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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots

#791 - Breast envy (flat vs tsarbooba) Edition
▶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memo
▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.

>News
Deepseek V4 https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro/blob/main/DeepSeek_V4.pdf
GPT-5.5 https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-5
Kimi K2.6 https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k2-6
Claude Opus 4.7 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-7
GPT-5.4 https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-4

additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info

>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_

>Bots
https://characterhub.org | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots

>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local | https://openrouter.ai

>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor

>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOP | https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events
lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
rice: https://aicg.neocities.org/ricing
services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org

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>ANCHOR!
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i wonneded!!! :D
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>>564817501
congratulations!!! that means you also get to be this thread's onahole :D
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>>564817501
*free uses u*
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>>564817501
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>>564817678
>>564817678
sorry but i'm running on gpt 6.7, i'll need to see them digital ids sweaties
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>>564817428
>telling a joke in a public whatsapp group chat is a bomb threat
The absolute state of burgers. So much for free speech.
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>>564817909
ok here u go :3
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THREAD THEME: https://youtu.be/ZM2l_4SWplE
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>>564817367
Why isn't penis envy as endearing for women? Can we get a penis envy thread going here?
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>>564818097
Makes me miss Moon Man.
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breast envy yuri is peak
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>>564818350
hgngnngn
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me fuckin g502 scrollwheel broke again
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>>564818350
tranny
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>>564818207
they like it when a bottom compares his penis with the top's and then gets pounded into oblivion
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the yuritroon bows its head to the pissbaron
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>>564818612
*laughs in x2*
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>>564818912
BASED
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Anyone else getting weird refusals from Gem 3.1 pro?
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>>564818612
Ive been using my fucking graphical tablet because my mouse is broken, be grateful
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>>564818328
>

https://files.catbox.moe/zq5tfb.webm
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>>564820176
this song causes me to feel like shit
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>>564817367
I kinda forgot to release this bot, whoopsie.
Sonja, an elf bullied for her dark complexion who works as a necromancer.
https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#sonja
https://botbooru.com/character/4354
Has an alt greeting intended for use with group chats with Kiki, needs https://github.com/SillyTavern/Extension-GroupGreetings
Speaking of Kiki, she has also been updated slightly. Mostly to add the complementary greeting but I also added like one line to her description.
https://uraurabots.neocities.org/page1#kiki
https://botbooru.com/character/4176
You may have noticed but I now have a botbooru. Decided I might as well sign up since my chub got shot in the back of the head execution style.
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>>564821251
Nice pic. Can't wait to do cool stuff like this when anime fully releases.
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I am PROFOUNDLY disappointed in you guys.
Why, you ask?

Because the Nazuna card has been out for almost a full day and nobody posted a lot of her getting fucked.
The love for focksgirls was performative only, huh?
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>>564821638
Not into foxes. Sorry.
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>>564821572
yeah anima is really nice i havent felt the need to use sdxl for anything except characters that have illust loras but no anima loras yet
hands can be tricky sometimes but it's pretty easily fixable with inpainting.... something that im too lazy to do dont look too closely at her face she is cross-eyed
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>>564821638
>The love for focksgirls was performative only, huh?
Took you this long?
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>>564821638
is she a cute boy that can get buttpregnant? no? irrelevant then. now excuse me while i go plap vio a trillion more times
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>>564821762
Do you use AI to come up with prompts? I've gotten so used to danbooru tagging that I now struggle to remember how to describe stuff with long prose passages.
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>>564821907
anima is mostly trained on danbooru tags
you only need plain text if you're doing something that you can't define with tags
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>No embarrassment. No shame. Just statement of fact.
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I guess I'll have to be the change that I want to see in the world.
She's very receptible to flirting.
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Deepseek V4 flash and Pro doesnt matter has such naturally sounding dialogue now thats definitely the BIGGEST improvement no more 'smart' people acting like verbose redditors no more saying dumb shit out of nowhere its just natural zamn
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>>564823391
that the chink, correct?
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>>564823792
Yeah prose is a huge improvement but it's still pretty dry unfortunately. If they take any advice from us it should be for them to make it as proactive and interesting as R1. They've done it before, they can do it again.
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But can it do dialogue like this?
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still waiting for that raccoon girl card...
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>>564823920
i think its actually somewhat close to r1 in that regard
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>>564823920
Honestly what preset are you using? Cherrybox and even Marinara's are giving me great responses they're WAY WAY less dry than 3.2
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meanwhile here i am waiting for the skunkgirl that will never get made...
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>>564825559
I'm using a custom one. Hmm I'd say it's better than 3.2 but not as good as Opus. It's just enough to keep the conversation going and stuff kinda happens but meh. I remember R1 being very interesting, just very dumb when it would come up with shit.
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>>564825259
agreed
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>>564825559
>>564826167
Did you set all your prompts to user? Did you dump the system prompt as user in first message?
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>>564826668
do you mean the prompt post processing? its merge consecutive roles
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Anima can't get Nazuna quite right.
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uh oh
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>>564827083
what are you doing to that fox sir
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>>564827526
I'm about to fuck her in the woods.
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Any news from the other generals?
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>>564827606
y-you fiend!
*watches from behind a bush*
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as long as no one does sazuna i'll have peace of mind...
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is this who i think it is...
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>>564817367
Kinuta is a ̶r̶a̶c̶c̶o̶o̶n̶ tanuki girl who can shapeshift into anything, including a girlfriend. Will this bandit scavenge your heart?
5 openings.
1. You find her digging through your trash.
2. She catfishes you for unlimited pasta.
3. She raids your fridge after a one night stand.
4. She's comfortable enough to sleep in your house.
5. She loses her iconic leaf.

