>Blizzard’s new version of World of Warcraft, based on its original 2004 release. Currently in beta, it will feature more than 1,000 new quests, nine new dungeons, new race/class combinations including Undead Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, and more. Level 60 will remain the maximum level cap forever.>News, Dev Blogposts & Podcasthttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/>Patch Noteshttps://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-forever-beta-development-notes-%E2%80%93-updated-september-24/2360696>Talent Calculatorhttps://forevertalents.up.railway.app>Release DatesName reservations on October 27th.November 4th
>streamers can freely rmt with no consequence>no dungeon exp>no dungeon mob exp>no new classes>bad balance classes>insane new gear power creep>shitty old gear>all leveling through quests>zero social aspects>unbalanced pvp>rogues top 1 dps because yes>all hybrids suck because hybrids>all twitch channels blatantly viewbotted>massive reddit post a sunset and get 3000 likes psyop>ugly new elf race>new elf race breaks lore>low effort elf race for both factions because it's cheaper>everyone still needs to be an engineer>endgame is still raidlog>speedrunning to 60 in 2 weeks and then raidlogging is still how the game is meant to be played>main dev literally said in a podcast he is going to make rogue the best class in the game because he wants to>main dev literally said in a podcast that the players are fucking retarded if they don't play rogue>biggest streamer is a nazi>biggest streamer killed his own motheryep, they gave up on wow fogever
Mandatory viewing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX1dPTAQ5_U
>bring back the vanilla shield tank talent >give them earth shield>make stoneskin and windwall totem not uselessThere
>>583690758>>>rogues top 1 dps because yes>>main dev literally said in a podcast he is going to make rogue the best class in the game because he wants to>>main dev literally said in a podcast that the players are fucking retarded if they don't play rogueProof for any of this?
>>583690758Don't worry! They'll revert the dungeon nerf as soon as streamers can't quest in the open world.
>>583690934the dev talk with soda
thanks aggrend
>>583690923Don't care, didn't read. Drop the WF totem and accept the scrap items the other classes don't need. That is your role shamcuck.
I will be raiding theramore on release tyvm
>>583690934https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Pfl4U3U_KvQ
>>583690923NOOOOOOOWE CANNOT LET SHAMANS TANKTHEY CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THISTHIS COMPLETELY RUINS MY GAME
>>583690923Sorry, aggrend says that shaman tank isn't the intended way to play!
>>583690893>updatedHunter = Gun
>>583690341>bro like check it out bro>my last jenkem binge showed me the truth man>so like check it out bro, they make all these dungeons with mobs and bosses with mechanics and a bunch of quests and stuff bro>but then check it out man, I saw this when I was hypoxic from huffing shit fumes like a jeet man>they DONT want people to touch them bro>yeah bro>like ever>they spent all that time and money making them and I THINK they want nobody to touch them ever>yeah thats it>but they dont remove them cuz... idk reasons I guess man>pass the dick shaped bong i think I felt a sliver of reality get thru>cant have that>light the balls for me bro
>>583691032she's ready to go green
Alliance shaman situation will get better at the launch, right?
>>583690923You exist to drop windfury totem. No one will ever bring an elemental shaman or an enhancement shaman. eat shit
>>583691093If you let shaman tank, then you'll be forced to make dungeons give xp, and that will kill the wholesome open world... AND THAT JUST WONT FUCKING DO.
>>583691198AGP trannies don't like Dwarves, so... it won't.
>>583691198Only if they give dwarves OP racials
>>583690758>oh no the pure dps class that bring NOTHING to a raid other than damage (no tranq shot, no summons and healthstones, no water portals and aoe) gets to be #1 single target dpsyup keep crying brownie
>>583691247>warsissy lashing out at his fellow hybridsYou hate to see it. A self hating fagg- i mean a self hating hybrid. So much internalized hate.
>>583691198probably not, people(faggots) just dont like dwarfgotta wait for draenei to save you
>>583691198why weren't dwarf shamans named gryphon riders or storm hammers, no one is going to want to play a dwarf shaman with copy and pasted thematic horde skills, this is so fucking dog shit, at least undead paladin players can say well my undead was once living
>>583690758>"I don't actually play the game" the post
I'm going to enjoy watching wow flopever be the biggest disaster in blizzard's games since SoD
>>583691374Sorry, it'll be Broken Draenei. Blizzard gets a nice opportunity to cease their old Eredar Draenei and windchime nonsense.
My you're a tall one
Will WoW forever ever be free to play? I wanna play with my bf.
>>583691496This time it will be different...It just HAS to be.
>>583691339But they can distract enemies and CC one out of combat humanoid, if it's non elite and doesn't detect stealth. Elites are obviously immune to CC including stuns.
>>583691198Haha, no. People are trying it out on the beta because it's new and they have nothing to lose, everything gets deleted anyway. They won't do that on launch.
>>583690923can someone explain why letting shamans tank its making some people really upsetim missing the meme
>>583691496>this is what passes as trolling in 2026Grim.
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS GENERAL
>>583691663Is it really trolling if nobody falls for it
>>583691706Wait, that doesn't even make any sense. Why are there shirt sleeves, but they just seem to attach to the skin?
>>583691658It isn't how aggrend, holy be him, wants you to play.If you let people play in any way but the kosher and aggrend approved way, the game will be bad.If you disagree, well! You are just evil, mean, stupid and also a booster brown subhuman shitskin.
>>583690758I love my female fagborn Druid. Enjoy not having fun ranjesh
Is there a list of addons everyone should consider installing?
>>583691797Aggrend mained shaman tank in SoD thoughever.
>>583691658New thing bad.
>>583691875A gun to your mouth
>>583691658If shaman had 3 roles, they would be Hybrids but since they have only 2, they don't have to pay the Hybrid Tax.
>>583691875Since youre a bitch incapable of doing anything on your own, get the SissyAbuser add on. It doesnt do anything beyond remind you that youre a fucking faggot every 14 seconds.
>>583690893Scissors beats paperScissors also beats rockUntil rock hits 60 and becomes an unstoppable killing machine and beats paperRock also kills scissors since we learned about AoEScissors sometimes mistakes gun for paper and is prompty trinketed and immediately skullfucked by gunGun also beats paper and rock.Gun one time tried to kill mushroom but jobbed so hard mushroom made every server 70/30 horde favored.
>>583691490How is tossing lightning a horde skill?
>blizzard nerfs all player enjoyment but bots can still fly hack under the map and mine everything and loot every chest in the world and dungeons on 1000 charactersrules for the man but not for chan
>>5836914966 months. I estimate that is how long it takes before the entire leveling experience is dead.>players can't find groups for leveling dungeons>players are turned off wpvp and world engagement as a whole because it is completely imbalanced due to hybrid damage buffs>everyone has completed their honor and rep grinds so bgs queues for 60+ minutes for horde, and alliance players get instant queues but always lose so it's a waste of time to play>raid logging and buying gold are the only things left to do
>>583691658New thing bad but also Shamans are very in demand because of windfury totem. Being able to actually be a normal class outside that is "unfair" to him
>>583691815the most c-u-c-kshit post on the board right nowsave some of that sass for launch, we're gonna need it
>>583691490>least undead paladin players can say well my undead was once livingFrom what I've seen most ud larpers are claiming they became paladins upon turning undead and that it's basically like when they discovered their real gender.
>>583691930>Gutted, gaped and nerfed after phase 2 >When aggrend openly mained bear tank and ret paladinWhy lie lol
>>583691968Based anti addon player
>>583691198>cuck class with either nonsense changes or actively worse than classic talents>dwarf shaman gets zero attention when they made an entire WC3 campaign about the hero class, every dev panel talks about how much they worked on paladin and brought it up to par>dwarf racials are...bad>alliance
>>583691957>warsissy still desperately lashing out at his fellow hybrids
>>583692064Shamans pissed me the fuck off in SoD, so Aggrend played one. I think I recall seeing him playing one on twitter too.
>>583691518Eredar-Draenei are critical to the warcraft setting because they made Night Elves a joke race in WoW and you need at least one ancient race with ties to the cosmic struggle against the Burning Legion
>>583691875Dialogue UIThreatClassic or any other Threat meter
>>583692058sounds very trannypilled, you go girl
>>583692019Rules are for goycattle.Remember boosting is still in lol
>>583691930No he didn't, Shamans were absurdly broken for like 90% of SoD though.
>>583692141P2 PvP as enhance shaman was so much fun. Just an indestructible tank absolutely demolishing everything lmao.
>>583690923>shaman already had a shield talent>just give them earth shield and have stoneskin provide damage resistanceI feel like this would work and would be a simple change.
>>583691518Nah, Alliance has shoes and no ugly races.
>>583692141No, he posted his paladin and druid lil bro.
>>583692127>seething warsissy continues to rage because hes a hybrid and lashes out even more at fellow hybridsJust take your PReP and do your enema, warsissy. Youre the bottom bitch now and nobody wants you shitting all over the place while theyre using you.
When are we getting Human Shamans?
>>583692347>>583690923>>583691658Shaman tanking with stormstrike resetting on dodge or parry sounded retardedly fun.
>>583691032>helps the rapefugies kill her fatherWomen should be kept in the kitchen
>>583692510>stormstrike resetting on dodge or parryIt's for PvP.
>>583692405Fuck off retard, I wanna play ele shaman but it's just comical how bad it is.They took its most iconic talent and just removed it on top of removing like 60% of base damage from spells.
>>583692019>>blizzard nerfs all player enjoyment but bots can still fly hack under the map and mine everything and loot every chest in the world and dungeons on 1000 characterssource?
>>583692378Of course he played paladin because paladin is WoW's main character class, and druid has always pissed me off, but I swear he was playing a shaman in Phase 3/4.
>Al*x is using AI slop for his videos now
give shaman to alliance skyfagsally shaman population goes upI don't have to play against stoneform as muchwin-win
>>583691875aggrend uses restedxp so that
>>583692551>noo im really an ele shamanShut up warsissy. Fleshlights dont speak even when spoken to.
>>583691949Did that question really warrant such a response damn bro
>>583692264Sham tank was f tier after phase 2 and for anything that wasn't aoe boosting but you go off queen
>Dwarves got Shamans before Mages
I need them in forever NOW
>>583691957>>583691658Shaman is ranged dps, melee dps and healer.Paladin is melee DPS, tank and healer.
>warsissies have reached the stage where they justify being hybrids by screaming that its because aggrend plays X instead of warrior
>>583692760I don't think any race should have both shamans and mages.
>>583692810Paladin is also ranged dps now
>>583691339niggers who say rogue doesnt bring anything to the party are fucking drooling mutant ook ook retardsmaybe try playing with a rogue who isnt a balding retard father of 8000 with sub 0 T levels and actually is kicking/gouging/kidneying/cheap shoting/sapping mobs
>Go to WoWhead>Massive novel about how Warriors are raped and gaped and NEED to be FIXEDMan 7 years of unchallenged domination really did a number on the browns huh
YOOOOOThis restedxp addon is huge!
>>583692760Elementalists could be either. In this timeline they happened to be Shaman.
>>583692887Why not?
>>583691658It breaks the rules and you are all massive faggots so stop fucking posting.
Paladins really should have been a good tank in og vanilla.
>>583692892Shockadin is still mostly melee. Like enhance shaman.
>>583692759>pve tankI don't care nigga, they were cancer in PvP up to like SE when everything was just fucked.
>>583692893>kicking/gouging/kidneying/cheap shoting/sapping mobswho needs cc when thorns and ret aura takes care of everything ?
>>583692893Exactly 0 of those listed work in raids.
