First for nonnyposting~

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2nd for booba

3rd for sangen wife

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VGL qualifiers

>>>545189845
I don't want to see the cup split in half so I'm going to put this forward as a serious proposal after the cup and get as many signatures as possible from current managers and caretakers to sign an open letter of no confidence in both the Commissioner and and in /admin/ making the following demands:

1. That /admin/ adopt the following rule changes: https://pastebin.com/RNkr5E7y
2. The the Commissioner and /admin/ all resign and call an election in line with the above proposals (they can all put themselves forward in line with the proposed procedures if they want to stay in place and are re-elected)
3. In line with the above rule changes, the new 4CCC appoints from among itself a new Commissioner, which can still be Sou and every current member of /admin/ can reprise their current roles, but bound to a more open an accountable ruleset that gives the collective competitors a right to remove them, a right to choose version changes and rulesets by majority vote.

>>545206796
>>545210114
Your plan is noble, but it has a couple glaring flaws:
1) No one is gonna read that entire pastebin, you need to summarize the most important parts and post them here.
2) You're giving managers and caretakers too much importance over viewers. If every decision the commish makes regarding something like the PES version has to go through the approvation of these "competitors", then it is quite possible they will veto anything that would diminish the competition aspect of the cup, even if it would enhance the entertainment aspect.

That's why the veto powers should be given to the whole cup community, but at the same time the commish should retain absolute powers so he can manifest his vision of the cup. What I mean with this, is that the commish should be re-elected every year by the whole community, but given full powers during his term (think USA, but without the retarded indirect voting system). At the end of each year people will be allowed to apply for the role (including the previous commish, though never more than twice in a row), and people will vote for whom they want to give a chance to show everyone how the cup should be run.

>>545210114
>falseflagging a breakaway cup attempt to push your gay rule changes and /admin/ houseclearing
Yeah, nice try faggot.

what we're back?
FUCK

>>545210425
By unpopular demand.

that melty was great, finally a good fucking one

>>545209804
/fg/ /hdg/ /tf2g/ /gig/ if I had to pick one from each pot
otherwise replace /fg/ with /pcrg/

>>545210651
I wouldn't pick /pcrg/ over an auto

>>545209804
>Four autopilots and four managed teams
Can't really say who will escape until the autopilots start rolling out.

>>545209804
I'm fine with either of /fg/ or /ddlc/ otherwise it's /hdg/, /tf2g/ and /gig/ for me.

>>545210260
Nearly every governing body of a major sport in the world has a governing body made up of it's members rather than audiences, why should the cup be any different in spirit? Competitors don't get to propose whatever they like, that's still reserved for /admin/ to be the executive body. The most significant competition altering changes like rulesets and version changes should be a consensus with the agreement of a majority of those who actually take part and do something. The exact same with /admin/ and the 4CCC in general, changes came in to keep the Commissioner from being unaccountable and someone who can be vetoed. The same process needs to happen again but for /admin/.
1. Clear out the entire current membership /admin/
2. Allow everyone that wants to be a member to present themselves to the competitors and if they have a majority in favour of their membership, they form the new /admin/
3. Competitors collectively retain the ability to remove any member of /admin/ by a majority vote again
4. The new /admin/ gets to choose it's Commissioner, whether it's Sou again but with a mechanism to remove him or someone else.

>>545209394
>Sunday's Matches

>>545209804
as long as giggers lose 'tis good qualie

>>545211065
>Four autopilots
Wait which ones?

>>545209394
eww, why is she black?

>>545211157
>why should the cup be any different in spirit?
Because the cup is not a sport. It's a celebration of 4chan's culture and its main goal is the viewers' entertainment rather than making money out of ticket sales and team wins. Since the viewers are what matter most, it's illogical not to allow them to take part in picking who will shape the future of the cup.
Having people pick /admin/'s members and then having /admin/ pick the commish is also retarded, just like the US election system. People need to be able to pick the commish directly, not pick someone who might or might not pick the guy they want and who might even be content with things as they are (see the current situation) even when they themselves are not.

>>545211157
muh supersrs esports!!!

>>545211543
>/fg/'s caretaker already manages a team
>/domg/ manager wants to caretake this season because he's busy
>/ddlc/ may be an autopilot, we don't know if Aname came back as a manager or a caretaker
Not sure about the fourth one, though.

>>545210260
>>545212274
I don't think managers and caretakers should be understated. They are key parts of the community and labeling them lower than viewers is nonsense when they are one of the biggest assets to 4cc in that they actually harbor the connections to 4chan that we have. We have viewers in the first place because of managers. Managers are much more like senators, representing their boards to the cup.
"Viewers" has become an ambiguous group used as a weapon to strike down anything that managers may like, when I truly doubt they care as much if they see their team actually win or have nice aesthetics kicking the ball around.

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Reminder that /mlp/ got relegated by an autopilot and /u/ by fucking /lgbt/

>>545212274
The competitors aren't voting who they like best of a list of nominees who eligible, they are voting to approve of them as members of /admin/ or not. Theoretically every single manager could be on /admin/ but in reality a sizeable number wouldn't want to and as many wouldn't pass a 50% majority vote to approve of their peers. But what you get left is what the 40 or 50 so managers and caretakers have a consensus on is the best team to be the cup's executive body that decides minor changes and proposes rulesets and version changes.

They should choose the Commissioner rather than have a directly elected one because they work with each other most, if a majority of /admin/ can agree on a Commissioner they want to work with most it works better than way than forcing a Commissioner on /admin/ they don't like or want to work with.

>>545213095
>labeling them lower than viewers is nonsense
Good thing I never did that, then. I was just putting them on the same level.
Though since you feel they're so important (and I agree, to an extent), there should be no issues in letting them vote twice, right?

>>545213584
>The competitors aren't voting who they like best of a list of nominees who eligible, they are voting to approve of them as members of /admin/ or not
I know, that's precisely what I've said is retarded.
>if a majority of /admin/ can agree on a Commissioner they want to work with most it works better than way than forcing a Commissioner on /admin/ they don't like or want to work with.
And that's yet another shitty reason. "Let's have a bad commish just because /admin/ likes it." Why do we even need an /admin/ group in the first place? Everything can be done by individuals who help the commish directly.

>>545213580
The spirit of Incoming and Smugleaf sensed a /gd/ /mlp/ game and had to possess the autopilot

>>545210114
I shall make a 1e57 rigbux contribution to your election campaign, anon.

