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stellar event as usual

They should add a "quantum drive overheating" mechanic to act as a range limiter for quantum jumps besides just fuel supply. That way you can have something that can jump 400 Gm total, but can only jump 50 in one go. Make it a function of the drive itself (heat gained over distance) and ship frame(capacity of heatsink), This'd be how they could make larger ships "faster" over long distances as they have a larger heatsink and can run their QDs at max speed for longer.

This would fix shit like the RAFT being a short range freighter with 4 times the range of exploration ships. Keep the fuel capacity, but it can't use all its fuel in one trip.

This would also make it so you can't cross a system in one go but don't need to refuel every time you jump a planet. As well as tie the cooldown before you can spool the QT again to actual game mechanics rather than an arbitrary stat on a spreadsheet.

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>>1523680
>moving cargo while flying
tsk tsk

>>1523677
I'm 3rd tier concierge but I'm not buying an unironic thousand dollar jpg, I refuse to hand over money for nothing.

>>1523724
>I'm 3rd tier concierge
>but I'm not buying an unironic thousand dollar jpg,
>I refuse to hand over money for nothing.

Does not compute.
If you've got thousands in how have you not handed over money for jpegs?
and the Ironclad isnt a thousand dollar jpeg its 400-530 depending on which and how you got it. Its actually the only ship I paid near full price for.

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>>1523724
i have to disagree with you man, SC, as it stands now, is literally nothing. The alpha is garbage and unplayable, and there are no gameplay loops or purpose to those that already exist. All the money they received so far has been for nothing, yes the ships looks good but there is no game to play. SQ42 looked good in Citcon so we'll see.

>>1523743
>leopard tank
>but yellow
Woah so futuristic!

>>1523752
komatsu is a japanese heavy machinery company you idiot and that fake tank looks nothing like a leopard, any one of them.

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Starfarer chads, our gameplay loop will happen soon

>>1523758
Cringe

>>1523758
Based.

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Anyone ever seen Morozov with grey-brown colours and autumn camo? Its just called Morozov-SH Arms but is very different to the default in shops.

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>>1523791
Another shot, also included is an S71 with an emod stabiliser, which I didn't think possible.

>>1523727
Every ship I own is flyable.
>>1523743
Yes but a buggy ship in a buggy game is better than nothing at all. Also concepts are more likely to be massive bullshit ships that won't release for years and years. Spirit was one of the only reasonable ones and its very small.

>>1523758
It's funny to me that one of of regulars ITT is genuinely fucking unhinged. Are you also the guy who said he'd murder his friend for gifting an Intrepid? What's it like to be this mad all the time? Does it get old?

>>1523809
>murder
What are you talking about? I was there and he said slap not murder. If anyone's unhinged it's you.

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>>1523809
>>1523818
this interaction

>>1523818
Shut up samefag nigger I don't live in these threads

something so absurdly simple that I cant believe its not already implemented just occurred to me.

We file charges against people when they kill us in comm range right?
Why does that filing not also file a wrongful death/assault/property destruction penalty along with the crimestat?

Murder someone in Commlink coverage, murder charge gives you CS and puts a bounty on you, BUT ALSO deletes 80k credits from your account, 40k goes to the victim, 25k goes to the bounty hunter who kills or captures you, 15k goes to "fees" IE the game deletes it or it goes into a local government/security fund in the game economy.

30k for assault
some scaled number based on property value for destroyed property.
charges and penalties are cumulative, so for example, in policed space attacking someone without cause, blowing up their ship and murdering them will instantly delete like 150k from your wallet so it'd better be worth it.

griefing instantly becomes a massive money hole for assholes and criminals are heavily incentivized to bring down comm arrays or do their criminality in unmonitored space and also to NOT kill people and frag ships and instead get their loot by coercive but non destructive means. Maybe get that assault charge and CS2, but dont kill them or blow their ship up and scoot with 100k worth of loot, you still eat the assault fine, but come out 70k ahead vs if you'd killed them and fragged the ship you might lose some loot in the fight, only make off with 50k and because of the fines for your excessive violence you actually lose money on it punishing you for being a low quality retarded thug instead of a careful calculating criminal.

>>1523828
I give it about 5 mins before that one guy calls you a spacedad, a Bob, says your fat and references Star Trek.
Good ideas though, too bad CIG cannot into game design. Pyro will be camped so hard.

>>1523830
nice samefagging

>>1523830
well I mean pyros not policed space anyway this idea doesnt apply there.
this is only for UEE space and crimes against UEE law. Theres no crime in pyro because theres no law. Just gang reps and codes of conduct.

the CS and jail system has basically no teeth and as a result theres no such thing as safe areas for non-pvpers to play a relaxed game in.
I don't want "green zones" or armistice, but I would like to see areas where griefing and piracy is harder, less profitable and generally discouraged and I think fining violators will do a much better job of that than jail or rep ever will.

the UEC account in your wristwatch is a UEE account. Obviously if they can put a death mark on you remotely based on comm logs and surveillance then fining you remotely and instantly should be no big deal.

>>1523836
>cs and jail have no teeth
I agree anon, but the map is to small and to dead. An agressive jail system is at least 5-8 years away, otherwise it will ruin the game. Right now i've ended up i jail only due to bugs, it's terrible, and map is to small to have a strong jail system, at least for now.

>>1523831
No u

>>1523841
which is why im not saying MOAR JAIL
im saying fines.
If you attack, kill, rob or otherwise bother people in comm range it costs money and they are paid a portion of that money for their trouble.

If you wanna be a crook, you have to do the crook thing and drop comm arrays to create criminal free for all areas and non-criminal players get the chance to notice the comm array is down and gtfo.

like I said I dont want carebear no-pvp zones I want piracy and in particular griefing to carry a meaningful cost and risk for the aggressors. Do it too wantonly and you lose money. Kill people just for giggles and wind up flat broke from fines, unless you commit to being a malfactor and actually do side quests like dropping comms to cover your tracks.

this gives pirates a balance of costs and risks to consider, heavily incentivizes pvp bounty hunting and gives ganked haulers and such a consolation prize/compensation for having been ganked. If the criminal is clever he can still make money and if he's clever enough he can even still be a wanton hellion, but it'll heavily punish the low effort disruptors who are just entertaining themselves by randomly attacking the first people they see.

>>1523853
also murderhoboing would still be entirely possible but they'd have to commit to the murderhobo life emphasis on hobo. No credits means using whatever you steal or scavenge, and only being able to refuel or rearm after a successful score gives you booty to sell.

>>1523853
anon i agree with everything you said but the game is so terrible that any type of punishment is simply ridiculous, maybe a few years after release but not before.

>>1523867
Well the game has punishment for non PvP players already when they get ganked immediately at the jump gate so I don't see why there couldn't be that to deal with for PvP players too

>>1523867
a lack of punishment for griefers and pirates is a de-facto static punishment for "peaceful" players.

every pad ram and thrill kill should punished.
the game has active pirates and active pkers, it can have active censure for those types.

maybe hold off on scaled property crimes but theres no bugs that cause you to unavoidably point your guns at people and shoot them.
also like I said tie it to that press charges prompt dont automate it so if its just an accident among friends then nothing happens

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>>1523873
>thrill kill should punished
>thrill killing is premeditated or random murder that is motivated by the sheer excitement of the act.
topkek, unirically kill yourself you fucking manchild, fucking cryaby

>>1523887
and your opinion is that premeditated or random murder purely as a form of entertainment should not be punished and that anyone who objects to randomly targeted violence purely for the enjoyment of a psychopath is somehow wrong?

You are a lunatic.
and your mouth foaming unhinged post illustrates it clearly.

While no punishment from griefing is problematic.
Massive punishment or outright stopping griefing - or in fact even crying about it right now is somewhat naive too.

PvP players, and players in general have nothing to do.
Lets say hypothetically we had bigger servers, more active players and in general healthier game. Then the zoomer in this thread would be hunted to the fucking ground by pvp corps and security on the industrial corps, their fun is killing people like him afterall. Thats how it should be - the punishment from death being jail that makes it impossible for you to instantly come back to grief is exactly the right type of punishment - - - as long as there is the force that counters griefers. the "police" on this game of police and criminal.

The true pvp players who dont care too much about griefing play AC to hone their skills in an autistic never ending murderball. They are waiting for Corporation on Corporation warfare - not some shitty griefing a solo player trying to do shitty hauling missions.

>>1523895
Comparing pad ramming to pvp is childish and makes anything you post about a combat spacesim irrelevant

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>>1523887
Doesn't that literally describe 90% of why people PK in these games though

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>>1523908
Also I say this as a person who has done it all, and who's corp is on first name basis on one corp entirely focused on griefing and one corp entirely focused on piracy.

>>1523909
so you havent read anything I wrote and are just projecting?
my whole point was a deliniation between pvp and mindless griefing.

pvp becomes a game of risk, reward and cost effectiveness.
balancing the risk of fines and bounty hunters vs the reward of robbing people without killing them and making maximum bank.
Ideally a pirate could get someone to give up cargo without even firing on them.

griefing simply becomes a money pit that leaves the griefer penniless and unable to play the game effectively until he stops since greifing without profit motive will delete his wallet and leave him unable to use anything but default kits.

>>1523908
>The true pvp players who dont care too much about griefing play AC to hone their skills in an autistic never ending murderball. They are waiting for Corporation on Corporation warfare - not some shitty griefing a solo player trying to do shitty hauling missions.
the idea of the split fin is that someone who has killed multiple players will have the cumulative fine-bounties taken out of his pocket if he's killed 5 people and fragged their ships he will have been fines ~150k PER PERSON he's killed totaling 750k credits and ~300k of that will now be a bounty on his head. Thats enough the every pvper on the shard will be hunting him.

Driving gameplay, driving competition between the hunters to get him first or co-operation to split up such a fat purse and causing him to consider a more subtle kind of criminality next time as a had dozen q jammers drop on him and blow him to hell.

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>>1523828
That's fucking gay and retarded
>WTF, CROBERTS?!?! Why can't I weaponize insurance fraud against other players in-game?!?!?
I would say that I have no clue how the fuck you retards get yourselves killed so much to invoke this amount of carebear faggotry, but I know that the truth is that you don't get killed enough to justify it; you're simply fucking retarded.
Fucking videogame virtue signalers. Also, learn what a fucking run-on sentence is and start avoiding them.

>>1523895
>and your mouth foaming unhinged post
Shit, nigger, did you finally find a mirror?