>>583692965It is a good AoE Tank, that just means fuck all against 90% of raid bosses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBPpOQa9wtI
>>583692965Tigole and Furor ordered their non healing trees gutted beyond functionality days before 1.0 because they hated one specific Paladin player in EverQuest.
>>583692959Shamans are just super mages, why wouldn't they train all of their mages to be shamans?
>>583690514I must admit I am quite fond of the tank shortage and the dungeon xp nerfs.
>Holy paladin healing got destroyed in favor of le meme shockadin dpsI hate aggrend so much
always hated how world of warcrafts endgame was just>raid or pvpwowf finally feels more mmoRPG to me
>>583690923is stoneskin and windwall ever used normally? It doesn't scale with anything so I'm guessing its completely useless late game
>rogues shouldn't be #1 ST dpswhy not?>THEY JUST SHOULDN'T OK!?!
>>583692976I'm not talking about pvp but okay bro, you mini game schizos are a treat~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63MQl93Xe40Finally Preach with the best take
>good in one version of the game during the entirety of its existence, less than 5% of its lifespan>want to remain viable in new version of the game instead of being served the same hybrid slop that has been in place from 2006-2026>hybrid players claim it's unfair to them because warriors have had unchallenged domination for that small sliver of the games existence, even though that is only true for the even shorter re-release of the original contentCan't make this shit up. Hybridfags need to be castrated.
>>583692965So should have druids
>>583693209who cares when every boss in forever has target switching and adds?
>>583693194>Holy paladin healingIn what way? Holy Shock functionality doesn't look like it's changed at all, unless you are seriously arguing that Champion of the Light should have retained the 100% increased healing power from Int and be a mandatory talent.
>>583693209So long as hunter and lock retain top PvP specs i don't care what you pvelets do.
>>583693209Rogues should have been given party utility, like a 15% experience bonus for their party, or bonus loot and gold from mobs the party kills.
>>583693194HPal healing is fine youre just an idiot.
where can i find a tanning rack?
>>583693091Oh my bad, you listed Kick. That one works and even then it's the most DPS expensive interrupt in the game because it actually costs more than GCD.
>>583693278i thought blvd quit?
>>583693194Holy paladin in vanilla is horrible, i agree it doesn't look to be fun though
>>583693381It got better. Plus he was quitting retail, not trVe WoW.
>>583693143This nigga could have been as big as the other pserver youtubers/streamers during classic but he chose to be a retard instead.It's over for him.
>>583693381no one quits when the horns go off for classic+
>dungeon mob gives 15xp>regular outside mob gives 255xpkektop even
How do i conquer tanxiety
>>583693319They have lockpicking and disarm trap
>>583692965They just missed one key feature that's kinda important for a tank. So close to greatness.
>>583693285>warsissy infuriated at being a hybrid continues lashing out at his fellow hybrids
>>583693461So?? It's supposed to be less optimal saar!!!!
>>583693194>druid got wild growth>priest got penance>shaman got riptide>paladin got shit
>>583693469grow a pair
>>583693461Good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixCSAyUKJeQFURY GODS!?!?
>>583693208Stoneskin just needs to be changed to damage reduction percentage so its always useful, or an armor buff.
>>583693469A chill tank is better than an anal tank and if somebody bitches about threat just tell them to kill themselves and they won't do anything
>>583693461Why do you feel entitled to get XP playing with other people?
>>583693442THIS THREAD BELONGS TO ALEXENSUAL
where are all loli slop chads? i need some badly
>>583693469Know that only person you have to protect is the healer (and yourself). If a DPS pulls aggro, it's not your job to drop everything and save them. You can, if it fits into your rotation but you don't have to.
>>583693461>500k players killing the same mobs in the same area on launchhmmm, maybe taking a 2 week leave on 4th was a bad idea
>>583693278>>583693381jesus fucking christhe looks 50
>>583693542>>583693612>>583693689Ok lads, i'm gonna list as learning group and hope for the best <3
>>583693539All they have to do is make Light's Vigil splash healing when you hit a mob with it. Do we even know if Light's Vigil can crit? Also it's really fucking expensive for a buff/debuff that only lasts 30 seconds.
That's a nice role you have there mister tanking warrior. Would be a shame if a hybrid class came and joined ya
>the warsissies are all character swapping to boost niggers out of pure embarrassment now
I really think Blizzard needs to delay raids 2–3 months after launch. Otherwise some people might progress before I do, and that doesn't seem very fair.It's just that I personally won't be ready by then, and obviously the entire playerbase should be scheduled around my progression.Some people might be ready to raid at launch, but honestly that's pretty selfish of them. Do they not realize I'm still leveling?Blizzard should just ask me when I'm ready and release the raid then. I don't think that's unreasonable.
>>583693718He is.>>583693714Sovl!!
>>583693714That's why there's layers and Invite to group functionality.
>>583693718have you looked into a mirror lately anon
>>583693718He was born in the 80s so yeah
>>583693776Unironically yeah.
>>583693746>"Oh sorry warrior, we do need a tank but we'd rather go with the Shaman. His windfury totem is just so amazing and he can tank now too!"
>>583693740It doesn't heal if put on an enemy wigga
>>583693714I unironically love that shit
just ordered antoi nail fungs shit having this shit for years now class for this FEEL
>>583693873I'll have you know that I look my age at most.
>>583693887Not a single person born in the 80s is able to be 50 yet. Were you too busy sucking dick to pay attention in math class or did you try to pay a third worlder to learn it for you thinking that worked?
>>583693776Seems fair and reasonable! The game was made specifically for you after all! And this time, nobody will EVER exclude you!>>583693928Sorry! Nooe! Shaman isnt allowed to tank.
>>583693945Yeah I'm saying they should add an extra effect that splashes healing when you hit a mob with it which would at least justify using it offensively a bit.>a bit of damage>mana refund>some healing to help with throughput
>>583693746>shaman tanks being the fat ugly bastards of wow and stealing the cute healers away from the now cucked warrior tanks
>>583694103>And this time, nobody will EVER exclude you!No they fucking wont because Im a dwarf shaman, motherfucker.
if you fall behind the pack its overthere's no soddie level cap to save youthere's no instanced dungeon to hid inyou will be ganked by ?? devpet rogues until you quit
>>583694080Well you know what they say anon, 50 is the new 40.
>>583693746>>583693928metaslaves are so slow on the uptake I bet some will still reject paladin and druid tanks at 60
>>583693728Your only job is keeping shit off the healer.You are essentially just a bruiser dps.If DPS pulls aggro they can more than likely either tank it or CC it and it isn't even a remotely high priority for you to go pull it off of them, but you can if it's convenient.The only time you should be worried about this is if the dps is caught in a bad situation or lost cc, or is a squishy class and is like half health and needs to be rescued, and then it's your job to try and peel it off them.For example, a hunter can and will rip threat off you, and then it will just pet taunt and drag it back into the other mobs.A mage can just root shit and AoE anjd it isn't a problem.You're just a bruiser dps and just go in first and try and hold threat as best as you can, but your goal is still to just do as much dps as possible.
>>583694212And the best part?All these cucked, weak, victim type Bs have been tricked into thinking this game was for them.
>>583694136>"I'm sorry anon he just does soooo much damage and his mana totem feels so good!"this is so much funnier with the only alliance race being allowed to be shaman being dwarf
>>583694235Handpicking a paladin tank and a druid healer.
>Gimped shitty version of Seal Twisting that nobody likes gets put in the game to appease esfandWHEN I SAY STREAMER, YOU SAY GAMESTREAMER
>>583693497Both of which don't incentivize grouping with a rogue, the rogue will unlock chests for himself and disarm traps only if they directly impact himself.
Good luck we with the bear druids and prot pallies holding aggro in your dungeons, when it doesn't work out maybe try a shaman tank or maybe a warlock lol how about a hunters pet, dying is just part of the fun
>>583693776delaying raids, just means more time to corpse camp you while you're levelling because theres nothing to do and im not raidlogged
>>583694235Metaslaves are so fucking hilarious. They unironically minmax all the fun out of a video game and pay to skip as much of it as they possibly can then complain theyre not having any fun and there's nothing to do. Watching them writhe in agony from their self inflicted wounds never gets old.
>>583691198You have 2 huge issues here, friend.>DwarfNO ONE wants to play dwarf except redditors. Shitty animations, shitty armor clipping, shitty models, shitty boomer humor. People want their character to look good and the only thing that looks good on dwarf is priest or warrior if you disagree you're an absolute faggot.>2nd and more imporant is how group buffs work in ForeverIn a 20 man group you NEED 3 shamans but you can get away with 2 if you have less melees. Any melee or tank playing without windfury is fucked by every metric. Tanks will struggle with threat and dps will simply do 30% less and this will create issues in the group as well as friction. LE EBIN FRICTION SO CLASSIC MANEThe obvious solution to this would be to make buffs raid wide and that issue is solved. Until then you'll really struggle with raid comps especially on Alliance. Skyborne not being Shamans for the Alliance is criminal.
>>583693497Sure if there was a door that didn't have a key or traps that require disarming.
Did someone call for a Shaman tank? Yeah I don't need a shield. I can tank this with my 2hander. Yeah it's so big you need two hands for it.
>>583694418>and there's nothing to dobut there really isnt
Mage tank > Shaman tank.
>>583694343Hey you know the best part about twist of light? never having to learn it knowing full well that twisting is nonexistent without it
>check thread>Filled with incomprehensible gup-AI shill babbleHahah
>>583694436Chang's back from beating his cage to kpop
Bathing with trolls
>>583694372>>583694481they have the tools it's blizz's fault if they don't capitalize on themyou need a rogue to disarm traps in BWLyou could have dungeons where a rogue can lockpick a shortcut to skip trash or open to an optional boss or treasure room
>>583694562>>583694343Just go holy shock. It does more damage because your spell power scales better as ret
>>583694516Go play DEI of War or Gay TA 6 when it comes out. Plenty of pride flags for you to chase there, boostnigger.
what ruleset should I roll on if I want to avoid streamers and their fans? RP?
>>583694343Who cares there's going to be 5 paladin DPS playstyles because hero class and aggrend is too dumb for real 0.4s twisting.
>>583694683Yep. The retards who stare at swing timers can have their stupid little rhythm game thanks to their fat mutt spokesperson. Twisting is degenerate and I will never take part in jt.
>>583693461They're incentivizing 5 man open world grind parties, get four of your friends together and test it out, it's way faster than solo leveling.
>>583694807RP will be great but you can't raid. Those realms don't have raid guilds. You will have lots of fun doing dungeons and farming resources but when AQ40 rolls around you'll have no one to do it with. Great choice if you just want to PvP via bgs/farm gold
Why couldn't LEVEL5 make their game better?
MASSIVE pilav crashout over snutz buying gold for the tourney and getting away with it because he's paying tipsout under the table kekaroo
>>583694607
>haven't looked at the wow forums in over a decade>go lookHoly shit it's like pure concentrated reddit
>>583694826>absolutely seething warsissy continues to impotently, limply lash out at xir's fellow hybrids
Does Twisting even give enough extra DPS to be worth using for the average player? What are the margins on it? Is it something crazy like 20% more DPS on average?
>>583694826>Every class gets their sod specs removed>Except retardin who just loses exodin (might return as a relic lol)XDdd kinoooo!!!
>>583694683I plan to, just pissed off that you're forced to play a very rigid unchanging build with no flexibility in talent choice because of some faggots pretending seal twisting was ever fun.
>>583694979World of Warcraft?
>>583695110thats retail
>>583694956Wanting to do the raid designed after a faggot's colon so your character can look like a power ranger lol
>>583695046They only lost their gimmick roles. For instance, mages in Forever can still go arcane dps, frost/fire, etc.
