My Condition Has Its Advantages Edition>Latest patch:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/01-30-2026-update.102822/#post-205106>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/edit>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://www.deadfrag.com/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>557708720
>>557745845what the doc doing
>>557745820Seven has literally had a 58-60% winrate since 2024.
>>557745845Imagine this but if he could black hole during it
is there any reason not to make healbane your second/third item against a lane with a tank and/or a support or someone with high base health regen like drifter?
How do you win with the vampire brat if the game goes late and it can't be snowballed (most games without godlike teammate rng)?
>>557745932>apollo now has to spend 6.4k on green instead of ramping up his spirit nukezsounds balanced to me doe
Why is she like this!?
>>557746132Rework when? I want a fun caster that is skillful and not some lame shieldbot.
>>557746209hes already buying counterspell if he doesnt have brain damage, debuff remover is only necessary if youre getting dogpilled and have 0 dexterity to riposte/counterspell
>>557746313doesn't change the point, even if he counter builds he's still delaying his damage ramp up. and he is not a late game hero at all either.
>>557746278What a loser. A girl failure. A literal bitch and a mess.I love her, I want to housebreak her.
https://files.catbox.moe/ra2x75.jpgI can't believe that this is canon origin story for Rem.
>>557746304play sinclair then
Mina!Getting facefucked!
I'm gonna click that and I'm gonna regret it
NEW TIER LIST DROPPEDsource: Vegas
>>557746470I hate both of them, maybe if Sinclair becomes just a living doll/puppet instead of the duoet.
>>557746446
>>557746509>pros downplaying Victor and Seven again when all of their WRs stats in the top ELO show they are still finelol
>>557746509>Mina not S+This makes more sense desu though not sure what makes Venator on the same level. Of course I have never actually gotten Venator while queueing since apparently he is on par with Mina in terms of popularity at my rank.
They need to let us ban the new fucking heroes man I'm sick of every enemy team having celeste/apollo combo.
could i get an invite from one of you fine gents? https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198330052949/
>>557746813I'm just playing Stellar Blade until we can ban them DESU. I'm so fucking sick of Rem.
>>557746572why would that matter at all?
I feel like paradox is mean
So with Venator if you aim Gutshot above somebody's head it makes them go airborne and fly further back but if they hit a wall they don't get stunned do you think that's intentional or a bug?
Just play Sinclair then you rape the new characters by having their ults up more often lol
This place has a bigger problem with uplayers than downplayed desu. Some Seeker nigger will lose to a hero who had a good game once and then have a melty for the ages about how they're brokenly unplayable.
>kill someone>russian name>next game>kill someone>russian name>next game>someone casts blyatrunes in chatdoes this game take place in ukraine
>>557746509infernus getting nuked from orbit was the single best thing to ever happen for this game.
>>557747051She's just... misunderstood...
Sinclair is such an annoying motherfucker.
>>557747162If only the did the same to Abrams, Billy and Mina...
>>557746703Victor is legit terrible what are you talking aboutAll the new heroes more or less directly counter him. Fuck Venator isn't even that bad when you compare the Apollo/Celeste match up. I love getting zoned to the cuck chair while getting dealt 1k spirit damage+ thank you valveWinrates meaning nothing otherwise you'd get the impression Apollo and Celeste are balanced.
>absolutely god awful fucking roflstomp, worst I've ever had, 5 kills to their 50>Warden went 6k damage in a 25 minute match>check his history>5 pages of games, he almost never goes over 10-20k depending on time and plays m1ggers exclusively>all the games are RitualistHOWWhat the fuck is wrong with this matchmaking
>>557747454>victor is terrible because...>winrates don't count
>>557747136Its a Valve game, Slavs love Valve games for reasons I don't fully understand.
>>557746509All these eceleb tier lists rate Silver high but they never ever explain why, just vibes and feels
if your character has over 52% wr at phantom+ you aren't allowed to downplay them.no one cares about your anecdotes or your favorite streamer's opinion, if a character is shit they can't have a high wr it's not rocket science.
>>557747592I'm slavx as well
>>557747597he explained every placement while he was making it thohbeit
I wish Victor wasn't so boring to play. I love this bishie emo Frankenstein.
>>557746509I see there is still a collective delusion that Silver is the best character in the game and look forward to another complete failure showing when they actually try to play her
>>557747718I hope youve prepared your cope for tomorrow
>>557747718if silver was a guy hero you wouldn't be defending him
>>557747581YesSay with a straight face that shiv is balancedThis is his winrate in eternus btwit meansNOTHING
>>557746703Elo isn't an acronym lolbab
Silverfags are the fotm minafags
>>557747924Shiv is beyond dogshit outside of comp play, sorry not sorry.
>>557747592Valve games run really well on dogshit hardware, that's probably part of the reason
>>557747924if he's unbalanced why haven't they nerfed him more then? lol
>>557747924just because shiv is inherently broken in coordinated play does not mean victor is inherently weak overall.since victor is THE farm hero, any changes to the map or jungle will ultimately affect him the most. neither of them are close to being done so asking for buffs or reworks is silly
dota skills we need in deadlock>pugna nether ward>ancient apparition ult>echo slam>bloodseeker rupture>spirit breaker melee bash>weaver time lapse>ogre multicast
>>557747903I would, I think Silver is funHer being pretty is a bonus
>>557748181Rupture would actually be so cancerous in this game it's not even funny
>>557747718Silver could lose every game she is in tomorrow and people would still insist she's OPThe delusion is stronger than her actual kit.
>>557747863You think her changes from Thursday are gonna meaningfully change her 17% winrate in 'pro play'?>>557747903I'm goin off stats here, man. She's not terrible, and there's a lot of value in her ult even if it's just in demanding an answer and she doesn't get to do a giant killstreak, but I've yet to see any compelling reasoning for her being consistently placed in 'best character broken for real holy shit' tier, unless you're counting real low elo shit where nobody even bothers to answer her ult and she's free to run wild, or brawl where RNG sometimes dictates that nobody gets to do shit about it.
What are you even supposed to do when Apollo bullet res zim zams all over the place? Other than "just slowing hex and delet in 3.5 seconds bro".Just try to to dodge and attack in the 10s windows before he gets it again?
>>557748335APOLLORDS are right there with you Silverbro
>>557748302It's going to be necessary with how obnoxiously mobile Rem, Silver, Apollo, and Celeste are, if the mobility creep is getting THIS bad already.
we need a bkb item that then gets powercrept by assfrog making all abilities and ultimates pierce bkb
>>557748335>>557748458they're both extremely obnoxious, not OP they're just annoying to fight
Shoujo anime where Graves is the protag. Apollo and Victor are the competing love interestsMina is the mean girlPaige or Vindicta are the best friends
>>557748302I wouldn't be surprised if they tested it on Drifter and said "fuck that shit"
>>557748095I have a terrible PC with a decade-old GPU, have to lower every setting down to the floor and the game still wheezes a death rattle at 25 fps during fights, 40 when I'm roaming. I know it's still a beta and that they have to focus on other more important things but how hard would it be to add just one single toggle to lower texture quality. It's been like 2 years.
>10k souls up>3 counter items>always ult their carry>place some nasty doors>still loseSo this is the power of Doorman..
>>557748386Hope he's on your team.I think my last 10 matches were simply decided who had Apollo, the game is really shit now.
>>557748612use the potato config on gamebannana
>>557748518mobility creep compared to what? wraith blink? flying heroes? I think talon still gets free m/s from building spirit doesn't he kek
OFFICIAL /dlg/ POST POWER SCALING>SS+seekerGODS and their tales from shitlow>Sshiv monkeposting>Achat bubble postshelperposting>Bposts that are nothing but seething at matchmaking>Cvoicelineposting>F-emissarySISSIES and their incessant bitchingmina/graves/etc downplayerswaifuposting
Idea: Instead of being able to parry a Guardian for free, you have to heavy melee it. This allows any hero to be able to counter a dive with their parry and puts risk and thought into a dive. Guardian could even kneel for a moment to confirm that it worked
>>557748709He loses more than he wins, upplayer
>>557748181>Windranger E>Storm Spirit Rin fact just add Electroswing from the forums, he seems pretty cool
reposting my apollo buildThere is no data on gun items for him so I just went off the best t2 and t3 for all heros. They both have a skill input which fits nice thematically I think. You can toggle the bloodtrib in-between 3s for a little extra dps and it helps speed up slow hex too. Deathy said people are sleeping on his gun so basically its eternus approved
it's crazy how fast a farmed Gun Grey Talon just shreds people
I like how the facts are completely independent of what people say.>Apollo wins every game he's inThe stats say he wins less than half of the games he's in.
>>557748890shit that no one plays or does:
>>557748181Port Primal Beast 1:1 and make him a terrasque as well.
>>557748890>It's crazy how fast a farmed m1gger just shreds people*ftfy
>>557748518rupture is only balanced because TP scroll existsimagine getting on the zipline and your ass just leaks violently until you die
>>557746509>Vindicta is bottom of the barrel badCan't wait for them to give her +2% weapon damage per assassinate instead of reverting that atrocious change
>>557748890>m1gger shreds people if he gets 40k souls at 25minno shitevery single one of them do
>>557748820that's actually cool, allows for counterplay. You should post it on the forums
>>557748571Every single one of these new faggots, bar Venator maybe, is obnoxious to fight with infuriating ults and abilities.It doesn't help that you see 3/4th of them in every game. I don't want to play the "q the skulls" minigame ever again in my life.
>>557749009>>557749063>>557749101Grey Talon definitely does it faster, safer, and easier since he's above like a bird. Retarded faggots.
>check out deadlock fanart on twitter>half of it is gay>the few straight pieces have people bitching that the characters are gayThese people are being silly, they should stop.
>>557748984>>557748840>seekers analyzing stats againnext you'll tell me shiv is bad because he's low wr
if Celeste is so OP why do i absolutely suck at her? Yet i'm always dominating with Ivy
>>557748984he's a new character that people haven't had the time to master even though everybody will want to try and play him, and there are a lot of new players too. Doesn't mean he's not strong.
Everyone only remembers the times Silver jumps on them in wolf form and deletes them after a chaseNobody remembers all the times they just delete Silver in human form and she doesn't even get to play the game
>>557749261No Shiv is bad because he has a stupid haircut
>>557748840Its an execution diff, if the pilot doesnt fuck up then he is unbeatable, its just higher bar than most
>>557748820can I subscribe to your newsletter?
https://youtu.be/H0pr5gRLaVk?si=Ih9LM7RiJf8ReOqe
>>557748181We need Disruptor's Glimpse.
>>557749156They're literally all retarded W+M1 characters in disguise but do triple the damage of any other character in the gameExcluding venny
>>557749340he canonically puts the most effort into his hair out of anyone. So much so that It even turns Ivy's asexual switch off for an instant
>>557749278Because sustained damage is king in the current meta of long ass matches.
>>557749505>ivy>asexual???