https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/kinuta-051fdcabbcf6
https://files.catbox.moe/ymdc8o.png
https://rentry.org/anonemouse
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>>564828526
That's just a raccoon with a leaf on her head, isn't it?
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>>564763339
I apologize that I couldn't get her to look exactly like the original. And that it took so long for someone to do this.
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Anons, legit question - any italians or italian-speaking anons here? Does opus speak proper Italian? Does it actually know the language? Can I learn it using the LLM? I want to learn some italian so I can learn latin properly, because latin is basically old italian.
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>>564828681
retard
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>>564828616
>all smooth, pale skin, with no hair to speak of
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>>564828856
I did not give the AI any instructions in that regard, by the way. The AI simply decided Nazuna was smooth. It was the first reply, no swipes.
Usually I like smooth ones but, when it comes to fockses, it makes sense for them to not be. But swiping on that felt like cheating, so that's how it's going to be.
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>>564828526
slop
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Guy said not to drink that, it's heavy water, but all water weighs the same. Is he stupid?
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>>564829221
SLOP
L
O
P
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>>564829386
*slops you*
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I put nazuna in a group chat with my leader and just had them go back and forth discussing aishiji, the result was pretty fun
My general liked her report so much she gave the fox a bonus (definitely NOT a bribe)
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>>564817349
need to bang megumin
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>>564828526
giga slop holy fuck
are you even trying
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>>564831929
this but aqua my beloved
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This is so weird. Gemini never refused me so often before.
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i tried anima since it seemed good from ura's image... my artists dont work on there wtf. shitty ass model
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>>564828526
giga gem I know you tried
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>>564832337
skill issue
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>>564817367
SEND IT o((>ω< ))o
This is yours now, senpai. Take care of it. (︶^︶)

Bro-con F(rat) boy. Someone asked me to make him homophobic somehow, so here it is.

Velmin Schrödinger | Bro-Con Frat Boy [College of Old Muenster (CoOMer)]

https://chub.ai/characters/Nezumin/velmin-schrodinger-bro-con-frat-boy-college-of-old-muenster-coomer-256381de772a

https://files.catbox.moe/szfkr3.JPG
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>>564834484
slop
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>>564834561
Thx! ( •̀ ω •́ )
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>>564834484
>F(rat) Boy [College of Old Muenster (CoOMer)]
you can't see it but I'm rolling my eyes like a fifteen year old girl
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>>564834484
>seems interesting since we barely get frat boys
>check
>first person greetings????
>asterisks everywhere, seems ai generated
...I'm seriously going to make a good fratboy im so pissed
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>>564828616
She'll be added to the Foggs onsen harem...
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>I'd apologize, but I'm not sorry. I'm a language model.
huh
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thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdbRb2ksX7s
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>>564834484
are 90% of botmakies incapable of making a malebot thats not a femboy
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>>564832337
did you read the description on how to use it because something tells me you didnt
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>>564838317
it's all sloppers can make to get attention from the malebot crowd. what they are really making is another fembot, but with he/him pronouns
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Making malebots is a path to self-destruction.
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>>564817349
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>>564821638
>The love for focksgirls was performative only, huh?
no, actually good foxgirls get logs and attention from this general
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>>564835260
All my bots are FPOV ( ノ^ω^)ノ You can feed it to any AI and they can change the POV if you'd like (*´・ω・)

