I sleep editionA new game and two projects will be announced at the Genkidamatsuri event on January 26 2026Minecraft x DBZ DLC is outXenoverse 2's Future Saga Chapter 3 is outFighterZ new balance update is outJump: Gathering announcedGekishin Squadra is outXV2 FUTURE SAGA CH.3 LAUNCH TRAILER http://youtu.be/FtxSegpS7TIGEKISHIN SQUADRA TOPPOhttp://youtu.be/2sX9nEP_KIUFIGHTERZ SS4 DAIMA GOKUhttp://youtu.be/fVtdkNqbiKE?t=96SPARKING ZERO DLC 3http://youtu.be/RsrbOrCaTBUhttp://youtu.be/WYNsTMcQBg8>Useful links:rentry.org/dft79XV2 news:>Future Saga 3 DLC on the way, release date TBA>Festival of Universes 3 ended, both Universe 6 and 11 won twice between 4 platforms.SDBH News/Resources:>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefileIf you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.Kakarot:>Daima DLC Part 2 will release in early 2026DB The Breakers:>Season 9 launched with DBZ Broly Raider>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)Thank youLAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>545139510
>>545434745
I love 21!
>>545435097cute
The reason why Futurehan is such a jobber is that he got too huge
>>545435097They're waiting for their husband.>>545435237Based
I got back into Xenoverse 2 lately after playing for just a couple hours a few months ago. I’m interested in the Future Saga stuff, how much do I need to play or do before I reach it? Story wise I finished Namek saga and can fly around the city now.
>>545435212did he really just expose how much of a casual non-fan he is? Gogeta came up with the name for himself, and even took the time to do so whilst Piccolo was telling him to stop fucking around and go fight.
>>545436654>how much do I need to play or do before I reach it?A shit ton. There's a LOT of DLCs.
>>54543602121 is their husband??
honestly suprised there was no push to make 21 canon with how ultra popular she was. I guess vomi was canonized with superhero
>>545437801why do you think Vomi was added in Super Hero? I would not doubt for a second that had Toriyama not died she would've been fully added to the canon as a future villain-turned-ally.
>>545436984I grabbed a couple that had stuff that interested me. Legendary pack set, Super pass, and the Daima pack. If I get any others it’s going to be during a sale. Which ones should I look out for?
>>545438016I mean that can still happen, assuming the rights stuff gets figured out
>>545438108it'll never be truly accepted because Toriyama's dead know. It'll always have the stink of fanfiction like GT has to deal with.
>>545438313GT doesn't have to deal with that because most people only watched it when they were 12 and only remember the good bits
>>545438087You should get the infinite history one for sure
>>545438407and even with the deck stacked in its favour there has still been 20+ years of arguments over whether to consider it "real" Dragon Ball. Don't forget, Toriyama himself said he liked the show.
>>545438016>why do you think Vomi was added in Super Hero?As a nod. Long term planning was never a DB thing.
>>545439452I never cared about what "real" dragonball is. Moro arc is more "real" than the return of cooler but I vastly prefer that
>>545442287that's a fusion of two characters (and a flower) of the cast, via some "the writer wanted it to happen" science malfunction. It had its own consciousness, was aware of being a fusion but also wanted to live as its own being, fuck the original fusees style
>>545442674And then Janeway forced the fused being to die to get the originals back, in spite of his panicked protests.
so if king enma had to fight raditz in order to get him into hell does that mean he had to fight all of goku's villians too? Is enma secretly kid buu tier?
>Our announcements (Optimistic)Dragon Ball Super Manga returnEither a Janemba, a Cooler movie, or a return of DBSXenoverse 3>Our announcements (pessimistic)No new animated project #1No new animated project #2 (or a DB remake)Crappy gachaslop #5>Our announcements (realistic)DB Remake50% Chance for a DBS movie, 40% chance for Daima season 2 or Daima movie, 10% chance the project isn't an animated one at all"smaller" scale game, like a musou or a cart racing game
>>545435097me on the right
>>545442964he is at bare minimum Frieza level because Frieza canonically was in HFIL. Cell isn't stated whether he actually went anywhere after he died (GT doesn't count), and Dabura after being freed from Babidi probably went back to HFIL willingly.
>>545444681Prove that you are Chichi right now!
>>545444884Go do the dishes.
>>545444875they explicitly sent dabura to heaven because hell wouldn't be much of a punishment, and I doubt that happened willingly, which probably makes enma vaugely perfect cell level
>>545442964He's explicitly weaker than King Kai who's explicitly weaker than Freeza, he just gets by on godly authority bullshit where the people he faces are just little soul clouds and probably can't go against his judgement since it's backed by Zeno / GP divine rules.
>>545445576king enma simply trained offscreen in the same time chamber frieza trained in. Jokes aside yeah I know it's just funny to extrapolate from one off side comments like that
>>545445004why punish Dabura? not like he had a choice in the matter.
>>545446293Given he's supposed to be satan, and that he got controlled by babidi at all given he can only control evil people, I think he was going to get punished no matter what
>>545446374homie was just vibin in the demon realm, following his baser nature
>>545442869What did you expect from a bipolar sociopath?
Assuming we get something else from Daima who would you want the villain to be and who else do you think should get Super Saiyan 4?
Any dbfz players here? Are there any good current guides for cell?
>>545448589Janemba is the obvious option. If we're not doing 'canon version of villains', someone who has similar magic trick to Gomah's but use them a lot more and a lot more actively.Hell, maybe we could have an artefacts / equipment based villain for once, kinda like a fully kitted out RPG character.
>>545449165>Any dbfz players here?I play from time to time.>Are there any good current guides for cell?Post latest patch? None that I've seen.
>>545435534everyone in xenoverse 2 is so fucking huge manit's like every model was taken along the X axis and streeeeeetched. everyone is so fucking bulky they look like a lego person.a lot of people shit on XV2 cause of the bad shading, but the models really are just horrendous themselves too.
>>545448589Canonize Janemba in a Daima movie centered around Goten and Trunks culminating in us finally seeing teen Gotenks in action. At the end they’d turn into SSJ4 Gotenks, a form they can only maintain while fused
>>545453020lol
Remember when Dark Angel Vegeta was all the rage?
>>545456802was this a 2005 thing or something, I don't remember this
XV2 Transformation mods got alot cooler now!https://twitter.com/o0demonboy0o/status/1986199051549991325?s=61&t=NhDzinQ8bpZWEILHqGb6IA
>>545456981I know it from Budokai AFhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMiVB_tupnQ
>>545458001who the fuck is matt. Also I like how "mirai pan" is just a pallete swapped videl
>>545457876>full moveset changes with transformations>move names even change in the palette nowlegitimately massive stuff, this was the big thing that was limiting XV2's potential in my eyes
>>545458192Now we can get>GT Transformations>UI Goku Transformation>Frieza's Forms>A Full Course Broly for BOTH Versions (also Kale)>Super Buu Absorptions>Fusions?!!!!The fuckin possibilities man!
>>545458958That looks more like a tiny Gohan than a big Piccolo
When the fuck is Bandai/DIMPS going to fix multiplayer for windows 10? Shit's been fucked since May.
For Xenoverse 2, to clarify. I'm retarded
>>545458192>they just invented Tenkaichi but worseWOW can't wait to not play that shit
Does the PS5 version of FighterZ have more input lag than PS4? Seeing some tournaments still use the PS4 version of the game, and wasn't sure if there was any reason.
Kefla giving (you) an aggressive handy
>>545468876I could tell it was aislop just from the thumbnail. You will never pass.
>>545459271adorable concept lol
It still blows my mind that Vegeta damn near looks better than Goku with the original SSJ3 hair and Daima screwed it up.
>>545475582>picHe looks like a special ed class kid.
Those Dragon Balls ain't do jack. Still hot tho!
>>545464001Does Tenkaichi have Chronoa?
>>545477557draw someone cummin in her shirt
>>545481363cute simian females (in heat)
Bonus TP and Zeni for xv2 right now!
>>545489701Zeni and Score* excuse me
>>545444281>Our announcements (Optimistic)>Dragon Ball Super Manga return
>>545475582blonde raditz
>>545444281>Optimistic>Dragon Ball Super Manga return
Wasn't Mr. Satan event in GS supposed to start 2.5 hours ago?
>>545493021in hyperbolic time
>>545457876This kinda tells us that Broly at first was meant to be playable in his base form before turning into Wrath then Super Saiyan and possibily Legendary if you can do it up to 3 times like basic super saiyanStill now that we have this, it should do away with characters stopping the action to transform into other forms now that plagued the old PQs and Raids, right?
>>545445707By default you arrive with no body, but divine beings can just make you a new one... from which one arrives at the inevitable conclusion that Enma gave Raditz a new body just to whoop his ass after he mouthed off to him.
>>544899169Explain how "evolving the Super Saiyan lineage" would go without resorting to saying they get Super Saiyan 1000 poder prohibito. It's easily the weakest path. Unless you introduce some kind of "Saiyan God" (no not the red haired form, an actual person).As of now every character except Broly and Jiren draw power from the gods or godly techniques.
>>545492345yes. brought to you by the same series where Goku, Bardock, Black, and Turles all look like Goku.
>>545492345Yep that's what Super Saiyan 3 has always been, and it looks rad as hell.
>>545494971>>545495054>well i like it!cool, i like daima SS3 instead
>>545495242>
>>545495705you just posted the old SS3
>>545438407Every Dolltaki scene was the good bit.
>want to use the 7x/5x/3x boost z-soul>get 0x like 90% of the time
>>545494971also King Vegeta and Tarble looking like Vegeta.
>>545495705This is unironically what some people want for the Fusions now. Welcome to hell, brought to you by Akira Toriyama.
>open Gekishin>click Standard Battle>get a match>fren chooses Bojack>alt+f4it's that simple
>>545496754This looks amazing
I'm a proud nu-DB hater, but the level of "old good new bad" hateboner people have for new Daima forms is something else "how dare it look DIFFERENT?!"
>>545496754You wirr rike the sketch Toriyama make of Begetto. He have hair go in front of face. You wirr rove it!
>>545496949I have no qualms about things looking different. I don't like how stupid both of them look. I don't mind orange Piccolo all that much since it's fairly decent.
Rate my new sketchu
>>545496949Or maybe it's because it looks exactly like Beast but blonde? Twice in a row, I'm surprised nuSS4 also doesn't have high upwards standing hair.
>>545497523HOLY PEAK!!11
>>545496754or just have one have upwards hair while the other gets downwards hair. Like for example Gogeta's upwards so that he doesn't just look like Goku, while Vegetto gets downwards cause he has two bangsez
>>545496949that one anon that genuinely thinks Toriyama did some war crime that will have the fandom forever torn asunder with the daima designs is hilarious to me, as if anyone outside extreme autists really cares this much about any of thislike most people i met, in real life, that don't like new stuff just say "i don't like it, hence i don't even care about what it does" and brush everything off, only extreme autists are in this kind of "i don't like it cause it's different but i want to like it cause it's <brand>!! This vexes me!" rock and hard place tardness
>>545497538You're going to rove this, trust me.
>>545498345>>545497523You laugh now but if these were real, in a decent artstyle, and Toriyama made them, people would think they look good.
>>545444281The "game" announcement will be more gachaslop and you will be happy. The project #1 will be a promotional 3-koma for the game published monthly on the back of cereal boxes (Japan exclusive) Project #2 will be 5 3 minutes episodes based on the same material as the comic strips (also Japan exclusive)
>>545497523
can you believe that this is what The Breakers team is doing with their time? Instead of making new content, they're whining about people on X.
>>545499067who even plays this anymore? KEK
>>545497523Ultra Vegetto 1... holy sh1t...
>>545499534Reading that was a slight relief. When I opened up X just a while ago and saw that intimidating white document, at a glance, it looked like it was going to be a letter announcing the inevitable End Of Service. I'm glad it's just typical Japanese retardation thinking they can police peoples' behavior on the internet.To answer your question, I haven't played the game in over a month. It's just gotten stale. Even the 33x experience boost didn't draw me back in and THAT would've been the peak time to play (in some streams I saw, people were gaining 13 level ups per game.) I could've amassed so much Zenny. I just don't care enough, I want to have FUN more than anything. I'll come back when(if?) they release new content or release a massive balance update that buffs every underused Survivor skill and nerfs Nimbus.
the Xenoverse 2 patcher tools have been updated! Revamp still hasn't been updated, but this is a great for when that eventually happens.
>>545500274I want to headpat her
New chapter draft based on Toriyama's last notes.
>>545501195At least the franchise is now gonna be free of this nonsense. No way Toyotaro will pretend to be Toriyama-lite and continue his tradition of doing dumb hairstyles, right?
>>545504583>jobbing to borutobros...
>>545504115Toyo has no say in the future of the franchise.
