Previous thread: >>540086696 Featured game by thumbnail: Tales of Mal'Eyal 4 >Are mystery dungeon games allowed in this thread? Generally yes, especially if you are straight, most mystery dungeon games(Shiren the Wanderer, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, Etrian Mystery Dungeon, etc.) can be considered roguelikes too >Is Elin/Elona allowed? Yes, they are roguelikes >Is Dwarf Fortress allowed? If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes though >FAQ https://l.idrix.fr/J7sOv >What to Play https://l.idrix.fr/eYNOh >Individual Game Pastas https://l.idrix.fr/wXd8t >Roguelike Archive (Collection of pretty much every free roguelike there is) https://archive.org/details/ArchiveRL.7z >/rlg/'s "official" Cataclysm: DDA fork https://github.com/cataclysmbnteam/Cataclysm-BN/releases >News26 Sep 2025 - Rogue Operator: Trinity v0.5 released18 Sep 2025 - Shamogu v1.0.0 released Itch.io14 Sep 2025 - Steam Sky 11.0.5 released11 Sep 2025 - Sulphur Memories: Alchemist 0.4.1 released6 Sep 2025 - Diabaig v1.0.0 released >/rlg/'s shared DCSS online account User: rlgrobin Password: ownfault (or "robin" on Xtahua) Roguelike Servers https://angband.live/ (Angband and variants)
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>>540907925>>540908259Can't believe you fagposted this in both threads, lmao
>>540908660The roguelite poster is copying shit over because xhe is retarded and wants to bait people.
What's with the sudden influx of schizos lately?
>>540909907I think the saddest part is that this schizo has beef with a dead general of all the places.I don't think it's a new schizo.
>been trying MfSh for a while now>I was hard walled mid lair last week>now I can't get past d5 90% of the timeWhat's going on here? There really shouldn't be very much variation, the entire time I've been going armorless, unarmed, and not using spells. Is there really this much variance in RNG, or am I actually somehow getting much worse at the game?I tested out a DEFE just to check and made it to one rune before faulting with little difficulty but that's a really different playstyle so I don't know if it means anything.
>>540910103It seems the new versions buffed up the early dungeon floors and sometimes you get completely shat on if you're mindlessly otabbing.I've been trying to get into Depths for a week and only once I could. But it was because I've been playing like shit and disrespecting everything like in the good ol' days, and feels like I need to lose that part of my muscle memory to advance further.
I will ascend roguelikes narratively
ragu
>make thread>thread is "bait" because the retards don't approve of it (drama queens want to make the thread)justice for my nigga >>540905945
>>540795358 (Cross-thread)Respen isn't subtractive, it's multiplicative.50% lightning respen vs. 67% lightning res67 * 0.5 = ~33 lightning resif he dealt 1k damage in one instance to you, you'd take (1000 * (1 - 0.33)) damage, or 670 damageYou took 2/3 of what you'd normally take which is non-negligiblelightning res isn't bad to have just in case you get caught off guard or can't keep 100% downtime on disabling him but it should not be the primary defensive strategyThe main thing is to get 100% stun+daze resistance by either forging quartz onto rings or getting lucky with shops+drops, or doing both. His primary damage source stems from a debuff that he can apply when landing any Lightning attack. Usually I can get 100% stun+daze res on gear before Dreadfell which is when you're supposed to fight Urkis. Usually taking him on after first prodigy is wise.
I require new H roguelikes
>>540915381Story roguelikes are shit
>>540931160What H roguelikes have you played?
>>540931160Be the change you wanna see, go make an H roguelike
>>540931160Silksong
>>540933160Maidensnow Eve, D&P, and uhhhhhhhhhhh
>>540934936Can you get me links?
>>540939538It's on the bin
>>540939908Oh nice, do any of them dip into the life sim/sandbox territory or are they all more just dungeon crawlers?
>>540940274Elona/Elin are sandbox + dungeon crawlMaidensnow Eve is just dungeon crawl
>>540940615>Elona/Elin are sandbox + dungeon crawlI know which is why I'm asking if any of the H roguelikes are like them, I want to play Harem Harvest Moon.
>>540940832Still waiting for sex animation mods to come out
>>540909907>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>lately
>schizos leaves>thread dieslmao
>>540952039Who exactly is the schizo here?
uh huh
Friend got me to pick up Barony and it's fun enough for friendslop.The movement & kiting mechanics don't seem like the kind of thing that could be ported to a proper roguelike, but the leveling and item durability would make for a decent mini roguelike imoAny games that do this?
>>540959680I think most roguelikes have some form of leveling up. tome4 has extensive class system. Too many classes for its own good maybe.idk about item durability. DDA probably has it. DCSS has wands.
>Elin talkNow I'm reinstallingThis is gonna be a shitshow to get back in to
>>540960129To be more specific, Barony has several skills that range from 0 to 100, but rather than accruing experience points they just have a % chance to increase by 1 whenever you use the skill.Similarly, every item (nearly all of them track durability) has a % chance to lose durability when you use it. It's simple and works great for a small scale game like this
>>540953420Personally I feel it's the guy who made two additional /rlg/ threads just to shitpost.
>>540960432DCSS has a skill training system where exp you gain are allocated to skills in training, which is probably the closest.
Hordes 2.0 came to DDA, what's baby nights doing?>buffing players x10000Oh right.