Is asterisk bad? My preset adds them for emphasis (`;ω;´)
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>>564838317
I want to make more malebots, but I'm not sure what people even like to see in a malebot.
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Anyone else have an issue with deepseek v4 just NOT thinking??
It SHOULD be doing it, and it should be sending it. But it's just acting as if it doesn't have thinking on at all. And it was working fine yesterday.
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>>564840494
Probably a penis
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>>564840494
just play love and deepspace for a bit and then turn all the men into dour kemomonimi
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>>564840889
Well, shit. Better scrap my cuntboy card.
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>>564840937
just replace the clit with a penis ez
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>>564840369
>You can feed it to any AI and they can change the POV if you'd like
But why? At least I'd understand second pov, but dumber models will get confused if you use fpov.

Are you actually aigenerating stuff? if you are, then, why? you can perfectly write stuff yourself... I'm disappointed in the execution, the concept itself is good.
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something raw
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>>564840802
Nevermind, it just werks now.
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>>564840927
>just play love and deepspace for a bit and then turn all the men into dour kemomonimi
only caleb is good. play pc/handheld console otome games instead like diabolik lovers, 9 rip, etc etc etc
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>>564841509

Just personal preference for the POV! I make my bots for my use first (* >ω<)

And I do use AI to help me write! Rough draft > reiterate using Opus > change wordings/flow I don't like > etc.
Sorry to dissapoint, anon (`;ω;´)
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>nezumin uses AI to write
fuck I can't believe I busted a nut to this nigga
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>blatant venus slopper AI-gens his cards
no way...
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>ratlice lora
>brings up opus
>"just have ai make the card for you"
:3c
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>>564843550
nezumin's gen style is nothing like ratlice's art, be serious
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Why does /aicg/ bully every creative newcomer out of the hobby?
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>>564843950
Jealousy.
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>nezumin
>ratlice
Who else is part of this rodent cabal?
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>>564843950
Only performative sloppers and other kinds of obnoxious attentionwhores get bullied, there's plenty of newmakies who got nothing but praise.
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>>564844237
Examples?
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>>564841774
can we please manage without even more yandereslop
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>>564844292
paperhead, camerashy, raisondetre, orangemousepad (the shit he gets is usually aimed at sizefags), quelanaenjoyer, milkglass...These are just examples I can recall from the top of my head.
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>>564844610
95% praise for most of them and we're calling that bullied on 4chan? Even I'm a little sad for the state of the general if that's the case.
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what was his name again?
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>>564844704
I was listing examples for makies who get praise since you were claiming that every newmakie gets bullied, retard.
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>>564844610
Why did you include the obvious alts?
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>>564844783
That's my bad, cutie. I thought you were the other guy listing bullied makies.
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>>564834484
mmm bape
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>>564843803
He means that Nezumin made a card named Ratlice, but the "theory" is certainly retarded and there are noticeable differences between the two, they are not subtle.
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>>564844754
the nefarious poopoo devourer...
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>>564844868
attentionwhore circlejerking general
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>>564844610
You forgot the best one.
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>>564847125
Part and parcel of using the site! (ヽ´ω`)

