are 15 and Called By is 20, it seems to be a test run, I'd imagine they'd update the points to see how the format plays out
>>540029798the standard pointcap is 100, so you can only run 2 maxx Cs at most
>The standard point cap is 100, but events can be run with any point cap, or even a zero-point cap! Official Tournament Stores can set their own caps for their tournaments. people are just going to play this garbage at 0 point cap so they don't have to enforce and check every single deckthis is how it's going to be like in most locals
Maxx "C" format (like every format where it's legal in any capacity)
>>540029574>the extreme consistency and full redundancy of modern archetypes that break the limitations of cards as a resourceI don't think that is truly the problem. People like to play consistant decks, be able of doing something. The problem is the lack of limits, the capacity of doing way to much in a single turn, invalidating many forms of interactions that made the game dynamic. And thats were he true dilema appears: Should limits (in any way) actually exists? and would the game remain itself if they were instated?
Dragoon >100pPoG>30p?????????????????
>>540029157so by this I assume maxx c is better than pot of greed, pog should come back to one and maxx c should never be released in the tcg
>>540026903>quick-play spell>target 1 "Charmer" monster you control; Special Summon 1 monster with the same attribute as the target from either player's Extra Deck to your field, ignoring summoning conditions.
>>540026903more support for the secret tier 0 sword ryzeal synergy
>points is what konami thinks the powerlevel of a card is >maxx c 50 points>droll 7 points>dimension shifter 5 points>barrier statues 60 points>winda 60 pointshow the fuck are they this disconnected from their own card game
i think yugioh is fine as it isthere's no point in doing all these gimmicks and custom formats and shit
Good concept in theory but they made it so the point system results in a format that's barely any different than OCG.They wanna make a ballsy decision but they have no balls. Result is half assed pussyfooting garbage.
>Ancient Gears>Mikanko>Merlanteans>Voiceless Voice>Labrynth>Blackwing>Branded>Bystial>Centurion>Crystron>Danger>Diabellstar lore>Dinomorphia>Dracotail>Dragonmaid>Drytron>Ryzeal>Fire King>Floo>Gem-Knight>Gladiator Beasts>Dark World>Horus>Infernity>K9>Kashtira>Ishizu>Gimmick Puppets>Memento>Mitsurugi>Numeron>Frog>Tenpai>Swordsoul>ZoodiacThis seems like the list of substantially hit archetypes from first pass, admittedlt Danger is like single digit numbers more than anything
>>540028089>>540029003>>540029574Instead of giving you full arts and fixing the game they just made an imaginary format
>>540030342You're wrong but you're almost over the target. The limit that allowed the game to be understandable and enjoyable for over a decade was card economy. Going plus used to be rare, heavily limited in deck construction, or have some kind of downside. Stratos was one of the best cards in every format he was available in just because he could find a replacement card on summon, even when that replacement wasn't going to cause a chain reaction of searches and summons. Cards didn't need to be searchable to be worth playing outside of the context of being playable in your opening five going second. Again, going plus for free killed the balance of the game.
Gensys format is just going to be Djin lock turbo though.
geargiabros it's our fucking time
>full arts
>>540029854I wouldn't call this a less complicated format.It's just as complicated gameplay wise and deck building wise it's even more complicated.This won't be bringing any new Timmies lmao
>>540031081> Diabellstar loreWhite Forest basically uses just fusion and synchro
Potentialdragon, cut for Saryuja
>>540028089>Kashtira Arise-Heart 97
>>540031394Also Fiendsmith which can't be played.
>>540031386They took the game changer system from Commander and made it infinitely more complicated.
>>540031492i am fairly sure all the cards that aren't mentioned are at 0 points
Maxx sneed costs 50 points
>>540031672You can't link summon though.
>>540031081so i can still play skull servants with two grass
Oh look, a format where trap decks get raped by combo decksLike every other format keeeek
>>540031713still good enoughengraver is bullshit on its own >light fiend rota searcher that is also an extender
>>540031137The balance of the game is fucked, yes. But now that we are here, what do we do? It is not feasible to try to return to the old card economy, so we have to build something from this point, obviously putting an emphasis in not making the balance go worst. Genesys seems to be a starting point: a new format that tries to reblnce things altough in not the most efficient way. So what would be the efficient way?
Watch Maxx C not even be the problem as a tier 0 deck foregos for a bullshit turnskip play
>>540031081>no Lunalight hitsUhhhh Tewart this format is gonna just be Tier 0 Lunalights like Common Charity
genesys seems like a nice take on a unlimited format that isn't completely onesided in favor of tearshit
triple ash + triple imperm = 90 points
>>540031870Create a new format with a default blacklist with a curated whitelist that only supports the kind of gameplay balance that feels right. Same idea as a cube.
So this confirms that Konami believes that Links and Pendulums are killing the game, despite the fact that Pends don't fucking do shit and the only good link deck is Maliss which is basically just Cyberse slop. And frankly the one good pay-off for link spam has been dead and buried for months now. So I really don't understand why you would bar these two mechanics from the game, other than it causing a melty for casualkeks but at that point you should also kill synchros and xyzs.
>TCGcucks are running away to another alternative format againWEAK WEAK WEAK
Shifter costs 5 points lol
>>540032214No one's playing this garbage retard
>>540032078>no Vanquish Soul hits>+ those weak ass K9 hitsYeah this format might need some more hits
>>540032163It's a nonsense rule that feels like it's designed for casual sloppers who will be hard blocked by the points system being more complicated than the banlist.
>>540032269>Check floo hitsDamn we almost had Bird format again.
i actually thing the format idea is very interestingwould anyone join a tournament of this if i hosted it
damn red lotus is 50 points
Why is it so hard to have a good Rank 8 beatstick?
MBT and a discord of trannies made a better alt format than this for free.
Runick costs zero points to play
>>540032697Which one? He did that GX format and his own custom banlist that had Salad tier 0.
>misc 75 points>mistu cards at 60 points>norden 91 pointsmeanwhile>ryzeal cards 20-25 points>snakeshit at 5 points>charmies 5-10this point distribution seems so outdated
The obvious theory behind this format is that Time Wizard was a success so they want to try and make a lower power format newcomers or people that felt modern Yugioh was too fast can get into that they can actually make money off of since you can't exactly continually profit off Edison foreverBut no really they do kinda need to hit VS and Lunalight they just flat out forgot lmao
>>540032487>who will be hard blocked by the points system being more complicated than the banlist.except its not complicated at all if you can count to 100, especially with automatic calculators showing you whether or not your deck is going over the limit
It's funny Konami would make a list with those points because its just definitive proof that they know the exact cards that are a problem with the game (outside of Links and Pendulums which aren't listed because they are all banned).Like every single fucking card on that list should be hit in some way, but isn't for some reason. If they were not a problem, they wouldn't be in the point list in the first place
>>540032690Because Draglubion into Numeron Dragon is the ultimate beater. >>540032854"Rotation" format was unironically better than most games' flagship formats. Salad was overpowered early on but it was never so oppressive that it was the only deck worth playing. The small playerbase really exacerbated the problem since there wasn't enough pressure to explore the format as much as it deserved. Iris Synchro was my favorite deck by far.
>>540032984I mean if EACH copy is worth 20 points, you basically get 1 Detonator, and 3-4 total Ryzeal names alongside it
>>540032802Raye is also free
>>540028089damn so ishizu tearlaments can run rampant? ok lmao
>>540032992>But no really they do kinda need to hit VS and Lunalight they just flat out forgot lmaoyou cant use pendulums nor can you link summon and a single bagooska will take up your entire 100 points for the deck, lunalight might still be too good but you arent consistently making more than one Liger if even that
>>540033056That's not entirely fair because they're trying to box out players using certain cards together, like they obviously don't want you to use tour guide to get Djin. So they have to put Tour Guide on the list even though it would make more sense to just ban Djin.
>>540033198>tear names at 50 so you can only play 2 cardstear is thankfully unplayable
>>540033198sentry and kekbeck are both 50 eachall tears are 50 each
>>540032530please respond... at least say no and call me a retard
>all tears at 50they don't hate the deck, they just want to piss off tears players
>>540028089Look at his.Mirrorjade, Sanctifire, and three branded fusions fusions compose about 160 points.Three Tearlament monsters are 150 points. Konami knows how broken tears are.
>>540033446its justice for ruining a format
>>540026903>2 new cards>4 alt artsThey're actually going to do the thing and make the 4 alts all be touched up screenshots for the first four Charmers aren't they.
Full power runick + 3 imperm + 3 ash + veiler/fuwa, + 1 Starving Venom or 1 dark hole
>>540033398sorry I'm a unplayer
This is just stealth Duel Link banlist
>>540033580Are you retarded?Even in the Branded SD, only 2 out of 4 alt arts are based on anime screenshot, not all 4
>>540033607I'm sure all those pend and link hating boomers will love playing against Troonick.
>Blanket Pendulum banOh come on my girl is only Pendulum for a gimmick.
>1 point>and centurion is relatively unhit
>Junk Speeder and Crimson Dragon are both 100 pointsLmao
Soul of the supreme king package costs 0 points
>therion fully free>graceful is 40 pointstime to play therion with 2 gracefuls and that's it
>>540033607yeah but i could play all exodia pieces+3 pot of greeds instead
>>540033795Crimson Dragon is 100 points, so that's why
Invoked unhit except for Kaliga at 90 points lel
>>540033795oh fuck crimson dragon is 100, damn
>>540028089What a load of crap.
>>540034000If you can't link Aleister off the engine sucks.
>>540031102Diaper status lola?
>>540033795>it's truebased
So uhh how frequently are these points going to update?Surely each new product that comes out immediately releases full power decks that ALSO get access to generic powerhouse banned cards like Pot of Greed or Graceful Charity for free?Like is Kewl Tune going to be released with 0 point cost?