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>>1523969
literally this, thread is full of faggots who want a safespace inside a videogame

Most of you are retarded.
Being fined for property destruction inside comm range is a perfectly good idea, and does successfully incentivize actual piracy. It's not hugbox.
As a bounty hunter player, I've seen most of you "I'm so hard, stupid crybabies, muh safespace" retards turn into absolute bitchmode faggots the moment things get turned around and you're the one being bullied. I will continue to send you to Klescher in a sack. I will continue to interrupt your attempts to reset your CS by shooting you in the face. I will intentionally keep your disabled body alive so that I can mock you. When you attempt to combat log, I will simply wait. You'll be back. You always come back.

>>1524020
Both the griefers bragging, as well as "bounty hunters" bragging are pointless.

Like I said here:
>>1523908

Real PvP is waiting on enough players to be on servers to have corporation pvp around. Griefers and people who "hunt" them will be insignificant enough to not even count as laughing stock anymore.
Have fun griefing when you will be zerged for it, and have fun "anti-griefing" when entire corporations can grief. 100 people camping pyro gateway just griefing for fun, what are YOU going to do alone.
For now, Griefers are mostly just bored people trying to find their fun. And providing some fun for bounty hunters like you in return.
Power in numbers might not be something to brag about in 4chan to feel superior - but its going to be the reality if CIG ever manages to get decent amounts of players in a server. I'm not holding my breath - but its literally what the pvp community is waiting for.

>>1524055
>100 people camping pyro gateway just griefing for fun, what are YOU going to do alone.
Have already seen what this looks like, at somewhat smaller scale, with events like jumptown. First off, griefers aren't able to organize at large scale like that. They are literally too autistic and antisocial, with too short of an attention span and a deeply dysgenic ego. Oh you'll have piracy and criminal corps, but they'll be less interested in griefing and organized crime is expressed very differently. Piracy, extortion, the like. Corps are not going to be able to keep the gate to Pyro locked down - better organized groups will kill them and they'll get sent to Klescher. System security will be there too.

Im looking forward to larger group PvP but we're ready for it. We've already got the members and the ships and it's been obvious for years that it's numerical superiority in player numbers that wins the day. Griefing isn't sustainable at any scale. Killing griefers is.

>>1524055
trying to "find you fun" by accosting random people with not further motive than bothering them to entertain yourself is an expression of sociopathy.

running down the beach kicking over other kid's sand castles isn't "good fun" its anti-social dickhead behavior that is universally reviled.

drawing enjoyment from the act of harming someone else is one of the clearest marks of a psychopath. It is unironically more justifiable and understandable if you are robbing them or being paid to accost them for than you at least have discrete gain in play.

Stealing people shit is pvp and legit gameplay
Attacking people to entertain yourself because you are too much of a mindless subhuman to come up with something better to do isn't

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>>1524020
Watch out, everyone! We've got an internet badass here!
>directly deducing money from people's accounts is a good idea because I say so!!
>Nevermind that people get bullshit crimestats for no good reason all the time already due to the game being broken bullshit!
It's mentally retarded is what it is.

>>1524063
>>1524064
>griefers... they are...
>it's anti-social dickhead behavior that is...
A strawman. Because you're both (if it's even two different people, lmao) ultimately just kvetching over strawmen. There's fuckall griefing and PVP because the game is empty as fuck and the only times you meet other people are in/near armistice zones, or responding to the 2 medical beacons that people bother putting out per day. It's just bogeymen being used as a justification for carebear cuckoldry. Usually because some whiny cocksucker got killed once months or years ago and proceeds to be a seething bitch about it for eternity.

Anyone with a history of playing videogames knows exactly what sort of gay, sterile, limp-dicked game atmosphere ends up becoming prevalent if devs ever listen to dipshits like you. You subversive little worms talk about "griefing", but in the end you just want control over how other people play while pretending to be victimized. If your professional victimhood isn't sated by that, you'll inevitably start moving on to complaining about "toxicity" and other made-up faggotry.

>>1523828
Probably too open to griefing itself, people could jump in front of your shots, cut your ship off, etc. and then not only send you to jail but also drain your bank account.

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>>1524104
I like talking about SC but the community is so fucking childish. Well said.

>>1523836
>the UEC account in your wristwatch is a UEE account.
This may not be true, given that the same UEC work at Grim Hex, in Pyro, etc. I doubt it's that well thought-out at all but it seems like your UEC is stored locally or on some kind of private server, maybe it's some kinda crypto thing.

>>1524104
You will literally never be able to participate in organized group play of any kind because you are too unlikeable and mentally unwell.

I'm not a victim, but you will be. Soon.

Am I the only fucking one who has this issue with the QT drive noise playing really loudly in the hangar all the time

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>>1524104
As much as I don't like to agree, the players are living in a hyperbole like this anon is saying.
I am not interested in Griefing and take enjoyment in killing griefers for my fun.

Example from yesterday:
My friend and me got yeeted out of hangar, about 30mins after ship impounded warning. (and a server crash)
I could take a weapon out, so I took it and tested it on some NPC's that seemed immortal.
A player came out from hangars and I shot one single shot at their torso.
Then I used a medpen to heal for the damage I caused immediately after.
He started to cry in chat how I am exploiting etc. He is going to report me.
I explained I wanted to test if it does damage, and thus I healed him right after.
He continued to cry about it and saying he will report me for a long time, about an hour. No matter which way I explained that I did not cause the situation on purpose, but wanted to test its severity..

When people are like that, I actually WANT to grief that fucker. He left before I could but I was planning to drug him for an hour so he cant be revived or die.

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>>1524132
Everyone has it anon, and every fucking ship too. Its infuriating and no workaround.

>>1523908
>The true pvp players who dont care too much about griefing play AC to hone their skills in an autistic never ending murderball. They are waiting for Corporation on Corporation warfare - not some shitty griefing a solo player trying to do shitty hauling missions.
I would've been one of those people a few years ago, but I couldn't stand switching to AC with the death of PU PvP. I was never a big org warfare guy either, what made PvP amazing in SC back in the day was the random emergent 1v1 or small group encounters and the massive variety that came from all the different ships and locations in the game.

>>1524140
Aaaaarghhhh it ruins my comfy cargo runs

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>>1524147
I had this in 3.22 - aka "the best patch", and some of it in 3.23.

Now only pvp I saw was in phase 3:
Griefer org came to kill people doing the event
Pirate org came to kill people trying to destroy the idris cause they wanted to cap it
Random crybabies came to kill people trying to cap

And we fucked them all up. (we knew how not to drive to our own torpedoes and polaris is op)
So bad that the pirates wanted us to carry them so they can cap the idris. We did, why not.

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>>1524138
You first.

>>1523828
>griefing
There's that word again
>>1523895
>psychopath
You are still mentally ill I see
>>1524104
The community of star citizen is totally unhinged, there are far too many troons and care bears.
I sincerely hope that the devs don't listen to them but given the overall health of gaming development as a whole I get less and less hopeful, especially with cloud imperium games dei pledge.

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>>1524128
>>1524177
>I'm not a victim, but you will be. Soon.

>>1524064
>running down the beach kicking over other kid's sand castles isn't "good fun" its anti-social dickhead behavior that is universally reviled.
I've said this for years: you carebear retards are going to have mental breakdowns if your characters are sold into slavery by slavers.

If I have the opportunity to make one of you so mad that you write a dissertation on how the Geneva conventions apply to war crimes within Star Citizen, I will take it.

>>1523828
this is the most jewish post that has ever been made in /scg/

>>1524227
I think star citizen should be subscription based.

>>1524136
so what you're telling me is there's a way to get into armistice while armed via the hangar timeout teleport

>>1524236
I just encountered someone unironically arguing in favour of locking real features like ground vehicle elevators in the hangar behind subscriptions and microtransacions. I regret reading reddit comments

>>1524244
Sorry bro you can't call your Starlancer you forgot to pay your large ship hangar licensing fee, land rent, and hangar mortgage payment so you can't call it, please continue your 16 month subscription or fly to 12 different planets to fill out and submit the proper UEE Advocacy ship hold release forms.

>>1524254
you have to tractor beam the release forms out of your cargo bay in 4 scu boxes as part of 12 different submissions

>>1523322
>if anything the freelancer is the armed C130
Because I've spent many hours on a C130, and the first time I walked my character inside of a Cutlass Black, I was struck with how familiar it was.
The C2 cargo area feels a lot like a C17, aside from being wider and longer

>>1523828
Bobs always want to ruin the one part of the game that works and is remotely engaging
>I don't want to play MMO Wing Commander, I'm here for Space Euro Trucker!
>>1523830
It's surprising that 4chan is so full of Bobs and Spacedadz

>>1523828
Your solution to people fucking with you in game is to give those same people the means to run insurance fraud against you.

>>1524236
Honestly I'd rather that as a funding model post-1.0 instead of having them sell P2W shit. (And I'm not even talking about ships, I mean tier 5 blueprints and shit, which is probably what's gonna happen.)

>>1524239
Yeah there is. But I (think) it needs server restart. Might work with just impounding

4.0 when? Before Christmas?

>>1524244
>I regret reading reddit comments
I don't go there regularly but whenever I look at a post somebody has linked from there I end up in an hour-long rabbit hole, it's amazing how cancer that place is when it comes to SC, I think it's responsible for the vast majority of negative fan stereotypes.

>>1524349
This thread has plenty of evidence of why this community is full childish s@yjaks, even here with a very low number of posters you can see this. Anons here call it out instead of it being the majority.

>>1524353
There is like 2 posters who think Griefing should be punished more
few posters who think its fine and griefing will become irrelevant if the game ever works
few posters who think there is nothing wrong with griefing and having the nerve to complain about it is somehow bad

and the rest either dont care or just call other people out on what they are saying.

Doesn't sound like to me that "the thread is full of X or Y" pretty balanced.

>>1524359
I have to disagree anon, people are saying you are a sociopath if you kill people for pleasure i.e if you pvp in a pvp game.

>>1524376
8/10, low effort hut you got me to respond.
If you are going around killing people for literally no gain at all, especially those who aren't in a position to put up a good fight then that is the definition of antisocial behaviour.
If you're hunting people down to extract money (I.e. piracy or bounty hunting) then fair do's, same goes for those skulking around looking for a true fight with an equal player.

do we have 30 FPS servers yet? how about 15?

>>1524443
If you get on immediately after a patch drops you can catch 20fps servers for a few hours.

>>1524443
Get on a server with 10 people and you can hit 30.

>>1524345
Yeah, my bet is they'll shit it out half finished right before they all head off for vacation and let the players "enjoy" the pile of crap they leave for us.