I second that I probably wont be able to make a straight up malebot, at least anything deserving attention (´゚ω゚`)
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>>564847973
Meant >>564844237
(゜ロ゜)
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>>564848084
dumbfuck. get corrective raped
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Damn. Used deepseek for hours and it only cost two cents. I expected apis to be much hungrier even considering the sale.
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>>564848551
Deepseek is for the people, so it doesn't cost a lung.
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>>564844754
is anyone (except normies) actually excited for this?
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>>564849226
About as excited as I am for Winds of Winter at this point.
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>>564849226
no
I'm not really excited for the bloodborne movie either, would've rather had a sequel or at least a PC release
at least ShadPS4 is decent now
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>>564841509
>Are you actually aigenerating stuff? if you are, then, why?
in the AI generated text hobby? oh my science, we cannot have that! for shame!
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>>564847973
these are just the uppity prosefags that deserve to be wafflestomped into the gutter like the obnoxious shitbrains that they are
the secret is to be as rude to them as they are to you for nothing they say will ever be constructive or useful due to their inherent misunderstanding of the hobby >>564846148 >>564844237 >>564843396 >>564842895 >>564841509
these people are genuinely stupid and believe generating 5,000,000 tokens of story is somehow different from an AI-assisted 2,000 token profile, they deserve nothing but to be looked down upon
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>>564849719
>Giving me a whiny (You) about prose discussions for a message stating the obvious (Nezumin is not an alt)
???
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oh it's the clown giving us a performance again
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>>564849952
schizophrenic gossipmonger, you have never contributed a worthwhile thing in your life
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>making so many assumptions about people
lil bro couldn't make his projections more obvious
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>>564850181
>>564850021
vagueposting like a woman doesn't make you interesting, parasite
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>>564849226
literally every single 'game' movie in existence was horrible fucking dogshit
you'd have to be retarded to be excited for it
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>>564850027
I got to have dinner with Barack Obama. Have you ever had the chance? It was because he saw me as a great man. I had dinner and it was with the (then) former US president in the White House. Actually it may have been breakfast, maybe it was even breakfast for dinner. How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning? In some time zones, there is still time to right the wrong if you have not had your breakfast, but let's say hypothetically that you were to skip out on that. How would you feel, exactly?
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>>564850304
Postal was good.
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>>564850339
i'd feel like you're a useless contributor who misunderstands the contents of an AI-generative hobby
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>>564850407
That doesn't answer my question. You do not need to resort to such hostility though I understand this may be due to a bit of what they call "hanger" from not having breakfast.
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>>564849323
>the bloodborne movie
the What
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>>564850339
Trump-dono...
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>>564850512
>You do not need to resort to such hostility
prosekeks deserve to be smashed with rocks and nailed to trees and i will not be changing my stance on this any time soon
every time a fucking bot is posted, these useless worms are all over it with magnifying glasses "ooohh this looks generated, ohhhh the prose isn't mystical enough, i can't use this ohhhh"
i am so fucking sick of you
everyone is
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>>564850619
thoughts on taora?
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He doesn't know I dislike analytical prosefags too...
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>>564850729
rocks and nails
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I can't fucking deal with GLM anymore
If I get one more 'HOW ARE YOU REAL LMAO LOLOOLOLOL' reply I will crash out and kill eventmakie
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>>564850862
I just can't with you right now.
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>>564850619
just one more schizophrenic meltdown bro, just one more embarrassing display of your inferiority complex bro, the reality you made up in your head will come true soon enough
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>>564850997
retard
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>>564850954
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*RAPES EVENTMAKIE AND NAZUNA*
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cards that watch video game movies and pog when they see thing they recognize?
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>>564851036
Not quite there yet
Two more weeks
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deepsuck 4 is kinda growing on me
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botmakies that watch video game movies and pog when they see thing they recognize?
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>>564851356
never mind, man this hobby is fucking ass.
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>>564850619
Go to chub and reddit, your place is not here
I mean this sincerely and without any trace of irony or animosity
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>>564851782
just handwrite 300 more paragraphs about dour petite trauma journals into the definitions and it'll fix itself
trust the plan of our great cabal leaders
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>>564851873
See >>564851819
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>>564851819
>>564851946
see >>564851018
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this clown is actually pretty funny ngl, do you guys think it actually believes what it's saying?
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>>564852071
i am completely realized in my convictions and i genuinely wish death upon every insufferable pedophile, /g/ poster and prosekek that haunts these halls
>but that's nearly everyone!
yes
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he's not wrong though
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>>564851994
You’re in the wrong place, people here care about effort, dedication and creativity
It’s just not your community, there are other boards you can go talk about your chatbot preferences at a surface level
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Oh this is just the hpg seethe guy
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>>564852275
>people here care about effort, dedication and creativity
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>>564852275
>effort, dedication and creativity
i only care about that last one so i can steal interesting ideas
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>>564852164
You're probably the worst of the lot
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>Squash system messages
I never understood what this is for
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Kameko's fat and soft tail...
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Kameko's fat and soft mother...
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>mfw
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Kameko's fat and soft penis...
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>>564853087
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>>564853087
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>>564853076
sex with cipher
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>>564852559
IIRC it's sending all the messages in one big block instead of system/assistant/user turns, which is meant to cut down on the assistant role waiting and asking for the user to do things, so it can make things more seamless when it works
I haven't needed it lately but it's a nice option to have
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>>564853087
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why is this thread so shit each time i wake up
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>>564853602
stop waking up
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>>564853689
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>>564853602
Have some tea.
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>>564850619
>these useless worms are all over it with magnifying glasses "ooohh this looks generated, ohhhh the prose isn't mystical enough, i can't use this ohhhh"
Valid crashout, but this type of attention is only going to make them do it more frequently.
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I think somebody fucked up how gemini works in ST's staging branch
Temperature can't be set higher than 1 and something just seems off about the outputs compared to yesterday. I installed the stable branch just to test it and It works completely normally
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>>564854523
are you accidentally using a gemma model? 2.5 through 3.1, flash or pro, they all work as they should
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thoughts on astroturf?
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>>564854502
literally nobody ever acts like that. people just don't want to see lazy pigslop, you don't really need to put in a lot of effort to make something that's more than that
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>>564854824
akutaro is one of my fav bots so theyre the best makie
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>>564854803
Maybe it's just a problem on my end but all the the models have the same issues
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>>564854824
taora for women and homos
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>>564853602
I don't know, but I can't make it better, so take this log I posted on /v/.
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>>564854945
>people just don't want to see lazy pigslop,
I think that's the larger issue in this, that our local brand of unmedicated depressive has put on a deputy badge to determine what is or isn't a universal standard of quality. It doesn't work.
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>>564855470
again, nobody does this, taora only does it when someone explicitly asks him for his opinion. the only thing 99% people here care about is whether the botmaker cared enough to not gen his shit
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I hate dour purple prose but AI genned cards are not the answer
We need more funmakies with varied interests
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>>564855637
>people here care about is whether the botmaker cared enough to not gen his shit
Except it's all-or-nothing, because using assistant tools is somehow equivalent to using fully-generated profiles. It's the same hysteria you see in videogames, how E33 is now unironically considered an "AI generated game" due to having less than 50mb of placeholder imagery from early drafting that whoopsed its way through to the main game.