>>540033814Jet synchron is 1 point and assault is 5 also
>>540033795they know certain card combinations are a problem which why bahamut shark is 81 and toad is 20crimson dragon being at 100 prevents that bullshit
>>540034125QRD? Is this the one Sora Fluffalfag?
>>540034172nevermind just read this >>540034037>>540033929
>>540034270>literally shows username>hurr durr is this sorafagdeflecting won't help you, troon
I find it incredibly funny I spotted several people who complain about a lack of alternate formats...complain about Konami making a new alternate format rather than focusing on the main format.Also the "this will make X deck completely broken" takes that only look at one card and miss shit like was seen across >>540033795 and >>540033929
>>540034229>shark is 81 and toad is 20lol
>>540034229the points system is actually wuite versatile in that sensei don't get why people are shidding so much on it, when you actually think it over a lot of it makes sense
>>540031492Fiendsmith is optional, not necessary. Most succesful versions of the deck were ran pure
>>540034407Runick and VSK9 are absolutely gonna tear the metagame apart thoughLunalight might also be annoying even with no pends
>>540028089Can you play multiples of a specific pointed card without gaining more points?
Kashtira Arise-Heart 97Kashtira Fenrir 30Kashtira Unicorn 30
lol they copied the commander bracket systembut they need to host some tournaments or no one will play those (shall we? Next week? )
i just realised somethingthey got rid of the extra monster zonetherefore runick is completely uselessno wonder they didn't touch it
>>540034603noyou can only play 2 graceful
>>540034603no, each copy is worth those X points
>>540033192What exactly is rate supposed to do in a format without links?Open an onlyfans?
>>540034712Oh, yeah I guess that only leaves Runick as a meme build that needs a generic field searcher to access Fountain
>izuna 20 points
how much is shifter
>>540034712VS also lost its linki still think VSK9 sweeps this format hard, most people won't be able to afford habdtraps and that decks comes with 3 extremely strong ones for free (sue) and your main points go into a handtrap to (izuna from k9 stuff)the dracotail points are extremely low too
>>540034712My mathmech dreams are shattered
>lunalights almost full powerwew
So I can just play gren maju beatdown with staples? The deck is unhit
>100 pointsWhat am I missing?
>>5400350425 points for some retarded reason droll is 7
>>540034712>Gumblar's handrip + burn effect is literally unusable RIP
>Naturia Beast 50 pointsFuck you
Adventure engine as a whole also only costs 20 pts with rider
>>540035123light barrier at 1
>>540034483>RunickNo extra monster zone>VSK9 3 Izuna, 1 Lupus, 1 Ripper alone is 85 points. It will likely be strong, but the deck also basically can't play staples and you can't go into Ripper a second time if its dealt with.It may well be strong, but it is losing out on a fair bit.
>>540034189lol never
>>540028089>no maliss
>>540035170Gumblar itself is literally unusable, it's a link monster.
It says they're having it as a side event for the YCSes so it seems like they're in it for long haul>>540035460>linkless Maliss
>>540035460oh wait sorry dumb me I forgot link not allowed
>Meizen is 50 points>Yaguramaru is 20>The link is bannedBros...
>>540035334you can just get 2 izunas instead of 3 and main x3 droll/fuwa/whatever and it's still a ludicrously strong decki wonder if VS would even bother playing K9 at that point, shifter is so much cheaper than i feel like they'd rather play shifter and more generics
>>540035634Meizen is 20* I'm blind
>dandy not on the listthe card is still good without link monsters but i guess with lonefire at 33 its not much of a problem
>>540034767>>540034784This looks more like a synchro and XYZ event then.
>>540035149k e kek
scuthe is at 100 points, what deck can exploit it?
>>540035642The argument for Shifter at 5 is that the intent is to make a slower format, and Shifter's a one time use card.Also Dracotail can do Fymena loops with a single copy of Maxx C if they drop Mululu and run 1 Arthalion 2 Fymena, that might be a problem
Nuns as expected are untouched, so that's something
>>540035780>instantly check Level Eater>100Bruh
Master Peace-less True Draco with 3 pot of greed
>>540034384It's a genuine question. Isn't Sorafag the general's local diaperfag and the buyfag? Why would his social media name match his name here?
>>540035909no floodgates tho
>>540035909Diagram is 33 FUCKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>540035909How are you play TD with no floodgates, you're gonna lose on the spot
some of these number choices are weird>smoke grenade at 87>colossus 67>trap dustshoot 94
>OSS at 100 points next to shit like VFD and shock master >diabellstar, poplar and even the azamnia are on the list so you can't search it>the good decks that would splash OSS like fire kings or rescue-ACE have cards on the list>the less good decks not on the list like volcanics wouldn't waste their points on a single OSS when they could load up on hand traps or draw spells >jet synchron also at 1 points because lmaoand what's snake eyes even gonna do without links
>>540035985>>540036161just play turnskipsalso 2x pot of greed + 1 diagram works
>>540028089>Block Dragon 40can adamancipator be playable again?
how hard am i coping with this?
>>540036226rank 1 turbo
>>540035865Pretty much all of the handtraps cost points and Exosisters eat shit to one interruption, why would it be hit
The more I look into the point table the more I realize how fucked most decks are. Like you have adamancipator with block dragon all free and good… except all the generic bosses are in there too, koaki guardian is also in there and you dont have room for staples. Not that bad ngl
https://yugiohblog.konami.com/2025/news-updates/introducing-ygo-tcg-genesys/>Genesys Invitationals are planned for these upcoming YCS events:>October 4/5 – Anaheim, California, USA>October 11/12 – Sao Paulo, Brazil>November 8/9 – Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA>November 29/30 – Merida, Mexico>For Europe, Genesys kicks off with an Invitational at YCS Bologna on November 22/23. Stay tuned for full details when the YCS Bologna FAQ goes up!>And the first North American full-on Genesys YCS (where the main event itself will be Genesys format) is coming in 2026.>We’re going to talk a lot about Genesys and how it works in the days to come, with multiple articles here every day, so stay tuned!damn they're going all in on this thing
>>540036194>handrip>floodgate>handripI wonder why>>540036226Snake Eye should have never gotten as strong as it got anyway. Keep it away from the game
>>540028089Might try dragon rulers in this, could be fun.
>>540036342No links so it wont be broken.
>>540036342what endboard?
>>540036418>Genesys YCSDayum Konami I thought you were going to leave it to die
0 point tournament when
>>540036387I know, which is why I said, as expected.
>yfw bpro is actually made for genesys
>>540036418They spent 2 years on this apparently so I'd imagine they'd be pretty invested into it as the hail mary for a slower format for yugiboomers and newcomers and shit deck enthusiasts can purchase product for
>>540036418Imagine if they did this for a format that wasn't chunky vomit.
>Genesyssounds gay as fuck
>"we need to milk playerbase on old unusable cards too">"say no more"
>slow formatlmao just rock up with turn 0 vsk9, what the fuck are the boomers going to do about it?
>we're gonna need you to somehow sell Phantom Revengers and Doom of Dimensions>say no more
Why is this 50 points?
>lunalight>k9 crystronwhat else is there?
>>540036983VS has literally 0 hits besides losing the link
>>540036880lol
>>540036974Tear.
>Dracotail Arthalion 10>Dracotail Faimena 20>Dracotail Mululu 5sounds playable
this new format is going to be a bunch of engines splashed together that can play through 3-4 hand traps
Some of the hits tell me that they weren't going to remove Links at first but then did and forgot to readjust the list.
>Supreme King Dragon Starving Venom 1>2 dark pendulum monsters>when pendulums are bannedlmao konami.....
>>540036356not muchcool deck
>>540036356report back with results
How would something like Mathmech Sigma work in this since there's no EMZ?
>>540037489>>5400375702 years for this...
>>540037840>How would something like Mathmech Sigma workit just wouldn't work
brb gotta build metamorphosis.dek
>40 pointsSomeone crack this.
forgive me if it's a stupid question, but wouldn't a new format have a negative impact by fragmenting the community?what if players like this genesys format and start only playing, what would it do for the game long term?
>>540037840Well, it's not like you control a monster in the zone that doesn't exist
>>540037990less players playing Yu-Gi-Oh! the card game
bros my 2011 frog monarch deck costs like 300 points wtf happened
>No pendsAh yes, those pendulum cards are really oppresive and borken. Nevermind other decks raping everyone butthole.
druler bros can we cook or nah?
>>540037990>what if players like this genesys format and start only playing, what would it do for the game long term?Nothing. Konami would still produce cards that will get put into Genesys format naturally as a result of it having the Advanced card pool while lacking its banlist.Konami would put a little more effort into Genesys points upon new releases, and still maintain Advanced as a sort of obligated legacy format they have to pretend exists (in this hypothetical world where Genesys > Advanced)
at this point it's clear that they regret creating pendulums
>>540037965this + 1 manticore of darkness in gy and 1 in hand/field/gy = infinite drawsput exodia and you win
Destiny HERO - Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer 20Destiny HERO - Plasma 20Elemental HERO Stratos 3Masked HERO Dark Law 70wait, neos and heros are going to be super strong in this
Poor edo devs...
>>540037965zombies and lightsworn
what killed pendulum?
fucking kek they put fusion destiny at 33yeah they don't want people to play dpe
Their genesys format feels like a pokemon smogon fan tried to come up with a way to balance this mess of a game. With "no banlist" + a 100 point limit, I guess this allows certain degenerate cards back into the game but without the enablers because it would pass the limit.
>The Hidden City- 33 pointsWe're still punishing Subterrors? That's insane
>>540038518they just don't want it to be splashable dragoon being 100 is also nice
Why is this named after one of the worst Terminator movies of all time
adventure engine is 50 points, yeah I am running that in every deck
>>540038513Who fucking knows. Casuals hate them because lmao text, but ygo was already comboslop negateslop stunslop by 2012 so I don't know why they single out that mechanic.