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third DBC in a row where I've procrastinated signing up my team I've had ready for years and missed the signup window

>>545214078
>I know, that's precisely what I've said is retarded.
Why is it retarded? Everyone on /admin/ should be approved by a majority of the people they're representing.
>And that's yet another shitty reason. "Let's have a bad commish just because /admin/ likes it." Why do we even need an /admin/ group in the first place? Everything can be done by individuals who help the commish directly.
If enough of the competitors disagree with their choice they can remove the Commissioner by a vote of no confidence, once removed they are ineligible to be Commissioner again

>>545210114
@gork summarize the rule changes in this pastebin

>>545215439
IZ NOT READIN' ALLA DAT YA GIT

>>545210114
@mork summarize the rule changes in this pastebin

>>545215662
JUS' PUT DA BIGGEST AN' DA STRONGEST IN CHARGE YA STUPID GIT

>the two people who laughed the most and were the most dismissive of 545211157 are Sou and TMA
really activates the almonds this one

>>545215439
>>545215662
>4CCC (Admin) Reforms
Elected body with competitor-approved PES/ruleset changes; elections on low membership; no term limits, removable via no-confidence.
>Commissioner
Elected by 4CCC; vetoable decisions; no active managing, strict conflict rules; removable by 2/3 vote.
>Managers/Caretakers
Managers: Verified by panel; bans for mercing, multi-teaming, mid-cup quits.
Caretakers: Commissioner-appointed; no tactics, one-team limit.
Multiple managers OK, but one relays instructions.
>PoEaP (Engagement Proof)
Mandatory board promotion proof post-cup; escalating penalties (warning suspension ban).
Offsite raiding banned (1-year permanent).

Aims for democratic, conflict-free, 4chan-focused governance.

Unofficial group stage auties:
>best match so far
>best goal so far
>best model so far
>pulitzer so far
>biggest spaghetti so far

>>545216267
>anyone caught collecting poi offsite is banned for 1 year, if they do it again they get permabanned
now this is actually based

>>545216251
Nightmare fuel to the two people most used to throwing dictats at people with zero accountability and no one to answer to

>>545215179
>Why is it retarded?
I've actually misread that part of your post, it made sense.
>If enough of the competitors disagree with their choice they can remove the Commissioner by a vote of no confidence
This still feels like a way too convoluted way to get a proper commish compared to letting people vote for him directly, though. /admin/ should just work with the commish chosen by the people or resign if they don't like him.

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>>545216447
>best match
/y/ /xs/
>best goal so far
legbutt lob against /a/
>best model
Might as well make it the "Best Kirby model" because that's what it's going to mostly be.
>pulitzer
picrel
>biggest spaghetti
Where two begin? /k/ vs /an/, /mlp/ and /u/ getting relegated by teams people were sure they were going to beat, Malamar and Hakuho's entire cup performance are a few.

>>545217671
*where to begin
I am retarded ezl lmao

viewers only care if the game isn't noticeably broken AI-wise and the aesthetics look nice
ergo all improvements and changes to the Cup should be in that interest

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>>545216251
Because this is the worst case of Muh Serious E-Sport I have seen since PMB and it's fucking hysterical. I will admit that the one year ban for offsite posting for PoI is pretty good, but introducing fucking American politics in the cup of all things is fucking retarded. Plus the call not just for a handful but the entirety of /admin/ to resign? Fucking hilarious. This is an autistic clown car for watching AI vs AI divegrass not a fucking fortune 500 company.

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Henlo 'ccg.
As some of you know, Lan Party 3 is taking place next year after Winter, but truth be told, 15 doesn't look like the ideal game to run an invitational where +1/+2 is like 60% of the fun.
So here's the thing, I wanted to ask you guys, which PES version do y'all think Lan Party should run on? Options are...
>17
>18
>19
>20 (yeah, I'm thinking about it)
>21
And state below why you think it would be a good idea to run on your PES of choice.
Have a nice week, everyone.

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>>545210114

>>545218429
17 because i cba to port my aesthetics

>>545218542
Haha idiot, can't rat me out if I own it in the thread.

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>>545211157
>he wants to make the Cup an serious esport

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>>545216447
>Match
/xs/-/y/
>Goal
Shygal's FKFG
>Model
/jp/ couch with screen technology
>pulitzer
Yaranaika Kirby
>spaghetti
Twink Death getting pummeled by Dump Thread

>>545218429
21 because the VTLel upporter is easy to use, and you can use fun meme patches

>>545218379
Can you type esport correctly please

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>>545216739
LOOK HE'S TRYING TO CALL YOU A DICTATOR AND ROPE YOU IN WITH TRIANGLE >>545218781

>>545218542
Where the fuck is this secret cord?

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I don't really have anything to say

>>545219254
clueless.png

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>>545219097
If I am the dictator then I is more stronger then darth vapor.


>>545218920
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Nyo

>>545219254
So you don't know?

>>545219254
You tell me

>>545210114
fine speech

>>545219254
Probably /pw/ or /offtopic/

But what are the VGL commissioner's thoughts on this?

>>545220464
He tragically passed away at the Dodgers' celebration orgy he organized earlier.

>>545220464
Play Fortnite for 15 minutes with your Discord client open to unlock a Peely Vanish Avatar Decoration for 2 months.

>>545220464
there's no rat in /ag/ so we just don't know

>>545218429
20 to be different

>>545218379
Resign to put all of yourselves to a vote of the collective managers and caretakers to decide if 50% of them want to keep you or not - plus accept anyone else who puts themselves forward isn't an unreasonable demand.

You can't really use the 'but muh horsefucker conspiracy' card either when both changes here probably mean horsefuckers and any other circlejerks get shut out of attempted takeovers, because 50% of caretakers and managers sure as hell aren't horsefuckers, yurinigggers, vtuberfags, vgl managers or any other circlejerks with that kind of wide spread and numbers. If anything this system actually makes it far fairer and represents smaller teams better than audience democracy which is perma rigged towards big markets would.

>>545218542
>not posting the rest of it
coward, Sou and TMA are literally just mocking you all in /offtopic/ right now

>>545211157
Nobody wants to be part of admin.

>>545220684
I'm pretty sure most if not all his thoughts on the cup are on public servers anyway

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>>545221052
>"Th-thank you for putting me in charge..."
>"As yo-your new commissioner I demand everyone to apologize to me for calling me a kwab, I'm not a kwab I'm a serious manager!"
>"And then, I demand everyone to say they're sorry to /vt/ and the /vt/ league, we're fun to watch and we're not cringe like everyone says we are!!"