>>583694080I was born in 1985 and I’m proudly 50. I didn’t choose this class but I am playing it.
>>583694624That might be the only time Disarm trap isn't a meme.Even if they make more of those, it'll just make Rogue(s) mandatory which isn't good either.
I hope penance gets giga-nerfed before the cringe streamer tournament. I want changes that maximize the amount of butthurt.
I'm not going to play pooever anymore, this sad and pathetic beta showed they don't know what they are doing and the game will be doa, the shills can't accept it and will face a great deal of frustration in november
>>583695209>brown retard cant do mathMany such cases.
>>583695189Those gimmick roles were kino thobeit
>>583695209You are only 46 goy
>>583695230Penance is unironically doing half of someones health every cast. A DPriest is going to completely shit on every warlock in the gold buyer tournament.
>>583695291They were all retardedly overpowered except rogue tank.
>>583695273Maths.
>>583694983Zamn, is it enough to kick start his test and return pre-prjsom rape machine p1lav?
Can you guys slow down 5 /wowg/ trannies killed themselves in the last hour because this place is moving so fast
>>583695219Mandatory classes is the spirit of Classic (for raids). You need warlocks for Twin Emperors, priests for Razuvious, rogues for BWL.
>>583695420>rogue is the most balanced class againThey can't keep losing like this
>>583695420And they were retardedly funBring them back and balance them instead of getting rid of them
Add Goblins nigga
Okay, whoever has been shilling that Alexensual guy, I hope you're getting paid by him for all of your tireless work.But I did just have a video of his pop up in my recommended and it's about the plague that is 'dad gamers' and Alex made an excellent point and I'm a bit bias in saying that because it's the same point I've always believed anyway.These dads that complain that they only have an hour a day to play. Why are they playing video games? Tell me why. Because my friend from school is a dad now too and he still tries to play video games with me, but I've put an end to that because he is a net negative to play with. Call me a bad friend all you want for saying that, I don't give a fuck. Two people who play radically different times cannot play together. Period. It does not work and it took years of this torture before I finally accepted this was the case, I don't even know why it took so long for me to realize that in the first place.ANYWAY, back to the Alex thing.He said if you only have an hour to play a day, you get home from work, you're with the kids till they sleep and doing dad shit around the house... then you get an hour to do something, anything.Why in the FUCK are you wasting that hour trying to play video games? An MMO in particular.How is that hour not being spent on fucking your wife?Dude, if I had an hour of my day only to do something, it wouldn't be playing video games AND I SAY THIS AS SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN PLAYING VIDEO GAMES MOST HOURS OF THE DAY FOR THE PAST 30 FUCKING YEARS.People don't want to hear this but there's a required amount of time you need to dedicate into video games for it to be worth it and an hour a day isn't it unless you're playing, I dunno, something like Vampire Survivors or w/e but come on, you can spend your hour doing something better than that.Dad gamers trying to get games brought down to their level, to cater to their miniscule amount of time they can play is an issue. Fuck off. Fuck your wife instead.
>>583695546There's literally no fucking way to balance mage healer without making it the shitty boring faggot chronostatic preservation build that only faggot retards used.
>>583695189Ans all the other gimmick kino specs aggrend removed because he didn't approve of them.Because it isn't emergent gameplay when he doesn't approve of it!
>>583695595What exactly are dad gamers changing about Forever in your eyes?
Spoiler alert: after they get their way, the sequel to>"how does it affect your enjoyment of questing if spamming 5-mans is an equally rewarding leveling strategy?"is going to be>"how does it affect your enjoyment of raiding if spamming 5-mans is an equally rewarding endgame gearing strategy?"
i wand my wotlk ret pally back man
>>583695732The dad gamers are the ones demanding the game be #nochanges and retail at the same time.
>>583695041Address me please
>>583691648its the opposite for me, leveling a shaman was fucking pain so since everything is wiped there is no reason to power through the slumps of primarily autoattacking and needing to drink after killing 1 mob
>>583695784Its all a cover to reenable boosting in 5 man's so they can keep paying third worlders to bussyboost them from 12 to 16 using their big, girthy, sweaty mages
>>583695784They should do the "once per day" lockout system that they did with SoD's Karazhan Crypts (only good thing about that shit dungeon) for endgame dungeons.
>>583695859Consider yourself addressed.
>>583693776They should do leveling phases like they do in the betaIt's fun to see how the game plays when everyone is capped at 20/30/40 and people wont feel like they're so far behind. Otherwise people are going to be 60 within the first week or two.
>/ourguy/ is livehttps://www.twitch.tv/salvdalihttps://www.twitch.tv/salvdalihttps://www.twitch.tv/salvdaliget in here sheenbros
>>583695595>dad gamers trapped themselves by falling for the 'normie dream'>they resent that they can't go back to just sitting around playing video games without a care in the world anymore>try to fuck things up for the rest of uspottery
>>583695943Might as well throw it into low level dungeons like in HC.Just make the quests completeable in one run (fuck you Wailing Caverns)
>>583695420Yeah I also hate fun and when other classes get to do more than one thing.
Another day of my favorite game: "Original Post or Copypaste from Reddit"
>>583695987Phases are good but not as long. It should be likeWeek 1: 20Week 2: 40Week 3: 59Week 4: 60
>>583695630Just make the beacons shorter and tweak the raw healing numbers. Mage healer is literally just atonement priest. Just copy that.
>forever launches at 2am my timeWhat the fuck is this retardation?
>>583696056Mage healer did top of the pack DPS on top of healing the whole raid.
>>583695954:D
>>583696051>The "normie dream" is being a normal member of society with a job and a family and not a neet
>>583696021>rend runmental illness
>>583694372There is no utility that can outweight being a nigger.
>>583695920There’s also that. By lvl 30 they’ll know how awful shaman still is and they’ll pick one of the meta classes like warrior or paladin.
>>583695987Even this 20/30 split was awful. I knew that the cap will increase soon so when I hit 20 I did Deadmines probably once and logged off because doing anything would be wasting XP from the next stretch.
>>583696149Wow Forever launch time is the least of your concerns, Syrupean. Your continent is on fire and being raped by Muslims. Deal with that first. You can play WoWF if you win.
>>583695987>>583696102wouldnt be as good as beta, you wouldnt try minmax you'd just swap and get alts capped and then you instantly have split runs at 60, and that would kill the world afterwards as you dont need to do as many alts later
>>583696187yes, well done for being smart enough to decode the obvious
>>583694372Chests now drop gear that gets rolled on by the whole party. Unless the rogue specifically says its his when he joins group, anyone should roll on it.
>>583696198If they passively gave their party bonus exp, loot and gold, it would make up for the stolen chests.
>>583696210>he didnt have 40 quests complete in his log to turn in as soon as the patch went live
>>583696021Holy fuck unc looks miserable. >no viewerslol
>>583696095Hardmode: >Long ass post>Reddit spacing>they swear and use nigger
Paladin or priest, guys? I want to mainly heal, but the thought of tanking seems cool too. My problem is that PvP as paladin is holy only, ret fucking sucks next to shadow
>>583696309Im just mocking you for making it seem like some sad, offensive thing when its you thats the problem with society.
>>583695925WoW players are soulless golem, whatever you do they'll reinforce the most optimal way to play the game as little as possible. If you want to get rid of boosting then get rid of boosting by making dungeon carries a slow and tedious ballache and actually enforce your RMT policy (Gold/h for the booster is what matters, not XP/h for the afk boostee). Target the edge case, don't upfuck the entire system and spawn in a bunch of other unintended behaviors like "no mdps since I'm only running this once and want all the gear for myself" or "don't pull that boss noob tank there's no q for it"
>>583696204>warrior>meta
>>583696328The rogue just won't unlock the chest until after the rest of the party leaves. Trust me, I do the same shit with the secret chest in Scholo as a Mage.
>>583696281There's nothing I can do about it so I'm just going to play vidya and leech government gibs
>>583696281Its funny because you literally believe this because assmongoloid or someone equally retarded watched a video
>>583691198I recently learned they nerfed the twin braid casting animations and they no longer whip around the air. I shan’t be rolling female dwarf shammy anymore.
>>583696350That would be wasting the kill and exploration XP.No, I just didn't care enough about hitting 30 soon as possible. I wasn't even able to play that weekend because of real life.
>>583696419ret pvp will be fine. Ret even in classic was decent in pvp because of the burst it has, which is being increased even more in Forever.
>>583696293Maybe but im having a lot of fun fighting people 25-30 at hillsbrad but if there was no cap I know some autistic 40-60 speed leveler would drop in to ruin it
Think we are going to get our legacy points tomorrow? I can't wait until next thursday because next wednesday I'm going to another state for a wedding and spending 5 days there
>>583696504Everyone knows where chests are. If the rogue doesnt open it I tell them to open it or else they get kicked for not doing their job. And I only play tank/healer so people will comply.
>>583696498>best tank>among the best dps stillYeah it’s a meta pick
>>583696428you sound bitter which ironically enough was the exact point i was making.why are you seething that i have all the time in the world to pursue whatever i want? shouldn't you be happy with your family and working tirelessly for mr rothberg?
>alex is using ai slop thumbnails to try to game the algorithm but it isn't workingchannel deletion soon
>>583696185>Mage healer did top of the pack DPS You must have played some bizarro SoD.
>>583696185Instead of the arcane damage doing full damage while still healing it should do less damage but still heal the same amount
>>583696435>>583696435>Gold/h for the booster is what matters, not XP/h for the afk boostee)Wrang. If the xp/h is too low, boostniggers wont pay it because it wont be worth the money. If theres no boost niggers willing to pay, the turd worlders shut their boost bots down.RMT's most vulnerable points all center around the buyer side of the transaction. The gold buyer. The boost buyer. You attack him.
>>583696596Nigger I didn't level up my lockpicking oh my badI actually did.
>>583696637Turns out being a jaded boomer who whines about everything isnt compelling to the average person
>>583691796Yknow I never thought about that
>>583696697Thats like saying you didnt pick up your tank stance as a tank, still kickable.
>>583696435So what system was fucked in this unfair attack, Mr. Booster?
>>583696637the algorithm promotes fat shiskins, not aryans like alex
>>583696696boosters will still pay, the point is you can afk in boosts, the time doesnt really matter as long as its done for you and you dont have to move much
>>583696707It appeals to /vg/
>>583696518>noo its not actually happening nooooLolLmaoYour entire continent deserves its fate. Make sure you tell the last guy with balls to set off the nukes on his way outm
staysafe won
>>583696675Mage healer in phase 5 was a frost spec that had infinite instant casts.
>>583696696Boosts exist outside RMT. Again you're not looking at cause and effect. You cannot buy something no one's offering, whether if it's for real money (banned) or just normal gold (doing anything else at 60 is more lucrative).
>1fp
>>583696435Boosting is easy to stop with 3 easy steps.1. No EXP if someone is above the range for the dungeon (already inplemented)2. No quest progression if someone is 2 levels above the dungeon range, just a safety net in case someone levels out of the dungeon mid run.3. Make bosses aggro all nearby enemies realistically in the same room or subzone. This would limit the amount of skips people do.
>>583696946/vg/ is infested with jeets but I'd still expect more from a 4channer.
>>583697097>nooo boostniggers are totally independent of rmt guise>nevermind that the currency boost niggers use is the seemingly infinite supply of gold they always seem to have despite never farming and actively bragging about raidlogging week after weekYou arent fooling anyone, boostnigger.
I'm still not sure what was the reason giving horde attractive shaman and alliance ugly ones.Is Aggrend's play to keep alliance pure from the oogabooga shaman scum or something.
>>583683569>we need heirloomsI will forever hate blizzard for chickening out and not giving us the rest of the fucking heirlooms.Give me the fucking gloves and boots and belt and bracers you fucking cowards.