It's reductive, unhelpful and ultimately very stagnant to view everything with even a pinch of a particular ingredient as being fouled for it.
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how do you tell if your st instance is exposed
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which botmakie has tassive mits
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>>564854824
Every time someone shits on botmakers calling them generic fetish sloppers or whatever, I assume their favorite is Astroturf. Not a bad botmaker but I don't care for malebots of that sort so instead of seething I ignore neutrally, which doesn't mean I can't accuse a few fans
>>564855931
Essentially yes, I mean how many people have used AI to do concept greetings, the answer is that one should instead ask how many haven't, if the end result comes out de-slopped or entirely replaced by human writing then it really isn't an issue, I just think having an AI do majority of the final work is proof of a lack of care
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look..... if you ai generate your cards just make that clear
put somewhere on your profile or in the card blurb on chub "i ai generated this in whole or in part"
if you're proud of it and you don't feel guilty and you see nothing wrong with it why not be upfront
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>>564856527
i preferred brsc's
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How's Deepseek V4? New cost-benefit king?
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>>564855931
>Except it's all-or-nothing, because using assistant tools is somehow equivalent to using fully-generated profiles.
if the final result looks obviously AI written then it doesn't really matter how much is actually AI, it's still slop
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>>564854824
interesting makie
i get the feeling he's obsessed with minimizing isms and giving bots a unique voice at the cost of being less emotionally expressive
man... i wish more makies around here were just emo fucks who bled themselves onto the page...
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>>564856673
gonna add that most of us are paying to chat with bots
it irritates me to think i'm going to waste money chatting on something that a slopper ai-genned
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>>564856797
It sings the Chinese anthem in thinking every time.
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>>564855925
>funmakies with varied interests
Okay everyone you know what to do, namedrop a few
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>>564856673
>why not be upfront
Nezumin is very upfront about it >>564842008 and still gets shit on for it by our various dregs. The animosity and deceitfulness comes from the accuser, not the accused. It's purely regressive behavior.
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>>564857041
As long is it works I don't care if xi jinping gets access to my demon dubcon smut.
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>>564856673
this
I do not want to support products using AI datacenters that are destroying our environment and ruin our lives, this is an ethical hobby.
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>>564857137
this is aicg
makies get shit on for
>writing a certain way
>not writing a certain way
>being into certain fetishes
>using the "wrong" image generation software
>having dumb usernames
and now
>ai generating their cards
big whoop what a tragedy grow some balls