>>540159108For me its Dread Helm + Red Axe. If I can get these two, I know I can rape the King if I can get into melee rangeNeeded Albaz, Phoenix, Pyromaniac, and Path of Fire wins so I threw this thing together and pretty sure I got carried by the items
>>540964359You are supposed to show stats.
>>540967042Does it matter?
>>540967202Yes.
What's the appeal of Path of Asscrack?
>>540968754Build autism like diablo games without any reflex or time sunk
>>540970414emphasis on without any reflex
>>540968754Build autism + streamlined gameplay so you can get some of that roguelike fix in like 20-30 minutes
>>540958318hopefully they actually make it difficult
>>540959680I wanna say, uh... Slimy Lichmummy does durability?The sort of shitty one- The Last Door -has a criminal durability system but it's not great.
Looks like Jupiter Hell Classic is now worth buying. It got an update with more content on it and it doesn't feel like you're playing a beta access game anymore.
>>540967202How else do you get bragging rights?
>>540897429I play on 300-400% monster spawns and have sat on rooftops making sticks to resume stabbing zombie hordes with. I have seen basic zombies break window walls and collapse small parts of the roof, which is trivial to avoid. I have never once seen a basic zombie get to the rooftop. What mechanic enables it?
>>540992689I just thought people would be more interested in the random generated poem than the actual highlights of how well the build performed. That's the only reason I posted it in the first place. Because I like cocks so much.
WE'RE IN HERE>>540905945>>540905945>>540905945>>540905945>>540905945
>>540997382Fuck off, retard.
>>540997382Maybe the faggot should've updated the >News section if they wanted to start a new general thread so badHave some fuckin standards
Jesus fucking christ I thought the Vor pride was uniquely rough, but Rakshor blasted me up the ass too. If not for Unstoppable and a bunch of OP healing options I would have died. I can't imagine waltzing into this on Insane or on Roguelike mode.
>>540995847To be honest I never read the stats screen and forgot to cap it before I had clicked past itWould have liked to know how many Divine Interventions I triggered, if I remember right it was a LOT. Before I got Red Axe + Dread Helm near the end of the first map I was barely hanging. Took Vigor for most of my level ups for the full heal.
>>540998845Those last dungeons get pretty wild with the damage spikes they reach, and some of them even have motherfuckers at the very entrance waiting you to oneshot you immediately after you press a button.You really have to prepare for everything before entering this part of the game.
Any good dreamer builds for PoA?
>>541001269Imp Sorcerer Dreamer of MehtahRedeal chain or bust, Ice Form+Mirror Image is not bad.Ask if you don't know how to Redeal yet.You could do Priest instead of Sorcerer maybe, it's extra busted if you can do a form-swap chain.Mehtar isn't great either, Agara or Eresh are probably baller pickups.
Alright, I ended up finging al of the best transformation talismans here at Elves 3.Roxanne drops Statue Form and Bai Suzhen drops Dragon Form, both guaranteed. Storm Form is really fucking solid, giving some insane evasion and even giving a bit of AC, but the real deal of this form is the amount of damage it shits out per second. It has cleave, which isn't that important now that I'm playing with the Wu-Tang Clan and those dudes already give you cleaving if you move around the targets, but it also gives you a blink that repositions your ass near someone you want to kill, blasts everyone on the line of said blink and recharges pretty quickly too. And you can even use Serpent's Lash after it to ensure you're killing whatever you're near in a couple of moves.I'm only lacking the Death Form talisman before I tackle extended, but last time I cleared all Hells with Statue Form and Pan with Sphinx Form, so I don't know.I'll try not to die to Tomb again this time around.
>>541001269I like doing frostpulse personally
Actually I wasn't quite satisfied with the items I rolled, so I ran it back
Oh DCSS players of the general, is this a retarded skill allocation?(The amulet is -tele, rElec, regenMP+, Int/Dex +3)I found Poisonous Vapors to go with the Alchemy Staff (which I think is pretty strong without investment) and I want to try getting Permafrost Eruption castable since I found Boots of Earth +1 already.
>>541008297Seems like the Abyss had a way to stop me from winning.If they can't kill me, they're just gonna hold me in here forever.I've been pressing the wait button for like 5 minutes and nothing has happened.Let me out.LET ME OUT
>>541015010You're trying to boost too many skills at once. You gotta focus on one thing you want to do at the start, because that's the thing that will let you kill and, more importantly, to not get killed.Permafrost Erupion is not only an Earth spell, but also Ice, and it's also a level 6 one so it's not gonna be online for a looooong time, so I'd suggest you traet those boots as a normal +1 pair of boots.Poisonous Vapour are pretty easy to cast and they don't do much if you get their power up, so only get a level in Alchemy and Spellcasting to get it online. I don't think it's a good investment of early exp, but it's not that much and it's basically a guaranteed poison on some dangerous things like early scorpions and ogres.
>>541015095Another reason to hoard tele scrolls I guess.
>>541016427I ended up digging my way out with a wand that I didn't want to use because I wasn't expecting to be betrayed and trapped in the Abyss for 10,000 turns.