>>583696675>warriorbvlls on topAs they should be.
>>583697097Boosting promotes RMT because of how expensive it is. The same people who sell boosts are often the ones also selling botted gold.
>>583697129>2. No quest progression if someone is 2 levels above the dungeon range, just a safety net in case someone levels out of the dungeon mid run.Why shouldn't I be able to ask a friend to run a dungeon for me for the quests?
>>58369667590% of sod comments are from here who parses grey in phase 1 and 2 and then dropped
>>583697293>warsissy clinging to the pastHybrid tax :^)Pick up the shield or put on a dress, warsissy. And you arent allowed to roll on non-tank gear, thats for the real classes.
>>583697401Because its lame and bad for the game? Its an adventure and its supposed to be somewhat challenging. Imagine if the fledgling adventurer asked the greatest hero of all time to do all his tasks for him while he just stood around.
>>583697401Do it with people your level, boostnigger
>>583694979this looks like Maplestory2. God I miss that game
>Keep trash mob exp shit>Bosses give lots of exp on kill>Boosting still happens but is a less attractive option because its easier and faster to pull all the trash and AoE it down but bosses make things more tricky as most can't be properly CCd>People are still able to run friends/guildies through dungeons normally and aren't heavily punished for itY/N?
>>583693776I really think Blizzard needs to expedite raids to 3-4 weeks after launch. Otherwise some people might progress to the same level as myself, and that doesn't seem very fair.It's just that they won't be ready by then, and obviously the entire playerbase should be scheduled around my progression.Some people might not be ready to raid at launch, but honestly that's pretty selfish of them. Do they not realize I'm not sleeping?Blizzard should just ask me when I'm ready and release the raid then. I don't think that's unreasonable.
Just bump up mobs to 50% of standard xp value and make quest exp 2x.
>>583697434Frost mage was a top 5 DPS in Phase 6. They had to gut frost mage by having you replace your ZG set. Mage healers were arcane/frost spec.
>>583696021you have the chance to reach the wider wow audiencewhich way pserver eceleb man>torpedo your own career like a sperg (alex, staysafe)>use your knowledge to slowly build a following(joker, laty)>be quirky jester dancing for the retards (payo, esfand)>be stuck in 1.12 forever and stagnate (dali)
>>583697560its fantasy life and it was incredibly fun at launch playing with other people.
>>583697639How difficult is it for you retards to understand that the dungeon XP nerf wasn't done because of boosting?
>>583697639No. No boosties for you
>>583695595Just watched the video. Rare W from him. Agreed with him about everything.
>>583697639Making trash worthless makes for extremely cancerous meta where people will come up with convoluted shit to skip as much of the instance as possible. Butt pull something by accident and the tryhard faggots will go apeshit
>>583697517The opposite. It's a reason to make friends in the game, because no one who isn't on good terms with you would do it (with the exception of some rare cases who just do it because they're bored). It's only an issue when it becomes transactional.
>>583697357Yes so if you say you're going to ban RMT then do it. That gets rid of 90% of boosting. The earliest boosters in the mid 2000s did it just to farm item drops and realized their guildies could get some XP while they do it. The other 10% you get rid of by reducing the Gold/H by making it take longer or more dangerous to do it with stuff like AoE caps. Tinkering with the XP distribution just creates other adverse behavior when doing the dungeons normally.
>ban all gold buyers>revert all dungeon changes including aoe farming>Implement wowtoken and level 58 boostFixed your game
>>583697910People already do that shit as it is because theyre addicted to LARPing as speedrunners.
>>583696021>rend runs instead of doing anything else with your lifeWhat is wrong with era players.Do they need professional help?
>>583698027>Tinkering with the XP distribution just creates other adverse behavior when doing the dungeons normally.Yeah it's really silly that you get 1.5 levels per dungeon now. It's like almost enough to get to the next dungeon.
>>583698090Yeah but we dont need to encourage it any further by making it the optimal way to run instances
>>583698070>Implement wowtoken and level 58 boost
>>583698070>create perfect loophole for direct-to-paypal boost paymentsYou retards are always so naked with your actual intent
>>583698070>rope yourself before postingFixed your post
>>583695595It's impossible for us to explain to people like you. It's like you guys haven't gone through puberty but we have, and we're trying to explain what it feels like to want to dominate and cum inside a woman but you're playing in the sand pit, eating boogers.
>>583691658They remember getting their asses beaten by Shaman tanks back on SOD
>>583698070>NOOO YOU HAVE TO LET ME PAY TO SKIP AS MUCH PLAYTIME AS POSDIBLE
>>583698192>>583698298>>583698343you know wow token will be in the game, right?
>>583698392detail slop
Hat status?
Leveling up use to mean something...
>>583698070But why not play a game that "starts" at endgame?
>>583697963I tank and heal dungeons for fun, because its the right thing to do
>>583698496No, gold buying will be illegal.
>>583690758>rogues top 1 dps
>>583697781>It was top dps in one phaseok.
>>583696021>Dali will not be playing WoW: Forever. While he respects the creative work being put into it, he is not personally interested in a heavily-modified version of vanilla.brehs..
What's the actuall difference between RP and PvE realms? Do I need to RP 24/7 over there?
>>583698463>and we're trying to explain what it feels like to want to dominate and cum inside a womanAlmost every dad gamer I've met is a miserable shell of a man that subscribes to the "happy wife happy life" mantra.
>>583698625They should make it so that you needed to use arms abilities to train the arms skill after leveling up.
Any vg guilds on PVE servers? turdle made me see the light about PVP servers
>>583698696Tick tock, brownie. Rogues will get capstone talents and top the charts in Patchwerk. On paper.
>>583697639Boosting isnt the only reason why dungeons were nerfed. Dungeon spam, even by same leveled people, is bad for the game.
>>583698750No you aren't forced to RP, they don't even really enforce IC/OOC really. Just don't disrupt RP events and don't name yourself Ballsy McPenisfart
>>583698803little space will be on the rp pve server at launch but pvp on the beta
>>583698826its bad because its slower than quests, and we need everyone to speed level to max for the raid unlock -aggrend
>>583698750RP servers are for trannies who want to ERP with children and groom them in discord later
>>583698825I genuinely cant wait to see the last warsissy holdout be 30% behind the tank on damage. Youll be able to hear his spirit break. Its going to be sublime.
>>583698945Dungeon spam is faster than questing outside of like perfected frost mage aoe farming.
>>583698750if you name your toons "six seven" or "john blizzard" you will get reported on rp realms and forced a name change
>>583698803Sorry, my socially inept wife (female) wants to play with me and I'm making a guild with the intention of her making some online friends.
>>583698750If you don't disrupt other peoples RP and don't name yourself something stupid you'll be fine playing ooc normally
Thinking if they'll make ubrs harder
>>583698745>>Dali will not be playing WoW: Forever. While he respects the creative work being put into it, he is not personally interested in a heavily-modified version of vanilla.We all know why.https://streamable.com/phmm9k
>>583699006its not, it never was, pure questing with an optimized route is faster 1-60 than dungeon grinding, and both are slower than hyperspawn grinding in a group or mob tagging
>>583698730It would have been top of the pack if they did the same thing they did with the tier 1 and tier 2 set bonuses where you can get the new tier with the old bonuses, but because they forced you to replace all your gear with "Sanctified" shit from Karazhan Crypts and the Argent Dawn, you lost the set bonuses. Phase 7 was a fucking disaster.
>>583699006>Dungeon spam is faster than questingNot in vanilla
Dont care what you say dungeon spammers. The devs have the data and I trust them. Dungeons will NOT be spammed.
>>583699006When boosters are trying to gaslight with "questing is faster than dungeon spam," they just mean restedxp optimized routes.
>>583698978And you know that how? You a child? You get groomed, pussy? Skill issue.
>Dungeons are 50% of the leveling speed of quest grinding with shit group >Dungeons are 100% of the leveling speed of quest grinding with strong group >Dungeons give no EXP if there is someone in it that is 5 levels above the top end of the range Fixed
>>583693461>play class that can aoe farm still>get ahead of the curve>pull packs of 5+ mobs at a time>600-1000xp per pull>skip all dungeons and quests>first to 60 with least time playedNot my problem.
>>583699152I don't think they want to make anything harder, just slight reworks and tweaks to make it fresh. A huge part of the appeal of Classic is that the mechanics are not very complicated and any gamer dad can play the game to its entirety.
>>583699006>Dungeon spam is faster than questingIt is if you have a perfectly coordinated premade group on the exact same time schedule for multiple hours in a row.
>>583699279The dungeon changes werent made because of efficiency. They were made because the current dev team feels like the open world should be the primary focus of a mmo and the dungeons should be one off adventures.
>night elves can go straight to stormwind with a boat from auberdineok, how the fuck is this classic?
>>583698756That has nothing to do with what I said.
>>583699426so dungeons at 60 should be 1 off adventures?
you sad rejects are mazed beyond belief. how the hell are you spending your day gameplay fagging this simpleton 20 year old piece of shit that requires the reaction time of my grandpa spilling a jar of room temp coconut oil. none of you are actually talking about the plus part of classic plus. which is the lore, and zones. why? because they're retail skip shit.
*rips your third world rmt swiping booster head off*WE WILL NEVER BE SLAVES
>>583699306Literally anyone who quests to level used mods to optimize it. Nobody just "wings it" anymore with WoW lol
>>583699483The game is over at 60. You won. Create an alt and go again.
>>583699374Thats part of why they nerfed mage AoE
>>583699370>>Dungeons give no EXP if there is someone in it that is 5 levels above the top end of the rangeThis really fixes all the complaints about dungeon leveling. The devs are fucking retarded shifting xp to quests. There is a faction imbalance in the amount of dungeon quest xp available now too, so yet another horde advantage created.
>>583699486Low tier bait
>>583699442yeah, the deeprun tram shouldn't exist either. this is way too much convenience. fucking casual sisses
>>583699426The old devs felt the same way but didn't get the numbers right for it and later adjusted their game design when they found out that players liked dungeon grinding by making dungeons that are shorter and easier to grind.
Do warriors and paladins even share optimal gear now? I'm noticing a lot of blacksmithing gear has regular stats and spell damage variations. If paladin needs spell damage do they have an entirely separate category of BIS?
>>583699392They also said they are making leveling raids so your gamer dad should know how to do a 10 man by then. They can tune ubrs and zg a bit more
>>583699306even random guys guides are better, zygor/joanna is better, rested exp is just the most optimized, all beat dungeon spam, dungeon spam is just comfy to not contest gay quests when servers go live
>>583699426>The current dev team wants to turn WoW into XIV despite XIV having drastically more fleshed out story content This is gonna be good.
>>583699306>Optimized dungeon grinding (which nobody does, they do lazy dungeon grinding with breaks, etc...)Is then compared to >Optimized questing route (using a better guide than restedxp, which most people don't really follow that much either)Yes. That is how you compare things? Are you retarded?I guess dungeon grinding is optimal compared to the alternative (ERP porno gooning in goldshire). We need to buff the xp gains from grooming children in goldshire!!Fuck retarded monkey.
>>583699564low fold brain.
BEST CLASS FOR A DAD GAMER???????????????
>>583699584Which turned into retail and sucks. They were right the first time. Dungeons bring people out of the world. They ruin immersion. They create weird metas and isolate people.
>>583699561They buffed my aoe though, so I will be using those spots which are now empty because the mages are questing.
>>583699629XIV is the way it is because of XI, and XI is the way it is because of Everquest. WoW having dungeon grinding was a mistake.
