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>Iroha flopped
It's never too late my friends
Simple question>New gacha system is implementedWill you keep buying pakeji?>yes/no?
>Gehenna summer event>announces new rolling system that will lead to EOSI'm noticing.
>>575336181she does this to my peanos
How I sleep knowing people who disagree with me are going to burn in hell for all eternity
>play slotmachine I like for 5.5 years>casino manager rips it out and replaces it with another one>don't like playing this one>leave the casino for goodBye
DOWN WITH NEXON
These threads will age really funny if the new system turns out to be a nothinburger. Death by a thousand cuts to all shitter outrage farmers.
Chiaki love
BA is my first and last gacha. It was too good to be true
>>575336093what is this expression meant to convey
>>575336196>jumping a flaming ship for a another sinking onenah, I pass
>>575335872>doesn't cut to Yuuka raping sensei in cosplay while recordingWaste of a post
Our desert rose has spoken
>>575336181Her butt. On my face.
>>575336196>most uma illustrators don't play the gameJust like BA they leech on the character pool but never touched the game
>>575336093ughhh... maybe the new system won't be so bad after all...
>>575336290forgot your tourist image
How do we fix the sagger problem?
>>575336272you think they suddenly revamp the entire gacha system half a decade into the game's lifespan for it to be a "nothingburger" and not make more money at the expense of players?
>>575336093GUUUUHHHH
>>575336272i wouldnt be surprised if nexon rigs rates for the first iteration of this new system to fool people into calming down outrage and then reverts rates back to scam rates once people give up
>selfproclaimed casual gacha now
>>575336227Probably not anymore. I was good goying cause I was getting all the characters. Now I'll just take it easy and focus on getting one girl per banner.
The Japanese melty can cometh. Globaltards are useless and probably plays mihoyoshit games as per usual.
>>575336093>Sanest reaction to swimsuit sagsukihttps://x.com/baobao_fan/status/2081338811062308905
As someone saves and mostly pulls on Fes, this new system is dogshit. The moment they let a Jeet from EA tack charge it goes to shit.
>>575336196I dropped uma before global became a thing so no, fuck off.
Time to try out Girl's Frontline I guess
I actually can't believe how sexy they made Iroha's EX cutscene be, holy ass I want to lick that last post came out wrong...
>>575336338But I do play...
soon
>>575336272No, what will actually happen is all the retards defending it are going to see their pyro stash start to go down and wonder how this could possibly happen. Let's talk about it again in 6 months, I'm sure we will.
>>575336316>pity doesn't carryin that case is useless, it's fine to not share permanent and featured banners but not letting them carry out is stupid considering how the rest of the gacha kusoges works
This reminds me of the freakout when Grand Assault was newly introduced and people complained about the free 10 tickets.
It has never been more over than this
My Insidious In-Law
>>575336272Even if it's a nothingburger, it completely overshadowed the actual game announcements. They obviously knew that this would happen because they didn't do this live.
>>575336196I played your game and it's dogshitmewgenics is everything I wanted out of it but better and it doesn't make me roll for cats
I thought this was legal...
How did they make this the worst half anni yet despite doing double cunny FES banner? It should be impossible to mess up that badly
>>575336196>yurislop>company takes down heterosexual art>those designs>multiple banner typesNever ever. It seems Blue Archive will forever be the final bastion against degeneracy.
>>575336330because uma gacha is worse and the free gems is 5x worse than BA. Why would they waste their time with grinding when they can just use the time to draw more?
>astrae oratio beta in a weekwas this an inside job
>>575336507>>575336316it does carry over to new banners, that's the one saving grace.
>>575336502The new system is objectively better in terms of the amount of rolls needed to get a rate up student.
I had to leave after they finished introducing all the Pandemonium alts. Man, I did not expect something like this to happen, I hope they will backtrack on this. This place will be completely unusable for the next few days. Stay safe everyone.
>>575336424kek
>>575336507But it does, not even a nip gets it
>PoE EoS due to shit update this week>BA EoS due to shit update this weekWhy must every game I like die?
>>575336389This is Nexon we are talking about. Rigged rates is nothing to them.
200 rolls is the strongest point of the current system, so comparing both system at only this point is disingenuous.
100% the guy that pushed this is hand in hand with the Stella Sora group
>>575336551Imagine if they just revert it instantly and it turns out it was just a publicity stand to show how much they "listen" to the players.
>>575336593No one cares about Anal Oraltio
>>575336593that game has a weapon gacha so even if it has old BA's spark system (highly unlikely) it will still be worse.
>>575336148and this is what people have been protestingpeople for old system always bring up>if I rolled 170 and got A, I can roll 30 extra time to get Bwhich is true but this is NOT the worst case scenario, which should be>I had to roll 200 times to get Ameanwhile the new system's worst case scenario is>I rolled 100 times for guaranteed 3*, which isn't featured, so I rolled extra 100 times to get A for surethe new system is already better considering the "worst case" scenario of never getting any 3*
>>575336331I will roll for this sagger.
>>575336196something about the horse girls personalities is off for me and I can't explain itI will continue producing
>>575336512Grand assault replaced second monthly total assault which had 1200 gems which you can spend at any time instead of putting a one month timer on it, based retard.
>>575336196Thanks mate, but I just checked my kancolle account is still alive. Back to kancolle I guess. I don't like horse sorry.
>>575336612but worse for UE rising
>>575336502Or people get the character they want in 100 rolls instead of 200. Haff the player base will need to go 200 rolls pity while half will have a nice stash saved up for FES because they won the 50/50.
>>575336593That game looks fucking terrible, even if BA dies from this change *it wont, it might even profit since the playerbase actually loves the game and the characters*. A very small percentage of players that would quit BA over this would jump shit to that game specifically, that game looks fucking terrible
>>575336561even if you excluse the garbage gacha changes they also nerfed the swimsuits which isn't a good thingPandemonium got their alts and it cost everything
Of course the SEA turbo pags are defending this shit
Emergency stream tomorrow with naked dogeza boutta go hard, hopefully at least 50 apology pulls
>>575336403Please stop posting this for some thre...You know what? Do it, rub the salt into the wounds, this day will be remembered as one of the most controversial FES in history of BAIt's like abydos FES all over again, except there isn't Shiroko Terror to counter weight the burden of Armored Hoshino
Scanning
>>575336196I used to be an /uma/ guild leader before I quit though
>>575336593Wouldn't it be hilarious if Kim announced he's leaving Nexon to work on AE with his old pals?
There's literally no downside to being angry about the new gacha system. If it's bad they might be forced to make it good. If it's good they might be forced to make it better.
The only good thing about this system is it isn't a fucking cancer as fates 900 pull Pity. It's still fucking dogs hit but it's not dogshit from a cancer dog
>>575336674most likely some rogue dev
>>575336561The crazy thing is Pandemonium literally never had an event before, but they suddenly got fes, and it's outright the best one we've ever had by miles. Victory is a beautiful thing. Almost as beautiful are the cries of our detractors.
Makoto and Satsuki swimsuits are perfect
>>575336723Only seiajeets defend this shit
>>575335567The problem is you're trying to reason with people (?) incapable of logical inference to begin withThe only concept their peanut brain is able to comprehend is "look in THIS ONE instance the old system would have been better than the new one therefore new bad old good!"
my new gfstudentwife
Can someone post the new content gamemode?
>>575336612Only for most people. About 10% of people on a banner will need to spend disproportionately more pulls. And a select smaller number will need to do that on EVERY banner. Basically, the system create additional winners at the cost of having a handful more really big losers, who they hope will spend more money.Better hope you're not one of those losers, lmao
>>575336272>nothinburger>muh fake outrageI'm yet to see how it will play out, but I might just stop spending all together >b-but the averages!They changed it solely to increase the revenue and I don't like being treated like a fucking atm despite playing a gacha
>>575336561Ibuki and Iroha both look better in 4th anni swimsuits not gonna lie. A godly yostar animation PV doesn't change the sprites.
>>575336196>yurishit>fanbase is almost as bad as genshit>most jp fans are still mad about r18nah, never.
Aren't these Gehenners a bit too vulgar and shameless?Where's their class?That's just embarrassing.
>>575336723mihomo broke their brains long ago
No more planning ahead /bag/. I want you to roll IMPULSIVELY
>>575336765NOBODY asked for this dummy
>>575336697On the bright side, it won't go to waste now that you can build up pity anytime.
>>57533668495% of the roster has none. It's all genki + 1 (one) quirk and they often forget the quirk.
Stop being greedy. You don't NEED both new characters and you especially don't NEED extra elephs if you aren't willing to pay for em.
>>575336343fix?
https://astraeoratio.plaync.com/en-us/indexhttps://astraeoratio.plaync.com/en-us/indexhttps://astraeoratio.plaync.com/en-us/indexThoughts?
>>575336196that isn't a game
My canon wife Fuuka...
>>575336816the new content gamemode
>>575336765an intelligent gookseia post... I thought I'd never see the day
>>575336681Wow bro, getting Miyako on the coinflip will really sweeten the deal for me
UNLEASH THE TACTICAL CHINKS!!!!
>>575336196>cygames with their jewish tacticsNah
Just buy pakeji
Can I get another xitter outrage screen cap please
>Seia's ASMR will probably include sloppy blowjob sound
>>575336802Am I insane for thinking those new designs so not belong in BA?Something is waay off
>>575336768>900 pull Pitysay sikeIn FEH your odds are raised by 0.5% (0.25% for the focus unit) every 5 summons + spark at 40, but also apparently at some point the game gives up raising the odds and just gives you 100% odds. But the odds to getting to that point are so low it probably happened like two or three times in the world lmao
>the best thing for this gacha system was to reduce from 300 to 200 the student exchangewhy change something that worked good so far adding more oddity?
>>575336820>Basically, the system create additional winners at the cost of having a handful more really big losers, who they hope will spend more money.Bruh, it's literally 50/50 for the playerbase if they will get the rateup character at 100 rolls. Half the players will 100% benefit from this because holy fuck, are people really aware of how horrible the base rates are for rate-up characters?
>>575336843Kim Yong-ha's mother was buried under the rubble. Kim Yong-ha went to dig her out. Just as he was about to unearth her, because the very last shovelful accidentally touched his mother ahead of time, all the debris instantly teleported back to its original position.
>>575336272>muh outrage farminggo back to your other /bag/got hugbox if you unironically think the Mihoyoshit system is good. Zoomoids do not know the depths of depravity Nexon would do to milk bootlicking faggots like you.
They better not force this shit on NA before we get to enjoy the last bits of the old system.
>>575336959there's no point in posting more, pic rel will never be topped by anything
>>575336343I will simply hold them up all day every day
>>575336451stop right there, tell me who drew these kei tits
>>575336740>Please stop posting this for some thre...honestly I think you're right. I'm really not having fun right now anyway...>It's like abydos FES all over again, except there isn't Shiroko Terror to counter weight the burden of Armored Hoshinoit's not realy the same situation. the banners are not the problem here
So I guess Stella Sora did really killed us after all.
>>575336196Sorry, I only coom to Satono Diamond once per month and thats it
>>575336227Not unless they revert the change. I only spent money because the game felt generous and not too greedy. It doesn't feel that way anymore.
>>575336196Im Auto Training Trackblazer for Grand Live parents nigga
>>575336820You are pinpointing on a SINGLE set of banners. As soon as you go to multiple sets of banners the new system is not only much better on average, but much better in the bad luck scenarios. If you have 1200 rolls and want to roll on 6 sets of banners, the chance of success with the new system is 75% compared to 56% with the old system.