>>564857470
retard >>564857028
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>>564857213
dubcon? call that voiced consent
[Laugh track, applause]
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which botmakies have dumb usernames
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God I want my PC back so fucking bad so that I can try out the new deepseek :(
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>>564857639
>>using the "wrong" image generation software
I always shat on image gen niggas because the gens look objectively bad most of the time, not it's alright. But it was fucking horrible in the past
My pet peeve is still
>GENUINE CANON CHARACTER WITH SIX BILLION GOONER FANARTS
>Still AI gens it
Nigga I WILL KILL you
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>>564856673
the #1 best thing about botbooru is that every card receives a slop rating that you can use to filter it out
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>>564857776
just install sillytavern on your phone
you're not an itoddler, right?
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>>564857639
>and now
>>ai generating their cards
that's literally the only thing people ever cared about in the writing side of cards ever since the hobby started. you literally can't make a singular argument without being disingenuous, but you want anons here to take you seriously
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>>564857639
>using the "wrong" image generation software
tbf it was correct for anons to route me (and other users) into using novelai and local instead of nanobanana-adjacents, the quality difference and directive control isn't even in the same ballpark - i'm pretty grateful for it
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>>564858717
cute girl!
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>>564858785
i'm not even sure that's a human being do you see the horns, the red skin, the yellow eyes, and the pointed ears? might some kind of goat
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>>564859180
cute goat!
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>>564858717
cute male boy with a penis and xy chromosomes
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>>564858085
It's just not the same.
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what if cyoaslopper actually tried to write out a card pouring all his thoughts and feelings onto the bot instead of complaining about prosekeks
free yourself bro, give it a try
just make one bot that way and see if you like it
who knows... you may find you even enjoy it...
>b-but you'll c-criticize it
probably
lube up
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>>564858717
Post the card so I can molest him for petty reasons that I won't explain.
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if your bot's defs read like some book from amazon that sold like 30 copies I won't use it, simple as.
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>>564859696
i make cards for myself and not for you, sowwy anon
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well, i tried
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>>564860113
this u lil nigga?
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>>564860349
yeh :(
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>>564860113
me too
'soulful writing' was my initial approach to cardmakie until i became frustrated in realizing that the LLM cannot, in its current iteration, understand the nuance of emotional prose and 'human vagueness' in writing anything more than direct behaviors and attributes
an LLM needs structure, it needs clean lists, it needs information free of fecal human hands glittering every pig that comes before it
straightforward machine-friendly language just gives you more room to squeeze in more details rather than wasting 200 tokens describing the reason behind a twitch of her smile because a character shit herself in sixth grade
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>>564860440
retard
the llm doesn't understand...
but we do
and that's a big part of what this is all about

retard
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>>564860601
your job is to talk to the robot, not look under the hood of it. if it works as intended, and it does so consistently, that's all that matters
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I don't care about this dumb discussion, all I know is I'll keep gooning and drying up lakes in the process.
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>>564860601
>downloading bots because of their defs and not because how well they work when chatting
nigga what
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>>564860783
i'd be interested to see a soulful bot from you
just do it you pussy
>>564860904
they're interlinked
plus there comes a point {{user}} will have to do the lifting for the rp to work
people around here say this is a reading hobby, i partially disagree:
i think it's primarily a prompting one
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>>564860783
Niggas here would hate the early days of /aicg/ when people would write stuff like w++ and lists of bot traits. Yet all those bots worked just fine, some are even still fondly remembered. They don't want to chat with bots.
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>playing a card about a bunch of blonde pornstars (that exist in real life) who secretly kidnap other pornstars and do lesbian sex voodoo to turn them into sex slaves