>>557749261>Oh my god Apollo wins every single game he's in, it's decided by who had Apollo!>No, that's not true, he's actually losing more games than he wins across all ranks outside of Initiate and Seeker.>My feelings matter more than your facts, chud! You're a seeker not me.
>>557749490I need a buddy cop cinematic with Vinny and Venny
we need a hero whose gun is literally just the TF2 rocket launcher
>>557748571Never had problems with Silver, Venator or Celeste, the others are way worse to fight
>>557748984Kinda too early to tell for him since he was the most recently added, he feels annoying as fuck when someone competent is playing him that will actually use his 1/2 to get the fuck out of situations that merit it instead of just going all in every time. Like Mina fucking sucks when I'm playing her because I can't aim for shit and never got a good sense of when to use her ult, and I played her for a while and contributed to the stats making her look worse than she really is, there's a lot of that for Apollo currently that muddle conversation about his relative power level.I've got personal opinions about his shit that largely stem from annoyance - not being able to displace him with Venator's shotgun while he's in ANY part of using any abilities for instance is fucking annoying, but not really something that makes him overpowered.
>>557749227It's only getting worse across all fandoms
>>557749610but when pro players say Celeste is broken we're supposed to listen? hm
>>557749185oh you're a seekergod, ignore everyone elses opinions
>>557749610>No, that's not true, he's actually losing more games than he wins across all ranksWe don't know that thoAll the recorded games are done by people who purposely opt in no? It doesn't equate to all games.
Never ask Paige the age of her boyfriend
>>55774922799% of those people would disappear if america is nuked.Sorry americans but most of you guys are mentally ill freaks.
>>557749073>your ass just leaks violently until you diecanonically how Talon died
>>557748820>stun the guardian by punching his ballsgood idea tho tbqh
Are there any guides on replacing a character model with another one in blender?
>>557749801It's not opt in, it's just a portion of total games and enough for a worthwhile sample size.
peak EU hours are fucking unplayable. Can all the normie trash leave already
>>557749801That probably means his w/r is even worse because the type of person to opt in probably leans more skilled
>>557749805Why would I do that when everyone knows she has a gf?
Gun Talon is based.Gun Infernus is based.Spirit nuker builds are gay and lame.
>>557750141true spirit is overdue for a nerf. Bruisers are overdue for a nerf
>>557750121shota vamp's two gf's
>play shooter game>would rather cast spells that are auto targetted or have massive area circleswhy
>keep seeing games where M&K rapes everyone and turns into an instant death radius that the other team has to respect at all times >try playing them myself >feed my ass off, do no damage, can't farm for shit >feel like a total nonentityi don't understand how this character works the gun is fucking terrible and i don't know how i'm supposed to exist in lane when they can just shoot me in the face and win
>>557750121Both exclusively fuck shotas
>>557749821vocal minority. They are desperate for validation because they either know they're wrong or they've always been told they are wrong, so they let it all out on the internet in the hopes other degenerates will approve of them. Normal people don't have a need to do any of that to the same degree
shotafaggotry is blackedfaggotry but for manlets
>>557746509>the 5 characters I play are in each of the 5 tiersthis makes me better than you
>>557750269You are supposed to rush qsr on scorn then heal for 2k
>>557750121I'm not looking forward to the yurifags jumping ship from Mina to Yamato
>>557746304My hero just doesn't exist yet... maybe a few years after full release...
>>557750358whatever happened to her?
Every post on /dlg/ can be classified as either "me unga team bunga" or "sex with Abrams"
>>557748820Guardians are so worthless that I saw an abrams+paige combo diving them at like 4k souls a few minutes in. It doesn't help that they don't seem to shoot behind themselves all that well, if at all.
>>557750338And straightfaggotry is gayfaggotry for heteroidsNow post ABRAMS
>>557750386Don't worry Yamato would have to get a redesign first and we all know that's never happening
abrams this abrams that what about t90
>>557750141dash infernus is peak corny. I wanna shoot people with finger guns.
>>557750407who's your hero?
>>557747581We should definitely balance around winrate in a game where 90% of players don't even know there's a minimap on the bottom right corner
>>557750514Yamato is a genuine cunt to everyone so even with a redesign I wonder how the fuck people will ship her
>>557750681They haven't designed them yet.
>>557748181they should add an item that's rupture but instead of damaging you it reduces your debuff resist to negative values
>>557750705toxic yuri is pretty common
>>557750427she's still around on social mediashe's cosplays less and raves, instead
>>557750476also me nonstop seething about the new heroes
>>557750705Billy is a cunt to everyone and people like him
>>557750705so is mina and i love her
>>557750705You think the internet lacks desperate people with no self-respect and terminal Stockholm syndrome? You do realize there are people who worship Mina, right?
>>557750762what kinda hero do you want?
>>557750907Giant woman.
>>557749026I want him so bad but he'd be so neutered since he'd need to be able to gothrough all the doorways
>>557750907NTA but I think they should add electrowing from the forums >>557748843He's just unfathomably cool like that
>>557750935silver's right there
>>557750121epstein nigga
>>557750705Mina x Yamto toxic abusive relationship duh.
>>557746667Don't kick Rem. Even if you don't like bestiality, it's not his fault that Haze is into it.
when people say a character is "a cunt to everyone" do they mean someone like white mask varré in elden ringor more like someone like vegeta?
They should add a hero that can manipulate gravity. Like he can globally increase gravity for the enemy team, or give a teammate the ability to moonjump etc
>>557750907Abrams but with more than 2 buttons
>>557750705the second they make yamato hot she will have a 70% pick rate like haze and I'll never get to one trick her again
>>557751107it must suck to be called Jeffrey or Epstein right now. Most memes die within a month but this has being going on for over half a decade by now
>>557750991Unironically making a hero who's super big and unable to go through all doorways would be kind of kino but I have no idea how they'd balance it.I guess there's some strength in the size by the fact they'd be able to do things like climb walls faster.
>>557751141Depends on the character? Billy is Vegeta. Geist is White Mask Varré.
>>557751107You know something real unfortunate?The day that came out the jannies decided to actually do their jobs and /u/ was devoid of shitpostingLame niggas
>>557748882Im taking your silence as approval /dlg/
>>557751284ok in this case there is a huge difference because one is being a cunt for malicious reasons while the other one is not
>>557751389I just use the default build on him. It's pretty solid as is.
How fucking long can it take to nerf Celeste ult and Apollo?? What the fuck is this Valve
Am I the only one who thinks Silver is in a good spot right now as a "Buy counter items" tutorial?
>>557751389nobody gives constructive criticism on builds here outside of "too many items, make it L to R for me"
>>557746509This game is in desperate need of cool characters. It's just Seven trying to hard carry in that department
>>557750874Billy is also "Row Row Fight the Power".
>>557751581how do you even have the space to counter build when she needs so many items to go online
>>557751446Yeah, Billy is mostly just an angry wanker, while Geist is basically a vampire that is slowly getting cornered by fate.
>>557750476This is a me unga post btw
>>557751657no like against her
>>557751317Jeff is a janny on /u/. Man has his principles straight he will allow his precious yuri to be sullied.
>>557751451How is radiant regen? Seemed kind of forced but I never tried it
>>557750935Just wait for the alice in wonderland rep.
>>557751630I know right? the game needs a byronic vigilante who runs fast and dehumanizes criminals like >>557748843 for example. That'd be cool
>>557749278what makes celeste op is how strong she is with good movement which pretty much no one outside of at least ascendant will be able to utilize
>>557751732Ah that's fair, yeah she's a good example of countering a hero with items>Anti heal>CC>Disarm>Curse>Bullet Resist
>>557751863Her ult is absolutely busted in low ranks.
>>557750269Mo isn't a character until 2.4k which is when you have t2 scorn, QSR and mystic burst
>>557749286This is why his winrate is deflatedAnyone with a brain can see the insane range and hitbox of his 3 and know he's strong
wtf am I supposed to do on Venetor. I've got almost 60 games on him and I still don't under how you're supposed to actually contribute. Gutshot is extremely unreliable, especially with all the janky physics that will just cuck you out of a stun. His M1 is good, but not as good as a real gun carry like Warden or Wraith. The grenade build is the only one that feels decent but I just get outscaled. Pls help, he is so cool but I keep feeling like I should just play Seven and autowin by farming and pressing 4.
>>557751279I'd be okay with it as long as they changed Roshan pit to allow mega hitboxes inside.
>>557749821>Sorry americans but most of you guys are mentally ill freaks.no, you just live on the internet and have no frame of reference for the real world.
>>557751581Get rid of the damage falloff buff from her latest set of changes and give her slightly higher point blank gun damage instead
>>557751984Ill take your word for it
>>557751984lich's ult was absolutely busted in pro dota games because there were like 500 different ways to bunch up players or to incentivize not splitting apart from each other
Apollo completely killed all the hype of this update for meI have played 6 games since he dropped and every one of them has been a nightmare because of this actual terrorist, it is impossible to lose if he is on your team with 100% accuracy so far in my gamesWhichever team has the "roll face on keyboard for infinite damage, damage blocking, and CC" hero wins
>>557752165Inhibitor
>>557752250>Enemy team has Apollo/CelesteI WANT IT TO STOPPLEASE YOSHI GODSTOPPPPPPIf we don't get bans for them in a week im quitting until we do.
>>557752210Shut up, bitch.
>>557752165they rushed him outgrenade is cool but feels very underwhelmingthe traps are basically a placeholder skillthe only cool things about him are his ult and his shotgunthey need to replace his 3 ASAP his gameplay design is so fucking weak compared to the other 5 that came out
>>557752412kek
>>557749185>safe, since you're slowly floating in the airlmfao
>>557752250Same. Celeste tanked it and Apollo completely killed it. I loved watching him run around every game deep in our/enemy jungle 1v3ing even if it's not fed
>>557748984>>557749261Apollo has worse and worse win rates the higher up in elo you go
>>557748984People don't fucking understand how to play against him. He will fold to any kind of focus fire. Just track his movement and hit him with big bursts, force him to use counter on less strong moves.
As a vindicta, what are you supposed to actually do against a grey talon in lane? I always feel so helpless and no one ever wants to swap lanes because laning against grey talon fucking blows
>>557749227Speaking of, is there a place where all the fanart is kept?I absolutely despise twitter's layout for browsing media and I'm never verifying my age there.
>>557746509niggas really will insist bebop is the worst hero in the game for no reason
>>557752482I had an Apollo with 0 purple items just shitting out damage, it was insanewhoops 60% bullet resist during your re-castable nuke!whoops you execute the whole team!
>>557752250>it is impossible to lose if he is on your team with 100% accuracy so far in my gamesmeanwhile the apollos in my team
>>557752534>Just track his movementwhich is impossible to do because his 3 is omnidirectional
>>557752440>they rushed him out???? He was done in November they worked on him the longest
>>557752534there isnt a single character in the game that doesnt fold to focus fire btw, literal nothingburger counterplay advice
>win rates dont matter!>but my anecdotal experience does!Why are they like this?