>>583699629XIV isnt about its open world either. You never really 'do' anything out in the world besides go from NPC to NPC to watch cutscenes and the occasional solo battle.
>>583699503I've never used addons for questing
>>583699152Making hard content is... Retail! Actually!!
>>583699442>NOOOO MY HECCIN WHOLESOME WETLANDS RUNERINI YOURE NOT A HECCIN REAL NIGHT WLF IF YOU DIDNT WASTE YOUR TIME GHOST RUNNING THROUGH WETLANDS YOU'RE JUST A CH-CH-CHUUUUUUUUUUUD
considering leveling a rogue on the pve server on launch it's pretty comfy solo
>>583699184It was.Also sanctified is how they are going to do "horizontal progression".
>>583699584they didnt actually, they design the game around grinding dungeons or grinding mobs in the open world, originally quests were only used to lead players to a new zone to grind, it wasnt till later they turned up the quests to make quests a viable alternative
>>583699442>takes a zep from UC to OrgIs this classic?
>>583699442It made zero sense for Teldrassil/Auburdine with their large port to not have a connection to the east.
>streamers rmt on stream blatantly and dont get banned>WE NEED TO REMOVE DUNGEONS BECAUSE OF RMT LMAOsome of you "people" are literally retarded
>>583699782This but unironicallyAny Classic Andy would immediately shit themselves when trying any retail boss with any retail rotation, and thats after the button prune gutted half the rotations.
people just don't raid classic era anymore now except tuesdays? is it over?
>>583699847>rogueOkay>pveWhat's the fucking point? The only reason to play rogue is to make other people miserable.
>>583699370>Dungeons give no EXP if there is someone in it that is 5 levels above the top end of the rangedo people not know that this is allready the case?if a mob is grey to anyone in your party, it will give 0 xp to everyone
>>583699629so we do MSQ and dungeon grind? or pure dungeon grind on an alt job, sounds good make it like that
>>583699442>mudhutters have transcontinental travel but it's "too much" for a major human capital city to have a port and ships running to a major shipping hub 3 zones over
>>583699153this guy is such a loser
>>583691490>why weren't dwarf shamans named gryphon riders or storm hammersLil bro actually think 'class skins' were ever on the table. Lol, lmao even.
>>583699948Yes but it shouldnt be. 1-20 Northern Kalimdor zones should primarily be populated with Night Elves. 1-20 Lordaeron should primarily be populated with Undead. And vice versa for the core Horde/Alliance territories.>>583699971They do, it's called Menethil Harbor. Stormwind doesn't have a harbor.
>>583699947Nah, you're wrong. They originally had the idea that people would only do a dungeon once, that's why they made shit like Sunken Temple and Maraudon and Blackrock Depths and then never made dungeons like that again because they saw people grinding Scarlet Monastery.
>>583700030I don't like pvp and I have a comfy dad guild who will take me no matter what class I play
WE ARE SO BACK
>>583700059it seems like hardly anyone even knows what the changes are and are just getting defensive not knowing its not only been fixed for boosting its been overkill nerfed on top of that
>>583700121The mudhutters didn't make those zeppelinsThe Jewblins are renting them out to them
>>583699978Exceptions have to be made for famous streamers who bring in tons of players anon. Just like in real life, the value brought by the rich outweighs the social aspect of letting them get away with crimes.
>>583695230>>583695407LEAVE PENANCE ALONE, DISC PRIESTS DESERVE THE BEST.
>>583699978Don't bother, goy cattle here will switch their tune once streamers can't quest, see that dungeons give sub 1k xp/1h and cry to have them unnerfed.
>>583700240Oh thank god
>>583700215Lore wise Stormwind did have a harbor. The lazy devs just didnt make it a playable area in vanilla.
>>583699971It made zero sense for nelves to not have ports on the eastern shore like they did in WC3 (in which those ports were used for travelling east), but WoW devs are hacks.
>>583700229im telling you exactly what the devs themselves said in the creation of wow from the book they made
>>583700212Can't wait for lil guptas to realize there will be no more new races or classes
is enchanting bait ? should i just go tailoring + mining or some shit?
How do you switch between outfits?
>>583700454The naga destroyed all their ports. Play the damn game.
>>583700273Oh sorry, but uhh you need to pay back taxes on that hybrid you're walking around with.
>>583700483What class? Enchanting has shaman bop totems for example which are cool
Is complaining about the difficulty of Diablo I an RPG or a retro topic?
>>583700215>Stormwind doesn't have a harbor.Yeah man the humans from the first war escaped the orcs by walking away.
>>583700541>hurf durf orcs destroyed stormwind it can't exist in WoWretard
>>583700556lock. enchanting fits tailoring nicely, but still it's a money sink while leveling .at least tailoring has nice items
>>583700556Are the relics/idols from enchanting basically mandatory or are they easy to get elsewheredo we know
>>583699153People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones
>>583700579Akshually...
>>583700567What exactly do you mean by difficulty of Diablo I? In singleplayer the game has a difficulty spike if you hit the Hell levels underleveled and undergeared, but otherwise it isn't a hard or grindy game at all.
>>583700704Mandatory.No refunds lol.
When will they buff Dwarf Racials?
>>583694436>NO ONE wants to play dwarf except redditorsTrvke
>>583700240Say what you will about sparklies, but there are some quests that are fucking bullshit without them, like that one quest in Swamp of Sorrows I think it was where you have to click objects that are the exact same color, hue and shade as the ground around them.
I'm guessing the eventual dungeon flow will be Wetlands Digsite > Unamed Bael Modan dungeon > Uldaman. Cool how they're going to ease you into titan stuff this time in a very natural and organically archeological fashion.
>>583700748That's him walking off a boat doofus.
when is the next podcast? can't wait to see how the fucking dumb and retarded devs were shitting pissing on the game this week and how much excrement they'll throw in it next week
>>583700929>only the first shitty dungeon is near alliance and the next two actually good ones are in horde backwards yes that sounds very classic
>>583700929I want the Bael Modan dungeon to be high level but enterable by low level players so you have situations where curious newbies walk in and get fucking killed.
i dont want to go engineering again and shit up my bags with trinkets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-DniAELoLQ
>>583701063The primary entrance to Uldaman is closer to an Alliance flight point than it is to a Horde flight point.
>>583698496Good, fuck farming gold, I farm money irl.
>>583700704I already decided I'm gonna use this and you can only get it from enchanting
>>583701198They should change them to have mage and shaman for both factions
>>583699782Unironically yes. The appeal of classic is that it’s an easy game, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
>>583701242>crafts it>drop enchantingThey really didn't learn.
>>583700509>>583700509>>583700509>>583700509>>583700509>>583700509Answer me
>>583698102I literally just want Onyxia. Nothing else matters to me but the journey to Onyxia. I must start a new toon, level to 60, and get slammed by her tail into whelps so that her boyfriend's children can eat my flesh while I'm still alive. Rinse and repeat.
If I am only making two characters one for each faction is Horde Druid and Alliance Paladin a good choice?
>>583699782You can make challenging content in a "Classic" game, but you need to release it after the easy content. Look at Naxxramas, most Classic players struggle with it.
>>583699692clancy
>he rolled a shaman>he thinks he won't be wearing a dress and casting chain heallol, lmao even
>>583701242Me, too, actuallyIt looks absolutely busted
The idea of a challenge in WoW is moving to a specific place or away from a specific place in between pressing the button that deals damage to the boss. And 99% of players use addons to tell them when and where they need to move.
>>583701227no one does uldaman its a skippa skippa
>>583701743Enhancement looks fine.
>>583699503Just going with a guide and questie is going to still be slower. It's only the optimized-speedrunner-this-is-my-8th-time-doing-this that competes with Dungeon spam.
>>583701743Slop site slop statistics slop post
>>583701851It has a lot of epic ebin questerinos, ackshually thobeit and you can form a lot of xp outside.
>>583701851no one will do any dungeons in foreverthobeit
>>583701743I hope they make druid and shaman buffs raidwide so that we can drop some dead weight.
Is there gonna be a launch reset or are the level capped characters going to stay for launch?
>>583701434what happened to her shoes?
so these cheap fucking niggers couldnt be arsed to make EU beta servers for the most anticipated game in the history of their companywill probably be fixed in the tourney though because they cant have EU streamers talking dogshit about the game no no no
>>583701743Enha is outdpsing all mages and rogues while bringing windfury totem? Explain to me how thats bad
>>583696525no way
trustworthy sources ONLY
>>583701998she took off to give me a footjob
>>583701963damn thats true, your not actually doing the dungeon because you want to, you're just doing it for the quest, its just a quest in an instanced quest zone
>>583702034First time playing a beta?
>>583702034beta is always only on na
>>583701851Horde players skip it because they only have 5 quests for it, Alliance players do it because they have 7 quests for it.
future main tank
>>583701434god i wish i was anduin and got /ss/'d by onyxia...
Are /we/ rolling PvP or PvE? I'm not sure yet because I think the whole 'permanent choice of Horde or Alliance' on the mega PvP realm is kinda dumb. Back in the day you could play 2 PvP servers, one Horde and one Alliance. Now its a permanent choice.
>>583696525bitch you lying to me?
>>583701843a small minority of people are playing for nostalgia sake and there didn't used to be addons that would tell you when to move.
>>583702034The routing from EU is fucked for a lot of euro ISP.Connect from a VPN.
>>583701851EXP wise Uldaman is absolutely one of the best instances in Vanilla. Disks of Norgannon alone is going to level up you twice
>>583702238
>>583702265Pvp to avoid assmongoloid!
>>583702265pve. i can always flag myself for pvp if i feel like getting ganked
>>583702265PvP for launch, then hardcore.
>>583702320WOWZA AWOOOGAAAAA
>>583702265pvp to have fun
>>583702320i've seen this guys penis.
>>583702107I just WANT to run this same challenge over and over with my higher level friend. I of course pay for his time but we're having so much fun.
>>583702238Literally me, expect we have no shaman sign ups so I probably have to roll one just so I can finally experience the windfury.
>>583702265PvP, don't worry, no type As play the game
>>583702268It's the most recent top post on reddit. Everyone that posts anything here is just a tranny from reddit. This site is dead.
>>583702034works from my superior EU country
seriously what time do people raid on era eu servers I have to wrap this up before everyone ditches this game
>>583702320This argument doesn't even exist in WoW because only gnomes have a smaller hitbox and only 0.5% of the playerbase plays gnomes.
>>583702303if I connect to a VPN i get stable 300ms, if I dont i get sub 100 but these picrel spikes every 30 or so minutes during peak hours, it is what it is i guess
>>583701432>>583701432>>583701432>>583701432>>583701432Answer me NOW
>Esfand: having fun with his audience and making bank from having fun doing silly stuff and playing games>Asmon: rotting and wasting away while earning millions from reading twitter>MattMorseTV Aka StaySafe: making bank from being racist >Stino Aka Poongoon: Has to spam his guild and start drama on /wpsg/ in order to stay relevant>Alex: shows the "Staysafe" wacist folder, nothing happens. rage quits channel. deletes it so those restedxp schizo videos are now gone. couldn't make millions from youtube in a month so he quits. Works at a warehouse to fund his tbc anniversary subwhy are 4chan streamers so bad?
>>58370255819:00 UTC
>>583700929And the boars in Durotar are all drones, we know
>>583702696Hey anon, I'm a 4chan gold user and can see your're shadowbanned. You need to make an appeal, no one else can see your message.