>>545504583>persona 5
>>545505443why is persona 5 called an anime game anyways. Every other game here is a game adaptation of an existing anime/manga property but persona 5 is just a game in the anime style
I remember reading this fucked up Doujin where perfect cell popped off "that" part and fucked 18 with his dong then proceed to rape chi chi and bulma and fired a blast from it
>>545510827>and fired a blast from itholy based cummahummaha
>>545510827Post the link nigga
It is extremely funny to me that people to this day still argue about who's the better goku mom between salagir's OC and Gine, given they're as far as possible from eachother in principle
>>545510827>"that" partThe jockstrap?
>>545513528I never even saw anyone mention that Salagir's gal in the internetz
>>545515253I've seen it on occasion, most recently browsing through Asura's art and seeing a slap fight in the comments over it
The GTfag yet again proves how soulless he actually is by shitting himself over Toriyama designs.
>>545513528Salad Gear's OC is an unironic bigger Mary Sue with worse writing associated with her
>>545515637I don't really get why people have a problem with Gine. Most I've seen is people saying it undermines goku's niceness because he got it from his mom when that just isn't true? Goku being a little shit and having to hit his head to become nice is something toriyama kept in minus, he's just a bit older. If anything, the only thing Goku inhereted from his mother is being extremely weak
>>545515810I think it's more about the same reason they dislike nu!Bardock. Goku having loving parents who saved him vs. a worthless runt no one cared about who survived exactly because no one wanted him around.
>>545516309I haven't much heard that criticism desu. Like I've heard about it in a vacuum people talking about it turning goku himself into superman but not about Gine as a character idea specifically. That being said, I can see why people dislike the superhero stuff but it's never bothered me. Mainly because I find the idea of bardock being seen as a weirdo because he loves his wife funny
>>545515810Ok, then what is the point of Gine existing and being a weird mutant nice Saiyan?
>>545519434About the same amount of reason fasha had to exist, she just looks cute for a couple of scenes and then dies
>>545515810>>545516309>>545516692The problem that speedreaders and those who hear about it second hand have is that Minus specifically shows Goku was a wild child still, he had attacked Gohan and only calmed down because of food. There's no specific retcon to his "Saiyan nature," there's nothing about Bardock or Gine that made him nicer. But the fact that Gine and Bardock aren't brutal savages sets certain people off.
>>545519624Fasha showed what the average female Saiyan was like. Gine shows what exactly?
>>545495705Daima SS3 is so awful, kek
>>545519894Fasha didn't really show much of anything, anon. She had maybe one line, if that? Basically all of her character just comes from her videogame appearances. People mostly care for her because of her design
>>545519894A non-combatant Saiyan? One who works more menial jobs because they suck at fighting?
>>545497523Make him black
>>545501195This is funny as shit idk why
>>545499067>Public order and moralsCapcom Fan Content Guidelines ahhh statement
>>545520329You may be brown
>>545505117Xenoverse 2 and FighterZ is likely already ahead of Boruto Storm tho
>>545520608I'd be brown if I enjoyed Beast Gohan and Daima SS3. Browns are known to enjoy anything that has the dragon ball label and call it peak.
>This is enjoyed by brownsLol idiot
>>545504583 How the hell did Naruto Shippuden Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 sell that much?
so what was the point of piccolo wasting 6 months letting gohan learn survival skills anyways, you'd think he would want to be powerleveling him as much as possible. Like sure I kind of get it from the perspective of "piccolo wants gohan to be HARD and TOUGH" but that would be learned through intense combat training too, no?
>>545521528>Fluffy hair>Reasonably sizedAryan. Now strawman harder.
>>545522043You said it yourself: this is enjoyed by browns. This was part of the basis for Gohan Beast, making yourself as a brown.
>>545516692Saiyan being seen as a weirdo because he's a family man is not bad in itself. But making such a saiyan Goku's dad specifically just kills the irony of his life.
>>545522258>Literal strawmanYou aren't very adept at reading, are you? Just because you don't like a thing doesn't mean you hate everything that inspired it. The reverse is true too. Do you like Steven Universe as a whole just because it has a fusion dance inspired by Dragon Ball's?
>>545522786I mean it's not like it has any real effect on Goku. Him and Bardock are still entirely different people and Bardock's situation had no effect on Goku's It's not like not beating your wife is a genetic thing bardock passed down
You should calm down.
>>545522897>Just because you don't like a thing doesn't mean you hate everything that inspired it.I find that hard to very believe.>Tumblr Universe out of thin airSee, who's the actual brown here?
>>545522974I mean, to a degree it is, but that's not the point. To reverse it, it's as if Katas was revealed to be a villain who sent proto-Piccolo to a savage planet like Earth hoping he'll get corrupted and grow into a demon. Piccolo/Kami's life still for the most part went the same, but the story still feels poorer with a twist like this.
honestly I feel like you could argue father of goku also kind of fucks with the goku story a bit, as it makes his fight with frieza this whole prophetic future sight thing >>545524986I mean, does it? Is Piccolo leaving because of storms that instrumental to his character in the same way feel goku being set off to die is to his
Also, doesn't father of goku do the thing where bardock was also this low class warrior who rose above his station to fight with the big leauges? People get mad about gine being nice but that feels far more egregious. Unless that's just a fanfic thing that got parroted, it's been a hot minute since i've watched the special
>>545525298Not really, since the vision only appears at the end, when all is said and done. Goku wasn't saved because of it. The ironic fate is set in motion the moment he' survived by being a worthless runt. But Minus changes it so that he survives by his parents love. Piccolo's life is inverted, in that he survives by his father's love, but then the savagery of Earth corrupts him. If his father's choice was deliberate and he hoped for him to become a demon, this would be lost as well.
>>545523196>Literally zero argumentI accept your concession.
>>545526730I don't think this dichotomy is instrumental to the points of goku and piccolo's character enough for it to be really all that damaging to their dynamic. Back when goku and piccolo were actually at odds with eachother we didn't have either of their backstories
>>545525692Funimation dub rather explicitly says he may become stronger than King Vegeta, but in Japanese there's pic related too.
>>545527174desu i'd argue bardock being able to do what goku did while staying within the framework of just being a normal genocidal saiyan is more damaging to goku's character and ethics than anything gine ever did
>>545527319Well Bardock got that strong thanks to abusing zenkais, while Goku knows how to become strong by just training. Bardock was also completely delusional in thinking he would be able to do anything to Freeza, only a few hours after Dodoria casually crushed him. It's still retarded for Bardock to be that strong though, and it plays no role in the movie too...
>>545527319>Get cursed by an alien and fighting more battles than most elites>Erm, why is he stronger than most saiyans? Pretty shit writing if you ask me.The fact this opinion is being used to defend Minus is comical.
>>545527871Even fucking Vegeta got stronger in this very way.
>>545527718>and it plays no role in the movie too...I mean you can argue that saiyans like bardock being able to get that strong that quickly is what spurred on frieza's fears of the Super Saiyan, given you have to remember that getting stronger at all is supposed to be really rare in setting. >>545527871That's not what I said, though. I'm well aware of zenkai abuse and how bardock can get that strong, i'm just saying I don't like it as it undermines the dynamic between goku and vegeta during saiyan saga, as well as goku's thesis during it. the question of if a lower class can surpass an elite has just already been answered by his own father, lmao
Also I don't even like minus that much, I don't think father of goku really needed to be retold at all, especially since it's directly referenced by the manga. I just don't think minus is this complete dogshit that DESTROYS goku nor do I think father of goku is perfect. But it served what it needed to do well enough that minus being made was questionable, I really do wonder why Toriyama felt the need to rewrite it.
>Sonicfag talking shitlmao
>>545525692Bardock wasn't all that special until he got a few massive Zenkais.
>>545528687I kind of wish zenkais weren't a thing, but toriyama needed a way to keep vegeta catching up with all the other stuff on namek so whatever
>>545528908Goku too. He got multiple Zenkais on the way to Namek just so he could surpass the Ginyu Force, and then got another one so absurd that made him jump from "Possibly weaker than Ginyu without Kaioken" to "Stronger than Piccolo and Vegeta post zenkai". It's just bad and rightfully abandoned in later arcs, Cell aside (And Cell's survival and power up are nonsense too).
>>545459271Like a fairy
>>545529628I didn't include goku becuase I don't think goku's zenkai was hard necesscary for the plot if only toriyama just made frieza a bit weaker. Vegeta was necesscary because he had to keep up with namek's escalation somehow. But yeah, I ultimately agree that it was right for toriyama to totally drop it and he SHOULD have dropped it. Cell getting effective zenkais just makes you question why no one else does
I like zenkais because they made Saiyans actually feel like a warrior race. It tied into Goku's philosophy of always fighting the strongest guy you could, too. They perfectly fit this series.
>>545531743>It tied into Goku's philosophy of always fighting the strongest guy you could, tooThis would be fine if Zenkais worked like that, but Vegeta being able to essentially game the system by being attacked by krillin and getting a million PL fucks them for me.
>>545531858to be fair they were in a specific context where they could get free healsalso>saiyans youths killing themselves for the zenkai boost challenge
Even goku's infamous namek zenkai wasn't really a "reward' for fighting strong people, it was a consequence of the captain Ginyu body swap. I get what you mean but zenkais are just far too strong and far too easy to game to the point where it feels less like them being a warrior and more like a videogame cheat code they can use to fuck you like oozaru
>>545477557 I want to cum inside this hag
>>545496754Canon Gogeta no longer has that window peak. He looks like Vegito with a single bang. Anyway, those look like shit and we already have a SS3 Vegito in Heroes that looks good.
>>545526909Gohan Beast is a nostalgic mix of Super Saiyan's first colored manga debut and SS2.If you saw it as anything else (including whatever off-topic /co/ garbage you randomly brought up), or obsess over it's protypical elements, you are brown period.
>>545534382I don't think that many people treat super saiyan's manga colors as all that nostalgic. Most people don't really read the manga in the first place. I also don't think it evoking nostalgia over ss2 is seen as a good thing by most people, given how blatant it is
>>545534237We had a SS3 Bejia in Heroes that looked good. They can and will reinvent the wheel.
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how do you prefer your super saiyan 4 trunks? purple fur or red fur
>>545528459Lil bro is in the wrong /dbg/
>>545534626>Most people don't really read the manga in the first place.Thinks America is the only country in the world award> I also don't think it evoking nostalgia over ss2 is seen as a good thingCell Arc is one of the most overglazed arcs of Dragon Ball, even outside America. Are you sure about that?
>>545534795Red fur.
>>545534795Red fur, purple hair. Seems simple
>>545534791How did his hair poke out of the thumbnail like that?
>>545535743i've seen quite a lot of bitching about how beast kind of makes no sense and how it's just wholesale ripping his ss2 transformation. Plenty of people don't care and just like gohan being cool, though. Also, being animeonly isn't a american thing it's just the default assumption for consumption as far as i've seen from fanbases
>>545534795Goku's lavenderish red fur but more obvious
>>545534715Well, if they must, then I hope they just fuck with Gogeta's current SS3 design, and let Vegito keep the current one.
>>545534903Pictured: the Beast mogging all of fiction like Silver Age Superman
>>545535743This ain't an America only thing. Most Europeans only know DB from anime, wtf you on about?
>>545535870Gohan Beast is stronger than even 4chan
>Who don't you like BeastIt looks dumb and it's a shameless ss2 ripoff. Why is this a discussion?
>>545536297I live in France and I don't know a single person that started dragon ball with Z without watching OG.I know more kids who only watched Super than people who only watched Z.
>>545536532we're not talking about starting with OGDB though we're talking about reading the manga
>>545536472The fact Gohan was shoehorned against Toriyama's wishes tells you all you need to know about this form.
>as a reward, I will be tracing your avatar
>>545537387maybe i'm not japanese enough to get this but what's so japanese about that picture?
>>545536771Fair enough
>>545537468I don't get it either. It's Tapion's clothes but blue.
>>545536914But people still suck Iyokel's dick Captcha:AHHAH
>>545537387>ffffffuck, that should have been me.
>>545532678Zenkais, like power levels, are a temporary fixture in the story that exist for the particular ideas Toriyama has at that time.Zenkais in particular serve to contrast Goku and Vegeta's methods and mentality now that Vegeta has begun to grow into the spiritual angle that Goku always had by abandoning scouters.While Goku's "zenkai" occurs naturally through constantly pushing himself, Vegeta just decides to try and cheat, and because he does that he gives up when he realizes it wasn't enough. He wanted the assured victory and broke down when that wasn't given to him.
>>545536914>against Toriyama's wishesThat's not a thing. Toriyama was just asked 'Hey, maybe Gohan could participate too' and he went 'Sure, let's go with that'.>>545537468>>545537732The shades of blue + Japanese helmet-like Fridge head.The accessory on the back also play a role.