Geez Louise this is fucking tense. Admittedly, this has been MUCH easier than my Paradox Mage run; basically cruise control to cool. I know PM is insanely strong, but at my low level of game knowledge there's a world of difference between juggling dmg reduction buffs while squishy and needing to do convoluted combos to do damage vs just naturally being tanky and regenerative. It's also much more obvious what kind of tier 5 gear is good on Berserker for me. So as I did the prides I got stronger and stronger until, while threatening, they were very manageable. Basically no idea what the high peaks are going to be like though.
>>541021752good luck
>>541022780It's that easy.I'm so fucking pumped. It's so rare for me to beat a roguelike. Sure, this is on Adventure difficulty, and I just got a ton of cracked Berserker loot that carried me, but I did it. like 25~ hours on this character. Amazing. Can't believe it happened when on a run I started just to unlock Oozemancer.Thanks to everyone who provided tips here, it helped a lot.
>>541027212gjInsane/roguelike berserker won't be fun at all I can assure you
>>541027335Heh, I probably won't play Berserker ever again. I just played it since it was the first class I had played and I was a bit curious what it'd feel like with a proper built. Answer: It's kind of cool but I don't like how low their damage is. Being literally incapable of fighting bulwarks half the time fucking sucks.
>>541029221Bulwarks and Demonologists will counter most weapon classes, not just Berserker because that's just how effective armor is; you need armor pen or just gratuitous amount of stats to bypass their armor.That said, Berserker is definitely a low damage class. Most melees do more than twice the damage of this class.I hope you tried Flexible Combat prodigy, it's a massive damage boost to all melees.
do you guys talk about relevant games or just oldshit no one plays anymore
>>541029518Name a game and we'll tell you if it's welcome. Pretty simple, yeah?
>>541027212GG anon. Any plans on trying a higher difficulty?
Is gensoband good?
>>541031147Yeah, I want to get an insane win I think, though that might be pretty hard. I also want to play each class at least once since each one seems so cool and fun. Though that will be very time-consuming.
>>541033741It's a *band game, if you enjoy those and enjoy 2hu, you're gonna have a good time.*bands are a bit difficult to get into tho, so be prepared.
>>541002842>>541011862Interesting.
>>541037059I've never played a *band, why is it hard to get into?
>>541041134You need to keep some of the stat screens open up in other windows for most of them, instead of having all of the info on the same window of the game, for one.It's also all ASCII which can be hard to get used to if you've been playing modern roguelikes with graphic tiles.Other than that, they tend to be pretty long, with a lot of ways to get you killed out of nowhere if you don't spoil yourself beforehand, but that could be true of a lot of games in the genre so that one gets a pass.
>Remember I didn't set Contingency>Spend a turn to activate it for this unique fight>Misclick the spell I want>Turn it off>That costs a turn btw>Misclick a spell>Misaim a second spell>Press the wrong button for another spell>So flustered I don't realize the enemy threw a shield up at 2%>ownfaultI hate this fucking game
>>541044862You have to admit, it's impressive to have such extreme mechanical failure in a turn based game with infinite time to make choices.
>>541029518I think you already know the answer. Look inside your heart.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3602290/FEMBOY_FUTA_HOUSE/ found it
>>541048898>it's realkek, I kinda thought that guy made a fake zip file to put in his screenshot, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised
>>541044862what game?
>>541050021ToME4
>>541050021Tales of M-preg E-girls 4
>>541045509At no point did I consider my own life could be in danger. Truly the ultimate brainrotter
>>540920101Is this the viorated version?
trying to control the game with the mouse in ascii tiles is total dogshit jesus fuck
>>541052467what game
>>541052494dwarf fortress
>>541052467i sure wish tarn didnt fucking nuke keyboard controls from the game entirely and redesign the game around gaudy graphics that make fortresses look empty as hell
>>541052467It's honestly impressive how he somehow managed to make the UI worse.
>>541053129it's fine in graphical mode i guess but its pretty borked in ascii mode. Windows with tabs you have to click on look ugly as hell, mouse control means you frequently fuck up when trying to click the tiny tiles to designate things, and some screens/buttons straight up dont even have text but they do in graphical mode
Dwarf Fortress has fallen...Billions must Rimworld
horror game roguelikes
>>541056667I really wish there were proper horror roguelikes. Closest ive seen is unexpected skeletal juggernaut/Kraken jumpscare on cataclysm tiles. So much untapped potential.
How would you go about making a turn based game with no animations scary though. There are definitely tense situations in roguelikes, but I don't think I've ever felt any fear beyond fear of losing my run
>>541056667>Infra Arcana Pumps hard, no notes. Pretty difficult, too.>Door in the WoodsI regret every playing it. Piss poor performance (how the fuck do you make an ascii tileset this badly??), mediocre gameplay, no end state in mind- Just a stack of shitty meta-progression mechanics.>CataclysmThe only thing scary about it is how tedious and unfun it is to play. Maybe do something about there being 900 crafting recipes to scroll through, you fuckin losers. You don't need this much granularity and tedium.>QuasimorphThe premise is scary, the setting is gory, the gameplay is... Ok. One leg out of the roguelike genre already, I think the faction system is big gay>Roguelegends: Dark RealmsGood candidate for Spooktober. Everyone download it and meet back in 24 hours to discuss
>>541058967Oh, almost forgor>DRL/JH/JHCI don't really get the DRL/JHC dichotomy- Apparently the dev feels upsetti that he had to make the more widely appealing Jupiter Hell to not starve to death/get away from the Doom IP and The Visionâ„¢ is a nittier grittier harderer game.Not spooky. Just horror themed. Great game(s)
>>541056667how can you be scared in a turn based game
>Horrible undead monster>Its an "L"
>>540961158Does DDA still run like complete shit if you stockpile a bunch of items in your base? I've been thinking of giving pocket simulator another run but DDA's in-base FPS death feels even worse than late stage DF.And have they added an auto-heat-frozen-food system yet or do they still expect you to manually unfreeze everything when you're hungry while reading/crafting in your base?