>>583702704asmon grew up on 4chan you nigger
>>583702265Not falling for the PvP server meme this time
>>583702704i see my reflection staring back at me when I look at Alex and I don't like itit's so ugly and miserable
>>583701756Yeah I'm actually not sure if we miss anything why it wouldn't be as good as it sounds kek. Because that should be the first unique shaman relic you can craft and it's only at level 20. Why would I ever use the other ones that are hyper specific for one spell only.If you also put in the 8 talent points in restoration you have 58% mana regen while casting.Hopefully they won't nerf it
you now miss tyler1
>>583702714wtf is a UTC? this is a Greenwich Meridian board!
Human Male Paladin or Female Night Elf Warrior.>Which will be the most wanted?>Which will be the better tank?>Which will be the better dps?>Which will be the better wpvp class?>Which will be the better bg class?
>>583702265I would like to know this as well, but I'm leaning PvP because I don't want to be stuck with all the dadgamers and normalfags
>dorf shaman>human/orc war>gnome lock>nelf hunterwhich one of the 5 combos is ideal? realistically speaking perchance
Druid can now root 3 targets at the same time and keep movement speed indoors. WSG games are gonna be so fucking fun.
>>583702983>I don't want to be stuck with all the dadgamers and normalfagsthey all go pvp because they think they do went when they really dont.adults go pve or rp
>>583702994for what
>>583702962>Which will be the most wanted?paladin, because you can put on the dress>Which will be the better tank?depends on the spellpower, probably warrior>Which will be the better dps?warrior will scream till bliz make them good, bliz said they are the best cleave>Which will be the better wpvp class?paladin>Which will be the better bg class?warrior if you have a pocket
>>583702320I would breed her and show how much of a tranny that makes me>inb4 "her"I know what I said faggot.
>>583703060>RP>AdultsLol
>>583702796alex and stino ran and were a part of multiple /vg/ communities
>>583703065ohh fuck just general day to day life i suppose
>>583702937You're right. I have been corrupted.
>>583703003Nature's grasp is baseline too. They can take all the early bear health and armor talents, then go resto for massive healing. WSG is going to be unplayable unless they remove every single wall climbing exploit on the map.
>>583696525FUCK
>>583703003Why did they make druid a better crowd controller than Mage, the class that has an entire spec based on crowd control?
>>583703060Absolute cope. One look at reddit will tell you PvE is where all the fartsniffing "I'm too old for this shit" fags are. RP is tranny central so Idk what you're on about there
>>583703171>he thinks children play warcraftonly manchildren, and again they roll pvp with ya boy asmongold because they love streamers.
>>583702704>no xaryuxarbros:')
It appears our superiority has once again led to some controversy
>>583703231>Nature's grasp is baseline tooDidn't even notice, absolutely based.
>>583702994>dorf shamanThis one is ideal if you want to play alliance because... well it's the only option>gnome lockProbably great racials seem good for it>human/orc warIt's like the standard so yeah also good>nelf hunterYep yep not sure what to say I don't think hunters have any real best defacto racials but I also don't play one. It's weird how there is no dwarf hunter racial considering how much they show them off as hunters
>>583703171Believe or not, there's no grooming in Goldshire. Every sick bastard there is a consenting adult (male)
>>583703194if dwarf shaman is ever one of your options just pick it, its so rare yet so desired everywhere
>>583702704I like going on Alex's channel and downvoting his videos and comments
>>583703313There is only 2 types of "human" that play RP>porn addicted pedophiles >Transgendered porn addict pedophilesBoth parse grey and are insufferable, so the perfect kin to 4channy loony troonies.
>>583703248I agree, both mages and rogues got giga cucked in the CC department.
>>583703003Druid players will still whine because they can't remove roots by powershifting anymore. Nothing is enough for hybrid locusts.
Locking mounts behind level 40 is an outdated game design choice that simply doesn't respect players time anymore.Most of us playing Classic today are adults with full-time jobs, families, and limited gaming hours. Spending 40% of your leveling experience literally just walking back and forth across zones like the Barrens or STV isn't "immersive" it's artificially inflated playtime.Giving players a basic 60% mount at level 10 or 20 wouldn't ruin the game. It would just eliminate hours of pointless running so people with actual lives can actually make progress.I know purists will cry about "the original vision" but let's be real we aren't 16 years old with summer vacations anymore. Lowering the mount level requirement is long overdue, and Blizzard needs to address it.
>>583703237>>583703279holy SEXO
>>583703279holy shit she is literally shirtless hereshame about the face
583703657bait post
>>583703352probably because esfand and staysafe enrage alex the most cause he was a part of their group once, xaryu was irrelevant back then
>>583703657Link the reddit post you copied
>>583703657You don't need to reach max level in a week though. So simple accept the fact the game was made with the assumption you won't reach max level until several months
>>583692374>Nah, Alliance has shoes and no ugly races.This nigga is attracted to Dwarves and Gnomes, lmfao.
>>583703657Kill yourself, nigger. That's all I have to say after reading that. The original poster should kill themselves too and if you actually are it, you should kill yourself twice.
>>583703375yes true, ive very little desire to play hunter rn ill play a hc one i reckon. I was heavily leaning shaman but ele being dogshit has me worried as i prefer ele to enhance especially wotlk ele is nice and i like chain heal. I saw the sims and warrior mogs every class so a warr alt is probably ideal then probably some gatherer and maybe another random alt for the other 2 crafting proffessions and thats probably a good amount of legacy points i cant be bothered to do the math right now
>>583703732Not exactly irrelevant, just an arena/retail proto ecelebxaryu is the only streamer who is tolerable btwdespite being a beaner mutt
>You can see the tip of Mount Hyjal from Thousand NeedlesNeat
>>583703805uh yeah, gnome and dwarf girls are cute
>reposted AI written reddit ragebait 10/10 general
Which one of you fucks is this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7hodaQRqpc
>>583703805Dwarves and Gnomes are full of joy and whimsy.Gnomes also function as live onaholes you can just grab and pleasure yourself with.
>>583703657Go play retail, tbc, wrath or mop.
>>583703657mounts shouldnt even be in the HECKin game chuddy
>>583703805Problem?
Funny that Forever is still not going to have mounted combat.
>>583704021Battlegrounds just feel so off when you can't mount up in that fake Arathi Basin feeling Eye of the Storm.
it's not ragebait. it's the truth. the game is rage bait.you piggies got baited. now you are huffing the cope, like always.
>>583704021On one hand based, but on the other i think locking mounts to 60 seems like a fair compromise.
>>583703896yep he was pretty much a literal who when it came to classic, while alex, esfand and staysafe were being pushed by asmongold. alex failed and the rest succeeded thats why alex has such a hatred towards them
>>583703959AHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think the game would be improved if the characters had a stamina meter for running and jumping
I think my thread experience would be improved if I saw more femskelf butthole
>>583704298Made for night elf pussy
I think the game would be improved if you had to balance your diet instead of just eating mage spawned caloryslop, argent dawn's opiate fruit and dragonbreath chili
>40% of the raid will need to be druid or shaman>At least half of those druids will need to be boomkinsWho the fuck designed this garbage?
>>583704147What is blud yapping about?
>>583703805Nothing wrong with dwarf girls
>>583704438what the hell are you going to do with more than 2 druids now that their auras are going to be raid wide
>>583704438Both of your points are wrong though.
>>583703805>>583704513I love dwarven women so much bros
>>583703595>they can't remove roots by powershifting anymoreWhat????
Olympus winny
>>583704249They should add dodge roll to avoid damage for skill expression too.
ALEXENSUAL RUNS THIS THREAD
>>583703237Is this the nerfed animation?
>>583704756you can tell she was a beast before the surgeries. her face barely moves
the truth is that the jeets are right about on thing: white skin tone is the single most attractive feature for a woman. she can have any number of other flaws and even be a slightly darker shade of white, she will still be miles ahead of green, blue, purple, grey and black women
>>583704848yes
Hybrid tax is basically a motte and bailey situation for warrior chuds. They say that it's an issue and love to complain about Pala,Shammy and druids doing anything but healing. But they don't like being put on the spotlight when they are objectively strongest in both DPS and tanking in classic
Why do zoomers keep talking about their e-daddies like anyone has ever heard of them?
>>583704756he won
>>583703805Why do you think 90% of gnome players roll female?
>>583704914Ah you see fine gentleman that they CAN'T be hybrids because they have only 2 roles, instead of for example the 2 roles Shamans have or the one role Paladins have.
>>583704871you can tell her entire personality and life revolves around taking money from weak men just looking at that picture
>>583704728You don't change forms to powershift anymore. It's just a normal cat form skill.It's a buff to pretty much all druids except PvP cats (lol).
>>583704914hybrid means its a class that can either do damage and healing or dps and healing or tanking and healingit has never ever applied to fucking warriors, nobody in the history of the entire game has ever referred to warriors as a hybrid classi don't even care about warriors but them trying to retroactively repurpose a term is what grind me gears
How should I spec as a priest when leveling? Seems like shadow gets fuck all damage until later levels and healing dungeons would be easier to find groups
>>583690514you telling me if i turn on hd settings before taking a screenshot it will be guaranteed ragebait?
>>583704914Well no shit. Being the strongest most alpha male possible means you're good at alpha male things, which happen to manifest in a wide dps-tanking spectrum. Hyrbid trannies want to be perfect at everything, even if it contradicts itself such a healslutting and Dpsing/tanking
>>583705135disc and wand
>>583704871So is this about the money, or is she like unironically a Chinese spy or something?
>>583705135Wand specialization and everything else is irrelevant.
>>583705167It goes both ways so it really doesn't matter what you do, it's guaranteed (You)'s
>>583703959
Hold on, does power word shield lose its cooldown with the discipline tree? It's 4 seconds and the talent reduces the cooldown by 4 seconds
>>583705135you can do whatever you like if you have wand spec from disc, and spirit tap from shadow
>>583704914That's false. I go on trade chat every day in era to brag about how this game that everyone else is enjoying is designed from start to finish entirely for the sole purpose that I, Grand Marshal Warriorgod, can be the single most important main character in the history of RPGs, and that they should all be grateful to me and my fellow Warriorgods Furor and Tigole for making this game that is an essential and irreplaceable part of their lives. And then they all /cheer and /thank me because they know that I am right.
>>583703959>the asmon phenotype
>>583705216>>583705226Surely the spells do more damage than wand?
Hey I want to be a healer boy, do you think I should go Shaman, Druid or Priest? (I don't want pally for now)
>>583705349Hahahaha, no. You'd be surprised.
Should I go PvE or PvP on launch if this is my first time actually playing wow?
>>583705349sure but then you'd have to drink which makes it slower than wanding
>>583705275yes 0 cd, and heals reduce the debuff to allow you to use it again on the same target faster
>>583703959>25 minutesHow do you faggots sit there and watch this type of shit.
Explain the appeal of healing to me. Is it merely the fantasy of sucking another man's cock? As in you suction dopamine and serotonin into your targeted target manifesting in heal green numbers?
>>583705085I know that but you said you can't remove roots? Or that other anon did. Changing form should remove roots?
Anons, I know most of you are dumb as fuck and retarded but I need ideas. My one goal in wow forever is to obtain thunderfury on my warrior OR rogue.>last 2 fresh i came close>has garr binding 2019 on my warrior>never saw baron drop his>anniversary same had garr binding never saw baronsI dont wanna make my own guild howthougheverestest.
>>583705349pre shield>mindblast>SWP>wand till deadspirit tap procs and you are back to full mana, rinse and repeat
>>583705402>Druid male healerCanon, but Male not boy>ChudmanAlways MAN>PriestOnly if sissy irl
>>583705093>"A hybrid is something made by combining two or more different elements, types, or sources to create a single mixed form"
>>583705510The power over life and death. You decide who lives and dies.
>>583705414RP but ONLY if you're going to respect pronouns and absolutely NO bigotry.