>>545538361>While Goku's "zenkai" occurs naturally through constantly pushing himself,The Ginyu zenkai was complete luck due to a body swap, he wasn't even in his body when it got "pushed" I wouldn't really call that a method of training.
>>545537387>Sigma
>>545538447I guess? still feels like a stretch to call that especially Japanese like, especially the "samurai stoicism" bit.
>>545538625And the narrative doesn't treat that as anything special.Had that fight not happened, Goku would've fought Freeza in the same way- continually struggling and abusing a move that destroys his body, and only 'winning' through sheer force of will and strategy.
>>545538904>And the narrative doesn't treat that as anything special.idk anon he comes out of the pod being able to block frieza's death beams, which was treated like a pretty extreme feat of strength. If that fight hadn't happened goku would have maxed out at like maybe piccolo tier
>>545539128>idk anon he comes out of the pod being able to block frieza's death beams, which was treated like a pretty extreme feat of strength.He never interacted with Freeza before that point, and the scene is beat for beat identical to his arrival on Namek. Again, he's not really gaining anything there. He didn't lose to Freeza, and he was already significantly more powerful than everyone else.
>>545539231He wasn't though, he would have been weaker than piccolo who just got to namek after he got put in the pod. the ginyu zenkai was given so he could keep up with that new development
>>545522037Piccolo was like a teen in Namkean years so he wasn't smart enough to think of something like that
>>545539508>He wasn't though,According to made up power level charts.Piccolo, and Goku, and Freeza are as powerful as the narrative needed them to be. Goku is in the healing pod not so he can get stronger, but to delay his arrival into the fight. The idea is not that "Goku got super injured so he got stronger" there.
Requestan some cac autism
>>545539625yes anon I understand that these are made up characters and none of this is real, but that fight was keeping a constant level up upping escalation with fused piccolo, gohan pushing third form back, vegeta getting his zenkai. Goku coming out of the pod with his zenkai was just keeping the increasing chain of escalation that the plot was already doing with frieza's forms, so yes, him getting stronger in that pod is important to the plot the way toriyama set up the scenario
>>545539814Except my point is that any 'zenkai' Goku gains is not brought up by any characters.
>>545540005Vegeta pretty clearly remarks about it when he says that goku is the super saiyan he feared before frieza kills him
>>545538796That part is just Toyotaro waxing poetics about the 'slightly looking at the sky' pose, you see it a lot in samurai movies.
Goku just also pretty clearly brings it up here
Krillin and gohan remark about it here too, really every character including goku brings it up sans piccolo
>>545539625>akshually, Goku never punched Freeza, it was just a drawing, no movement ever happened there! what's more, there is no sensible way of saying Goku, Freeza, Gohan or Piccolo exist, it's just a series of drawings with but an illussion of continuity!This is how you sound. Embarrassing display of midwit.
>>545539648All my CaC autism was stuck on console and I never could find the motivation to remake it for PC
>>545539625>The idea is not that "Goku got super injured so he got stronger" there.Vegeta quite clearly says Goku is not strong enough to fight Freeza before he went into the healing pod. Sure that was done to delay his arrival, but the zenkai to power him up was also there.
To go back to the original discussion about zenkais fitting in with saiyans or not, I dunno I just don't think it fits that well. Stuff like them aging very slowly and generally being predisposed to violence is cool, but zenkai feels too much like a videogame comeback mechanic than something that feels fitting for alien space monkey barbarians
>>545539648Onia developed a unique technique/form, where she can control all ki within a short distance of herself, and form a dense construct out of it, absorbing enemy attacks to use far more ki to use than she'd be able to get out of herselfThe initial form was very powerful, but also very straining, to the point she couldn't use it effectively, so she developed variants where she uses individual aspects of it for better control and more longevity
>>545545425>Pirate Warriors 4 adds S-Snake>her alt-outfit is just the base outfit but barefootIt's that simple. When will DB games start giving fans what they want?
>>545547132Didn't mean to quote.
>>545547132Why did Akira Toriyama make Mega Man a teenage girl anyways?
>>545545425I don't know, it seems fitting to me, adds to the whole survival of the fittest thing. Most young'uns probably die, but the one who managed to survive are better for it. It gets tiring on Namek due to the whole power-up ping-pong thing though.
>>545547947I don't really get how it creates a survival of the fittest situation if no one seems to really abuse zenkai at all usually. The fact that the caste system exists at all kind of implies power levels are relatively static with some wiggle room. also leaving weak people to the woods would still happen regardless if zenkai was a thing or not. I'm not saying saiyans should be entirely incapable of getting stronger at all it's just that magically being able to leapfrog crazy amounts of power for the low low price of eating shit is a bit goofy
>>545548256It's not a low-low price. In a situation when you're near death, most of the time you'll just die. The problem with zenkai is that due to it being used a crutch, the effects were getting stronger with each use instead of giving diminishing returns.
>>545548593if it was only really abusable with something like dende healing or senzu beans, sure, I could buy it. But it also works with healing pods as evidenced by bardock and goku, which makes it readily available to be abused by anyone with enough time and masochism
>>545538625Actual Scholarbro...
>>545548801Healing pods are probably a relatively new thing. And if you try to get someone to beat you to near death, he might just kill you before getting you healed. Who knows, some might just succumb to their wounds in the healing pods themselves because it's not as instantenous as Dende or Senzu.
>>545548801i imagine they had a rule against that cause otherwise every saiyan there would be constantly hurt themselves to near death and constantly be in healing pods. As another anon said it's something toriyama came up on a whim and we're just not supposed to think too much about it, otherwise the cracks show up pretty quick (though it's shit that takes two seconds, a literal line by a random character, to "fix")
>>545545425>videogame comeback mechanicYou ever heard the saying "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"? You ever fucking work out? Really think for a minute what working out is. You damage your muscle fibers and then they heal and come back stronger.Zenkais are just that but superpowered and that makes sense for a warrior race.
>>545549390>would be constantly hurt themselves to near deathIt doesn't work with self harm according to Vegeta.
>>545549727i suppose they'd do it to each other, a zenkai brojob. Zenkai circlejerks
>>545548801Saiyans would kill injured comrades like Bejita did to Nappa.
>>545549975Yeah, that's the main issue with zenkais, it's too easy to exploit.
I guess what my real issue with it is that it's both something that's conciously abusable, which turns it from a cool warrior thing where they come back stronger after every defeat and they're LUDICROUSLY strong as evidenced by both the end of namek and cell's zenkai. This shit can take you from below ginyu level to rivaling frieza in base just from one. Cell's zenkai just gave him his equivilant of super saiyan 2 for free. It's also inconsistent too, given Goku nor vegeta after saiyan saga got all that much stronger after their respective zenkais. Vegeta was able to beat cui but was still pretty weak
>>545550824>which turns it from a cool warrior thing where they come back strongerturns them from something where it's a warrior coming back stronger and cheapens it into pure number gain* Overall, i'd like to just go with the headcanon that zenkai burns out once you get super saiyan but cell shits all over that
>>545550824>given Goku nor vegeta after saiyan saga got all that much stronger after their respective zenkais.Goku went from around Ginyu's level to stronger than third form Freeza, which's his biggest jump in power in the entire manga, not counting transformations... The zenkais he got on the way to Namek also made him go from possibly weaker than Vegeta (Unknown how strong he was after leaving the hospital) to stronger than most Ginyu Force members, although that one was a week of torture.
Most zenkais were small boosts. Bejita got 2 8k boosts before getting anything substantial. Goku got several on and off screen before getting the massive one.
>>545551179you could argue the one week of training could have been several zenkais too, so it doesn't feel as bad as the post ginyu one>>545551189if they stayed relatively small boosts and you couldn't rely on them to jump you massive boosts in power i'd be more okay with it
>>545551045I never liked that headcanon. Does postponing unlocking SS mean you can grind zenkais? I saw a decent headcanon for Cell you might like.
>>545551516>Does postponing unlocking SS mean you can grind zenkaisAssumedly not? Putting yourself in the stressful situations where zenkais would be viable would probably push you into super saiyan anyways, no? That aside do share
I'd like if the one zenkai Bejita got from Krillin was removed. That was dumb ngl.Zenkais more or less happened as a response to a need. If the Saiyan in question needed a huge boost or a small one they got it.Also a lot of people forget this but Gohan got a zenkai. I saw someone try claiming hybrids don't get zenkais once kek.>>545551628Herearooo. I don't like it but you might.
>>545551408>if they stayed relatively small boosts and you couldn't rely on them to jump you massive boosts in power i'd be more okay with itIt's because the gains are inconsistent that it's hardly reliable. And the more you try stacking it, the bigger chance it just actually kills you by accident.
>>545552156I inherently don't like the idea of trying to science-ify something as vauge as zenkais but I do like the idea of connecting them with the super saiyan state>>545552305tbf even something like the "smaller" zenkais would be immediately worth it for someone like raditz or nappa. But overall I think the main thing is there just wasn't all that much pressure for saiyans to even go for zenkais at all due to oozaru, and if their oozaru couldn't do it they just probably werent put on that mission
>>545552156also, trying to apply evolution like it some concious force that's turning off zenkai is weird to me, why would saiyans somehow survive better without zenkai once they have super saiyan? what was the evolutionary pressure for that to happen?
>>545552929The NCBug poster (the guy in the image, iykyk) was kind of a pretentious moron. I feuded with him a few times.
Also if the evolutionary process lead to Saiyans getting SS, then why was it so rare in the first place? That's my deal with most Saiyan sci fi things. Super Saiyan has never and will never be some commonplace thing.
I think the easiest way to reconcile the theory is to just say "whatever supreme kai that facillitated the growth of the saiyans intentionally made it so their zenkai turns off once they get super saiyan so they don't get too powerful and throw off balance in the universe" or something like that
>my team and the enemy both lost two GoDs>we got two bosses, the enemies got zero>my team surrenderedHOLY FUCK WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>>545554139Maybe they got bored
>>545551408>you could argue the one week of training could have been several zenkais too, so it doesn't feel as bad as the post ginyu oneIt was. The narrator claims as such, even saying he ate up four out of seven senzus.
>>545554601then yeah, goku getting 8 zenkais that cumulatively put him up to being stronger than the ginyu force is a lot easier to stomach than one making him able to contest frieza's final form
>fren chooses #17 as a hero and Shu as a helper>name is "dragon ball"alt + f4I'm not putting in work on the bottom lane just to see top lane randomly collapse because my Tech is a retarded bot. We need to make ragequits at a sign of a bot a standard.
>>545499067people spamming Puar at them?
>>545475582>that Vegeta damn near looks better than Goku with the original SSJ3 hairVegetafags keep making up new ways to cope that their guy didn't get SSJ3
>>545558897>and Shu as a helpertbf, maybe he just wants something to delay Hit tower rushing, or to tone down Hit from being annoying in a fight. I tend to pick Shu with any technical because of that.
Shit I accidentally had sex with Supreme Overlord frieza of time
>>545561986who topped
>>545562046My power reached 62 billion before the scouter broke
>>545562153So you're a bottom.
if the one with the bigger powerlevel tops does this mean chichi is stronger than goku? the alternative would imply that Goku tops and i'm not quite sure i'm ready to accept such an implication, i'm not sure if the world itself could accept that
>>545565068Chichi is a power bottom.
>>545566556what about bulma, I can't imagine her as a bottom at all. Given she's a rich person I don't think I want to imagine the freaky shit she's gotten up to with vegeta
>>545566556meant for >>545565227
1 CaC to go, also the hardest to level, a pure striker female buu...
>>545566730It's confirmed they have bath sex at minimum
>>545565227Chichi is a tradwife, she doesn't top
>>545568219I cannot believe for even a second goku plapped chichi without a step by step guideline
>>545568350You're talking about a dude who's main power up now is called Ultra Instinct.
>>545568616goku had to earn the right to plap chichi through trial and tribulations, sure maybe super goku could do it, but this is post 23rd/ pre cell games goku we're talking about
>>545568616ultra instinct, not ultra dicking
FINE, I ADMIT ITI WANT TO FUCK KALEARE YOU ALL HAPPY NOW!?
>>545569051wanting to fuck space monkeys is the duty of all in /dbg/
You'd think normal earth women would've gained ki or somehow absorbed it as soon as you cum inside them
whenever I see fused bulma and chichi I remember multiverse vegito decided to stay married to bulma and only bulma and I laugh
>>545570375Lazulma?
>>545570552>Vegito x Bulchinow THAT is a power couple
>>545570375female fusions getting a tube top instead of just rocking the vest is cowardice
>>545568616 Fucking is not Goku's instinct
>>545568350>>545572218You realize that Goku's only formal education was reading erotica, right
>>545572218Don't mix up Goku with yourself
>>545573854 You know I'm right, Goku's autonomous instinct is always to fight not fuck
Bob > Pixie Cut > Pigtails > Rat Tail.Bite me.