>>540038513genesys
>>540038603This is nothing like Smogon. It's more like what people who don't understand Smogon tiers think should be shoved into the system to make it "fair". Like the people who say Mewtwo can be OU if you only allow it to use Confusion and no item.
>>540038807because the mechanic of replaying your monsters over and over again for no cost is complete nonsense to casuals
>>540039057>no costExcept having to have the right scales, arrows, and only being able to pend summon once per turn meaning it only happens once per duel.
>>540039032Yeah, i guess a more accurate smogon yugioh would be like saying and deck with a yummy card is Uber tier and swordsoul is UU.
>>540039248>arrowsWe all know it wasn’t like this in the original Master ruling for pendulums.
>>540039057Pends lack immediate power of any meta deck and being forced to link suck dick. Also most decks don't have proper endboard.Sure magician and dracoslayer can end on 20 negates plus floodgate, but that not being handtrapped to death. Also muh pepe.
>psyframe gamma is 15fuck it im running it
Genesys will get one half assed side event that flops and Konami will use it a an excuse to never try anything new
>>540039628Over powered based
>Catapult Turtle - 100 Points>Number 100: Numeron Dragon - 1 Point
>konami hired soundwave to fix the game>he came up with genesyswhat the fuck soundwave
>>540039628Broo this format keeps sounding worse and worse.
i'm seeing people saying they will run 2 maxx cokay then what? you used all your points to draw but now you don't have the good rest of the good cards
>>540038652There's a trend with the list where older stuff that has historical precedence performing well have (relatively) high DP values while the newer stuff that hasn't had enough time to spread its wings has relatively low DP. Maxx Sneed is at 50 DP while Fuwalos is only 7. There definitely needs to be a couple of revisions to the list moving forward, but for a first iteration I don't think they did too badly.
>>540013791>No Blue eyes or Primite cards bannedMUTEKI, KYOJIN, SAIKYOUUUUU
>>540038807It's because Pends debuted during the time when Konami-- NOT the community-- was still coming to grips with the growing power level of the game. That resulted in the majority of Pendulum monsters just being outright bad. Awkward scales, bad effects, meaningless restrictions, the works. We are spoiled these days since most new pend cards include a Scale 0, unless it's something like Vaalmonica which is designed to explicitly work with level 4s.
>>540039960well i mean, i want to build centurion resonator,(because my actual tcg deck is orcust) and just the core >auxila x1 = 33>prinera x1= 5>trudeax1= 3>stand up x3= 15core costs 56, so i unironically couldnt run 3 psyframe gear gamma if i wanted.theres some thinkering needed for this shit
>>540039325There's no comparison since there's no perfectly standardized version of what a deck looks like even within its own archetype. A pokemon is a hard bordered collection of attributes that can't be added to or subtracted from making banning it clean. It's like when we had a custom banlist here and people got pissed at others for playing Iris Swordsoul when Swordsoul (the deck) was banned. >>540039356You're right. It was more difficult to get a big pendulum summon back then since you couldn't link bodies off for extension. PePe was so oppressive because its scales popped themselves for the same effect while filling their hand and having perfect levels for the extra deck bosses of the time. Pendulum Magicians didn't pick up until MR4.
The point system is so weird to me since it benefits decks with no points to their cards way too much and basically makes the pointed extra deck so much better than any pointed main deck cards by a long shot. For example, you only need one Dis Pater, period, if you want to use him. While, the unsearchable triple tactics cards have way too many points just to add one of them that there isn’t a benefit to running them at all.This is even reflected in the floodgates. Winda and Dweller can be played at one to be the strat of the deck, while you can’t run three unsearchable floodgate continuous traps because a single copy caps out the points you can use.
>>540029003>>540028089>No Links or Pendulums Holy based>The retarded point system idea has become real>No banlist at allIt's funny how this is supposed to be a boomer bait format but it's just going to be a consistent FTK fest, even with the point system it's just a matter of time someone finds something super degenerate
>>540040237Pends still suck dick even with full power decks, MD have everything at 3 besides five rainbow and they do fuck all.
Gem Knight seems like a really powerful OTK deck, Master Diamond at 66, Brilliant Fusion at 33 and No Links, you can just forego Master Diamond and have 66 points to play with in terms of boardbreakers and generics
>every floodgate is 100 pointsthere are 2013 era stun decks that would get like 2000 points kek
>>540040413PEPE abused rank4 fuckery, sending cards to GY is bad for pends. Trick clown caused whole BS not pends.
>>540040203Link-1 is banned, Lode and Wishes are 33 pts each. Melody is also 33 pts for what it's worth.
>>540040620look up dimensional shifter
>>540038513The fact that it's played by a tranny MC and favored only by troons and troon chasers
>>540040481It basically evens the playing field in my opinion so far. For example, I've been trying to make a Red-Eyes deck... problem is, red eyes would love to play about 40 in archetype cards. But the decks thriving are the ones who can have their entire core in about 10 cards and then fill the rest with other overpowered engines & handtraps.So while I felt my red eyes deck were logical and made sense in the Old Yugioh I knew, playing those cards is just inferior to stronger engines & staples. Now those stronger decks are getting hit in the knees while I lose nothing, I didn't want many staples to begin with.This probably applies to ton of other decks that could hold their own with their archetype cards, but weren't quite on the level of staples.
>Fishborg at 33Jesus
gateway of the 6 is 100 points kek, six samurai was looking to DOMINATE with any less
I would like the point system a lot more if the points were fixed from applying a card into the deck, not by how many copies of the card you use.
>>540038513Pendulum was unpopular from the start. Most players will tell you it was a mistake.
>>540040505Catapult Turtle requires all of your DP and most of the things that enable Catapult Turtle's FTKs also have nonzero DP values. It's not like that's the only FTK in existence, but it's a blanket hit for many FTK strats.
>>540028089There's """potential""" in this as in Konami can always revise the point "banlist" if anything too degenerate pops up, but we all know they're not going to do anything and let this die after 5 months
>welcome, big welcome and lady 33pwhy, lab hasn't been good for years now.
>>540032530I would but so far every deck I wanted to play is dead. And I don't want to lose to a 5 point shifter deck meta.
>>540041201If that were the case, most cards would be 51+ points
Link Monsters did more to ruin the pace and speed of the game than Pendulum Monsters ever did, and they put them on the same tier LMAO
>>540041085It doesn't even the playing field as much as you'd hope. This is just a banlist for the decks they decided to hit. Pick your favorite "almost there" deck from the past few years that was ignored by the points system and sweep. Red-Eyes isn't it.
>>540040779Cant believe I missed that. Yeah it would have been stupid to just let it run at full power. Not unplayable however I still feel like it lost the least compared to the other Meta stuff, I rarely get to resolve more than 1 wishes in a match anyways with so many negates, you can probably swap the ratios sometimes (2 wishes 1 lore, 2 lodes 1 wishes).There's a lot of strategizing to make here but they're not terrible ratios and are easily searched
>>540041279>I would but so far every deck I wanted to play is deadthe point is the find gold in these trash heaps
>>540041201>GIVE ME THREE POT OF GREEDQuit being retarded.
how much is chain b->50fuck for a moment I got excited
>>540041312I kinda get what why they didn't want to bother with pends. It's just a lost cause, not worth it.You are right though.
>>540041251So it can stay like that
>>540041312Pendulums are probably banned because they didn't want to have to revert to MR3 rules. The spirit of the dumbass idea of banning whole mechanics probably made that an easy choice made without much thought.
>>540028089Just saw this.What a load of shit. Worst new format idea of all time>Dude what if we just banned all pends and links and called it as new format?Dogshit.Although I will say this, the funny part is we can all say dumb shit now like>Well I guess Konami has confirmed that Pends and Links were a mistake :^)But no, seriously this is the worst format idea I've ever heard. I won't even waste my time playing a single game of this shit.
>>540041201not sure you could ever balance something like 3 imperial orders
Ok inferinity fags, tell me what can you achieve with that list
>>540041317>Red-Eyes isn't it.red-eyes max metalmorph is actually looking mad decent thoughsince red-eyes is shit it never got links (aka good versatile cards) so you can play all of their stuff and max metalmorph is unhityou only need 1 dragoon, or could just play burn spam with their xyz and the max metalmorph burn cards
>>540041492Yeah should let Links go free. They don't deserve to be jailed like Poopulums.
>>540041480They'd probably have to do something like>MR4 scales>weird hybrid between MR3 and MR4 Pends where you can only Pend Summon like 2 from the ED>Pend is already a divisive mechanic towards the audience being catered to
I feel like this format is going to be the way going forward because balancing shit is considerably way easier, just up or down the point cost of cards and that's it.
All this tells me is they know what problem cards exist in the TCG/OCG, but they keep them unhit on purpose. Control F all of the 100 point cards and you will see a cavalcade of bullshit STILL LEGAL in the current game.
>>540041312Yes but the principle is the same, do you WANT pendulums in the game? No you're lying I know you don't, only Meta slaves played them when they were OP and nobody likes Arc-V.Links and Pendulum are both the freest summon mechanic, almost for no cost you will spam monsters and both need to rot in tartarus for ruining the game.
>>540041726yes except they also banned all links and pendulums and brought back the mr2 board for some goddamn reason
>>540041085Not quite, and thats the problem with point buy and "lower power" formats. There's still a king of the hill, except now you can optimize and figure out the best point for point value too>>540040481Like this anon already hit on it, you can't simply price the ED stuff the same as main deck, anyone who's played $20 format could've told you that
>>540041312I honestly don’t think so. Links on their own are fast-paced, but their cards were normally weaker than synchros, XYZs, and fusions by their stats and effects.Links were strong by their combo potential, not their end boards. While fusions make up their combo issues with stronger end board bosses.
they should give some cards negative points, maxx c is -10 points each so we can keep 3 in every deck forever
>wanted to play purrely>15 per purrely, 10 per purrelyly, 15 sleepy memoryfuck it im playing paleozoics
>>540041603Unrelated but is it recommended to have more than 1 Fullmetal dragon? I bought mine for $10 a couple of months ago and now I'm fuming seeing it be sold for $1, but I wonder if I need more than a copy at all.Also, Metalzoa X is the best floodgate, you heard it here folks. It's a ghost ogre TWICE PER TURN, whenever the opponent activates an effect you quick destroy one of their cards, like wtf that is busted
Why didn't they just introduce this point system except keep links and pendulums in the game...? I don't know why they bothered to exclude them outright.
