A thread for the creation and discussion of fan fiction and other fanworks - anything that involves a story and/or reading.>Thread question:Why is pokemon poaching a thing?Old:>>56749838
>>56797555>Why is pokemon poaching a thing?>Breaking the law is unironically a way to get high for some people>The world is full of retards trying to be evil and retarded >They're used for some exotic good but that's illegal
>>56797555>Why is pokemon poaching a thing?Because elites aren't fucking human.
>>56797595>>Why is pokemon poaching a thing?Gotta catch 'em all.
>Pandering to KANTOOOODo you do that in your own fan fiction?
>>56797611Where appropriate.I shamelessly stole someone's random idea for a guy who responds to creepypasta scenarios with judicious application of ghost and dark types for something I'm brewing up as a kind of paranormal bounty hunter/detective thing, and 99% of those fucking creepypastas take place in KANTOOOOOOO and occasionally Johto, IE "More Kantoooooo" so inherently for the sake of ripping off at least a few of them for case of the arc plots it's gonna end up Kanto heavy.
>>56797611>KANTOOOOO panderingOnly if the fic takes places in Kanto. I try to limit myself to the regional dex for whatever setting I’m writing in. In Kanto’s case, that’s only the original batch
>>56797611Not to an extreme, though it plays a role in the narrative a bit. One of the main characters gets a Squirtle as her second Pokemon. Then later one, another main party member is from Pewter, so a lot of her Pokemon are Kanto-native, including a Charmeleon, and the storyline spends some time there.In the plot itself, Mewtwo (plural) is also heavily involved, though it's one of multiple legendary Pokemon to be plot relevant and the only one from Kanto.But the main viewpoint MC is from Paldea, and his family descends from Kalos, with basically none of his planned Pokemon roster being Kanto-native beyond maybe one I have yet to make up my mind on.
>>56797611How do we define pandering here. For me it's degrading other regions to uplift Kanto.
>>56797611Does wanking Red qualify as Kanto pandering?
>>56798167Yeah, and MasterSex is really bad with that
>>56798094Shilling characters (like Red), or by bashing other regions (Johto especially)That being said, the two MCs in my fic both hate Paldea, so I guess I'm guilty of it, too.
>>56797555Because they’re dumb fucking monsters, NOT human, who gives a fuck, fuck off League propagandist. We already store them in tiny capsules that brainwash them, why does adding a net to the equation suddenly make someone Hitler? The only reason “poaching” is illegal is because the faggot government wants to keep a tight leash on who gets the good Pokémon. I say fuck that, if you got the cash you should be able to catch them all, no? It’s in our constitution somewhere, and if it isn’t it damn well should be. And the ADS these bleeding hearts put out, the PSAs, they’re really something else. They want to equate catching Pokémon to some great tragedy, netting baby pseudos to separating a human mother from her children, or some shit. What the HELL do they do if not exactly that in all the government-sponsored breeding farms? All the clans backed and supported by the League? It’s time we stop pretending like we didn’t win the evolutionary arms race against these creatures, that they’re equal to us, that we owe them a damn thing. I want a human future for my human children, and I should be able to earn a living catching these creatures placed on this world for us to use for OUR benefit. Is the league run by a bunch of Pokémon or something?
>>56798261Yeah, yeah, what this guy said! He sounds like he knows what's up! I'm gonna go beat up some children to further his cause!
>>56798261Bitch this is not the roleplaying thread.
>>56798445>fictional writing? >in MY fictional writing thread? >REEEEEE
>>56798445He's demonstrating a writing lore point through example, particularly that of one's mindset.
me, a trash person, looking for recommendations for well written angsty romance, if anyone has any suggestions
>Why is Pokemon poaching a thing?Simple. People want Pokemon who don't want them, and rather than do the minimal amount of work needed to befriend or prove yourself to a Pokemon, they'd rather hire a goon to force them.
>>56797555>why is Pokemon poaching a thing?Again, same reason why real life poaching is a thing: "traditional medicine" and gas station boner pills.Anyways, on an unrelated question. Which pokemons do you think could be used to produce psychoactive substances? My money's on grass/poison types. Maybe some psychics as well.