>>545571445 It stems from the original Bulchi pic
Are Androids immortal?
>>545521704Because Naruto was the best Big 3 shonen and Storm 4 covered the end of the manga/anime. One Piece is a close second but I think the length of that manga has started to hurt it more than help as far as accessibility. If I was going to start One Piece I feel the only way to do it in a timely manner would be to read the manga and just watch the corresponding anime episodes for big fights. I don't have time to watch 1100 episodes of anything. lol
>>545571445that's exactly how i feel about female Super Saiyan 4's. although i do believe in modesty fur, as well.
>>545575239sex with all Videl forms
>>545578543they should be totally bare with the nips out. Learning to get over the shame and embarassment of being topless should be a part of a female saiyan's growth as a fighter
>>545566730100% tops vegeta. Occasionally he's riled up enough to make it even but she helms that relationship
>>545578543I vastly prefer the fur bra over just a random tube top, but I dunno it's weird to consider why super saiyan 4 is randomly more modest for women then men.. Still think super saiyan 4 looks really good on female saiyans and it's a shame we'll never see it on anyone other than Note
ENTER my FUARKING HERO!
>>545577193I honestly don't know. 18 looks like she's aged a little but 17 sure as fuck hasn't. So maybe it's a choice? Biodroids are weird.
>>545584086But he's evil and wants to kill you!
>here's your female saiyan bro
>>545577193They seemingly age slower and don't really need food IIRC
New Jijii AF chapter is outhttps://youtu.be/HLcMA_dsF7s
>>545577193She'll outlive krillin and probably marry again after he dies
>>545565068He's really is a nice guy!
>>545587952Vegitosissies.....
I think at some point power levels become so high you can't punch your opponent to death anymore like infinite zamasu
>>545586120Brocku Leznaru?
>>545588954
>>545585427that's true. i should've said my FUARKING VILLAIN!
Bump
>>545577193Well, #18 didn't age noticeably by EoZ, but she's supposedly much younger than Bulma and Chi-Chi, so even if she aged normally, she'd still appear youthful.
Breast Milk for Xenoverse
>>545590043N-no...
>>545602694Are space sheilas all like this?
>>545589086>like infinite zamasuor maybe because he well, WISHED to become immortalyou cant punch Garlic Jr to death either
>zeni event in gekishin gives just 7000 zeni
We're dead
>>545617242i blame the lack of fusions 2there's literally no reason for them to not make it, even with chibi graphics people would still play itand if all else fails, make it a gacha
>>545571445You're a coomer>>545575239>Bob over anything>>545587952Holy FVARK. Is it out to the public yet? I aint watching some guy read over it.
>>545619308>You're a coomerand? who cares it's just anime tits
>>545607971I'm pretty everyone with a big power level is immortal anywaysThere's probably nowhere you can train to punch zeno to death since he's a god that can't die either
>>545619809nothing is immune from being punched to death in this series, if you look like you cant punch it to death the puncher wasn't punching hard enough
>>545620276Toriyama seemed to be pretty adamant about his new power ceiling in DBS howeverAnd in Xenoverse and Heroes where everyone is on steroids they literally have to rely on time travel and macguffins because of the BS they deal with
>>545620390the power ceiling is weird due to differences between ultra instinct in the anime/movie continuity compared to the manga. Goku clearly hasn't surpassed beerus in the manga whereas he vaugely maybe kinda possibly has in the animated stuff, once he can control UI at the least. the angels being this completely impregnable power cieling is iffy due to us still being iffy on the beerus question
>>545620531Anime makes ot clear that UIku>Jiren>Beerus. Should Goku master UI, he's above GoDs and at the doorstep of angels.
You can one shot anyone if you're far enough above them. Whis stopped Moro with one finger while not caring at all. Angel absorbed Moro btw.The Grand Priest no diffs and one shots enerything
>>545620823>shartnga
>>545620812UI goku not being above beerus is honestly weirder than the alternative. Whis was pretty clear most of his strength is because of his mastery of ultra instinct and it's something that beerus explicitly could not do. Why would he still be weaker than beerus if he can use ultra instinct?
>>545620823wait, did he? I just remember him opening the barrier and letting Meerus in knowing Meerus was about to get himself killed. I don't recall him doing anything to Moro at all, in fact when Moro became schizomoro all I recall is him telling Goku to focus on why Ultra Instinct works rather than trying to brute force it.
>>545620823>The Grand Priest no diffs and one shots everythingIf we got the Raditz from the DB Super Hero leak, he would have been able to beat him.
>>545621307>SHITditzGets one tapped by a strong wind>>545621203Whis could beat Moro after he absorbed Merus.
>>545621032Beerus' power cliff is a joke that isn't funny. It could make a bit of sense with SSB in that he wasn't used to tapping into his full strength, but once it gets into SSB Kaioken X20 and Ultra Instinct that's when you might as well have him go up against one of the other GoDs before Morro and Granola.
>>545621032>Whis was pretty clear most of his strength is because of his mastery of ultra instinctWait frl? I always thought the angels were just born as hyper strong beings.
>>545621503have Goku*>>545621454What was stopping Vegeta from using Spirit Fission here?
I don't think the original intention was for Goku to ever enter the Angel's realm of power. UI Goku surpasses Beerus but the gap between Beerus and Whis and bigger than the Gap between BoG SSG Goku and Beerus.MUI Goku is like 2 levels of surpassing the GoDs.MUI Goku >= Beyond Limits Jiren > Full Power Jiren > Beerus
>>545621620Whis has a lot of other abilities other than UI, he's practically a walking plot device closer to Shenron than he is to other characters in concept
>>545621621>spirit fissionToyotaro forgot about it.
>>545621621>stopping Vegeta from using Spirit Fission hereHe uses Spirit Fission later. idk>but the gap between Beerus and Whis is bigger than the Gap between BoG SSG Goku and BeerusThis is funnier in the context of Super.
vegeta attempting to use ultra ego in order to catch up with ultra instinct feels like tien trying to use kaioken to catch up with ultimate gohan
>>545620951>CANONga
>>545622236Maybe he should ask El Grande Padre to teach him the Angel's erasure ability if he wants a better version of hakai that could compete with ultra instinct
>>545622236To be fair, comparing it to Kenpachi from Bleach, totally not head canon here: with enough stored up damage Vegeta can one tap anything that doesn't knock him out outright. Pretty good ability considering his endurance.
>>545622679except we basically never see that, vegeta has gotten knocked down three times by this point from using ultra ego. It just gets increasingly worse as fighters like gohan and broly can output similar levels of power without having to get their asses beat first
>>545622236What the fuark can you do with him under the pretense that him and Goku have to be equal. You can't because Bejita doesn't want UI.
>>545622679It sounds like a half assed way of writing zenkais back into the story which Goku Black did better
NANI- THAT JIREN GUYHE'S STRONGER THAN TIME
>>545622827it wouldn't really be that hard to go with further evolutions of super saiyan like from blue evolved, and the whole point of that analogy was trying to use a technique from a being that's just explicitly worse than the other guy in order to catch up feels kind of silly
>>545622883Zenkais wouldn't even be that OP now since everyone gets free rage boosts and power ups that increase their PL exponentially mid battle
>>545622982>evolutions of super saiyan like from blue evolvedJust as inferior to UI as UE is, if not more.>>545623019TRVKE. Man I hate this system of battle. Everyone is Broly and Gohan.
>>545623075>Just as inferior to UI as UE is, if not more.eh, there's more wiggle room with it because narratively you can kind of just do whatever you want due to further super saiyan evolutions being a mystery box unless you want to count broly. With beerus we explicitly know how strong he is and it's still infinitely weaker than whis
>>545623182>See the Saiyans secretly have always had the potential to surpass Whis they just had to get angry enoughWelcome back, Super Saiyan 100.
>>545623334it's not like using saiyans using their power to surpass the gods isn't something that hasn't happened like 4 times over by this point tbf
>>545571445I second this
>>545623334also this is essentially exactly what happened with gohan beast
>>545623182I don't think transformations really have set multipliers anymore since they can apparently change and aren't limited to their original increase depending on the needs of the plot. See SSJ2.If they wanted to they would say SSBE's multiplier can magically become a gazillion times greater.
>>545623518>this is essentially exactly what happened with [HOT GARBAGE]We know. You can google Gohan Beast and within 5 minutes find someone say this exact complaint.
>>545623626I mean I don't like beast either but the point is it's not some unprecedented thing for saiyan potential to get up that high with the advent of broly and gohan. Granted, I guess adding a third SAIYAN POTENTIAL character would be a bit much but i'm not sure what else to do with vegeta. Ultra Ego is dumb and doesn't make any sense but what else is there other than blue evolved
>>545623771Maybe they can copy from extended media and give Vegeta a Super Shenron empowered mode or something
>>545623771I get your plight. There is nothing satisfying you could do. I just want you to realize that like I have. Bejita awkwardly tagging along him all the time is not really the way forward but it's being forced because he's marketable.I think Toyo salvaged what he could.
>>545623998I don't really like the GT alternative of him sitting in the shower and having a whole flashback episodes about goku either, him retiring by this point is uncharacteristic as well too. I guess you can take a card from what he was saying from his lines in superhero and try to have him take stuff from Jiren? No idea how that'd actually manifest in practice, though
It's over Bejita. You will never beat me.
>>545624314That looks like a form from an actual DB game
>>545624180I don't mind the GT alternative. It flowed better. He's a grown man and acts like it. He actually cares about his family and defending the Earth is important to him.>>545624314Holy FVARK... SSJ5 Evil Goten might need to go half power for this...
>>545602694YESYEEEESSSI LOVE BONYUI would destroy everyone in PVP with her.
The lack of character creation killed Sparking Zero...
>>545624752Vegeta very much cares for his family and the earth in super, though? It's a big part of blue evolved and all that. Pretty much all of vegeta's angst and pride is entirely kayfabe that he drops the second the situation gets real in super. I feel people like the *idea* of GT vegeta but in execution he's pretty much a non character who does basically nothing but be the butt of a joke until the very end where he gets to be fusion fodder for gogeta
>>545624894Spike Chunsoft being allowed to work on the game after Ultimate Tenkaichi, Dragon Ball Z for Kinect, J-Stars Victory Vs, and Jump Force killed it.
>>545624936>until the very end where he gets to be fusion fodderWow GT is just like Dragon Ball Z! Almost like Bejita was never meant to be super prominent.
>>545625103Vegeta gets to drive the plot in basically every arc of Z, though? Like sure he doesn't win but he's very much so a major character who's doing things to push the plot forward
>>545625172And everytime he acted villainous. We're set on Bejita being a good guy now and good guy Bejita doesn't do anything interesting.
>>545625103Bejita is always in a team with Goku so he's actually worse off than characters like Trunks and Gohan who are less associated with Goku. This means they're more likely to get spinoffs that focus on them alone instead of sharing the spotlight with Goku.
>>545625454You're fine to think that but i'm more contesting the idea that vegeta GT was this great rendition of his character when he really just didn't do anything except get made fun of by bra and have a flashback episode in the shower
>TAKE THIS, MY NEW FINISHING MOVE>it does fucking nothingThanks for the reminder of how bad the Super 17 arc was, anon.
>>545626919I should go back and actually watch super 17, I skipped over it on my rewatch because I was pretty burnt out from the last third or so of baby saga. Not that most of shadow dragons turned out to be any better
>>545622679the issue there is that while the ability might work like that Vegeta still jobs just as much as he did without it. It's like bringing a gun to a sword fight and then still using swords to fight and never use the gun
>>545627956I think what really fucks it for me is the idea that vegeta can be straight oneshot right through it. Like, sure if it was something like a death beam going straight through his heart I could see it. But he got punched straight out of the form by frieza, that's embarassing
>>545622827>You can't because Bejita doesn't want UI.Literally bullshit made up by Toyotaro, UI is what Vegeta has trained for under Whis for all of Super.
>>545628135that too, form is all about tanking hits (supposedly at least) but a strong enough hit still overcomes itthen again, that bit with Frieza was very clearly rushed and made with no proper ideas behind it, as if they came up with cool design for a form and introduced it just to show it to people, especially given how they all basically forgot about it and kept going as if it never happened. Not unlike ultra ego i guess?
>>545628490Doesn't vegeta want to claim to follow his own path during the super anime? I don't like vegeta being out to be this super tsundere contrarian either, though
>>545624894i see where this line of reasoning and follow it, but i think the real coup de grace is the lack of live 2v2's or 3v3's. one of the most massive selling points of XV2, even if you don't care about the CaC stuff at all, is that you can slam like 8 action figures together at once instead of just 2. Rhymestyle (DBtuber) did a poll yesterday asking what fans would rather him play between all the new DB games and Xenoverse 2 still smoked everything else because it's the only game where he and his friends can all fight at the same time instead of taking turns. Sparking Zero should have at the very least supported 4 players battling at once. especially with how huge the maps are. can you imagine seeing a blast destroy one of the giant buildings in the background of the City map because your buddy is in a heated battle while you're fighting your own heated battle closer to the World Tournament arena section of the City? shit like that would've gone crazy on YouTube and in clips.