>>557752683it's similar to advice lolbabs like to give>well the way to counter x character is chain ccas if that didn't work on everyone
>>557752165Why does venator need full points in 1 just to let it be chargeable? shouldn't it at least give a charge or two
>>557749134I in fact did, just sharing the idea here.>>557750490Yeah, I hate how Guardians and even fucking Walkers are worthless against players. Completely ignoring them in every scenario. Parry just makes them even more pathetic. Valve doesn't seem to want to add any risk or depth to towers in the slightest.
>>557752323I build that most games. Should I be rushing it each time? It just feels like all he's really good for is catching flankers.>>557752440Yeah I agree. I always feel tempted to build about a shotgun and melee build, but he just doesn't have the health pool. Plus that tanks your gun damage.
>>557752534>He will fold to any kind of focus fireRetarded advice and hilariously not even true because he can just parry and then silence your entire team in a 10 mile radius
>>557748984his cds are too short, he's too mobile and too hard to kill. If knockdown can literally nuke Vindicta's entire playstyle, the same items should be just as strong for something like apollo, but they just flatly aren't.>muh winratesThe game is too young and has too many new players for that to really matter. If winrates are the only thing that count, then Shiv has been dramatically overnerfed several patches in a row and needs all of those changes reverted ASAP.
>>557752568Whenever I go against characters that you can't look at without taking 400 damage, I always rush alch fire and supressor or healbane, I only push wave and show my face to the enemy to roast their ass every 30 or so secs.
>>557752683Should have warded his jungle
>>557752705>your win rate data: some nigga in seeker that doesnt know what an active is>my anecdote experience: some nigga with 2k hours folding me like a chair in eternus
>>557752105Speaking of range ive been watching the greater expansion stats fall off a cliff the last few days.
>>557752787>Why does venator need full points in 1 just to let it be chargeable?Well we wouldn't want free pure damage would we. That might be broken. >meanwhile Apollo
>>557751581Give her one more stamina, maybe revert damage falloff, then she's perfect.
>>557752837> If winrates are the only thing that count, then Shiv has been dramatically overnerfed several patches in a rowHe has. Idgaf what night shift niggers are up to, shiv is unplayable in solo queue
>>557751846It's sort of a background-item, but seems to have pretty decent effect. The movement speed boost after doing your combo is pretty good too.
>>557753035his namesake is fucking worthless now, barely does any damage even if they have 0 spirit resist
>>557753104the purpose of knives was always to build rage btw
i'm a graves main in emissary 2
>>557753035He's still good. You're literally just garbage, that's all it is.
did you guys see that cheshire cat hero on the test server that can take allies into the jew tunnels
I was eternity in rivals (I know its basically a party game) but my monkey brain can barely stay in archon because I cant stop rotating to save my other monkey brain teammates from bad fights for 40 minutes.
>>557753158I don't care about their purpose, I want to throw funny knives at people and watch them bleedif Apollo can be insanely tanky and still shit out rape damage while basically having an aoe shiv ulti THAT CURSES on a tiny cdI'm gonna say itApollo is stronger than release Shiv.
>>557753102I dont get it...
I'm seeker 3 and I don't know how to increase my rank even though I always stomp
>>557753198Ah ye the hero with 44% win rate is good for sure
>>557752705Yeah, buff shiv.
>>557753247this may be the most retarded take Ive ever read here so thank you for reintroducing whimsy to my life, I can still be surprised and life may be worth living after all
>>557753214>saving people who get caught doing stupid shit or fighting over nothing of valuelearn to let them die and farm. simple as.
>>557752705apollo makes every single game he's in un fun, i dont give a fuck about balance or hecking statistics I want to enjoy the videogame and apollo makes that harder to do, end of story
300 hours in the game btw
>bebop grabs me>he puts 2 bombs at the same time on meHow did he do that?
>>557753247Apollo is a WORSE shiv The only time he is a better shiv is minute 1-8 or so. After that he falls off exponentially. By minute 20 he’s worthless against any m1gger
>>557753365welldon't appreciate you calling me retarded but the whimsy part is good at least, hope your day goes well
>>557752165I dont have nearly as many games as you and these matches are in pisslow (oracle) but im having fun going grenade build. Teamfights im basically standing in the back and throwing grenades and ulting. Gutshot only matters if someone jumps you. Traps kinda cover flanks for me.
Isn't the built in slowdown on Apollo's ult ridiculously busted for setting up CC?
>still no skirt versionI crey.
>>557753417we just dont know, maybe a hack of some sort?
>>557753417>Echo shard, my personal favorite!
will we ever get a true melee hero without a gun or ranged base attack??
why do i keep seeing bebops buy pure spiritjust go fucking green items and buy witchmail why are you like this do you enjoy losing holy shit
>>557753171She was released recently what is this bs. You need at least 1000 games on her. You're not a Graves main
>>557753171>graves main is a pedophileshocker
>>557753457your opinion might be bad, but youre good people
>>557753213I saw that they're adding electroswing into the game finally and that's pretty based
>>557753214Play supportcuck ivy and buy rescue beam if you like tard-wrangling. I got Eternus before Eternus was a thing while doing this.
>>557752165I've been running him as a nade spammer.Rapid Recharge, Recharging Rush, Spellflinger, and Ballistic Enhancement. Are a core part of the build and I've been doing pretty well.
>>557753562Abrams is functionally melee>no but i mean purely melee i mea-Abrams is functionally melee.
Am I crazy or was that area on Yellow Lane from Arch Mother's side next to the Guardian on the left got redesigned? I don't remember that area ever looking like a locker room.
>>557753562icefraud doesn't have the balls
>>557753247his ult doesnt curse btw. you would know this if you played the game
>>557753562Probably eventually, but they'll be very poorly balanced.
>>557753482is there more
>>557752323That falls into the camp of "other m1s do it better"His schtick is killing tanks but this is an off carry functionality and it kind of plays into the enemy strengths. Basically should be a counter pick if the enemy gets better frontline
venator traps were not made for a 3d third person game
>>557753461I am also pisslow. I guess I just feel like lobbing nades and ulting doesn't really contribute anything. I feel extremely low agency on him.
>>557753562No because >>557753685 , Shiv/Bebop/Yamato/Apollo should all be melee but they aren't. Maybe he will change his mind but I doubt it.
>>557753562If Apollo wasn't fully melee, I don't think any character ever will unless they completely rework the game from ground up.
>>557750476But what if... sex with Lash?
>>557753681it was updated around when Apollo came out. They've also been sneaking in minor touch ups and additions all over the map.
Should I give up on trying to get good with Shiv? I've been trying to be a carry on him but only get assists and have to run away every fight. I got his shotgun movement down though when sliding. Is he meant to be hard to play or was he just over nerfed?
>>557753562How would a true melee hero actually lane? They need some method to hurt creeps/secure souls without being on top of them.
honestly the only thing I find obnoxious about apollo is that for the "ultra-determined, precision-based fencer" trope, he's ironically extremely forgiving and easy to play while requiring next to no precision by the player. I get that not every hero needs to be obscenely punishing at a micro level but you'd think they'd go all out and make him legitimately difficult to execute on.
>>557748612>have to lower every setting down to the floor and the game still wheezes a death rattle at 25 fps during fights, 40 when I'm roaming.That's exactly the way Gopniks love to play.
>>557753856just give him some auto lane/support shit like the rem minions
>>557751279I mean Primal Beast does more damage to objectives so sure you can get him off your ass by going into a tunnel but he'd just kill your walker in a nanosecond if you don't address the elephant in the room.
>>557753856simple, 0 cooldown aoe ability that auto aim shoots everything in its radius
>>557753678>>557753685>>557753702>>557753710>>557753732You're not a gamedev please shut up
>>557753717There is nothing tank killing about venator. Pure damage is only good if its a lot of pure damage, which his grenade is not and his ult no longer is
How would one make a stealth melee build as Drifter considering his E teleports you behind and his ult blinds everyone. Most of his damage is just on hit effects like Infernus and Vyper.
>>557753710I only took two screenshots if that's what you're asking. If you mean the mod versions yeah there's a pantieless version, panty version, and a gay version.
>>557753883He's harder to play against than he is to play, it kinda sucks.
>>557753035A third of the cast is unplayable in solo queue
>>557753882he was blaming us for farming instead of pushing btw
>>557753562>develop game with x consistent trait across a variety of roles/characters >eventually begin to run out of ideas and begin adding things that fundamentally break out of that original consistent baselines, usually by adding something quite strong for said new role/character to counterbalance their lack of a core trait>game balance now becomes an absolute nightmare as time passesNo. It's a recipe for failure in literally every game like this, it happens every single time.
>>557753950FIX THE GAME
>>557753996>a gay version>Mina with a small cute dick under "her" skirtAlright, you've got my attention.
>>557754106highest impact m1gger
>yamato keeps typing "this team" or "stop feeding" in chat>ask her to start shotcalling instead of complaining>stops typing until we loseWhat's the point of trash talk if you can't even perform better or actually carry your team to victory?
>>557753979Yeah he better against low hp targets because Pure damage and squishy people usually rely on lifesteal or some other kind of healing to stay alive which your grenade cucks.
>>557754127just do it, pussy
>eternus 2 game playing punch viscous>can tell the enemy team wants comeback urn REALLY bad when we're 30k up>make it my mission to be an obnoxious motherfucker and deny them urn and nothing else>the guy trying to grab urn starts seething in all chat and it erupts into a full blown team pvp argumentimagine a silly green guy making you melt down this hard
What does 4.8k mean?
>>557753979The pure damage also has a 50% antiheal, hes a tankbuster. There is also a power budget calculation that valve did when adding the pure damage, 100% they sacrificed base damage for the effect so he is shittier at killing non tanks out of the box
>>557753379this picrel is me, everyone likes deathballing into 6v6 teamfights it feels like a catch 22 if I dont participate in archon. >>557753639I remember the days before ranks were even a thing, unfortunately even if I got 40-50 saves a game with the tard wrangling beam it wouldnt be enough. I think I have to just use teammates as pawns as I invade and eat the whole map, low Archon and high Emissary is a fucking mess right now.
graves silver and apollo are clearly the coolest characters but only maining the latest characters is cringe so i choose to not play any of them until some other characters come out
>>557754254that is a valid crashout tho if abrams is farming jungle in eternus instead of helping deliver urn hes a certified retard
>>557754169this mina still loses to hung shota vamp brats
>>557753647That's basically the build I use, just with an Inhibitor thrown in there. Just feels like every other carry can do more. He really feels like an off-carry roamer, but doesn't have the innate mobility.
>>557753365seeing that guy on the forums cracks me up, I don't know why. I think it's the doorman avatar.
how does victor get away with farming in higher elos, i dont get it
>>557754320at 4.8k investment of any category you get a significant boost in the relevant stat. check the bottom left bars
Consider the following scenario:>team is solid mechanically and better than the enemy at clicking heads but absolutely retarded at decision-making>one guy with a mic rises up to the challenge and decides to tard wrangle, barking orders with utmost confidence>he's the biggest macro retard of them allWhat's the winning play here?