>>56798944>Arrogant Young Masters are a thing in Pokémon >they lust for the Gardevoirs Jade like beatyHahahahaha, I can't get that out of my head now. I wonder how many were crippled by now
>>56798445Now that you mention it, where IS the role-playing thread?
>>56798944The presence of poachers and thieves in Pokemon really enforces the fact that Pokemon are not mindless slaves like normies make them out to be.
>>56799737You mean Team Rocket generals? They died long ago, dude. I played Pokémon MMO with their original OP lmao.
>>56799737Honestly I think such a thing would be fun, if perhaps cringe, but I thought it was against the rules...?
I have never seen a fic utilize Volcanion or Zarude.
>>56799737I thought /trash/ had a long-running 'pretend we're 4chan users in the pokemon world' thread, don't know if its still up. Discord tranny drama + regulars being retarded kept me away from it though. Also too many furfags.
>>56799683>Which pokemons do you think could be used to produce psychoactive substances?This mf ferments some crazy shit
>>56801091This. Furfags and discorders will inevitably fill any wholesome rp thread like poor Indians cramming into the overfilled trains in Delhi
>>56801091Common thread suicide idea. If people use da cord why would they post in the thread?
>>56801091Just checked. Still there. Might check up on it later if I feel like risking my mental health.
>>56799683I figure any of these would be a safe bet
>>56802232>the crab half of the paras line used to be its own pokemon species>some sickos discover a fungus that consumes them to grow psychedelic mushrooms>they peddle it as a cure for small cocks and small tits>the original crab ends up going extinct from overhunting/farming>Paras, a line of the crab that miraculously evolved to co-exist with the fungal infection, is now all the remains
>>56802298To be honest they live in caves mostly so I don't think humans are the problem. Paras seems weak as fuck without the fungus giving them attacks/abilities to defend themselves. Naturally the uninfected line gets outcompeted into extinction or obscurity outside of captivity.
Why is there such an insistence on people describing Pokémon fights blow for blow? Is that not incredibly autistic to write and boring to read?Aren’t the human characters inherently more interesting because they’re capable of intelligent thought?Am I in the wrong fandom to be asking these questions?
>>56802844No. Blow for blow is boring. People who write like that don't know how to make a fight scene work in written form.No. See PMD.No.
>>56802844>Is that not incredibly autistic to write and boring to read?Clearly the people who write it are interested; clearly the people who read it are entertained. I am neither of those people and I suspect you aren't either, but they doesn't mean they aren't out there.
>>56802844>human trainers>capable of intelligent thoughtthey do not even grasp the law of nutrition.
>>56802844I think blow for blow can be fine, but it really depends on the story. How numerous, and frequent, are the fights? How long are they? How interesting/varied are they? How important is this fight to the story? A pivotal fight that the story has been building up to, where protag is in over his head but barely metes out a win through clever strategy, can get away with it much more easily than beating up random grunt/wildmon/tournament opponent #7
>>56802844>Am I in the wrong fandom to be asking these questions?The Pokémon while a big part of the world were more like a device to let (You) grow by fighting for something and setting a goal, unfortunately a sizeable part of the fandom gets mad when humans are the focus though its mostly furries.About the fighting scenes what I've seen is>"Dodge!" Trainer shouted>"Hades, use Inferno!!"
>>56802902>No. Blow for blow is boring. People who write like that don't know how to make a fight scene work in written form.Is textrel too overly descriptive of a fight scene then? I don't have professional experience with writing action scenes just the woman-aimed smut I published in college to try and keep my tuition paid.https://pastebin.com/xJiFVDy1
Wait a minute... you're trying to get me to read your fanfiction!