>>541059214Unkillable monster/psycho killer relentlessly pursue you during the entire game
>>541059852Only if it pops into your vision with absolutely no warning, then fucks off for a while. If you see it and it just murders you, that ruins all the tension. You see and get murdered by a lot of enemies in roguelikes. It'd also be really funny if it followed you around the dungeon and closed doors.
>>541058913Spooky sounds and music or lack of it, light as an actual big mechanic, gritty and scary graphics (pure ascii just isnt scary sorry), survival and puzzle type of gameplay over pure action where each enemy has specific weaknesses and interactions with the elements of the game.The eventuality is always that no matter how scary you make a game people grow accustomed to doing the same content over and over so you should try to sprinkle in a bunch of rare random events and enemies that completely fuck with player's expectations and understanding of the game's rules.Good example of this would be Quiet Farmstead in CDDA where instead of the usual location full of enemies that you can just blast trough with your gigastatted chad, you walk into a location that looks suspiciously safe and empty at first glance that then traps you into a timed puzzle with warped enviroment and ominous messages about your character's approaching demise as you try to complete it and the only way to escape with your life is to finish the puzzle in time.TL;DR: Fear and Hunger but roguelike
Horror is inherently non roguelike. The latter expects you to replay the game over and over, while horror depends heavily on the first time experience.
horror is being in your 30s posting in the roguelike general
>>541060273That's terror.
>>541060273
>>541060324You have a single fact to black that ass up?
Does anyone have any tips for baby tank bastards in shiren sfc/snes? I can't seem to figure out how they operate. Like sometimes they'll move and shoot in the same turn but sometimes they just move and don't shoot.
>>541053616what I really want is the graphical UI on top of the ASCII map
>>541059616>thinking Kevin would do anything to make the game betterHordes 2.0 is just an excuse to lag and inconvenience the player more.
>>541059616>Does DDA still run like complete shit if you stockpile a bunch of items in your baseYesI killed a bunch of Zs outside my house, dragged them all together to loot easier and the slowdown of their piled items was fucking ridiculousHad to make a burn pile
>>541058727Where do you encounter a kraken?
>>541065349in the sea (lake)
>>541029518there has been like 3 relevant games made in this genre in the past 10 years
>>541067808>relevant gamesI bet you can't name even one.
>>541029518Why would I talk to a pig about food? I don't consume slop and of course my finely crafted, albeit simple, meal is too far out of your comprehension as to why it is crafted that way. We have nothing to talk about.
is this the roguelike thread?
>>541073948I want to start a tome run but I know it's at least 25h before I can finish it and just turn it off instead.
>>541074429Why not give it an hour or two of your time and see if it sticks with you? I started Elona last month and accidentally put 80 hours into it. That game can teleport me across the day so quickly.
>>541074429what's the best way to play this on a 4k screen?i tried 200% font and half the ui wasn't upsized so you had the same tiny windows just with huge font.and now i'm trying 200% zoom and it's just fuzzy all over.
I savescum roguelikes, is that ok?
>walk around in the first area>kill some wolves and slimes>auto-explore is z, cool>find rock>behind rock are bees>suddenly i am a [bee] summoner
>>541074882There is some option that scales up ... tile size I think. It might say something like 32x32
>>541070373qud :)
looking at global chat, me and a couple other guys got this.i'm level 6.there's a lot of talents and i don't really know what's good. my guy started with two infusions and they've been saving my ass
>>541079065First public Qud release was 15 years ago.
>>541079550update: i died.went into some sort of magic tower and got surrounded by skeleton mages. i didn't have any form of escape.apparently this game has some chance to be brought back to life by void jesus, since i died about four times trying to get out of that room i foolishly entered. i wish i had a rocket launcher to just nuke that whole room instead of being forced into melee.
>>541056667
>>541060172>Playing Roguelike>Find puzzle>Take your infinite time to look up a spoiler because you don't want to splat after 12 hours on one character, like a responsible player
>>54106780890
>>541084486This is why streamlined strategy/tactics forward roguelikes like DCSS are what people play and spoilerfests are historical oddities to look at and call interesting, like a uranium glass bowl
>>541080334elin
>>541088714>sequel to an obscure Japanese child breeding simulator>"""relevant"""I mean yeah I can't come up with a real argument for why it wouldn't be. I'll have to give you that one.
>>541070373Cogmind(Shilling)Rift Wizard 1/2Jupiter HellPath of AchraStone Sh-Uh...Shattered Pixel?Quasimorph IS popular, even if the faction system is turbo gay. Not out though.Is Golden Krone out?
>>541041134It's like crawl's lategame resistances checklist, except the whole game is like that, and even moreso.
>>541079065>>541093627Elin currently has 5 times as many players on steam compared to Qud and twice as many compared to Dwarf Fortress.