>shrink ray bebopOkay, that was the funniest shit ever
>>557754320
>>557754210>better at killing low hp because pure damage ....its the opposite, squishy dont have resists to avoid
>>557747062Not a bug, look at the wall stun range stat
>>557754345Any m1gger character gets anti heal eventually and their kits deal more raw DPS for example id say haze is a legitimate tankbuster with fixation. Venator is just a shitty wraith.
>>557753983>stealth melee build as DrifterI read this and immediately started giggling irl thinking of the webm
>>557754557>shrink raywhenever this item shows up it's time to just give up and laugh, I think the only time I've won when anyone on the enemy team got that was a GT who didn't realize he could cast it on other people, so it was just a miniature flying old man
>>557754546Commit to following the retard's calls. If your team is mechanically better, even the most dogshit calls can be forced.
Graves is jewish???
>>557752705>muh winrates... yoshi needs to listen to the players that don't know what antiheal is
>>557754557>got seraphim wings as bebop once>friend got shrink ray >just a mosquito floating around and putting bombs everywhereshrink ray is the funniest shit ever and I still want to see a shrink ray vs shrink ray round. Feels impossible though you get every other legendary multiple times but shrink ray I feel like is limited to one per match somehow.
>>557754205Soothing your own ego.
>>557754818She's in a private school what do you think
Let’s see what this dick can do
>>557754604He's better at killing squishies because of the anti-heal. The pure damage numbers are so low it might as well be resisted anyway
>>557754964mina....
>All my deaths as Shiv has mainly been due to bloodlettingWhy this guy's heal barely work?
>>557754254reasonable crashoutmost of you would be the abrams in this scenario
>>557754652Hes a shitty m1 for sure we agree on that, because the m1 have to kill everyone and he is geared to kill tanks. Just try to think of it in terms of ehp, if he does 1k dmg against a guy with 50% resist, its like he did 2k dmg. It wont show up on the stat screen like this but its pretty straightforward why hes a tankbuster i think
>>557754906They should put healbane into leech again so that everyone has leech no matter what character again.>>557754604Squishies have a healthbar of like 2-3k meanwhile the fed abrams and mo has a healthbar of 5-6k I wonder who's going to die first to the 300 damage pure damage grenade.
SOFTENING EM UP
guess we're gonna need to buff Mina
>>557754818>>557754960american taxes are paying that by the way
>>557754818>two defense attorneys for parents>private school in NYCReally? This surprises you?
>>557754818My nose looks like this...
>>557755191I am not American and don't know what New york is.
>>557754546You either counter-order but LOUDER or you fall in line. Keep your arguments clear and concise. If you can convince me in 5 seconds I will make my discord stack fall in line behind you.
>>557755332I'm american and I don't really know either.gas jews
>>557755091He isnt geared to kill tanks. His pure damage is too small to be a tank killer. A tank killer either needs a large proportion of their damage to have resist shred or they need % health damage like tankbuster or ramping damage like fixationVenators grenade deals maybe 10% of a tanks HP in the endgame. The rest of the 90% you need to use your shitty gun or your now shitty ultimate
>>557755332
>>557755332its a city. when you play deadlock, it's the exact location that you are playing in!
>>557753996>panty versionWhat mod is it?
>>557755470He's an m1 brawler hybrid
>>557755625Yes a shitty wraith
They have to nerf apollo they overbuffed him. Literally revert him back to his release state and he is fine.
>>557755625>m1 brawler hybridSo he's an m1 without the damage or a brawler without the tankiness. Yeah that sounds about right.
>>557753562This is what Calico should've been + Yoruichi but instead she's whatever the fuck black woman she is currently.
How do I stop feeding my ass off in laneI swear to christ everyone does so much fucking damage if I peek for a microsecond
>>557755807Stop standing in the middle of nowhere nigga
>>557755170better nerf Paradox.
>>557755807as whom?
>>557755946As everyoneEveryone who lanes against me gets a killing spree
>>557754546if youre better at macro than him, you should have spoke up earlier if you wanted to win enough to criticize, if you arent, follow him because 6 retards doing the same thing is better than not
>>557755482except Harlem isnt spanish, its full of niggers.
>>557755807Shoot the troopers so you have wave priority. The enemy doesn't get to shoot you if they are busy shooting troopers.
>>557756086people frequently underestimate how much the troopers can fuck you up, especially early game.
>AIIIIIEEEEEE YOU MUST GO HYBRID damage for your comp>buys scourge, toxic, and ee lategame to rape>or full gun team just adopts curses and even gets armor piercing rounds>win more with one sided dmgis there no greater meme? It’s just a matchmaking diff if it mattered
How long until Silver, Apollo, and Celeste are actually balanced?
Celeste nerfs-reduced horsecock size from 23cm to 22.5cm
>>557756271They should remove spirit damage gun items. Mercurial/QSR/toxic bullets all need to go
>>557756409is mercurial good on graves?
>>557756051Spanish Harlem is a real place retard
>>557756409>toxic bulletsdecaying victor fingers typed this post
>>557756372Finally I can play her without feeling bad
>>5577563171hr20m
>Get a mina in my lane>Have gooner mods so I get some nice eye candy for the first 10~ minutes and don't get tiltedLiterally nothing better bros
>>557756409with tanktard meta, the spirit scaling on toxic bullets should actually be buffed unironically >>557756528her base gun dps is one of the worst so no unless you have fire rate and spirit dmg amp
>>557756372why do people keep posting this. is it a twitter trans meme or??
>>557756617Prove it.
>>557754546god that reminds me of a dota game, back when roshan was in topside river>guys we need to go smoke into radiant side jungle and take all the farm>but then they're going to take roshan, it's much better to try getting a pick or vision first, especially in their triangle next to roshan>dude trust me>we all go in radiant jungle>nobody there because they obviously saw us coming/didn't see any of us on the map thus played safe>say they're probably at roshan right now>get ignored and they start farming camps>Roshan has fallen to the Radiant!
>>557755470We agree that hes shitty but pure dmg is 100% for tank killing, this not really a debatable thing imo. You can say he sucks at killing tanks, fine but resist bypass has a very obvious purposeIt feels like im being trolled 2bh because brute forcing a tank kill with a better m1 doesnt mean they are tank killers or that he isnt, its quite clearly part of his identity since he has 3 pure damage sources that... bypass resists
I hope Warden keeps some form of anti-Patron, anti-occult aesthetics as part of who he is. Maybe he could be like an actual anti-spirit hero.
>>557756561The issue isnt the % damage itself its that its spirit. M1 character should deal gun damagr. Splitting their damage up to spirit and gun is unfair and boring
>playing Silver>enemy is a team of mobility heroes and CC heroesThe fuck am I supposed to do about this? I get stunned into oblivion and they fucking dodge my bite
>>557756896You are the one trollingYou are giving me these theoretical for why venator is a tank killer and im giving you the straight practical reality that he isntI can see why when he was released the intuition was that he’s a tank killer but after the nerfs to his ult and having played him for a while now he just doesnt scare tankd. Im much more afraid of a wraith or haze as a tank than a venator
what's the source on this from the last thread
>>557757453my camera
>really like playing Rem>also really want to increase my rank>Rem is very strong but cannot carry on his ownthis sucks man
Hag Sex.They should make her boolet smaller it feels massive after playing Holiday for a bit
>>557757651no they should just make holliday's gun not feel awful
>>557757279I had to face against this a few days ago and it made me quit Silver. Yes she sucks against CC... but you know what sucks against EVEN MORE??? fighting against a mobile comp and watching everyone fuck off to narnia in your ult form. I'm never catching a pocket. I'm never catching a celeste. I'm never catching a apollo. I'm never catching a lash. I'm never catching a mina. Shit like this is why a true melee hero would be impossible unless you gave him the most busted, overloaded kit possible (teleport with charges, unstoppable etc)
What does this mean?
>>557757735idk what they could even do that isn't gay like make the proj larger.
>>557757778spectators
>>557757778don't look behind
https://files.catbox.moe/20rl0r.mp4
>>557756896>he fell for the pure damage memeThe pure damage is about the same as Janitor's salary. Its not going to kill tanks just because it cant be resisted.
When are they fixing Holliday's face?
>>557757749>he doesn’t buy slowing hex, so he can hex them into a bola and rape them in human formshe literally counters the spirit nuker rats
>>557757848Risky click of the day.amusing
>>557757848should be debriefing
>>557757749Slowing hex has become a core item for me because of this.
>>557757848kek
silverfag tears sustain me
>>557752802I think the game would be a lot better if it went Guardian - > 2 base towers - > WalkerWalkers are way too easy to just suicide rush into and kill with broken heroes like Graves and Haze, and they don't even push waves back anywhere near as well as the base towers do. They're a bad objective for how important they are, most teams I have seen are willing to throw away 3+ deaths for one walker kill because an extra item slot is that good.
>>557757914What's wrong with it? She's a decent Tomboy.
Mina is so boring to play. If she wasn't a cute girl, no one would play her.
>>557754205I had an enemy Bebop player trash talking all game while having the worst score on his entire team, all because he managed to get like two kills in lane and steal one Sinners Sacrifice, it was really funny when we just raped his entire team afterwards.
I legit like fighting Apollo because it taught me how important counters are. He becomes alot easier to deal and cuck with stuff like silence, knockdown or late game, curse.
LET'S SEE WHO'S STILL STANDIN
>>557757829>>557757735perhaps slight 3 rework? I was thinking of posting a rework suggestion for holliday's passive. maybe as a lvl3 upgrade if she dumps a clip the the velocity increases and final bullet does bonus damage or something
>>557758516>silence/slowing hex/curse him>he just dash jumps away for 3 seconds
>>557758156Yeah, but retards aren't willing to push a god damn free lane to TAKE a walker and instead either disappear into the jungle or travel all the way to an already dying walker just to die themselves.
>>557758621I understand wrangling tards is hard, but it doesn't excuse M1ggers or Graves being able to kill a walker in like 30 seconds.
>>557758789where do her fresh clothes come from when she changes back?
>>557757347I think you are retarded, we agree that hes shitty, but he is not a "theoretical" tank killer, he is an actual one. Beyond the pure damage, he has antiheal(for tank killing) a knockback(for peeling the tank off his teammate), his trap has a dmg amp when maxed which ill admit is not strictly for tank killing but definitely doesnt go against itIm convinced your trolling now so this ill be the last reply. Valve didnt have some hidden other role in mind when making him, its obvious what his purpose is even if he sucks at it
Personally I feel like the base guardians are too fragile/ineffectiveWalkers are actually dangerous but base guardians are a mild deterrent at worst, the base as a whole is barely advantageous
>Finally figured out how Seven works (12 kill streak)
A cowboy hero should have a ricocheting bullet ability for leet trickshots.
>>557758947good for you my little frog
>>557753562We need a hero with visible uncensored panties in this game.