>>56803299I'll reveal my secrets.Fight scenes are never about how descriptive they are. It's nice to throw in flashy bits, but the real meat and potatoes is in how the fight progresses.Watching two pokemon fight until one collapses is boring. Watching a trainer figure out how to get the opposing pokemon to collapse is not boring. The content of fight scenes is not in the fighting, but in the problem solving.The best fight scenes are the ones where the main character approaches a fight a certain way and it doesn't work, forcing them to figure out a different means by which to win the fight. Bonus points if the trainer struggles to figure it out and makes the fight harder for themselves.I'll give an example. Let's say you have something like a kabutops against an aggron. Not great. Your kabutops is probably going to get beat into a pulp unless they can find some sort of weakness. Luckily, since you are a smart fellow, you know that if your kabutops can get underneath and between the armor plates of an aggron, they can deal a massive blow.Now, the fight is no longer about the blow-for-blow, but in how the kabutops can try and force his scythe-arms between the aggron's armor plates, because that is what leads to victory, not just brute force.But wait! Oh no! The aggron is guarding the gaps in his plates! He knows what you're trying to do! Now you have to figure out a creative way to work around their defensive stance and land a decisive blow!See how much more interesting that is instead of 'x did y. z did b'? In order to become a good writer, you have to leverage the strengths of the medium. Writing is one of the only forms in which you can wholly convey emotions and intent, and doing fights in the above way is leaning into these strengths of written media, rather than fighting against it.
>>56803591Thanks for the advice anon, I really appreciate it. I'll try and keep that goal-orientated type of writing in mind. In the context of the chapter the fight's primarily about introducing a new chief antagonist and establishing the stakes for upcoming chapters, so I'm hoping when taken in full it'll work for that purpose.
>>56799683Trying to go a little outside the more obvious Grass and Poisons:>Salazzle for back alley love potions>I'm sure Alakazam whiskers are used in some sort of backwater witch brew>Donphan for their tusks>Florges line for the petals>Aromatisse line >Probably something can be done with Milcery/Alcremie>The tea mon lines
Gamer bros we are so fucking back let's go Trainer Levels were planned
>>56804459Holy fucking based, they called our genre gay and retarded but I knew we were the true scholars all along
>>56804459What's this?
>>56804700part of the leaks.
>>56804459>>56804596>>56804720So something like>Trainer>Leader>Elite>Champion>MasterSounds cool
>>56804459So, a prototype of what would eventually be the stars in PLA?
>>56802178So THAT'S what the pokéverse threads are.
>>56804855Stars don't give you any skills though or strengthen your pokemon.My guess is it would've been like the Warlord skills in Pokemon Conquest. Each Warlord had a skill they could use, and some Warlords could "evolve" to upgrade their skills after they meet specific criteria.
>>56804459Is this for Master's?
>>56804924It's for Pokemon Rainbow which was another name for Sun and Moon.Chicken Chan was going to unlock powers even greater than the dexholders
>>56804943Still not liking SM. Sorry, Ohmori.
>>56804459Trainers levels refer to aura. Body Tempering, Aura Gathering, Foundation Establishment, etc
>>56805151Noe that's my jam, skills based on moves >leaf blade>Razor wind>Extreme speed>Thunderbolt Or whatever type he follows while Aura Guardians are the faggots that cheat by being able to use every type because they follow the will of the world, Arceus, Mew or whatever you want
Is there a difference between Hisuan and normal Zoroark illusionary abilities?
Read.
>>56806359Probably not. I guess Hisuian Zoroark's illusions might be more spectral, whereas normal Zoroark's illusions are more hallucinogenic. At least that's how I interpret it.
>>56807330I don't have sources right now but it feels like Zoroarks illusions are solid to a degree.
>>56807313>reading other people’s fanfiction It has to cater to my every taste and not be written like garbage in order for me to read it. I don’t read much fanfic
>>56808414Use AI. Have a robot write the perfect fix for you.
>>56808780AI's only passable at writing short shitposts. Civilization will collapse before it's able to write a several hundred thousand word fic that follows a half coherent plot
>>56809184>>56809112Politicsbros!?
>>56809203>text sized for antsI'll wait for a better translation before considering using it. Plus that anon used google lens to translate the whole thing
>>56808780AI can’t even follow characterization for Misty- probably one of the most well-known long-running cartoon characters to come out of the last 30 years- in a one on one setting. How can I expect it to accurately depict multiple original characters, settings, and plot points in a coherent fashion?AI is great, but it’s not there yet. I’ll give them time to develop it more before trying to interact with it in a meaningful way again
>>56809203I can barely read this shit even with zoom.>there is no hierarchical relationship between the gyms and the e4It's already shit.