>>1524443
Fresh/low pop 4.0 but it bogs down pretty quick. I think we might actually seen an improvement after a week or two of live 4.0 though, the problem right now is they've got 250 people per shard and four servers per shard, which in theory should result in less people per DGS and better performance than 3.x, but in reality everybody's doing the same shit at the same time in PTU so you end up with one or two DGS basically empty and the others even more overloaded than 3.24. Once the game is live people will start spreading out as they get further in missions chains etc. though and I think it might even out and be better than 3.24.

>>1524470
>mission chains
is this a thing in pyro? currently there's like one I can think of; the Arlington gang for Eckhart, and I guess bounty and hauling progression, but none of these actually change where missions take place

>>1524517
Pyro is very light on missions in general right now but at the moment everybody's clustering around the JP or a few other known locations, I think post-launch people will naturally spread out to do missions around various planets etc. and settle back into the existing stuff in Stanton as well, rather than 250 people all heading straight to whatever was mentioned in the patch notes.

>>1524517
>>1524560
people are gona rush the hangar meme for the free ship and rape pyro servers for as long as that shit is active

>>1524597
People will stop after their 11th fury.
I imagine the draw of the free f8 will be outweighed by the sheer inconvenience of doing the activity enough times to get it.

anyone know how much upgrading to a ryzen 9800x3d improves the frame rates?

>>1524621
x3d cpu and fastest ram are the biggest improvements for SC

>>1524359
More like there are one or two salty manchilds that are mad their griefing actually could have consequences and their power trip and fantasy opportunity is going to run dry. That or it is just dumb trolling and or attention whoring.
>imagine being such a social cripple you can only get humans react to you when you bother then or play an idiot

>>1523676
Brainfart: Since the latest crack down on sub $100 ccu chains by CIG, i think they sold the Intrepid for $65 so it could be ccu'd to the G12a which probably will go up after it leaves its concept/production limbo.

>>1524679
>Deranged schizofag is still seething over scenarios he's made up in his head

>>1524702
>Since the latest crack down on sub $100 ccu chains
QRD? It was pretty blatant how they made sure not to offer any warbond upgrade deals during IAE that wasn't hundreds of dollars, but is it now policy to just never do any in general?

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>all 3 LTI
>planned to use the rambler as my starter/multi-purpose/exploration solo ship
>actually liked the intrepid
Fuck I think I might get one.
>more usable interior (cabinets with doors so your "physicalized storage" doesn't go everywhere)
>~230% more stowage than the rambler
>~80% the quantum fuel of the rambler
>1 less rifle, 6 less sidearm, and 1 less large weapon racks than rambler, but 2, 3, and 1 of each is still pretty good
>both have a toilet, shower, kitchen, bed, and a seat (but rambler has 1 more seat)
>8 scu to ramblers 2, which if my only solo ship with a cargo hold only has 2 that kinda locks me out of even beginner scu hauling
>both have vtol
>storage bays have airlocks so people can't sneak on board when you're loading/unloading (they can double as prison cells if you remove their helmet and fly to space)

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>>1524953
Man I wish I was still that modestly scammed, I'm way off the deep end.

If you don't care about combat with it (and I assume you wouldn't since the Rambler is the alternative), I like the Intrepid for what it is too. It also actually has MORE QF in 4.0 as well, 1.2scu vs 1 for the Rambler. Also you get a working mirror, that's gotta be worth something right?

>>1524990
Oh yeah I guess I should say, the Mustang and Cutty Black are my alt's, it was cheaper to CCU the referral ship on that account than the package and it meant having LTI. The 400i on my main account is also slated to get CCU'd to a Guardian if possible.

>>1524990
the odyssey is so shit, idk why anyone would want it
>ONLY refines quantanium
>the refined quant is ONLY for odyssey fuel, it cant refuel other ships or even output SCU boxes for trading

>>1524995
It was a relatively cheap CCU from a Carrack I couldn't melt but didn't really want. I'm looking forward to it just as basically a non-combat Polaris that's way cheaper to run and easier to crew but obviously without the torps. With the changes we've had since concept I'm hoping it gets some crafting ability added, it'd fit the mobile base thing they outlined and after the Pioneer got its features expanded so much I'm decently optimistic.

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Yes I do in fact have friends and an org to crew these with and most of them have only smaller single seat craft.

>>1524995
Odyssey is for longer term self sustained cruising. Its no a commercial ship and "mining" with it would never pay its operating costs. Its only there so it never has to go home for gas.

its the "5 year mission" star trek ship. Who knows it that will have any validity but the draw of the thing is that its a self sustained flying base.

>>1525002
how is it gona self sustain if it cant refine other materials to craft shit (it cant craft anyways)? even if you have infinite fuel you have to go back for food or tools, odyssey NEEDS to be able to refine anything and craft shit to be an actual long term mission ship

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end of IAE postem edition

>>1525005
If the carrack has a crafting station the odyssey will too. the point of the fuel printer is that it makes stores your limit instead of fuel.
how much food water and components you have. Obviously you wont stay out literally forever, but with a cargo hold full of stores and limited capacity to resupply on the move you'll be able to fly around for real world weeks without stopping anywhere to buy stuff.

>>1525006
you have a bit of redundancy in the combat department you're like the guy with 47 rifles, 30 shotguns and 96 pistols who then realizes he can only carry 2 and a sidearm practically speaking.

I've got one of those Intrepid game packages with LTI.
If I upgrade it to something of greater value the LTI transfers over, right? That's how this works?

>>1525010
Yes.

>>1525011
Thanks anon.

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I'm a simple man. I look to the stars and wonder 'when are we going to learn about data running?'

>>1525015
I was really hoping for a Herald CCU for my reliant.
i love that goofy little rocket like you wouldn't believe. Fell in love with it during early days of jumptown since it was low profile and nobody thought of it as being full of loot but you could actually get a few million worth in there and it was so fast as to be uncatchable.

I may yet just cough up the $10 and get it before this end.
RIght now I have a reliant Tana as my runabout because I love its bubble canopy, but zooming around in a Herald full of drugs while blasting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9Y1sEmyymw is literally the most fun ive ever had in SC

Too lazy to make a picture:
Polaris, Orion, carrack, bmm, arrastra, m2, redeemer, warden, msr, inferno, sabre, and an endeavor master set.

>>1524597
>rush the hangar meme for the free ship
pls explain

as for me, I will be scrounging little known drops in stanton as soon as the patch drops to have rare long range weaps in pyro

>>1525005
It predates the whole crafting thing and quantanium doesn't even work the way it was supposed to when the Odyssey was announced, so things are gonna have to change. I think being kind of a mini-Pioneer would make a ton of sense for it, not the base building part but the ability to gather its own resources and craft them into stuff, and like I said before I think there's a decent chance it'll happen.

>>1525048
There's a thing in Pyro where you collect a bunch of keycards (7 or something) from various areas full of enemies around the system and then take them to an abandoned hangar, unlock it, and you get a free ship out of it. Seems like it'll actually be permanent on your account and the ships you might get are the Fury, Cutter Rambler, Cutlass Black, or F8 but we don't know what the chances of each are or if you'll be able to do the thing more than once and it's probably safe to assume the F8 will be super rare. (My bet is like 0.1% F8, 1% Cutty Black, and equal for the other two.)

>>1525104
it would almost have to be permanent for it to even be worth the effort, too easy to get hands on a throwaway ship, even an f8

>>1524828
Over the last two years the under $100 ship CCUs practically slowly became non existant despite how frequent and often they were seen before. CIG even sold warbond versions of the ROC and Gladius this IAE without offering the fitting discounted CCU to it, which is something that was never done before. People bitched a lot about the lack of sub $100 ship CCUs and the whole ROC/Gladius situation to the point it was apparently enough, we currently have the $100 Hawk and the $80 Spartan with discounted CCUs on the last day of the IAE, but keep in mind the Hawk used to be discounted by $10 but now it is just $5, so even that got worse.

So it isn't "official" policy, but everyone can see how they try to crack down on the whole CCU chain game and how they check how far they can go with it.

There was also the stealth price increase with the Sabre which went from $170 to $175 with no notice and broke a lot of CCU chains for people. They had done something similar with the Avenger Titan and Cutlass in the summer, but it caused such an uproar that they reverted it for a few weeks and promised to communicate such price changes in advance, which they now didn't fucking do with the Sabre, so everyone is kinda pissed. For context you usually would have been screamed down on Spectrum if you voiced concerns like this but this time most people took offense in it.

>>1525237
was meant for >>1524878

How is the Starlancer as a solo cargo ship? Thinking about upgrading from a Freelancer Max.

>>1525288
Not as good as a dedicated cargo ship but if you're looking for something on the larger side that can do everything, works fine. I would recommend CCU'ing into the Taurus first and deciding if you want something more grandiose than that since for solo play the Taurus is just a notably better ship but if you're more interested in the "Experience" of Star Citizen than the gameplay, the Starlancer Max is really comfy due to the larger size and far more modern interior, while still being a very strong generalist ship.

>>1525318
Cheers. I’ll have a go of the Taurus first

>>1525341
NTA but Taurus is currently the best solo ship, constellation might be a butt-ugly and extremely simple pipe of a ship. But therein lies its strength, Its very simple and effective. You dont have to run through 100 doors to get somewhere, you have good access to the ship, you have great cargo space, you have a very good tractor beam turret. Really the only bad thing besides the looks is the rear cargo is difficult to use to the point where I recommend just keeping empty containers with gear.

There is only 1 ship that is better for solo play right now, and thats Polaris. And naturally its very akward to use solo regardless of being the best.
For fun I recommend to fly some fighters every now and then, they are much more pleasurable to fly than anything larger.

>>1525354
Ok, one more bad thing in constellation, its uggly dumb cockpit has some structural supports on the way of the view thats a bit akward.

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>>1525237
>>1525239
I see. Fuckin' Croberts.
>the Hawk used to be discounted by $10 but now it is just $5
Did the $10 reductions only happen above $100? I looked up a video on CCU chaining a while back and they used the cutlass as an example, with its $10 discount at the time. I realize it's pretty unlikely, but my ideal scenario was ccu chaining up from my Titan to the Cutlass over time with a couple $10 discounts that I pay $5 for, but I'm not really familiar with how they're usually priced. It's honestly more of a principle thing at this point. $60 for a game is already more than plenty; another $20 is about the most they're likely to ever be able to wring from me.

They apparently gave me an LTI hoverquad for some citcon referral bonus. But I take it that if I melted my Citcon avenger pack and then CCU'd the hoverquad to the Cutlass, that I'd have no game package, right?