>>575336843i have 200k in pulls and 28k eligma, bwo.
> new pity system unironically encouraging the strategy of stopping the 100 free pulls at 90 so you can carry the 90 pity over into Ibooty banner the next day
>>575336952>buy pakeji>they see that the change works>they make the system worse somehow later down the line
>>575336892Day 1 play after the BA fiasco
>>575336741ok there are some funny replies here lmao
>>575336740>burdenpls, people adore her
>>575336196As someone who plays uma, I would never ask anyone to start playing this game. I would much rather they pour that energy into doing something for the betterment of humanity like learning blender to make sweet porn. There is not a single benefit to playing uma.
>>575337061Not even a Nexon game
I thought asians were supposed to be good at math, why are they upset?
Current Nexon CEO is from EA btw.
>>575336978>the quintessential rebellious school girl look of the modern era>"doesn't fit"You're simply out of touch
guys I think you're forgetting about the elephs now it's harder to get them...
>>575336741it's easy to bring up scenario like that when you intentionally left out the "win condition">why is the bully doesn't stop when hitting the "win" roll at 199th>what happens when the 100th punch is "won">leaving out "winning" punch all the way that aren't 100th and 200thfor gacha roll too, people kept talking as if you never rolled a single 3* from 1-199th
I'm gonna make a gacha where the gameplay is actually goodCan't come up with the story reason for only having girls tho
Thanks for helping to fund your junior game that's losing money due to yuri and female protag shilling.
>>575336196Zarathustra returned again into the visual novels to the solitude of his moege, and withdrew himself from gacha
For all shills, rats, fags and retards not native to /bag/:I WILL NOT PLAY YOUR FUCKING RETARDED PET GACHASEven if BA hits fucking EOS next week or next year, I won't be leaving one gacha for another, it's like going from crack to heroine, completely pointless. Fuck off with your retarded, LGBTQ friendly slop. I couldn't care less, go fuck yourselves.-Anon
>>575337130being a gacha player counteracts being an asian
The sole fact that there's EVEN an outrage means the fes was a failure.Games celebrating anniversaries is where everyone should be happy.
>>575337132apparently he's (((swedish)))
>>575337032It'd be pretty funny if they implemented it early specifically before Niko and Kurumi's banners since you need both for the crab, this new system is at its worst when you're in that scenario of needing both characters and getting one of them after 100 rolls
yostah
>>575336656What happened to PoE? I skipped the league because of the shit rewards
>>575337006Yes, and a small number of the players will get screwed, have way less characters, be able to roll on fewer banners, etc. Again, if the new system is instituted, better hope you're not one of the losers; you don't have a choice in the matter, no planning will help you.
>>575336674>>575336779it was the new nexon chairman 100% (former EA VP)has nothing to do with yostar
>>575336196No, I will not waste my time setting up a vpn to play your dogshit game and I will much less play troon central (global).Your game can and should die for all I care.
so how fucked is the new pity system bros?
>>575337087New system carries over the pulls?
BA won't get more new players. Nexon is just milking their dwindling current playerbase.
>>575336343problem?
>>575337061>did really killed us
>>575337149Don't worry, they coincidentally just added new eleph pakejis to the JP shop!
IF nexon does NOT reverse this change, I will give A;0 a single unique genuine to hook me up, a SINGLE chancePreviously I would have never considered this a possibility because I enjoy BA too muchBut this shitty gacha change upset me THAT much to consider giving the traitors a single chance
>>575337149No they're not!>*swipes adult card*
>>575336765Anon, they are doing it because they want more money, of course it will be worse for (you), there is no point to change it if it was for the same results
>>575337130because they did the math already, if they're one step ahead of pf us is because they first analyzed the new system and then reacted.
>>575337206yep, bag didn't even talk about the gameplay additions after the clusterfuck announcement
How will people be sure that the 50/50 at 100 will be 50/50 and not rigged?
>>575337149It is harder to get them and now you'll be likely stuck with a student that's not even that good at 3* instead of getting an easy ue30 or ue40
>>575336978I think the gacha changes are a steaming pile of dogshit but I like the new Gehenna students a lot.
>>575337250If you have 400 rolls and want to roll for 2 limiteds each on 2 sets of banners the new system gives a higher chance of success. The retards hating on it are focusing on only the case of a single set of banners.
I didn't watch the stream and have no idea what's going on, but it looks like Gehenn* killed the game.
>>575337087At 99, not 90>>575337259Yes
>gehenoid fest caused another meltdownMika was right
>>575337206I'm happy. I can always just jerk off to the art.
>>575337147It's a noisy design choice. It even adds g*nsh*n asymmetry in the tokens on her head.But you are probably right, I am usually out of touch since BA is the only gacha I play
you know, if they kept the current recruitment points and added the new 50/50 system on top of it, it would've actually been a good system
>>575337285It's up to you, but don't forget gacha weapon. That's all
>>575337213new shilled ascendancy was shit so tens of thousands of players that got duped into playing it quit
>>575336196I already played gbf, I'm never touching cyslop ever again
>>575337130That's the Chinks.
>>575337272I can see her genitals
>>575337206The fact that there's outrage is proof it is a success. Do you really think literal tranny gacha players would be coming here to seethe if something bad happened to BA? It's the opposite.
>>575337149Wait, what are they doing now?
That one nigga keeps trying to shill AO but that game is so unappealing nobody gives a shit lmao
>>575337206I mean. This string of shitposting happens after every stream. The difference is the gacha change talk is not going to go away. It'll basically be brought up every banner moving forward.The funny part to me is imagining someone in the boardroom straight up saying "A lot of our fans will defend us regardless and won't even question why we'd change the gacha system in the first place!"
I'm here from /hsrg/ to send our official condolences.
>>575337347How will people be sure the 0.7% rate up is not rigged?
>>575336290same except I knew something like this would happen eventually because>Nexon
>>575337347How can you be sure the rates right now are as they say they are? You just have to hope they're not lying
>>575337180You don't have toJust don't add males and never bother explaining it
>>575337347Its easy to calculate, they'd get sued out the ass by someone looking over the details if it wasn't genuine, especially since people have their eye on Nexon now after that maplestory lootbox stunt
>>575337206Imagine the audience reaction if there was one to attend this announcement
>>575337413>any time people complain about a change, it's because it's actually goodtruly a 140+ IQ post
>>575337130Too many scenarios.The one you should focus on is pitting the systems against a dual banner rateup and not single banner or cases when you try to get 4+ copies/elephrolling
>>575337180>Can't come up with the story reason for only having girls thohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SexmissionJust copy a plot from an old polish movie bro>the MC gets into a hibernation pod>the end of the world happens>only girls now and they reproduce asexually in the tubes>you get unfrozen and you have to teach them about sex
>>575337413No one cares about outrage here. There's outrage everywhere.
>>575337291LMAOING @ the retarded paypigs who decide to stop spending "in protest of the new system" when they add the highest value pakeji they've ever released in the same patch lol
TouristGOD here. What do you mean they added 50/50? I thought your gacha doesn't have standard bricks or not what do you lose your 50/50 to? You mean students from that other banner that requires different kind of pulls (BP and such)? Because you was never guaranteed to pull your desired student even when the screen gets purple, i don't get it
>>575336978People said the same thing about the Wildhunt students.
>>575337446that's the least /hsrg/ I've seen.
>>575336979>say sikeMy bad it's 330 pulls which is basically 3 full sparks for us. 900 is how many sq you need to spend to reach that
>Gehennawank puts the game on life supportNot the first time this happened lmao
>>575337391Literally all they had to do was not make it reset and people would be praising the system
>The new gacha system is just awful, truly truly the worst. Don't copy gacha methods like those in Chinese games, please go back to how it was!
the whole point of a spark system IS to prevent the worst case scenario from happeningbut retards shilling the new system would never engage with that
>>575337285I'm not gonna stoop that low personally. I'll just go back to playing my previous game. it's a dogshit game but at least it's not predatory like that (and AO's actionslop combat system sucks anyway, all games that use similar system suck balls)
>>575337429the new 50/50 pity system resets when you get a featured characterit is shit when trying to get elephs for that student
>>575337087>Save 90 points for PEEbuki>Do 100 pull 50/50>"RABBIT 1 Tsukiyuki Miyako, waiting orders Sensei!">Reset to 0
coom in Nozoom.
>>575337560This but unironically
>>575337085Yes, the point is that people are okaying a handful getting screwed if they have a higher chance of being more lucky themselves. Though they may end up being one of the unlucky ones no matter what they do. The old system screwed people less, which Nexon wants to change: A larger group of people getting screwed over means more people who might spend money. The point is increasingly bifurcating the distribution of players, adding more variance, to make it so while there is more lucky players, there are also more unlucky ones to buy the pakeji.
>>575337087inb4 3 counters for anni limited, limited and standard so you can't do that
>>575337397The merc one? lmaothey really don't want people to have fun
>>575337587kek
>>575337201You will play Momoi's mobage though, right?
>>575337250Every roll on a banner you get pity points only for that bannerIf you roll 50 times for satsuki you only get 50 pity for satsuki ONLY. Pity points no longer shared between banners.
>first fes where there's no live audience>nexon pulls this shit gacha changeThe devs really lost a lot of support with this shitty behavior.
>>575337582Oh, I never bothered rolling for the sake of powering up a character. I'm just happy to have them.
>>575337413Every japanese player is a tranny?
>>575337587no more cheating, sensei
>>575337556No wonder I like chewwy even more
Where's the paid battlepass??If we're going to Genshitify let's go the whole nine yards Kim
>>575337347This is what statistics are for. People will keep track of pulls fora group of players and if it's roughly 50% of winning or losing, then it's working as intended.
Assuming that the new pity system really is cheaper on average: why did they do it? Don't they want to make more money?Are the additional gift pakejis bought by whales now that they don't get crafting mats form unclaimed pity points really worth it?Or do they believe that the psychology of the new system will make people swipe more instead of saving, so that even though on average it takes fewer pulls per student, they will get more students and thus more pulls overall?
>>575337446I'll go back to play HSR if they make a new kafka alt but there's zero news about it. Amphoreus flopped lole.
>>575336593The real inside job is Project RX.
>yfw this is all 4d chess to crater BA and push its players towards new projects
>>575337557that would've worked too, yeah
>>575337693You never finished a spark at 190?
>>575337624The chance of being screwed over a long timer period is lower with the new system. And by "long" I mean literally 400 rolls or 4 months of F2P income. The new system is better for everyone as long as you average it over 4 months.
Are we moving to Zenless Zone Zero?
>>575337504Actually this kind of fucks>mc wakes up in a woman-only world>they don't have sex>hundreds of years ago a scientist invented longevity tech and gave it to everyone>somehow, only women survived>they forgot about sex>the scientist is you
>>575337272Good post
>>575337382I didn't get it until I met a friend who explained it and now I love mentally ill women
>>575337673Wow that's fucking gay. Gayshit Fagpact was a fucking mistake.
They could save this if they just kept the 200 hard pity instead of the reset.