>>545628542Black frieza is referenced in the manga again during the introduction to toyo's version of superhero, no?
>>545628565He says that after trying and failing to use UI 5 seconds ago, it's just sour grapes on the spot. He was declaring 'I'll win anyway!', not 'I refuse to ever ever use the obvious next step in my training after I begged Whis to train me'.
>>545628646*i see where people find this line of reasoning and follow it*
do you prefer super saiyan tails to go golden or stay brown. For the sake of argument assume it's fully one or the other, nothing like "only gold in 3"
>>545628958Probably golden
Holy fuck, Sparking! Zero got btfo https://youtu.be/N6N9EgcMOTM?si=lOCd48NqAHLW5_2C
>>545571445Her tits would fly out every time she moved, anon
>>545632447if super saiyan can keep the hair static, i'm sure metamorean fusion can keep the vest static. That aside i'd be fine if the vest was bigger on females or something, I just want them to keep it as a vest instead of having it be a tube top
>>545628646Sounds KINO as FVARK. Imagine a group of siblings all playing together.Man what the hell happened to local multiplayer. I was looking up to see if you could play that one AoT game with two people and it's yes but only with two different computers over a network. Retarded. Sparking Zero has a fairly gutted local multiplayer too.
>>545632447and that's a good thing
>>545633119Local multiplayer is dying and it sucks. I grew up with 3 brothers and a considerable amount of cousins and we had multiple games for 4 players. Those are super rare now...>Sparking Zero has a fairly gutted local multiplayer tooLet me remind you that they didn't even plan to include that at first, which was straight up ridiculous. I think it's reasonable to assume a good portion of BT3 players used to play with friends, at their homes.
to be fair, the main target audience of a new budokai game is the adults that grew up with up bt3, and most adults aren't the kinds of people to care about couch co-op and instead just prefer online. It's a nice novelty really but I don't really know anyone who cares that much about couch coop aside from a very occasional party thing
>>545632613>vest instead of having it be a tube topXeno Gotenks perfected the look. We're never getting a female metamoran but if we are I hope we get this. Vest is too risque, this is a kid's franchise.
>>545633825>a good portion of BT3 players used to play with friends, at their homes.Yup YUP! I had 4 sisters growing up and much the same experience. Local multiplayer is better than online.>>545634336Huh? Man your perception is warped.
>>545633817I didn't say it was bad anon
are we gonna be okay, bros?
>>545638254Always
>>545636428warped from what? Like I very well understand that couch coop was a thing when we were kids but it's just not as common these days, both from my experiences and from people I talk to. It's nostalgic sure but not something I personally care about that much unless it's being brought to a party or something
>>545636080>Vest is too risque, this is a kid's franchise.Well yeah, obviously, I'm not saying mainline dragonball NEEDS to have ss4 fur bras or vest only female metamoreans, it's just a design thing I prefer in art, like golden saiyan tails when in super saiyan
>>545638359hell yeah
>>545622907who is that supposed to be, adult Pan?
>>545639931That's a very cute CaC
>>545638254Who are you?
It's up on sadpanda!
>>545642627Based
>>545642627was just wondering when he was gonna make a new doujin
>>545639715When you have siblings/children local multiplayer will always be a loved thing no matter what generation you live in. This franchise will always be known amongst kids so they'll always want to play with their siblings.
Holy FUARK
>>545642627>that sequel setupI might actually have to kick him a few doubloons, it's not often an artist really knows how to deliver the goods
New info.
>>545644373Okay so a DB remake is definitely going to be project #1Project #2 is either the manga returning or a new Daima or Super movie.
>>545640785thank you!>>545641761i'm me, obviously
>>545644505OG DB has 153 episodesHow many episodes can they reduce to in a remake?
>1 game away from S rank>Some guy throws the game because he didnt want to lane with frieza top>He was using UubEven if we had already lost due to his pick, this street shitter behaviour is fitting to his pick
>>545645395Uub players are the worst
>>545644373This isn't new info PajeetChronicles
>>545639875>it's just a design thing I prefer in artI think the tight black top would look more aesthetic than having the breasts raw dogging it. It's better to have them be covered because it lets your imagination do the work or something.I like golden tails but idk if I like them more than brown. I like tails being there in general more than any color in particular.
>>545646015it's partially a consistency thing for me, every other piece of body hair including eyebrows go golden, so the tail staying brown is just kind of odd. I also just think it looks cool, but that's just a me thing. Overall, yeah, tails cool, and pullable.
>>545638254We're gonna tank this
Dump the Yamamoto doujin I dont have a sadpanda account
Official dps power rankings from B rank to S rank>Goku, SS3 Goku, KaleI always feel at peace whenever people pick them, even if the players are braindead the characters are so strong it doesnt matter>Toppo, 18, TrunksSolid but cant carry retards>Power gap>PiccoloClose to autolose territory, their abiltiy to snipe bosses can come in clutch >Power gap>Uub, Daimaku, BojackInsta lose, you automatically do not have proper dps, tank and tech must carry the game
>>545643790bring back this style of hair, it looks so good it's unreal
>>545638254>gekishin discussion already completely dried upit's over i'm afraid, R.
>>545646810Nah man we NEED the bananas and also the whole show should look like plastic and have the colors blown out.
>>545642627literally just Multiverse
>>545647085multiverse vegito would NEVER, he's loyal to his one and only real wife bulma and would never fuck chichi (Honestly dont understand why salagir made it like this, it's just weird, the entire relationship between the goku side of the family and vegito is just weird in multiverse)
>>545647652Vegetto in Multiverse is literally just Vegeta and only Vegeta, Chichi even dismiss Goku as dead despite it making 0 sense.
>Multiverse Vegito didn't fuck Caulifla (ofc because she didn't exist yet)He was never going to make it. Also how the fuck did Vegito get eliminated?
>>545646378they are not ready for Majin Trick>>545647021it may be be gekishinover, but we are so xenoback!
>>545647652Goku deserves less in Salagir's eyes, and that extends to his family
>>545647928XXI put him into a dimension where a second in it was 2 hours in real time, and forced an elimination via time out
>>545647928>Also how the fuck did Vegito get eliminated?He got put in a dimension with time bullshit so by the time he broke out, he had been disqualified.
>>545647923well you see anon, his name starts with V, and gogeta's name starts with G, therefore Vegito has to be the vegeta one so goku is dead
>>545647021Everyone is already S or SS, we're just gonna have to wait for next season
>>545647652Becuse he's a COWARD. If it was me, Chichi and Bulma would have fused.>545647928Schizophrenic hands made this post
Reminds me of this one Twitter account.There are a few things in this fandom that confuse me. One of them is the dandelion and Bardock thing. It looks to be comic dubs but there is some kind of lore I am not aware of. Another thing that perplexes me is this one Twitter account obsessed with their Gogeta x Bulchi child OC to the point they have admitted they self insert into them.
it's really funny to me that bulma is just not a character in multiverse, no universe' bulma ever shows up to the tournament despite things you would really want to see like how she copes with vegito as her husband but nah, retelling of the 21st budokai but no goku Jokes aside the no goku universe is by far my favorite universe premise and the only glimpse we got into it was one of the few arcs that doesn't change at all whether or not goku is there
>>545648707>obsessed with their Gogeta x Bulchi child OC to the point they have admitted they self insert into them.Do they at least have a cool design?
>>545648797Salagir was just continuing off of a really long trend. Bulma hasn't been an active character for a while. You can count on one hand the amount of time Bulma has been useful to the plot in post revival DB.
>>545649006videl was never useful to the plot but she gets to show up, she even gets kaioken and the z sword somehow. That videl concept was so based that salagir had to nerf her by saying "oh the z sword wasn't that hard to lift it was just only impossible for kais haha"
>>545649217>Z-Sword Videl got nerfed from how the Z-Sword works in canonJust when I thought I couldn't hate Multiverse any more. Christ Almighty.
>>545649217>oh the z sword wasn't that hard to lift it was just only impossible for kais haha"Post him saying this or you're lying.I get what you mean now. Running off of the Multiverse thing one Bulma had to have been Tony Stark somewhere.
>>545649416i'm going off secondhand information here but you can just kind of imply it from how weak she is, she's nowhere near the strength of any buu saga character, much less gohan. She pretty much only exists to break the z sword so old kai can show up and make mystic raditz who also does nothing
>>545649217>"oh the z sword wasn't that hard to lift it was just only impossible for kais haha"EVEN GOKU HAD TROUBLE LIFTING IT IN THE GODDAMN MANGA YOU FROG
which sucks because kaioken videl with the z sword is one of the coolest concepts i've seen in a fanfic and it goes nowhere, we don't even get a backstory as to why she has kaioken or the zsword she just jobs and disappears from the story. Though, i'm not sure how much I actually want to see what goes on in that universe as a part of me just thinks it's gonna be "they use destructo disk/mafuba/etc to instakill the boss"
>>545649549I need to see retardation. I don't want second hand inferences
>>545649810I would have no idea where to find those first hand accounts because I dont speak french and those are decades old, sorry anon. I do know there's a power level chart floating around somewhere, though, and that would probably clear things up. I'm not sure if anyone has that though
>>545649965Back up your claims or else I aint believin them
>>545651247how does a saiyan even get scars like that, most people in this setting punch or throw ki blasts
>>545651676those aren't from fighting
>>545651676Ki blasts, obviously.
>>545652107I guess sharp ki is a thing with swords and discs and whatever the fuck goku black was doing with divine lasso
>>545651676Because the look cool, okay?Yuliban btw
>>545652253yuliban?
>>545652368>Doesn't know about CHADlibanYou're in for something big.>>545652210In the Bardock special the one guy gets cut from ki. It is sharp sometimes like a destructo disk. Ki can be whatever you want it to be which makes it a better power system than any other shonen's.
why didn't frieza use his own kaioken to kill super saiyan goku, is he stupid?
>>545652524they just seem to be another saiyan oc subspecies like bahnloopi's sentou saiyans. Which is fine, but I like actual fanfics as opposed to just vaugely suggesting at a setting
>>545652814>sentou saiyansThose are the hotspring monkey saiyans, right? I like those
>>545652935yeah they're fine, free oozaru control and free super saiyan 3 level power is less fine but it's just an OC species so eh who cares
>>545652814Yuliban isn't a specific fanfic, he's a guy who makes shit. What you probably saw are his "Yabans". >>545653004>>545652935Does Bahnloopi's shit have lore? I thought it was just cool art. I don't use twatter
>>545653224>Does Bahnloopi's shit have lore?From what I saw, it's just Goku and co stumbling on a cousin species to the saiyans and chilling with them.
>>545653313essentially, yeah. I think the only truly goofy thing I saw on the twitter lore was them evolving like that only after planet vegeta blew up. Might be wrong though it's been a while and I don't have a twitter account to go check
>>545653313Where does "free oozaru control and free super saiyan 3 level power" come from?
>>545653586I think it was just an offhand remark on one of the twitter threads, though I was wrong about the oozaru thing that's just hot springs in general doing that to them. The ss3 thing is just an offhand side comment because this is superku and vegeta so that's basically nothing by this point
>can't even escape the societal burden of having to carry blacks inside of vidya games
oh god that's way more lore than I remember
>having to browse twitta for loreWhy do niggas do this. Why do fanfic creators make it difficult to find the relevant information to get caught up
found the ss3 comment, yeah it's just a who gives a shit side thing, "the saiyans that didn't get blown up by frieza adapting and evolving" is a pretty goofy premise given that was only 50 years ago but why cares hot spring monkeys hot
>>545654320>American Sign LanguageKEKAROO
>>545648797The earthlings universe has a Bulma and a Trunks (Who looks identical to the usual Trunks despite Yamcha being his father), they are in the tournament but didn't show up.>>545649416NTA, but pic related is from the doujin itself.>>545649729>EVEN GOKU HAD TROUBLE LIFTING IT IN THE GODDAMN MANGA YOU FROGSalagir follows the idea that Kaioshins are uber strong. The buff one in particular may be SS2 level.
>>545654570oh hey I was right about the z sword, nice to know I wasn't posting misinformation. Thanks for finding that, anon. cool videl confirmed to be weaker than kibito and shin I guess
>>545653751RIP
>Monster girl encyclopedia but it's going around the universe documenting the space monkey subspecies girls
>>545656659That's what Toriyama would have wanted
>we get triple boss KO>I'm the only one who shows up at the enemy GoD, the rest just ran around like headless chickenI get everyone showing up is risky since it gives the chance of a team wipe-out, but come the fuck on. We still won despite wasting that triple KO, doesn't change the fact it was annoying.
