>>546679549
>everyone kneels
>except the 3 helves
what did they mean by that?

Sorry. According to Aecheur you're not getting logs this time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz87GsgH3ao

>>546680073
https://www.turtlogs.com/viewer/60967/base?history_state=1

Can I play Chromiecraft with Stormforge's client?

>>546681370
So what's Bronzebeard about and how is it anyways?

>>546681482
bro what the fuck is wrong with your dps

>>546683842
shit and shit

>>546681482
>gets sulfa
>does about 60% the dps of the other ret pala
ohnonono

>>546684536
>fire does no damage
You don't say?

>>546685508
Its base hit is like 15% more than other alternatives it should do a lot better.

>>546684536
retcucks dont really do damage anyway

Eyba should've gotten Sulfuras. She'd be pushing 1k dps with it.

>>546687649
He'd be*

>>546687725
When talking about character related stuff I use the character appropriate pronouns.

>>546688209
My Helf uses Xhey/Xhem

>>546688318
Those aren't real pronouns.

>>546688525
Elves aren’t real.

Evil contributed only a miserly 80g and five ingots toward making the Sulfuras. That’s why it took 37 days to obtain, because the vast majority of the mats had to be self-farmed even though it was always intended to be a guild effort.
People can mock the guild for not helping leveling players, not helping with attunes, and not helping with pre-bis, but this is a new low.

>>546694163
thats so funny bro, we already talked about this in /o

>>546694163
What is a Sulfuras and why is it important?

Where are the people playing (on turtle)?
I'm just coming back from a year or so break
I've got a pretty geared priest on Nord, but maybe starting fresh on the new(ish) server would be fun
what does wpsg think?

>>546694658
I think that turtle is going under before the end of the year and you shouldn't bother at all. blizzards hebrew attack dogs have already buckbroken akalix, it's only a matter of time.

>>546694658
Most are on fresh. I log in on my warrior on Nord on occasions after I got my 2800 quest title.

I didn't have a desire to converse with people outside of FMC when I was playing because I didn't wanna get too sucked in to a side project. So I just stay guildless and fuck around.

>>546694658
Ambershire is pretty dead. Everyone is raidlogging once a week to clear Ony and MC. BWL won't be out until next year.

Currently Nordanaar is running the Altlympics, so if you level an alt there and hit 60 before January 1st, you'll get a cool mount (red Scarlet Crusade paladin horse for Alliance, scorpion for Horde).

Quite a few of us are running alts on Nordanaar although we haven't organized in any way. You could join Full Moon Company there but most anons haven't on their alts. You can also use this thread as a meet-up point.

>>546694982
>>546695075
>>546695275
Thanks for the info anons
I've decided to just go back to xiv
best of luck

>>546695608
Np. Era is where I'm at. I thought bout trying out XIV free version for shits and giggles.

>>546685508
Most things in MC take fire damage. Only a few are immune. But the proc doesn't really matter. You have an 80.4 DPS weapon with a 372 top. Other people are using a 61.4 DPS weapon with a 292 top or a 75.9 DPS weapon with a 310 top. Yes, you should be able to easily out DPS people who are the exact same class as you, exact same spec, while you're using a weapon that hits way, way harder.
The only reason you aren't is because they're playing better than you are. Much better in fact because they're easily overcoming the handicap of having an objectively worse weapon to do leagues more damage.
Maybe instead of making excuses, you should ask your betters for tips on how they do so much DPS.

>>546695752
all 4chan edrama aspergers aside I find XIV pretty boring. Incredibly tedious quest chains sandwiched between hundreds of hours of anime dialogue all set in a world I have no attachment to

>>546696049
If Classic+ flops (it will) I'm gonna need some shit to put my time in to. Unfortunate.

>>546696049
>Incredibly tedious quest chains
I don't disagree with you necessarily but I find classic wow far worse in this aspect. Nothing in wow really draws me in. It's just doing raid for gear, to be stronger for next raid, repeat.
XIV at least tries to have a compelling story and there are some winners in there. Probably by virtue of the sheer quantity, but I can't think of any memorable storylines in wow.

>>546694982
Turtle did it to themselves by constantly taunting Blizzard.

>>546696524
>>546694982
The fuck they gonna do? Invade russia to try and get the server taken down? They've not really been successful at it for the last 2 years.

>>546696693
ISPs can blacklist Turtle. VPN might be able to get around it but the average person is too tech illiterate to use actual good VPNs.

>>546696276
>but I can't think of any memorable storylines in wow.
unironically this is mostly due to all of the story content being contained in unvoiced quest text. If they had legit dialogue delivery of most of the questline plots in the game it would be way more compelling.

>>546696693
If akalix ratted out then they will have way more info on the server and its staff. they won't be able to forcibly have the server taken down most likely but they will be able to seriously intimidate the staff that doesn't live in russia which is most of them, and strongarm all the companies that provide their financial and internet services into complying.

Ascension next?

>>546694658
I tried playing on Ambershire recently. Made a shaman. Here was my experience with that server and <Evil>:
>dungeon queues are dead, if you queue as heal or tank it still takes an hour or more, never got a queue to pop as dps but the ones who did always told me they were waiting for hours
>when you see other players doing quests they don't take invites, some are hardcore, some are 60s leveling an alt, and some are just pricks, but it leads to having to wait for quest npcs to spawn or abandon quests
>guild feels dead, nobody talks in gchat (with one exception), usually around ten or fewer online, there were sometimes i was the only one online
>the one exception was aecheur, who told really dumb jokes sometimes when he was alive
>the most i ever saw was when they raided, and some of the anons i never saw online except when they raided
>when i asked guildmates for help on dungeons and quests i was ignored even though they were just standing around in stormwind doing nothing
>i was told it gets worse at 60, with no one wanting to do the level 60 dungeons and the queues being hours long even if you tank or heal
I eventually quit when I couldn't get groups for Scarlet Monastery. I think if I had started a month ago this wouldn't be a problem, but now the server has just kind of died off.

>>546696693
Losing 9/10 developers and having all their social media accounts taken down (so no more advertising) is an existential threat to the server even if Shenna is able to keep the server itself online

>>546697253
The bigger blow will be the money shit, if you have to use crypto or some even more contrived payment method to donate they will be cooked.

It's funny, I remember warmane used to have some crazy arrangement where you had to pay with gift cards for subway and random shit like that lmao. somehow they were able to launder that into cash apparently.

>>546696693
go after the DEVELOPERS who reside in western countries
go after their families if they decided to leave
go after payment networks, providers, etc..
get major DNS providers to blacklist turtlewow
take their domains away
there is a lot one can do to cripple turtle-wow considering it is definitely illegal

>>546695075
hi Bel!

>>546697103
i think the problem is a lack of content rather than an issue of being late to fresh
theres only so much that shenna can make with 1.12. lacking daily quests, vehicles and achievements (among other systems) seriously limits the menu of content that twow can offer
none of this was as apparent on nord because it was a fully progressed realm with like 10 different raids per week but when its down to molten core, twow is just a raidlog sim with talent changes

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turtle going down will be a good thing imo, someone can step in and steal all their content to be used for a server that isn't on the dogshit 1.12 client.

>>546696693
Fuck their economic structure. And no, most players won't pay with cripto.

>>546698125
but shills told me that 1.12 with mods is better than the wrath client

>>546698135
Is it feasible to use the latest retail client for a private server? Would be nice if all the UI shit was baked in like they are doing now. Not to mention all the modern graphics options.

>>546698592
if you're a player and not a content developer then yes*
have a look into how liquids are backported from noggit on 3.3.5 to 1.12

>>546698592
>but shills told me that 1.12 with mods is better than the wrath client
What they meant by that is they like the 1.12 client better because it's trivial to cheat on it with all manner of third party tools.

>>546698680
>have a look into how liquids are backported from noggit on 3.3.5 to 1.12
one wonders why you didn't just use the client that would not require backporting in the first place.

>>546698135
>someone can step in and steal all their content
their core is already leaked, it's just the nostalrius core because they are hacks.
also the 90% new content is kinda SHIT
>>546698625
>Is it feasible to use the latest retail client for a private server
been done by stormforge I think

>>546698820
>been done by stormforge I think
When I tried their new wotlk server it was a straight up stock wotlk client.