>>575337720Hello retarded tourist we've had battle passes for a full year now
>>575337201base also same
>>575336892soulful 2d designskind of shit from a butt 3dI can see it going two ways, either it's a generic budget game, in which case it dies and nothing of value was lost. Or they have something magical up their sleeve, like all cutscenes including the most mundane ones have bespoke mocapped performances that make subpar 3d character models worthwhile, in which case it still might die but at least it'll be remembered fondly. Surely SOMEONE paid attention and noticed that BA lives off being a top notch chibigame, not a decent png game
Alright, I have calmed down with the help of the tea, really regret pulling all nighter for this, maybe I and many others overreacted a bit at first and the mood got brought down a lot in bag, but how else did nexon/yostar expected people to react after doing this?>they literally copypasted the most hated gacha system from genshin>pulled a non-live stream after delaying it's announcement for a month>doesn't announce more changes to archive banner or doesn't demonstrate the new system in action>new content is trincket farming? no elaborationI blame mostly Yostar for this shit, hopefully they will respond to the outrage soon
>>575337774Yes sis, see you there!
You're talking as if you are going through 200 pulls all the time
>>575337048https://x.com/watosu_mama/status/2081377666905833550you are in luck nigger
>>575337730What is this retard talking about?
>>575337557>all they had to do was add the good part of the system and not the bad partwell yeah, duh
Only lucklets understand the true pain.I know the real hell. I once spent 200 pulls without getting a single pink, not even a dupe. And consistently have to double spark.
>>575337751I would get the other girl. I wouldn't get the same one twice.
it's actually easier to reach UE30 and UE40>got a student at 3 star>instantly level to 4 star with accompanying ligma>buy a pack to 5 star>another for UE40what, you're telling me you want to buy pyrox to ROLL and not buy student ligma OUTRIGHT? what are you, an addict?UE50 and UE60 are already gigawhale territory old or new system, that doesn't change shit, if anything they're even better off now that you can buy 2 UE outright>but what if you rolled a 3 stargo roll 40 times and see if you get any, pack buyer already have 50 eleph plus gifts plus featured 120 student ligma
>>575337772If it was better they wouldn't change it.
>>575337720They announced two paid battlepasses. One same as 4.5/5 and the other doesn't even have furniture + it's reset completely if you don't login for one day.
>>575337687tee-hee~
>>575337720Bwo those have been a thing for a year now.
>this kills your pity
>>575337391The rolls carry over between banners now so it's a tradeoff to the new system
mathematically, how is the new system better?
>>575337272the post that saved /bag/
>>575337774>Are we moving to a game with a terrible story and a garbage gacha systemno
>>575337736it's not working if that's the actual plan. all it's gonna achieve is make whales quit the game and never play a nexon game ever again
>>575337727Planarcadia might be worse than Amph....
garbage hoyoshit system aside, who's the fes and who's the swimsuit banner afterwards?Didn't watch stream and that's pretty much all I'll care about
>>575336612it's also setup in a way that incentivices impulse rolling
>>575337839Many thanks
Keep in mind the most controversial change we had before was the archive banner, because newbabs wouldn't get certain useful students as spooks anymore. Even if it was otherwise a change for the better, not a fucking sidegrade. Now compare it to this.
why do they want more money tho? They already make a shit ton out of this chibi/2d game, where the money is gonna go?
>>575337861>I would get the other girl.Under the new system you won't be able to do that either
wait how do i get crafting mats if i luckshit a girl i want in 50 rolls in the new system?
>>575337870Yeah Nexon never changes things for the bettter. The spark cost reduction from 300 to 200 was to fuck over the players.
>>575337923ZZZ fucking mogs BA nigga
>what are we moving to?nothing, we sink with the shipgentlemen... despite all the mean things you called me, it has been an honor
>>575337947Chiaki freeMakoto and Satsuki on the 100 free rollsIroha Ibuki Fes
>>575337268What about this?
>50/50 is good, actuallyENTER
>>575337906no but my averages! Variance? What's that?
>>575336272That's not how anonymous trolling works.The Stella Sora gacha outrage ended up being a nothingburger, but there was nothing to laugh about. Everyone pretended like they were always in support of it.
>>575337772Nope, the chances of needing to go to 200-250 pulls is higher now, even if less people need to go to 400 or 200. They are hoping those players forced into that situation more often will spend money. Better hope it's not you.
>>575337887the pity resets only when featured is obtainedif you roll makoto banner and satsuki showed up, it doesn't reset because she's not featured in makoto's banner, the same way you don't get 100 eleph when limited B showed up in limited A banner
>>5753377275.x path is leaked to be finality so finality kafka might be an actual thing who knows
>>575338009They don't have Momoi
>>575338009in terms of ASS yeah
>>575337736they won't have me, if BA ends so will my time playing gacha
>>575337906>I posted it again award
In the end, she actually hates you.
>>575338009>ZZZ fucking mogs BA nigganigger you have bara kung fu panda in your game, you are mogging nobody
>>575338046I don't think you understand what variance meansOr perhaps you don't realize the new system has lower variance
>>575338051I'm not talking about a SINGLE set of banners. I'm talking about TWO sets of banners with TWO banners each. If you have 400 rolls to spend on SSatsuki, SMakoto, SIroha, and SIbuki, the new system is better than the old system.
The gayest thing about this whole kerfuffle is that permanent and limited banners no longer share pity/spark counters
>>575338004The spark change was done in response to outrage and an extremely poor launch. You niggers are really going to act like it was a charity from Nexon to make a point. Wow.
>>575337446Right back at you, I hear your game has actual males in the fucking gacha, I'm so sorry.
>>575336593>weapon gacha>cheap 3D models>some of doremi's worst work design-wise >gameplay is HSRslop >setting is lame Harry Potter shitYou couldn't make it more repellant if you tried
>>575337906 >at< 200 (the amount of pulls almost everyone prepares and stops at barring FES) your odds are lower by 25% to get both students on the banner
>>575338016so long funny korean ako
>Gehenna chapterSo you guys finally happy?>>575336093SEX CREAMPIE BUCKET TO SATSYKI
https://www.dlsite.com/home/work/=/product_id/RJ01678178.htmlhttps://www.dlsite.com/home/work/=/product_id/RJ01678210.htmlMiyo and Seia ASMRs are out, looking at the blurb...Miyo: Has a situation where Sensei and Miyo has to hide in the locker together to evade the patrolSeia: yoga together, teatime, ear cleaning, shampooing, shower?
>>575337896what stopped them from making that single change to the old system, exactly? or, like the other anon said, what stopped them from not making it reset when you get the rate up?why does it even matter if it carries over now when you're gonna get your rate up when rolling and it'll reset anyway no matter how many pulls you did?
Did they even announce any Bond items?
>>575337504>>575337776the twist is that their female leader is a crossdressing guy.
>>575338017Thanks
>>575337687>no live audienceyeah no shitmolotovs would be thrown if they dropped that live
Ive never rolled to 400 on a double banner before, I would kill myself if that happened.
>>575336227Will buy up till foxes, if the new gacha fucks me up bad, I'm going f2pI think Iroha's bikini is trash, don't care about her exclusive furniture, so I'm skipping battle pass this time
>>575338016Yeah, see you on the other side my friend. t. Balding 40 years old male
HERE'S YOUR NEW GACHA SYSTEMOPEN WIDE, SENSEI!
Iroha Status?
>>575338147It's somehow still better than endfield's panda
>>575337774>Check new character trailer>YurislopRumao, never change hoyotroons.
>>575338009fr fr no cap my diddy blud show that unc we zzz playaz wuz niggas and shiet cuhIt's so funny how obvious the tourists are, it's like /bag/ is a whole 10 years older than the rest of the board
>>575337774no, fuck off>>575337201
>>575337906https://x.com/miyabi_sun/status/2081361129851470168
>>575336612Why would Nexon change the gacha in a way that makes people spend less money?>but what about these other past changes?The difference is that the game is currently doing fine. They don't need to change the gacha to save players - literally nobody has been complaining about the gacha system.
>>575338146
>already deleting the replies >https://x.com/Blue_ArchiveJP/status/2081354265256468538
>>575338009i like the bunny and the angels but thats it
>>575338039>50/50 fail for MiyakoNevermind, I hate the new system
>>575337720Never had this issue because I'm a luckchad, sucks to be you.
I know /bag/ is not familiar with this (since most anons never played FGO), but on FGO a similar situation happened in 2024 during their 9th Anniversary.The TLDR is that Sony introduced a HUGE meta change into the game that forced you to roll for multiple dupes to keep up.The live audience HATED the change and thousands of players started to BOO and scream at the Live Stage during the Anniversary announcement.The japanese backlash in twitter was so strong that Sony had to backpeddal and revert the changes.
>>575338214thanks for the reminder
old system>for every bluefes you need to prepare 400 rolls to ensure you get both studentsnew system>for every bluefes you need to prepare 400 rolls to ensure you get both and its more likely to get both students earlierwhats the problem here? cant do math?
>>575338170What does this even mean
>>575338203I was supposed to be happy but 3 limiteds, no welfare and the gacha system being more jewy ruined all that
>>575338004The cost reduction was simple change and a desperate attempt to get people play the game when it launched. This is a garbage change to break a people's habit of scheduling their pulls around sparks.
I mostly only roll on fes and this new system 100% makes it br no reason to pull on other banners
>>575338009How did you like the story in 2.X :)
I'm not sure how to feel about these new changes but I do have a rekindled desire to have a wholesome threesome with Hina and Iroha with lots of kissing after seeing Iroha summer in that PV
I don't remember the last time /bag/ was this fucking bad on stream dayI wish all general-hopping tourists would fuck off forever
>>575338009furries can suck my asshole
MiyACKo
>>575337978I'm a newfag and have instantly dropped the gameNot gonna sit here and on average have 1/4th less characters on my rolls compared to established players lmao, literal cuckchair shit
>>575338009In maybe gameplay only despite it being very barebones. ZZZ story is fucking garbage compared to BA and the characters in BA shit on everyone in ZZZ combined. The game is far less tame than BA too in both designs and conversations
the carryover system is kind of pointless to me if i get it right, if i get what i wanted why would i keep rolling? in that case i would have nothing to carry, the only situation where it makes sense to keep going is during fest but even then i would be more inclined to save for an upcoming banner and get new spooks along the way, the only place i can see the carryover being a positive is when i pull in random banners to not let the ticket expire
>>575338386There is no change of habit needed. If you were responsible the new changes are better for you.
>>575338009ZZZ has 10x more loading screens than BA, why is it even 3D if its just Bethesda level incompetence
>>575338271at any rate I am not playing games with males in them, doubly so if they are designed to appeal to barafags and musclesissyhomos.I would had played ZZZ for Vivian if not for their disgusting dudes stopping me from doing so.
>>575338354Crazy considering fgo is the shittiest gacha ever made and jp usually eat it up
>>575338323>They don't need to change the gacha to save players - literally nobody has been complaining about the gacha systemUhhh, don't think about it too much. Just clap for the new thing and consooom
>>575337498When the people that are complaining about it are proven degens, such as from gachas with literal cuckshit, yuri, or males, then yeah, I find it hard to find this fes bad just because it has lolis and none of that. In fact I'd say that's part of why it's great and so much better than other gachas. And it's Blue Archive, it's never going to die any time soon, if a change was actually bad it'd get reverted, it's way too important and profitable. So I'll just enjoy the screeches of the damned.