>>545221214
you didn't post it either, coward

>>545218379
You are an expert at saying a bunch of shit and nothing at the same time. You completely lost my confidence when you sat around on Saturday, endorsing FB's lies and blaming VGL for losing a poll.

>>545221567
i look like this

Run, coward

>>545221215
If you're so sure of that why don't you throw open nominations for anyone who wants to put themselves forward for the week after this cup ends. At the end of it put all of them forward for a vote of managers and caretakers if they want those people to become part of /admin/ or not.

>>545221052
vtuberfags, vglfags and horsefuckers out number most people even still, so they can plant them into teams easily
>b-b-but my poi, they don't actually use the board
This is what I mean by out number most people, there are plenty of vtuberfags, horsefuckers, and vglfags that go to multiple different boards. A great example is JB going to both /vt/, /sp/ and /fit/ and another example is Titan who is /vt/ and /mlp/.

>>545221723
Even /mlp/ at their absolute height couldn't plant half the teams in the cup with managers, if it wouldn't have happened then, it wouldn't happen now.

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>>545221214
What have I said in there that I haven't said in here? The story of how I approached QD prior to world cup when he was feeling burnt to volunteer for succession? The fact that I hit the VONC Lear accolade before the completion of one tournament in year 3? C'mon nigga

Guys because huge fanbases exists that means we will keep picking admin people by mandate of heaven and whoever Crimson likes, I hope you understand.

>>545221863
well, you're just a bitchy bitchy butt slut now step down now or i'm gonna get super mad!

>>545221829
That's not what he's arguing against. He's saying (and I concur) that saying a system with only managers and caretakers voting represents small teams better is bullshit. It's about the same or worse.

>>545221932
nigga think for a moment where we are, this is the pefect system for balancing it because those circlejerks won't last a single vote without trying to fuck each other over consolewarring to spite the other group

>>545220464
>isn't currently openly mocking the thread with his vglcord buddies
>even shat on the 'cord faggots for shitting on the thread
Surprisingly not the biggest faggot at the moment

Admin thinks so low of you [manager] that they believe you can't vote on anything without being compromised by [another team]. These people acting like your guardians are funny, but who keeps Crimson in check? He does whatever he wants, Sou is a bitch and he just agrees and then when admin gets any criticism or opposition, they blame it on the VGL boogeyman as it was already demonstrated last thread.

>>545222481
He should cull the lolcows already. Whether Crimson is a faggot or not it doesn't matter, he was partly right when he called out those niggers (derogatory).

Crimson should unironically be banned from 4cc and VGL

Imo Crimson secured the KWABOTY 2025 after his lies about the poll got exposed.

>>545221052
>vgl managers
Current Managers/Caretakers
/v/
/vt/
/u/
/vg/
/vst/
/vp/
/aco/
/h/
/c/
/d/
/vmg/
/b/
/gd/
/pw/
/a/

The Jan 6 of the 4cc

>>545222990
The only competition is Lav

"The Jan 6" and it's like 4 dudes and /offtopic/ posting anonymously

>>545222990
DANTEEEEEEH DANTEH WITH THE HEADER

My ears are red right now from embarrassment and humiliation.

>>545223170
When will /offtopic/ invite me to the one hour frotting session they are having this week

>>545223250
...said the_crimson_man

>>545221052
>because 50% of caretakers and managers
let me get my friends to merc a bunch of dead teams to boost the number of votes my ideas get. you will watch /hr/ play against /cgl/ in the current year and you will like it

>>545220464
here are my thoughts:

>>545223771
Just do a /u/ and have 4 votes for 4 managers.

All this gay inconsequential 4cc drama has helped me understand how the average 4cc fan feels when VGL drama gets posted here
I apologize, 4cc

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>>545224057
t.

>>545224373
Koishi needs to get pregnant with my seed

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Who admins the /admin/?

>>545223771
I would actually like that

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The VGL rules have been updated.
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_Rules
Changelog
>Chapter V: Tactical - Nightly Exports
Clarified that nightly exports may not change anything other than team tactical instructions.
>Chapter V: Tactical - Nightly Exports
Clarified that PES17 exports and earlier must be renamed to [TEAM]_[Optional Notes] rather than left as default.
Both of these just rules that showed they needed clarifying during NTC4 before the VGL starts. Enjoy the rest of your evening.

>>545221616
I said it in the last thread and I'll say it here too. That poll was a meme and I was never going to put any more stock into it than a few grains of salt. From the moment it was deadlocked for the majority of the three days it ran I knew I couldn't take it seriously. The only thing that upset me about the poll was that it sat perfectly at 92 votes and some raped bitch thought that a last minute no vote would make me pull 15 for the rest of 2026. There is some small value in the poll for sure, but that value will reveal itself in due time. Granted because you lost confidence in me you'll likely write this off as me talking out of my ass. Which is well within your right. That's never stopped me before and certainly wont stop me now.

>>545222061
I will not step down because you're a big stoopid doo doo poo ass.

>>545224978
>>Chapter V: Tactical - Nightly Exports
>Clarified that nightly exports may not change anything other than team tactical instructions.
What if I wanted to change a player's name?

>>545224978
what the fuck, I thought the first one was pretty clear

>>545225021
>From the moment it was deadlocked for the majority of the three days it ran I knew I couldn't take it seriously.
So from the moment the poll showed the PES version was divisive (read: didn't fit into your agenda) you just discarded it entirely?

>>545225105
wyell...

https://discord.gg/dft
/offtopic/ invite link

>>545225105
Femoid moment

>>545224078
it's voting per person and not per team? that's even worse

>>545225462
I'm actually curious about this one, because maybe i'll find someone from the 4cc or vgl servers in there

>>545225105
we have to accomodate for female intelligence now

>>545225087
You're allowed to do that because it has zero impact on tactics, it's basically an aesthetics midcup. Though if you're ever unsure about something rules-related there's no problem with asking someone in VGLco to make sure.
>>545225105
Not as clear as it could've been. Wasn't that insane that someone new could get confused by it.

>>545225564
>join for a laff and find this out
>someone else joins and screenshots you in it
>life over forever

>>545225564
n-no you won't

>>545225270
If the yes and no votes weren't visible along with the totals, we'd be having a different conversation entirely. But because those numbers were visible and the poll was treated like a cytube poll then I have no choice but to treat it like one myself.

>>545225768
I think you guys are dismissing disgruntled people a bit too easily.