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CIG isn't getting another penny out of me until I get my liberator.

>>1525355
>>1525354
i would agree with this. It's just very practical,

>>1525006
I was planning to alter my whole fleet but support haven't answered my question about whether I can keep an old invictus pack in buyback so I wasn't willing to melt and ultimately bought nothing
Maybe next year

>>1525474
>Still owning a liberator when the Ironclad is better, cooler, cheaper and will be flyable first

>>1525534
Shit I never saw that question. Packs SHOULD stay in buyback, ones I've had did, they'll just obviously lose any CCUs that were on them but you probably know that.

>>1525534
>>1525541
Fuck, you said "support hasn't answered," somehow I took it as "nobody here answered." I need to stop replying to things when I've just woken up.

>>1525445
>Did the $10 reductions only happen above $100?
Can't really remember, but i got a Gladius CCU with a $10 discount, but i'm not entirely sure if it was just a 5$ discount and they raised the value of the ship by another 5 a year later.

>if I melted my Citcon avenger pack and then CCU'd the hoverquad to the Cutlass, that I'd have no game package, right?
Yes, you'd lose your game package. But it even gets worse: You can't melt referral bonus ships, so you would be stuck with the Cutlass and all the other upgrades you poured into the referral bonus ship to get it, and sooner or later it will become really tempting to upgrade it again. So dont do this to yourself!
If you need a source for that you can't melt referral ships:
https://support.robertsspaceindustries.com/hc/en-us/articles/115013193627-Reclaim-a-Pledge

On a sidenote the Avenger is a neat little ship and it is generally liked so another reason not to get rid of it. Bonus: iirc the Hoverquad fits into the Avenger Titan with a little effort.

They just announced they're doing a 6 DGS (3 per system) 500 person setup for 4.0 PTU today. Will be interesting to see how that works out, they claim it should be an improvement.

>>1525445
CCU discounts were down in general, the Vulture one was worse than the one I saved from last year too.

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>>1525474
It's always funny seeing these posts.
>I won't spend another dime until CIG does [thing]!
>they have a few hundred dollars in ships already
>tfw on year 6 of owning a kraken

>>1525536
Ironclad is very cool but it's too oriented towards ground vehicles. The external ship pads was always the appeal of the Liberator for me. I wanted something I could use as a small ship Stanton->Pyro ferry or flexible mobile base. I had planned on buying small utility ships in-game to kit it out as needed with different capabilities.

I do find it frustrating that the Ironclad Assault gets repair and rear capabilities, and it so much better armed, but I don't plan on taking the Liberator into combat anyway.

My read is that spaceship jpeg trading simulator is just coming to an end in general. They've been slowly closing all the loopholes and system quirks that allowed it. Ive noticed over that that my handful of remaining $0 but value added CCU have been vanishing , along with the change that CCUs in buyback no long save their discount and instead cost full current price. you can still buyback standalone ships at a the price you originally plaid regardless of current as long as they weren't warbond, but that ususally only get you a few bucks, ive still got a bunch of $50 lti avenger titans for example. And like people are saying the warbind CCU discounts just seem to be getting smaller. this year did have a few decent ones and I managed to create ~$150 in store credit for about $50 in actual money between two hulls/two ccu chains but that was basically the best I could do and it seems like no discount crossed the 10% threshold.

writing kinda on the wall imo, but desu ive already got virtually everything I'm interested in buying anyway. gotta leave some stuff as in game goals. which Im sorta doing ass backwards. I have lots of large multicrew industrials with LTI but basically no small ships.So me and the boys will be able to go out and do basically anything but when Im on my own I only have a couple options and will have to fill out my solo ship roster via gameplay. Sorta intentional trying to get a "best of both worlds" where I still have in game goals to seek but also have like a firewall of un-losable heavy equipment that I can use to dig myself out of any hole.

>>1525561
Yeah I get you. I bought the 300i during the original Kickstarter. I upgraded it to the 325a when the new RSI website went live, and have had it since. I bought the Corsair in concept, when it came out I had some of the best gameplay experiences so far with small group bounty hunting and Daymar Rally, then I bought the Liberator with a CCU chain for like $225.

I still stand by what I said. I might upgrade or swap out one of the ships once the liberator comes out but I'm not gonna have more than three pledge ships and that's that.

>>1525571
turn your discount liberator into a discount orion if you ever see an orion discount.
With an orion and like. 2 dudes you will be able to buy anything else in game that you want. That thing will print money.

I have an endeavor with no modules that I plan to use as an in game project ship
sine you cannot get lti on modules and its unclear which modules will be compatible with each other I simply dont have any and instead of a 250m long poorly armed science ship with no equipment because I think its a sleeper vessel and will actually be highly useful and profitable as so distant later date

roast me.

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>>1525571
>Yeah I get you.
I borrowed money to purchase a Kraken.
You have no concept of what this means. You cannot fathom the emotional turmoil associated with BORROWING MONEY to BUY A VIRTUAL GOOD.
I don't want to hear any fucking complaints from you people.

>>1525592
yeah thats a but fucked up m8, youre paying fucking interest on a loan for a imaginary spaceship you cant fly in a game that doesnt actually exist yet wtf are you doing m8.

I spend my beer money on this shit.

>>1525561
That's kinda why I made a pledge like that of my own, though, felt like I'd already given them way more than enough. I was realistic with mine, just said back in 2020 that I wouldn't give them any "serious" money until 4.0 was out (basically nothing over $10 or so) and I managed to hold true to that until this sale, where I still didn't go THAT crazy. (Spent like $100, which is a lot but a drop in the bucket compared to pre-2020 for me.)

>>1525571
I gave up on my Liberator this sale, turned it into a Perseus since that's actually on the horizon and the Polaris made me realize I need a smaller big combat ship. My fleet is stupid big though >>1524990 and I've got other stuff to do most of what the Lib can, and that warbond BMM CCU made the upgrade relatively cheap ($25 plus some store credit), I can see how it'd make a lot of sense for a smaller fleet since it's got a tiny crew size and is kinda versatile.

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>>1525545
>Can't melt referral bonus ships
I am aware of that, but I honestly don't see myself ever going past a Cutlass. The friends I'd play with have better ships than that already except for one (and 2-manning a Cutlass would be just perfect anyway). Well, if it loses the game package, it defeats the purpose anyways, so that's that.

>iirc the hoverquad fits into the Avenger Titan
The hoverquad fits, yeah. I like it the look and the sounds, but it has no guns, no passenger seat, and no cargo rack. Not even a gun rack along the side, or something. It's just way too big for what it is. I bought a pulse in-game and use that. Though I did recently drive the quad out of the back of the avenger while orbitting a moon to prove a point. Turned into a Hoverduo after that, but it still worked. Until I drove it into a rock.
It just seems to be a very powercrept vehicle from when they were even more blatant about gimping vehicle sizes to promote buying bigger ships.

>>1525550
>>1525567
If they're gonna jew harder, then I'm simply not giving them my money. The entire purpose of paying a bit extra for the Avenger pack was to get a ship that I'm fine with using even if I can't get the Cutlass.
Though the LTI hoverquad that I didn't expect is tempting me to ccu it into a P-72 (A friend has the cunny andromeda), or a Fury (If it wasn't a $25 jump)

Fuck it, we'll see how this batch of jewish tricks plays out for them. CIG is infamous for their kikery, but you can only milk a whale so much. If they want to get their hands on my shekels or those of other non-piggies, they'd better make a better offer for their fucking infinitely reproducible virtual good limited only by artificial scarcity.

>>1525581
I don't want an Orion. A capital size, multicrew mandatory, single purpose credit printer is deeply uninteresting to me. Anyway I have a friend who has one because he's retarded, I'll just crew his if he ever actually plays.
>>1525592
That's whack. The Kraken is cool, but again, essentially useless as a solo and is clearly an org capship. I'd rather buy something like that in game after playing with a small group for a long time.
>>1525605
Perseus is very cool but it's too specialized. I think the Corsair will continue to be my main unless something really exceptional comes out, but I have considered melting both the Corsair and 325a for a different setup eventually. We'll see. I want as few ships as possible, and I want them to be extremely versatile. I'll buy specialized stuff in game.

>>1525567
There are so many aspects you need to take into account when it comes to the whole CCU game: Essentially they are loans for CGI and eat into their future earning and i dont think CGI really understands this. On the other side a lot of people invested more because of the savings and it gave players an option to spread their pledges over a bigger time frame instead of dropping like 200 buckerinos in one go. Then there is the whole grey market problem, if the discounts are too well it invites people who do it professionally and while they give CGI money in the short run, they also reduce the fresh money CGI gets in the future again. Which bring me to the next point, the grey market has become somewhat of a competitor to CGI and could kill them in a one year cycle of death:
>CGI does whatever really dumb that makes everyone lose faith in the project
>sales go down for CGI
>grey market sellers panic and try to sell everything they still have before the game goes belly up
>abundant of cheap ships out of nowhere
>whales see CGI failing, start to panic and sell their fleets
>grey market prices go even further down and become so cheap it makes no sense to buy ships from CGI
>CGI loses most of their income stream
>whole thing starts to collapse through its own weight while Roberts makes plans for stuff that would need to double the budget
Maybe they want to put a lid on the whole thing so something like that can't happen as easily. Also there is the psychological aspect, all those 'i payed 200$ for my 900$' Polaris threads and comments will have an effect on people.

>>1525621
>Though the LTI hoverquad that I didn't expect is tempting me to ccu it into a P-72 (A friend has the cunny andromeda), or a Fury (If it wasn't a $25 jump)
IAE is over, but i would have gotten a $5 Ranger CCU waited for it to go out of concept so it goes to $10 and then get a C8X with another $5, if you think about going to a Cutlass with the Avenger. But it's redundant if you keep the Avenger.

>>1525625
>deeply uninteresting to me.
but a liberator is interesting? how so its literally just a barge. its not even a good cargo mover at that its only going to be useful as a lander or as a ferry.

if youre thinking of it as a carrier it isn't since it lacks support facilities. its also comically poorly armed for its size.
I legit do not comprehend why anyone would own one anymore. It's one perk was the ability to move a large number of ground vehicles and a couple small ships and that perk has been superceded by cheaper better protected ships.

The only thing it will remain useful for is moving your belongings in large loads, but its so poorly protected that doing that will be a massive risk of losing everything you own all at once.