>>545646541Daburabros... forgotten
>>545654570This is all the more fucking retarded, god I hate this stupid frog so much
>>545657206another fun tidbit I remembered while perusing the comments trying to find the videl thing was that a saiyan's base can never surpass frieza no matter what, which was cooroborated in a later fight where a post EoZ goku has to go super saiyan to fight a not that much stronger than namek frieza. You'd think uub would straight up pulverize goku during EoZ if this was the case
>>545657507the funny thing is, RoF and Super outright show that base Goku was even with final form Frieza, post-training, and even GT showed base Goku as able to clown on Frieza, so the fanfic idea can't rely on anything other than rejecting everything after Z for it to make sense.
>>545657875even base gohan oneshot frieza coming back from hell during the janemba movie, no? unless the cope is "no that was totally ultimate gohan""
>>545657875Even for Z it make no sense as an idea. Even Nahare could one punch Freeza and he was fodder to base Vegeta and Goku.
>>545658148wait, so vegito can leave the time bubble, which means it's not a namekian only thing? So why are only the piccolos doing this?
>>545658542None of this shit makes any sense
>>545658148>HEROWISEten PUNCHES his dimwitted fatherBASED. Why is Salad Gear giving him more panel time and things to do than all of Super, Daima, and GT combined?
>>545658195>Nahare could one punch Freeza and he was fodder to base Vegeta and GokuPost this being the case
>Gohan in SH is 2 years older than Future Gohan I never realized how fucked over this guy was until now.
>>545659671Here
>>545660028Post the latter being true now.>>he was fodder to base Vegeta and Goku
>>545660154He was worried about Pui Pui, who Vegeta fodderized in base.
XV2 question: Does leveling up improves stats that are already at 200 points?
>>545659682the stronger present gohan gets the funnier it is how weak future gohan is. Remember that he's not only weaker than a weaker 17 holding back half his power, he himself claims he's weaker than even Goku, who would have been around his yardrat level at the time. future gohan is comically weak
>>545660028Technically, he isn't including himself on that list, right? He's a jobber by Supreme Kai standards, the others were the strong ones.
>>545660154>he was fodder to base Vegeta and GokuNo he fucking wasn't, he didn't know how strong Goku and Vegeta were and was worried for them because if they got hurt Boo would be revived, at no point it's ever implied that Shin is weaker than base Goku or base Vegeta in that arc you zero reading comprehension retard
>>545660358Alright so you can't post Shin being threatened by Goku and Bejita. You can only post inferences.
>NahareKEK
>>545660870>Inference>From Nahare shitting his pants on screen
Good to see Japan having good taste for once
>He got banned from /a/ again
Oh good, the schizo came back.
>>545661640You finally recovered from everyone laughing at the last time you showed one of your tweet?
>>545661640BASED!!!I ONLY WISH TORIYAMA COULD'VE LIVED TO SEE THAT NOBODY LIKES THAT SHIT HE DREW. LOL
>>545661902Who shoots first tho?
>He already started replying to himself
Trunks-chan...
>>545661640Wow! Who could have predicted it?
>>545662164Glorio, since he's actually canon and from a good story.
what schizo?
>>545662330Nice armpits.>>545662465The retard seething about Daima completely unprompted after his bait about base saiyans being weaker than Freeza failed.
>>545658148>Us, it was Son Goten and PanKek. Vegetto's universe's Goten is as disposable as ever, and their Pan was killed while still hating Bra. I wonder if they died fucking like Main Bra and Trunks>>545659608Goten in Multiverse is comparable to Goten is the prequel issue of DBM. Dragged along, has his moments, but irrelevant.
>>545662357Both of them shoot at same time I see, thanks for the info, schizo.
>>545662740>Goten in Multiverse is comparable to Goten is the prequel issue of DBM.is comparable to Goten in the prequel issue of Super Hero*
>>545662529Are they though?
Right now we have two schizos. One that will randomly talk about Daima and the other one that counters him, thinks everyone is the same guy, and replies to himself.
Goten and Trunks have little to no fans.
>>545662330>>545663003No...
>>545663283No what?
>>545663356Stop, Trunks isn't for this! This is a Gohan thing!
>>545663272I'm one of them. Fight me.
>>545663559so how was your daily meal of plain white bread and water, anon
>>545663537Prove it.
>>545644826Kai condensed the original Saiyan-Android saga run of 190+ episodes to 60+. So OGDB can be done in 40-50 episodes with good pacing
>>545663686 I drank a protein shake and coffee.
>>545662357Based
>>545663747>getting sexually bullied by the androidsZamn...
Granolah was way more interesting than the literal non character named gloryholio
>>545663747NO!!!!
since it's a pretty common sticking point, what would you guys do with son bra's character instead of what multiverse did with her. Assuming you have to do some kind of character arc
>>545663003Yes, they are.>>545663356I only now realized this was fem!Trunks since she has boobs in that one, I thought it was trap!Trunks.>>545663272Future Trunks has a bunch tho.
>>545664481Have her get beaten and humbled instead of talk no jutsu-d.
>>545644826DB has short chapters. I think you could easily hit 4 chaps/ep on average. So 50 episodes to cover everything pre-Raditz.
>>545664481Just make her someone overly gifted who need to learn and value other people's effort even if they don't measure up to her natural raw power.Kinda like Vegeta if he had just been spoiled and arrogant instead of straight up overly and murderous.Basically a martial art version of a Ojou-Sama.
>>545664938This. Include a spanking scene while you're at it.
>>545664101Imagine it...>>545664463Why not?>>545664738Does that make this better or worse for you?
>>545665136ZAMN
>>545660558Yes. Someone with 200 points put in HP and one of their attack stats at Level 160 will have less HP and do less damage than someone that also has 200 in both, but is Level 180
>>545664481Easiest solution is to keep her personality the same, but have everyone treat her like she's Cell saga Vegeta.
>>545665136>Does that make this better or worse for you?More or less the same, I don't discriminate if it's cute enough.
>>545661640Stop posting your own tweets bro
>>545663686That's the type of meal a plain gokufag would eat.
>>545666578Goku eats meat like a real man.
>>545667164That's Goku. Gokufags are all poor Mexicans who can't afford meat.
>>545661640>TraducirBrown.
>>545667642Goku is for the white man, you must be confused, Esteban.
>>545667832True. Piccolo is for blacks and Gohan is for Latinos. Vegeta maybe for Arabs
>>545667832You fucking wish. Lie again.
>>545668045Vegeta is specifically for Algerians somehow.
Average Gokubro
This classic
>>545668747Retard.
>>545669065India is for broly
>>545667642>>545667832Gokufags belong to all races.
Goku = Hope for all of MexicoVegeta = pride of all BoomersPiccolo = solemn unc tacticianGohan = little kids' motivationand for obvious reasons Kefla = your daughter/niece's favorite saiyan
>>545670161>The main character is the most searchedCrazy ass shit nigga
>>545670161We all love GokuOur hero
>weWho's we. I don't like him. He's crazily overrated
>>545670275>he thinks there aren't cases of the oppositeSmall world you must live in.>>545670283TRVKE
>>545670234So my niece will end up gay. Always suspected.
You're tsundere for Goku. We know who you are.
Actually my sister likes Bulma and Chichi more than Caulifla. She doesn't like Kefla.
My sister loves Nu Broly.
My sister said Goten is the most handsome male. A few other girls online have repeated this.
>>545498737>The "game" announcement will be more gachaslop and you will be happy.I actually don't mind gachaslop if it's done right.The problem with Dokkan is that it's candy crush shit.The problem with Legends is that it has the highest potential of any dragon ball game (it could literally be a mobile Heroes if they wanted it to) but its 99% pvp centered and the chances of any amount of effort being put into everything else in the game may as well be a gacha with the rates being as absurd as the ultras.If we had an ARPG style gacha game like the new Bleach one coming out, that was as good looking as Gekishin and was willing to adapt the entire series like Strongest Warrior attempted to do, in time the game would be both kakarot and Sparking Zero but done better.
>>545671268Trannies aren't girls.
My sister unironically wants to fuck Trunks, Cell and Gogeta
>CellMANY SUCH CASES
This going to sound autistic as fuck. Does anyone think that nobody can "cover" Solid State Scouter right at all or is it just me? Nothing sounds just as raw as the original. Maybe Sparking Meteors rendition but it feels more like the next episode's "callback" to Bardock's OVA. Why do people going for the mystical orchestral version or a heavy guitar rock version. It's so wrong for the song.
>>545672073the collosal amount of reader insert fiction dragonball has is truly staggering, you look at fanfic sites and see "oh gee dragonball sure has a lot of fanfiction I wonder what that's all about" and it's like 60% vegeta fucking bulma (with bulma being a reader insert of course) or an actual reader insert
>>545670468Based and true.>>545670618>>545670862Fuck your sister already.
>>545671587>Trannies out of nowhereYou think about them a lot don't you, gokubro?
>>545672394I love my sister but I think another man deserves to be happy with her. She'll make a good wife.
>>545672303Bejita, Goten, Trunks, and Gohan are the ones I see the most often for females self inserting and being horny for. The bottom 3 are slightly interchangeable.
I forgot to mention bardock. He's up there too.
>>545661640I think both SS4s sucks, delete this form
>>545672782Cuck mentality.
>>545654187Aside from a personal website, what other choices are there? Tumblr?
>>545672960Yeah, girls love Future Trunks form my experience.
>>545672782Based.
oh forgot its faggot hours sorry god fucking kill this site already
being into fics that start in ogdb is so cursed, half the fun is seeing all of the changes coalesce into big changes in Z but most fics die in ogdb so i'm left with a slightly wacky retelling of the normal ass manga. That being said, what are some fun divergences you've seen? I quite like things like no piccolo, no vegeta seems obvious but it makes later sagas too easy
>>545676950>half the fun is seeing all of the changes coalesce into big changes in Z but most fics die in ogdbI think that's kinda why. Taking all those changes into account and having it pay off is complicated
>>545677184I don't think it's even that, it's more like ogdb is tournament hell and writing just one tournament is hard on the best of writers much less the FOUR in ogdb. a lot of other shounen fics die in and around the tournament portion like the chunnin exams for a reason
I like the idea that Trunks is into swords because Yajirobe was the only one outside of Gohan we could help him train
if you can make it past the 23rd, you're pretty much garunteed to make it through to cell, though. Cell is the second great filter due to the massive seven year gap, the emotional high of cell saga, and just how hard it is to make buu saga actually work. I've never seen a fic make it to super, not one
Goku's gonna be at the Macy's Parade again this year
I wouldn't make a fic about the original manga because it's perfect as is. I'd only make fanfics about Super era shit.
>>545679862I don't think people make fics of the originals series because they want to make it better, it's just fun to twist around stories you love. On that note, i've started to hate fics that start at pilaf saga but do nothing with the wish, what was the point of giving me a play by play of just normal pilaf saga if you do nothing with the only major point of divergence?
Just found out her name is "Ribs" lmao.
>>545681072What do you mean?
>>545681546Pork ribs
>>545681546Her name "Brianne de Chateau" and Ribrianne come from "Ribs" and Chateaubriand steak
>>545682013Damn, I had no idea
>>545670618Makes sense. Women tend to like more practical, down to earth female characters, not rough and tumble tomboys
I think the fanfic thing that irks me the most is any notion of stacking Ultimate and Super Saiyan
>>545683824I don't think i've ever seen that in a fanfic before. I've only ever seen it in the sense of trying to justify why gohan uses super saiyan in gt
LOOOOOOOOOL FAGON SPICS BTFO!
>>545683980I've seen people say Beast is stacking Ultimate and Super Saiyan (2) many times.
>>545684143then what do you suggest beast to be? just ultimate but more ultimate-er? Ultimate 2?
>>545683194That's not really true. Lots of women love Caulifla and Kale, and especially Kefla.
>>545684268Ultimate is what happens when Gohan gets a rage boost while in Ultimate. Gohan has always had "emotion power" and now that is that being given a form.Ultimate is drawing out all of Gohan's Super Saiyan power into a better less stamina intensive form.
>>545684058>Gundam introduces female protagonists>More popular than One Piece and Dragon Ball back to backHmm. Noticing...
>>545684587super saiyan hasn't been stamina intensive at all since they mastered it in cell saga, though. (sans 3 but gohan never got that) Shit, super saiyan itself was never implied to be draining at all until goku said it was and then they trained it away and it was never brought up again
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>>545684680You weren't supposed to notice that!!!!!
It has been noticed.
It doesn't mean anything. You're delusional.