>>541093627elin has more people playing it than the fighting games i play
>>541095909How do I resist raw magic?
Speaking of Elin, did they nerf flowers to bait?I noticed my arrows not decomposing.Hammering compost is still decent though
the music in ToME is a bit lackluster
>>541080798Ask voidbro to send you elsewhere, basically never respawn where you were. It puts all enemies back at max HP and puts you in the middle of them, which in 99.999% of cases is objectively worse than starting elsewhere (on the world map) and approaching on your own terms.
>>541106095thanks anon.is it better to take stat points or these talents for quest rewards? on the one hand, i'm cucked by stats for stuff like mastery. but on the other hand, new talents categories seem a hard to come by
>>541107783I'm not an expert, but it depends a lot on character and build. Much of the time you'll end up with 100~ effective points of your main stat, so the bonus here is not huge (5%~), whereas a talent can be character-morphing to some degree. So I usually try to study the talents hard and see if they can be useful to me in any way, and only if none can do I pick the stats.
>>541107783It depends on your class, but when in doubt, always pick whatever stats your class uses.If you find a Tinkerer class, that one's pretty good to unlock for anything you're playing as.Other notabe abilities you can consider if they get offered are Curse of Death/Impotence, Premonition, Chant of Fortress/Fortitude, Foresight, Track and Vitality. Nt all of these are a must pick (unlike Tinker tree which is always worth considering and investing into if you find it), but most of them do well by just picking them up without needing to synergize with anything else you might be building.
Chemistry worth picking ever for the salves? I see lots of items in the physics tree that can help my build but nothing in chemistry besides maybe salves. A lot of the resistances that you can get from chemistry gear my character eventually gets as immunities
>>541109431I think the Tinker is a one-time unlock and that guy doesn't show up after you unlock the class.
>>541110913Oh, right; you actually have to unlock that shit by doing some of the orc DLC campaign.It's pretty fucking good and worth going through that DLC up to that point if you have it tho.
>>541108105>>541109431is there some way in-game to tell how to unlock classes? no spoilers, please.so far i've only unlocked summoner, but it seemed pretty weak compared to shieldbro.i started as a human and used my category talent to add a rune slot for teleport. i'm deciding between a random 15-tile teleport and a 4-tile directed teleport.fun story, i didn't pick up the transmog chest in the tutorial fight so i was struggling with enc for a bit
>>541111334Hovering over the locked bit will give a hint. But not a very detailed one.In general, if you strive to "do everything," you'll unlock most things. Like doing every quest, doing every zone, killing hard enemies, etc. But there are some really tricky or niche ones.
>>541111334Nope, you just do quests and play the game and sometimes you unlock things.I'm not too fond of that concept, but at least it makes you play different things before you always roll the OP classes.
>>541059616>Does DDA still run like complete shit if you stockpile a bunch of items in your base?it does lag, eventually. i have five or six tiles full of loot that's just dumped on the floor in my base, several followers working, and it feels like the game gets a little slow.but i don't really think it's a serious issue. opening the search nearby items menu takes about half a second once you have that many items but most games have that kind of delay anyway
>>540907597>If it's adventure mode, yes, that could be considered a roguelike, the same can't be said about its other modes thoughThen which general do I post very dumb questions about the game? This isn't trolling, I did a ctrl-f and couldn't find anything under "Dwarf Fortress" besides here.
>>541117647There’s usually a thread up on /vst/
>>541117647last i checked, dwarf fortress thread was in >>>/trash/
>>541117647I think the Dwarf Fortress general got killed a while ago, I don't remember when.Not a lot of people play it here, so your question might take a while to be answered. I forgot to where they went, so check out the other videogame boards and see if you can find them in /vst/ or /vrpg/ or something.
>>541118209Oh, fantastic! Thank you so much, I forgot that was even a board. Haha!
>>541118342Most people do. I only look at them when there's nothing in here about a particular game.
>>541100789It's been nerfed for a while. From what I've heard is that it's still good, but not nearly as crazy as before. Another way to get a lot of raw compost is to make meat sculptures from corpses and dump them into the compost bin.
>>541121436>make meat sculptures from corpses and dump them into the compost bin.Sweet, I'll try that out.Always have bulk left over meat since I'm not levelling strength
>>541121906You don't even need to use fresh meat, you can just keep a mass grave next to your sculpting bench and make the sculptures out of rotten meat whenever you need more bait.
soulash? soulash ii?
>>541117647Honestly it's fine if you just post here.There's also /civ4xg/ (it has strategy games and city builders, not just civ) and /indie/, and there are often threads in >>>/vst/
>>541117647just post in the rimworld general, it's basically the same game
>failed to save the real threadI'm disappointed s-m-h
>he wanted to save the threadyou can't even get the word filter right
>>541128513If you're so vindictive about people using a thread to talk abut roguelikes to the point of creating a second one just to spite 7 people on the internet, I can only recommend you to step away from the computer for a while, go take a bit of sun and breath some fresh air.
>>541056667Every roguelike is a horror game.>extremely punishing fail condition>every enemy can kill you>entire game is exploring a pitch black dungeon full of horrible monsters>incredibly stressful and difficult even while being turn basedAn fps realtime version of a roguelike would be heartattack inducingly stressful. Even the first person nethack mods are kinda spooky. Actually that's something we could use, more first person roguelikes with sprites. Not lites either, the same exact gameplay only it's 2.5/3d. It's much more fun to explore mazes from the ground, and everything can look much cooler and more detailed when it doesn't have to be tiny tiles.