>its obvious venator is a designed tank killer even though any other m1 hero obliterates tanks way faster than him>you’re trollingK
>>557759082simple truth
>>557759082I was trying to ask yoshi for it but they called security on me wtf
>>557757453Random anon's AI
>>557759116intention =/= result
>>557758942Walkers are only dangerous if you stand in the fire or if paradox/lash throws you into the stun zone.
>>557757554find a duo that plays carries
I KEEP FORGETTING HOW MUCH THIS STINKS
>>557757914Her face is fineHer kit however...
>>557758942yeah when I look at the current state of the game I think, how can we make these games take even fucking longer
>>557759438Are you fingering you butthole
>>557759354>Am I out of touch?>No, Icefrog designed Venator wrong
Vyper's are either useless pylons or utter monsters, no inbetween
>>557759514I'd love to talk with you in a voice chatthere's no way you're genuinely this stupid
>>557758162game would be 10x better if holliday was a shota cowboy
OH GOD NOT AGA- AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo
>>557759189you should've brought a gun
>>557759796This is the power of geist players if they stop jacking off for a single second...
>>557759796
>want to play Celeste>don't have the shmovementback to the mokrill mines for me
>>557759796this nigga wrote this paragraph mere minutes after losing a 55 minute game in alchemist btw
How are there people in PHANTOM calling Graves "broken"? I thought only seekers and initiates are still crying about her being strong.
Bruh I'm such a dogshit Mina. Warden and Vindicta are the only heroes I can do okay-ish with, but Mina is so much more fun, gonna keep throwing
>>557759790wolf voice: hello my dear
how do you play venator? get 3 crossbow shots every 2 minutes and go afk while you wait?
>>557760262start up the game and then alt tab and cry in dlg that he isn't wraith or haze
>>557760128I want all players who play or have ever thought about playing mo and krill to read this:mo and krill is the golden handcuffs pick, you will win games you absolutely should not, climb to ranks you dont belong, but this will be your prison, you will lack the skill to compete on any other character and you will suffer as a consequence of your hubris
>>557760262that was meta 1 week ago now you grenademax
>>557760262shove grenades up their asshole until they can remember the form and texture of your grenades
>>557760262You kill tanks
Is Geist a fucking cannibal?
Am I in initiate because I suck or am I in initiate because I wanna play supports
>>557760350>mo and krill is the golden handcuffs picI would say thats more victorI cannot aim for shit but have like a 68% winrate on him. I am not good at the game. Nor is he that good either.People just refuse to buy inhibitor/curse.
Why is Gun Geist a thing?
>>557760605long gun
saw a building irl and thought of jump padding to air dash alongside it and walljumpit's over
>>557759435DUOS ARE CHEATING
>>557760174>GravesShe is kind of broken in retarded ways still.>The skulls are blocking a lot of random high cd things and elevating at weird angles making them worse to clear>Can echo shard the 2 to make any fight in an area not possible for the enemy>Can ultmax and just have the zombies walk around and get value without thinkingWhile she isn't turbokilling people anymore she does a lot of bad things.
what does high relative to skill rating even mean...
>>557760605Why is it kinda hot to see her covered in blood?
>>5577606053 things that come together to make it retarded>her gun objectively is good, Im not talking about damage necessarily, but a combination of all its properties when you fire it, velocity, accuracy, mag size, fire rate, its all fantastic>amp built into her kit>her unique ability to abuse items, spellslinger is self evident, she chucks spells better than any other hero, radiant regen completely negates the damage done to the character by using those abilities, and finally berserker has permanent uptime on stacks because of the self damage
>Play in the morning>Win majority of my games>Play late at night>Lose all my gamesI don't get it.
How do I counterplay Lash ult
If Graves gets to have zombies then McGinnis should have walking turrets
>>557760845you're better at them compared to your crayon chewing brethren
>>557760845Yoshi thinks you deserve a higher rank when you play Graves.
>>557760926Take cover inside buildings while he's in the air.Don't force bad teamfights out in the open when he has ult
>>557760926Knockdown, Counterspell or Unstoppable.
>>557760984>>557760997i feel pretty comfortable in emissary thougheverbeit... but alright i'll take it
>>557761051When do you Counterspell it?
>>557760926DING DINGYOURE MINEBWAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>557761148When this symbol appears above your head.
who the FUCK builds a venator like this?
>>557760361>>557760395what build. last time I tried that, I just tickled everyone>>557760447nobody plays tanks lmao
>>557760913Beyond just getting less retards, you have the golden hour(roughly 2 hours after you wake up) it is when your brain works the best(you should always schedule important tests/interviews during this time if possible)
>>557760525Yeah, Victor is a free ticket from seeker to oracle, the downside is that 95% of your games will be the exact same thingAt least MnK kinda depends on your teammates to follow up on your kills, Victor can 1v6 even if your teammates are braindead
>>557761263>The bad char minimum viability melee build with cdr attached to it.Someone who has no faith in him
>>557760262Play him like a single target punish until you max his ult (at which point you can be a team fight cleaner).Remember that his ult pierces multiple enemies. The closer quarters and tighter spots you fight in the more punishing your attacks are.
>>557761263Gutshotmaxxers
>>557758162If Holliday was released today, she would look like pic related
>>557761256Thanks, just what I needed to know
>>557761263Its a gutshot oneshot build, basically you gutshot stun heavy melee then echoshard and do it againDisclaimer, it does not actually one shot
>>557761263people are trying to make this character because his design his cool. that's why. I also considered some punch build because everything he has is just mediocre. gutshot seems to want you to do something like this with the final level up. I presume he did nothing all game but go in melee and die. Correct?
>>557761480Sovlless
why do retards still think venator is bad
>>557761350for me it's waking up, immediately chugging the strongest brew of coffee i possibly have and feeling amazing for 7 hours playing deadlock then shutting down
Doorman just feels so shit right now. I like playing him because you can be annoying and go for flashy plays but the character just deals no damage and requires so much effort to accomplish anything. I miss Gunman, was honestly the most functional he ever felt
>>557757651Lady Geist is such an interesting character. I either see some retard shit out one trillion player damage with a trolling spirit build and then lose the game or I see a gun geist that has the slightest clue of what she's doing and is the sole reason you win.I've never seen an okay Geist she's always 0 or 100.
>>557761525make this character work *
>>557757453>not a filename from hereBro really reposting his AI slop and then pretending to be another anon. Pathetic samefagging
>>557761525He’s the least cool hero. He’s just some mediocre white guy
>>557761567low ranks probably
>>557761567We're still trying to force round pegs into tankbuster shaped holes. Please understand.
>enemy team has Graves, Rem, Celeste and ApolloAIEEEEEE SAVE ME DINOSAURMAN
REMINDER
>>557761750t. touristDeadlock has always been for everyone
>>557756648It's honestly great for stopping the tilt
>>557761510Actually, never mind, I just remembered that that symbol is for when you are already grabbed. You need to parry when you see the tether. Just pray that he doesn't hold the ult too long.https://youtu.be/85L4FZUHEsU?t=78
>>557761750trvke
>>557761840Especially the chuds
Where is all this "venator is le bad" nonsense coming from? Top carry players in the world keep him on their roster and shred teams with him lmao maybe you should acquire skill
>>557761750I'm bisexual but I call people slurs in voice chat.
>>557761750deadlock is what you get when you have a hazbin hotel/undertale lgbt playerbase intermixed with a chud /pol/tard twitch zoomer adderall crowd + valve f2p game
>win a 1v1 against Apollo as Yamato Obaa-san still got it
>>557761750>Doesn't want bigots>acts extremely bigoted towards chudsWhy must they persecute us so?
>>557760490No
>>557761980>tfw racist supremacist chud BUT I rly like Hazbin
>>557761659ywnbaw
>people are scripting the air dashesWell it was fun while it lasted boys, time to pack it up
How would you guys fix Mirage?
>>557762143proofs?
>>557746509>VegasThis retard plays with shroud.
>>557762165More yelling
>>557761946The dirty truth about it is people don't know how to use his snap trap effectively and disregard it as a skill. Just kicking them around randomly whenever it's off cooldown. So people who pick him up and don't try to be more than 1% Tactical don't play him effectively and write him off as a flawed character or a bad character
>>557762165>Fix MirageHe is actually pretty strong just not very interesting, I guess you could give him a turban if you want more people to play him.
>>557761750these niggas finna make me start calling people niggers in game unprovoked now
>>557762110>taking the bait
>get match of 6 americans in ascendant all with mics>everyone goofing around and having a great time whether we're winning or making mistakes, but end up winningThe worst part is knowing that was a 1 in a million
>>557762185> proofleft as an exercise for the reader
>>557761480>her right hand is her holster hand>her holster hand is covered by her oversized sleeve>asymmetrical jacket>pants falling apart>feminine guy Spyro reboot face
>>557762261His kit feels totally random. Nothing synergizes even a little bit.
>>557762104I legitimately enjoy the music but Lute is right and lesbian relationships are vile blasphemies.
>>557762165Make scarabs the kunkka slash and make mark build faster on headshot
>>557762104>no seraphim hero
>>557762143>scripting the air dasheswhat air dashes are we even talking about
>>557761567no, you state the case for why he's good. He basically has the kit of a release character when all the new characters are feature-creeped up the ass. his only good move is the crossbow, it got nerfed and has 140 seconds cooldown. gutshot is ass (why are you allowed to get stunned and still have time to get a counter in before he heavy punches you?), grenade does very little, pretty much irrelevant damage unless you specifically build for it (then you're a third-rate mystic with one good ability), trap is again just a whatever move, if people step into it like retards they get snared and stand there. apollo could step into 3 consecutive traps and you still wouldn't escape.All the recently added characters have had crazy shit. The guy who designed venator was like "we can't have this character have power creep", all the other ones went "lmao let's make the craziest shit ever". Venator isn't unplayable but I can't see any specific reason you'd want to play him over any other character. There's nothing that makes or breaks the character, he just has 3 totally average and reasonable abilities, this character would have been fine with the release roster, but that's just not what the game is anymore.
>>557762286this used to be extremely common
>>5577622861355 hours and I've had maybe 8 or so teams in total that were actually great to play with.
Any game where you have to bind your fucking dash to scroll wheel to move optimally is fundamentally broken
>>557762369>adding kunkka's retarded free lane win ability to deadlockno thank you unless the radius is extremely small
>>557762332valve artist...
>>557762332>>pants falling apartwhat>>feminine guy Spyro reboot faceyou've been watching too much femboy porn
>>557762345> lesbian relationships are vile blasphemiesThey know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_in_lesbian_relationships
>>557762389That's what I'm sayingThere's a devil inspired factionNow there should be a angel inspired one as in the beings which inspired angels just like how ixians did demons etcThey ought to be self righteous, super powerful, and enforce their own stringent code while being somewhat benevolent
>>557762407https://x.com/Eidorian510/status/2023197771126485404I assume they're referring to this
>>557762286i can't imagine anything worse than having horrible americans that think they're funny constantly talking in vc
best music to listen to while playing deadlock?
>>557762463I have dash on capslock and my crouch and jump keybinds are default.