>>583705431Okay well I got my main
>>583705349hehnopenot until you get shadowform I dropped my priest after I got mind flay and it was a waste of mana compared to just wanding
>>583705510You get to pretend that other people depend on you for survival without putting yourself in danger and the probability of being called out for fucking up is significantly lower than if you are a tank.
>>583705550You don't have both powershifting and root removal in the same button (the shapeshift). You have to do them separately, which guts your mana and isn't worth it in pvp.
No, I simply will not be clicking on your youtube/twitch or whatever streamer shit, sorry (not sorry).
>>583705561Only Skyborne can wield Thunderfury in Forever
>>583705093Yes but in the context of the "hybrid tax" it should be applying to Warriors as well. Just less so than a Paladin.
>>583705582>mindblast>SWPDepending on your wand doing anything but wanding more is just a DPS loss because of the gutted spell base damage.
>>583705701Unfathomably based. Zoomers genuinely need to be sterilized.
>>583705349You're still going to dot the enemies and shield yourself, but casting spells is waste of time.
>>583705414always go pvpthe entire game is about interacting with other players, you are literally cutting out half of the playerbase entirely by default if you go full pve carebear mode and just shut your eyes to the "war" part of warcraftyou will never ever look back at the game and think that "damn, this quest about collecting 30 dog arses was so fun!"
>>583705596It doesn't matter. The hybrid tax explicitly exempts warrior because the tax is paid TO warriors. It wouldn't make sense to tax the king for having a treasury either, right? You pay taxes TO the king. That's how it works.
*burp*Whew. That there leyline lvl 5 mana water be hitting different doe
>>583705510It becomes a lot more of an attractive option when you don't base it around the desire to put a penis in your mouth
>>583705736shadow didnt get gutted and only need like 70sp to be back at full power, and the pain goes off on the same global the mindblast hits, its great to pull with
>>583705841hardcore pvp is where reall nigga wowerrs are be
>>583705879>>583705736oh and dont forget dots crits baseline, the blast pain is worth doing, its the holyfire you skip adding in, all the holy skills got gutted with the scaling change
>>583703657True especially since druid and shaman get a faster travel form at 20 already for free
So as a priest I should just go straight with a raid healing spec while leveling?
Why the FUCK does shadow priest scale so hard. Just a casual 30% increased shadow damage
>>583690758this game is fucking cooked
>>583705414It comes down to this>if you go pvp you accept the fact that you could waste hours of your play time daily on dealing with getting killed in unfair fights. includes having to corpse run multiple times to get in a dungeon or raid, having big groups outnumber you, higher levels camp you, having to move quest areas cause theres too many horde, fighting over resources like herbs and ores.TL;DR if you are a jobless neet thats ok with wasting their time, go pvp. if you have a life, go pve.
>>583706154Bitch it's a video game. It's all a waste of time
>>583703959>The Noticerkek someone has to send this to Asmon he already looks like him
>>583706108you get wand spec and spirit tap at the start and after that its whatever until you can get shadowform or penance
>>583706154>jobless neetah yes as opposed to a neet with a job
>>583706223>>583706291Just get a job, fatass.
>>583705730Nah. Warriors fight and paladins heal or fight. So warriors should always fight better. Plus warriors are just more important and the non-warrior classes have support abilities to improve warrior performance slightly, that's their role in the game.
>>583705701But anon, Streamer Man said the thing! How are you going to have an opinion without Streamer Man?
>>583706309Fuck you
>>583706309Das right, spread your cheeks goyim. You don't want to look back on your life on your deathbed and regret not working more hours for massa
>>583706110It's because mind flay has trash baseline scaling.
>>583706309most wagies i see are fat and cortisolmaxxed as opposed to the homeless with full heads of hair and chadly features
>>583706408>>583706414>>583706442Fat needs seething.
>>583705510Why does everything have to be sexual with you freaks
>>583705510I always disliked seeing green HP bars go down and loved filling them up in RPGs. Now it's the same just that I don't heal myself or my NPC party members but other players instead.Green bar getting fuller makes me feel good.
>>583706502shouldnt you be at work im confused
>>583705135wand spec and spirit tap+imp swp until penance or shadowform
>>583705583I'm not a sissy ._. I'm just a small bottom fag, I think I have to go fem nelf priest
>>583705085It's not a buff to anything. You're forced to spend 3 talent points on it (formerly free), and then you get similar functionality except with an 8s cooldown, while before you were powershifting roughly every 4 seconds in raids. There is no case (except retardation) where it's a buff
WARYOR STATUS???????????????????????????????????
>seasonal pvp rankingso what is the incentive to rerank every season meant to be if the rewards are "horizontal" and don't award any additional vertical power?
>>583706573Loon>goon>troon.
>>583706638fury sword and board into full prot while leveling = op
>>583706609>>583706442>>583706408>>583706414Here you go, first step towards being a human being. Then get a job. >>>/fit/77554284
>>583706502>>583706691SKINNY neet ACKshually. I've also had sex with 7 (SEVEN) women. You may seethe now.
>>583706691I'm not fat. However I have not had sex with a woman either tbf
>>583706630Soon you'll finally become a loony goony troony and then a pedo.Roll rp.
Why did they give Vampiric Embrace 50% uptime>
hopefully restedxp gets updated and i can level effiiciently enough to keep up with my favorite streamers
Let me cover the bones on my femsaken please.
>>583706636It's objectively a buff compared to the state of ferals in Forever before they added that talent.Do you really want to go back to classic where you did half the damage of real dps classes? Or do you just want to have all the benefits from every version of WoW?
>>583699653What do you envision optimized dungeon grinding as; focused only dungeon running with no breaks and constant resets? No right? Ok so what do people generally do when questing, not using guides? Running around a lot because they're not optimized. Stuff like restedxp or zygor has you spanning the two continents and stuffing quest items in banks for ages just to shave off a bit more time. No one ever does that without leveling guides, which is "optimal questing." So unoptimal dungeon grinding was more xp/hr than unoptimal questing leveling, and it's retarded to not know that.
Finding out the meltdown surrounding Forever is due to Warriors being nerfed to just being exceptional instead of godlike was like finding out flat earthers are just religious nutjobs who think a round earth is violating God's covenant.
>>583706630Hate how you can't have a cute male in this game.
>>583706894She should be covering my tauren's bone
>>583706848its only going to be updated up to lvl35
>>583706953Go fuck yourself
shadow really dodged the nerfs, got buffed in talents and crits
>>583706652Do we know anything about the pvp rewards?I want to do pvp for gear and not be stuck in raids with retards.
>>583706894Play the China client
>>583706894nyo
>>583706681Whats the plan for prot leveling? I'm thinking 12 points into prot for shield spec, imp revenge/TC, master of defense. Basically getting the prot core that generates lots of rage while being tankyThen you can switch to fury
>>583707052pvp gear was universally nerfed by like 25% due to how much easier it is to get now
>>583705349I calculated these earlier. >Exact numbers differ based on level (and what ranks your spells have) and sp, but here's how things stand at level 24 with 60 spell power (assuming wand spec, imp mind flay)>Holy fire - 44 dps, 1.6 dpm (damage per mana)>Devouring plague - 117 dps (dot dps is calculated with 1.5s gcd, not duration of the dot), 0.82 dpm>Mind blast - 88 dps, 1.2 dpm>Mind flay - 87 dps, 5.8 dpm>SWP - 160 dps, 2.5 dpm>Gravestone scepter - 36 dps>Holy fire is hardly better than wanding.>Devouring plague ooms you.>Mind flay rivals mind blast when it comes to dps while being 4x more mana efficient
>>583707052Won't you be stuck with retards in BGs instead?
>>583707009AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>583707114dios mios
>>583707024Still does shit dps and got raid utility/buffs nerfed
>>583707134ye pretty much this, i usually start with 5 points in fury because i do enjoy my crits and then go into prot for the core stuff
What race has women most likely to call me a good boy and love me unconditionally?
I'm excited to see what they do with the new Sky Elf Models.
>>583706985>Hate how you can't have a cute male in this game.Skelf?
>>583707167I can kill the retards.
>>583706638>arms and furydead content until further notice>protborderline OP, but in a good way
>>583707147>>583705349Shouldn't this scale much better at late game?
whats more fun between warrior and shaman? thinking mainly enhance for shaman and prot for war
Asmongold's girlfriend is playing a slutmogged Nelf. Who runs a bisexual strip club
>>583706953From what I read around the internet (including here) I thought that they made warriors the worst class in the game, turns out they just want from gods to demigodsThe big strong gigachad warrior class is played by a bunch of prima donna drama queens, who knew?
>>583707251the numbers put it as the highest caster dps right now and the scaling numbers only mage will outscale, its probably going to get nerfed
>>583707463Shaman is endless fun because you will literally one shot fucking everything. And everyone will want you in any group because of totems
>>583707323In this version? Tauren
>>583707512Tell us where the Warriorchad grabbed you, sissyfriend.
Professional Vanilla WoW raider Kungen is confirmed to be competing in the $100k dueling tournament.He says he's going to win with his secret OP warrior tank build.
>>583707652>Professional Vanilla WoW raider
boost selling shitskins are seething because there's no "competitive" pvp
>>583707463both are pretty fun actually, hard to go wrong there. I'd really pick based on whether you think you would enjoy the other specs.
>>583707147But how is the leveling tho? Can you kill most mobs with mind blast + swp + 6 seconds of wanding or would that only be like half of a mobs hp? What would actually be the spells you want to cast per mob and can you keep that going without drinking after every other mob?
>>583707601>>583707323>How may I aid you?
>>583707652man he always had the same ugly face his whole life? I guess that's why he spent 50000 hours in wow thenhe looks like an old babyold baby face
>>583707828thats a full kill on a mob
>>583707759No they're not. We're mad there's no incentives to go further beyond.
>>583707329Really? It's quite likely they just grab blood elves model and make it blue
>>583703959Damn, he must be downright hyperborean because his skin is BLINDING ME!
>>583707828>>583707895and youre full mana after the kill with spirit tap regen, priest never needs to drink rest or stop
>>583706917Now you're just contradicting yourself, unless you want to claim that current feral is worse off in pvp than it was in classic (where it was trash), because you didn't want to admit that you said a retarded thing about shifting power being better in non-pvp contexts.It's a gutted version of powershifting in all ways, and they even made sure to pre-emptively kill bearweaving so it wouldn't make its way from wotlk to forever. It also promotes monoform design for druid where they just stick to one form, so you get to choose between a budget warrior, budget rogue, budget mage. >Do you really want to go back to classic where you did half the damage of real dps classes?It was actually decent early on, but scaling and itemization meant it couldn't keep up.
>>583706923>Unoptimized dungeon spam according to 4channy looniesNon stop playing with a small smoke break mom stop big M+ aoe pulls (everyone plays like this, huuh trust me!!!!)>Unoptimized questingDoing one quest then chain dying to a wolf while stroking your micro penis for 4h straight (the way to play wow awooga porno loony!!)Got it!!
Why are there no changes yet we were promised a patch this week I just wanna see if they unfuck shaman or more than likely make it worse.
what do you mean i have to grind honor ranks and not just win trade my way to epic weapons? piece of shit blizzard
>>583707114>>583707120>>583706986Please...
>>583708114Impregnating fem undead
>>583707114>Sylvanas' strongest defenders>Ugly fat men
>>583707975They could add new models in Body Type 3 && 4 while also adding SD Variants for the Sky Elves we have now.
>Mandatory warriors in raid bad>Mandatory druid and shaman in raid goodYou guys are fucking retards.