>>545225270
Don't act like some people weren't planning to do the same if it went the other way, there were already people calling the Yes votes botted, both today and the day of the results.

>>545225021
If the poll was a "meme" why was lying about it necessary? On FB, you’ll find the usual crowd of clapping seals who will blindly accept any criticism of VGL without question.

>>545225462
>try to join with burner account
>"you must verify email to apply to this server"
Rats. Now I'll never know /admin/'s secrets...

amazing chest ahead

>>545225598
>You're allowed to do that because it has zero impact on tactics
Then it would be nice if the ruling went somewhat like this
"Nightly exports may not change anything other than team tactical instructions and aesthetic settings (Names, FPC settings, Celebrations, etc)"

>>545226202
Ok but "some people" and commissioner/admin are very different things.

What is the connection with /dft/ and War Thunder?

>>545227221
Troonzai

tomzai be like: nonny~

>>545226398
Done
>>545224978
Updated Changelog
>Chapter IV: Tournament - Deadlines
Clarified that deadline PES17 and earlier exports must also be renamed in the stated format.
>Chapter V: Tactical - Nightly Exports
Clarified that aesthetic settings may be changed in a nightly.

What's a dft

>>545228132
idk ask tomzai

>>545228132
david foster twallace

>>545228132
nonnzai knows

>>545228132
Density functional theory

>>545226202
Random anonymous posters are not comparable to a significant portion of admin (Sou, Crimson, QD, and Boris) spreading false information about the poll on FB, especially since it was ultimately proven untrue.

>>545228132
dragonfag team, one of the teams whose records are partially invalidated

>>545225021
Ok but what about the logs Crimson claims there were that he said proves the poll was being brigaded, why weren't those shown and why wasn't there any push to show them?

>>545228698
They were disproven last thread.

>>545228698
He can't show something that doesn't exist.
Here is what we know, he lied.
>>545186579
>>545189061
>>545189313
the qrd links

>>545228961
I'm too lazy to do it but can someone do one of those youtube thumbnails of eceleb drama with crimson that has devil horns and a big HE LIED

>>545218429
18 because we need more that isn't tainted by the gypsy

>>545228961
>>545228775
I'm asking Sou.

>>545218429
Can we use Aoba's 16 with portraits patch?

>>545229721
No for the same reason 15 isn't on consideration, neither have +1/+2 and changing presets just to put teams on more aggressive settings goes against the fun/lax spirit of the event (and puts unnecessary stress/pressure on the streamer).

>>545228698
The poll was brigaded by /bag/ league

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I've been lurking these threads since I got back from holiday and boy, I want to go back bush again.

Also have this now that it's finally uploaded for those talking about PES 14.
https://mega.nz/file/x7w1TI4a#K5GsOFwef_KuwZwZDGH05ZZHt0rdTwFXlNhSANzVIFs

>>545225768
Can we have a poll of managers/caretakers on whether or not to move to PES14?

>>545231709
Why so nothing but melties and kwabs from admin can come out of it?
They don't care what you think, if you disagree you're just one of them VGL boys. You will go to this garbage PES and like it because remember how fun it was???

>>545232136
I genuinely don’t remember "how fun it was"; I’m not even old enough to need to exam my prostate.

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I wasn't even around for the first cups on PES 15. I voted for it and like it.

>>545231709
Don't really need to for like a year though.

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Attention! I'd like to present myself as commissioner!

>>545233681
I would vote for this loli

>>545233681
Sorry, horsefuckers only.

>>545234023
Surprise! I have fucked horses!

reddit hours

>>545235494
but that's 4redditlite 24/7?

>>545233681
I'm gonna steal your kot

>>545225021
>That poll was a meme
So why lie about it and blame another community for brigading when that is verifiably false? There needs to be accountability for this.

Anon lay in his crib, helpless and frustrated. The passionate sounds of the group's lovemaking in the next room were almost too much to bear. A chastity belt had been secured over anon's diaper, so he was unable even to relieve his pent-up arousal. He just had to lie there and bear it.

Suddenly, he realized that wasn't all that he would have to bear.

*BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAPP--SPLUUUUUUUUUURTTCCCHHHH*

It was over before it had even begun. Anon had shit his diaper, the rancid smell filling the room. And he was unable to remove his diaper or change himself, due to the chastity belt.

Tears streamed down anon's face. He had made those recent cups be remembered for ages to come, and was reduced to this? But he had no choice. If he didn't want to have to lie there in his own shit for who-knows-how-long, he was going to have to beg. Swallowing his pride, anon turned toward the wall to the next room, from which he could still hear the bed creaking as the occupants made love.

"A-ADMIN! I-I NEED MY DIAPER CHANGED AGAIN!!" he wailed.

The bed stopped its creaking, and anon could hear groaning.

"/4ccg/-tan can do it after we're done with her," came Crimson's reply. "We're still not kissing her, though."

>>545239365
tldr

>>545239446
Crimson got touched by wooden dolls as a child

>>545239907
KWAB

>>545239907
Point on the wooden doll to where the wooden doll touched you.

>>545210260
>the commish should be re-elected every year by the whole community, but given full powers during his term (think USA)
lol
lmao

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>>545228698
There are logs of VGL people entering and bailing out. You can see bowling bail out three times. But again I was laughing at the airport because I wasn't gonna bother checking the log channel myself in the terminal. I even have the log channel muted because there's no point to me looking at it since the damn general channel is locked. Hell this latest meltdown about the poll is all still hilariously stupid to me. But I entertain this regardless. I noticed some names missing from the vote list so I can only assume that either they did not vote or their vote didn't count after they bailed because of the users displayed only four are still in the server. And two them didn't even vote.

>>545231709
Maybe, again I feel like 14 needs many more refreshers before we can consider it for a cup cycle. The jump to 15 was immediate because it's not too unfamiliar to what we're used to in terms of sliders and tactical input while 14 is a whole different hog in terms of tactical input. Shit I never even bothered figuring out the strange precursor to advanced instructions 14 has back when I was managing.

>>545238342
So what you want me to put Crimson in the penis explosion chamber? What do you mean by accountability? You want me to talk to nomo get him banned from VGL for slander or some shit or what?

>>545244137
>You can see bowling bail out three times.
that's me lmao >>545195490 I just like taking a look I didn't even vote!