>>557762410>his only good move is the crossbow>grenade does very little, pretty much irrelevant damage unless you specifically build for itYou are such a fucking retard lmao. You buy one item, Rapid Recharge, and your grenade fucking destroys people. And I fucking suck it'd be much higher if I could aim worth a shit and didn't miss 70% of my grenades.
>>557762463>bind your fucking dash to scroll wheelOracle detectedYou have to bind it to M4
>>557748181>spirit breaker melee bashYOSHI FROG HIRE THIS MAN
>>557762332if holliday released today her lasso would be a point and click, barrel would follow her cursor and crackshoot would work on bodiesoh and jump pad starts with 3 charges
>>557762614Can't wait for them to butcher movement so the """pro""" players can fuck off
>>557762614btw that zip bug is almost exclusively being abused on the EU server, likely because its 99% russians
>>557748634Doorman is actually pretty mediocre across the board right now. I play alot of him and it feels like the rest of the roster achieves what he can with less input. People slapped him in sss tier when he was released because he has displacement but it's actually pretty easy to play around. Plus in pubs when you ult someone its still a pretty much a coin toss if it just fucks everything up. Best place for it without good team mates is to save your ass when being chased. The door placement is actually pretty terrible and frustrating and I have like 600 games on him. It's so buggy and unreliable. Props and wall textures break it and same if your character model is in the way, they should make it so your toes don't cuck you out of your door.
>>557762335He along with holliday feel off because they were valve testing characters people begged into the game.But I don't know what more you want out of his kit.>Scarabs make his gun damage higher>Tornado is ez CC/mobility/escape that also gives him evasion>Yet another gun stacking damage mechanic except this one rapes people horribly>A global teleport that shits him out buffed anywhere
>>557762657Mewgentics
>Seven is my new main
>>557762861maybe you can save time and go back to cod instead
>>557762861what a tourist
>>557761750>accuse your enemy of the exact thing you yourself are guilty ofThese people always do this, there's no faggot shit in this game beyond Pocket's retarded and anti-lore "they" bullshit that's a huge black mark on the game that I wouldn't be surprised got removed in the end.The only ones who think there's any faggotry in the game whatsoever are severely mentally ill fag fanart and headcanon enjoyers with way too much free time on their hands.You see the pure delusions they say and you'd think you're playing Concord or Highguard or whatever other game that catered to these retards and fell flat on its face.
>>557762410>The guy who designed venator was like "we can't have this character have power creep", all the other ones went "lmao let's make the craziest shit ever"both the shotgun and the traps destroy the squishy new heroes that either get stunned or immobilized doe
>>557762165Replace his scarabs with a shorter range cone/cylinder aoe that pops his mark with bonus damage and knocks back people immobilized by his 2.
>>557762667>grenade destroys people because people at my shit level of play bunch up and spread the fire>still does less damage that all the spirit scalling aoe nukes>here look at this picture I tooknice argument retard, all I see is shit aim
>>557762551>pants falling apartShoes, my bad
>>557763058hmm, not bad but honestly I could see scarabs to work a bit more like graves deadheads. not 1:1 but similar idea.
>be Phantom 2>get absolutely dumpstered in lane by a guy on his 10th game>assume he's some kind of Eternus alt account>he has 1500 hours in Apex, 4k hours in CS, and 3k hours in TF2Oh...
>>557761750>Fight toxic.. with toxic!They could be the ""adult"" in this situation, by ignoring them, and muting people. But i guess they need to become what they hate most because..?5 years from now it will just evolve into ironic anger that vyper, ivy, and paige players have pushed for so long. Fake positivity and when things go south, its the teams fault?
>>557762567All phoneposting niggers go directly to hell
>>557762969>Pocket>To this day people are still fighting over the retarded puck reference character
>>557745845i couldn't get into dota 2 because the characters were so ugly and while this is better, there's still no girls as cute as in league.but i'm still interested in the game from a gameplay perspective so i might have to settle. how is graves?
>>557763260Boring.
how much velocity is a properly executed IAD supposed to give?
>>557763260Complete trash, in fact the cuter the girl the more trash she isSorry, its a design choice
>>557763091This is the #1 player NA playing the hero and his grenade damage almost equals his gun damage.You are a retarded faggot that has no idea what the fuck he's talking about and you should fucking kill yourself.
>>557762667>And I fucking suck it'd be much higher if I could aim worth a shit and didn't miss 70% of my grenades.Im buying the gun item that makes my ability 30% bigger and aiming at the floor in front of people hoping to airburst the grenade on them. Its good fun.
>>557763260braindead, probably perfect considering your tastes
>>557748574why would victor be in school
>>557763260>there's still no girls as cute as in league.you are a spiritual bugman
>>557762995he is immune to movement displacement during all his abilities (just gets that baseline cause power creep) hence making the shotgun not stun him. I guess if you manage to catch him when he is not using a single move, you can stun him for 0.65 seconds if he's in range of the wall and if the game decides to not rob you of a stun because of janky physics. You're still not gonna kill him on your own.>glue-eating retard steps into trap>diesliterally skill issue
>>557763383>retard didnt include headshots and crits
I tried bebop for the first time and man this feels ass if you can't hit hooks
>>557762969>The only ones who think there's any faggotry in the game whatsoever are severely mentally ill fag fanart and headcanon enjoyers with way too much free time on their hands.The same people who make twitter posts but dont actually play the game
>>557763449Because females (XX) are OBSESSED with shipping Victor with their self-insert.
>>557763484so do you think venator is weak or that apollo shouldn't get movement displacement during his 3? if it's the latter, go make the argument on the private forums to yoshi
>>557763449well he has no education, hes just a zombie doll with no childhood
>>557763383oh hey i played with that guy recently
>>557763747YOU FOOL>>557757848
>>557763501here you go you dumb cocksucker I even opened up the match ID in game to get that graph. Grenade literally his #1 damage ability over his gun.https://statlocker.gg/profile/1837991471/matches/59005961/summary
>>557763595Shhhh...
>>557751254As a Yamato main, me too.I'm looking forward to her new model but it will bring a bunch of character tourists trying to play her
victor is so fuckin boring
Jesus christ how the fuck do you lane against Celeste + Apollo? Once they hit 3.6k you WILL die. Their combined ults deal like 2k damage with no items
>>557763595Victor X (Deadlock Woman) is infinitely more based than the actual genuine slop that the yuri troons make up.
You are not ready for the level of knuckledraggery that will come with Vyper's remodel.>female hero>wacky voice lines>feast or famine playstyleYou WILL get matched with the 0-20 Vyper every single match for a month
Metro said venator is shit
>>557764118Foid post.
>>557764254thats why we know hes good
>>557764198why would she be anything but a lizard
>>557763383>VanHelsing>not VenHelsing
I'm a Lash OTP.
>>557764254we kneel to metro in /dlg/
>>557764367cause shes a gorgon, what are you even trying to say?
I've ran into more girls on mic in deadlock than I ever have in other valve games I think
>>557764460>"""girls"""lol
>>557763595>complaining about heterosexual shipstroon or faggot
i'm starting to recognize names in fucking oracle..
>>557764460never played valorant award
>Whole enemy team is knocking on the front door to our base and trying to end>1/7 Haze is running urn>0/6 infernus is farming camps in the enemy half
>>557764442You and like 20% of the playerbase I feel
>>557764568Why not both?Troons are just mutated faggots anyway.
>>557763383so he has "almost" equal damage (it's a 30% difference, learn math) on a move he can safely throw out all game and do irrelevant, low-impact damage. Nice, so you went from "look the grenade is so good I do more damage with it in my shit games" to "the grenade is good, look the #1 player does damage with it". I assume you're the kind of retard that played venomancer in dota, went in, ulted and died then post game went "shit team I did 100k damage can never win" and don't understand the concept of low risk, low impact steady damaged throughout an entire game>>557763858>let me cherry-pick another match where his grenade did moredo an aggregate across all games and check where the grenade is in relation to the gun damage on average or I don't give a shit.>>557763701if by weak, you understand me as saying he's unplayable then no. But I haven't seen anyone be able to point to specific things that make him good. It's either "he can shoot but is worse than the other shooting heroes" or "his grenade does damage". I'm only talking about Apollo because he was brought up.
>>557764316I've got a dick and balls that I jerk off to AI chatbots of Ivy slamming her fat stone ass onto my dick until my hips break.Foids have done alot wrong but i think chuds and self-insert nerdy girls should join foices to tell troons and yuri niggers to fuck off.
>>557764585same lol
Kelvin is the most fun character in the game for me. Anyway contributing an image of men to the thread, it always needs more men.
>>557764669>slamming her fat stone ass onto my dick until my hips break.GOD I WISH THAT WERE ME
>>557764590is valorant even alive anymore i thought that shit died years ago pretty sure their e-sports failed too
>>557764679Release Kelvin was insanely fun. They’ve neutered him so much he’s just a healbot now. Not even his ice path is usable with the heavy slow you take from gun damage
>>557764758Games like valorant don't die, but they definitely fell off hard.
>>557764817they removed the gun damage slow months ago unc
>>557764367>Why would Yamato be anything but an alien?
>>557764758I don't like Valorant but to claim it's dead or dying is cope, normies love riot
Turbo mode when?
The idea of an alternate history where the world wars never happened is actually extremely interesting, i hope we get more story/content for the world they're making because they have a good set of tropes and ideas mixing around with DL
>>557764817I like throwing ice bombs and seeing hp bars go up :DI do not like using dome and getting gaped by the enemy cause they got anti heal D:
>>557764590>valorant>valve game
>>557764901Must have no removed it from kelvins icepath because as soon as you take gun damage you move like a snail
>>557761750>valve game>not chud-codedI have been slinging slurs in dota since 2012, you have no power here
nwfag hereis 1000 souls/min good enough to get out of shit ranks?
>>557764950idk bro my two roommates (hyper normies) quit it by jan24 and moved to just playing fortnite. I was actually gonna pick it up to play with them because why not but they quit so I never bothered.
>>557764758I have no clue desu, everyone I ever know who played it at some point no longer does at least
is the venator player guy here? I'm kinda new to the game and maining venator, how tf do I deal w my ammo situation I feel like I'm always reloading on this guy always always out of ammo, yes I try to slide too for infini ammo and I get the mag items even too but it always feels like I'm out of bullets before I actually chunk someoneAs a comparison on drifter he has a small mag but seems to be enough to chunk anyone, venator my m1 feels like they only sting until I'm legit 60k souls w tier 4s
>>557765132>40 year old boomer slinging slurslol
>>557764585>Sometimes you wanna go>Where everybody knows your name>And they're always glad you came>You wanna be where you can see (Ah)>Our troubles are all the same (Ah)>You wanna be where everybody knows your nameThe third space is REAL
>>557765203jan 2024**>>557764585I recognized names when I was Alch and still do now in Arch.
>>557765214Dont focus so much on fire rate. Mag items + active reload + on hit items and weapon damage
>>557764585lmao same, i dont get it why is there so few people playing. the game is really good
>>557765132I don't know why you are worried about it, when they have to make the game acceptable for china and russia.