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>Ambershire is le dead
>hc rat dies
>thousands of people come out of the woodwork to dog on them

>>546698762
>one wonders why you didn't just use the client that would not require backporting in the first place.
because twow started out as a 0.5x 300 pop roleplay server with no plans to deliver any custom content
before shenna hid the population graph on the website it literally showed no more than 300 players from between 2018 and 2021
the AQ war event was already over by the time the population even hit 500+ let alone the thousands from the few big waves theyve had
no one knows why they didnt switch over to 3.3.5 but either sunk cost, tech debt or sheer incompetency and lack of foresight

>>546697103
Dude, so real. My thoughts exact.

>>546698971
Are you not ready for TBC HAAAAAARDCOOOOORE?!

>>546699230
I'm ready to laugh at these vermin dying and dance on their tombstones.

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>>546698046
Sup.

>>546697103
Why would you spend time making a fake post like this

How the fuck do you go from 10k+ players and instant queues for every single dungeon in the game to under 3k players during the weekend and every single bit of group content being a ghost town in less than 3 months?

>>546698902
I am pretty sure there was a vanilla server that ran on the classic client.
Oh well, I did find this though https://github.com/WowLegacyCore/HermesProxy

I like Evil :)

>>546699660
people level 1-60 and it takes the average retard over 120 hours
no one wants to make alts and do it again just so they can end up raiding twice a week instead of once

>barely any GMs on all weekend
I'm not complaining since chat is infinitely funnier when you don't have some faggot trying to make it into a reddit hugbox, but I am noticing and it's making me worried

>>546699042
They severely reduced the amount of shit needed for AQ to open. I would say we had around 200 at the time. There were maybe two raiding guilds and only one was ready for AQ but it had all the GMs in it so they pushed for opening it.

>>546699660
server pop was always going to decline naturally but it fell off a cliff because of the (real) threat of the server going down after the lawsuit.
I was still playing on amber when the news dropped and for literally 3 days afterwards all of the global chat was speculation about what would happen to the server. the #1 complaint people have about private servers is that their character and progress doesn't last and even the possibility of that is enough to scare them away.

is turtle really on the nostalrius core? so what did they even make on the server?

>>546700269
Well, you see. Shenna deserves your money because she is going to be homeless otherwise.
Stop supporting Blizzard.

>>546700269
they supposedly made a janky unreal engine layer. except it's clearly vaporware that would never happen even if they didn't get their eyes ripped out by shekelstein and co.

they were constantly bitching about having invested a lot of money into that project, I wonder if that was legit or just them hyping it. It would be hilarious if they really did dump big money into it only to get fucked raw by blizzard.

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>>546699042
>>546700141
managed to find a picture of the pop graph. each of those horizontal lines is 1000

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>>546700527
>if they didn't get their eyes ripped out by shekelstein and co.
Crogge already consulted a lawyer on the client, it's legally "unknown territory".

>>546700560
>>546700702
AQ opened on Turtle Wow in 2020.
https://www.reddit.com/r/wowservers/comments/jm5ddv/opening_of_ahnqiraj_gates_on_turtle_wow/

>>546701016
what lawyer? does he actually claim to have consulted a lawyer about it because he doesn't say that in your pic.

I can't imagine how it could be a legal gray area.

>>546684536
Unless this is his PvP gear(which i doubt because who would use leather for pvp?) then the reason for his low dps is the fact that his gear seems to have been put together by someone that doesn't know which stats they should use.

https://turtle-wow.org/armory/Ambershire/Theodorian

Your pants, bracers and shoulders do almost nothing for you except the hit, but you are at 10% hit despite needing only 8% (assuming you bought the mace skill which you should have).
BM has plate shoulders with agi/str and spellpower for example and since you are exalted you should have those, why don't you use them?

Your gear is a mix of SP and AP but you use Seal of Righteousness which scales with SP so half of your gear does almost nothing for you.

You don't seem to be using any spellstrike either which explains a lot of things.
Eybas consecration to auto-attack ratio is around 1.8 while yours is 1.04 which makes me think that you are having mana issues, which is something spellstrike helps with.
Then there is the amount of auto-attacks done by both of you, Eyba did 30% more auto-attacks which means either you die a lot or you are afk.

Why are you not using any T0.5 pieces, you don't seem to have a single one, im not sure about what is BIS in this phase but you certainly want the 4-set bonus and many of the pieces straight up outperform yours.
It is a real shame because your weapon gets outperformed only by untamed blade (you will never even see it drop) and ashbringer.
Unless you are willing to farm t0.5 you should probably switch to seal of command and stack str/crit, maybe switch back once you have t2 and more spellpower in general.

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i'd be far more open to playing on official servers except for the fact that
>the community is overwhelmingly toxic and/or sweaty, yet suffers from severe inferiority complex and Dunning-Kruger
>SoD added barely any content, of a poor quality, and has run its course by now, making it a poor choice for new players
>$15 sub is not an unreasonable fee, but i'm not going to spend money for an outdated and middling product that could otherwise be free
>they plan on re-releasing the entirety of WoW all over again and just coasting on that for the foreseeable future
turdle at least tries to put in unique content here and there, or add in challenges (albeit goofy ones) to give something different to do

>>546701228
>what lawyer? does he actually claim to have consulted a lawyer about it because he doesn't say that in your pic
I am just kidding, that's just his retarded legal opinion. The only time they probably ever consulted a lawyer was after the lawsuit.

>>546701334
You forgot the most important parts.
>ACTUAL HUMAN GMS THAT AREN'T INDIANS
>TOTAL GDKP DEATH
>KILL THE BOTFARMS
>BAN GOLD BUYERS

>>546701334
>the community is overwhelmingly toxic and/or sweaty, yet suffers from severe inferiority complex and Dunning-Kruger
a non-issue. find a guild or friend group to level with, pick a soloable class (hunter,warlock,mage) or just suck it up
>$15 sub is not an unreasonable fee, but i'm not going to spend money for an outdated and middling product that could otherwise be free
he says while in a general for a 21 year old mmo on a website that launched in 2003

>>546701954
>the community of a multiplayer game being shit is a non-issue because you can solo grind like a total sperg
lol

>>546702035
vanilla was designed as a soloable game so yes its a non-issue

>>546696894
Sure, just go through the court process of that in the US, Canada, OCE, the jaja countries, all europeans, then you maaaaybe cripple the 10k english speakers playing regularly, with the 3 or 4 servers full of chinks and all the russians not giving a damn, great use of your money/time.

>>546701334
Retail has a ton of dadgamer guilds that are chill as fuck. If they nut up and do Classic+, I’ll rebus. Scarlet Enclave proved they know what they’re doing when it comes to Classic+ far more than Turtle. They just need to actually commit to the idea. But if we got a Classic+ server from Blizzard with like playable High Elves and Ogres, and a new class like Necromancer or Runemaster, new quests new dungeons new raids new specs so on and so forth, Turtle Wow would be dead before the lawsuit ever resolves.

>>546702318
Microsoft has nothing but money and this whole thing is purely to defend their Copyright or they lose the rights to it. Turtle fucked up by being loud about it.

>>546702369
ngl retail itself is sounding better lately. the story is obviously still trash but banning addons and creating stock UI replacements for them is a very good change. Simplifying the gameplay is also good.

>>546702520
>Simplifying the gameplay is also good.
Absolutely fucking not, especially considering they're simplifying already simpler kits

>>546702686
There's nothing simple about them you lunatic, go check out the wowhead guide for any random spec right now in 11.whatever, it's absurd. Simplifying that nightmare should have been their #1 priority for years now and they are finally doing it.

>>546702318
That’s why they have lawyers and what they’re doing. They don’t even have to do it in every country. The US alone will kill do many services Turtle is using now, such as Cloudflare and Paypal. And sure their are alternatives but they aren’t as good and setting them up and getting players to use them is a pain. And that’s ignoring the fact that US banks won’t touch them, which cuts them further off worldwide. I’m not American but my credit cards are Visa and Mastercards. How would I donate if those banks refuse to process payments to Shenna’s accounts? I won’t be able to. And neither will a lot of people. Then you have the people working for them, and a lot have walked away to avoid getting Akalix’d. So many addons developed for Turtle were pulled by their creators from github. Behind the scenes who can say how many workers and volunteers stepped aside but the answer sure as day isn’t zero.