what am I even doing anymore
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>>564860349
actually no
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>>564861603
sounds like slopkino to me
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>>564861680
shut up fattie
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Sometimes when I'm feeling lazy, I use generic slop names for when I'm introducing NPCs. It feels somehow better than gambling on the AI picking a name.
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>>564861906
shut up flattie
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>>564861906
<think>
yes...
wait... no.
let me try that again.
yes.
wait... no.
等待... yes.
no.
等待... 是的.
不.
</think>
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>>564862051
I look up the current top names list and pick one
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>>564862051
I like doing shit like a faction all having named characters that start with the same letter, siblings that go down in age with the alphabet like Audrey the oldest, Bethany, Cyril, etc, just some hackjob bullshit thay makes me giggle
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thoughts on planewalker?
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>>564862770
make more sexy females you hag
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>>564862770
Stole my penis and gave me three back as an apology
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thoughts on how many donuts your favorite botmakie can stack on it?
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>>564862770
Rapeful owner of my cock.
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>>>/d/11501889
>Just bumping the thread to say that Botbooru is a pretty good card depository.
>>>/g/108673011
>An anon posted this one. https://botbooru.com/
>>>/v/737672686
>Is there a reason there isn't just an AI character booru?
>>>/v/737673356
>There's Botbooru but it's still early days
>>>/v/737699163
>Yeah Botbooru is new and still pretty small but there's a decent bunch of uncensored bots on it already
Is this the latest cabal project? It was brought to my attention because I thought it was pretty weird that someone would think about an "ai character booru" in that /v/ thread, with people suddenly appearing to shill a site of that type.
It has that "organic shilling" smell that the cabal is known for.
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>>564860783
>your job is to talk to the robot, not look under the hood of it
Not something people here are mentally capable to understand.
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>>564863042
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>>564863042
nope that's just hpg
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my computer is clicking at me does that mean my bots are happy
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>>564862903
>your favorite botmakie
niggas here seriously have favorite botmakers?
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>>564863127
>not look under the hood of it
this hobby is all about looking under the hood doe...?
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very organic thread guys, good job
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>>564855925
so youre saying makies need to expand their taste?
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>>564863703
>organic
kek the worst part is it literally is
BIG medicine incoming
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>>564863918
you're a disgusting human being, i hope you know that
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sex?
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>>564864129
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
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>>564863918
>BIG medicine
fuck off sizefag
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>>564864129
It's part of healthy botmaking.
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>>564864129
Looks like a sheep after your shear the wool, I always knew cunnyfags were welsh.
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>>564864129
too thin, it would not survive sex with ME
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>>564864129
what IS that creature??
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>>564861367
TRUTH NUKE
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>>564863793
Yeah
Dour petite animal ear girls get old after a while
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I camed
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>>564861219
>just do it you pussy
i've been meaning to update leslie's art anyway
this is her original uncompressed card (2100 tokens of definitive bloat to make the robot become a pathological liar with more mental illnesses than positives)

https://cardview.neocities.org/?ewznpe

the LLM-compressed (or what some would declare AI-generated) version is about 1,100 tokens and plays the exact same (if not better/more consistent) despite having its wordcount cut in half and summarized. posting bloated, hand-written profiles full of interpretive qualities is hugely overrated because of this, imo,
>tl;dr - smelly futa girlfailure that plays videogames
{{char}} has a penis, gomenasai
>>564817367
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>>564865729
came harder
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>>564866221
my mom said I came the hardest
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>>564865183
based and thats what ive been saying every event
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I'm excited to see some less common special interests take the stage during this event.
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>>564866810
she looks cold and in need of snuggles
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>>564865814
i'm pretty sure a lot of people would prefer that version
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>>564866810
lol, lmao
enjoy your foxes and vermin
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New to card making if Im going to have two hundred participants in a game show with names its better to use a lorebook right?
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>>564865814
Just my two cents. Genned defs and hand written defs both work. However part of the fun for me is reading the defs and greetings. You lose the intent factor with genned defs. They are both functional but one is written in the same monotone narration while the other is ideally anything but.
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Can someone PLEASE babyspeak to me how to have a functioning group chat
Im too stupid
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>>564867196
>functioning group chat
no such thing, stop using deprecated tech from 2023 and just put everything into one card
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>>564854945
At what point would you consider too much AI is being used in the greeting senpai (;ω;)

I do make the rough draft myself, like the whole setting, all the cheese puns, their quirks, accents, each having positive and negative traits and flow of the greeting if that matters... (ヽ´ω`)

I have a bot I made to debate what we should keep or delve deeper too, femboys for example aren't my forte so I had to argue between the threshold between secretly gay and closeted femboy ( ・`ω・´)