>>540041768>Links and Pendulum are both the freest summon mechanic, almost for no cost you will spam monstersthe absolute display of retardation on this post is so impressive that it almost makes me think it's KoA's tewart ninjas astroturfing pend hate
>>540041970to bait yugi boomers. They wouldn't even look at this format unless those are completely out
>>540041768Pendulum require a whole dedicated deck for it, you can't splurge like some sort of engine. Is nowhere free as retards think, there is also problems with consistency due how scales work.
>>540041970Literally just to try to appeal to yugiboomers.
>>540041826There's a best one, but unless it gets solved in a degenerate way I cannot anticipate, I think this makes a more balanced Meta because people will depend more on luck / betting on their own custom ratios (like my 2 lodes 1 wishes vs 2 wishes 1 lode dilema), and leaving out handtraps, staples or entire monsters in favor of others.The best part of this thing is that yes, you can play stuff, but you'll sacrifice other strong cards to do it and look for suboptimal alternatives.
>>540028089are they doing this in japan too or is it just a tcgcuck thing?
>>540041768You're talking to the resident Abyss Actor player and Vaalmonica enjoyer. Of course I'd want to play those decks in a lower powered format. The amount of Pend cards they could assign point values is far and away less than the amount of non-problematic Pend cards that exist. Don't believe me? Look at all of the Pendulum archetypes designed post Electrum ban. They've overcorrected and even THEN they still ban them in a lower power format.
>>540041970>If we remove these, surely the yugiboomers will come back to us!That's it. That's their mindset.
>>540042094I would agree but you can't have synchros and xyzs either at that point. The yugiboomers are going to leave the table as soon as they see a white or black card.
so someone on the konami R&D team plays too much warhammer 40k
>>540041960And Metalzoa X isn't OPT btw, you can have up to 3 Metalzoas on the field and just apache helicopter your enemy's field, 6 destroyed cards if they dare play the game
>>540042215obviously tcg only. Japs are satisfied with the way konami fucks them every day, so they don't need an alternate format
>>540042289Pretty much lmao>googoo gaagaa pends and links bad>all those cancer DM era cards are legal thoughFirst week of this format will have a bunch of retards atempting Yata lock, unironnially
>>540041498That’s the thing.Imperial order only effects spell cards, and can be destroyed by monsters, quickplay spells, etc.If people spend their 100 points to apply imperial order (1 to 3) to their decks, then let them. That’s the glass-cannon strategy they’re fully committed to by losing access to any other pointed cards in the list.
Points system is just the smartest thing to do, I just wish it was forced as the main thing, a new banlist style to actually force us to engage with it for 6 months or a full year.It's so much easier to adjust because you just dial up some numbers if a certain card used in a deck is overpowered, like, now make Fish XYZ cost 70 points and Mirror Force 31 points if hypothetically those 2 were toxic to the game.
They could probably do>MR5 Pend Scales (so it's just the standard field zone from the start of the game to end of zexal)>You can only Pend 1 monster from the ED so they don't just have infinite followupThey probably just figured yugiboomers hate pend too much and newcomers are too confused by it or something
this is exactly 100 points
>My Petdeck is even more unplayable in this format because it has a good link and 4 cards on the list.Well, you know, I just didn't want to play the new Glad Beast support anyways.
>>540028089So each individual card count to points or a playset of a card does??
>>540041923link monsters are absolutely a mistakehaving a inherent way to send generic stuff from the field to the GY ended up being a huge problem without links, 1 card combos are more fragile and easier to stop
>>540042809look at frog monarch...
>>540042826Individual cards. To play 3 Pot of Greed you need to use up 90 points
The points system reminds me of the old Yugioh games where you had to level up to fit stronger cards in your deck
>>540041768I haven't watched the anime. I loved the gameplay of AGOV ZARC since it played a lot like early 2021 Tri-Brigade but the big guy who slams down as a Raigeki on the opponent's turn had Dragoon protection and killing on turn 3 was easy since Gate Magician had DM stats on a reusable combo enabler body. I can assure you I was doing to least disgusting things at locals during AGOV format despite playing the "unfair" mechanic.
>>540042924Links had just turned Yugioh in a completely different tcg, I always wondered why tf we didn't have a format without them. Not talking Ediosn or GOAT, but merely a supported No Links format. The game stopped being fought by your deck and hand when any card on the field opens up infinite plays and combos.
>>540042714What follow up? Bunch of weak beatsticks?Really scary.
>>540042804That looks fierce.
>Idea to create a new lower power formatGood, we've all been asking for this for centuries>Ban Links and PendulumsRetarded. Absolute braindead decision. There are more shit pendulum and link cards/archetypes than there are good ones (same as all other summoning methods). The decision to ban them outright is baffling. What a waste of a format that I've been waiting a long ass time for. They fucked up.
>>540043083konami should've kept links' powerlevel low instead of pushing them to the moon
>>540042951I feel for you. The R&D team has to be less than 5 people or understaffed. There's no way someone would play Frog Monarch in a format where something like >>540042804 is okay and then say "Yeah kill that Edison deck."They probably found some dumb combos in a vacuum that influenced it.
I can't play Abyss Actor/Vaalmonica/Nouvelle in a lower power format because Jerome is scared of Electrumite.
>>540043210my only worry is that it's a bit inconsistent, I can easily see giving up on typhon and zeus for extrav (0pt) and use the 30pts for one last handtrap
>>540043280The ban of link and pendulums is outside of the rebalancing scope, they got banned because they're shitty mechanics
>>540043285Maybe if they weren't generic. They should have required specific materials like Sky Striker ( even then SS is one of its primary offenders of link spamming and just never staying down, but at least it fully commits to the mechanic and they lose half their power with a monster on their main zone)But yeah it was so strong you couldn't really ignore Links, they felt like those new webslinging powers added to new Monster Hunter games. You could try to play without them the classic way, but people using them were so obviously a tier above you.
how long would it take for someone to implement the point costs into a builder? the "build your deck" page kept buffering for me so i closed it, and manualy seaching the cards by hand its kind of annoying.
Can't wait to play my favourite deck in this new forma->has LinksOh that's fine I can just go to my backup>has Links AND PendulumsFuck I guess I'll just go for my backup's backu->has crucial combo pointed out of gameplayOh I guess I can go for an old favourite of min->has Linksholy good fuck
I think the no links and pends rule is more to get new players. Be real with yourself. Yes, we know how they work but coming from another card game or from zero background the rules around them are annoying from a new gameplay standpoint. Synchros, Fusions, and XYZ are largely more free and can be put anywhere and go to the GY without any restrictions or rulings like Pends with Macro on field.Just my thoughts. My petdecks are still doa...
Decks that can be played in genesys>virtual world>rikka>generaider (with VFD legal) >VSK9 >dracotail without many staples>lunalight>mangled centur-ion>mangled dinomorphia>totally free eldlich>mangled dragonmaid>totally free P.U.N.K>mangled regenesis>therion>mangled shaddoll>speedroid (unfortunately)>shiranui and mayakashi>zombie world slop>cydra >utopia>amazement>mangled tenpai>crystron>resonatorsAnd many more!
I mean, I'm okay with TCG experimenting things. Let them try out this format, if anything it will show that appeasing to the unplayer boomers that hate mechanics just because they refuse to learn is a retarded idea
>>540043458these decks aren't fun to play against
>>540043638>lose Crimson Dragon>become "mangled" as a resultzoo wee mama
>>540043621>All of his favorite decks use linksYou need to be 18+ to post here.Alternatively look for alternatives unless the deck revolves around them. Like, blue eyes has one nice link but the deck still fully functions with other cards if you remove it.
>The Genesys format list does not have a single Lunalight name, meaning nothing costs points>Dogshit decks like Purrely, Dragonmaid and Windups are in said points list>Zoodiac Broadbull is 60 points so i still have 40 points for other staples and Broadbull skips a fuckton of combo steps Lunalight do in order to search any beast warrior (to say less that this is on top of Tenki set by Tiger King)Does Tewart and Jerome have a furry fetish to allow Lunalight to utterly fucking rape the format? Because Genesys format sounds like Lunalight's playground if they are allowed 100% of their fucking cardpool.
>>540043625New players complain about synchros and xyz too and will be completely turned off by how power crept the game still is and how much of a mess deckbuilding will be and how the game is just a knowledge check the whole way down with fundamentals playing no role in gameplay at any level.
>>540043846you can't play either pend so it's a bit fucked
>>540042804how the fuck was I forgetting sue
>>540043820The issue is that I've gotten used to and enjoyed recent decks, and going to real old favourites just results in a power level discrepancy that was also present in Advanced to begin with, because they lack any modern support and the power gained by using generic staples isn't enough to carry it
>>540043846And yes i am aware Tiger and Wolf are pends and as such they are banned, but Broadbull legal would allow for a lot of shit because Gold Lio and Silverhound can bandaid shit. But it is stupidly strange to me that they went harder on Dragonmaid, Purrely and even Labrynth than Lunalight, Liger Dancer looks almost unoutable.
>>540043638>RikkaNo you really can't. You need the Sylvan link , Aromage Link and the Sunsneeds to make it work. Without them it's a subpar xyz spam deck.
very excited for Genesis format, but will it be like Speed format with joke, almost insulting prizes like paper rulers and pencils too?