>>545244137
Simple: sack him from /admin/. He brings no value to the cup, admits not ever lurking here, demonizes teams for dumbfuck reasons like tactical originality (but won't put his money where his mouth is and punish them for what would be good reasons, like airdropping on generals) and brushes off one of the very few direct measurable feedbacks with lies. /admin/ in general is too rife with bitter oldfags that do nothing but stew in resentment. At least you're a fun oldfag and you don't despise the "4chan" in the "4chan" cup.
As for the poll they already told you: two of those people in those logs managed in akkolel in 15, so are more qualified to vote than any former manager thad didn't touch it, and the others didn't vote.

>Crimson's VGL obsession was all over my beautiful boy bowling
wtf

>>545244602
>/admin/ in general is too rife with bitter oldfags that do nothing but stew in resentment
As someone in /admin/ and with about 30 4chan tabs open at this minute, bull fucking shit mate. Being here forever since 05 doesn't make you bitter.
Dealing with imaginary versions of yourself that people invent on the other hand.

>>545244878
you're not crimson or boris, which is kinda my point there

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>>545217671
>biggest spaghetti
>/k/-/an/
Have a leak

>>545244878
Fucking Christ since 05. Genuinely 20 wasted years. You got a wife yet?

I remember a few years back running a project out of a 4chan thread in a position of prominence, in cooperation with and with some degree of accountability to the thread, until people started making up interpretations of my actions that were so completely disconnected from reality that I gave up on consulting with those people and out of desperation started following my own instincts instead. Funny how that goes.

>>545246863
so what happened with the project once you stopped listening to 4chan, anon?

>>545246863
>until people started making up interpretations of my actions that were so completely disconnected from reality
should've had a show for your project where you openly explained your actions in a q&a segment

>>545244130
Enlightening q argument.

>>545248210
>q
Of all the typos...

>>545248210
/zzz/bro btw

Where I live, we call democracy "shitmocracy" for a reason

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>>545248210
This is neither the time nor the place to do a deep dive on the structure of the US Federal Government, so I'll leave it at a shitpost.
>>545246863
>>545247623
>>545248035
A lot of /tg/'s successful projects have been built off of a single anon retaining full editorial control, with the board as a whole operating in a strictly advisory and playtesting role. But while that works well for a singular published product that just wants to be "from 4chan", an ongoing event held "by and for 4chan" runs into problems. That's essentially the GB era, which, while sustained in its time by its novelty, was ultimately ended by the idea that the Cup couldn't truly represent the site without mass participation. But as we've seen from every "write a letter" thread or /trash/ match, total acceptance of input creates an incoherent mess at best, that that's before people start actively trolling it.

I suppose I'll just echo the general sentiment that /admin/ as a decision-making entity seems a little too jaded for its own good. At the very least, it should probably communicate better. Publishing meeting minutes or voting records would go a long way towards breaking the monolithic face of /admin/ and assuring us 50 retards that care that /admin/ is at least talking about things instead of a 90/10 split of "holy fuck I hate /4ccg/" and "oh, fuck we need to pick a PES for the next cup".

>>545249454
>do a deep dive on the structure of the US Federal Government
There's no need for that, since the commish already has full powers. Just explain why people shouldn't be able to vote for a new commish every one or two years, with room for confirming the current one if the mayority feels he's doing a good job.

>>545249818
Wasn't the point, probably should have just cut the quote to
>(like USA)

>>545250220
I guess that part was unnecessary, yeah.

>>545249454
>built off of a single anon retaining full editorial control, with the board as a whole operating in a strictly advisory and playtesting role
That is what would work best. A single commish with full control, and the whole thread helping with decisionmaking and tactical ruling. There's no need to keep thhings limited to /admin/, which no matter how many new members it gets will never have as wide of an outlook as a whole thread made up of viewers, managers and caretakers. There's no need to keep anything secret, unless it comes to team-specific things (like receiving and judging POI), which can still be done by an /admin/ team dedicated only to those.

>>545249454
Meetings? Votes? Be for real dude it's just the stronger personalities calling shots and asking "we all good with that?"
There might be a few discussions but everyone is broadly in agreement from the start and it's just an exercise for people to get their irrelevant opinions in before the broadly agreed on notion goes ahead. Every once in a while the weaker personalities might suggest an idea that gets shot down by stronger personalities and it'll be counted as debate. Regardless of numbers, 3-4 of the oldest and loudest effectively dictate policy.
I've been in these leader groups before for other community online events, including this one, and they all function the same.

Remember when the previous admin got so much backlash they got pressured into making admin public and no one used it even once?

>>545251187
I sure do.

>>545250317
To give a serious answer, the current system largely amounts to
>who's the oldest fag still around that hasn't actively rejected the mantle?
>guess he's in charge now
With a singular safety net to keep, for instance, Blinky from winding up being that person. I don't have a fundamental problem with that premise; seniority has its benefits, and internet democracies are a fucking disaster on general principle due to a combination of variable population, ease of ballot stuffing, and inherent inapplicability of Natural Law to an artificial space.
And those are just for systems that try to ape real-world power structures. I genuinely ask, if we held elections for the commissioner, who would run? Historically, commissioners have risen to the role on the mandate of "if nobody else is gonna, guess I have to".

We're basically caught in a generational gap, with /admin/ as we know it serving as the Boomers of the cup. There's a bunch of people with all sorts of ideas, from the excellent to the terrible waiting in the wings, but the post-GermanBro-era managers are still hanging around holding onto the reigns because what the fuck are (You) gonna do, start your own cup?

>>545251548
>if we held elections for the commissioner, who would run?
froggerp
gio
aoba
df

So 4cc is just the Soviet Union?

>>545251912
i aint running for shit
i dont want to deal with you autists any more than I need to

>>545251548
>who would run?
I would be surprised if there weren't at least a couple candidates, including crimson and myself
>Historically, commissioners have risen to the role on the mandate of "if nobody else is gonna, guess I have to".
That's the problem, it has lead to a bunch of commissioners who have been on the point of mentally breaking by the end of their tenure, and only doing their job because "nobody else is gonna". This leads them to feel like it's their duty to keep going even when don't want it anymore, and eventually they put less and less effort into it.
It's a vicious cycle from which little good can come out, and this affects the entire perception of the cup, with complaints piling up over the months and years. Of course, a good commish must have been given his role (to avoid power-trippers), but he must also be eager to fulfill it until the end and willing to drop it long before he has reached the end of his wits.