>>56809668Why would there need to be a hierarchal relationship?Gym leaders are sovereigns of their territory. They swear fealty to their home region and the league, not to a champion. Much like a lord would swear fealty to his people and his emperor, not to the pope.
>>56809691I disagree. The leaders give each trainer a certified badge that the league uses to verify their prowess. Thus, the gyms must be under the league's jurisdiction. And since the e4 and champion are the strongest trainers in the region, the weaker gym leaders should be subordinate to them.
>>56809781>And since the e4 and champion are the strongest trainers in the region, the weaker gym leaders should be subordinate to themMaybe in times of war.
>>56809691I just feel kinda bad knowing Larry doesn't even get some kind of leg up or hierarchy over the other gym leaders, he's just a lackey at both jobs.
>>56809668It makes sense. On paper “bla bla bla everyone’s equal we’re all comrades in arms defending the region” but in reality everyone’s got their personal ambition and the better connected ones have the most sway. You think fucking Sidney has more clout and influence than someone like Wallace? Or Lorelei Giovanni? Some E4 members really are literally who’s compared to the gym leaders. They’re all kind of like military generals, and higher rank doesn’t necessarily always mean higher personal or political power—especially for the ones that have been playing the game for a while, and have established a center of influence (again, see Giovanni).Now that I think about it, you get fuck all as an E4 member. No city to lord over, no personal entourage of gym minions, nothing. You get a room you can decorate, and you get to kiss the Champion’s ass all day.
>the league isn't the governmentFucking finally, that does bring up a bigger mess if we're honest but I was tired of that shit
>>56809691The whole system says that people need the badges to be able to challenge the E4 and then Champion.How the fuck is this not hierarchical? It's straight-up saying that Gym Leaders are on a lower level. If they're unrelated then why would you need something from unrelated X to be able to do unrelated Y? >>56810315>You think fucking Sidney has more clout and influence than someone like Wallace? Or Lorelei Giovanni?That's all because of shit outside of the League system though.You can be the the world champion at chess and your boss at your dayjob might not know how to play but that doesn't magically mean now your boss is not your boss and you're superior to him.
>>56811108If anything that would place the Gym Leaders above the champion, no? After all, they need the GYM LEADER's permission to face the champion.
>>56811012Why would the League be the government? The League is responsible for the bloodsport tournaments, but not every person that has a Pokémon is a battler. In fact, competitive trainers are a minority. Gym leaders are the government, because they are appointed as feudal lords of their respective cities, but the League is just a (albeit massive) side event that uses the officially recognized proofs of proficiency (badges) issued by the government to select the strongest trainers for their tourneys. The Champ has authority on grounds of being the strongest officially recognized trainer around, but at the end of the day battling is just sport.
>>56811116That's like saying a goblin is superior to the demon lord because you need to fight the goblin first. Don't be silly, man.
>>56811012I'm not. I'm not creating an entire alternative set of government cronies with meaningless names and backstories nobody is going to care about.
>>56811119>Why would the people running everything related to the creatures that dominate the world be also the ones running the world?The connection or stretch is not particularly hard to make.
>>56811134You can skip the goblins and go straight to ganondorf though. They try to prevent you, but you can ignore them.However, you NEED the Gym Leaders to approve you before becoming a champion. And past that, you need the Elite 4's permission as well. Nobody can go straight to Championhood, even N went through this tradition.
>>56811158Today anon finds out proper procedure and bureaucracy and systems exists.
>>56811186Today anon finds out how councils work and that not everything is a strict superior/inferior heirarchy.The champion is no better or lower than a Gym Leader. Although, technically, they are lower since the position grants them no territory of their own.