>>540043674This is the exact wrong way to appeal to boomers since it doesn't appeal at all past allowing them to post "looks like pendulums and links WERE too good" smugly on twitter. We need a curated card pool instead of anything goes* with shitty restrictions. You can instantly tell none of this has been playtested. It's all concept stage trash pushed out the door.
I can't wait to be unable to play Genesys properly because no simulator will actually accommodate the point system nor will my locals actually host this format. Fun.
>>540042804>a Mirrorjade is 33>A single branded fusion is 33>a single Branded lost, which is a dead card the majority of the time, is 66>Vanquish soul can use almost all of their maindeck monsters, and use anti-Zeus and Zeus???That’s so weird.
>>540028089>konami finally admitted l*nks and slopulum were a mistakebased, based
>>540044193Your usual simulators will have this coded by Friday tops, it's really easy to just assign points to the 550 cards Konami published, it could be done this very day if they feel like it.
>>540044161They already said they are giving out old prize cards and Giant Cards at YCSes for Genesys format
>>540043947Oh….They have holy sue???Why???
>>540044214At this point you have to wonder if they hit VS that hard to make their players move to Genesys.
>this is 33 points?
>>540044163>It's all concept stage trash pushed out the door.They said they have been working on Genesys for the last 2 years>You can instantly tell none of this has been playtestedRivalry of Warlord decks are Genesys legal decks, and they were generally well-received as fun balanced times as a side format
>>540044449too sexy
>>540044449Might be a VFD hit.
>>540043820Being fair, they printed so many shitty Deck Build themes and then excluded most of them just with that decision. If you liked any pack filler from the last few years you have to worry whether you can play it in Genesys
>>540044374my guess is that they think the deck will be shit without their link-1
new zexal batch droppedepisodes 123 to 134https://x.com/yugioh_anime/status/1970080637450346537https://youtube.com/watch?v=6ed3hDrYBHUprevious batch has reached 363k viewshttps://youtube.com/watch?v=irnTgvLC7HI
So Shifter is actually 50 rightThat 5 points on the list is just a typo right
>>540044449Plap
>>540044449That’s right, anon. If you want to use three of this brick, it will be 99 points!
>>540044193If they took the time to code to make flush playable, theyll totally make this playable too,
>>540044338The usual simulators never bothered to implement any other format Konami has shat out like Deck Master or Common Charity, so I doubt they are going to touch it.
>Swap Frog 33>Ronintoadin 60>Toad 20Jesus man kinda harsh no? They hit Frogs harder than Spright, I guess you can still make Toad but ehAlso why not just make Hunter 100 Carrier 1?>>540043638E Tele is 40 a pop for PUNK
>Junk Speeder - 100 points
>>540044641There's a difference between "Draw to 5, infinite Normal Summons and the 3-zone format we already had from Speed Duel during a big engine upgrade" and "Each card can now hold a point value that has its own "banlist" that needs to be updated, alongside a point total associated with each deck that needs to be referenced in rooms noting a specific format"
>>540044586The theory is that they're probably aiming for games to last longer so Shifter matters a lot less, I'd imagine we'd either see more hits or Shifter ramp up once games are being played
>>540044647Wait you're right, I had forgotten those existed at all. But surely this one is making a bigger buzz, there's hope. I believe it's not a gimmick, it's a real attempt at fixing the game that could have been passed off as a real banlist (but then Konami would get burned to the ground for banning Link decks that costed people thousands of dollars)
>>540044673Get fucked frogkek. You will forever be under sprights boot.
>>540044478If this is what 2 years of R&D spits out just fire the whole fucking team.
>>540044848>Jet Synchron - 1 pointThey literally made Speeder 100 and Jet 1 just so you can't play them both together.My sides have literally left this earth and entered the stratosphere.
>>540044857>Genesys Banlist which assigns points instead>blanket ban on every Link/Pend>you can put max points when making a room>assign 500+ cards their point value under the Genesys banlistwoah
>all the numeron XYZs are 10 points>numeron field spell is 34>numeron calling is 30it's 104 points to play numerons, fuck sake konami
Things are not unplayable, this is just becoming a lower power format. You'll still do well but will need more luck and skill.
>>540044947I am not playing Spright Frog, I just find the lenient hits on Sprights in favor of going ham on Frogs baffling, can't they play something like Melffy or Nimbles and basically only care about the Starter hit? Hell they can do 1 copy of Swap and Mirror Master to still make Toad
if i made this format no card would be zero points, they'd all be 1 by defaultalso no card would cost more than 50 points
>chimera is untouched>azamina barely hit at all
>maxx c 50>Lightning storm 40
>>540045053Yeah "woah" but you also have to update the card database to feature a point value and actually implement all of these changes.Shit like Common Charity was literally just a banlist that needed updated, and EDOPro never bothered doing that. Hell, Deck Master mechanics have literally been in the game the whole time via the Virtual World format card, but EDOPro never bothered actually implementing Deck Master.Rivalry of Warlords are just preset decks, they could've put them in as default decks you could pick from a dropdown for a format, but they also didn't.Anything that involves the bare minimum is too much. EDOmonkeys already take a century to actually implement cards
>>540045253Look at the Diabellstar and Sinful Spoils, that shit is not cheap
>>540036974Muh 5 card mill.
Runick unhit, I want to make battlewasp but the insect links are so needed. I am sad any insect deck will probably be trash
>>54004534338 cards to go champ
Surely Magical Scientist does something in this fucking format. It's free as fuck.
>>540045343maxx c is indeed a stronger card than lightning storm
>>540028089just when you think they couldn't be more retarded
>Trap Dustshoot 94to be freed soon
not a single runick card is on the list, im gonna get fucking weird with it
>>540045395diabelle is good but not necessary apprentice illusion magician is the mandatory starter
>>540038513The playerbase consisting of morons and konami being even dumber than their playerbase.
>>540045526Just in case you are just retarded, the EMZ is gone so all Runick cards have their effects cut in half and you can't actually play any of your Fusions
are SHS playable in regenesys format?
>>540045194Lower power+point buy just means the chosen decks that werent good enough to get hit get to make full use of their 100 points have the advantage 0 points in a point buy is just so, goddamn Konami
>>540045606Runick if honest
>>540045526That’s because there is no extra monster zone.
>>540045526>>540045423>No Extra Deck monster zones
>>540045614You don't have your Pendulums or your Link so no
Format is already fucked.Imagine playing against VS K9 from last format but you are punished for putting Droll and Purulia in your deckYeah not having Rock is totally going to hold this thing back
>>540045614can you make them work without link or pendulum?
>Mirage of Nightmare 10
>>540045748having to play against a bajillion handtraps that recycle themselves is still pretty fucking cringe man
>>540045764ok thanks
>>540041768Pendulums are anything but free, the fuck are you smoking?
post 0 point decks
>>540045826that's what I'm asking
Wish I could be as excited as you nigs but I am simply not going to play a single game of this format. Not even 1 just to test it, I have used my immense power of foresight, and I can already see that it's complete ass.
>>540045996therion
>Genesys invitationals>We’ve dug into the vault for some special prizes to hand out, like original 2009 SJC Dark End Dragon prize cards>We had these laying around and figured why not give them out for this shit alt format?Grim.
>>540045771>>540045771Wait.Why does holy sue have no points while Quem and Cartesia do?
>>540045962The mechanic that requires an entire deck built around it and two out of the five cards of your opening hand to even get started? Free.
>>540045996scrap deck
why is shifter at 5?
>>540041970To bait nostalgiafags back into the game who don't understand that even without links in the game old ygo isn't coming back.
>>540046157lore accurate
>>540045962nta, but every time i went vs a pendulum deck on masterduel, and comitted the sin of not drawing handtraps, i either scooped or had to sit there and watch them combo off and set up a bajilion omninegates board.the omninegates are not that bad in retrospective, is the "spend half a day doing your combo" part of the deal thats fucking miserable.
>>540041768>>540041312The problem is that Links are too generic. They had some semblance of balance early on with shit like >Requires 2+ Normal Monstersor>Requires 2+ [Type] Monstersbut of course that was quickly thrown out the window in favour of just "requires 2+ monsters" or being so good in archetype that it effectively didn't matter anyways.
>>540046157>No Scrap WyvernLmao genuinely unplayable bad even in this joke format.
Had the thought of them doing a separate Genesys 2 format with Links and Pends depending on how much of a success this is
>>540046107>we are just casually giving away over $4800 in prizing for our shit alt formatAre you retarded? That is an insane prize. You make more value out of winning this shit alt format than you ever would playing Advanced
>>540046107They're really pissing in Time Wizard's cuts. Sourcing original prize cards for major Edison tournaments was a thing we had to do out of our own pockets and now they're pulling one out for this abortion.
>>540043727And neither are most of the decks that are good in the new format so what's your point?
at first i though it was typo but then i found out that they localized this card with this name
This format is beyond fucked because most of the points are attached to the cards that normally make you have any chance at going second while several decks putting up crazy going first setup managed to dodge the list enough to still be playable.
>>540018521Da if you're here let me know, I can play the match today
>>540046273And any cards that would help them break the bank and force you to not play answers.Thank you Konami, very cool.
>>540044953I'm willing to bet Genesys started with trying to make Links and Pendulum work, but they had to put too much shit into the points list just to give non-Link decks a chance. Then they decided to pivot to boomer format and just clean out the two mechanics that alienated most boomers
>>540046390what's the problem?
Potentialman format
Aren't dinos unholy broken in this new gay format?
>>540046498I doubt it. It probably started with links and pends gone because that's the feedback they get from people claiming to be lapsed players.
>>540046219How is that different from any slop pile combo deck such as Maliss, Snake-Eye or even crap like Mannadium?Your problem is with combo decks not with Pendulums.
>>540046219Oh noes the big scary combo deck, save me tewart.Try play the damn thing before complain.