>>546699769
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3vLJ85TkIXk

I'm willing to pay $30 a month for a proper classic+ by blizzard with actual GMs, no tokens, no GDKP, no boosting. They can have some other realms where you can play with normal sub, with their AI moderation, tokens and widespread boosting, but I want some premium realms for white men.

>>546703074
GDKP is actually good thoughever assuming they keep gold sellers banned.

>>546703074
I forgot to mention bots, but I guess that included with moderation.

>>546700269
Nostalrius and Elysium were already worlds apart, the load Elysium was and turtle is able to handle is massive compared to nost.
If they are based on the Nost core then it is nothing but a basic framework, because things like armor/dmg values and proc rates were completely different.
Ironfoe is held in such high regard by some people because it had an insane procrate on Nost, on turtle and in vanilla ironfoe is pretty shit.

>>546703074
Didn't they announce they're banning gdkp on anniversary realms or something?

>>546702520
SoD was fun. Retail has it’s problems but so does Turtle Wow or any other server. At the end of the day if you play with people you like you will have fun.
I think an issue Shenna ran into was they fell for their own hype. They let retailhaters tell them Turtle Wow was better than retail and let this feed their ego. I saw Shenna was directly tweeting at the official Wow account bragging about their numbers and UE5. Just so dumb. The China situation didn’t help. They thought the money would last forever but once Blizzard reopened in China they lost almost all their Chinese support. Turtle Wow was just a waiting room. But they overspent and now the money is gone, they have a lawsuit, and they’re pretty well fucked.

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>>546703337
yeah gdkp is banned on anniversary but nothing has been done about the rampant goldbuying leading to consumes like mongoose reaching 30g+ for 1

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>>546702686
>they're simplifying already simpler kits
yeah bro retail rotations are straight baby shit. having 4 different stacking conditional random procs such that I require a weakaura to tell me when to press execute optimally is too easy.

You shouldn't be able to play the game at all unless you are a professional concert pianist with 15 different addons instructing your keystrokes at all times.

>>546702517
microsoft demands 30% profits from their cucks at xbox, blizzard/bethesda etc. are likely in a similar boat, wasting money to run after ghosts for blizzards ego is the last thing they are interested in, as if microsoft cares about such peanuts.
And if by some miracle they can actually hit them where it hurts, someone willy "mysteriously" "steal" all the data and relaunch his own version of twow under a new entity.
That is actually what turtle is.
Elysium -> Lightshope/Everlook -> turtle
its all the same shit, and these in turn are basically nostalrius which "shut down"

>>546695898
Do you even play the game?
because of the dogshit turtle balancing weapon on ret is meaningless, ALL that matters is spell power
He's still a moron for not building any but stop talking out of your ass

>>546703715
>wasting money
that's what these giant corporations do best, don't know why you are coping so hard

>>546703337
Yes and a lot of people want GDKP back now because they can't afford consumes and pug are shit tier. Before you had to swipe to get loot, now you have to swipe to raid, not really better. As long as RMT is involved, classic is an awful experience.

>>546703240
>it had an insane procrate on Nost
so they fixed a bug, alright
>turtle is able to handle is massive compared to nost
it's not "massively" larger than what nost was handling

>>546703715
>wasting money to run after ghosts for blizzards ego
you realize microshart is a 4 TRILLION dollar company correct? how much do you think it costs for them to hire some lawyers to conduct this lawsuit? The warcraft IP is worth infinitely more than whatever it costs to jump through the legal hoops required to protect it.

>>546704073
Almost like GDKP itself wasn't the issue and it was in fact the chink gold sellers.

It's a literal fact that GDKP is the perfect system for raid loot ASSUMING there is no illicit gold in the system.

>>546704262
This.
They can just pitch it to the microjews as protecting their intellectual property against a criminal organization that illegally profits off of it.

GDKP is fine. RMT isn't. When you farm Dire Maul for your gold and use that in a GDKP it works.

>>546704073
Buying any amount of gold needs to be an automatic bnet wide perma ban with no appeals, trace that shit to their hardware fingerprint, their payment method, contact details etc whatever it takes to prevent them spinning up another account
Cull these shitheads out of the franchise. Don't even go after sellers, let them operate so you can target the buyers. The sellers will go away naturally once the real problem of cancerous game destroying players have been dealt with

>>546701223
Yep and as you can see in >>546700702 the numbers correlate with what >>546700141 said.

>>546704629
I'm inclined to agree with this in spirit but the issue is that gold buying is so pervasive that you would end up banning 3/4 of the playerbase. So their only practical option is go after the sellers.
Personally I have never bought gold in the almost 20 years of playing the game, but literally every person I know or have played with has at some point.

>>546704804
>old buying is so pervasive that you would end up banning 3/4 of the playerbase
Lol no
I don't think it should be punished THAT hard as the other anon said but there has to be some consequences to helping ruin the server you're on

It's bizarre how massively detrimental gold selling has been to the game when you consider how little value gold actually has in the game. I mean what can you really get with it? some shitty gear, mounts and cosmetics?

Honestly I would prefer if they straight up removed the ability to trade gold and items at all and made everyone play ironman mode.

>>546703337
It's only banned in theory. You still have some GDKP discord or group advertising some alternative like replacing gold by black lotus. It's also still quite common or even more common than before that people buy loot in HR/SR raids by simply whispering the one who won and trying to purchase it. It's extremely rare that I win an item and don't immediately get a whisper from someone trying to buy it off me. Classic community is fucked up and I don't know how it could be saved.

>>546705449
consumables

you know who craves this much drama in their life, who complains this much about made up shit
a woman
not a man
youre more of a tranny than any of the actual transexuals in the guild
grow a pair

>>546705719
ok but even that, how valuable are they really?
in fact consumables are another thing that should be straight up removed from the game. It's nothing but pure bloat.

>>546705830
>how valuable are they really
you clear the raid in 30 mins instead of 1 hour
so you pay to play the game less

>>546705943
you have to farm the consumes one way or another though, the true irony being that most people spend more time obtaining consumes than they save on clearing the raid faster.

consumables really are a straight detriment to the gameplay. like who is eager to go out and collect all their little elixirs and potions when they log on to wow instead of actually playing the game. just cut all that bullshit out, they are literally only in the game in the first place because buff consumables are a dnd trope.

>>546705494
>whispering the one who won and trying to purchase it. It's extremely rare that I win an item and don't immediately get a whisper from someone trying to buy it off me. Classic community is fucked up and I don't know how it could be saved.
It's the same in retail nowadays. I won a trinket and got whispered by half the raid, most people were trying to buy it for 2 tokens worth of gold, the highest offer was 1M6 gold. I don't understand why that's allowed or so common nowadays it wasn't like that even 5 years ago in Legion. Think the first time someone tried to buy an item like that from me was in Shadowlands, now there are more people buying items than not.

>>546706148
have you considered trying out Fellowship?
It's got all of the "real gameplay" without any of that pesky MMORPG stuff that is in WoW for some reason

>>546704262
This isnt about the IP, this is about turtle making fun of them for being incompetent while turtles playerbase is exploding lol
If it was about the IP they would go after everyone the same way.

>>546706338
I got my epic flying in OG WotLK when someone bought a T10 token off me in ICC

>>546706364
What are we classifying as "MMORPG stuff" here? If you were a REAL MMO enjoyer you would want them to include level reductions and gear losses on death, after all they had that in the OG MMOs right? Why are you playing a baby game like wow?


If I didn't know any better, I might think that blindly copying mechanics from older games wasn't necessarily a good idea, and that anything included in the game should be able to justify its own existence in terms of what amount of fun or satisfaction it provides to the player.

>>546705449
>>546705830
>>546705943
>>546706148
people only buy gold because farming gold in classic is boring as fuck unlike the gigantic menu of content that later xpacs have
no one wants to kill furbolgs in winterspring for 2-3 hours every day to eventually get their epic mount because killing mobs and waiting for respawns is boring as fuck
on the flipside, running heroics in tbc and wrath not only generates gold from vendor trash and boes but also gives you badges which you can then turn into gold by AHing nether/gems
dungeonfarming is fun and engaging especially if the content makes you focus and tests your skill
thats actually something that epoch did very well. i was very pleased with how good their changes to the endgame dungeons were especially the unique mechanics for every boss in scholomance

>>546704438
Again? They've banned it cuz they don't want to share with goldsellers, PERIOD

>>546706975
>thats actually something that epoch did very well
It was funny watching people wipe in UBRS.