>>545252039
The real answer is that f4r is the absolute authority of the Cup. The legitimacy of the cup is in its history, and the records of that history are kept on infrastructure that f4r owns. The commissioner is whoever organizes tournaments that he puts on isthisliv. He can coup the cup at any time by how he chooses to exercise that power.

>>545252793
The moment f4r did that the cup sound just move.

>>545252786
> That's the problem, it has lead to a bunch of commissioners who have been on the point of mentally breaking by the end of their tenure, and only doing their job because "nobody else is gonna". This leads them to feel like it's their duty to keep going even when don't want it anymore, and eventually they put less and less effort into it.

Like managers?

>>545252793
He's more like the Pope, and he's currently behaving like a present day Pope, willing to cooperate. If he started to exercise his power he would get closer to a medieval Pope, and the cup would probably do a Henry.

>>545252918
>>545253060
And that's the part where things get really fun
https://youtu.be/ZhFH8pi6Jdo?t=2820

>>545253037
Quite similarly, yeah.

The problem with any voting system in the cup is that it will all boil down to who is in the most back end discord circlejerks and plays stupid twitter tier social games. It will lead to even worse discord tranny bullshit then what you're complaining about now. It's a poison to any system as actual progress gets hampered by high school clique shit.

Voting is dumb for like 90-95% of cases including elections.
Despite actually liking 15 I think we should have a vote ahead of a move to 14 because I don’t think the appetite is there. Every circlejerk so am in, a lot of people are vocally unhappy.

>>545253331
>boil down to who is in the most back end discord circlejerks
We're at that point already. Holding votes on cytube would at least give most of the anons who watch the cup the chance to drown out the various circlejerks no matter how much they bunch up.

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Voting is pretty much a sham IRL I have no idea why you'd want to extend that system to the 4cc

I voted in the poll because I wanted to let them know I wasn't happy with 15. I wasn't expecting them to drop it immediately just because we won, but I did think there would be some kind of rules talk to accomodate the unhappy people. They seem to be doing that, but the dismissiveness and stated interest in going either farther back to 14 was troubling. That's about it for this issue. We don't need more votes, we don't need to elect positions. Democracy is a garbage system and always has been.

>>545254024
Because the alternative (having the commish hand down his role to whoever he wants and having no way to remove the commish unless /admin/, by a miracle, believes he's not fit) is even worse.

>>545254242
I don't think we have ever had a bad faith commish.
Go back to prefox was the correct decision. Pursuing 15 was a reasonable decision and sticking with it for another 3 cups is also a reasonable position to hold.
The we should only use Fox PES guys are not as numerous as they believe and even a future of the cup that involves using the fewest PES version possible involves regular cups on PES17.

VGLco is led by a guy from 2011 and functions just fine. What gives?

>>545254690
the guy is like 20 years old

>>545254895
He's 30

>>545254924
the only person in the vglcord who acts 30 is shakes

>>545254713
Based MC.

>>545254924
Not mentally

>>545254690
Only two cups a year and VGLco carries a lot more of the weight in terms of decision making. Big decisions last for a single cup instead of a full six month cycle. VGL let 4cc do the heavy lifting in terms of moving from prefox to fox. Despite all the drama that does leak into here, VGL has fewer disgruntled people who might agitate things.

>>545255006
Coincidentally all his ideas are kindly ignored. Old people bad.

>>545254581
uhh Lear who shadowmanaged /w/? (there's proofs)

/admin/'s vglbabs narrative is funny because the percentage of vglbabs that don't use 4chan is still probably lower than /admin/ at this point.

>>545255065
VGL drama centers around its managers. 4CC managers tend to be lower-key, and those that aren't are usually also VGL managers.

make me commish and I'll automate the cup and make it an actual esport but also make it more random bullshit and bot-fueled insanity than ever before

someone commission some zoer x sangen yuri, the idea sounds hot to me and i want to watch them have sex

>>545255225
The push for poi and general interaction along with offsiter hate makes regular site usage all the more important for VGL people. Managers and councilmen tend to resign once they stop using their general or the site itself.

>>545255474
Shitpost, but the other half of the democracy problem, especially with total control attached. If none of the oldfags want it, you're going to end up with a bunch of second-year managers competing to see who can TMA the cup the hardest.
>[comissioner] is retarded! 3 Medals? We need six!
>BRING BACK BRONZE!
>Vote me and I'll do point buy!
>RANDOMLY GENERATED EXPORTS!
>Nonmedals to 55!

>>545255618
>offsiter hate
*except /lcg/

>>545255794
you know I would unironically try all six in every combination except I'd be the only one left streaming them cuz every other setup has to be left untouched since 2014 and is completely sacred (^:

dead nigger cup
vgl won bigly

>>545255794
There's always gonna be at least one sensible choice, , but it would be fun to see the lolcows try to convince people to elect them

if you vote for me, i'll hire indians on fiverr to commentate matches

What if I get elected but start using the cup as a platform for my fringe political agenda?

>>545256235
Not saying there aren't a couple in there I like. Just that whiplashing between vastly different rulesets every year is going to murder general willingness to BEE.

>>545256457
just like constantly switching PES versions

>>545256457
Terms would normally last for two years anyway. People tend to vote again for the same guy unless he's done a particularly bad job, since a known quantity is often safer than an unknown one.

>>545254690
VGLco is full of normalfags with people skills.

>>545254581
It's not about bad faith, it's about not being fit for the job.
>Go back to prefox was the correct decision
Sure
>Pursuing 15 was a reasonable decision
Yes, but not rushing things as he did.
>sticking with it for another 3 cups is also a reasonable position to hold
Maybe. There was nothing preventing him from moving aside to 16 and 17 for one cycle to give people time to find a ruleset which could improve 15 for the following cycle.
>The we should only use Fox PES guys are not as numerous as they believe and even a future of the cup that involves using the fewest PES version possible involves regular cups on PES17.
Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Meanwhile he keeps protecting people like crimson who lie through their teeth and antagonize /4ccg/, and even he himself sees /4ccg/ as little more than a trash fire, to show up in once in a while like a god to make people happy. The thread should instead be considered the cup's most valuable asset, it's the permanent link between the website the event is actually for and all of the other subcommunities dedicated to working on its various aspects. The fact it tends to be so shitty is only caused by its major disuse, as proven by it being just fine right now, and this is something that keeps being ignored (willingly or unwittingly) by the people in charge.

>>545244137
Ban crimson from streaming/co-commentating any 4cc event.