>>56811151What do you mean "the people running everything related to Pokémon"? The League runs the tournament. MAYBE a co-participation in PokéCenter supervision, seeing as it's a public service open to everyone and all of those tax breaks and budgeting has to come from somewhere, but nothing says the regional League is responsible for contests. Or the Safari Zone. Or the fanclubs. We mainly see and interact with the stuff under the League umbrella because we *are* compatitive battlers, but little Suzie with her Jigglypuff or that annoying young'un Cade with his Zigzagoon and Tailow will need medical services for their mons too. Unless you want to imagine PCs are League-registered trainers only and some sort of Pokéhospital for randos, but that still wouldn't make it make sense for the League to control *everything* when most people aren't journeying to be the very best like no one ever was. The common Joe will catch his one mon, maybe register it with the local authorities and go about his office job life to make enough to feed himself and his Minchino and that's it.
>>56811226*Taillow*MinccinoGoddamnit, this is what I get for choosing some random-ass mon for my examples.
>>56811116Fucking kek E4 really is such a shit position. I don’t even think people willingly choose it, they just give it to the leftovers when all the gym spots are taken. It would explain baffling shit like a literal toddler being on Paldea’s roster.
>>56811261I was going to say it also explains the literal who that is Kahili, but Alola being a shit League because it's being establish as we go through the game and it being less bureaucratically sound due to being established in Hawaii by Kukui of all people already makes too much sense.
>>56811261>Well, you got all the Gym Leader's permission, buuut... you couldn't beat the champion.>So, uh. How about you just hang around. We'll let you rechallenge the champion every now and then, but we both know you won't win, so how about we put you in the priority list for new gym leaders in case something happens to their families and gyms that would make them lose their gyms.>What do I mean by something? Oh, haha. It would have to be crazy, like one of them being the leader behind a massive criminal organization that was plotting to take over the region, or something similarly bad.
>being a hobo is better than being a Champion>Leon was Rose's puppet because he wouldn't get anything despite being the strongest in GalarDamn
>>56811447That's probably why Galar doesn't have an elite 4. Since Galar is the most corrupt league there's nobody who wants such an unglamorous position, so they axed the concept entirely.
>Celesteela>The epidermis is very tough and can only be slightly injured by artillery fire.More confirmation that based human chads can hurt pokechuds with raw firepower. Even a steel-type ultra beast isn't completely safe from good old cannon fire
>>56811562I'm more of a Swordfag but that's based
>>56811306>Thank you for applying to one of our region's most sacred, challenging and hallowed positions—that of Gym Leader. It says here you started training...only two years ago? That can't be right, did you at least—hold on, you NEVER FUCKING MADE IT OUT OF VICTORY ROAD? >You know what, sure. We need a replacement for the Striaton brothers, so welcome to the team, fuck it. Triple salary my ass—triple salary, can you believe that? And their aces are the fucking elemental monkeys! >You are a failed musician operating out of a cramped basement, using Pokemon that constantly release toxic gas, is that right? >Well, sounds like the perfect excuse to replace that FILTHY FUCKING NIG— pardon me, Leader Lenora has expressed interest in stepping down from her position, and we believe you would make a great addition to our ranks! >You know kid, back in the old days of this country, we considered a certain type of "people" to be Pokemon...>What the HELL do you mean you're going back to Pokewood? Do you know how much we PAID to get you onboard in the first place? What about your contract, you can't just—>FINE. OKAY. YOU SEE THAT HOMELESS MAN SWIMMING DOWN THE RIVER? THAT'S YOUR NEW REPLACEMENT. FUCK YOU.
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>>56812092>failed musicianThere's no indication Roxie is even trying to be some kind of world-class superstar. She seems to be having a ton of fun just jamming with her bandmates in tiny little clubs. Not every musician who fails to go platinum has actually "failed"
>>56813375Poisonchuds like Roxie and Klara should stop trying to be superstars, it's embarrassing. Leave the stage to DarkGODS like Sidney and Piers lil bro
>>56811261>It would explain baffling shit like a literal toddler being on Paldea’s roster.While the explanation behind paradox Pokemon was kind of dumb, this shit completely broke my suspension of disbelief.
>>56814180Isn't Poppy just shorts like Hapu?
>>56814180>>56814221>they don't know about creepy ass fairy magic She's probably older than she looks and there's something going on behind the scenes. What's the key around her neck for, what does it unlock?
>>56814221No, she's an actual fucking preschooler.