>>540045845caught my eye as well, I might try it in dracotail to fill the hand with fusion foddergulamel and urgula can pop it if needed be
>>540046293That should just become the new main banlist. Introduce points system as the official way to play the game, I see no downsides AT ALL, you still practically ban cards by making them cost 100 (or 1,so they won't be used with the 100s), but if you feel daring you can play a copy of them and make it work somehow.It deletes toxic combos. It's just superior to the forbidden/limited banlist
>Omega is 100 pointsWhy
>>540046556they should make an archetype for her and sangan
the new format will require at least a years worth of tourney results and point adjustments before its any good and I doubt konami will put that much effort into it
>No Pendulums>No Extra Monster ZoneArchfiend bros...
>>540046625Dinos require Linkuriboh to function smoothly.
>>540046625>Misc 75
>ariseheart 97so you're telling me there's a chance....
>>540028089>a dozen of decks that don't even resolve around link summoning but require one specific link monster to properly work>all killedI would rather see Konami implementing a new rule to severely nerf links like they did with pendulum.It would be as easy as - "link cards used as materials can't be treated as generic rating-1, they're always treated as their own rating".
>>540046625Misc is ludicrously expensive so it doesn't just OTK or build boards with no pushback
>>540046331>>540046337
>>540046830tenyi 100% revolves around link summoning dumbass
>>540039647Masquerena sex.
>>540046761this card is so cool
>>540046224Honestly, links were kinda like fusion monsters except Konami was so lazy with them that link cards practically became guardian chimera in how meaningless the materials became.
>>540046734This one is clearly Morrigan, the witch of eyes
>Can't play DM because dragoon is 100p>Can't play BE because no link and crimson dragon is 100p and Sifr is on the list.Konami the casualkeks.........................
>>540046219So like every other combo deck in the game? That's really not an inherently pendulum thing.
>>540046904Only the first wave, that flopped anyway.
>Butterfly Dagger - Elma 1THEN UNBAN IT!!
>>540046975>can play full power exodia insteadi don't see the problem
Konami basically said Link and pendulum were a fucking mistake LMAOOOOO
>>540046989But anon they pop cards then summen electrumite that pop another card and astrograph gets summonend and they put bunch of card on field that ends up with baronne borrel apo.Borken.
>>540046975Dragoon is a hundred points?Why is Baronne de Fleur 85 when she-Another example of the ED cards coming up better than the rest.
>labrynth is unplayablekonami is just a bunch of FAGGOTS who hate big tits
>>540047295back to eldlitch trap fag
Genesyssies, I am hosting a 100 point Genesys tournament on Sunday, the 19th of October (Subject to change)>Bo3 Swiss>55 minute rounds, 450 second timer>New time/end of match rules>Decklists and check-ins required>TCG plus prerelease cardpoolSign up here: https://challonge.com/dngGenesysStakesI'm open to suggestions and questions and the date/time is not set in stone.One thing I'm thinking about is whether to include prerelease cards or not. It might be better to keep it TCG only. Thoughts?
>maxx c 50 points>graceful charity 40 points>pot of greed 30 pointsso is this them finally admitting that the roach is stronger
>>540047398I'm not going to play but keep it TCG-only. It IS a TCG format and doing pre-release is retarded because Konami cannot assign point values to cards not released
>>540047398Hold up you can't do prerelease cards, those don't have point values.
Sooo are they going to make a new anime based on Genesys right?
>>540047398>prerelease when every card costs 0
So, do we have side deck here?
Wait HOW IS IT AMERICA ONLY? This looked like a big massive attempt at fixing the game by Konami, but the japs aren't doing it?Jeez just import Rush already
>Fishborg Blaster 33>Fiber Jar 30>Butterfly Dagger - Elma 1>Mirage of Nightmare 10>Number 86: Heroic Champion - Rhongomyniad 31all freed next banlist
>>540047025Exodia pieces are all 0DP and Royal Magical Library is at 100. If Elma were also at 0 then it would enable Exodia Deepdraw off of 1 RML and Gearfried.
>>540047398>PrereleaseYou're going need to assign points yourself if you're including brand new cards.
>>540047603OCG doesn't do alt formats
>>540046975Just play Tyrant Dragon Skill Drain beatdown. That's how Blue-eyes players coped with the deck before the new suport.
>>540047614i mean in the actual game. they clearly think it's a worthless card (which it is)
>arc v and vrains were a fucking mistake - KOA 2025
>>540047494>>540047540To be fair, that implies any of the pre-release TCG cards are broken enough to warrant a point evaluation ;^)So like, Constellarknights and maybe Fur Hire
>>540047398absolutely do not include prerelease, i usually always say do prerelease but in this case the format doesn't works if you include unreleased cards
>>540047491>>540047494>>540047540>>540047629Yeah that makes sense, I'll just do TCG only then. Coming up with point values myself would be a total nightmare
BUY OUT NOW
>>540047841>Buy shit for a clown formatNo, I don't think I will lmao.
>>540047798Arc-V is universally held as the worst of the Gallop anime meanwhile Vrains failed to win back the goodwill that Arc-V destroyed.
>>540047841Booba head.
>>540047837just make every pre-release card 100 :^)
>>540047837it's gonna be 100 point cap right?
>roach format lol this is why they reprint this fucker
>>540046219that deck is all pendulumsoup that has the same combo line (which is easily fixable in the point system)the main pendulum decks have restrictions (qlis, ennea, zefra, d/d) or are a joke (perfomapal, dragons, etc)
>Gossip Shadow at 70 so Rhongo could be at 31Think you might have your priorities mixed up Konami>>540047603The TCG has always been more interested in slower formats with Speed Duels, officially sanctioned alt formats, and their shitty ass TCG exclusive archetypes sans the good one, by comparison the OCG's only real foray is Tactical Try Format and the entirely different RUSH Duel
>>540044647Deck Master was impossible to implement cause konami never actually explained the rules wellCommon Charity was playable in both DB and Edopro to some extend, they just never got a ladder or the like
>>540028089>No banlist? Finally I can play Naturia Ishizu again>Agido and Kelbek at 50? That’s fine, I can get by with just one->Nat Beast at 50>Mudora at 1At least I can run three Mudora three Sacred Tree
>>540047953Correct.
>>540047612>>Number 86: Heroic Champion - Rhongomyniad 31op
>>540048002>Dark Matter Dragon was reprinted in this year's Tins>He's 50 points in this formatChecks out.
Waiting for the superior Dueling Nexus to implement it
>EU twitter posts about Genesys with the NA page for Genesys>Genesys is completely absent from the EU site>Genesys IS mentioned to be coming to EU YCSes on the NA site>EU never got any non-Time Wizard alternate formatWhat a clusterfuck of a situation. Genuinely why withhold info from one region on another region's website? Why even bother differentiating them at this point? Just have the one site and note the different region dates when mentioning them.
>>540029320what do you mean you always have to submit a decklist
Re-Genesys format in which Links and Pends are legal
i don't hate the idea of a point based deckbuilding format, but in addition to obviously needing better balancing (hopefully they update point values over time) there is no good reason to blanket ban links and pends. the yugiboomers aren't going to play a format with deckbuilding this complicated.
Points systems suck by default because the people assigning point values never have any goddamn idea what they're doing.
>>540048448Says you can deckbuild with Neuron so I'd imagine there's that to make things easier, you can have a big ass symbol of the points and the total points the decklist currently has, I can't imagine yugiboomers are so retarded they can't even count
every time you top you lose 5 points for your next deck
>>540048448It's also not going to be appealing to yugiboomers at all because the meta will probably be some 2-3 year old decks at most (if not current year, like in this starter list I don't understand how VS is not insane).This ban on links/pends is just dumb and petty.
>>540043638>speedroid (unfortunately)You are missing some cards
>>540048387Electrumite will be the first card with 200p.
>>540048602The kind of person who can't handle modern ygo is also the kind of person who can't handle using phone apps.
>>540048663>Konami themselves say you can change point requirements for decks200 points isn't farfetched, it would just denote it as being part of a much higher power Genesys format
>>540028089So this is basically pet deck dreamThis is unironically GOOD and will sell more product All we need its a new anime
Come on guys it's not all about yugiboomers. I think there's a good chunk of us who are "Rogue / UnderUsed" players, not quite Meta because it's either too expensive or annoying to play even with all free cards available.This format will probably be more fun, same reason you'd play Edison even if it also has its own strong decks
I get sillva but why the fuck do dark world cards cost points
>>540048943At least you don't have to worry about shifter and roach in Edison.
>>540049073Infernity, Six Sam, and Wind Up all have points so I'd imagine they're worried about infinite loop decks
>>540048943The issue with the format is that it is only fun when the fun hasn't been distilled out of the game yet. I guarantee when people start to clock what the best decks are, Genesys just becomes another unfun format.The fact VSK9 is entirely playable within the format despite being a top deck in Advanced (prior to hits) is just retarded, but god forbid you play Tindangle
what shifter decks are actually playable in genesys?
>>540048943This is probably why they made it. They need an alt format for legacy support that makes older decks good enough to be played but not good enough to be banned. Also gives new players an entry point without MR4 rules to confuse them. Less rules plus cheap decks.Effectively this format is made for those decks and players, but its got weird hits to decks like Glad Beast and Six sam that are counter intuitive for them to function well even with their new support.Only time will tell. They have a good baseline, they just need to hammer out the kinks in it.
>>540048602>>540048673literally no boomer will ever play this shit. They will come in, see that you can't play either DM or BEWD, and that the meta is just modern but slightly nerfed like >>540045771 >>540042804and give up.>>540048943>>540048859it's still fucked for most pet decksthere's fucking NINJA cards that have points. You can't even play shitty stuff like fucking BA in this. And again, whatever your petdeck is if it's shittier than NINJAS and somehow is zero points, you're not beating a slightly nerfed k9 VS even if you have 3 pot of greed in instead of needing points for engine
>mystic mine >100its over
>>540049171oh really?captcha
>>540049282Exosister and VS
>>540049381>Exosister unhitOh fuck that's miserable.