>>546707152
and i'd rather do epochs scholo, strat live/ud, lbrs and ubrs a thousand times before doing even a single hour of firewater grinding
this is partly why people would much rather play tbc and wrath simply because theres more shit to do with a character than just appear in a raid instance every 7 days

>>546707283
>just appear in a raid instance every 7 days
raid lockouts are another thing that should be removed. you should be able to run raids whenever you want as many times as you want without restriction.

>>546706975
If you're farming gold intelligently you don't kill shit open world.

>>546707421
in vanilla? fuck no lol theres nothing else to do once your character is geared
in tbc maybe but without lockouts it would soon fall into the same problem as vanilla. id say remove the lockouts on 10mans but keep it on the 25s
for wrath i'd personally want to see 10N, 25N and maybe 10H lockouts removed but 100% keep 25H on lockout
>>546707910
the average player is not farming gold intelligently thoughbeit

>>546702369
>>546703369
SoD needed double or triple the content and runes they have now, and they also needed the process of acquiring and activating runes to be far less dreadful
Classic+ is absolutely the way to go moving forward, but there needs to be an actual team actively working on it next time around, instead of the skeleton crew running the show as an experiment

>>546707910
You shouldn't have to do chores at all in a video game just to enjoy the video game.

Ironically this is why vanilla was so popular in the first place, modern day sweats didn't exist, everyone just showed up to raids with fuck all for consumes or even decent gear, clicked all their abilities and they enjoyed it. literally the only thing people concerned themselves with that remotely resembles modern day wow chores was buying an epic mount, a one time event that didn't have much effect on the game regardless.

People want to play games when they play games. They don't want to be confronted with an hours or days or weekslong checklist they need to finish before they can play the game. If they are confronted with that 9/10 people will simply play something else instead that actually respects their time.

>>546708059
That’s the thing with SoD: it was an experiment. If they actually do Classic+, they’ll either go big and it will be a massive success and a revival for them, or it’ll flop. Basically it’s up to them.

>>546708000
>in vanilla? fuck no lol theres nothing else to do once your character is geared
I think you are looking at this backward. The compelling reason to play the games should be the content, meaning the raids or whatever else itself. The content should not be seen as an burdensome labor on the way to getting gear.

If people do view the content that way, the solution isn't to arbitrarily lock out access to the gear so it takes weeks to obtain, the solution is to make the content fun to do.

I have a warmane account that I made in 2019 that at this point I use solely to play bgs. I have played thousands of bgs on it long past the point of needing any kind of gear or gold, because I like doing bgs. Occasionally I will tank a 5 man because I find that a decently enjoyable way to spend 15 minutes. This should be what people are getting out of your game, NOT a series of tiresome tasks as a way to acquire shiny purple pixels.

>>546708198
imo a committed and time-invested player should outperform a raidlogging player in basically every situation but this is mitigatable by lowering the barrier of entry which is exactly what tbc did with battle/guardian consumes

>>546708624
BGs are mentally stimulating though
a pve raid is the same shit every fucking time which is what makes it boring and solveable
i think if given the choice of only raiding MC or only doing pvp then most people will pick the pvp because of its longevity

>>546708649
You can outperform a raidlogger without any chores through simple skill. Somehow there is no issue with skill expression in arena despite the fact that all consumes and some class abilities even are banned. The skill you gain from playing the game more than a raidlogger is more than enough to differentiate them.

>>546708759
You are exactly correct, and the solution here is to make pve content not boring and solvable.

What a good alternative server to Turtle that is not currently being risked of being shut down?

>>546708824
its impossible to make pve content not boring or solveable though because its pve and has to be scripted whereas pvp is always dynamic
i remember seeing an ai raid boss video a year or two ago and how it reacts to players but thats not at all something a private server would be able to pull off
and even if blizzards classic+ did that, would people want it? the current wow fotm is doing self-imposed challenge runs like goldbound, craftbound etc which is basically the videogame equivalent of making your drive to work more interesting by not allowing yourself to go above 40mph

>>546709004
comfy? chromiecraft
never shutting down? warmane
constant freshnigger servers? stormforge
korean mmo slop? ascension
legion(in 2 weeks) retoilet? tauri

>>546708198
You still had people farming consumes and chasing world buffs during vanilla for raids. The difference was so many people didn't raid. Most people during vanilla would slowly level to 60 and, if they even reached 60, would then just do dungeons and maybe get to try ZG or MC once or twice later during vanilla. Only 1% of the playerbase ever got to enter Naxx during vanilla. Personally I went from playing in a chill roleplaying guild to joining the best raiding guild on the server with a friend, and it was such a time drain that I quit after AQ40 absolutely exhausted with the game. Not just from the "chores" but from the toxicity of having to deal with people who very clearly did not have a life outside the game and were constantly fighting over who should get what item.
Vanilla Wow was definitely more casual but raiding was still sweaty.

>>546709108
I can only give my personal experience but like I said I find tanking dungeons to be fairly enjoyable pve content. Certainly not the best gameplay of all time, but it's a net positive for me, vs dpsing in raids which is miserably boring. I find tanking dungeons more fun because of the more chaotic and reactive nature of juggling aggro on multiple mobs and having to pay attention to your defense as well as offense, as opposed to playing a dps where your only performance metric is pressing your rotation keys in the most optimal form for 5 minutes straight.

imo, pve content can be made more engaging by adding an element of randomness and by making roles more diverse and reactive. Maybe make tanks required to hold hard hitting bosses but have dps pick up adds in a collective effort to protect the healers. Add variants to bosses and encounters so it isn't the same thing every week, meaning you have to actually pay attention and react instead of blindly watching a DBM timer. There are things you can do without having to invoke technical gimmicks like AI.

40 man raids sucked, it's time to admit it.

>>546709553
They had soul.
When 15 people are actively doing something, and the rest are drinking beer, sleeping, walking around the cleaned rooms in pairs...
When all that was gone, wow was gone too.

>>546704041
>because of the dogshit turtle balancing weapon on ret is meaningless, ALL that matters is spell power
So next raid use only Farmer's Shovel and see how your DPS is.
Not saying spell power isn't important. Of fucking course it is. But to say it's "all that matters" and dismiss weapon DPS is a total farce.

>>546709476
this isn't really making the pve content fun and enjoyable though you're just padding out and making it wider instead of giving it depth
those different variants each week would need to be drastic though and not something simple like rag doing a knockin instead of knockback
maybe changing all the damage in MC to frost/nature/shadow/arcane? but i could see this becoming a problem with people having to gear up with duplicate sets of the same item but with swapped resistances
or maybe have it as the bosses being vulnerable to frost/nature/shadow/arcane week on week instead? but all that would do is make boomkin, spriest and mage hella boosted for a single lockout per month which really isnt that interesting desu

>>546709553
40 man raids were the best. They should have made Caverns of Time a 100 man raid like they originally planned. Raids should be a massive endeavor and not some 15 man dungeon.

>>546710604
The more players in a raid, the less the mechanics matter OR you give individuals too much griefing power.
>2 DPS die
>"oh no who gives a fuck"
or
>out of the 25 DPS 1 is barely paying attention because he is a faggot
>explodes due to a mechanic killing half the raid
Lower the amount of players, the more challenging you can make it.
40 man raids are a fucking joke in vanilla and you know it. Everyone knows it.

>>546710932
To be fair you barely care if 2 DPS die in a 25 man raid either

>>546710085
>maybe changing all the damage in MC to frost/nature/shadow/arcane? but i could see this becoming a problem with people having to gear up with duplicate sets of the same item but with swapped resistances
We're trying to eliminate chores here not add more.

I was thinking instead of having boss abilities on timers and cooldowns so rigid that you can time your aoe heal cast to land 0.1 seconds after it hits by watching DBM make boss abilities have a +/- 5,10,20 whatever second window to cast so you actually have to pay attention and react instead of knowing exactly what percentage of health an ability will trigger. Give bosses a variety of abilities to use on every trigger instead of a single known spell so you have to anticipate using multiple responses to the attack. Instead of having adds spawn in exactly the same place such that the offtank is standing in position 3 seconds before they spawn, have multiple spawn points that are randomly selected every pull, so the tank AND the other players near the spawn have to pay attention and react to the adds. Have more targets in general, because singular boss monsters are inherently limited in what they can do and are also incredibly boring to tank as well as dps.