>>1525643
>but a liberator is interesting?
Yes.
>how so its literally just a barge.
Correct.
I agree with your points about it being underarmed, superseded as a ground vehicle transport, and vulnerable. All fine by me. It being a barge/mobile warehouse is exactly why I want it. It's like a big RV with modularity that doesn't require CIG to actually implement modules. I'm going to use it as a remote base for 1-4 people. Need a respawn point? Park the smallest medical ship. Mining? Smallest mining ship. Etc etc. I can land it on a planet and use it as a home base for various planetaide things, or park it somewhere in space like my own personal little space station. If it'll be possible to fit something like a Vulcan on it, even better. I know this approach will be way worse at doing anything than a more specialized ship and I'm OK with that. It's about being able to give myself access to the most possible types of gameplay, not about doing any of them especially well. It doesn't need to be the best, I just like it. The external pads for me put it above the ironclad.

>>1525541
They should but the specific wording is ambigious and I don't want to get screwed

>>1525659
>Park the smallest medical ship
There's no fucking way they don't roll that back as another jewish trick once the Apollo comes out of concept.

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>>1525621
>I am aware of that, but I honestly don't see myself ever going past a Cutlass. The friends I'd play with have better ships than that already except for one (and 2-manning a Cutlass would be just perfect anyway).
Honestly a Cutty as an only ship is peak SC anyway. It's good enough to get you rolling quickly without ruining the later game. I've got a pretty big fleet with lots of fancy ships and I enjoy being "that friend with all the ships" but I've also got an alt account that I just upgraded to a Cutty yesterday and playing on that is a lot of fun. It was also a referral bonus to begin with (the MPUV from a few years ago) so that account also has a Mustang Alpha that I'll never use, I'm tempted to turn it into some kind of ground vehicle as well.

I just wish they'd give the Cutty a bit more work, it's noticeably dated inside and has godawful lights that make it hard to see outside in the dark. (At least on an ultrawide, they might not be visible on 16:9.)

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>>1525474
>has a liberator
>doesn't have any ships to transport with the liberator
what does he mean by this

>>1525703
>buying ships in game doesn't exist
325a should fit.
I can transport other people's ships.
I can park a bunch of Ballista on the deck.

>>1525705
>buying ships in game
you can buy the liberator in game too

>>1525675
I was retarded anyway, there's no alway the Apollo will fit, it's a medium size ship. Only smalls will fit.

There's no way the Apollo is getting it's Tier 1 bed rug pulled, it's the whole point of the ship.

>>1525688
I don't think I see the lights directly on 16:9, but having the cockpit lit up like a christmas tree bothers me as well. It's like having all the lights inside a car on at night. Also a bit of paranoia that anybody looking can tell whether I'm in the cockpit seat or not, but it's not like the game is populated enough to have a high chance of meeting people out in the field unless you go out of your way to look.

I actually bought a mustang alpha in-game because for whatever wacky reason, it has a 40 second unexpedited claim time. All the other Mustang variants are normal; it's just the Alpha specifically. It's ideal for when you just want to pull a quick ship to get to somewhere else before abandoning it, like meeting up with friends or just going between station and planet. If I could $0 CCU the hoverquad to the Alpha, I definitely would.

>>1525629
That's only an issue due to the gray market itself, however. Them getting more jewish with CCUs also screws over people that want to do a bit of upgrading but don't want to pay through the nose for it. I, for one, played a free-fly but refused to buy SC until they changed a couple issues I had with their handrubbing schemes. If they never give me a way to CCU up at a reasonable price, then I simply won't. There's likely hundreds or thousands of people thinking the same thing and if they never budge, that's money they'll never get.

>>1525709
I was referring to the spawning on T2/T3 beds. They readded that shit right as they released the Nursa then spouted some absolute bullshit about how they totally didn't do it to get more sales. Once the sales on Nursas and C8Rs dry up, they'll start hyping up the Apollo and revert the spawn system.

>>1525709
theres no way the corsair would get its overwhelming foward firepower rug pulled, its the whole point of the ship.

watch it happen, they wont allow such a small ship to be a full function hospital it'll get dropped to T2 and the whole point of the ship will be large scale medevac and transport.

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>>1525721
Maybe the lighting thing is an issue across the board in 3.24, I picked up a Firebird during the sale and its cockpit also seems way too bright compared to videos from when it came out.

The fast claim on the Mustang is definitely nice. The Cutty's is surprisingly long and expensive for what it is, and fighting bugs last night (Babbage hangars not opening, and then the ship not being stored properly when I switched servers to try and get around it) was doing some pretty serious damage to my alt's very empty bank account with the expedite fees. (like 7k to cut it down to 3 mins, which was pretty brutal with an account that I hadn't used since UEC was wiped.)

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>>1525708
Yeah but I already have one.
Barges are cool nerd.
Kvetch all you want, you will not turn me from my shipfu.
Just watch it get larger in production with the new hangar/pad size standardization. If it ends up sucking I'll melt.
>>1525721
>I was referring to the spawning on T2/T3 beds
Oh yeah I'm sure that'll get pulled and only T1 beds will work as spawn.
>>1525726
>theres no way the corsair would get its ovjerwhelming foward firepower rug pulled, its the whole point of the ship.
This was never true, and it still has better pilot firepower than almost anything else which is good for PvE. Original firepower twas straight goofy with fixed ballistics. The way they nerfed it though is stupid, and I'm sure it will be changed. I'd much rather they drop those hardpoints a size than give fixed guns to copilot control. That's stupid and must be a placeholder.

>>1525738
Ideally they make the copilot dropseat a full chin turret that drops down from the nose when manned with a 360 field of fire, like its locked forward with a limited fire arc when retracted but the guns can still be fired or it can be deployed down below the ships hull and fire 360 to cover the belly.
and add another seat to the bridge to operate the remote ass turret

bam Corsiar made more multicrew aligned and actually improved instead of being brutally nerfed.

CIG fucking hire me.

>>1525744
no, it's retarded.
They pitched the corsair as having all those pilot guns. Taking some away for forced multicrew is unironically a scam, just like most things this dogshit company does

>>1525744
Copilot seat having a different field of view and ability to control the rear remote turret was fine by me. They could have dropped the chin guns a size to make it a less extreme DPS outlier and I'd have been fine with that. Your suggestion is decent too. The balance is so subject to change at this point I'm not too wrapped up in it desu.

>>1525749
>>1525745
my suggestion fixes the corsairs major flaw, its belly blind spot and also increases the utility of its side and ass turret, by allowing them to focus fire with the new chin guns.

its makes the corsair better overall while also encouraging you to flying it with 3-4 people and puts it more into the category of pirate sloop that I think its supposed to occupy.

>>1525753
Having blind spots and weak points is fine by me. I had some really excellent PvP fights in my Corsair around the time it launched. 3 people was the optimal number of crew, 4 was full capability. You learn to adapt your piloting style to keep things enemies out of the blind spots and in your fields of fire.

Best fight was me and two turret gunners in the Corsair, vs a solo pilot Corsair and a Sabre. Turret gunners kept the Sabre from getting too much DPS on me while I focused the enemy Corsair. Best fight I've ever had in SC. We were winning too, until system security showed up and ruined everything.

>no npc crews
>now ordinance is getting expensive
Solo capital larpers are getting assraped 6 different ways right now and the salt is delicious.

>>1525794
meanwhile smallcrew realistic cap ship player are eating good because were going to be immune to smaller ships and abasolutely rape solo players in both small craft and solo caps.

Polaris with ~6 people
Perseus with 4

Solo light fighter "we should be able to 1v1 everthing in a gladius" fags are also getting shit on. As more system come on like theyre going to get marginalized and take their rightful place as expendable weapons systems for co-op capship gods.

>>1525590
If your ship will be in the game, it will be amazing - since it means SC survived another 10 years

>>1525794
does it really matter? The game is still unplayable dogshit. No one is "winning" at the moment

>>1525799
Perseus with 4 people is going to ultrarape anything medium size up to like, Idris. An Idris might give it real trouble. Polaris is gonna get absolutely merked with the sustained firepower.

Perseus is going to struggle to land damage on smaller ships if they're piloted by decent players, but those same smaller ships aren't going to be able to put up enough DPS to be a big threat unless they're in big numbers. Maybe a wing of heavy fighters + eclipses could pose a serious threat to a Perseus.

I haven't played in awhile. Last time I played was a couple of patches after New Babbage was released. I was trying to find the overclock option on the mfds. Overclocking weapons increased fire rate etc. I did this with attrition 5s I think on a prowler and a distortion turret. Are you not able to overclock weapons anymore? I thought was a cool little feature

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>>1525592
Thats all kinds of whack.

I fought real hard with myself to not buy Reclaimer. Which is by far my favorite ship in the game. - It's just that salvaging is very boring and Reclaimer is 460€ for an ridiculously broken and buggy ship. They put it for show in IAE with its shitty front elevator completely unusable...

>>1524990
>It also actually has MORE QF in 4.0 as well, 1.2scu vs 1 for the Rambler
This is one of the reasons I hate choosing ships based on stats instead of design and intent.

If (You) had to decide between two fighters, one you liked that's okay and one you hate but "it's the bis cus numbers" and you bought the one for numbers, only for them to randomly hit it with a low-tier effort balance patch and now it's worse. At least reworking a ships interior and exterior requires more time and energy than changing a variable.

>>1525884
this why I only buy ships I think are cool.
I still love my corsair post nerf. I didnt buy it cus it was OP I bought it because it is a pirate sloop and I like drake aesthetics.

I relly do hope they give it a nose turretthat drops down and covers the belly tho.
if theyre gonna nerfs its forward firepower they should at least give it something else in return.
Its supposed to be an aggressive ship and the constellations evil twin. giving it more overall firepower and more complete firearcs at the cost of not being as a good a solo ship accomplishes that.

>you now remember that the Perseus has torpedo tubes.