>>541130072The main issue there is in information. While it might be more tactile, it means that a monser right next to you takes up 90% of the possible pixels on screen, leaving 10% to communicate every remaining enemy to you. Might be some way to make it work, probably by making interaction with that single monster more involved, but that's a change in gameplay.
>>541117647>>541118209>>541118269>>541118305genuinely dont get the point of gatekeeping df out of the rlg threads when its considered to be a major pillar of the trad roguelike genre at this point. Yeah, it doesnt play exactly like coq or angband or whatever but to say it's not a roguelike is silly and just keeps people out of the thread based on a "definition" that people who play roguelikes havent been able to agree on for 30+ years anyway
>>541130668bodyblocking and sightlines would obviously be more important, as would lighting.I think it would be a neat effect. Smaller more common enemies would be shorter and narrower, letting you easily look around and see most of everything if you're fighting say orcs or wolves, but then giant horror monstrosities from hell or dragons bodyblock half the screen and are basically walking walls of flesh. It's a good contrast, especially if the goal is a horror game. There's also the unique possibility of adding in vertical features if you go 3d. Actual staircases/bridges/flying/swimming. Really impractical and difficult top down, very easy and natural in first person.
>>541130972you are confused because most of what you said is entirely made up, by you, for you. and doesn't survive an encounter with reality
What's the go with these symbols?Last time I played they weren't there
>>541130972Ignore this fucker, it's not the guy that was asking about Dorf Fort.I was about to type an actual response before catching that.
>>541130972It's not gatekeeping, the adventure mode of DF is just so incredibly shallow and almost unplayable that no one outside of the DF general has any experience with it.
>>541131419>>541131446>>541131554elitist ass general holy fuck
>he hated them because the told the truth
>>541133935>we don't know that one>elitistIf you have the knowledge, then answer the questions. Simple as.Probably, someone DOES have the knowledge, but no questions have actually been asked, so none have been answered. It's rather hand to gatekeep something which isn't trying to get in in the first place.
>>541134443You're responding to ragebait made to bump up the thread bro. Don't think too much about it.
>>541135026Regardless of the intentions of the speaker, I have opinions on the topic.So I state them.Don't give two fleas that he's bullshittin. It's not my problem.
>>541052467It's fine if you tweak the colorscheme to the old one or anything not completely eye-blasting and designating with the mouse isnt horrible after you get used to it but the no text on certain buttons is obviously a problem.
>>541135232nobody asked
>USB devices not recognizedYeah I'm not turning on tome4 again
>>541122661More like soulass lmao
>about to die>level up>suddenly fully healed, win the fighttome is like one of those korean mangas
>>541147687Pretty sure Jupiter Hell was made in some kind of custom engine. Probably something made from scratch.
>>541148798ignore that I switched to the roguelike discord and didn't realize
>>541130972>genuinely dont get the point of gatekeepingOf course a parasite would say this
roguelikes?
>gatekeeping your hobby is le bad
>>541155564I agree with your side and that image is an embarrassment.
>>541056667This game is coming out soon https://store.steampowered.com/app/2005870/House_of_Necrosis/
>>541155564>gatekeeping your hobby worksEvery single decision concerning "what you like" is dependant on the governing authority.This isn't Sunday poker, you can't gatekeep shit when thousands if not millions of people are involved.
>>541157382You think millions of people are involved with rougelikes?
>>541157703Not like I expected a response that wasn't retarded.
>>541158240Make a retarded point, get a retarded counterpoint
>>541158240Oh, you wanted a NOT retarded point. Sorry, that didn't seem to be what you were going for, so I settled for prompting you to continue.Zero decisions concerning what I like are dependent on any authority at all. If an authority decided that steak was made of sawdust, I would still like steak. The steak I like would still be made of meat. The steak I like would just be a different concept from the steak the authority governed. An alteration of an external concept does not alter an internal concept.The topic wasn't "does it work" the topic is "is it good". The midpoint between those is "is it worth doing", but that's a conversation for after you've decided how good, how effective, and how expensive it is. Switching between the three freely just halts all possibility of meaningful and not retarded conversation. While it's true that you can't halt the flow of millions of people choosing to do things which they enjoy. Gatekeeping people out of playing dwarf fortress seems really really hard. Even gatekeeping people out of calling DF fortress mode a rougelike would be basically impossible if they all decided to do that, because you can't gatekeep other people out of their own actions, particularly when they will never read what you say. You can gatekeep what discussion you willingly engage in on a tiny thread, cause that's not hard, and that's the gatekeeping in question.Now I'm going to go gatekeep a glass of water into my body, and I'm going to do it despite the fact that thousands of people, if not hundreds, are involved with water.
>>541160440>While it's true that you can't halt the flow of millions of people choosing to do things which they enjoy. Gatekeeping people out of playing dwarf fortress seems really really hard. Even gatekeeping people out of calling DF fortress mode a rougelike would be basically impossible if they all decided to do that, because you can't gatekeep other people out of their own actions, particularly when they will never read what you say.So despite your retarded rant, you're agreeing with me.