>>557765226anon, at least 90% of this website was underage in 2012
>>557764198That 0-20 Vyper? Me.
>10k player peak dropoff in one dayYeah this game is fucked. Everyone comes back for the updates, remembers it's shit, then the player count plummets back down.
>>557765358>why is there so few people playingThis illustrates it very well but you don't have the self-awareness to see why
uh oh playercount schizo is back
>>557765404i stopped getting daily votes for logging in and mewgenics released
>>557765439well im dumb so just explain it to me
>>557754205There is a huge lack of proactive comms in this game, instead of people saying what they're going to do or to prepare for something in advance.I was in a game with Goober70 and another E6 pro player recently and Goober was on Bebop, he just sprints into their lane without saying anything on VC and doesn't get any followup, and he spent the rest of the match going full ego mode and sperging about how shitty at the game the other guy is. He says absolutely nothing but when the play doesn't go the way he wanted it to he suddenly has everything to say. If night shift winners can't comm proactively nobody can it's fucking doomed
>>557765358abysmal match quality
>>557765376>when they have to make the game acceptable for chinathat's wrong, ackshuallyif dota is anything to go by it will have it's own company publishing it in china which will strip it from all the faggotry and other things pointed out by the censors and then release it to chinks
>>557762896Holliday needs a reworkI don't care if she can technically work, that's true for all characters.She's one of the biggest gimmick characters in the game and her kit is held together with duct tape, with only her barrel and jumppad working together.They should give her 1 and 2 to some dynamite character and keep her crackshot and lasso in some form.
>>557765506>i stopped getting daily votes for logging inZoomers can't play games without skinner boxes. The playerbase cannot grow until we get daily quests, battlepasses, career xp, log in bonuses, and mystery boxes.
is there a video about urn routes somewhere?
>>557765830yeah
>>557765764jump pad & lasso synergize
>>557765558Its always annoying when my teammate expects me to read their mind.>Drifter literally teleports under the enemy guardian without communicating anything to me.>He starts yelling at meFrom my PoV I was clearing the wave with Drifter next to me and the next second he's dying and Im like wtf are doing
>>557765358i think having to get an invite to play is very retardedt. 2 days old player
>>557765764her kit is fantastic it's just nonsensical to her character and feels like ass until you learn the schmoovment.
>>557765987This is unironicly your fault though, turn off your music/pay attention and fucking help him.
>>557765830NahI've asked here before and you just get retards being catty about it because they don't know either
>>557765764kill yourself man this is never happening, if they casualize her im fully dropping this gamei can't even imagine how horrible and easy holliday would be if she released today
I started playing doorman, one of the most fun moba heroes I've played. But I don't know how you meaningfully contribute to a game other than fucking around with the door and being annoying (the most fun part). Any pointers? The guy seems to do no damage
>>557766227lmao whats up nigga, your youtube not working still
>>557766170I cannot anticipate this nigger teleporting to their guardian like a retard while we have a wave to clear
>apollo has near-infinite midgame sustain, a long range execute, and basekit counterspell>surely this won't be the worst fucking thing we could unleash on the game right now
>>557766283Why does Deadlock attract so many transfolk like Eskay?
Has refunding the skill points always been in this game and I just never noticed until now?
>>557766379bot broke
>>557766392HOW
>>557766392it has
>>557766379hero shooters, in all forms, are flame to the trans-moth, especially if they have cute biogirls they can AGP over
>>557766392Yes but it's never useful unless you misclick
How long until Peru invades this game?
>>557766858it's f2p what do you think
>Talon, Vindicta, Bebop, Apollo>2 supports on my team>Not a single Konckdown
>made it to Emissary Iwe climbin bros
>>557766941>Paige buys all damage spirit itemsWHY ARE YOU PLAYING SUPPORT NIGGASTOP ITTSTOP ITTTTTTTTTTTTWE DOn'T NEED MORE SPIRIT NUKERS U MONGOLOID
>>557766941Why don't you buy it yourself? Sounds like you need more than 2 anyway
>>557767036Because I did as
>>557767036my build told me I need burst fire next
>>557766941>2 supports on my team>Not a single KonckdownThe problem with public builds is that most people just click queue build and buy L-R (even if the guide explicitly says not to), this means your supports will literally never buy counters and to them those items might as well not exist, they will complain over and over in chat about how a character is bullshit though, and yes they will buy memeshit like healing rite
has this game settled on a meta (been ruined) yet or can I play and have fun?
buying active items raises your rank by itself, the items in this game are so broken that your focus should be buying the most broken ones as soon as possible
>>557766392Yes, same with refunding purchases
I have so many kills that get away simply because I can't fucking aim and can't get those last 2-3 shots I need to land...I just wish I could fucking aim more than anything
>>557767176people are starting to understand the meta but it only applies at a high level and theres no draft mode so its not even expected in that level, play whatever stupid shit you want
>>557767176You don't have to be a meta abuser to climb, no.
>>557767176the game doesn't have a draftthere is probably a comp meta with an "ideal" team setup but you can just play what you want in normal games
>>557766263in fights you shut down the enemy by ulting, carting, cursing, knockdown etc. outside that you can constantly invade enemy jungle, push walkers for free or ult lone enemies with your team for backup
>>557766379The game is free and appeals to the nerd community and has rarely any nigger or casual appeal, and the nerd community has a loud-minority troon infestation.They're starting to get fizzled out by more and more people coming into the game as well as the tourists that don't play and just splurge about celeste are moving onto their next fixation.Expect them to be rare when we leave the invite only alpha.
>>557765358every good player is stacking and stomping solosmatchmaking quality at all time low, oracle is initiate
>>557767228>I just wish I could fucking aim more than anythingBrotherI know just the heroFor you
>>557766379i called them a tranny on twitter and they blocked me sad!
At what rank do people learn that they have to play defensive if the enemy has a lead? So tired of niggers throwing away comeback opportunities.
>>557767526>at what rank do people learn they need to play the game wrongidk initiate I guess, weird post
>>557767176Right now the meta is picking the new characters since they are all broken as fuck (besides Venator) and getting free wins because their abilities are straight up not designed in the same way as the original or even previous new heroes.Literally all five of them besides Venator are so much stronger than anything else in the game besides genuinely overpowered stuff like Haze or Seven.
>>557766426click the spent skill pointif you do it quick enough or you don't use the ability it will refundit's not a full respec or anything but it lets you fix a missclick
>>557767526if the enemy has a lead and you play defensive the enemy will simply keep building their lead up
66% winrate not too shabby I'd say
>>557766283React to it, you don't need to anticipate it.
>>557767526>So tired of niggers throwing away comeback opportunities.You don't understand bro I NEED to 1 v 2 the fed enemy haze and billy, I will surely win this engagment!
>>557767669Grenade damage status?
>>557767526literally no moba works like this, not one of them. It is never the right decision to "play defensively" from behind. That's a misconception of how leads work.
Maturing is realizing Paige is hotter than Mina
>>557767669Solo or in a stack?
>>557767801Solo. I don't have any friends.
>>557767526you need to double down on aggression if anything, just need to be smart about it. ganks and speed are the way to recover
>>557767731It's usually quite high but also can't aim for shit which makes my gun damage lower than it should be.
I abstained from any and all MOBAs after I quit league for about a year, but my friends keep shilling me this game and I like a few characters visually. (graves, silver, drifter, mina) Should I try the game out?
>>557767761I don't know for this game, I only play dota, but it's fucking horrible how often in a game you take a downturn and you have a guy start saying "don't leave hg guys", they take all your t2s then choke you out over 15 minutes where you get no farm and they get the whole map. People don't fucking get it
>>557759796>typo in ever sentenceI KNEEL
>>557767964Yeah, dude.
>>557767964it's a fun game but at it's core it's still a mobayou'll waste upwards of 40 minutes because matchmaker decided to give you the special needs kidyou could also play the brawl mode which is sort of like a turbo/aram thing where matches are only 10-15 minutes
>>557767765>shadow weave silver tiptoeing around to hunt people downsneaky sneaky wife
>play as 6>win>dont play as 6>losethat's literally 99% of games under a rating threshold
>>557767904ok but no one does that. i think he means people need to stop going all in over and over even when 2k souls behind. the mentality of "always be aggressive" is why you get people with over 10 deaths before mod boss spawns.
>>557768127>2k souls behind
>>557768127no actually, the mentality of being a complete sopping wet pussy thats complete risk averse is why you get so many players hardstuck in the mid ranks
Why the fuck am I always with the worst performing player on laneDoes Yoshi have it out for me or what
>>557768243PULL.BACK.
>>557767980Deadlock's version is basically>enemy starts running urn to our side>nooooo, we can't stop them and we can't do anything else while they do that either>just fight under our 1 almost dead walker. now fight in base. now fight in fountain. now we lost? whaaaaat?
>>557767768All of the Paige mods with her ass out don't work, so Mina wins by default since I can actually stare at her butt
>>557768401have you considered you suck ass at laning
>>557767607>the new heroes are so wildly out of design they invalidate all the cast>49% and lower winratehmmm
let's have more venator arguing, good or bad and why?
>>557768093>you'll waste upwards of 40 minutes because matchmaker decided to give you the special needs kidThis is why I usually picked scaling champions like Vlad (my all time favourite moba champ next to jhin) but idk if you can achieve the same level of playing for time then wiping the map in this game. Any good late scalers that aren't pressured by the clock to win or fall off?
>>557767601>>557767653>>557767761>>557767904Holy shit so it was all of you.
>>55775216599% of Venator is positioning and map awerness. I love playing him, but if you're ever in a situation when they get on top of you and you didn't prepare a Plan B, you have failed. Early game go Intensifying+Titanic Magazine as your early game base and never stop holding M1 to not drop the buff + get lifesteal bullets. And then farm, farm and farm until at least Weighted Bullets. And always think 2 steps ahead.>where to I pre-place traps for a retreat or to stop potential flanks?>what is the best position for me to go to fight?>where are the choke points for my shotgun and traps?Your traps are extremly important, genuienly the most important ability and most impactful >>557752440 unlike what this retard thinks to remove it. Never just toss them out, place them near doorways or tight corridors and lead anyone into them, when they think they got you and get their balls snapped, then you pull out the Deagle and slam them into the wall. I level my bear traps once before the granade just for the faster cooldown. When I play against a Venator I almost never notice his traps. When I play him I constantly hear the snap of my traps 24/7. But that's just my personal playstyle, never did a nadespam build.
>>557768509highly ironic youre asking me how to get to my rank and making this post, what are you archon, maybe oracle after the third rank reshuffle? shitter
>>557762104>>557762345>liking hh>liking the music in hhYou need to be 18 to post here + you're either a girl or gay
>>557768243You're right, soloing the enemy jungle when they're 20k souls ahead is how you get to eternus.
is something wrong with my account? it takes like 20 wins to get a rank up
>>557768437>get 2 kills and have 3-4 people near a walker with the rest of the enemy team showing on the other side of the map>ping the walker>everyone runs back to base and doesn't steal jungle either
>>557768214>2k behind at 4 minsyeah.>>557768243fuck you retard, stop losing half your hp tanking the trooper wave & diving their tower when they have ults and we dont. suck my cock you worthless knuckle dragging ape. smoke my pole.