>>1525895
Gaslighting

>>1525897
it does, it has 2 S5 tubes with 10 torps each.
because that little gunboat is hilariously well armed. 2X2 S7 ballistic cannon turrets, 2X2S4 twin gatling guns specifically as PDCs so they will likely be automated. 20xS5 torps or the sort use by gladius an harbinger to further escalate the bullying of medium, large and supcaps.

the only things its not gonna just murder are small faster fighters and actual capships, but even smaller caps like the polaris probably need to be worried. the Perseus likely has better PDCs cus higher fire rate and ballistic projectiles. The polaris might struggle to put torps on the persues but the persues' cannot turrets are going the shred something lightly armed like a polaris in turn.

like, keep speed up, guns target the reactor room and just keep shooting till the ship turns off from kinetics penning the shields an non-existent armor

>>1525905
pdcs are duel S3 turrets, my bad

>untold thousands of people were lined up to buy the Mirai guardian
>cig clearly meant to sell it at IAE
>Misc day trailer clearly focuses on it.
the decided to jew out and not sell it at iae because they dont want it to compete with the paladin. so they hold it back and wait to sell it later in dec or january
in their minds people wont buy both(absurd, they are totally different ships and are in different markets anyway)

>IAE a wet fart
>paladin fizzles amid nerf controversy and general underwhelming blandness
>biggest time for sales of the year passes, in a month there wont be half as many people paying attention to buy the guardian, people tune in for IAE who will be gone and waiting 6 months and ignore 4.0

they have quite clearly out jewed themselves this year and wrapped back around into such extreme kikeish schemeing that they end up not making money by over thinking it.

They would have sold tens of thousands of guardians last week.
with 4.0 drop they might sell a couple thousand.

I dont want to see SC fail but it pleases me to see their convoluted heeb scheming fail and result in them making less money.

>>1525905
The perseus will get absolutely bent over the table by a fighter+torpedo ships combo.
All you have to do is hit one of the PDCs to create an enormous missile blind spot and it's in a bad spot. If both go down then it's goodnight Vienna.

>>1525928
>I don't want to see SC fail
I kinda do at this point.
It shouldn't be possible to be this incompetent and still succeed

>>1525738
>vulcan
oh yeah that "exists"

>>1525738
I thought the vulcan would be bigger.

>>1525738
Honestly the liberator seems perfect for a small group of players
>living space
>3 exterior landing pads
>interior space can fit land vehicles or short ships
>turrets mean it can contribute if attacked
>plenty of cargo room for supplies or park more things on the grid

Want to do combat but your fighters of choice have small qt fuel tanks? Carry em!
Want to do a little of everything at the same time? Carry 3 different kinds of ship!
Want to live out in the middle of nowhere? It's basically a base!

They just need a way to respawn
>ursa medivac
and to repair, refuel, and rearm the smaller ships.

>>1526168
I do this with the polaris instead

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>>1526175
>tfw you have the ability to make any spaceship you want but keep going back to triangles, hexagons, octogons and ovoids

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>>1526175

>>1526168
>repair
the 2 handed salvage tool can repair and it does replenish part hp
>rearm
just carry spare ballistic guns and/or missiles
>refuel
nothing portable for that yet, but seeing ships are getting ground reachable fuel port, maybe in the future(lol)

>>1523913
I bet this thing is just full of bad geometry that dumps people during quantum when they were just walking down random hallways

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my fleet please no bully

>>1526297
why?

>>1526302
exactly

>>1526297
What's your Operating Thetan level?

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>>1525738
fuck the eclipse don't be a pussy, 2 glads SBD that shit up

>>1526321
Just for context: Last year the IAE was in November, this year it also reached over into December.

>>1526321
Can you tell how much is people buying new ships and upgrading vs how much is new people buying game packages?

>>1525905
Cool!

>>1526280
Surprisingly decent model, maybe since its so old and in SQ42. Ugly ship with really bad layout though.

>>1526464
Fuck yeah. Dick Best best Dick

>>1526302
My job pays me well.
You aren't poor, are you?

>>1526713
I guess people expected something more along the lines of how you are a gray market trader or take care of buying ships for your org.

So with these missile proce changes am I allowed to throw the Firebird into the nerfed post sale pile? It's getting pretty big...

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>>1526321
The funding dashboard in CCUgame is way better for comparing stuff like IAE. You can't see it in this screenshot but the difference ended up being 1.4%. October was what really put this year behind, last year had the F8 sale and a bigger Citcon, but we're only down 4.1% compared to this date last year and if they get the Guardian on sale it'll probably even things up.

>>1526596
>Ugly ship with really bad layout though.
Signed.
I'd probably own an Idris P if it was just a boat hull with engine pods and a superstructure. I despise the weird angled hallway tubes and needlessly separate chambers hanging out on the sides.

>>1526713
having money or not, wasting it makes you look like an idiot, you wouldnt look like an idiot if you only had 1 of each

>>1526596
>>1527003
It's worth pointing out that the exterior model in SQ42 has been totally redone from the one that's currently in the PU. Hard to know what's changed on the inside though, and it's still got the same basic look on the outside.

>>1527092
But is it only redone for cinematics or is it there for actual gameplay parts.

>>1527094
there are no cinematics, everything in SQ is rendered live, so what you see in the cutscenes are the actual ingame assets. The Jav got redone the same way and we see it in gameplay as well.

>>1526739
do what you want but it was a dogshit meme ship from the start.

the "Nerfed post sale" pile generally applies to ships that are sold obviously OP and then nerfed either into line or into uselessness.

That sabre was not OP when sold it was shit when sold.

>>1526297
have you counted out your dollar amount in non existent ships?

>>1526297
>only one javelin
poorfag

>>1527119
the firebird can nuke large targets while effectively invisible

>>1526174
The polaris is more combat focused, the liberator is more like a van.

>bought a paint relax I used store credit so I can always melt it for 100% back
>can't find it ingame
where is it?

>>1527231
It will be at your home location (the home city you set to first spawn at).

>>1527232
I can't remember where that is, I thought it was new babbage but it's not there.

>>1527213
the Eclipse can do the same from much farther away

a bunch if S3 missiles is not really that impressive at all. If it carried bunch of S4sor 5s maybe but S3s are anti fighter missiles it takes a shitload of them to kill anything big and that effectively limits the number of targets you can engage before youre just empty.

The Ares Ion can carry 20 of the same missiles, only 4 less than the firebird and ALSO has an S7 chain gun with thousands of rounds of ammo. the ares can also opt to carry S5 torps or S4s missiles.

I'd honestly like the Firebird more if It carried a massive number of S2 or 1 missiles. Like if I carried 96 S1 missiles and could just wantonly spam them at people Id be interested in it.

as it is not it sit as the exact unhappy place of having not enough punch to alpha stike targets like a torpedo does but also not enough missiles to overwhelm flares.

you can volley 6 missiles fours times and its entirely possible that not one of them connects before the target is out of flares. and if they happens you have no other tricks to play. It's a mem ship and has never been good.

Being able to big stuff in an idea controlled scenario is not impressive.
Being able to reliably gib stuff is almost any scenario is hence why even post nerf the Ares inferno is popular.

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>>1527238
>Like if I carried 96 S1 missiles and could just wantonly spam them at people Id be interested in it.
>3 racks of 80 missiles intensifies
older games knew what was up.

>>1527235
Go to a medical bed and attempt to set your spawn location. It'll show you where you currently are attempting to set it, where it currently is already set, and where your original home location spawn is.

>>1525688
>It's good enough to get you rolling quickly without ruining the later game
lol what later game

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>doing box missions in my new intrepid
>box glitches out and embeds itself in my wall
>try flying around, even jumping to qt to fix it
>no dice
>see some random mantis at the orbital waypoint
>think he's afk
>missile lock him, get crimestat (didn't know you got it just for locking)
>suddenly he's moving, starts fighting
>1v1 him until a security force vanguard and scorpius show up to make it a 1v3
>only took like 30s
>also my gun was unbound for some reason so I had to re-add it to a firing group
>keep fighting
>kill him with minimal damage
>decide to keep going
>try the vanguard, can't deplete the shield even though I can outmaneuver it
>swap to NPC hurricane that showed up idk when
>keeping the shield down and peppering it
>focus too long and let them get my shields down
>escape to grim hex with this + mildly damaged engines and MAJOR TORQUE IMBALANCE
I like it, passable for self defense. Probably not if you're getting jumped by players but for NPCs it works, even with default loadout.
The damage highlights the concern of having only 1 weapon, if I got hit a little differently it would've been destroyed.

>>1527363
damn, the gun cover can fall off? thats cool

rip thread till sometime next summer when we all start yelling about how nothing has been delivered.

>>1527627
pyro will be out before christmas no matter how broken it is

Is the F8c any good?

Made the mistake of trying to load and unload a C1 with a pair of 32SCU containers. Got it done but fuck was it a task. Will be getting my boxes in 8s and 16s from here on.

>>1527363
You could have done that in the avenger for less of the cost of the intrepid and easily killed all those fighters with no damage and no need to jump out though.

>>1527895
You could have done that in the polaris and easily killed all those fighters with no weapons and no need to jump out though.

>>1527897
I like how you left out the costs less than an intrepid part roberts cockgobbler.

>>1527895
God, I can't wait for them to gut the avenger during its gold pass. It's fundamentally wrong for there to be an objectively best starter.

>>1527899
It was a joke, but I guess you are too poor to have time for humor.

>>1527908
>I can't wait until (fictional event that only exists in anons head)

I wish I could sell my SC account. This game was very fun and I enjoyed it a lot but never feels polished.

C1 is actually a pretty fun ship for low level bounties.

>>1528027
What ships you got?

>>1528027
Sell your ships on the grey market and leave the account. You can probably get 50 to 60% of your account value.

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>https://youtu.be/JR8CtbQXLw8
I can't believe we'll have waited 15 years just to end up getting Rust in space.
What a fucking joke.

Woah. Did the 4.0 get a new wipe or something? Its actually holding 10-15 server FPS whereas before it was 5-10 FPS. Improvement?

>>1528056
They upped it to 4 servers per system so there are way less people on each.

>>1528056
It looks like they finally stopped doing weird meme server distributions and just did the logical thing of ~1 server per planet and moon-system.
Why it took them this long to figure that out is beyond me, but they got there eventually.

>>1528065
Nice.

>>1528052
Suffering

ATLS with flack armour and a gun arm when?

>>1528065
It isn't quite one per planet (MT and Crusader have their own DGS but everything else is a few per) but yeah it's a huge step in the right direction. I do think they could probably still break it up a little better, like they've got Bloom and Pyro IV in the same DGS and those seem to be the most popular planets in Pyro so they could probably be separated and combined with others instead.

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>>1528103
God I wish I had bought the LTI version when this thing was around.

>>1528225
Never ever.

>>1528245
Bro stop
Don't crush my dreams

>>1528246
croberts can barely make ships work. What the fuck makes you even dream he'd be able to make mech suits work?

On the topic of making things work, how the fuck are they gonna say npc crews won't be a thing in 1.0?
NPC ships require NPC crews, even before players can hire them, or are they saying that NPC ships are actually faking it and any NPCs onboard are totally superfluous?