>>545258574
>Ban crimson from streaming
crimson is unironically one of if not the best streamer the 4cc has for efficiency
Sou is the best for fun
Bors is the best for that nostalgic feeling of cups of years gone

>>545258746
>this nigga can menu faster than anyone
who cares? he has horrificly ass takes and his biases shine through every time he streams, especially when they're for meta reasons and not fun reasons (just watch any match with /aco/, or /u/, or /k/).

>>545258746
then it's a good thing peak efficiency, unlike fun, is not important

>>545258746
>Sou is the best for fun
No. Sou's streams are awful.

geggles is best for fun :DDDDDD

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>tfw geggels said your name

>>545258746
Everything in moderation.

cipher is best for fun

At least we can all agree Blinkyy is just, just awful

>>545258746
His obvious bias and general disdain for any team he doesn't like makes his streaming days awful no matter what he streams.

Crimson is a very good and reliable streamer and ideally should stay in that. People take shit like FB and ASS way too seriously.

>>545259712
>Crimson is a very good and reliable streamer
no he's not.

Crimson was just playing videogames while you all were arguing last night btw

>>545259712
>people take shit like FB way too seriously
because it's the only way to communicate with /admin/ without being in the comfy circlejerk or crimson's personal friendgroup

>>545259813
That’s the issue.

The problem is he seriously believes all that stuff and if you'd ever talked to him privately that'd be pretty clear. I don't like /aco/, but I don't think they're worthy of a massive hateboner just because - how dare they - they don't ever come up with their tactics (whhhhooooo fuuuckkkingggg caaarreeessss), all while bullying /k/ for trying something funky, or bullying /mlp/ for playing it safe, so on and so forth.
If /aco/ had actually violated any POI rule I'm sure they'd get the boot, so I'm fairly certain they're good, but he's mad about that too.

>>545259782
Just because he touched in the wrong way doesn't mean he's a bad streamer

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>>545259793

>>545259957
nah that's you

>>545259957
Crimson should just stream the day while QD talks over the footage.

>>545259975
And Crimson doesn't give a fuck about you either

Someone needs to destroy Crimsons computer and then blow up his house so he can't stream anything for the next 6 months

None of you will ever have the cojones to put a name to your complaints. PES14 is the future.

>>545260082
See >>545259975

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4cc if crimson was permanently banned

Is it hard to be a manager, always wanted to try it out but always pussied out

>>545260130
>put a name to your complaints
>/admin/ uses you as their boogieman and nothing changes
You need to do things in the right moment.

Kill Crimson. Behead Crimson. Roundhouse kick Crimson into concrete. Defecate in Crimson's food. Launch Crimson into the sun. Stir fry Crimson in a wok. Toss Crimson into an active volcano. Urinate into Crimson's gas tank. Judo throw Crimson into a wood chipper. Twist Crimson heads off. Report Crimson to the IRS. Karate chop Crimson in half. Trap Crimson in quicksand. Crush Crimson in a trash compactor. Liquefy Crimson in a vat of acid. Eat Crimson. Dissect Crimson. Exterminate Crimson in the gas chamber. Stomp Crimson's skull with steel toed boots. Cremate Crimson in the oven. Lobotomize Crimson. Mandatory rapings for Crimson. Drown Crimson in fried chicken grease. Vaporize Crimson with a ray gun. Kick old Crimson down the stairs. Feed Crimson to alligators. Slice Crimson with a katana. TOTAL CRIMSON DEATH

>>545260587
I'll sign the open letter (I'm serious).

>>545260679
nobody is going to do an open letter because nobody is willing to bee

>>545260383
If you're joining a team that already has at least 1 manager then it won't be hard since they theoretically have everything managed while you get up to speed. Testing and export making is a time sink

>>545260383
Depends on the board(or general if you're thinking about VGL) and how autistic you are.

>>545258393
If even people as kindhearted as QD eventually stopped coming here for anything but the bare necessities because it was just not worth it, maybe we should reconsider the idea of 4ccg being all that valuable.

I don't care about this drama, they can privately dislike the teams they want, but I just want to watch my team play.
Simple as.

>>545260785
>join team as co manager
>manager immediately tells you he was just waiting for this moment and retired immediately after you add your name

>>545260838
*/yourteam/ gets culled*
Nothin' personnel, kid

>>545260679
I'd make one but the time isn't right yet. I haven't lost all hope in sou yet.

>>545260809
He was too weak. People kept calling him a doormat and instead of manning up he just covered his ears and left.

>>545260878
That's literally what happened to me and I'm still managing.

Meet the potential man

>>545260383
Please be my team

>>545259945
All that stuff is good for a talk show though.

>>545261606
And indeed, no one is complaining about the talk show right now.

>>544772525
>>544804637
Delivering
Fuck /u/
https://files.catbox.moe/5c989a.png

>>545261786
sexo

>>545261786
Why did you make him darker?

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when you open /4ccg/ and 90% of the posts boil down to
>raped
>KWAB
>my zoer wife
>melty in the 'cord
>random blogging about vgl trooncord lolcows
>people shilling their gacha
>unironic ERP
I kinda understand why /admin/ doesn't bother reading the thread

>>545262008
Something something hentai effect.

>>545261786
My dick is happy.
Thank you.

>>545262008
/zzz/bro btw

>>545262008
That's the japanese school of hentai doujin shading

>>545262069
Open any other general and you'll find the same shit.

>>545262069
Maybe if crimson was banned /4ccg/ would be better

>>545262069
And yet Crimson willingly managed /v/, a board far worse in quality than /4ccg/

that reminds me, 103gger once got into an argument with a yurifag on /jp/ and drew Hisami and Zanmu from Touhou getting gangbanged by niggers to "own" him

>>545262298
Why niggers?

>>545262527
Because 103, actually, is a nigger himself

>>545262276
I lurk on /v/ a lot and can talk about videogames every now and then
you cannot talk about any actual cup related topic here because even if the off chance your post doesn't get drowned in the millions of offtopic shitposts people ITT are excessively bitter and spiteful and make no attempt at actually addressing your points instead deflecting by calling you a fan of a certain team or accusing you of being a specific namefag
/4ccg/ is a horrible discussion outlet and this has been known for a decade or so (t. been watching the cup since '14)

I love Meira!
I love cum!
Yippie!