>>546710932
Except two DPS dying doesn't matter either way. They're DPS.
Larger raids just feel more epic, like you're an army sieging the enemy's stronghold, taking on literal gods in some cases. Smaller raids just feel like dungeons where you're a party of adventurers, and it's weird when they pit such a small group against a being that's supposed to be a god.

>>546711019
True, I should have said a higher number.
But you get the point.

>>546710932
>The more players in a raid, the less the mechanics matter
That's really not a bad thing.

Instead of having 30 different raid difficulties and sizes, they should have made it so raids are relatively easy to complete with a full raid of people in the previous tier gear. Then add achievements for completing the raid with less than the maximum allowable amount of players, and have it tuned so that it's hard to beat it with half the amount of players in BiS. No need for contrived difficulties, everyone sees the same bosses in the same raid.

It's a baked in difficulty solution that's also scalable. A natural form of flex raiding. For every missing raid member have an extra reward. An achievement, a title, mount tabard etc.

They literally already did this with naxx in wotlk and then never did it again.

>>546711225
And the problem is from the difficulty.
People these days clear AQ40 in what? 30 mins?
They show up and clear a god's fortress in 30 mins.
Even if AQ40 is one of the harder raids of vanilla, it's way too easy. My point was that it's hard to really balance for 40 players.

>>546711225
>two DPS dying doesn't matter
They do for any encounter remotelly challenge, that you wont find on on WoW until "le retail".

>>546711574
>it's hard to really balance for 40 players
The problem is "le ebin banilla main character brown-man" doing 3 times more DPS than your 2nd best option.

>>546711574
MMOs aren’t difficult, especially not ones that were solved two decades ago. That has nothing to do with raid size.
If you want a challenge play Battletoads.

>>546711174
your suggestions are good but they're really only adding width and padding, not real depth
>have multiple spawn points that are randomly selected every pull
so say give rag's adds 3 different places to spawn instead of one, now you'll need 3 offtanks to be safe otherwise with only 1 OT if the adds spawn across the room from him then the adds will aggro onto a caster and the caster will die while the OT is holding W. yes it adds variety in the form of randomness but all itll do is annoy both the caster and the OT because of something that was out of their control
>make boss abilities have a +/- 5,10,20 whatever second window to cast so you actually have to pay attention
people (especially healers) are already paying attention to boss %s and castbars, adding a random variation in cast time triggers doesnt really do anything except keeping the raid in anticipation. good healers will pre-cast anyway so this doesnt really add anything? unless im not understand what you're explaining

>>546709230
>legion(in 2 weeks) retoilet? tauri
50 talent related bugs in the bugtracker
are you sure about 2 weeks?

>>546712895
>, now you'll need 3 offtanks to be safe
Or just have the OT positioned in a neutral location relative to the spawns so he can react as fast as possible to the spawns, and make it so if a healer catches a stray hit it won't oneshot him so the OT has some breating room for picking up the add.
>adding a random variation in cast time triggers doesnt really do anything except keeping the raid in anticipation
That's exactly what I'm trying to do with this scenario, make players anticipate and react rather than memorize a scripted encounter, or more likely, turn their brain off and follow the stage instructions provided by DBM. Having a more randomized boss attack window means you have to pay attention to the boss and react, and like I said to begin with more reactivity is how you make gameplay not boring.
> good healers will pre-cast anyway so this doesnt really add anything?
If you are pre-casting for 30 seconds straight in anticipation of a boss attack that you don't know the exact timing of you are leaving your regular healing duty on the table. This is the kind of juggling of tasks that I think will make things more engaging.

Keep in mind, none of this has to be more "difficult" necessarily. The difficulty is ultimately determined by the numbers involved. Like the offtanking scenario mentioned earlier, if the add will oneshot a healer then yes having random spawns would be very punishing, but you don't have to make them oneshot the healer.

If you want raid bosses to be more challenging you give them a couple sets of moves. Each time you engage the boss it chooses from the set. Then you don’t know if it will have a mechanic where you need to spread out or a mechanic where you need to cluster up until it actually uses the mechanic. Then add the ability for raid bosses to switch to different sets during fights. Makes raids a bit more dynamic since you have to stay on your toes instead of following the same script each fight.

I'm a bit shocked just how simple classic endgame is. Sure it's all been figured out but bosses with a few exceptions are just large trash mobs. I thought the final boss in ubrs was just a big trash pack before the final boss.

I dunno man people still fuck up and die on even heroic dungeons, I think they've already found the balance when it comes to difficulty

>>546713626
stack/spread mechanics are not challenging

>>546713626
>just add artificial difficulty, bro

>>546714582
It's not a question of difficulty, it's a question of fun engaging gameplay. Performing brain surgery is an extremely difficult task requiring an immense amount of skill, that doesn't make it fun or mean that people do brain surgery for fun.

Wow pve isn't boring because it's easy it's boring because it's utterly predictable. The only way to make something as rigidly scripted and predictable as wow pve difficult is to make the numbers tight. Extremely demanding dps checks and oneshot mechanics are miserable unless you are in a highly disciplined and organized raid of hardcore raiders which are a tiny minority of the playerbase. So you end up with difficult content that 99% of players don't find fun. They might as well become brain surgeons instead and make some money while doing it.

>>546714582
Nothing should be harder than trash in BT. No more than 2 bosses per raid should have any gimmick. Tank and spank should remain the norm with only the occasional dps check. The challenge is getting everyone together on time and going in the same direction.

>>546714967
Didn't release BT have like a literal 98% clear rate

>>546715165
Sorry, 98% fail rate*

>>546715165
Idk there was something about nobody ever killed KT before nerfs I think. But in general, the regular trash pulls in TBC raids were more involved than the 2nd last boss in MC.

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>people unironically talk about difficulty
>when they use add-ons like bigwigs, lazypig and others
>looking up guides for every single dungeon and raid
>looking up gear pieces on icevein and similar
>lemme tell you about le difficulty
The most ridiculous community is the WoW community. No skill, no experience, no knowledge, no improvement. Just look it up and play the gambling gacha gear game.
Especially bigwigs is such a tard add-on in my opinion and all these "skilled" high-end guilds require the tard-handler add-on.
Imagine you play any other game and it shoves in your face in big red letters everything you have to do next with a loud sound effect.
You people couldn't even clear Kara10 if there weren't guides for it.

>>546713626
It's funny because this is what nefarian does with the class call mechanic, randomly pulls out an attack from a pool of 9+ possible spells that players have to react to in the moment. Still remembered as one of the most fun and memorable boss mechanics.

what profs for my troll rogue on 'auri 'gion

>>546718341
Bigwigs suck ass till Legion. So you'are talking about retail, am i right?

>>546718341
this is why the gameplay should be constructed such that you don't defeat it simply by knowing what to do.

I can look up mechanics and strategies for playing counter strike as much as I want, it won't make me into an elite level player.

>>546718341
retail isn't that kind of game
everyone just wants to log in and do their chores

>Akalix
About to be castrated, force femmed and turned into a californian black gang member PERMANENT cracker cock toilet
>Shenna AKA Troonta
Deported via RICO, sent directly to Guantanamo bay to be PERMA blacked by the guards
>Crogge
Deported via RICO directly to chicongo to be raped to death by feral negroes


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>>546718767
Pace yourself; you don't want to do all the content so quickly. First, reach the maxlevel and consider farming some transmog sets or mounts. Then you still have plenty of time for grinding the real useless chores like professions when you get bored.

is turtle wow gonna shut down soon

>>546718405
The random nature of the class calls is great because it keeps players on their toes, not just watching out for their own class calls but also others that they have to take care of. You also have to show some care not to enter the last phase on certain class calls because it'll make the encounter much harder to complete if not downright impossible. I also love that there's a variety of ways to counter each class call, particularly the mage pillar strat. And the fight is also smart enough to realize having you just focus fire on one guy is pretty boring so they throw in the first phase where you have to kill wave after wave of minions and that final phase where you have to quickly aoe down a final wave of minions. It's definitely one of the best fights they designed for vanilla.

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I just wanna level a belf rogue, preferably in TBC or Wrath.

Should I just level in Warmane Lordaeron? Most TBC servers are completely dead yeah?