>>583708219>>583708089Tsar bomba levels of TRVTH NVKE
>prist>pali>dudu
looking at the pvp system info...does this mean r14 is actually achievable without literally, genuinely, honestly nolifing the game for 4+months? it sounds like there is no decay? just a requirement of hitting X honor points within a season? with no mention of % based brackets, so as long as any player accumulates enough honor, they become r14. if all of that is true, wow thats big news. the only variable then comes down to how long is a season, and what changes/is added between seasons.
>>583707114Why does the bugman fear bones showing?
>>583708106I hope we have rank decay and a rank requirement to wear all the gear.Honor grind F O R E V E R
A lot of people will get bored with nothing to so besides easy mode raids and casual bgs desu
>>583707898this will be a universal theme in forever. the raids will be sod bfd levels of difficulty that any pug will smash through in 1-2 hours. expect both pve and pvp'ers to generally be bored after the first month of each patch a la retail seasons.
>>583708231Warriors are still mandatory because of sunder, demo and thunder clap
>>583705510I wouldn't know, I play disc and I just prevent damage. In retail, I just throw general atonements and attack to heal.Basic healing is quite boring, yes.
>>583708096They'll make it worse >>583708231Mandatory buff classes ackshually epic and anti retail thobeeeeit. Class stacking is only like, erm, bad if I don't agree with the class being stacked.
Why is snutz allowed in the tournament if he missed cutoff?
>>583708076Too bad hybridcuck. Your forms will be budget versions of the real class and if you roll feral you will not have any ability to use anything outside your designated form. Also we're going to add so many talent points in feral that you can only effectively be a cat or bear and not have access to both.
>>583707404Post 40 you can start casting spells
>>583708076>Now you're just contradicting yourselfThe claim in my first post of the chain was that druid players will whine regardless of all the buffs they've received in Forever, because they lost minor indirect benefits from powershifting in classic. I didn't contradict this at any point. To the contrary, you just made my point.
>>583694956>RP will be great but you can't raid. Those realms don't have raid guilds.Anyone with even a small amount of experience with RP servers would know this isn't true.
Why has blizzard lost the technology to just import the vanilla models?The SD models don't even have their original facial animations.
>>583708327you can just go back to r*tail and collect moggies and mounties with the rest of the soccer moms
>>583707351That's way too manly. I want a cute femboy
>>583705342he's what asmongoloid wishes he was, an autistic and educated political scientist.sad that society would rather elevate a noisy fraud.
>>583708231>bringing 25 warriors to raid is gudfuck off.
>>583708356>demoBear druid>sunderRogue>thunder clapNot mandatory anywhere
>>583708425rules are for retarded goys not for streamer master race
>>583708231Warriors have good utility and will never not be required though
I genuinely can't believe people paid money to play a beta just to literally stay on the sides /bowing to fucking Asmongold.Are these people mentally ill? Who the fuck comes tired from work, opens a videogame and LITERALLY stays on the sides of the Stormwind entrance so Asmongold can walk forward like a king?These people literally worship him and he's getting such a massive god complex. How can people be so pathetic???
>namedropping randoms like we're just supposed to know who they are
>>583708472Anyone with any experience in wow knows rp realms are inhabitanted by actual shitters.
>>583708650The only unique utility a warrior has is battle shout. Knowing blizzard they'll probaby tack that shit onto trueshot aura at some point.
>seal twisting>resource ticks>power shifting>anything requiring gaming the swing timer>downrankingwish they would get rid of all of this jank. unpopular opinion I'm sure, but I don't give 2 fucks. "emergent gameplay" "skill expression". get the fuck out of here with that shit. Just call it what it is, ultrasweaty tryhard exploits. yes, even downranking. non-magic classes can't downrank, because it would make no sense to. spells should cost % of mana, not a hard number. stats that give + mana should instead give mana efficiency, which applies a formula to your spellcosts so that it shakes out to the same benefit. poof, problem solved.
i have total faith in bliz fixing everything and i am having so much fun with this beta uwu
>>583708470>It's a buff to pretty much all druids except PvP cats (lol).Alright, you want to claim that the [it] here refers not to shifting power that you were talking about, but all the changes druid has received.Naturally this means that you also claim that all the changes druid has received have overall been a nerf to PvP cats. This is quite a wild claim to make considering the state of feral pvp in classic, a game where druid role was relegated to being FC in WSG and doing hybrid stuff in wpvp.People sure are afraid of admitting they're wrong.
What’s the best class to play if 90% of my time at 60 will be spent in a bg
>>583708827retail fixed this
>>583708857>>583708857>>583708857>>583708857here you go tranny niggers, you can go back to dilating
>>583708827Retail of toilet is over yonder
>>583708827>>seal twistingdps paladins are just going to end up being holy casters in plate. Their weapon damage will be meaningless.
>>583708918druid and hunter
First mana totem isn't until 26No wonder I haven't seen it yet. Always going oom with these enh tards
>>583708076Truth is nobody but feral players want feral doing good because kitty cat topping meters just seems retarded to most.That's just the truth.
>>583708608They doubled thunder clap effect to 20% attack speed reduction. If the raids are so easy thats it not mandatory anywhere then every buff falls in the "not mandatory anywhere" category
>>583708805The claim was that RP servers have no raid guilds. This isn't true."They're bad" is a separate claim.
>>583708961>I don't want them to fix anything because the broken game design benefits my class!!!!!!cry harder faggot, all of that shit is gonna get done away with soon enough
>>583708914
>>583708914very s o v l.Night Elf Females have a misty ethereal glow to them.
>>583708875"it" being the addition of Shifting Power and the removal of Tiger's Fury. It's the change they made in Forever to please the powershifting crowd, you dingus.>Naturally this means that you also claim that [the addition of Shifting Power and the removal of Tiger's Fury] has overall been a nerf to PvP cats.Yes, it was. Retard.
>>583708817>can switch to tank on the fly>taunts>sunder>aoe taunt that doesn't even harm their DPS with a lip>devs said they will be king of cleaving
>>583709139its the same with every character, they dont breathe
>>583708914>not posting the most important thing that was taken away, their slutty bounce
>>583708836blizzard has been working on this for 2 years and it never once occured to them that classic players would want classic models - the streamers had to tell them. the devs are clueless and this shit is doomed.
>>583709092If it becomes mandatory then it's basically requiring all tanks to be warriors since they're the only ones pressing TC>can switch to tank on the flyTell me you've never played the game before without telling me you haven't played the game before>>tauntsDruid / Paladin>sunderRogue>AoE TauntDruid. Paladin doesn't even need it, consecrate may as well be an aoe taunt>king of cleavingMages and hunters have better aoe
>>583708836But are you having a blast?
>>583709271Nah it's still there
>>583708439This is honestly the issue of focusing so much on raid balance. I'd much rather have better class design over balanced raid performance despite parsing in classic. But uh hybrids need to be 95% so they're not allowed to do anything outside their roles except deal 100 damage with max rank wrath.
>>583709271
>>583709448dah yes hunters, the kings of aoe damage with their 3 target multi shot every 10 seconds
if you're playing a hybrid in vanilla you simply hate yourself
>>583709498is it? i thought that was removed a long time ago, along with /spit and several /silly and /flirt soundfiles because they were problematic. that reminds me, are the paintings intact in IF? or are they fruits? does anyone know if race girl in shimmering flats is wearing daisy dukes or culottes?
>>583705868
>>583709598surely they will change all the animations back to classic?surely
>>583709609>doesnt know about trap damage
>>583708089I'm very sorry that your way of life may have to change due to not being able to sell boosting services. I felt great pity for Columbians when I heard it was a more viable job to grind gold in Runescape rather than get an actual job.
>>583709570Too bad, the malding parse trannies on reddit want blizzard to delete all your utility.
>>583709598
>>583709609In combat traps and volley scales with attack power without a cd now you dumb nigger
>>583709629Non-mage pure DPSes are the worst picks. I guess warlocks have their.. uses.
>>583709570>>583709794I'm genuinely shocked by people being mad at being -5% dps. It matters this much to them?
>>583709629enhancement shaman has been fun so far, the neurons activate when windfury procs, I dont get that feeling on regular dps
>>583700781>In singleplayer the game has a difficulty spike if you hit the Hell levels underleveled and undergearedThat's me!
>>583710284They're never going to be taken to raids if their class theoretically deals 5% less while providing no utility and will miss out on everything and will be forced to roll a rogue to be the best single target dps (theoretically as they'll get blue parses).
>>583710284You have to lose utility to be within 5% of a warrior or warrior requires more utility be added to them. It completely fucks class balance in all other aspects of the game to let hybrids be that close.
Taking bets on how long until FAILever diesI give it a year tops
>>5837107066 weeks1st month is people getting to 60then 2 weeks of raidlogingthen the despair begins
>>583710609>>583710612Isn't the solution to simply make each hybrid dps spec bring something to the raid that makes up for the potential 5% dps different? Shaman get Windfury Totem, feral gets 3% crit aura, pallys have auras and various bubbles or blessing stacking, etc.
Forever will become a much better game once all the retoilets inevitably go running back to their mobilesIop to do dailies for gay centaurs.
5% literally means nothingminmaxers should be publicly skinned alive
>>583711210That's what I mean. A raid leader sees -5% and says no to innervates, totems, blessings, etc?
>>583709139they need to just commit to the SD direction and bring back the old SD animations.Retail models do not win against SD Models and Animations.
>>583703959He's actually really knowledgeable about this. If it's one of you guys good job.
>>583711004Yes but your average player only cares about WcLogs meta rankings, and therefore those things need to be removed for more damage.
>>583703959the motherfucker is so uglyeveryone who plays this game is so ugly, what the FUCK
>>583712228No, I'm handsome.
>>583690758>>streamers can freely rmt with no consequenceAlways has been>>no dungeon expCry about it, total booster death.>>no new classesGo to retail for those, faggot.>>bad balance classesYou're just bad at the game.>>insane new gear power creepYou're just bad at the game.>>shitty old gearWhich is it, faggot? Insane gear power creep or shitty old gear? huh?>>all leveling through questsYes, its an RPG faggot.>>zero social aspectsYou're asocial.>>unbalanced pvpYou're just bad at the game.>>rogues top 1 dps because yesYes.>>all hybrids suck because hybridsYou're just bad at the game.>>all twitch channels blatantly viewbottedWhat does that have to do with the game you asocial parasocial faggot?>>massive reddit post a sunset and get 3000 likes psyopMeds.>>ugly new elf raceYou're not White.>>new elf race breaks loreMuh lore, lol.>>low effort elf race for both factions because it's cheaperOh no the company wants to maximize profit. Who would've thought.>>everyone still needs to be an engineerYou are forcing yourself to do this, faggot. No one is forcing you to min-max.>>endgame is still raidlogYou haven't even seen the endgame yet, faggot.>>speedrunning to 60 in 2 weeks and then raidlogging is still how the game is meant to be playedYou are forcing yourself to do this, faggot. No one is forcing you to min-max.>>main dev literally said in a podcast he is going to make rogue the best class in the game because he wants toYes. Cry about it.>>main dev literally said in a podcast that the players are fucking retarded if they don't play rogueYou are retarded yes.>>biggest streamer is a naziGood.>>biggest streamer killed his own motherMeds.KYS. Tonight.
>>583717454>nooo you have to like what the internet says you have to like or else your are boring and give me the ick reeedo incels really fall for this argument?
>>583710706>>583710956What makes "people" do this in every general on this site?>dead gaem>Bro it's cooked, just give up>shit looks trash, I give it 10 nanoseconds>game is over>game is dead, pack it upNo person stops playing this game because of your attempted demoralizarion, I can only assume that is the point?Or is it just terminal /v/ermin contrarianism making you incapable of not commenting in every thread you see.
>>583698070Why did you say that about 58 boost and wow tokens.Are you a blizzard employee