>>557768458Yeah and I've arrived at the conclusion that's only partly the case at most. I mean worst performing as in end game results, not just the lane going bad.
>>557768643>>557768681stay seeker niggers
TONS OF VALVE DEVS ONLINE IN THE FORUMSYOSHI IS UPREMODELS INCOMING BROS
Why do streamers and so called "top players" keep saying Silver is S tier?She feels A-tier at most.
>>557768496mmmm nyo...
>>557767964It's fun, especially when you get the movement down. But it's definitely a MOBA with a few rough edges sanded-down.
>>557768513>put in 50 times more effort and brainpower than 9 out of 10 characters>outperfomed by glue eaters holding shoot
>>557762286This shit is aids just use discord if you like these types of people
>>557768829She's about to pop off and enact global domination any second now
>>557768826GRAY TALON JUST FLOATED OVER MY HOUSE
>>557768826AIIIEEEEEEEE YAMATOSISTERS
>>557768449the towers in this game are so fucking weak too, they do nothing so there's nothing to even play defensive around
>Decide to spectate a game for the first time to try to learn how others play>Immediately get a combo of>Constantly yapping woman being like "Uhmmm, guys??? What are you doing???">Russian Abrams raging and typing in cyrilic>Seven on the opposite team being ready to throw because he was like 0/10Amazing
>>557768980I just heard "THIS HUNT IS OVER" help me
>>557769106I wonder how much theyll buff the towers once they get remodelled
>>557768829Because people are so used to base form Silver sucking so much shit that now that base form silver isn't too bad (it's still kinda bad) people are panicking even though wolf form only gets value if you let it.
>>557768472>New characters are played by new players who tank the winrate and don't have a clue what they are doing
>>557769149kill all paige players.
>>557768826>1 view added to my shitty hero suggestionIt's my time. Yoshi will finally recognize my immense brain size and goodness at hero design!
>>557768836Bummer. So there's no real way to brute-force wins 1v11 by outscaling everyone? What's the win condition like then?
>>557768482Bad because no one uses my patented no purple support ven build, wander is close but he still buys purp
>>557769149kekyou got the distilled experience
>>557769224could you just wait for nerfs like a normal person or are you unemployed or something?
>my entire team just got stunlocked teamfighting constantlyhow do we fix this now
>>557762667>hallmark of a shitty geist player is an inflated damage stat from focusing on her bombs>venator players trying to convince you grenades are the play because big numbermakes you think
>>557769312we'll be recognized one day my sista
>>557763484that explains why i dont get him during abram charges
>>557769459you play a carry and go farm
>>557769321there's m1 carries that function like better ADCs from leagueyou build gun items, vacuum all the farm, then left click people to death before they register even being shot atm1 carries require the most aim, macro knowledge, and positioning1v11 though? Maybe fed Yamato but she's not that strong right now
>>557769350I guess so lmao
>>557769475Both are good
>>557768496Victor past 30 minutes is nigh invincible unless the enemy is already giga fed
trying to learn this game again. who should i play between billy graves and haze?
>>557769149>valve forgot to segregate the monkeys againSAD!
>>557769558I'm, the warden and have been keeping up with farmbut their yamato is at 55k
>>557768509keep hiding behind your walkers while the enemy takes your jungle, it's gonna work out eventually somehow!
>>557769475>geist gets one grenade thats a huge aoe nuke>venator gets 4 at any given time with the right items, he can spam them 2s apart, and they do pure damage + reduce healing>no its bad!
>>557769149>>557769350this is why people should watch from in game through the pov of the heroes they like/want to learn, just so they can experience this specifically as a heads up.
>>557767980>>557768449>reductio ad absurdumLiterally have never played a game where that happened.
Are most Rem players too passive or do people not know how to play WITH him still? A majority of my lane partners play extremely passive it's a little annoying.
>>557763956Unironically SOVL
>watching 'scrims' for tomorrow>celeste first ban silver first pick againSilver downplayers in shambles
>>557767980what level do you play at? cause it happens often and I play in the immortal bracket
>>557769475>>557769661>>557762667Venator's bomb is a good part of his kit and should be given some attention to over "FULLLLL M1 BUILDDDD".Ignoring 30% nade damage on Ven is like ignoring 30% of total souls coming from minion.It's still good to pay attention to.Also keep in mind that nade also nerfs heal rate, so you're getting value and technical EHP damage out of hitting big healer characters with it too.
>shitstomping lane>match drops>rejoin not working
Some tranny absolutely just carried the shit out of my game. She was calling all the shots and directing everybody where to go and went like 15/3 on Doorman.
>>557769909its an icefrog hero so most people are just going to gravitate towrds what they think they know vs what the frog intends
>>557770028In all my games so far, all the silvers have gone negative
>>557770142its tuesday innit
>>557770028>celeste first ban silver first pick again>Silver downplayers in shamblesWhy would it be different than last week? Silver gets picked constantly, and then loses constantly.
How would you realistically nerf silver without making her completely dogwater useless in an actual match?
no one is able to explain what is good about venator as a character that you'd want on your team
>play after a week long break>placed in a match one rank badge higher on a hero i've never playedfine I'll stay away then
>>557770206I usually go positive and lose late because its impossible to teamfight with her.
>>557769797Nah bro I'm Eternus 6, I take 1v2 fights against fed Drifter and Infernus on the enemy jungle then blame my team for not helping.
>>557770028SILVER BROSITS LE POTENTIAL WOMAN'S TIMEcan't wait for her to be first picked and lose every game
>>557770028>watching scrims for night shiftwherealso this was exactly how it went down last NS and silver only won 1 game out of all that was played and barely did anything that game either
>>557770263DAMAGE
>>557770227by giving her temporary ban from match making to cook longer
>>557770227why would you nerf silver
>>557770263Mix of consistent bleed them out damage with grenades, peel for divers, the occasional infini-range burst damage to put down backliners. On paper that makes sense, I ain't good enough to say if the numbers back up the vision.
>>557770263strong area denial with traps, scales well, ult still deletes people, built in healing reduction
>>557770263He does a lot of damage.
>>557770227Why would she ever need a nerf when any counter item renders her useless?
>>557770263>he's cool>I don't careDo I need another reason?
>>557770263one day drafts will happen, one day bans will matter, one day you might see a draft where picking venator. but thats years down the line when we have more heroes and a properly thought out drafting systemi am already dreading the idea of "picking" my hero to counter or BEING countered for first picking or whatever.
>>557769909as a Rem player, most Rem players are really bad>other Rem knows about the increased melee damage>rushes Juggernautand every other Rem is just a pillow machine with no heals or helpers stealing sinners
>>557770136I think you're missing the overall point. There's nothing about the character that makes him a M1 character. It's literally because what the hell else are you going to build? You can't build around trap. You could around crossbown, but 2 minute cooldown + it got nerfed. You CAN build around grenade, it's just not very good and doesn't justify him as a character. The character has no identity or direction in terms of what he's meant to be doing. I've never seen someone say M1 is good on him, but grenade isn't either, so you just default to M1.
>>557770227by putting in a "Hot tip, try counter items" anytime someone dies to wolf form.
Rem is the most in your face support in the gameIf you dont go full retard with your bro then youre not playing him correctlyPush their shit in and outmacro them by stealing their sinners and pushing waves with 3If you disengage with ult then you already failed
>>557762940>>557762949>look at me i know how to exploit the dated physics of a dated engineyawn
>>557770582You don't need any items against wolf. Just climb a rope and she can't do anything.
>>557770563>can't build around trap or grenadesyour rapid recharge? prolonged engagements with venator are scary because if he's positioned well not only is he shitting on you with nades and M1, you have to worry about wandering into traps and insta dying
>>557770493then hero is going to be overhauled anyway. He's weak and uninteresting, blandest hero in the game hard carried by his character design.
>>557770193No no, I mean I'm the Rem in this case and my ally just afks and doesn't fight/trade when I can negate all of the damage..>>557770542I see..
>>557770227You can't, public matches need draft, Yoshi is basically balancing for a game mode that 99.999% of the playerbase isn't playing
>>557769351I think it's much more important to complain about broken bullshit so it gets fixed even faster, actually.
>>557770563>The character has no identity or direction in terms of what he's meant to be doing.It's very clear what his identity and direction based on the kit. You not comprehending it seems like a skill issue to me.
>>557770227silver is the weakest of the entire new rosterapollo > celeste > graves (pre-nerf) > rem > graves (post-nerf) > venator > silvershe non-ult kit needs love somewhere, her ult makes her a killing machine, but only within a 2m range, and she gets outclassed the moment she drops out of lycan
So how do you bring Silver into the late game? Feel like a punching bag after 20 minutes
deadcock
>>557770862tell me what it is then. Is the identity being a bitch that has his shitty traps get broken and killed by divers while you do 100 damage with a grenade?
>>557770998I type "GG, my team sucks"
>what does this guy even do???It's a real mystery. The world's greatest detectives could probably not figure it out.
>>557770998We're waiting for the top players to answer this question but they keep feeding with her for some reason
>>557771045you wandered off and got ganked dincha?
>>557771083>what does this guy even doCums inside me until I pass out lol
>>557771106>>557771106>>557771106>>557771106
>>557771105but whatever it is, it's overpowered as fuck for sure
>>557771083His biggest strength is his spammable -50% healing button built into his kit. Anti-Heal is always good.
>>557770998I don't know what you're talking about, she has some illegal gameplay with the wolf. Tons of characters just can't do anything about it, if you can get in the backline the teamfight is over.>but the whole team turns on me and kills me if I run inno way? a whole team is allowed to deal with one character? it's a skill issue if you just run in and get killed, you need to look for openings>>557771282>his greatest strength is a grenade that does 100 damage over 3 seconds>but think of the potential unquantifiable amount of prevented healing though
>>557766426It's not mentioned anywhere in the game, and it never occured to me to click on the AP icons to see if something happens.>>557766521Pretty sure a few of those missclicks contributed to my match losses.>>557767219Yeah, clicking the item icons in the inventory while being near the shop is a bit more self-evident.
>>557766858SA region here. Brazilians are everywhere.
>>557771083>what does this guy even do???have sex with Ivy until she gets pregnant
>>557771416Half the cast has built in ways to deal with it and the entire cast has access to the item shop.
>>557746509>supposed gun meta>all the top heros are spiritGunchuds?...
>>557769717haze has the easiest macro (farm for late game items and then ult during team fights)
>>557747602>my fav ice guy is 47.6%BUFF KELVIN
>>557748341Silver today is what haze was long ago>just buy 6 counters for 1 charactersame shit.>1-2 is enoughshe just swaps targets to your support, rapes him and then rapes everyone else cause ult refresh, even kelvin dome can't outheal that shit