I can barely get aroused by Ibuki I'm so bothered
>>575337272
It will turnout that nigger can't read jap and got it all wrong
The way people are talking about the new gacha system you'd think they made it impossible to pull Featureds aside from the 100th/200th pull
>>575338405The stream that introduced battlepasses had a similar meltdown.
>>575338354Yeah they probably learned from that event which is why there was no live audience this time
/trick/ laughing at us....
>the biggest uppity faggots of /vg/ got their shitty png chibislop gacha fucking MURDERED Good riddance. Fuck you cunts I'm so fucking glad your shitty forced industry plant slop is sinking. The most forced and fakest fandom I've ever seen.
>>575338354yostar prepped for this by not having a live audience. genuinely will BA hit the same scale of backlash FGO had though?
How do I feel about the new system, /bag/?
>>575338386>break a people's habit of scheduling their pulls around sparks.TBF I hate persons with better self-control that myself so, it is a good change
WHORE
>>575337861If you get the girl you wanted at 190 under the new system the spark is reset, you'd have to start from 0 if you wanted the other girl.You're a bit better off if you were rolling for one girl but way worse off if you wanted both
>>575338016unironically this, imagine going for another gacha, let alone chinkshit.
>>575338486gay
>>575338354Sony?
>>575338424There are people that throw a few rolls every banner 'in case they get lucky'
>>575338517it wasn't this bad because you can ignore it.This one affects everyone.
We got too cheeky this time. Its downhill from here
>>575338528Yeah! Nexon paid for all those doujins at comiket! Every single year!You tell em!
>>575338543bad in terms of eleph
>um, muh weapon banner LE BADim not poor and can afford to top up to pull for shit like that but have you seen pyro prices in ba?>muh new eleph packageswho gives a shit about elephs
>>575338558Objectively false as soon as you go over a time horizontal of more than 1 banner.
>>575338365people against the new system always conveniently leaving out the guaranteed 3* at 100th rolland when pity resets you'll get second 100th guarantee count toowhat's worse with new system is the UE hunter which, to be completely honest, is easily alleviated with buying packbecause SOME PEOPLE THINK BUYING GEMS TO ROLL IS SOMEHOW BETTER THAN BUYING STUDENT OUTRIGHT WHILE BASHING THE "better average" OF NEW SYETEM LMAO
>>575337272I now have to decide to jerk off and get to work
>>575338162If you are f2p, you will only ever roll on 50 banners maximum (unless blue archive is forever, which I wouldn't complain about). That's hardly enough to course correct for, what, a million players? Maybe an eight of those people will have much, much worse luck on the new banner system. Nexon is going to milk those players for all they are worth, or they will quit playing. Lots of money to be made.If you're fine with that, then cool. Just be realistic that you may fall into that group.
>>575338009I don't want to cope with chinese trash ass designs + censor, Hoyopags are mindfucked catle
>120k Japs saw the gacha announcement live>JPs already are having a meltdownMeanwhile, the hecking wholesome Global /bag/got audience will support these changes. Surely it's a nothingburger. Surely there wasn't any historical precedent with Nexon fucking up a well-established system to psychologically coax more people into spending more than they should. Wait, what's that? They lost the maplestory lawsuit? They were legally proven in court that they fake their rate-ups and outright lie? Surely they won't do that again with Bruaka, right?God some of you people are just fucking gullible.
>>575338445There is, because previously everybody sane always rolled 200 to get one student and were happy when they sparked the other. New system completely erases that mindset.
>>575338162Pretty much every study I have seen has shown that people have a very hard time grasping probabilities and expected outcomes. "Rational Decision-Making under Uncertainty: Observed Betting Patterns on a Biased Coin" is a fascinating paper on the subject.
>>575338552my whores
>>575338265Her swimsuit is absolute ass...
Why do people go to other gacha generals to shill their other gacha every time something goes wrong, is this like some SEAnigger thing, they're always at the ready the second something goes wrong
Why are we making fun of ZZZ their game is literally more popular and beloved....
>>575338676The math says it's okay, stop being such a baby
>>575336196i play uma and i cant even recommend it to anyoneif someone already hates how the gacha of BA will become, then they will ragequit uma. the game makes rolling for character extremely easy, like the current BA gacha. It's the support cards that will kill any new or returning players. the game would feel more aimless when they cant play in PvP contents, it doesnt have that many story contents either.
>>575338636I will pay money to get cute girls.I will not pay money to get fucking ligma
>>575337842Previously:>BA has a spark system where after 200 rolls you can spark for any of the current banners.Now:>The livestream for the biyearly anniversary arrives>Long neglected students get their own event and alts (Clap Clap Clap)>Gehenna gets their own main story Volume, finally getting some focus in the story (Clap Clap Clap)>This is followed up by announcing they're removing the spark system for the new 50/50>People start shitflinging as some people hate the change and others are trying to support it with math.
The way GA tickets are gonna force people into sacrificing their built up pity after going to 90/190 on some past failed banner is gonna be hilarious
>>575338528sorry we stole your artists from whatever shitty game you play kid
>>575338528And at last the tranny reveals himself, keep being a jealous bitch till the day you die.
Satsuki's saggsukis are making me indifferent to the terrible gacha changes...
>>575338517Not this bad, but it was pretty bad.
>>575338354The NP8 change? I thought they didnt back pedal it, instead they refunded everyone who already owned dupes because the change literally bricked characters who spent their eleph equivalent
>>575338663You don't understand. As soon as you go over 400 rolls it's easier to get unlucky with the old system than the new system. The new system ELMINATES bad luck.
come home gacha man
do NOT look up who the current Executive Chairman of Nexon is
>>575336310>Put it in
>>575338676>the hecking wholesome Global /bag/got audience will support these changesjust look at this >>575328279
>>575338365What if you get lucky in less than 200 rolls for 1 student>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but the averagesEssentially you will be spending more 200 pulls on average, sure, less double sparking, but it's not like you double sparked more than 3 banners per year, right?
>>575338584Sony owns aniplex
>>575338486her swimsuit is dogshit so I don't blame you
>>575338784holy GUH
>>575337087oh shiiit I really hope I don't get any of the sags now
>>575338752>more popular and belovedLMAO
>>575338424It's for people who want to waste their pyrox in case they get lucky.
It's was downhill after Volume F.
>>575338424I like to use a 10-roll or two on banners I wouldn't ever roll on otherwiseThey usually go to waste but on the other hand I've pulled several students I would have never gotten otherwise. Pity carry-over is obviously a good thing for this particular use-case and pointless otherwise, it's just bait for impulse-rollers
>>575338775Why the fuck would I have built up pity? I roll until I get someone then the pity resets to 0.
>>575338584Yeah Sony owns FGO, is actually under the Sony Music Division and overseen directly by AniplexThe Studio that developed FGO previously (Delight Works) ran into a huge debt because they invested all their FGO money into making another gacha (that closed down in 3 months) and sold their rights to the FGO development to Sony.Now FGO is owned by both Sony and TypeMoon (they write the lore)
>>575338752Their game is comically bad. Furslop, males, yuri, among other things. BA stands so far above them I just gotta shake my head and laugh.
>>575338751I think there are just one retard who did this for all general
People are overreacting>Study has been done that proved mihoyo system is better>it is only bad because of weapon gacha, dupe, and an extremely limited pool of old permanent characters (7 guys)
>>575338798The art style they chose was a terrible mistake
>>575338876Not really
>>575338762>the game makes rolling for character extremely easynigga what, they have the same rate and pity as us.
>the new system made things easier to get new students but worse to get dupes and 5* or UE themthat's it no need to argue anymore
>>575338016I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOUGod every time I think about filtering every stupid gookako picture because they're always accompanied by the most DOGSHIT postI get a gookako GempostAnd I reconsiderI HATE YOU!!!!!!!!!
At this point they should just EoS Blue Archive and make a proper high budget game. We are in the age of HSR/ZZZ/Wuwa and even Genshin is still relevant
>>575338789They refunded then lowered the amount needed and then some time later allowed you to swap active appends if you didn't have all.
You guys are acting like the new gacha system is set in stone. A lot of nips are complaining about it, so there’s a good chance they won’t go through with it. Just wait a few days for the announcement.
>>575338803>a swedeDios mio god help us
>>575338751Its sort of like MMO tribal mentality, its the gacha game they sunk their teeth, money and time into so they want it to survive and prosper above all others, which means they'll lash out and try to recruit others to their shit at every given opportunity
>>575338836>>575338905how utterly grim
>>575338751unironically discord niggersdoesn't matter where they are from
>>575336196>playing yurigedo umanigger really?
>>575338798Looks gay
>>575338828Those other places dont have SeiajeetsTheyre the fucking cancer of /bag/ thats why this place is so shit
>>575338798Forced artstyleDishonest developersWeapon gacha (lol)
>>575336093I cum
>>575338798I don't care about magic, I want GUNS
>>575338751our game buckbreaks people just by existingpopularity is a double edged sword.
Akane Love!John Nexon betrayed us, not rolling again after school uniform Akane
>>575338803Do not look up Nexon's credibility rating with handling live service games before BA.
>>575338803
>>575338794Example - need to roll 4 banners because you are missing 4 fes students200 nothing, 400 nothing, 600 nothing, got one at 790. 10 rolls for 550 ligmanow200 1 PU, 400 2 PU, 600 3 PU, 790 4 PU, no ligma
>>575338636I WANT TO GAMBLE WITH NO CONSEQUENCES
>get a jew chairman>jew tactics appearsigh
Jumby my beloved...
We are so popular all other generals want us to play their failed games
>>575336892No fat tits at all so even less interested than already was. Hard fucking pass.
Artists will soon realize that BA is a sinking ship and move back to Genshin like it was during covid. All there's left for us in the future is AI slop
>>575338365>>575338636old system, double banner>reach 100, 3*>not what I wanted>reach 190, 3*>get what I wanted, but there's also the other girl that I want>reach 200>spark what I wanted, I can leave with 2 desired students and 1 extra, the rolling stops herenew system, double banner>reach 100, 3*>not what I wanted>reach 190, 3*>get what I wanted because it's a guarantee, but I want the other girl too>reach 200>WHOOPS YOU HAVE TO ROLL ALL OVER AGAINIt's good on average if it's a solo banner. But sucks if it's not.
>>575338794It makes sure more people end total end up over 200. The number of people who went to 400 before was very, very small, and will be even smaller now, that's true. But more people will get screwed over total, by being forced to spend more than a single spark. The total pool of "losers" increases.
>>575336093>We're helping this club but it's actually secretly a cult of Thunder emperor apologists who wants to take over Gehenna and somehow they got us in the balls due to some plot device they found out (maybe a key to that chest they hinted in one of the PVs), forcing us to help them>It gets so bad Makoto and Hina have to join forces to counter the insurgencyHow much of a plot twist would that be?
>>575339086it should've been a jew, not wojack
the gacha changes suck but I don't think they'll kill the gameif they really wanted to get more money they should develop the gameplay side of things, then lock some student growth thing behind gacha. boom, metafags have to pay up, but if you just want a girl for ownership and momos you can have her>>575339086Minecraft was best under Notch tho
>>575338752>ZZZ>popular>belovedBro ZZZ was "doing so badly" that they utterly fucked it and divorced themselves from its founding ideals, making it increasingly similar to other more popular franchises in a desperate entity to shake off its actual interesting identity for a more generic one. Naturally, it has a messy fanbase as a result.
smoene share the asmr
>>575338943Mihomo system would be okay for BA if BA didn't have double banners every month. If it was just single banners there's no question about it.