>>541133986>>541134443>>541135026>>541135232>>541153104im just saying that gatekeeping df out of a roguelike space is wild when its been widely hailed as a triumph of the genre for decades at this point despite it's technical gameplay differences>https://youtu.be/4-7TtPX5uhg
>>541161560Aint nobody done thatit's in ur head bb boiThe OP straight up says it is allowed
>>541161439Well, I think gatekeeping my hobby works, and that that quote is true.
>>541161937no one plays df for the adventure mode lol
>>541162402Last five times I installed it I only played Adventure mode. Checkmate atheists.
You think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
Top 5 methods to roguelike myself?
>>541166830How do you roguelike yourself?
How furry constitutes distressingly furry?
>>541166416Did the toad add adventure mode back to the steam release yet?
>>541166906Go to the city sewers pretending to be on a grand adventure, then lie face down in the water
>>541171131No, Tom Hanks, no!
>>541131419>and doesn't survive an encounter with realitySounds like me and my attempts to find an Arborus build that works.
Started playing this recently , you guys have any tips ?
>>541178790Just b urself
>>541178790Stop being a slavnigger
Why are mesugakis not popular anymore? Was it just a fad? Are virgins that insecure? Roguegaki/Gakilike when?
>>541185384This sounds like an /2dhg/ question
>>541185384There's still a decent amount of mesugaki content being released, you can find new releases fairly often on DLsite
Can someone provide sound, logical reasoning for classic roguelikes needing ETERNAL updates? Why can't they just be released, done and over with? Why do they always need "fixing"?The constant "updating" just seems to result in degeneration of the game's nature to suit a specific handful of players. I don't get it.
>>541189026Because most of the time the devs can't think of everything upon release. No human is perfect. And everything men creates is a work in progress in the first place.
>>541189026it's difficult to tell apart legitimate criticism from degeneration to suit suiting a specific handful.
>>541189026Because players become tired and bored of the same roguelike. You need to inject something completely new into the formula, infinite permutations can't fool the human brain from thinking it has already seen it all.
>>541178983>>541179093Hmm...
players are tired of roguelikes period
>>541193256roguetired should be a genreIt's like roguelike except the game plays itself and you only control the character at a higher level>decide if the character is a risk taker or a scaredy cat>decide which equipment the character goes into a dungeon with>decide the level ups
>>541193376So path of asscrack?
>>541193376All returns to cookie clicker
>>541189772No game is expected to be perfect. Some of the greatest games of all time aren't (e.g., TES III), but they're loved as long as they've got SOVL.>>541190246Then no changes should be made other than bugfixing.>>541191508There are myriads of RLs, and even more if we count forks. Which is the point: if you wanna change something, just make a new fork or whatever.
>>541193763Somewhat, but leaning heavily into you (the player) controlling an AI retard. The game provides knobs that allow you to tune, but never fully control the character's behavior.
>>541194237>There are myriads of RLs, and even more if we count forks. Which is the point: if you wanna change something, just make a new fork or whatever.Don't act obtuse over something this simple. You were talking about a singular roguelike getting updates, changing. That inherently implies things changing or staying the same within one project, one roguelike, and argument is about that and only that. 'Play a different game/fork' is not a valid respone because the developer of one roguelike, the only person in control of change, is the developer of only that one, specific game and only has interest in things concerning it. You, as a consumer, might hop onto a different thing if you want something different, he can only change that one thing he cares about. Expecting him to make a new fork/game for every change is absurd, especially since the same is achieved by you downloading an older build.Roguelikes get updates because the players want it, and therefore the developer wants it. Those few who don't can still play old builds. There, two different levels of 'why' answered, now stop asking dumb questions and play something.
necromancers seem interesting
>>541194237>Then no changes should be made other than bugfixing.that would result in a product which is overall worse
hmm i've played for a long time but barely got past the first bit.this seems to be a really long game
>>541196846The campaign is 25h long.If you have the orc DLC then the campaign there is 8h long
>>541196039>'Play a different game/fork' is not a valid respone because the developerThe post I replied to saying that was the one to mention players getting tired as the reason for the changes, which, as you yourself are implying and somehow thereby also contradicting yourself, has nothing to do with the game, but with their desire for something different/new; in which case they're welcome to try another RL, not arbitrarily deface an established one to fit their every want and need. Much like you're trying to do with my conversation: if you think it's dumb, ignore it and/or talk about anything else; no one's forcing you to reply, so why are you trying to force ME to stop posting? Likewise, audiences should force games to change for them. That happens with no other kind of game.>>541196610Nah, if you fix bugs, you improve it. If you change its mechanics for the fukkk of it, it's a different game.
>>541197172Shouldn't* force games to change for them.
>>541197172>Nahof course i am correct.not gonna bother to explain why because you are both clueless about this and also refuse explanations.
>>541197846>you are both clueless about this and also refuse explanations.You're describing yourself.
>>541198361i'm not the one asking for explanations, so no. it is not a description of me.