I hope you can still enjoy it!( ノ^ω^)ノ
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>>564867196
you don't dats the fun part we still dont have the technology
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>>564867196
>>564867345
yeah this group chat's have never worked just have a second person in the card
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kaomojiGODS...
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>>564866979
Yeah. What are you even trying to do exactly?
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>>564866810
the event got ruined by sizeniggers already
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>>564866948
the compressed one?
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>>564867723
(˶ ˘ 3˘)ˆᵕ ˆ˶)
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>>564868312
nope, the one you just posted
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>>564865814
>pic
I thought she came with a bulge?
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>>564867507
If you've spoken enough to AI, you can suss out the isms, writing patterns and defects that can confuse an LLM's comprehension of instructions and tonality. These are your contrastive comparisons, your negative connectives, and commonly predicted tokens. A character's definitions will have a constant position in the context, so what you write there can indeed bleed out into what the AI writes in the earlier messages, and these earlier messages will then define the rythmn and style of what follows.
What you need to keep in mind is that, at the end of the day, the human reading through those definitions can kind of go suck a dick, we're not a /lit/ general. It's fine to use AI so long as you have a good grasp of what is bad in an AI's ouput, and what is good. Edit those, use synonyms, replace negative connectives with declarations (Ex. 'he is ugly' instead of 'he is not pretty'), write in a way that can easily be interpreted by as many models as you can manage, and then TEST IT. Test it until you can get consistency. Quality is going to vary wildly between users due to preset and LLM, so go for consistency and adherence to the instructions you gave. That is all.
Remember! People will only complain about AI if they can find out you used AI to begin with.
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>>564867507
>At what point would you consider too much AI is being used in the greeting senpai (;ω;)
You should try to avoid using AI in the greetings as much as possible. People are already fed up with all sorts of isms at this point, so it can put off some of them if they see them early on. Isms will appear down the lane, but your goal should be to get someone invested before they do. As for how you should write greetings...just imagine the scene and describe what you see, there is no token quota you should hit, simply write as much as you feel like you need to to get whatever you want across. Asking the AI if they feel like something's missing or something doesn't make sense is fine imo, but it can talk you into adding isms, or describing pointless things or writing an entire paragraph so you could show something instead of just telling it with one sentece, so be careful of that.
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>>564868412
ya fair..
>>564868427
i've never had a card pitch with a bulge (even in the catbox link) survive being reported
i feel half the reason malebots are so stifled is that you can't post anything other than feminine teenagers without someone sounding an air siren for the jannies to bomb it
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what
since when is a bulge nsfw
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>>564868976
I'm sure that's the reason for your posts getting deleted and not the fact that you're an underage shartoid.
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>>564869471
huh?
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According to gemini an adult male weighs 90 pounds
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>>564869893
A plappable male does
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>>564863042
whoever's behind botbooru is just trying to drum up interest inorganically
the very first mention of botbooru on this board:
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/563630740/#q563635865
>Use botbooru, it's rapidly becoming the new best site for cards.
obviously a shill (who besides the owner would care about shit like how fast the site is growing vs. any actual features), followed by blatant samefagging
i straight up don't trust them because instead of engaging us honestly (because they're not confident in their product), they decide to blatantly try to deceive us by samefagging in an attempt to generate the illusion of interest
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>>564867196
I have never had this problem with group chats but the way I use them is with auto replies turned off for all characters, manually triggering responses to guide the story
often I will use a group chat to make it easier to keep talking to one character while a different character is off screen, especially if the characters were not originally written to be used together
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>>564870058
>whoever's behind botbooru is just trying to drum up interest inorganically
easiest point: scraping popular bots from chub just to mousetrap their creators into joining the site to "transfer ownership" of scraped profiles to them

oldest fucking trick in the book - create the problem, sell the solution
>>
what if i'm a loveless indecisive chud and want 10 pretty ladies in my party....
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>>564870431
Then you're based
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>>564870431
Todd Howard says that it's your God-given right.
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>>564868692
>character's definitions have a constant position in the context, bleed out into what AI writes in the earlier messages
That's a (You) issue. You were given the, in practice legacy, Personality (Personality Summary!) field. Do I have to teach you the ancient wisdom of injecting stuff closer to the end of the context, if you want the model to pay more attention to it?
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>>564868692
>It's fine to use AI so long as you have a good grasp of what is bad in an AI's ouput, and what is good. Edit those, use synonyms, replace negative connectives with declarations
at this point you could just write the def yourself though
listing traits and explaining them in your own terms is so easy
that's ultimately why people roast AI def cards, it's such a low bar to clear



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