>>575338751speaking from personal experiencea lot of BA-like games (i.e. games with many girls) hates BA because we """stole""" artists away from drawing for their game and they harbors a grudge for that.cough cough princonne cough cough
>>575336978Yeah they kinda look like vtubers.
>>575338636>is easily alleviated with buying packHi John Nexon.
Reading Japanese comments on X... they are *not* happy. There are thousands of comments and I have yet to see a single one that is positive.
>>575338876Honestly around EX and especially today I think the game is definitely better than ever.>>575339049The unstoppable power of cunny and heterosexuality.
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/11866468?q=satsuki_%28blue_archive%29+@Arona, give me instructions how to change sensei's skin color to white
>>575338803>former EA executive vice president joined nexon on February 2026coincidence?
>>575339153kek, true
>>575338365If you have 200 rolls and decide to go for 1 unit, in old system if you pull one of the two at 130 pulls you can get both guaranteed.New system? You get 1 out of 2 at 130 pulls and thats it. IF you decide to keep pulling you are just gambling for the 0.7%.
>>575338836>>575338905Sure but that's a little disingenuous. Sony is a giant that probably never ever steps in and forces their hand upon their smaller subsidiaries until it's too late. It's like saying Unilever are responsible for canceling the premium Lipton milk tea line. It's not really accurate, is it?
>>575339175The higher chance of going below 200 balances out the chance of going above 200 in terms of success rate in as soon as 2 sets of banners.
Thoughts?
>>575338354>>575338789>There are "humans" still playing FGO>There are "humans" still playing FGO global (Forever 2 years behind)>Albert, the most disgusting SEAnigger ever still exists and is in charge of anything
>>575338943BA having 2 characters every time fucks it. It's alright otherwise https://x.com/White_1024fR/status/2081358219952402809
>>575338963Thats just a patch over it though, its better than the original system but it still means they implemented the system in the endI quit FGO now anyways so I'm slowly forgetting everything
>>575339175*It makes sure more people total end up over 200
EOS DEFCON-2
Damm I can't believe 3 games I play are simultaneously having a meltdown.
>>575339130You're ignoring chance of winning the 50/50.
>>575339032saggy tits and pits...
>>575336093This kill the flat justicekeks and ass purist trannies.
>>575338798You bet your ass of that if there is a weapon gacha, there will be a 50/50 system
>>575339205ZZZ is objectively more popular worldwide than Blue Archive what the fuck are you talking about. No way you're actually trying to arue that it's no. Nexon simply can't compete with Hoyoverse, they can't even compete with KURO and whoever makes Arknights IP.
>>575339316A firm flop...
>>575338960>the new system made things easier to get new students but worse for metafagsAlright, you convinced meI better not lose the fucking coinflip for Pandemonium FES, still a scummy move by Yostar, I expect reworks and apologems because someone in the corpo hq got paid to literally copy paste genshin system into BA, this is peak incompetency.
>>575339415You said it eliminates bad luck. So I brought a scenario with equally bad luck.
>>575338626That implies you actually want to pull on banners often. Most of them are pointless.
>>575339193I was thinking of ways for BA to get more money and I always thought they would go for something like a skin gacha, something not directly tied to what we already have, like an extra layer.this is pretty much the worst way to go, it's not THAT bad but it is unironically worse than what we have. even if they revert it or make it so that you aren't as fucked for rolling the rateup at 190 it still looks really bad for them.
>>575339165You mean zzz genshit it's rotten already
>>575338516You should ALWAYS assume the worst because it CAN happen to you.>b-but it doesn't I'm a luckchadIt will, I curse you for being a faggot.
So what are the kits of everyone do we know
>>575337784I mean... we don't know them personality wise yet
>>575339307It does for some people, but not all. That's the point. Again, just admit you're okay with more people needing to spend more rolls total because the majority will be on average luckier. That's what the facts are in the new system.
>>575339146But he's swedish?
slurp rero rero rero slurp slurp
>>575338905>(Delight Works) ran into a huge debt because they invested all their FGO money into making another gacha (that closed down in 3 months)Was it the Sakura Wars gacha they hired the Tales Of guy for after he almost killed Tales Of?
>>575338798I will just go read nasuslop isntead.
>>575339491It's not equal bad luck it's 8x worse bad luck.
Surely these bonus items wont be too important right? Like, they wouldnt lock ligmas behind these surely
>>575338405honestly I expected this thread to be filled with ibuki swimsuit art but the japs are mad AF
>>575339530No one fucking cares about that when everyone is going through melty because of jewxon
>>575339415in theory it's 50/50. in practice you'll rarely win it. unless you're trying to tell me that's you're hitting those hard node elephs 40% of the time as you should? because you're most certainly not
>>575339305Retardbro, Sony micromanages Helldivers, you think they didn't micromanage the biggest cash cow of the coveted mobile gaming market?
>when all those expiring 10 roll tickets now have worth because pity carry over between banners. Every time I get one, that means 10 less rolls on a banner character that I really want down the line.
>>575338828I wouldn't be this critical if its all just shitposting from other generals. I went postal when I saw other /bag/ having a meh reaction which made me realize globalfaggots are willing to let themselves get railroaded by Nexon.
>>575337441>someone in the boardroom straight up saying "A lot of our fans will defend us regardless and won't even question why we'd change the gacha system in the first place!"And that person was right. There are lots of people here unironically defending this and saying it's actually a really good thing and a huge benefit to the players and Nexon is being overly generous to us all by blessing us with these changes.
>>575338798I will dl out of spite but I'm not expecting much
/czn/ hereyou lost hahaha, project rx won biglywelcome to the 30% cheaper than mihomoslop club!
>>575339443>ZZZ is objectively more popular worldwide than Blue Archive what the fuck are you talking about.I'll just raise my eyebrow at you.Believe whatever you want, brother. I am not about to argue with someone who's deluded.
>>575339602Don't
>>575339443>SAAAAR BA NEEDS THE FURRY AND GAY AUDIENCE SAAAAR IT IS PROBLEMATIC SAAAAR DO NOT INSULT YURI BLOODY BITCH BASTARD SAR YOU CANNOT COMPETE LGBBQ SUPERPOWERkek
Is it even legal to completely rework how gacha works this late into lifecycle?
>>575339647So your argument is literally gacha rates aren't real Nexon is breaking the law and screwing everyone over?
And you say you're depressed, if you're depressed you wouldn't even care what's happening in the world.
>>575339530welfare yellow geburah metanon-fes is blue aoe dps and a striker healer who buffs and reduces armorfes is weird red dps, and versatile buffer who's the strongest with 2 attackers
ASMR IS OUTSHARE IT
*bad post*
>Nexon being retardedwhat's new?
>>575339443idiot confuses "lucrative" with "popular"
>>5753394431 japanese is worth 10 gaijin by the way
nigger
>>575339415>You're ignoring chance of winning the 50/50.And you're ignoring the chance of me LOSING the 50/50.
>>575339659>after a year you get enough for a 50/50 on permanent banner>you end up losing itKEK
>>575339570don't look at the early life section, goy
>>575339728probablysince they're saying they're doing it
>>575337250You save 200 pulls for a student>you get the student till 100 pullscalm maxxed, frame locked>you pass 100 pullsdouble cortisol nuked
Think I'm gonna have a rub to Satsuki tomorrow morning
>>575336196Why the long face? Is she a horse?
>>575339438They could do the funniest thing making last minute changes before beta to make gacha less jewish to get a huge support from refugees, but with their track record they're just gonna have gacha as bad as genshin.
>>575339647>in theory it's 50/50. in practice you'll rarely win itAnon, it's literally 50%.
>>575339686who?
>>575338365the problem lies within in certain thresholds>only want one, no change>get both before 100 total pulls, no change, lucky you>get one after 100 but before 200, get raped lmao190 being the worst offender because it forces you to do 390 total pulls instead of just 200>get neither before 200, no change, unlucky in the old system, EXTREMELY unlucky in the new one, almost astronomicallythe issue is that on those middle ranges that were quite common, in the old system if you got lucky you could still build up for the spark and spark and if you got even more lucky you could do extra eleph for one of them, the new one forces you to do odd number of pulls and can't claim eleph
>>575338905too bad FGO is a walking corpse and they refuse to make FGO2
>>575339745nyo
>>575339772Until now they seemed mostly free from the typical Nexon greed
>>575339240cygames are inept retards. they shouldn't have let CR kill off Pricunny Global but they did and ceded ground that Blue Archive took over. saige never should've let the Monkeyman run shit for as long as he did he drove every single one of their IPs in to the ground. except Uma because he couldn't he wasn't in charge of that one.
>>575339795I'm not ignoring it. I'm incorporating it in this thing called PROBABILITY.
ZOOOOOOOOS
>>575339443>this thing is popular with normalfags, now clapwhat's next, I have to like soccer?
The retards at /vmg/ kept screaming and wishing for a blue archive killer but turns out the real blue archive killer was itselfImagine that. Really sad that they had to do it in on an iroha/ ibuki fed banner because now everyones gonna remember their hoyo gacha but fucking worse instead of the double cunny fes
>>575338905Delight was such a fucking story man. King retard thinks he's hot shit because "he" made FGO, tries to make his own FGO, dies immediately. At least KLab's Bleach game they made after losing Love Live is still around, unlike, well, Love Live.
>>575339702>>575339726I legitimately don't understand why are you even trying to argue that BA is some kind of worldwide smash hit. It's a niche product with a big dedicated fanbase but it's nowhere near Hoyoverse level what the fuck are you pretending to be retarded....?
Im done complaining
>>575339316s-slower...
>>575339726We still havent got shuro yet and nexon already fucking up the game this badIf they want money just add skins no need to fuck with the already perfect gacha system
>>575339668If you think it's bad here, lmao, other tab is banning people for complaining.
>>575339772Nexon finally doing something smart.
I remember there's new terms and conditions. Chances they revert this decision is low I think
Just get a (better) job?
I sure hope the translated post is correct and not misunderstood
Yeah I'm going back to the open-world Third-Person Action Role-Playing Game Zenless Zone Zero made by Hoyoverse, the enigmatic developers behind the hit game Genshin Impact and Honkie Star RailThis is my main DPS character he is M6 and has a fully W5 upgraded weapon, took me 2600 pulls so don't be jelly, his name is John ZZZ and his entire personality is that he suffers from AIDS.Gonna have fun with John in ZZZ blasting up the Hollow, you guys enjoy your new gacha system, rooting for you to own that next 50/50 bestie <3
>>575339702Now filter out AI slop from BA
>>575339731>he's starting to understandgood. keep it going
>>575339851KOHARU
>>575339316'roha flopped BIGLY
>Former Electronic Arts executive and DICE CEO Patrick Söderlund was appointed Executive Chairman of Nexon on February 20, 2026.
>you can see Ibuki's feet in her L2Dguh
>>575339728Yeah of course. The only real regulation is that your gacha rates need to be disclosed in some countries. No governing body actually audits that though, you can lie and just hope you don't get caught, but it's not a good idea to underestimate the autism of your playerbase.
>>575339793True. They've shown they're willing to Kyoani mf'rs.