>>545684435Dykes and trannies love Caulifla and Kale*. Trad women don't like those two.>O-o-out of nowhere!Picrelhttps://archive.ph/jtWtbActual Caulifla and Kale fag that calls himself a "woman".
waku waku anon
So it's the schizo that got banned from /a/ throwing anything at the wall to see what sticks.And he's obsessed with trannies, as is typical of /a/utists.
Perma banned from /a/ fag projecting again.
Sex with 21 sticks
>>545685705Based
>>545684732All that matters is Ultimate is stronger than SS3 but doesn't require energy wasting so it's like a better SS3.
>>545665365Haha...>>545665925Good on you anon for being comfortable with what you like.
>>545684680the fans want—nay, DEMAND a Pan + Bulla spinoff series
...to become the #1 biggest flopped piece of media in the history of Japan.
>>545681072My beloved tank queen with 5+ bars of health, damage reduction and stamina regen poses, and a health restoration burst. Thank you for drawing her.
But your numbers say that they sell better.
Stop noticing that...
>>545686083But enough about Lazarus.
>>545661640Just made my day, thanks for posting this. In the end, it all returns to GT kino.
>he went back to reply to himselflmao
Uubdians...
If you were a real fan of Goku you'd like Uub because he's the person Goku has wanted to meet more than anyone else.
>>545689912why was he so desperate to 1v1 kid buu's ass, he wasn't like that with cell
>>545654320>>545653863How to have a somewhat neat core concept and then ruin it in the detailsJust go>they're hot spring monkeys, because they live under a shitload of full moons constantly they need the relaxing properties of their hot springs and companionship to not have hundreds of constantly rampaging oozarusDon't fucking add shit like "they speak in sign language and self-hypnotize when under stress"
>>545692853while probably true when talking about an actual piece of literature, I think this is basically just a for fun creative exorcise and coming up with wacky fun facts for an OC species is just good fun. I do agree that it's kind of bloated and goofy, but that's true of basically every saiyan OC/ OC species i've seen, it's all in good fun
On that note, i'm kind of of two minds on the idea of saiyan subspecies. On one hand I like space monkeys, more space monkeys cool and people make cool ideas with them. But on the other hand adding more saiyan subspecies around increasingly centralizes the setting around saiyans even more than it already is and fucks with established lore of their extermination. I dunno.
>>545693049There are easier wacky fun facts than the almost pandering absurdity.>their strong sense of calm means that, were any of them to train hard enough to unlock super saiyan, they master is far easier>the restorative properties of their springs are used as the basis of healing pods. the water only retains its healing potential for so long when separated from its mother spring so it must be restocked regularly>while less bellicose than other saiyans they're no less powerful, the practice of actual martial training combined with the strange properties of their homeworld keep them on par with high class warriors should their wrath be incurredNever ever that an entire species is "resting ss3 power".
>>545693916them being as strong as a super saiyan 3 isn't that out there given that the u6 saiyans somehow have somewhat comparable base forms to goku and vegeta, if anything it's rather tame by this point
>>545694675Its dumb there too! I'm fine with them accelerating up to speed quickly because half of DB is goku seeing the new peak and everyone else following behind him in record time but you shouldn't just start out stronger than frieza
>>545688824There's something familiar about this image. An Archie reference?
>>545694881I don't think there's any way to win, you had people immediately throwing a shit fit over the u6 saiyans getting super saiyan so easily. Shit's been fucked ever since doctor gero made a couple of humans stronger than frieza in a cave with a box of scraps
>>545695078I won't deny it, i'm just saying its silly to say a species is just casually so strong. Even if you justify it by going>their entire universe is just strongerit actively takes away from the struggles of the manga by implying that we're following the weakest universe, that bulma could've just invented some universe hopper device and recruited and entire squad of people who'd shit down buu's throat without an iota of training.Our fuarking heroes have shed blood, sweat, and tears to get where they are and the only way others should be close to par is if they also pushed themselves hard or did extremely evil/stupid shit to cheat their way to power. Implying they did training or adventures of their own off-screen to catch up is fine but minimalizing the accomplishments of Goku and crew will always leave a sour taste.
>>545696452That's a thing that started as far back as saiyan saga. Goku went through the entire OG, training a lot while casually dealing with threats, lost to King Piccolo and needed to risk his life with Sacred Water so he'd match up to him, then trained for three more years to defeat Piccolo... And then it turns out Goku is a weakling from an uber strong race, and his brother who never trained is casually far stronger than him and could easily kill him despite being a terrible fighter, and then it turns out he's the weakest of the trio. Then Namek made it all more ridiculous with Namekians (Peaceful race, warrior types are stronger than Raditz), Ginyu Force (All mutants) and Freeza (Such poor control over his power he came up with detransformations to keep it under control). Toriyama has been doing that for a long time.
even in buu saga you had shin himself who casually shows up and remarks he could've oneshot frieza if he wanted to
>>545696452I think this is the inherent issue of having other Saiyans. We are INTIMATELY aware of our Saiyans. Having other alien races be strong is fine. But Saiyans crosses the line because we are the most aware about what they can and can't do. Suddenly if some random Saiyan gets SS100 you'd wonder why our guys had to struggle at all if that option was always available.Villains are villains because they don't train. Training is inherently virtuous. Being strong without training is for those that aren't right. >B-b-but cabba is a soldier and and-Then have him act like it. He acts and looks like a little bitch, not a competent soldier with years of experience.
>>545697768Broly, Gohan, and zamasu get stuff exclusive to them that helped them catch up without really training, I don't think saiyans are all that sacred. Even someone like turles just gets given the tree of might fruit
>>545698165>I don't think saiyans are all that sacred.I really think it's just saiyanfags getting uppity that their race isn't all that special in the grand scheme of things.
>>545699395I like how whatever frieza's going on instantly invalidates everything saiyans have. How do you even balance that out if you keep him around after black frieza, he's just default better than anyone else who trains it's goofy
>>545699761>black friezaAt least it took him literal decades of training to achieve
>>545701004specifically only one decade, iirc. which is around equivalent to the total time goku spent training offscreen throughout ogdb. He also surpassed blue in about a month's worth of training
I fucking hate how Gotenks' STUPID FUCKING FAGGOT GHOSTS continue to follow Hit even after he's gone invisible.
A polycule of prison wives pieced together into a single person
so why was moro being kept in galactic prison anyways instead of just being executed or something,
>>545684680what we really need to learn from this is that they should make an AU of dragon ball that goku is completely absent in and vegeta is running around with his hair down called like 'fruita' or some shit, clearly there's a market for it
>>545684058Dragon Ball>latest anime had just ended>no new materials released in that frame of time aside from a singular BD set for said anime and some figuresGundam>absurd hype cycle for the newest anime that aired in its entirety in that time period>most of its content would effect existing merch and move those units>new merch would move because of this as well>this new anime was also explicitly made to renew interest in the oldest worksOne Piece>ongoing production Simple as
>>545645593This was actually from Venixys. He's like DBSHype, but he speaks Japanese and is less scummy.
>>545702618Gotenks is made to be annoying. His skill where he unleashes a combo tracks no matter what, and the only way to avoid it is with a vanish. I swear I once saw an ally SS3 Goku teleport to a tower, and Gotenks briefly showed up to do the last hit before disappearing.
>>545645593>offer fans a look at both the "past" and the "future" of Dragon BallIt's gonna be a reboot isn't it?
>>545706129>Nappa is the best character in the show>He's given command and respect and proves he can still kick ass>He tries to kill Vegeta the moment they meet up again>All of this was a ploy by an alternate Bulma that didn't want Vegeta and Goku to kill each other
>>545644826Ignore Kai, retards forget Kai had filler and was just an edit of DBZ at the end of the day.Lets compare to another Toei remake- Dragon Quest. It adapted at a rate of roughly 1 volume to every 2.5-3 episodes, changing depending on how much of the volume was just fighting. Another issue is the more general pacing things, like I imagine some chapters would be extended to maintain a certain rhythm. Thinking on it that way, I imagine a DB remake could look like this>First Hunt For The Dragon Balls6 episodes.Episode 1 = Chapter 1 (obviously).Episode 2 = Chapters 2-4 (Meeting Roshi)Episode 3 = 5-10 (Oolong and Yamucha)Episode 4 = 11-14 (Chichi and Gyumao)Episode 5 = 15-18 (Boss Rabbit & Introduction of Pilaf)Episode 6 = 19-23 (The Conclusion)Now that we understand the method,>21st Tenkaichi BudokaiEpisode 7 = 24-31 (Training & Lunch)Episode 8 =32-35 (Preliminaries)Episode 9 = 36-40 (The Quarter Finals, yes they are that fast)Episode 10 = 41-45 (The Semi Finals)Episode 11/12 = 46-54 (Goku vs Jackie Chun)That all fits fairly neatly and I can see Toei doing that simply because having an arc break at the same time as a cour wraps up would be convenient in multiple ways.For the rest>Red Ribbon ArmyEpisode 13 = Colonel Silver/Intro to WhiteEpisodes 14-16 = General WhiteEpisodes 17-21 = General Blue (entire episode just for Slump with a redone OP is my own prediction if a remake happens)Episodes 22-26 = Tao Pai Pai & The End of the RRA>Fortuneteller BabaEpisodes 27-30, it's a fairly brief arc mostly comprised of fighting.>22nd Tenkaichi BudokaiEpisode 31 - C.113-116 (Preliminaries, Introductions)Episode 32 - C.117-119 (Yamucha fight is a big one, so it'd get most of an episode probably)Episode 33 - C.120-122 (Remaining Quarter Finals)Episode 34 - C.123-127 (Semi Finals)Episode 35/36 - C.128-134 (Goku vs Tenshinhan)That marks the end of another cour pretty neatly. With Piccolo, this could end around Episode 64 in my view.
>>545709789As a further aside, I do believe this will adapt ALL of Dragon Ball, into Z, as one complete work if it does happen. Would probably enter the ballpark of 130~ episodes if that ends up being the case.
>>545697768I don't even think its that hard to sell>frieza was right to be cautious of the saiyans developing power and the saiyans were on an upward power trend if allowed to keep developing>other universes that never had their civil wars or the exodus from sadala to a new home world are less combative but lacked the lost generations so they still are strongYou just have to be conservative with the end result not beating out people who've had years and years of training and practical application in life or death scenarios. I don't think large group/tribe of people should just be equal to post time chamber fighters or else you bring up a shitload of questions as to why these people don't shitstomp anybody they want.All the powerhouses and potentialmans all have extenuating circumstances to explain how they managed it and how they don't break the setting (but are annoying in other ways) but even just a single tribe of potential mans opens up many concerns. There's a reason why we only saw frieza and cold.
>New Jijii AF chapter>Vegeta fights the villain>Can't win>Goku somehow is an adult>Still can't win>Fusion>Grip gets turned on again>CliffhangerWhat a nothing burger...
>>545719887...is that chi-chi?wtf is going on in this manga
>>545720054pretty sure its some oc saiyan female that gets visibly horny in a fight
>>545720054She's some female ancient saiyan, personality-wise she's like 21 who looks like Pan. Gets so visibly turned on while fighting that at one point Gohan things she's seducing him while fighting
>>545720813>that at one point Gohan things she's seducing him while fightingThat is a funny joke though>oh thank god she just hit me
>>545721028>oh thank god she just hit meThat's exactly how he reacts. Funniest moment in the the whole doujin kek.
>>545719887>more Gripi orgasmsfine by ne
>>545722154There were only four panels of that. Not even heart eyes.
>>545720813>>545721242>of the two biggest JP AF doujin artists, Shueisha picked the tracer rather than the coomerabsolutely ROBBED. imagine if Jiji had been in charge of the U6 Saiyans, Gripi is basically what his Caulifla would've been
>>545684058This truly is the beginning of the Dragon Ball dark age...>>545684680it's almost like men... like women... and want waifus... in their shows...
>>545722628>Implying Jijii isn't a tracer
>>545684680also>Kamen Rider adds oppai fanservice characters
>>545722767Women also want hot women in their shows. Any random manga I've found where the female lead has comically large boobs had a very high chance of being written by a woman.
>>545723040at least when he does it, it's obviously tongue-in-cheek. You can't trace such an iconic scene and not have it be a deliberate homage, unlike Toyotaro who traces random panels from inconsequential chapters specifically because he hopes nobody will notice.
>>545723203that's usually still shonen, though. shojo tends to make the protag a 'plain everygirl'.
>>545723256That doesn't make it better. Jijii often traces himself too, with nearly identical poses happening frequently, and his battle flow is horrible. Toyotaro at least has some idea how it works, even if he's bad at it too.