>>546730408
Belwynn…

>>546732732
TBC is pretty dead right now in terms of wow pservers. I would recommend Tauri.

for me it's cutepinkunicorn

>>546732834
How are Rogues in Legion? I only played them until MoP, in which they were pretty fun imo.

>>546681482
Why is Aecheur still so low on DPS?
At this point he should just swap to heals for the sake of his guild.

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>>546731879
i like the civ5 edit of this

>>546733298
literally no one (not a single soul) cares about aecheur’s dps except for silkfag. no one.

>>546734492
thats so funny aecheur

>>546734492
i care about you all being shitters which is why i quit

>>546727583
reading this thread has really opened my eyes to how low the IQ is of the average poster here. the thing asmongold said about 'wow brain' is very real. there was an interesting discussion about ways to improve the game and reduce tedious busywork, yet many of the replies were wow zombies immediately replying defensively in favor of some of the shittiest gameplay in wow seemingly for no reason other than that's what they are familiar and comfortable with. Geniuses like this guy
>>546710085
who when asked about ways to make pve more fun the only thing he could come up with is adding even more tedious bullshit as a gear check because that's somehow "depth", and claiming that it's "impossible" for pve to be anything other than scripted and solvable with addons.
Then we had the typical morons that don't even understand why they ever liked the game in the first place assuming that the only way to make raids better is to make them more difficult. Most likely these clowns have never actually raided at a cutting edge level but assume that ball busting mythic raiding is good because they are so lacking in introspection they literally cannot grasp or articulate what they find engaging about wow themselves, so instead they just regurgitate the opinions of sweatlords and professional raider jackasses.

the people who play this game and especially play private servers are literally drooling zombies going through the motions of playing out of sheer habit probably as some kind of coping mechanism. It's so telling when the conversation turns to improving the game the only thing on their mind is gear instead of actual fucking gameplay.

>>546733117
Outlaw is really good.

>>546733117
PVE
right now in prepatch it's assa and outlaw (outlaw has better aoe without artifact shit)
when legion rolls out it will most likely look like this
Assa(decent)>Outlaw(mediocre)>Subtlety (dogshit without specific legendary item, becomes okayish with it)

>>546735185
I will never understand why people hype up legion as one of the best expansions, the legendary casino bullshit alone is pure cancer. and lets be real the story is completely batshit. I don't care how many one liners you give to illidan, traveling through space to different planets on magical crystal spaceships to do battle with a chaos primarch and his legion is fucking ridiculous for a game that is ostensibly a medieval fantasy setting.

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>>546734492
Well to be fair I don't really care either. It's not my guild. I'm just wondering out loud why the guy continues to do such dogwater DPS. Personally if I saw I was at the bottom of the DPS charts and I could switch to heals or tanking, I would just for the good of my guild. This would go double if I was the GM of said guild and wanted it to do better. I get that it's just MC and not a difficult raid, but the raids do get harder. They also announced they'd be tuning BWL and will likely tune AQ40 in the same way, so you're looking at harder raids that will be made harder and also don't downscale quite as much. If I remember right BWL downscales to 25 not 20. Maybe they changed that? But unless you get four new people to join you on your raids and nobody quits, you're looking at facing a harder raid undermanned. So you're going to be able to get away with a lot less clowning around. And then things will only get worse as the server progresses and you're going into AQ40 and then Naxx.
So maybe his plan is to just clown around and have his fun in MC, then get serious and switch to heals for BWL or AQ40 when things get tough. That's not the worst idea. But if he's seriously just going to stick to DPS, I really have to wonder why.
I mean he's getting beat by a Survival Hunter, and Survival has a ton of its toolkit tied to fire-based traps that don't really work that well in MC. Why continue to be a bottom DPS carried by the rest of your guild when you could contribute to your guild's success by doing something actually useful and healing?

>>546735409
>ostensibly a medieval fantasy setting.
hasnt been one since TBC

>>546735409
I don’t consider the best but I think compared to WoD and then the expansions that followed it, Legion is pretty good. I still like MoP over Legion.

>>546735851
tbc was bad enough but going full warhammer 40k retard was over the line in the extreme. I didn't sign up for that shit when I started playing a game about killing dragons and orcs in old stone towers and caves. It's so absurdly fucking batshit like I can't think of a single other franchise that went that far, zero.

>>546735643
4cuck guild members tend to hide behind a facade of playing "casually" when confronted by their dogshit performance. He likely doesn't use many consumables and certainly not a flask. To his credit, boomkin is quite weak until you get AQ40 gear, however this defense goes out of the window when you realize his competition are other retards like Sulfuras holder ret paladin using SoR with AP ret gear.
He does not want to improve, he wants free loot. Any criticism you can come up with will be quickly deflected by "bro its MC, stop sweating". It's a terminal case of being a shitter.

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>>546736013
>"bro its MC, stop sweating"

>>546735993
TBC set it up that demons were spacefaring invaders.
Legion only continued it.

>>546698135
why the fuck would anyone do that lol
all their custom content is dogshit

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>>546735409
for quite a few classes it was terrible experience over all until later patches rolled out, because the class designer was a colossal faggot
>Legion comes out, 99.9% of rogue class hall is full of outlaw rogues
>2 weeks pass, blizzard nerfs that specialization so hard it goes to 80%-20% ratio in favor of assa
>blizzard rogue class forum is just non stop doom posting, smarter people rerolled to monk, lot of guide makers just quit outright
Mage was equally funny
>Arcane did no damage, unless you stacked specific debuff that expire very quickly normsl rotation was not viable
>Fire was left almost untouched until the end of the expansion where it was nerfed slightly, people memed about fire being the pet class of blizz employees
>Frost required lot of effort to just compete with half afk fire mage
Warrior had bit of shaft as well
>Arms, you stack debuff like a cuck or you don't do M+ / raids
>Prot, fun detected nerf rage generation
>Fury, same problem as before, needs heavy gear/artifact investment, still worse than arms
Hunter was boring
>Simon Says press this spell! Marksman
>Beast mastery, the equivalent of watching the grass grow
>Survival, hope you had piano lessons as a kid
most people either forgot(or perhaps choose to suppress that of their memory) or played last patch

>>546736518
yeah I know and like I said, tbc was bad. Legion was giga-fucking bad in that respect. they quintupled down on the low rent 40k shit and it was fucking bad.

rogues should be the weakest class and do very little damage

>>546736921
This but hybrid classes.

>>546736013
I feel like there's a difference between "playing casually" and "playing dogwater." If he were still doing decentish DPS it would be whatever, but the top two DPS are doing more than double the DPS that he does.
>>546736105
The issue is I already addressed this in >>546735643 where I said that I get it's MC and the stakes are low so you don't need to sweat, but MC isn't the last raid. It's the first. They get harder from here, especially when you might be shortmanned for them.
If I were in his shoes, I'd switch to healing and start gearing toward that. Or at least start building on healing OS if he already isn't. He still has more than a month to get ready for BWL, so I hope he's preparing to put on the dress for the sake of his guild.

>>546736973
being able to heal isn't as broken as being able to stealth
rogues have had it too good for too long

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>>546734554
the people here are as rabid as 20 year subbed blizzdrones but they're too poor to afford a sub, they would rather die than admit something about the game might not be the best

>>546737062
>Druid can prowl
>hunters received camouflage
>mages got invisibility
>every faggot wander to AH and buy lesser/greater invisibility potion
wow so OP

>>546736013
>4cuck guild members tend to hide behind a facade of playing "casually" when confronted by their dogshit performance
shut the fuck up sweatnigger

>>546737189
holy BASED

Wait Theodorian stacked AP instead of SP?
Why tho?

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>eyba does more auto attack damage than theo despite theo having a much better weapon and stacking ap
Is he just ERPing during raids?

>>546737175
>every class can heal
>therefore every class is a hybrid
this is how you sound

>>546736013
>4cuck guild members tend to hide behind a facade of playing "casually" when confronted by their dogshit performance.
it's only the ERP adjacent generals filled with trannies who've cut off their balls that do this
go somewhere like /coopg/ and you'll constantly see people talking about how dogshit normalfags are and bragging about how good they are

>>546737158
and why would anyone pay blizzard?
play retail and somehow ignore how homosexual the story gets with each expansion?
play "classic" with bots flying under textures collecting nodes and hiding i side trees?

>>546737464
you say that but you play wow all day every day and would die for blizzarr

>>546737439
So Aecheur is a /heals/ poster?