>>575339963forgot your gookako99 pic
>>575339851>AnalGay
nothing ever happens
>>575339443Anon, the only reason people keep talking about zzz is because of the Hoyoverse SEA monkey community that keeps pushing it
>BA deathFucking finally
SENSEIWHAT THE DEVIL ARE YOU DOING ON THAT CONFOUNDED NAMELESS PRIEST TABLET DEVICE
>>575339927>Hoyofag cannot comprehend other gachas being more popular than his slopGo back
>>575339978do the same for zz
>>575339978AI is filtered from both, I don't know why retards like you say this first thing every time>>575339927We care about otaku because we're otaku.I don't care if a bunch of normalfaggots play bad games and don't even produce any secondary content because the source is so vapid and hollow.
>>575339973why go back when yostar/nexon is bringing the mihomo slop to BA
>>575339851thank god it's censored
>>575336480It literally has the same HOYO system that BA is going to implement.
>>575339589Yeah the very same one, they spent around 300 million Yen into developing the Sakura Wars gacha (and went into debt for a loan of another $250 million yen), hired Baba (the most hated JP director) in secret and all their staff started to quit and leak material online as revenge.
>>575339728as long as you are not doing it while people are rolling or you are hiding stats, yes.
so what happens if you get dupes of the student you already got? lets say>2 students on banner>hit 100 rolls>get 1 student>pity resets>do 50 rolls>get dupe of the student you got>does the spark reset here?>do 50 more rolls>get another dupe>does the spark reset here?anyone know?
>iroha flops>this time for real by making BA floppingheh
>>575339851feet are a little too big
>>575339927Listen. I get it. You have your uhhhh preferences. There's a ton of games out there that cater to you. Why are you so mad that BA has a successful audience with straight men without any gay shit? You clearly and genuinely are not happy coming here to seethe, so why not just stick to the games you enjoy, instead of being mad about a game that will never change to fit you?
>>575339978>>575339927>if it's popular with normalfags and secondaries who make porn without reading a single in-game dialogue it means it is good!
plana
>>575340012THAT FUCKING KIKE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BLUE ARCHIVE SO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
I don't feel like patting students anymore...
>>575339963
>>575339415You can have an effectively unlimited loss streak. If the roulette can end up on black 26 times in a row (which is a real thing that happened) you sure can lose a dozen 50/50s in a row. The point is the security that comes with minimizing your dependence on having "average" luck (that averages out over millions of rolls, not the hundreds you're going to do).
>>575338957Yes, but they have A FUCKING SUPPORT BANNNNNNNNER. HEY WHY DON'T YOU ROLL 200 TIMES FOR A SUPPPORT CARD THAT YOU SHOULD MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX.
Why are we pretending like BA is popular when the revenue is lower than fucking One Piece gachaslop from Bandai? We don't stand a chance against Hoyoverse.
>>575340110I saw a graph from somewhere and IIRC 30% of ZZZ's art on pixiv is AI
>>575340162if the dupe was the rate up it resets
ZZZ fags can never talk about their game being better when the entire dev team had to backpedal on their vision of the game because nobody liked it
>finally a Gehenna volume>nobody talks about it
If Blue Archive wont let me have sexy 2d children, then I'm going to start hunting for sexy 3d children
>>575340162it always resets when you get a rate up. you are getting raped, hope you rike
Seiafags, do your job
>>575340162It resets any time you get the pickup you have currently selected, regardless of anything else. if you switch banners to another one after getting the first one then it won't reset it you get a spook dupe.
>>575339726Based keep making those troons seethe
>>575340084hawk tuah man
Sup boys. I didn't stay up for the stream, but it looks like we're dooming?
They should make 3d model rooms as a paid system like Azur lane is doing if they want money that bad
Just woke up, what I miss bros?
>>575340298
>>575339240As an ex priconne player, they shouldnt have introduced more fag males into that game after main story part 1The MC is also a literal retard that cant talk, theres only so far you can go with a guy who grunts
>>575339846>the issue is that on those middle ranges that were quite commonI call bullshit on this. I have been needing to go full 400 for the past few FES so I don't believe this for a second.
>>575339837>Nexon>Gacha>Literally 50%I have a bridge to sell you
I don't know why John Nexon is doing this, Persona 5 The Phantom X has a similar system and man it sucks.
>>575340201You can tell it's brutal when completely new content was announced and no one talks about it.
>>575340276BA is literally backpedaling right now as we speak KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>575338462100% brand power. Fate is just that strong.
>>575339934WOOOOOOWHOLY
>>575340349the genshittification of BA
You don't hate corporations enoughLet em burn
>>575340325amazing what one really fucking catastrophically bad decision can doFor once, and this really is not a jokethe japanese are vocal and not happy
It's basically guaranteed that the localizers will change "Make Gehenna Great Again" right
>>575339731I'm not saying that's happening here, but Nexon has gotten in trouble before for doing literally just that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexon#LawsuitsThey lowered probabilities for a decade before they got caught.Even if they aren't doing the same here, they fully deserve the skepticism.
>>575340287>finally a new Game of Thrones book released>but it's apocalypse outside>damn why is nobody talking about GoT?
>changes go througheveryone will associate the death of BA with pandemonium>changes don't go througheveryone will associate the near death of BA with pandemonium
>>575340221You can also not get the 0.7% 1 billion times in a row and have to spend 200 rolls for every student.
I wonder why they did this change... oh yeah...
>>575340349We're Genshin Impact now
>>575340180her butt, that is
>>575336093
I'd rape normal Reisa
>>575340235>the support banner that has the same rate as the character banner >but you need 5 fucking copies to unlock everything>oh also they become almost irrelevant come the next training modefucking insane game
>>575340298I think they all had a heart attack earlier
>>575340325The gacha system changed to 50/50 instead of the comfy one we hadOfc were dooming
>>575339741Weird, but alright cool thank you anon.Makoto is the blue dps tho right....right...sangloter
>>575340239Porn
>>575339731nta but https://www.pinepat.com/en/insights/columns/negseunyi-hwagryulhyeong-aitem-teugheo-deungrog-gyeoljeong-hwagryul-jojag-e-daehan-haeseog
Does /bag/ like Arona still?
saggers and butts and ibukis...
>>575340376Money what elseMaybe the KV faggots were onto something
>>575340437>>575340412qrd?
Satsuki has other things too
>>575340442Man I need this butt to flop all over my face
>>575340394>using DBSpic vocabularybrown
>>575340432>You can also not get the 0.7% 1 billion times in a rowNow compare the odds of that to the odds of losing 10 50/50s Mr Averages
>>575340192but enough about Blue Archive and their commissioned doujins
>>575340425But I thought we only cared about our precious students and deep and engaging story? Turns out we're just gambling addicts that only care about rolling?
>>575339934slosh slosh slosh slosh
is that link safe?
>>57534047190% of Asuna fanart comes from tourist artists who don't even play or follow BA. BA is just a thing for artists to draw and sell none of them like BA
Why are we upset there's gambling in the gambling game
how many of yall actually planning to quit? no hate, just curious
>>575340349They added 50/50 right as games are starting to move away from 50/50 and players are realising its a scam
Serious answers only.Assuming Nexon doesn't back down, do you think Blue Archive's JP popularity will decrease as result of this gacha change?Or Japan will get used to the system eventually?
>>575340239>when the revenue is lower than fucking One Piece gachaslop from Bandai?you jest but a game like dokkan battle mogs all the shit game hoyo puts out.iirc dokkan only has like 50k players so that just makes it even more insane.
>>575339153Isn't it funny>other game stream>get dogshit>slurp it up, nobody gives a fuck to shill their shit gacha >BA stream>good stream, has 1 (one) controversial thing>all the shitslurpers hop on to shill their dogshit kusoge
>>575340349Pandemonium saved Blue Archive. Trannies and other degens are seething, as expected.
>>575340320
>>575340601I am not quitting but I am also not spending 20k yen on packages like I usually do.
>deleted
Stop fucking lying to me (you) fuckass retards. Just because I just woke up doesn't mean you can just blatantly lie about the game turning into genshit holy fuck.
>>575340601I'm moving to /zzz/
you know sIbuki release means that my idea of a mimic striker might actually become real
>>575340512Sparking system is getting replaced by coinflips (100/200)and they're adding ligma pakeji
>>575340512Spark is completely gone.Replaced by a 50-50 coinflip at 100. There was a reason they did the livestream without an audience...
>>575340162There are no "2 students on banner". Each student has their own banner and you are supposed to switch after getting the first one.
>>575340491Do I want to know what's inside the link?
>>575340423almost guaranteed, lolcowlizers are bitches
I'll not play your gachas until they add Momoi
Only one person can save this game now>Hacks the game>Find Nexon is fraudulent>They get sued and BA eos
>>575340601Why would I quit? I'll just stop paypigging if the changes will feel bad
>>575340479Reminds me of when Gaijin literally patented whale buffs but shills still denied that was a thing in Warthunder
>>575340552Chance of 1600 rolls on 8 sets of banners being successful in getting 16 rate up students:New system: 75.4%Old system: 56.1%I know which one I want.
>>575340601>Mee anon!! It's mee!!>Another imageless poster that is definitely not me>Also me anon! I'm quitting!
>seiafags nowhere to be seen to protect the thread from doomposters almost as if they all disappeared—>seia asmr announced beforehandTHEY ALL CUMME'TH TO DEATH!!! THEY GOT RID OF ALL OF THEM FOR THIS MOMENT!!!UI!!! I AM NOTICING!!!!!!!! I AM NOTICING!!!!
>>575338184You think I'm mocking BA, but I'm not. The 50/50 system is shit, and I consider anyone defending it a shill. Out of all gacha communities, I think BA is the most united, so I hope you guys can actually sway nexon on this decision.
>>575340376Are you the Tomoko anon from P5X?
>>575340361sorry for being a luckCHAD, the only time i had to double spark during fest was during teaparty summer and i still got mika at 380 so the spark was for elephs, if i think about it with a cold head the system is not that bad in a vacuum but it still rubs me the wrong way, expecting to waste 400 but only needing 200 made my day, now i will have to do 300 to 400 no matter what
>>575340239Most of BA's revenue are from merch & collabs from the start. There's a reason it has 2 parts of shilling during a livestream.
>>575339820Why not today? Jesas Christo
>>575340781>source: my ass
okay but really why would you change the gacha system of a game THIS significantly after 5 yearswho the fuck does that
Sadly both Japan and South Korea are corporate dystopias where citizens have zero power against big companies so this will go through and you will like it!
>>575340362Anon, it's extremely easy to find out if they are playing around with the rates, especially for something as obvious at 50%.
THEY'RE TAKING OUT OUR CP!!!!
>>575340673Where did you get that picture from, Mr.Faggot?
>>575340621>do you think Blue Archive's JP popularity will decrease as result of this gacha change?absolutely, but not too significantlyit might motivate them to try out other games so it's not a good thing for us in the long run>will get used to the system eventually?hoyo and other chink games make a lot of money from japs and they all have 50/50s, so yes.the reason why we doing it caused such a ruckus was the fact that we were considered to be a breath of fresh air.
>>575340621I think it will absolutely go down. by how much or how impactful it will be, I have no idea, but there's no way it doesn't
>>575340601I'm gonna stop buying pakejiThe moment I have to go beyond 200 for one student I'm becoming a secondary
>>575340621It's Blue Archive, nothing can really match its cultural domination.>>575340239>revenueThe chart got updated...
What if Millennium elites planned this all along?
>>575340709>>575340708huh is this a joke? Is this the first time where the devs made the gacha system worse instead of better for the players?