>>56814293I'm headcannoning the fairy magic because otherwise Paldea is an actual fucking joke
>>56814083>Piers>doesn't even get any voice acting>failed musician Roxie gets spoken lyrics. On the DSEmbarrassing, desu.
>>56814221>>56814328She is canonically nine years old. NINE.
>>56814221>>56814258>How old do I look to you, mister/miss? [Poppy]1.Six years old?2.Nine years old?3.Twelve years old?>1.Heeey! I’m not that much of a baby! [Poppy]>2.Oh wow! You’re the first person to get it right! [Poppy]>3.Ohhh! Do I look that grown-up? [Poppy]>I’m nine years old—that’s old enough to go to <version check>Naranja/Uva Academy if I wanted to! [Poppy]>But my Pokémon are too strong... I didn’t want to go to school ’cause I was afraid I’d scare the other kids... [Poppy]>And then Geeta said I could join the Elite Four... [Poppy]>But then I saw the students here at Bloo-berry Academy and I realized something! [Poppy]>I’m not a weird kid! I’m just really good at Pokémon battles! [Poppy]>So next year I’m gonna be an Elite Four member AND a student! [Poppy]The dialog where she confirms it.
>>56814404She looks like she's a goddamn preschooler and even younger than the goddamn pokekids and schooltrainer NPCs. Paldea doesn't exist in my head, it's a fucking joke region without any regard for the universe it exists in.
>>56814180>>56814221>>56814258>>56814293>>56814382Classify it as one of the parts of the game that was unfinished. Maybe there would have been some lore justification. Or maybe they would have changed her design, or replaced her entirely, if only the games had been given time to finish being made.My headcanon, which is based on nothing except my own worldbuilding and slight edginess, is that some tragedy befell both the original Medali gym leader and one of the Elite Four members, like a skiing accident or a plane crash or something. The Elite Four member was Poppy's mother or father and used steel-type pokemon. The reason Larry pulls double duty as both Elite Four and Gym Leader is because the vacant gym leader spot hasn't been filled yet. Poppy got her parent's spot out of nepotism, using her parent's pokemon since they're willing to listen to her. While Poppy is inexperienced, her inherited pokemon are anything but. Also maybe the deceased gym leader and elite four member were married? There's precedent for Pokemon League officals being related (Clair and Lance; Koga and Janina; Roark and Byron; I may be forgetting some) but they don't have to have been for this to work.
>>56814404>>56814423>>56814482>>56814382This is a monster. You can't cut it as an E4 just by renting or inheriting someone else's strong Pokemon—otherwise, why not have literally anyone else fill the position? You don't think there'd be a public outrage if she was selected solely via nepotism? A fucking child in a bonnet, on a role so highly coveted? Surely, there'd be international mockery and criticism directed at Geeta, and the League she so carefully controls and mantains. I don't think so, I think she's the real deal. I think this little demon understands strategy, competitive battling, and Pokemon rearing at the top percentage of ability—at NINE YEARS OF AGE. Red and the other MCs hadn't so much as picked up a pokeball by then. Not only that, but she's not even the weakest of the bunch. Rika freely admits Poppy is stronger, despite having the fucking TYPE ADVANTAGE against her. Nine years old, btw. Hasn't even gone to school yet. Give her a couple years of life experience, education, and Geeta's grooming, and she kicks Steven Stone's ass. A few more after that, and she becomes the world's strongest. Pokemon aren't the only ones experiencing powercreep, it seems. Maybe it's training technology getting better, or humans somehow breeding progressively better trainers with each generation, but the age of Pokemon Masters appears to be dropping.
>>56814708Hrmph, just an ant. She clearly just got lucky.
>>56814724>last image seen by an arrogant young master after failing to see Mt Tai
>>56814708>Geeta's groomingBut she's shit, Paldea as a whole sucks so being strong there means literally nothing
Based Paldean hate in this thread. Arceus approves.
>>56811562>can only be slightly injured by artillery fire.Okay so>weapons are an actual thing in the setting and used >E4 may be stronger than gym leaders but have no real power>the champion is just the strongest fucker but that means shit because its not a real job>gym leaders have power over their cities and can tell the E4 and champions to fuck off