Yeah they should probably hit VSK9, Shifter, Dracotail, Lunalight some more. Apparently this is an alpha implementation? I'd imagine there's probably gonna be some extreme point shifts for the first few banlists
Assigning this many points to staples and handtraps is completely retarded. You can't physically go second in this format.
>>540048448links are too generic, so most of them would get hit without the ban.pends are just collateral damage. konami are not making new pend rules for a side format, while MR5 is still the main format
>>540048943nah fuck you my rogue deck is labrynth and i can't use it here
>>540049642You can. Gem Knights are almost untouched. You can buy 1 Brilliant Fusion + 3 Raigeki + 3 Forbidden Drip and fuck shit up.
>Legal in TCG>Unbanned in OCG a while back>100 PointsEternal fear.
so is VSK9 badonken on genesys?
>genesys format>Regenesis 33
>>540049864absolutely. this is gonna be a 3 deck format with vsk9, dracotail, and lunalight.
>>54004894399% of pet decks are garbage without generic links and floodgates
>>540049980And Gem Knight, you can absolutely play Gem Knight
>format bans pendtroonsFUCKING BASED
>>540049980you can't play lunalight, wolf and tiger are banned
at this point just make a smogon tier list based on how consistent and free an archetype is.
>>540050071Genuinely so fucking funny.Killing links I understand Killing pends like they were ever gonna do anything to begin with this format is just tewart hateboner
>>540049642>staples and most handtraps are too expensive to add without fucking up your point space>reeeeNah this is gonna make weird deck lists
is there a link to where the point system is? I want to check
>King of the Feral Imps 33Oh wait that isn't too bad, well I guess if future Ogdoadic support isn't too ass I can play Evol Ogdoadic in this format>>540050168Lunalights are still playable without both, it really only needs to make the Liger going 1st or 2nd to take games
>>540050168nothing is banned bro
>>540050315Except every Link and Pend
>>540050305brehjust scroll up
>>540050265yeah really weird decklists like pic related right>>540050315pends and links are banned, you genius
>>540050247>is just tewart hatebonerNo one likes pends tbf>>540050315Pretty sure he's talking about main deck Pendulums which are banned by default.
>>540050265No, it's going to make a die roll format. Decks can easily go first as easily as they do in typical TCG. Look at this shit >>540045771Build me a deck that can go second into that. That deck can't go second into itself.
>>540050305https://www.yugioh-card.com/en/genesys/
>>540050404Wait Smasher is not on the fucking list?!
why is purulia more expensive than fuwalos?
The more i think about it, the pend blanket ban is to thoroughly nerf Lunalight.
>>540050247killing pends mean less reading and casuals will try the game The anime ended at Zexal
>>540050404they should hang the faggot who came up with this stupid format instead of just releasing rush duels
Besides the VS people already brought up you can also still easily play Dracotail in this format. 3 Mululu, 1 Faimena, 2 Arthalion is 55 points. 3 of every name for consistency because you are -2 Faimena. KOTS Poly engine is free. Still 45 points for handtraps.
>they forgot to hit Pair-A-Dice Smasherwow, they uh, really did not hit VSK9 hard enough
>>540049558They would probably change the point system at some point to simplify the format and what cards can or cannot be used. Since the ED in general is far more well off than main deck cards to a drastic degree.
>>540050465Thanks
>>540050510Please play Vanquish Soul
Heros are actually pretty playable in this format. Not bad. Might try it.
finally this dogshit tcg is worth looking at againjust in time magic was becoming pretty awful
>>540050489>>540050624>It's trueWhat the hell?
gonna wait until people lab good decklists
>>540050404looks solid on paper
Well here's hoping they emergency banlist hit Vanquish Soul and Pair-A-Dice turnskip before any tournaments happen haha
>>540050903>magic was becoming pretty awfulIt was always awful, who the fuck would play that game?
>Rank-Up-Magic Raid Force | 1 point >Raidraptor - Vanishing Lanius | 5 points ???these cards suck ass, you don't even play them in raidraptor. This they confuse them with the other rank-ups and lanius cards?
>>540050997>Well here's hoping they emergency banlist hit Vanquish Soul and Pair-A-Dice turnskip before any tournaments happen hahathe absolute statelmao
>>540051156considering they literally hit the wrong mikanko card in their list, yes"2 years in the making" my fucking ass
>>540051270No you see it's a level 9 extender for VFD :)
>>540051156all rank ups are 1 point because S0 is 100
Wait why is Kali Yuga 77 and not 100
>>540050618100 points
I'm already not a big fan of Konami's alternative formats that go>we know you guys want us to fix the game and make it more balanced so that the garbage archetype you play can compete at locals but we can't do that hehe instead here's a side format for SISSIES like you where you might actually do somethingBut this just seems kind of lame ngl. We're already well past the point of Pendulum and Link summoning breaking the game in half and, while the points banlist is a cute idea, it doesn't change the fact that so much shit that's already strong in the main game is basically left untouched and will shit all over this format as well. At least it seems much more appealing than any of the other alt formats but really they should've just imported RUSH already and called it a day. Thank you for reading my post.
>>540051827>We're already well past the point of Pendulum and Link summoning breaking the gamethe pendulum/link restriction is not for balance anon, it's just to bait yugi boomers
>every single archetype discord is celebrating and link/pend ones are seething YUGIOH is...le saved???
>>540051989links were a terrible addition to the gamepends are whatever but no big loss to see them gone either
>>540052017No one but troons like Pends. Links are just a generic hit.
how do I play raye in this format
Will Yusei's SD succeed in this format?
best deck is a shifter deck
>>540052017The meta in this clown format will still be VS and Dracotail, there is nothing to celebrate.
>>540052180considering there's no links...with great difficulty
>>540052215Dracotail is fucked in a format with 3 shifter.
>>540051729I'm not playing anything that needs the gy in a shifter format sorry
>>540052306So is every petdeck
>>540052306you are aware that tear was the best deck in a format with 3 shifter right
>B-BUH SHIFTERjust play 3 called???? stupid
why are tons of dragonmaid cards on this list, isn't the deck pretty old and was never meta
>We have created a new format for weaker decks.Cool, I'll dig out my pure Adventurer deck. It was a pretty abused engine back in the day so I'm sure it got some points, but there's no way it'd be that bad when shit like Shifter is at 5 right?>Rite of Aramesir: 5Okay.>Water Enchantress: 5Okay.>Gryphon Rider: 20are you fucking kidding meHow in the world is Wandering Gryphon Rider more expensive than Ash Blossom?
>>540052470Awful comparison. DT is no Tear. VS is also very favored into DT. DT is playable, but it's nowhere near worth playing unless Konami wakes up tomorrow and kills VS for this format.
>>540052610Generic omninegate engine for what is conceptualized as a lower power format, although it probably didn't need to be 50 points for the whole package
>>540052576same with labrynth but you can make almost full power k9 VS with 100 points.The balance is pretty shitty
>>540052629DT gets to actually play their full engine at full power though. VS doesn't have link1
>Dimension Shifter 5>Different Dimension Ground 10
suship chads we are untouched
So it seems like>Gem Knight, Dracotail, Vanquish Soul needs more hits>Lunalight probably needs a few hits even with no Pends>Shifter needs to be way higher>a lot of cards and archetypes need significantly lower points, like Dragoon does not need to be 100 lmao, you can just box out Red Eyes Fusion if that's what you're concerned with>a lot more floodgates and turnskips need to be hit, why are Kali Yuga and Rhongo not 100?
>>540052758I'm not at all convinced that for vs it's worth paying for k9 cards instead of just running better nonengine
why is supreme king dragon starving venom 1 point? how are you even supposed to summon it?
>>540052936lab can search DDG
>>540052962ok how stupid is it I am considering these might actually be pretty good and other 0 cost decks because you can load up on the broken generic cards
Okay speedroid/windwitch is very nice playableNo Rubber Band and marble machine kinda sucks but you can play baronne again
>>540053209Look at all the Lab cards at 33desu having DDG at 10 is still dumb, that shit is not fun lol
>>540053219That would be reasonable and that's the whole point of the format.The thing is that Vanquish Soul is a 0 cost deck as well, which invalidates all the rogue 0 cost decks.
>>540051428raid force only summons raidraptors, and even if it was generic it has to summon something 1 rank higher so it still couldn't summon zexal
>>540053173Remnant from before they decided to ban Pends and Links from the format.
>>540053173cant you cheat it out with some of the poison plant cards
>>540053363Zexal summons itself by pitching a RUM Normal SpellThis is why RUM design had to be ass for years
>>540053363Read Zexal
>>540052731And if it were still 2022 I'd understand, but we're well past the point of turning off your normal summon in exchange for a negate is considered incredible. I'd understanding making it 5, MAYBE 10 just to be safe, but 20?! That's not for balance, that's just flipping people off.
>>540053363S0 simply needs to discard a rank-up
Hi everyone! Long time no see! I caught the announcement of the new Genesys Format and thought it'd be best to put my skills to good use.https://mieruhochun.github.io/GenesysCalc/I made a page that calculates the score for your decks. Just export the plaintext list from EdoPro, paste it in, and you're off! I hope you all enjoy!
>>540053518ip logger
>>540037990Its Konami job to make both formats fun to play and give incentives to invest in TCGGenesys is basically how to get to casuals
>>540053664If fun has been Konami's job they've sucked at it for a long time.
>>540037990The bar is already in hell from the perspective of this game's health. Something needed to be done, and this certainly is something.
>>540053518based mieru missed you sis
>>540053625You can look at all of the source code yourself :P https://github.com/MieruHochun/GenesysCalc/blob/master/GenesysPointCalc.js
>>540053625>>540053625nigger, 4chan as a whole is an ip logger, did the hack not teach you a thing?
>>540053664>Genesys is basically how to get to casualscasuals don't play the game because of how retarded powercreep became. this doesn't really solve that
>>540053625who gives a shit if meiru has a vague idea of where some random guy lives?