>>1528251
making mechs should be easy.
Rigging a mech should be the same as rigging armor, so there's no new tech that needs to be added.
You can even make them control the same as controlling your character when walking/EVAing

>>1528264
It's been 14 years of this shit and you're still so fucking dense. You're literally dumber than those rats in the mazes they keep shocking until they remember the route to the cheese.

>>1528264
They would 100% make it a fallout style "climb into the machine" type power armor, not a regular armor suit. And they would go more in depth, trying to put coolers and power plants and life support into it so it's bogged down and every time you take 1 step the whole server freezes because it's calculating so many collisions because your clothes/armor/accessories collide with the interior walls and still have active physics so sometimes it'll randomly explode but only if you're wearing these 12 armor sets that have extra pokey bits that clip into the power plant.

>>1528225
That was never actually sold, was it? IIRC it wasn't even solidly confirmed that it'd be in anything except SQ42.

>>1528251
>>1528274
They literally have a working, playable mech suit already in the game, where have you been the last year? All they need to do is stick armor on it and replace the tractor beam with a gun, which they've probably already done because the ATLS was almost certainly a side-effect of work on the Titan for SQ42.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUI1gKFiKy8

>>1528287
No you dumb ass. You saying
>It's easy...
It's never fucking easy with this company. Nothing is easy. Nothing works. Nothing ever gets better. The game is in the same shit state it's been in for almost a decade. You saying
>It's easy...
Neglects the 14 years of this company taking things that should be easy and fucking them up for years and never fixing them, leaving them in a partially implemented garbage state.
And you STILL don't realize it. After 14 years of getting your ass beaten like a lame dog you still wag your tail whenever he comes towards you with his belt. It's fucking sad.

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>>1528292
>14 years
>muh wallet closed
Ignorant hope and Stockholm syndrome. The problem is there's basically zero competition with star citizen, so if you want to have space battles with other players, this is it

>>1528299
I refuse to believe there's not one single other company that's gone "perhaps secondlife but in space isn't actually a bad idea seeing as this company has made almost a billion dollars with a barely working shitheap of a game that's looks like it's had 1/5 of its dev time."
You're telling me every dev studio ever has looked at mart shartizen and gone "yep, we can't beat that"?

>>1528299
If it's JUST battles Angels Fall First is pretty good. Even have NPCs swarming around.

>>1528308
Most companies aren't willing to stoop to such lows as to charge 1500 dollars for an in game space ship.

>>1528308
the entire western gaming industry is filled with incompetents and DEI hires and the entire eastern industry is not that interested in sci-fi games

>>1528308
>You're telling me every dev studio ever has looked at mart shartizen and gone "yep, we can't beat that"?
The entire industry looked at Overwatch back in 2016 and went "yep, we can do that" and couldn't.

>>1528320
The difference is that overwatch is a finished game with actual mechanics.
>>1528312
You could make the game star citizen said it would be with 1/3 of the budget and make it back by charging a standard AAA price for it. Half the reason the game is in the state it is is shitheap42 sucking up all the budget.

>>1528320
The closest anyone came was Elite: Dangerous and that was very much just the rough and quick approach. It looks cool and it sounds great but it’s even more shallow than SC.

>>1528308
well duh, those companies look at cig and say, "damn, even an all white male company is having trouble with all the tech hurdles, i dont think our DEI hires will be able to even do the first step for $700M"

>>1528285
I'm.. not sure.
I vaguely remember it being in the concierge shop at one point.

>>1528292
For the record I'm not the same anon you were arguing with previously, the post you replied to was my first in the discussion.

I'm pretty cynical after all these years myself and don't have a lot faith in CIG in general anymore, but you guys were talking like a mech/power armor was some impossible never-ever thing when we've already got one in the game. Yeah, nothing's ever easy or quick with CIG, but this isn't some huge new mechanic that needs to be made from scratch, it's more like adding a new ground vehicle or hover bike and we know they're perfectly capable of doing that.

>>1528342
The Titan suit was never sold. It's only recent mention was in a monthly report last March.

>>1528312
It really is insane, isn't it? $25 in other games is an enormous transaction and yet space whales will say "get the cutlass, it's only $110"
absolute insane what they have managed to normalize

>>1528309
I guess it's not quite "just battles".
There's an element of old school UO from '97 in Star Citizen. The physicalized inventory and focus on player interaction. It scratches an itch even though it's a fucking mess.

>>1528324
>Half the reason the game is in the state it is is shitheap42 sucking up all the budget.
Honestly the whole reason I have any amount of copium is thinking that once shit42 is launched we might actually get progress, but he'll probably turn it into an effectively live service product by forcing the devs to go back and update it every time someone changes the position of a napkin in a random diner.

>>1528225
this thing makes me want to have a dropship with a titan suit charging station.
Imagine how silly running bunkers/distros/caves would be with that thing.

stomp stomp stomp stomp BRRRRRRRRR

looting might be an issue but then again it might not cus Im sure that thing can just backpack an ACU box or w/e

>>1528312
>>1528389
most other companies get massive outside capital to start with and are beholden to a publisher or stockholder to return profits.

Selling ships funds Star Citizen.
The understanding is that you are paying more than what a digital spaceship is worth in order to pay the salaries and overhead costs of the people making the game.

If you're not ok with that then dont buy spaceships.
No game is "worth" the $3000 I have spent on spaceships, particularly not a game you can get in its entirety for ~$60, or less if you got in early, I have an extra old Digiscout Lti package that has everything included that was only $30.

If you want to play star citizen you spend ~$50
If you want to expressly help fund the development of star citizen by blowing money on jpegs and dreams you buy more. Its really not that complicated.

Some people spend $5000 on golf clubs.
Some people spend $10000 on huge TVs
Some people spend $3000 on star citizen because they want star citizen to exist.

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>>1528408
It's basically meant for boarding actions. Probably to get through those nasty hallways filled with redundant airlocks.
>I AM GOING TO KILL YOU
>in space?
>NO
>ON YOUR BRIDGE

>>1528389
I'm not saying that SC is well priced, but I am saying that compared to its competitors it has very reasonable pricing. Modern day F2P shooters and Gachas expect you to spend $150-$250 to unlock that monthly FOMO event character/cosmetic, and that's assuming you don't get unlucky with your gambling crates. Star Citizen is also unique in that money spent on ships is not a locked in purchase, you're free to cannibalize your prior purchases and reallocate that money to another purchase. Spending $500 doesn't get me that one specific ship, it gets me any combination of ships that total $500. Not to mention the buy-in on most AAA titles nowadays is about $110 because $70 base game and then the $40 season pass that adds in the rest of the content they cut from the main game to get it out the door and sell back to you later.

>>1526781
I don't think they are quite that stupid to really expect exponential growth year over year.

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>>1528404
Wait till you find out this is only episode one

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>>1528459
this is true facts actually.
Episode two: behind enemy lines is already a thing.
Like I already own it from WAAAAAY back early back status.

Afaik there are three episodes already written/planned from the start
Assume each one is going to be its own ~40-50 hour long campaign
The entire Vega Prologue and then the UEES Stanton/Mining Station/Coil Outlaw storyline is just the first one.
So like everything we've seen thus far is from the first 1/3 of the 2012 plan.

Frenly reminder that SQ42 is what Chris wants, Persistant Universe was always planned but was always a sideshow to his cinematic space opera game. PU blew up and has become what funds everything cus we players are generally more interested in PU I think. I certainly am, I look forward to SQ42, but what drew me in and got $3000 out of my pocket was the idea of the Sandbox Universe, which desu has already exceeded my initial expectations in everything except player count and stability.

But the guy who makes the decisions is doing this for his story game.

>>1528467
>Frenly reminder that SQ42 is what Chris wants, Persistant Universe was always planned but was always a sideshow to his cinematic space opera game.
The PU was the main product from the get-go but I imagine this was always planned to be a bait-and-switch with S42 leeching the majority of the PU funds so they could push out some half-arsed product and chris gets his directorial self-fellatio.

>>1528493
I liked the concept of SQ42 but the execution did feel hammy in several places and not feel as impactful as it should have been.
Gameplay wise my biggest gripe is with the ships flying like hogs and in very predictable patterns even spawning in your face (look at the turret shooting section), they need to ditch the low speeds asap and touch up on the AI flight patterns looks and feels disgusting even in the single player.

When the Javelin started moving it did feel a little better, the zero g section was pretty cool.

>>1528317
British acting is blunt as fuck, the VA sucks hire more Americans sick of hearing Welsh vomit.

>>1528493
>The PU was the main product from the get-go
Lol, lmao even
The pu is a feature creep stretch goal, the actual Kickstarter was for sq42.

>>1528493
>The PU was the main product from the get-go
cite your sources.
The original pitch was about Sq42
Everything about the orignal videos was SQ42 themed with "and then you'll be able to muster out at the end and play the sandbox multiplayer"

The naming of the games trips people up, since SQ42 was just called Star Citizen at first and the delineation between them as seperate products came much much later.
Anyone who has been here from the start knows what I am talking about.
SQ42 as we know it today was simply the Single player Campaign mode of "Star Citizen" and "Star Citizen" was the overall name for the whole idea, including campaign and PU. Theres no bait and switch going on theres CIG being bad at explaining things and reusing terminology while meaning different things.
The split happened in like 2015-16
The original $2 million goal was for a 30 mission campaign and a multiplayer "dogfighting module"
The first mention of the Persistent universe is 3 million.
Live Ive been saying ive been here and paying attention all along. SQ42 was the original pitch, SC:PU was a stretch goal. Its what people latched onto but "SQ42" as we know it now was always the main idea of "Star Citizen" the "Persistent Universe" being the post0game multiplayer. The inversion and confusion happened because people latched onto the PU and playing as Han Solo WAY more than they did Squadron and playing as Wedge Antilles

what are the odds the endeavor gets construction modules?

>>1528842
Sure, in the far future of post 1.0. I see the Endeavor becoming a sort of mobile space station, kinda like how the Pioneer is a mobile base. It wouldn't be as good as an actual space station, but say you have the ORGs not large enough to justify commiting to a full on station, and are abit too big for a Pioneer, so that's where I could see the Endeavor fitting in to fill that gap.

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>patch is called cargo empires
>cargo missions are completely broken unplayable trash that waste 45 mins of time to break at the end
I wish I could get a refund unironically. The buyers remorse grows daily and their "Rust in Space" SCL makes me want to get violent.

>>1528850
its only rust in space if you're in pyro outside of some gangs region.

basebuilding will be completely safe on say Hurston, There will be planatary immune shields, it just wont make you any money. You'll have to do other stuff to fund your land claim and use the base as a place for crafting storage and idle time, not resource gathering.