>>575340793keep licking that nexon boot faggot
SHARE THE ASMR YOU FUCKS
>>575340601I think it's a garbage change but ultimately it won't affect my enjoyment of the game. I'm a pretty light puller regardless and only roll with my dick.They aren't going to get me if they keep doing shit like giving me Chiaki for free and 100 rolls on Satsuki.Jeeze Mr. Nexon, it sure would suck if you released Kaguya suddenly when I had no rolls. Please don't do that...
>>575340673I deleted it because I didn't copy the link in full
>>575340689it's better for you to go back sleep and think of it as bad dream
>>575340817noooo you don't understand, they changed it to make it more player-friendly! they want you to spend less on their game because they love you.
>>575339620>can recieve rewards such as 10-pull ticket>canjesus they put gacha in the gachathis game is so fucking done
>>575340607You can't call Himari a grandma, Aris, that's just rude
>>575340585That reminds of 2hu and reimu. They don't seem to draw 2hu anymore
>destroys mathfags
>>575340832ok let's see irohafag defend THIS
Explained for retards
>>575340816I already posted the code
>>575340601I just log on to do dailies and shit untiltheres new story or blue fes or limitedif I stop rolling the gacha to constantly save then whats even the point of playing
haha, yeah guys, I'm totally not concerned about the new gacha system. I'm just gonna buy pakeji and save 48k to make sure I get both limiteds.
>>575337578The worst case scenario is getting only one student after 200 pulls, if you're taking ONLY that into consideration the new gacha is better.But favorability falls for the new system as soon as you go over 100 pulls, the deeper you go the worse it is.
>>575340781Chance of 200 rolls on 2 banners being successful in getting 2 rate up studentsOld system: 75.46%New system: 56.25%
>>575340420Hope they get attention for it. I tend to think western global never gets listened to because they're expected to bitch and moan about everything.>>575340460That sounds pretty shit unless they raised rates a fair bit to go with it, yeah. I'm assuming this is also the acceleration we're actually going to get.
>>575340916BUT THE AVERAGE
The idea that this chimp out might mean we about to lose the new OBJECTIVELY MATHEMATICALLY BETTER gacha system because online jeets never got past elementary school math is crazy
>>575340601I won't quit, but I will stop spending money if they go through with the change
>>575339647Why aren't you complaining about the obvious bullshit 3% then.
>>575340656tbf our 1 (one) controversial thing is quite fucking big.last year people panicked and doompost about the battlepass and this change is easily 100x worse than that because at least you can opt-out of a bp.also it's good that we are complaining because this shows us having more backbone than those other games that just slops up everything their devs shat out without complaint.
>>575340689Check the news, anon.
>>575340817look up nexon's executive chairman
>>575340916Umm, the average is 400 pulls so it balances out?????
>>575340721right now featured students share the same spark and roll pool no?are you saying that they will split these or what? does each student now have its own 200 spark?
>>575340952As soon as you want to roll more than 400 times for 4 banner students the new system is better
>>575340893retards cannot grasp this from nexon AND yostar of all companies btw
>>5753409830/10 bait, you've posted this 10 times
>>575340798See I am personally just waiting to actually see a proper translation, if it's actually worth having a meltdown over then it'll get reversed. But a lot of the "complaints" are actually falseflaggers who are from tranny discords that hate BA for what it represents. So if you are being genuine, then that's my genuine response. I have no real actual worry, and the actual content of the game is better than ever.
>>575340673Kys traitorous fag.
>>575340872YeaNexon is a multi billion dollar company though they can afford the backlash and loss of players
>>575340875So true imageless sister let's own these bootlickers kekypow lol?
You play for free everyday. The least you can do is buy pakeji
>>575340826FGO changed their coin system after a melty 2 years ago, you either need to be loud enough or the game simply doesn’t care for its players enough
>nexon jews working overtime itt to convince anons that the new system is better
>>575340921Oh crap I screwed it up
>>575340601I play BA mostly for the story, and I only pull for students I like. I don't really care about the meta or anything like that.I don't like the new gacha changes like everyone else, but I'm not going to quit the game over this.
>>575340872FGO
>>575338380>gacha system being more jewyWhat? Context please I missed that part
>>575341068>2+2 = 4>waaaaah 0/10 bait, you've posted this 10 times
>>575341071If the JPs are freaking out over it, chances are it’s exactly what we’ve feared
>>5753407818 banners of worthwhile pulls is a almost year.
>>575341116>false narratives without hard numbers
>>575337587>heh, but have you considered the "averages", chud?
>>575341114>other /bag/ are full of nexon jews after all
>>575340812As far as I'm concerned, I'm automatically assuming I need 400 pulls for both characters. If I managed to win one at 100 pulls, that's 300 pulls instead of 400 now. If I don't, then it's just business as normal.
>>575340859>Her voice is gentlethat reminds me of the first time I did Yesod. never used her in battle before that and I heard her voice, I thought she sounded pretty nice>>575340987I literally am every single time I pull, bro. I almost never hit the 3%, the only saving grace is that I'm a luckchad so I almost always get both banner students despite dogshit purple rates
>>575341103you say this but there's a ton of shit FGO didn't change even after immense fan backlashFGOfags are the worst of the worst when it comes to eating slop, not even cyfags are that bad.
>>575341148>>575340916
>>575340621>do you think Blue Archive's JP popularity will decrease as result of this gacha change?Absolutely. It's not as friendly and it can't be underestimated: people are genuinely unhappy. This is a kind of system for games for which there is actual 0 overlap in audiences. People who tend to like Genshin Impact do not tend to like Blue Archive and vice versa. People who like Blue Archive tend to like Trickcal (uses "points" gacha system)...that's been getting quite popular in japan.>Japan will get used to the system eventually?This will also happen. Blue Archive is a good game with good music, characters, and story. You can't completely remove yourself from it because it's still something beloved. Which, cruelly, is probably why the decision was made.
>wojakpostingOk, we're actually dead now
>>575340601I'll stop buying pakeji, and eventually will quit if I can't get plat anymore.
>>575341071I won't argue with anyone who complains about the system changing and the psychology behind it, but at least I hope they fucked understand the math about how it's changing before they complain about it. 90% of this is emotional bullshit.
>>575341187Are you capable of not talking about reddit for one day?
>>575341116If you aren't retarded and saved up for the worst case scenario, then over 5 or so banners the "no luck" team is just one dude either way.If you are retard, then lol get fucked retard.
>>575341103They didn't change it, they just reverted it to what it was before the change. The coin system has always been shit.
What is this expression trying to convey?
>>575341246and the new gacha system killed it
>>575340859gomen yuuka is from an official short
>>575340916B-BUT MUH AVERAGEEEEE
>>575341246just tourists and people who have a bone to pick with BA-things
>>575338354Was that the system where you can get extra skills? You needed a fuckton of dupes to makes out that character on top of the 4 other ones you need to max out NP's
>>575341313lust
sex with Chiaki
>>575341183The numbers are in the distributions the math people have been posting. You'll notice the average amount of lucky people actually increased in my image more than the unlucky people did, yet more people become unlucky.
>>575341313The expression that conveys ABSOLUTE HATE for FGOkeks and Genshit slurpers
>>575340601I will never quit. If the boat sinks, then I will drown with it. I only buy the battle passes. Sure, it might be inconvenient to keep up with the endgame since I think it's hard to get elephs now because of the new system.
I am feeling an urge to give Arona a good beating right now
>>575341103FGO didnt even add a pity despite players complaining about it until like 7 years later, and theyve kept the shitty>If you get the 5* early you lose your pitysystem everyone still bitches about
>>575341313When she sees my peanus weenus :)
>>575341116I like how you conveniently left out a certain populationWonder how you will justify that having to double spark 4 times more on average is better
>>575340601I won't, but a friend of mine might. At the very least, my likelihood to spend is much lower now.
I guess I will never roll again after my beloved School Uniform AkaneJohn Nexon will pay
>>575341167I'm just gonna stop bothering to mock the troons coming here for now, and go play fightan, but if it turns out to actually be a problem, I'm confident it'll get reversed. Overall, 10/10 fes, and I'm not even just saying that because I love Pandemonium, all the swimsuits are fucking great. I am really glad we finally got content for them though.
>>575340569story isnt even good and hasnt been good for a long time
>outrage so big that even irohaschizo is starting to believe that the doomposting is within community instead of some random boogeyman discord in le headGRIM LEVELS NEVER SEEN BEFORE
>>575341304The original system didn’t let you swap append skills I’m pretty sure
>>575341141Yeah but fgo is the worst gacha of the industry
>>575341034Pity is separate between limited and non-limited banners (in case they run at the same time I'm assuming). Pity is shared between all limited and non-limited banners.So let's say we have 2 limited students and 2 regulars running. You roll 50 on 1st limited student and don't get the rate up. You now have 50 pity banked for both limited banners (which carries over to the next banners when these ones end). You regular banner pity is still 0.
>>575340916Just win both 50/50 at 100 rolls then. Problem solved.
>>575341226...damn
>>575340601I'm just not going to buy packeji now. Used to buy the monthly pyros every month, but I'm not gonna bother.
>thousands of students in Kivotos>one sensei in KivotosThat means on average, every girl in Kivotos has a micropenislol
>>575341313>"Condom?"
we can go spark for sparkfuck that we can go stash for stash19 bucks for the pakejidouble pump with the google play taxi got the plana the rona the yuukaand rinny she say i got pityit's got to the point that i don't even carei got ligma for students that i don't even roll
>>575341410It's a really big discord raid, they're even raiding asians
>>575341313>"wtf, Sensei is that small? gross"
>>575340601I'll stop spending, but I wont quit unless they REALLY screwed over the writing
>>575341382Double spark is a rare case which happens maybe once very two years200 rolls is something that happens every 2-3 months.I hope you can understand which one is more important.
>>575341382Now account for elephs from sparking and dupes you get from rolling to that spark
>being a fan means you're not allowed to question or criticize anything otherwise you're a fake fan or a hateris this a third world thing?
>>575341410worse, he calls everyone who disagrees with him as a troon.
>>5753413950/10 for me, because my studentwife didn’t get any content
>>575341025BA already added battlepass, nag notification to visit the premium shop, and a pyro store BEFORE that guy was hiredso no, I don't think that's it
>>575341525Yes.
>>575340859You forgot:>Yuuka's main NTR rival (in doujins)
>>575341424But you already needed to roll a useless 6th copy
>>575341519are you fucking stupid
I wanted to give Yostar more money ingamenot like this though you fucking retard, why did you choose the worst way to do this you dumbasses
>>575341503>I wont quit unless they REALLY screwed over the writingworse than v1c3, v5?
>>575341486you will never be sensei c
>>575340810
The main takeaway is that this new system is worse if you are trying to go for 2 characters within 200 pulls. It is better if you are trying to go for 1 character with 100/200 pulls, or 2 characters with 300/400 pulls. If you are not saving in increments of 200/character, this new system severely punishes you.
>>575341525Third world thing is not understanding math.
>>575340601won't quit but i wont be paypigging anymore and turn into a souless meta roller
>>575341410The discord got upset that many actual players were raging about the gacha changes that they moved onto other game shilling. They can't be satisfied just pissing off one group, they've got to get under the skin of everyone you see.
>>575340601not quitting, just not playing the meta now that it may become pay2win because of the eligma system
They're just banking on whales, F2P and average spenders are nothing to them
>>575341525No but being bad at math is a 3rd world thing.