>>541197172It's a product, not a piece of art. It exists to bring entertainment to the consumer through gameplay. Regardless if you agree or disagree with that statement, it's value is derived from the observer and not in of itself. Maybe there is some metaphysical value from the latter but it bears no impact on what a customer desires and I can't be bothered to give a shit about what a bunch of code wants. In case the customer is someone like you: older builds. There is no impact of whether or not it changes to people like you who can just download the older, locked in time version. You already received few different answers why change happens on multiple levels.>The post I replied to saying that was the one to mention players getting tired as the reason for the changes, which, as you yourself are implying and somehow thereby also contradicting yourself, has nothing to do with the game, but with their desire for something different/newIt's not contradictory, what the players see is what the game is, and that something transforming from a new, fresh experience into a known, stale thing is the natural progression of everything. To dismiss this is to ignore reality of how things are, you are not working with a constant, eternal turnover of new customers that you can ignore what the current playerbase thinks and wants, and what the majority wants is more.>not arbitrarily deface an established one to fit their every want and needDescribing updates as defacing is purely on you, and AGAIN: old builds.>Much like you're trying to do with my conversation: if you think it's dumb, ignore it and/or talk about anything else; no one's forcing you to reply, so why are you trying to force ME to stop posting? Because you are doing a dumb thing, not the question, but shutting off the responses you dislike by being willfully ignorant and living in your own reality. You refuted no response in a satisfying manner but plowed through. It's and eyesore.
Can someone familiar with Brogue explain what a "machine" is and how it works?If not can you explain what a "horde" is?
>hit level 10 in tome without dyingi think i'm getting better
I know I'm bad but isn't Fire Elementalist a kind of weak start now? Maybe the era of Fireball in the starting book was too much, but I feel like all the good mage starts Cj, EE, IE etc have enough in the starting book to get through Lair, Orc and down to D:15 without getting any help but with FE I feel like I need something else just to safely get through Lair. I think maybe I'm not scumming with Blastmotes enough but I thought that's the kind of tediousness the nudevs were trying to avoid. Is it intentional suffering for how strong early game Foxfire is?
>spellblaze lorei like this kind of stuff. i like when roguelikes have lore i can investigate and nerd out about.
So about Brogue, the machines are chunks of code that tries to construct a sort of event (like a trapped altar with a statue that wakes or a goblin warren)https://github.com/tmewett/BrogueCE/blob/master/src/variants/GlobalsBrogue.cThis stuff is very interesting, I really should have spent time reading this a long time ago.
it's fine to give away artifacts for a quest, yeah?
>>541206490Blood of Undeath is pure upside
>>541206490neat. my second class unlock.>>541206540>read this post>quaff the blood>lose a ton of hp with no visible upsidei have been tricked
>>541206762You get negative HP more than the HP you lose.(In this game you don't die until your HP is lower than negative HP, which by default is 0 but this item lowers it further)
Will these cunts stop spawning or is this floor fucked 4ever ???
>>541193376Reminds me of NPC Quest. You just buy the equipment, pick a zone, and watch.
im so unbelievably dogshit at rift wizard 2, i always die despite picking seemingly good combos and i have no idea what im doing wrongim good at path of achra but i guess that doesn't transfer
yeah well he was weak. i would never die in a place like thatupdate: i died
>>541214056>>update: i diedall right i'm back
>>541216841>level 20we're gamingalso, apparently the bubbles on the map give you air and my previous death was entirely avoidable
>>541130972nobody is gatekeeping df outit's one guy
>>541156515the demo was fun, although missing a lot of the cool stuff from the trailer
>>541219252update: i died, voidbro didn't save me this time and holy shit archmage gets -4 hp/level?? ridiculous
>>541220126Archmage is weak to surprise attacks but it has a self healing spell that can crit, and a passive that makes a shield per point of damage you heal. In lategame with 80+% crit rate that means a 3000+ damage shieldregardless of class a piece of equipment that gives flat +30 hp is far and away better than +7% damage for your class's element or some other offensive effect for the first 25 or so levels. Mainly you'll find that on lanterns and cloaks
>>541176319The problem with Arborus is that it's a fuckin lead-weight albatross around your neck.Any build that wins WITH Arborus is a build that would've won without it.Trying to focus on making the actual treeform/summons work is suicidally impossible.
>>541193763There are plenty of PoA builds that lend themselves to optimal play not just being autotabbing, bud.Please get your opinions from someone besides Sseth
>>541194027I was just thinking anon was talking about idlers>>541213347Rift Wizard 2 has evolved to pure esoterica, I think the dev balance there tends more towards "degenerates to the preferences of a small niche of players" because... It'd be like if the PoA dev decided to nerf every successful combo because he wanted you to "engage with the mechanics and not just pick good powers" or something
>>541221098that does sound pretty good. i saw it in the perks when i was looking at it, but 3000 is a lot. my archmage died already, level one, ha... i made a bunch of mistakes, so i should try again.bulwark was great, i got about 100 armor with about 100 armor effectiveness... but ultimately got killed by a mage that chunked me for 300+ a bunch of times. i should have stayed clear of those areas until i got some form of magic defense online.in the base that i discovered, there were some things like 'training facilities' that needed energy. will i discover what that is on my own? no spoilers please
>>541223021Not... Really?If you've already explored the fortress and fucked off without figuring energy out, you're doomed to never figure it out yourself. If you wanna get into that, just go back and link your rod to the orb
>>541223748yeah i did that. it spawned the squid and i talked to him, he said not enough energy.i couldn't understand any of the writing, so maybe that's something i need to do.i'll go back there on a different character
>mfw anon thought it was a renamed zip file for the lulzNah dude, I'm just built wrong. Boardgame night is every Saturday, lemme know if you're a lesbian with big tits and you can join.