It'll be mostly safe on like Daymar or Gang "policed" space in pyro, maybe there wont be immune shield, but there will be AI security and if someone attacks your shit the system security forces will come clap them before they do too much damage. Youre costs will be lower and you might make money from resource extraction directly but you might have to occasionally repair shit from raiders and your shit can be destroyed by an attack with overwhelming force

Only out in zerp sec space/land will it be space rust, and its out there you'll be able to make bank from a mining base for example. That will be opt in only and those bases will either be defended by huge 24/7 org alliances or they will be temporary resource bases built to mix profit margin.

>>1528846
>Sure, in the far future of post 1.0.
obviously
but Im actually talking about groundside base construction. The endeavor as pitched as being able to be refit for everything from hospital to space observatory to ship tuner workshop to drug lab to deep space farm.

I'm wondering/speculating that construction drone bays and additional storage space is an obvious module to make now.

I know the cab can land planetside but iI don't think its ever been said one way or another if the entire thing can set down.
Aside from module configuration I dont see why it couldn't. Like obviously if the underslung hangar bay is there it cant, but many of the mods are topside and would not interfere with landing.

>>1528344
>For the record
Lmao you cringe fucking spastic.

>>1528344
>perfectly capable
Have you used a hover bike lately? The ones that blow you up if you fly out of a moving ship? Or have been fucked up because they removed raycasting hover tech in favor of whatever garbage hover shit we're using now? Man some of you roberts cock glazers are so massively delusional I wonder if you even play the fucking game.

>>1528415
Nigga you gargle that old brits nut sack in a way that'd make Lana Rhodes fucking ashamed.

>>1528851
words words words
The point is that the game has switched focus from an immersive space sim to dogshit generic buildy-crafty derivative nonsense as per SCL.

I don't care about safety, I care about not having to dedicate time to building retarded bases and finding shitty blueprints like Rust.

>>1528874
>I care about not having to dedicate time to building retarded bases and finding shitty blueprints like Rust.
and you wont.

at all, thats been explictly stated over and over and over. Buildy crafty is for people who want to do that, of which there are many. You can just be a combat pilot, do contracts for money and buy shit.
Or you can rob the buildy crafty people and take their high spec crafted shit for yourself. shits not gonna be "Soulbound"
Like nothing about the construction and crafting stuff is required gameplay loop. Its a path to be taken if you want to. If you dont want to then jut continue doing combat and trading for money.

>>1528861
>I don't think its ever been said one way or another if the entire thing can set down.
I can't be bothered to find it, but in the original Q&As I'm 99% sure they said the full endeavor is locked to space and only the cab can land.
Going off this, I'm pretty sure the endeavor won't have a base building module. A space station building module, sure, but no base building.

>>1529008
well, I'm hoping they reconsider some of those, given that stuff like and Idris can land.

I REALLY REALLY want them to give the orion engine mounted landing legs like the Reclaimer and have it land vertically. even if you could only do it on low G moons it would be awesome to have the thing set down as a 1000ft tall skyscraper

>>1529042
The idris is an exception because of the colossal vtol engines it has.
The endeavour is basically just a frame with rear mounted engines so the rear part wouldn't be able to hold itself up on anything but the lowest gravity micro-moons.

Killing a guard should be a tier 2 crime called friendly fire instead of homicide. Bunkers should not destroy your ship for said crime, Bunkers should not blow up a ship you "trespass" in. You should not be considered trespassing when the ship is clearly abandoned and the owning isn't even online.

Let alone guards love running in front of you while your firing, friendly markers love disappearing, and the game runs like laggy dogshit with enemies and friendlies teleporting around.

>>1528850
>>cargo missions are completely broken unplayable trash that waste 45 mins of time to break at the end

Depends which ones you do. I like taking the ones on Microtech or Hurston that go to the distribution centers. Those haven't bugged out for me and you can pair them with the mercenaries contracts for a nice work flow.

How is it even possible for a space flight game 12 years into development to not know what the flight model should be? This is literally the most fundamental and basic aspect of the fucking game.

>>1529099
They fired or let all the competent people with vision leave, and now the only thing left is a few grumpy old guys who can't do any better and hate their jobs, and interns.

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>>1529099
>>1529125
Nothing to do with firing competent people or hiring incompetent ones.
The issue is that the game is being made for one man called Chris Roberts and he decides exactly how he likes the flight model and how it's implemented. The game is not being made for you or anyone else who bought a small houses worth of ships, it's being made for him and all the dumb retarded decisions on how things work are literally him telling them to do it that way.

>>1529096
Arcorp rep grind hauling works too. I think that anon meant the event ones.

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>>1529099
Star Citizen's entire development trajectory can be summarized as one man's desire to create the most aesthetic, cinematic space sim in existence, clashing with the difficult reality of making a fun videogame.

SC's ship designs are emblematic of this problem. Chris selects kino concept art of space vehicles, which then need to be filled with a rat maze of corridors and gameplay loops to make them actually a part of the player experience.

The same goes for the flight model. Chris wants it to be like a hollywood movie where each moment is filled with tension and drama. But when you actually need to assign a number to the rate at which a vehicle accelerates and decelerates, instead of simply letting it remain as a romantic vision inside your head, you need to compromise. Which is insanely difficult to do if you're autistic as fuck.

>>1529304
>>1529099
the answer is early jet age combat speeds.
500-700 mph
faster for light ships on burner, slower for heavy ships.

Jet Gunfighter speeds, wandering into early missile fighter speeds

Mig-15s and F-86s to Mig-21s and F-4s

>>1529321
IMO they should just copy the Tachyon the fringe flight model and then adjust speeds according to whatever the fuck they want. No shame in copying what works.

>>1529354
>Tachyon the fringe
I've never played that, how does it compare to freespace the great war or rouge squadron 3d? I've played those.

>>1529357
Its pretty much SCM with thruster speed cap which can be overridden by boosting to go much faster (pretty much as it is now, but the only speed limit is the amount of boost IIRC), then you have a specific button that starts decoupled flight based on your previous inertia. You can strafe, fly backwards and maintain the speed you got from boosting that would otherwise bleed off. So very similar to the basic flight model of SC but much simpler. The switching of the "sliding" was also done in the moment to moment to do what I considered at the time "Babylon 5 Starfury" movements to overshoot targets and shoot them on your way out by going backwards.
I have to admit though there are probably more advanced and better flight models out there since it was very old game, I just never have played better.

>>1529378
Returning to this, I guess the only flight model that would really matter is one where its PvP - looking at the footage of Tachyon I can see that the NPC ships do something that nobody would do, for example fly away from the enemy - giving them time to chase them on their tail.
Sadly on PvP space flight side of things I haven't played much since I like big ships so I've played stuff like Fractured Space and Dreadnought more than ED, Star Conflict etc. But I must say I never really enjoyed the flight model of any of these any more than the flight model of something like X-Wing/Tiefighter back in the 90's - so not a lot of evolution there.

>>1529432
There was some fun to be had in Star Conflict, stuff like warp bubbles that you could drop and would flingshot everyone who drove in to them forward in space to whatever there was, including asteroids.

>>1529321
>>1529304
u got some pubes on your face from all the ass sucking you're doing faggot. It's crazy how I can tell exactly who you are every thread and you're always fellating the game and CR like a free fluffer on a porn set desperate to get a call back. It's embarrassing nigga. You need to speak to your family or something. You need to grow a backbone. Grow some spine. You're genuinely the most pathetic person I've ever seen on this website and I've seen some shit.

>>1529437
>shitpost about SC
>retard thinks I'm praising it
You need to lurk more before commenting.

I just wanted a sequel to Freelancer...

>>1529567
From the guy who almost killed it?

You now remember the Wing Commander movie.

>>1529622
>If the wing commander movie hadn't been so shit we would have been 5x further in PU development by now
Grim

SQ42 will change everything

Freespace, Freelancer, Independence War, all these series are forever lost to us, instead we got Space Truck Simulator 2014, and a new branch of the Church of Scientology.

>>1529536
Dude is unhinged, he shows up in a lot of these threads and basically just goes psycho on anybody who tries to have any actual discussion about the game, even if it's negative. What's funny is it's obviously one guy but he accuses everybody else of being one person despite obvious differences in opinions, the way they write, etc.

>>1529656
My favorite sperg is the zoomer who calls everyone a fat boomer.

>>1529656
>boomer schizo accusing others of being a schizo
Nuclear irony.

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When is 4.0 with the free ship event thing?

>>1529667
>>1529687
Beetlejuice beetlejuice beetlejuice

>>1529688
4.0 won't have a free-fly since we just had one.
Next one will be in april or may for invictus afaik.

Stop giving the retard attention.
Realize he is just trolling, he is only here to flame people and instigate fights over nothing to entertain himself.
Act accordingly, but otherwise ignore him completely.

>>1529695
I'm not even that guy but I think you're a fat boomer because you defend this game like your life depends on it and bullying you is justified.

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>still out there whaling

>>1529321
speed limits are retarded. The speed limit should be the game engine/networking allowable maximum.
All this talk about going "too fast" or about noobs can't slow down and are forced into jousts or crashes are unironically skill issues

>>1529691
I mean the thing that you do to earn a free ship for your account.

>>1528052
I'm surprised more people aren't up in arms about this huge change in direction. What's even the point of all those handcrafted landing zones now? At minimum you'll have to join some mega org to get access to their facilities so you can upgrade all your shit and will be buying everything from player owned storefronts.

And that's not even accounting for the new playerbase they'll attract and have to cater to *if* they manage to pull this off. Everybody who has ships or features they're looking forward to that have been declared as "post 1.0" should be sweating right now because who's to say if they'll care about unfulfilled 15+ year old Kickstarter promises by then..

>>1529748
Game engine limitations are actually not very hard to reach, every time you have a fast moving object (or two), you need enough time for the moving objects to overlap or predict contact for the physics to work. With extremely fast moving objects (for example bullets) - you will need to increase physics steps and the maximum is one per CPU cycle - though that is theoretical since physics has to happen in concert with the rest of the gameplay code, and will always have bottlenecking. The problem is naturally much worse the more moving objects you need to track and other ship happening in the physics step. With deterministic physics, which is somewhat of an oxymoron in game engines - you can use prediction; but even that has a cost too.

TLDR; game engine speed limitations are not very high. You should, and have to fake it if you want really fast things.
Eg. Lasers and most weapons in general would be instantaneous at SC combat ranges and could be hit checked instead of projectile based.