>>546699332
why was your c'thun strat so trash

>>546737409
not my statement, stealth is overrated

>>546737596
so is healing on non healer specs

rogues should barely be able to 1v1 a normal mob the same level as them in the overworld
if they pull 2 or pull 1 higher level than them they should be all but guaranteed death as punishment for their failure to avoid being seen

>>546737719
>rogues should barely be able to 1v1 a normal mob
This is always the case. Am i playing rogue wrong?

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>>546737563
>everyday
no, if anything I am playing Mount and Blade: Warband bit too much
>die for company
lmao, nice projection tendie

hunters should get aids from their pets

>>546737891
only if they use a simian pet for maximum historical accuracy

>>546737439
Asa and Eli are ERPers yet they’re better than 99% of the thread. I would go as far to say they carried FMC and are currently carrying Evil.

>>546737563
I'm quite sure most here want Blizzard to die

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>>546737592
This poor horse bro.

I had 2 strats going in to C'thun:

1). Was with melee stacked 2x and marked with range freely to spread around with rough healer assignments. We were 30 players and the room was comfy for even 40 players to spread. 180 degree rotation after dark glare.

2). Everybody getting assignments if this failed. But I would have to know if it was player error, or positioning error.

Turns out, AQ 40 on Turtle worked a lot differently than Nost/Elysium/Northdale/Classic. Especially with tuning. The first beam jump was enough to demolish a melee. Especially if they got knocked by a tentacle shortly before and not topped. On other servers if you were flasked and geared you could even 3x stack. We still had issues where melee, who I won't name, were constantly chaining other groups and without logs it was hard to gauge if it was a strat issue or people learning the fight issue. Also between attempts I would have 5 people DMing questions that were answered by the sheet.

People were already pretty tired when we got to C'thun so we were limited on attempts. In hindsight strat 2 was the better one but with pretty much going in to Turtle tuning blind (I tried asking other guilds how Turtle tuning was and nobody could answer my questions) it was on the fly learning and not having logs to look at to see how much beam was doing. For example, Battleguard Sartura doesn't start bladestorming on every server on pull until ~15 seconds in. On Turtle, the boss started spinning instantly. Meaning following weeks more stuns were needed.

When we came back in refreshed and with strat 2 we killed it in I think 4 attempts? We still had people within the small section groups chaining people which was annoying. I trusted people to just spread and find their own spots with healers sprinkled around and that was a terrible mistake.

>>546739096
holy retard

>>546739096
Forgot to add. We also stuck melee to the wall and only had 1 in at each mark to counter the beam chain being overtuned. Those melee would also find some way to chain ranged and kill them in their sections.

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>>546739859
i remember someone running into me, getting blasted and killing us both and me being blamed
good times

>>546740135
I wish Turtle had a logging website that was at least around Warcraft Logs level of depth. I could of corrected so many things instantly.

I also hate AQ40 with a burning passion. If we didn't lose Sylma and that whole thing we were probably 6 ish lockouts away from being able to step in to Naxx so long as we had people with tank off specs decently geared for 4 HM and people had the rep for their tokens. I know my tank set was pretty behind but would of been corrected with 4 pc t2.5. Saph not needing FR gear makes one of the bigger walls nonexistent.

>>546739096
The problem was retards like Telegethu. You shouldn't bring them on boss with personal responsibilities. They should have sat in a corner during the first phase.

>>546740823
he was my 3rd favourite tank in all of fmc desu

>>546740741
>If we didn’t lose Sylma
I thought you quit because of your job and not because your mancrush dogfucker quit.

>>546740823
I was working within the confines of what I was given by Sylma and FMC. Anons only. I didn't wanna name names but yeah. I talked to him a lot and still gave him chances to prove himself. I don't mind new players that need to learn. It's actually really fun to see people in real time get better at the game. Like Aoi was super happy being new to WoW and doing really well in the melee stacks.

>>546740979
Tele was way better as a tank than as a shaman. If he had started on Nure I am certain people wouldn’t have been calling him a bad player.

>>546741135
Only in comparison to the awful tanks we had. Still an awful player.

>>546737189
Stop being a leech

>>546740741
fuck skeram fuck skeram fuck skeram

>>546741135
>dogshit player, detrimental on baby spec and useless role (end dps)
>acceptable player on complex spec and complex role (prot warr tank)
i think we used to call those people idiot savants

>>546741038
I joined because Sylma was getting giga shit on in thread and at the same time was curious about Turtle. When the goblin warrior stopped raiding with us he asked me to raid lead for us. I said sure I had some experience raid leading MC/BWL but not AQ 40 nor Naxx. I took it as a challenge since I wanted to do that role for the eventual Classic+.

Waking up like 15 mins before raid and reading in O chat that Sylma was gone, Felkiss was gone, Gargoth was quitting as well and told me I was now making the calls. I had no desire to lead a guild and have to mediate drama while also working 60 hours a week. It also sucked seeing friends quit.

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Someone explain to me why High Elves can't be druids on Truttle

>>546741473
only blood elves can be druids

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>>546741331
kek

>>546734492
That’s so funny Arthur Couton.

>>546741270
>>546741409
Even just by normal standards Nure was a great warrior tank. There definitely was some kind of idiot savant thing going on where tanking just clicked with him in a way playing enhancement shaman never could.

>>546741331
Skeram is the only non fun aq40 fight imo

Oh, where, oh, where can my RL be?
The GM took him away from me
He's gone to classic, so I got to be good
So I can see my RL when classic+ drops

>>546741473
no idea ask the HRTroondle devs
https://www.wowhead.com/tbc/npc=17975/high-botanist-freywinn is the closest blood elves got to druidism

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0-2: Nelf Priestess of the Moon with Bow on Nordanaar
3-5: Belf Rogue on Tauri
6-8: Fuck Private Servers, play AI Limit and wait for Cuuuuhlaasssic Plusserino
9: Fuck World of Cuckcraft, Watch Hitsuni no Chaika instead

>>546741948
0-9: I smash this trannys brains in with my fists

>>546736013
>>546735643
bro its MC, stop sweating.

>>546741432
Will you play on Blizzard's classic+ whenever that happens?

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>>546741948
>0-2: Nelf Priestess of the Moon with Bow on Nordanaar
bro that's my gimmick, stop it!!!

>>546742196
Why does your game looks like shit?

>>546742284
vanilla wow broski, everything is maxed (obviously)

>>546742163
Yes. I might be doing Raid Leading/Tanking/Officer for my 2019 guild if it doesn't fall apart. People I play with are kind of F R E S H Y. If that doesn't work I'll play with the people I'm doing raid leading with right now on Era in Naxx. Through uh, sources, Blizzcon 2026 announcement for Classic+.

let's not act like tanking isn't the most retardproof role, stand still and spam your abilities at the boss

What happened to Midnanon

>>546742389
My game doesn't look like that, it's like you are playing on min graphics with a shitty res.

>>546737975
>Raid multiple times a week for months and no one calls you a dedicated raider. But ERP once and be labeled an ERPer for the rest of your life
Life's too unfair....

>>546742501
nope everything is definitely maxed

>>546742640
>ERP once
Fuck off, you were/are constantly horny, even doing shit during raid.

>>546742196
Playing a Hunter as a Priestess of the Moon is how you should go. If I can make a recommendation, buy one of the owl vanity pets from Darnassus to emulate the Scout ability.

>>546742727
>even doing shit during raid
Now that's just not true

>>546742727
>that time asa sent filthydrunk a video playback of a raid and didn’t his whispers with eli were visible
There was a reason Filthy treated them the way he did.

>>546742814
that's not a bad idea!!!

>>546742887
It is. I caught you multiple times.

>>546742137
The issue with the "it's MC, stop sweating" mentality is that the people saying that will most likely keep saying it won't start putting in effort even when they reach raids that actually requires it

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Why are the most geared ppl often naked?

>>546743091
It's the only way they can feel anything anymore.

I wish demonology wasn't so fucking nerfed on every mop server because they all use 5.4 balancing...

>>546742930
Filthy was a trannychaser too though, fighting with another trannychaser (Fuutrans) over who gets the healtroons, at least until his (((wife))) showed up.