Need I remind you all, Pretty Cure basically started off as Dragon Ball for Girls and ended up one of the longest-running Magical Girl series of all time.People can and will buy into such a thing if you just don't shit the bed. Cute monkey girls going around punching things can, and will, sell.
my brother wants to watch a condensed version of DBZ and i don't know how to tell him that no such thing exists. you just have to hunker down and watch like 2 or 3 episodes a day for 6 months. lolAbridged and Kai were both brought up, but one is a parody that requires foreknowledge to really enjoy, and Kai lacks several of the original voice actors, doesn't feature the American music, and it was remastered by someone who thinks film grain needs to be smoothed out by AI until DBZ looks as flat and plastic as DBS does. so i don't feel comfortable recommending either one over the original 90's tapes.
>>545724417PreCure's primary demographic is 6 year old girls. the earlier series did make a conscious effort to court "big friends" as well but their bread and butter is little kids. the newer seasons are less battle-heavy than the originals, too.
>>545724790AI film editing didn't even exist when Kai was made. the issue with Kai is the godawful cropping they did, the poor audio master for the JP voice track, the shitty recolouring they did in some scenes, and the fact the Buu saga had a fraction of the budget the rest of Kai did.
>>545724790>American musicSuicide. Now.
>>545726418sorry but I have no interest in listening to a German alcoholic zoomer rap over an electro-house backbeat
>>545726418i mean, we are American, and live in America. it was kinda made with us in mind specifically.>>545725428well yeah, it wasn't actually edited with AI, i was using it more as a turn-of-phrase than in a literal sense. Disney do the same thing upscaling a lot of their older movies. they smooth the film grain away so much that it starts eating into the intentional line work as well. see the way details have been scrubbed off her dress?
>>545709789>Episode 7 = 24-31 (Training & Lunch)Come on, it's insane, it needs two episodes, it's mot even fighting heavy.
>>545684058>gundam can beat DB in half a year DB releases basically nothingwow
>>545727017are you talking about him giving it just one episode or toei giving it fucking seven?
>>545728079Him giving it one. Toei's pacing was obviously something else too. But there is middle ground here. For DB it'd be 4 chapters average.
>>545671478>Mobile >Gacha slop>Done rightIf it was done right it would be neither of these things.
>>545671478>it could literally be a mobile HeroesIt's battle system is far too limited for that.
>>545727015this could be better and i'd really like to make comparisons based on the Seed of Might releases instead, but it communicates the idea.
>>545719887>Grippi looking scaredFunny. Is that really all that happens? I havent read it yet. If so, GRIM. It's been literal months since the last chapter >>545722628HAHAHAHHA. Jiji is a way worse tracer than Toyo will ever be. You cannot go 2 pages without seeing a trace.You don't know how much worse it could've been. Toyotaro is mediocre, not bad.>>545724790>American musicIt's only good if you're nostalgic for it. Otherwise maybe 5 tracks are good and the cons out way the good. Kai has way better voice acting regardless of the grandms freeze is there or not.>>545727015Words have meanings. It wasn't "AI"
Gekishin would be so much better if the bots were programmed to listen to the promtps. They really are only a tool for forced loses. Broke my "ragequit on Bojack" rule once, and obviously it turned out to be a bot again...
>>545738779Based
>>545742379Based.Also why are they making her talk like that? What kind of social media manager wrote this shit?
>>545743051>Also why are they making her talk like that? What kind of social media manager wrote this shit?The entire EN script is written like that.
why is it that the nameless namekian's evil half was weaker than his good half, but buu's evil half was stronger than his good half
>>545744310Kami was more enlightened and aware of how he needed to train to be a proper guardian of earth. Meanwhile Buu was just a 2 million year old manchild. it's funny that Kami was still making stupid decisions left and right despite all of this.
>>545744562pretty much none of the gods are all that smart up to whis. Except the GOAT king kai, he holds the brains of the entirety u7 divine hierarchy for some reason
>>545742379the bunny suit looks good, lets see how it looks on the floor
>>545744648>Except the GOAT king kai, he holds the brains of the entirety u7 divine hierarchy for some reasonHe's the middle manager forced to deal with his incompetent underlings AND his incompetent superiors.
>>545744857That was smooth.
>>545742149When you overuse words they lose meaning
>>545743051Talk like what? That's a normal way to speak for a young woman.
>>545744864I love him absolutely mogging Kaioshins during the Kid Buu fight.>Kaioshin-sama, can you make me talk to the whole Earth population?>Wh-what? No one can do something like th->BWAHAHAHA! Just Earth? I can connect you to the whole Universe!>... Kaio-sama stated calmly while casually revealing himself to have spied on his superiors the whole day
uub is the strongest of the strong
>>545745181based
>>545745181Cringe
>>545727017>>545728079It could maybe be two episodes, but I could see Toei streamlining it all into one episode. When they have all the materials, they tend to actually cut more than one would expect.Beyond that though, I still think a remake being around the 64 episode mark for the six main 'DB' arcs is what will happen. Most DB arcs and fights are fairly short when taken as a whole.Even then, that's still only 17 Volumes so it could very well be shorter. I just wanted to account for pacing. Even accounting for the Dai style pacing I mentioned, it's closer to 45-50 episodes.
>>545745785>>545745758https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QHsnNs_qBDQYou niggers
>>545745938This word in particular has lost it's meaning and sting
>>545745847Didn't watch Dai, but it was probably primarily a logustic matter. They were given two years and one way or the other they had to make it work. But if DB gets a remake, it might not be so. Daima had a very unorthodox episode count, presumably because the late night timeslot is cheap, TV is secondary at this point.
>>545745938Cringe
>>545746773Dai's still a good baseline otherwise, since it does have a consistent adaptation rate and a DB remake would be beholden to filling a time slot for a set amount of time.Daima's situation is also a bit different since that was initially a web anime and had to get a brand new time slot when they changed that. A remake of the first six arcs specifically written to cover a two year broadcast schedule could be interesting though. I'm just considering the raw numbers of how Toei typically adapts a complete work which would make it come out to just around four cour for that, but it'd be interesting if Toei wrote more anime original DB arcs.Don't know how they could expand DB much more than they already did though, they filled in pretty much every blank spot the first time>Showed how Pilaf got his DB>Gave the first arc main antagonists>Showed how both RRA DBs were found>Gave Goku a training arc for both time skips>Filled out the tournament interactions more>Expanded the second water to an actual adventure>Showed Goku and Chichi's marriageIt's all fairly 'complete' in what they could cover.
I kind of hope it isn't a dragonball remake because that means the franchise is essentially just going to be stagnant again for another couple of years, you guys are right that it's the most likely thing, though
>>545745938Based
>545749160Gokubro...
>accidentally watched a kishinpain video on YouTube>wanna fuck that Janembulma
>>545749125The franchise will be stagnant anyway. Half of the nu-DB was some kind of a repeat, and it was while Toriyama was still alive. With him gone, it would be even worse. The predictions like "Cooler in Super" or "Janemba in Daima" are perfectly realistic. So if we're going to be inbred anyway, better to make a quality adaptation of the OG rather than these Frankenstein monsters.
>>545724790update: he's actually starting with original Dragon Ball, so i'm very curious how this'll go. cause that was all him, i would've recommended starting with DBZ or watching both at the same time. lol
>>545757259I'd rather prefer nitpicking dumb stuff like cooler or janemba rather than just seeing pilaf saga with slightly different animation, even as bad as granolah was we can have meaningful discussions about how bad it is other than just nothing
I honestly think people give kai too much shit, it's not perfect for reasons already discussed, but it's absolutely a perfectly serviceable way to watch the series for a normie
Check out this cool model plane in Kame House
I'm going to post gay porn
>>545761035Based and Gokupilled, anon.
>>545761035Post some cuts on male too. You're gay if you wouldn't suck on one, anon.
>>545760612If he's bored earlly on, tell him to skip to Tao Pai Pai.
>>545760612Starting from the beginning is a good thing, it'll enhance his DBZ experience when he'll get there.
this will be pokemon in 2025
>>545760910>normieGo back.
>>545760612Where is this pic from? It looks cool.I need DB Fusions 2The first few episodes are rough but as soon as he makes it to the 21st or 22nd Tenkaichi Budokais he'll love it. It's the same story with everyone.
When you really think about it, Future Trunks and the Xenoverse Future Warriors are the only characters to actually be confirmed as the world's protectors after Goku. We don't truly know what fate has in store for Uub, Pan and the rest of the Z Warriors.
>>545761723i'll keep that in mind, thanks!>>545762331hell yeah i'm hope that'll be the case.>>545764186i think it's just an edit i pulled off deviantart at some point based on DB Fusions art. i would also love a Fusions 2.
>>545768458We do know that no matter which continuity you follow, the Earth is still around hundreds of years after Goku dies/leaves. SOMEONE protects the Earth.Goku left at the 28th Tenkaichi having full trust in his his son Goten and Trunks. Uub was trained explicitly to be the next "Goku".
>>545770034and here's one with the color palette from the first concept image.
>>545770034>deviantartFound the accountKINOOO
>>545729745I meant story and character wise.
The future of Dragon Ball...
>>545770625false, dragonball is never going to do anything with the u6 saiyans or any of the other million loose ends introduced
>>545770625anons will tell me this is a bad thing and they should look the exact same
>>545774334I think cabba's is a bit big for his hair style, but I like caulifla's a lot
>>545771460It's hilarious how everyone stopped caring about the whole multiverse thing the moment ToP ended. Which is almost 8 years ago.
>>545774538I mean, due to the way dragonball works, they kind of deleted most of the plots you can do with the multiverse gimmick, the ToP already showed off all the strongest fighters in every universe and so there's no reason to go visit them, except for the unseen universes that didn't participate but I don't think anyone remembers those exist
>>545770625The unique designs for SS3 look way better than the find and replace that was the old ones.
>>545770625Speaking of caulifla's hair, why don't we have base caulifla's wig in xv2
>>545775345I always felt like super saiyan 2 was the real problem child. A lot of the time you can barely tell a character is in it unless they have the lightning aura
>>545774828It's really not so hard. U7 turned out to have Broly hidden somewhere who's stronger than everybody else. Just have some hidden empire come out in U6 or U11 and they come crying to U7 for help.
>>545775575I would enjoy seeing more of the pride troopers, they were really fun. If they're really sticking with that ultra ego vegeta stuff maybe they can have toppo pitch in with something, idk.
>>545776092The backs make me think of the porn drawn by that one French or Mexican guy.Real ones know.
>>545770625Toriyama didn't die soon enough.
>stupid nigger ape picks daimaku>never blows up the bomb with gorila
>>545770625Kale needs work, Caulifla and Kefla are pretty cute. They need to lose the eyebrows, though
>>545776092I need to get amazon pressed by her
>SUPER SAIYAN 3 SHOULDN"T ALWAYS LOOK THE SAME!!!!>SUPER SAIYAN DOESN'T LOOK THE SAME ON EVERYONE!!!Super Saiyan always makes the hair stand up at least partially. Super Saiyan 2 always made the hair stand up fully with more detail. Super Saiyan 3 always made the hair go down to your back. All of them had a general look.
>>545787064>Super Saiyan always makes the hair stand up at least partially.Gohan during the Cell games contradicts this by having his hair look borderline identical to his normal style.>Super Saiyan 2 always made the hair stand up fully with more detail.The defining feature was just the electricity. You're drawing "more detail" out from simply Goku's version of the form, while ignoring that he still had bangs coming down.>Super Saiyan 3 always made the hair go down to your back.It was a form only used with characters whose hair would already do that naturally.Vegeta's hair only ever stands up.
Someone make a new thread or I will rape Vomi
>>545789070do ityou won't
>>545779180>lose the eyebrowsThat makes them look ugly. Female Super Saiyan 3s keep some eyebrow.>>545788385>All edge casesCell Game Gohan had his hair stick up a bit more in Super Saiyan, rendering what I said true. You're actively trying to say the second defining feature of the form isn't a thing.The hair stuck up more for every user that didn't have it all the way up from the beginning (just Bejita).Gotenks' hair did the going down to the back despite sticking all the way up.>INB4 headcanon copeIt looks better if every Super Saiyan form has a general theme. Next you'd defend it if someone's normal Super Saiyan moved completely to the side instead of going up. Bejita's looked better when it went down to his back instead of going all the way up like retarded Beast. Going down to the back gave it a regal feel.
>>545789535>makes them uglyI think properly designed, they can pull it off. the cro magnon brow is what makes them ugly.
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>>545790495needs darker pupils (aka one of the actual defining SS3 traits)
>>545790495Yeah this looks good. Too bad she's a shit character.
>>545789535>Next you'd defend it if [something you like better]woah almost as if that's the whole point, all people do when arguing about this shit is entirely down to what they like better. Same with different colors and shit, for example i like god better over blue cause i like red better, or i like UI sign over MUI cause i don't like MUI being blanco. But you don't see me, or anyone sane, trying to argue my own preferences are absolute and objective, even if literally everyone agreed with me it still wouldn't be that