>>575341071bro, look at what the japanese are saying/how they're reactingthey can read better than us
>>575341595 (me)I meant vEXc3, silly me
>>575341313Her reaction to the new rolling changes.
>>575341610The new system is better if you are trying to go for 4 students in 400 rolls. Literally as soon as you go past a single banner the new system becomes better.
>>575341587You wanted to give Yostar money? are you retarded?
>>575341562these are very minor changes compared to revamping how your gacha works and all of the things you said can be ignored/opt-out, meanwhile you HAVE to interact with the gacha even if you are a F2P4lyfe
>>575341395What fighter?
>>575341663whales are probably gonna stop spending for a while because of this, this isn't a good strategy
>>575341313current state of /bag/
>>575341595V1c3 was a sabotage thoughbeit
>>575341516>>575341516>Double spark is a rare case which happens maybe once very two years>200 rolls is something that happens every 2-3 months.>I hope you can understand which one is more important.Oh wow so you're essentially saying averages actually matter now?Since you're getting more pick-up students on average with the new system it should mean the new system is strictly better no?
>>575341202We have to force Nexon to reveal the roll history like all other gachas are doing so it'd be much harder for them to manipulate the rates.
>>575341680>Literally as soon as you go past a single banner the new system becomes betterNot for 2 students at 200 rolls.
>>575341103Good luck trying to prove the new system is worse in court. They literally have the power of math and probability on their side while people here are unironically going 'FEELS OVER REALS'.
>>575341313She saw it, I wasn't fast enough to cover my front
>>575341763>>575341763>>575341763
>>575341191>If I managed to win one at 100 pulls, that's 300 pulls instead of 400 now.if you managed to win at 100 and wanted both, that was 200 before, 300 to 400 now, as a dolphin that just means saving or expending harder as i said the issue lies withing these middle thresholds that people found themselves in more often than not
>>575338047Pretty sure it was objectively worse in stella sora with nerfed rates and worse pull currency per month compared to BA. There's also the fact that it's a yuricuck game and at this point whenever I see art of stella sora they're pretending the female protagonist is the MC even on official accounts lol
>>575341742>forcing a big korean company to do anythinglollmao
>>575341730see >>575341672
>if its not broken dont try to fix itthe gacha kusoge
>>575341706Blazblue Archive. Maybe Plus R too, that's my main game but I'm tryna get better at BB.
>>575341331>B-BUT MUH AVERAGEEEEEDas rite, it's always 50%. You either get them or you don't.
>>575341714A someone who buys some of the anni pakejis and all of the monthly refresh pakejis it doesn't affect me that muchI have been playing this game under the assumption that 200 rolls is the minimum to spent for each new banner and getting elephs from dupes pretty much eliminates my need to pull multiple copies of the same student since I can mostly max them out with elephs.
>>575341294I do actually agree that most of the unlucky group are going to be retards, but I just want the real reason for the change to be known. And some of those people WILL be plan chads; in fact, this change should disproportionately affect the amount of planners who end up in the unlucky zone.
Me and natsu like the old system...
>>575341525You're allowed to question or criticize something but when the unironic math is saying you're wrong, then it's best to rethink what is it that you're trying to say here.
>>575341981wtf that's an impostor
>>575341610New system is better because you have 2 chances at 50/50 at getting a rate-up in 100 rolls. Sure, you can just be unlucky but the odds are in your favor that you will only need 300 rolls instead of 400 for 2 characters.
>>575341382I'm just trying to demonstrate to people why this is really being done. It's not to improve things, it's to squeeze out more money. Factually, more people will have worse luck and end up needing to spend more rolls overall, and I bet they have the data on exactly what point that should be in the rolling process to make the most money. Just don't get it twisted, Nexon is doing this to materially make the game worse for a select number of people so they can squeeze out more money.
>>575341961>I have been playing this game under the assumption that 200 rolls is the minimum to spent for each new banneryeah, same here, but still, it's nice being able to get a banner student before 200 and finishing the spark for another. with the new system it makes it significantly worse, you can't "finish" a spark anymore since that shit resets when you get the rate up. even if you get one rate up before 100 there's still a 50% chance you're not getting the other one if you spend 200 rolls total, while before it was a guaranteeno matter how people twist it this is strictly worse in many ways, and it gets worse the more banners that you don't already have are running. it could've been pretty good it they didn't make it reset each time you get a rate up, that's really the problematic part here
>>575342402>Factually, more people will have worse luck and end up needing to spend more rolls overall"Factually" you are straight up wrongI have no doubt that they are doing this to squeeze out more money and while it is scummy I have no problem with it because mathematically it's a good change for the players and even more so for the long-time players who plan out their rolls and resources (like I am)Bitching over the new system is like bitching at a casino because they added more blings and flashy effects to their slot machine to entice more players even though they actually increased the RTP in the process. You can be mad at them for being scummy (they are, so is nexon) but when you look at it rationally it's a good change
>>575342231other side love to bring up their scenario but seriously anyone can do that, watch me>roll first banner for limited A, 100th 3* guarantee roll, got the one I need>roll second banner for limited B, 100th 3* guarantee roll, got the one I need>spent 200 rollseasy isn't it>but it's just the same for old systemwant to bring up you not getting 3* within 200 rolls? then you have to do it 400 times to earn both limited A and Bwhat? you can do that "new system doesn't win 100th guarantee" but I can't do the "old system you don't get anything until 200th where you have to spark" for two banners?all "what if" roll scenario are useless because it'll always be favourable to the one pushing their argumentbut you know what is objectively true? new system having 100th guarantee, it having better average because of it, and eleph pack for new students existingfor the last point, it's a plus to those who hunt UE already, because you spent to get it outright, you no longer need to roll maybe 200 times for another copy
>>575339185sojak was a swedish invention
>>575342825I'm completely correct thoughbeit, and I will continue to to present the truth when I see people who are wrong. I love blue archive and want it to thrive, and I think this will have a knock-on effect of alienating more players(both in implementation and in general on social media), and may even be a sign of Nexon moving to squeeze the cloth so to speak.
>>575343219Ok let me put it this way, what makes you believe that "more people will have worse luck and end up needing to spend more rolls overall" when the rates have been proven time and time again to be better on average with the new system
>>575342825>Bitching over the new system is like bitching at a casino because they added more blings and flashy effects to their slot machine to entice more players even though they actually increased the RTP in the process.Not the guy you're arguing with, but yeah - that's my gripe with it.Even if the rewards are technically a sliver better I think it's going to result in more feelsbad moments than the prior system.I don't think making the RTP ever so slightly better is worth the machine being obnoxious, to use your example.Rolling should be an enjoyable process and half way through a spark I'm going to be feeling like I've lost half the time and then spend the remaining 100 rolls wondering just HOW badly I've lost, whereas previously anything sub-200 felt like a win.
>>575336961Don't you mean armpit rubbing?
>>575343563The distribution used to peak at 200, with the mass behind it, and a long tail towards 400. Now it's flatter. More of the mass has been shifted towards the front, but more to the back. This is, in so many words, what I'm talking about. More of the mass now lives past the 200 point, even if the front of the distribution has been brought up. The goal is getting more people into that 200+ region. More winners, but more losers.
>>575340601i am stoping spending money on the game. so gonna let my monthly run out and that is that
>>575343969That seems to be what they are hoping. Will it pay off though? Probably. Personally I spend a lot more when I'm "winning". When I start to lose I don't reach my credit card, I get annoyed, close the game and play something else. If it gets so bad I might forget to keep logging in and eventually stop playing and definitely not spending anything.
>>575343578I understand your point and I don't disagree with it, but I do think people are blowing it out of proportionI also hate gambling, 5.5fes is in 4 days and I'm entering it with 3 full sparks ready to use (as I always do for bluefes). The only thing that changes with the new system for me is that now I'm slightly more likely to get what I want within the budget I've allocated to it and I don't have the incentive of "finishining a spark" that I used to have.>>575343969As far as I know blue archive is a game you're supposed to play for months or years, not roll on one banner and then forget about.Your "analysis" is correct if you take a single banner in isolation but if you're looking at mid to long-term tendencies you're straight up wrong.Again the only real change is the new system is slightly more predatory for midwits with no impulse control.
>>575344510I've been playing since day 1. I save my pyro, I plan my rolls well, and I am still not happy about that change.
>>575344510I'm not wrong, even in the "long run" of 50 double banners, with a million players there will be materially more losers. It's not the end of the world, it's not doubling the pyro cost, or halving the student rate, but it is an action taken by Nexon to make the gacha worse for more people in order to try and squeeze more money from them. It's a directly hostile action, not even considering all the bad publicity it's getting. I'm not even saying if the game had started like this it would have flopped or something, or that even the vast majority of the players will find it worse (as asserted, most will actually find it better). I'm saying it's Nexon looking at the game and thinking, for whatever reason, now is the time to squeeze more money out despite the backlash it might get.
>>575344835>I save my pyro, I plan my rolls well, and I am still not happy about that change.If the odds were worse than before I would be fuming at the changes but since they aren't I genuinely don't have a single reason to be mad at themI'll start getting mad at nexon when they start implementing stuff that actually fucks me over>>575345093>even in the "long run" of 50 double banners, with a million players there will be materially more losersThen I guess we don't live in the same reality or numbers have different meanings to use or something because I simply don't see it, from my viewpoint it's a strict upgrade. When I roll on a banner the most likely outcome is I leave with (marginally) more pyros than I used to which is a net positive for me.>I'm saying it's Nexon looking at the game and thinking, for whatever reason, now is the time to squeeze more money out despite the backlash it might get.Again I don't disagree with this
>>575345494If we go from 10 luck people to 20 lucky people, and 10 unlucky people to 15 unlucky people, the average luck has gone up, but there are more unlucky people. The expected value is higher, but it's not "strictly better" for all people.
>>575345860Your definition of "lucky" is limited to the scope of a single banner and not representative of how I (and many other people) play this gameIf I roll 10 pick-up students and walk away with 10k pyros I'm more lucky than if I roll on 10 banners and walk away with 0 pyrosConsidering the "walk away with 10k pyros" scenario is more likely than before it's a good change for me
>>575346357Even after 50 banners there will still be (many, many) people who got unlucky (go past 200 pulls) on most of them. That number will go up by about 40%ish after this change (from like 25% up to 35%?), with the goal of Nexon having those people pay more money. They will number probably somewhere between ten and a hundred thousand people, which will be substantial money for Nexon if a decent portion increase their spending habbits.
coom in doomrope in hope
>>575346909>Even after 50 banners there will still be (many, many) people who got unlucky (go past 200 pulls) on most of them. That number will go up by about 40%ish after this change (from like 25% up to 35%?),IF YOU'VE ROLLED on all 50 of these banners the most likely outcome is that you end up with more pyros than before which means less money for john. If you don't take into consideration the psychological factor that is.
>>575346909Yes, that's what will happen top most players, but for ~6% of players (going up to 9%ish after this change) they will fail (spend more than 200 pulls) on 2/3 banners in the 50.That's the point for nexon, moving that 6ish% to 9ish%, for example. I'm not sure what's still unclear.
>>575347798Oh, that's "two out of three", not "two or three" if it's unclear.
>>575347427Yeah no way John Nexon isn't going to profit and just doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. There's more to it than just basic math and stats. The house ALWAYS wins. Always.