>>540053984no the biggest problem is that cards are expensive
Hopefully they plan on doing this list for every product release.DOOD is coming in 3 days so they can remember to hit some very important cards they forgot to hit in that time.Oh, since they do monthly products they could do monthly lists, like if Master Duel lists actually did anythingIt's a format that has the potential to be exciting if they iron out the obvious kinks
>>540054193cards have always been expensive. that's not a new thing.
>purulia is 10>fuwa is 7they really, REALLY fucking wanted VS to be the top dog here huhabsolutely fucking insane, i'm actually being completely put off from trying this format just for this horrendous level of blatant favouritism
>DOOD have major support for 2 pend deck>pends are nukedEh.....
>>540054193cards are free
desu I wonder if the reason why there's a separate database for Genesys is because Neuron is primarily a KoJ first thing
>>540054680what the fuck does neuron have to do with genesys
>>540053518https://x.com/YGOPRODeck/status/1970211458647752832big oof
Rip in piss fucking mistakes
jej I just had the thought of the reason why they put this out now is because DOOD is coming in 3 days and they can get player feedback on shit they forgot to hit or shit they hit too hard since they'd presumably have to update the list for each new set>>540054751KoA would probably want Genesys to easily work with the Neuron app no?
>>540053454oh, my mistake thenI genuinely forgot about his alt summon because I wasn't around during his original use and mainly just remembered him being hard summoned in numerons
>>540028089This is probably the stupidest thing ever.There are quite a few decks that just get trashed because they had a single link 1/2 (example: Traptrix without Sera is awful).And the point system sounds cool, but I feel it's unsustainable. For example, Ryzeal is hit hard by the point cap. But new stuff will come out, and it'll be more powerful than Ryzeal. So at some time the values of Ryzeal cards will go down, which allows Ryzeal to play more handtraps than before. Meanwhile decks whose engine didn't require any points is put at an inherit disadvantage because more powerful decks decreased in point value.Also the whole idea of "Events can be run at any point cap" just makes it more annoying to deck build because there's 500+ cards with a point value. So
I liked the points system in the old games, I'll reinstall edo to fuck around with the genesys format for a bit.
>>540054996>KoA would probably want [...] neuron to worklmao no.We still can't register to events and shit the same way europe can. KoA doesn't give two shits about neuron.
>>540055040>(example: Traptrix without Sera is awful).Holy fuck based format then
>>540053518based mieru
rushtrannies lost
>>540032802Because there is no Extra Monster Zone
>waaaaah why didn't they let people use pends and links>waaaaaaah why are there 500 cards on the points listpeople will say this and somehow not realize they're connected
>>540047295unplayable if you're not trying hard enough.
>>540055026It's a ridiculous card all around.
>>540055636>one big, one welcomeLITERALLY unplayable
give me the quick rundown on the genesys format
>>540055867interesting idea ruined by shitty points decisions and randomly banning all pends and links
>>540055867current meta is pretty much unchanged but a bunch of decks are unusable for no reason like fucking traptrix
What’s the pack after DOOD?
>>540055867pointless
>>540055867Are you uncapable of reading the ''make a deck with a point cap of 100 points'' part?
>>540055867Idea is interesting, execution is terrible.Why is total garbage like GB unplayable while VS gets to be full power?
>>540055867based since pendtroons and linktrannies are banished
>>540055867good idea but they decided to leave VS completely unhit so it's going to be a dogshit formated dominated by either VSK9 or pure VS with x3 shifter
This format giving us Tewart/Jerome's POV on what cards are arbitrarily broken or not is interesting, maybe concerning. Wind-Up Carrier, unplayed while it's been at 3 forever in OCG, is never coming off our list because they just don't like it. You can scroll anywhere on the genysissie banlist and find some example of this.
>>540055867Boomers won Anime ended at ZexalKoA finally killed pends and linksThis wil make Konami invest more in main format and now the """packfiller""" will have use
>>540055867Format would be great if they add an emergency hit to K9 and VS
>>540055983Burst Protocol.https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Burst_Protocol
>>540056238>Anime ended at Zexalanime ended at GX, you are a fake boomer
built for genysys will be the new built for duel links
>>540056454>Made for Duel Links>Made for Master Duel>Made for Tactical-Try Format>Made for Genesys format
every deck idea i am having gets hard shut down by shifter and VS, or there's like 1 random card they use that is stupidly expensive for no justifiable reason so you can't play it
VS being this strong turns me off so hard from this clown format, especially when some of the rogue decks I like have so many hits.Like take Ritual Beast for example>both Links banned>Lara and Elder cost 10 each>Teleport costs 40 eachAt first I was like yeah that's fine this is supposed to be lower power right? No, you can just play VS K9 with Pair-a-dice.
EVEN MIND DRAIN IS A FUCKING 100 COST CARD YOU AREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO USE MEME CARDS TO COUNTER VS WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CLOWN FORMAT
>>540056952Bro your Eye of Truth?
is VS really that strong with no rock?
It really needs like a Razen - 20, Hollie Sue - 40, Pair-A-Dice - 100, Shifter - 50 or something and then maybe some smatterings of more Dracotail/Gem Knight/Lunalight hits
>>540046331>Are you retarded? That is an insane prizeThat's the point.
>40 from zeus x2>10 from typhoon x1>30 from mirage of nightmare x3>15 from daruma karma cannon x3>95 points total, unless im missing somethingrequires some fine tuning, and maybe messing with the rations, but what do you guys think?(frog the jam is in there because it turns on primite howl)
>>540057032I played pure VS with Extrav and sometimes I would banish triple rock with it and I could still win the games just fine, I just had to be more careful with the tag outs to make sure I wouldn't lose Caesar and not let the game grind too much.VS K9 is a combo deck so it doesn't need to grind as much, for that deck it matters even less.
Idea doesn't work unless every single card gets a power-based point rating. Put the effort in or don't bother.
I refuse to believe djinn isn't viable, you can foolish it with berfomet/aerial eater and use it with code igniter -> firestarterI just need the engine that both fusions a fiend and makes a r4nk
>>540057032yes even with no rock the deck is still insane it's not even that important, specially because you have access to 3 sues unimpeded and get 2 shifters back basically for free so even if K9 is expensive you can straight up drop them because shifter is amazing (and without the link you are missing out on literally nothing if your cards get banished)even then, K9 aren't that expensive either except as a handtrap engine because the only K9 cards that have points are izuna, ripper and lupisjokull, lantern and case are 0 cost cards
>>540057396there are well over 10,000 cards in the game, and konami is right that only about 500 of them are worth anything
>>540054193Yeah and this is just a bandaid. Nothing stopping Konami from printing something new that just so happens to be really good yet low low cost in Genesys but is only printed at secret rare.
as a mid format its...fine? i know people who never tried YGO because link but specially Pends exist
>>540053664Genesys isn't going to get casuals. If casuals can't figure out how to count to 5 and look at arrows for link summons, they sure as hell aren't going to search through a 500+ card list to see if their deck is using too many points this month.
>boy i can't wait to play my war rock deck away from cancer decks like vanquish soul k9, thank god for this new form-oh, nvm.
>>540056665good fuck you
Anyone who thinks Pendulums created a more unbalanced game than Links is a retard
>>540057632this basically kills the ""packfiller"" complainThis will make petdecks usable or thats the idea
>Fissure and Macro not hituhhhhhh
>>540056952they fear the stunGODS
how are pendulum and links a problemthey're just part of the gamepeople are so fucking retarded
>>540058132>game was good before links>game became shit after linkshmmmwhat could it be
>>540056665>want to play Paleozoic rollback grind.dek>borger snow devil FTKs me>consider SUDA GBs as a fun deck>>540056116Genesys is like a custom tourney here where the TO's petdecks are the only things untouched, actually retarded. It's Jerome's 3x3.
>>540057546>there are well over 10,000 cards in the gameIt's their job. Get a few people on it and it would be done in a month at most>only about 500 of them are worth anythingAt any given time, sure, but there's been so much powercreep in the game's history that there are layers upon layers of cancer. Peel one away and you still have cancer. It's going to take a lot more effort than that to cultivate a format petdeck fags will enjoy
>>540058178the game is goodlinks were bad because of the arrow locking, that's not a thing anymorebut you probably haven't played since then i guess
>>540058132You are a casual that want to play a simple game and you get this fucking thingLiterally a casual repellentLinks abuse summons
>>540057931>this basically kills the ""packfiller"" complain>This will make petdecks usable or thats the ideayeah......unless your petdeck uses any links or any pends or relies on useful but not broken generic cards like e-tele and bonfire or they straight up decided to make its consistency card extremely expensive or it has no built-in handtraps since they all the good ones are too expensive or dies to shifter because there's nothing you can do against it or dies to mulcharmies because they all cost nothingwhat i'm saying is, this will make petdecks usable if your petdeck is VS
LinkGODS reign above all other summon methods. Pendulums are here too, I guess.
>>540057931Pretty poor implementation of the idea because I can think of at least 3 lower power petdecks of mine that either rely on links or only need a link 1 lmao.
>>540058301>the game is goodplayerbase and especially the MD playerbase disagrees
>>540058521>neymar
>>540058521>"Let's play eFootball(TM)!"el em ay o
>>540058521JUST MAKE PES AGAIN YOU FUCKS
>>540058521but /dng/ said crossovers bad...
>>540056325Oh. That’s going to be weird. It releases on the same day as the Albaz structure deck. At least for the OCG.
>>540058956alt art and token we are sill pure not like the RAPED fortnite TCG
>>540058521next yugioh pack leaked
>>540059223New
>>540058395you're american i guess
>>540053664You don't understand casuals, the average ygo player is a complete and utter retard and the average casual is even worse than that.
>>540043545Based
>>540058395Doesn't this shit just make a board of infinite negates without touching the extra deck?Last I recall they only use the link-3 blonde chick but I'm sure they could get by without it.