>>545218429
Anything but 20 because i'm on Intel

Remove the clown
Remove crimson
Make bobafan bobacommissioner

>>545262741
TL note: people here don't tell me what I want to hear

>>545262298
>drew Hisami and Zanmu from Touhou getting gangbanged by niggers
do you have any proofs of that haha

>>545262587
Unbased

ONE OHHHH THREEEEEE I LOVE YOUUUUU

>>545262991
sorry if I don't think that responding to any argument ever with "KWAB olay [namefag] i love zoer" etc. is funny, maybe you think as much becausz you're underage but I'm an adult and feel like I'm losing braincells whenever I try to have a conversation here

>>545263028
lo and behold
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/49934284#p49957811

>>545262069
There has been none of that on this thread yet, and you know why? Because constructive discussion keeps shitposting at bay.
Not using the thread is what makes it so shitty, it's a vicious cycle which can only be broken by legitimizing the thread.

>>545263338
It's very easy to ignore the nonsense posts. The annoying ones are the people who deflect and bring up stuff that doesn't matter, like the guy yesterday that couldn't stop talking about botting polls which wasn't relevant at all. That kind of thing is a constant of discussion anywhere you go though, that's not unique to this thread.

>>545263507
the main reason the thread is melting down is because Crimson (who I agree is a tremendous fag) made fun of 15 doomposters and that didn't sit right with folks who were spending the first few days of 15 constantly crying about every single insignificant thing because a lot of people ITT are butthurt over their beloved 17 going away
were you around on /4ccg/ in 2019 when 90% of the posts at any given time were just endless tears over PES18 because the manchildren ITT just couldn't accept temporarily gimped aesthetics for a cup od two? well /4ccg/'s reaction to PES15 just feels like it (albeit to a lesser degree because aesthetics didn't suffer this time around) and that was 6 years ago

>>545263913
TL note: people here don't share my opinions, so they aren’t relevant at all

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I didn't know mggg had a divegrass team
I'm excited to see them in pot 2 with nikg
in some ways, robot girls are also a type of monster girl
thank you for listening to my autism

>>545261786
holy based
this is exactly what i wanted, thanks drawfriend!

>>545263913
>That kind of thing is a constant of discussion anywhere you go though, that's not unique to this thread.
I'm not saying otherwise, just that expecting /admin/ to use a de facto shitposting outlet for genuine conversations is a waste of time
vglco doesn't really rely on /4ccg/ for discussion neither, but to their credit they are much more open to feedback and interaction overall through polls and the way they handle ASS compared to FB (which is an unironic circlejerk but that's not news neither)

>>545263975
>made fun of 15 doomposters
The main reasons are the fact he went as far as lying about VGLfags rigging the poll, the fact he keeps shitting on teams on stream, and the fact he keeps shitting on the thread instead of trying to improve it by using it. I don't care about anything else, I don't even mind 15 that much myself.
>were you around on /4ccg/ in 2019 when 90% of the posts at any given time were just endless tears over PES18
I was, and it got so bad that I stopped lurking the thread for a few days because I just couldn't keep up with the bitching. There's been very little of that this time, though. After the initial short shitfest the thread has mostly been talking about possible alternatives, which are far from counting as whining although they will probably never materialize.

>>545261786
/jp/hu sent their regards
>>>/jp/50257261

>>545264092
Is this >>545185203 you bro?

>>545264335
teams in the same pots get put in different groups, unless I misunderstood

>>545264335
I thought she was pregnant....

>>545264550
>After the initial short shitfest the thread has mostly been talking about possible alternatives, which are far from counting as whining although they will probably never materialize.
well fun fact anon, the last time rogue cup shitposting happened was precisely during that era because some people really didn't accept /admin/ keeping 18 around and not going back to 17, same shit but different flavor

>>545262752
>>545264594
Fuck off back to /v/

The issue is that admin finds an excuse to ignore any and all different opinions.

Viewers' opinions will never get respected for as long as they are posted anonymously and even if they were to voice them on dicksword they´d quickly be dismissed or ignored.
Managers have had the chance to speak to the 4CCC directly for quite a while and almost no changes have been pushed by them since then. This means they are either satisfied with the current state of things or are too afraid to voice their opinions with their names attached to them due to fear of being mocked by everyone who disagrees with them.
Reforming /admin/ or the Comissioner role will never be truly possible, as the only way to even be considered seriously for those roles by literally anyone is to be a cup oldfag with extensive managing/streaming/modding/hype making experience. This means, for good reason, that the power will always fall in the hands of the same kind of people and any attempt at changing that will only be for the worse. Hell, even trying to make them resign or holding them accountable would be a giant headache that would shake the cup´s structure way too much for it´s wellbeing.

Overall, for as much as I think changes are needed to keep the cup healthy and fun, I really don´t think /4ccg/, the managers or even /admin/ itself can realistically do much about it. If anyone tries to start their own cup with blackjack and hookers, most likely they will be unable to convince enough people to jump ship, build a new structure and ruleset, organize it or keep it running for long.

>>545264872
Doesn't sound that terrible, then. Certainly miles better than the shit listed on >>545262069

>>545264550
>lying about VGLfags rigging the poll
As long as nobody here seems even the slightest bit interested in the difference between lying and just being wrong, I'm not exactly going to take 4ccg seriously either.

>>545265065
Come back to your jail retarded gorilla

>>545265065
YUP YUP
YUUUUP

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>>545264335
/mggg/ has a cyborg on it actually (Assassinroid)

>>545264594
the hateboner for /u/ is based, however i think it's just contrast and not making whipkick black

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>>545264724
oh yea
sorry, not enough blood going to brain

>>545265315
A lie is a lie regardless of the intentions, especially when you say it with full conviction.
Also, going "oh look, you guys are wrong so I'm gonna keep ignoring you instead of telling you how things really are!" is an absolutely shitty mindset to have.

>/kotFC/ signed up for DBC but not /rabi/
Kot sweep inbound

>>545265467
Trying to explain things to /jp/hu fags is a waste of time, anon. They're a /v/ colony on /jp/, protected by the mods, which actively hates the rest of the board and viceversa. They're all brainless retards.

>>545265695
Thanks for proving my point.

>>545265812
easiest wooden spoon of their life

>>545265872
Yet they're better actual players at 2hu games than you are, jaysissy

>>545265315
Deliberately/willingly being wrong so you can push an agenda is lying. Bowling didn’t vote and to use 2 people* to imply that PES15 opposition was a VGL thing was disingenuous.

discussion (and one merc samefagging) hours

>>545265894
You're welcome. Likewise.

>>545265812
I want rabi, kot, doro and essex group.

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watchu talking about guys

>>545265872
Stop feeding the trolls.

>>545266082
fuck off