>>546743039
And who would you be

>>546743052
That and they aren’t actually good. As the raids get harder they aren’t going to suddenly pull off their masks and unveil that they were secretly good all this time. They’ll just be the same bads they are now, except instead of it being not a big deal because it’s just MC, it’ll cause tons of wipes and good players to quit because they’ll realize they can’t carry people like Aecheur through Naxx.

>>546743625
A sneaky rogue.

>>546743625
Glupshitto

>>546743660
stfu fish

>>546739096
Belwynn, you did nothing wrong. You were the steady hand that righted the ship during the storm.

>>546743663
I miss you Glupshitto you were always my favorite

>>546743907
Lies... nothing but comfortable lies...!
I am alone... always was! Lonely... forgotten... cold...

Dark iron dwarf of the protection warrior variety pussy.

>>546743828
He jumped ship at the first wave.

I never figured who all the funny nicknames were, I mean okay Yesma is kinda obvious, Rapecock = Torzag? All the others, no idea.

>>546743513
It was funny seeing Filthydrunk flirting with trannies nonstop and posting in the nsfw channel all the time, then the moment his wife joined the guild he suddenly hates trannies even though every friend he had in the guild was a troon.

>>546744121
he carried FMC through BWL and AQ40 though and I feel sad I never got to try Naxx with him

>>546744239
You have made this exact post like 7 different times now

>>546744160
I dont think they are real alias.

>>546744285
You never got to do Nax with him because he ran off like a coward. So much for being a steady hand.

>>546744309
It was true every single time I said it.

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naming the only person i miss from fmc will get me accused of selfposting

>>546744473
Not really it's just weird behavior posting that shit about someone who doesn't even play the game anymore

>>546744473
you forcing it so hard makes it look untrue and like you're just slandering him because he made you mad

>>546744379
he took responsibility of a guild full of shitters while being used to semi-professional raiding where everyone pulls their own weight with consumes and preraid preparation
the fact that he managed to guide a bunch of retards through BWL and AQ40 for almost half a year while watching good players bail over and over again is testimony of his efforts

>>546744665
doing vanilla raids for 20 years is not professional raiding no matter how much you cope

>>546743484
The metamorphosis rune which turns you into a pseudo tank is so fucking fun to use but it's painful just leveling with it. Tanks will hate you too lol, it was glorious in 5.3 for PvP.

I'll never forgive Blizzard for ripping it out of Warlock and giving it to Demon Hunter instead.

>>546744768
he literally explained you how turdle bosses behave completely different than on any other server, adjusting kniwn strategies on the fly to adapt to new scenarios
also semi-professional =/= professional, but aside the fact that you try to twist my post to fit your agenda, according to you F1 drivers are all a bunch of casuals because "LOL they've been driving Monza for 100 years now! It's a solved track!"

>>546744665
he was a high end retail player until he quit retail for private servers

>>546744665
>took responsibility
He quit to avoid responsibility by his own account.

>>546744768
For me, 40 man raiding is more mentally exhausting than retail raids. In retail, I don't have to constantly swap gear for example and mythic raid is slower paced with way more downtime.

>>546744568
It’s weird to flirt with trannies and spend all day with trannies for months and post and comment on tranny porn then go “I hate trannies” the moment your wife joins the guild.

>>546745215
But he didn't do that though

>>546745019
no, playing a videogame can never be professional, it's just something you do for fun

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>>546745694
>no, playing a videogame can never be professional, it's just something you do for fun
professional = getting paid

>>546746065
i can assure you no one in /wpsg/ or /wowg/ or /wowcg/ gets paid for warcraft raiding

>>546746176
You would be surprised.

>>546746176
this is why I said belwynn is used to a semi-professional raiding environment which is
a) not on turdle
b) unpaid but still held to a higher standard (read: semi)

>>546746176
Made enough money off boosts/pilots/coaching to fully pay for my Associates Degree and then some.

>>546745112
dont forget asalys and elicia were sabotaging the raid to spite him

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Human
Female
Retribution
Paladin

>>546748282
This wouldn't have happened if Telol kept a strong grip on his healsluts.

>>546748458
Telol is now a healslut.

Asa, stop posting.

let's not act like healing isn't the most retardproof role, stand still and spam your abilities at the tank

>>546748909
t. has never healed 4hm

>>546748909
There is no hard role in vanilla wow

>>546749147
Try to be a RL for 39 manchildrens.

counterpoint:

forcing someone into a new spec/role is a temporary short term solution, but ultimately self defeating in the long term

if people arent allowed, shamed, or simply discouraged from playing their preferred (howeveralbeit suboptimal) memespecs they'll eventually stop playing

my toxic trait is knowing i would mog literally anyone here in any facet of world of warcraft

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>>546744665
>semi-professional raiding

>>546749416
Simply don't be in a guild with 39 man children

vanilla raiding is shit
it's all about leveling, dungeons and occasional Battleground
social interaction is just icing on the cake

>>546741473
why would high elves be druids
you may as well have human and gnome druids because "hey they're into magic so why not nature magic"?

>>546741473
Because the high elves rejected nature's magic for the arcane.

>>546751074
That's bullshit, they did use arcane as well as nature like with Thas'alah. From a quick search on wiki, you also have the following.
>The high elves were originally depicted as much closer to nature, with Warcraft II mentioning elven druids as well as the elves joining the Alliance of Lordaeron partly because the Old Horde intended to defile the very lands of Lordaeron.
And there is also a full page dedicated to helf druid. https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Elven_druid

>>546752228
>Warcraft II
This was retconned in Warcraft III and Vanilla Wow.

>>546752228
>were originally depicted as much closer to nature
Key phrase here. When they came up with Night Elves for Warcraft III, they decided High Elves were the arcane magic elves and Night Elves were the nature elves.

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Fine, I'll just make my own TBC private server then with

>entirety of Draenor turned into a 50-60 zone
>Blood Elf Druids
>Manari Eredar Warlocks
>ability to join the new custom Scarlet Crusade, Burning Legion and Scourge factions for any player after level 50 (this turns you hostile with both the Horde and Alliance)
>unique additional faction abilities for each class
>WPvP mechanic where the five factions fight for control of endgame zones each weekend, if your faction doesn't control that endgame zone that week you can't harvest any endgame profession resources/resources required for creating the new legendaries from that zone that week
>weekly factional voting system where one player is voted as Warchief/High Lord/Scarlet Commander/Arch-Lich/Legion Lord by their faction and will be able to tax 0-25% of all gold received by the faction that week
>faction (sub)leaders will be able to post bounties on any player
>the ability to go rogue and factionless due to your crimes, with your only refuge being in the Goblin towns and Outland

Ill bring player reactivity back to Warcraft fuckers. Less sleep inducing raidlogging and more Eve Online shenanigans.

Learned plenty from Epoch their fuck-up, see you guys in 2032 when I'm a gazillionaire and able to go on extended holidays to Croatia from selling flying glittery mounts in my cashshop

>>546756504
I too was 15 at some point.

>>546756504
Holy based, can I be your ideas guy? I bring IMMACULATE vibes and have a 3-1 K/D score in Overwatch 2!!!

>>546756504
>le pvp MMO
The playerbase is smaller than your age, and I assume >>546756635 is right.

>>546756504
>mandatory RP with CNC ERP when you’re captured in PVP

>>546756794
I guess avatarfag anon was too gay for Warhammer Age of Reckoning

>>546756930
WAR was nothing like "le ebin PvP MMO" ideas guy faggotry. Two factions, PvP limited by zones and levels and gear as PvP rewad, now that's how you make a PvP-centric MMO.

>>546756504
I'd play on your server, Elaynna.

>>546754368
and High Elf "males" were indistinguishable from High Elf females
Night Elves also have bigger cocks

You can just grab Azerothcore and iterate on that with LLMs like Gemini even if you aren't a codemonkey.
The problem with Epoch was that they used
>ts-wow
which was never proven to work with a large amount of players and they used stock trinitycore. Which is full of gold exploits and bugged quests.

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>Arf! Arf! Arf!
>I'm a mighty tank shaman!
>And I'm definitely not addicted to musky, smelly Alliance cocks arf! Arf! Arf!
>Please don't put me in a dress and force me to heal or I'll cu-
>errr I mean
>I'll p-p-punish you in the name of the Elements!
>Y-yes what's next?
>Are you going to put me on a farm and creampie me until I fall in love with you?!
>B-b-bet you would like that?! Huh?!
>Arr-woof! Arrr-woof! Arf!