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If your deck isn't here it is SHIT Edition

Previous: >>56842846

Friend ID Survey
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Friend ID Sheet
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Tournament results/decklists
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top 25 for todays tournament with 470 players
misty kids in shambles
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>>56844812
>that top 8
>blaine.dek fourth
Lol
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4 diamond cards are too rare. I have no seen Victreebel fucking anywhere
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For people responding to >>56844802

>>56844813
>>56844811
Sorry, I meant I finally dusted 1 Garde since she fucked only showed up in ONE reroll account out of like 45. Her rates are mega fucked and I refuse to believe after 180 cards worth of packs that she is this hard to get normally.
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>>56844823
>5/8 top 8 pikachu
>>56844812
>6/8 top 8 pikachu
T-totally not a t0 format
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>>56844812
WeezKING top 20!
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>>56844838
>.357% on the 4th card
>1.428% on the 5th card
>~2% per pack
>why did I only get one in 36 packs
Mathlet
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>>56844855
Fuck me I laughed and spat a little blood
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https://streamable.com/czu5b5 (embed)
Can some professional tell me what the best deck here is , the rare cards are 1x
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>>56844838
Did you look at the rates? She's in a 5% pool, and is only a 0.357% chance. Gardevoir is as rare as non-EX Mewtwo (and Ditto, funny enough). Meanwhile, in the zard packs, Sabrina is in a 90% pool at a 2.571% chance.

In this case, just stick with Mewtwo packs and build up dust. If you get Gardevoir, dust a Sabrina or two. I ended up dusting my second Gardevoir too, and I'm sure many others share the pain.
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>>56844812
Have you guys read the upcoming updates?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PTCGP/comments/1gd737a/translated_leaks_on_new_updates_spoilers/

>inb4 reddit
meh

TLDR tho:

>TOMORROW(nov 5)
"Drop" event, PVE mode where you vs the CPU with increasing difficulty, reward is the Promo Lapras

>NOV7
Meowth event part 2

>NOV 21
Black Friday, discounts on store, exclusive items during that time
Magikarp and Gyarados Event, new challenge event with themed rewards
Fire themed event, higher chance at fire cards, special challenges

>Nov28
New drop event

>Dec5
Bulbasaur & Magnemite (Part 1, like our event rn i gues)

>Dec12
Bulba part 2

Dec16
>MinisetA1a

>Jan29
>Mainset A2

NEW RARITY!!! HIGHER THAN GOLD CROWN
>RAINBOW

New wonder ticket type, new cosmetics for cards, new gift boxes like the daily gift boxes, next premium pass card is MewTwo

Two types of ranked modes
>Themed: A variant of Ranked mode where players compete in themed events and time-limited challenges.
>Division by Experience Level : There will be a separation by skill level, in order to avoid that very experienced players find themselves competing against beginners, also ensuring a more balanced gaming environment.

Events use a stamina system, 12 hour recharge per unit, 5 maximum units, energy only consumed when you win, new hourglass for refills
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>>56844812
What's the rules for the vpnx
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>>56844812
>>56844816
dog shit OP bro. who gives a fuck about this tourney slop?
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>>56844890
i do
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Hey, anon who missed 2 Articuno EX wonder picks yesterday because they were in the bottom right AND got a Starmie EX on the bottom right in a third wonder pick.

I got a Pikachu EX on my wonder pick today.
Guess where he was?

I'm just always doing bottom right now.
Let me be clear.
THE LAST 4 EX CARDS IN MY WONDER PICKS HAVE ALL BEEN IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT.
It's significant enough for me to think there might be some kind of mathematical bias for them to end up in that spot.
Like seriously, 4 times in a row.

Proof.
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>>56844838
I couldn’t find any Gardevoir until I bought her then I pulled 3 in like the next 10 packs I opened (and in German)

Pic rel, do you want to get pissshatten on?
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>>56844837
The game def selects certain less rare cards to be “unfindable” on your account, as a way to limit your ability to complete everything. I am missing only the regular mewtwo card, and I have 5 mewtwo EX’s and 2 full art mewtwo EX’s.

Victreebell was another I had to buy at the end, along with regular machamp.
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>>56844874
>starting tommorow even more people will be doing the 18 trainer bullshit
Cool...
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>>56844918
who cares? that deck is weak af
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>>56844866
Actually kinda surprising that Nintales Rapidash placed higher than Gardevoir Mewtwo.
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>>56844874
>tcg kills rainbows because everyone hates them
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>>56844929
Could be bracket luck
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>>56844874
that post is just a translated blogspot of someone running assumptions based off the datamined assets

the only thing that came from the game files is dates of things and visual assets, everything else is just a random person running assumptions off of it
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>>56844942
This seems to imply it actually has a good matchup against pikachu which makes sense. Blaine+ninetails OHKOs pikachu
>can't attached image
OK well check for yourself from the link in the OP
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>>56844874
>vs the CPU with increasing difficulty, reward is the Promo Lapras
I started with Pikachu packs this will be easy unless it starts with misty
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I just started playing. Should I reroll until I get one Ex Pokemon? Two ex Pokemon? Three?
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>>56844975
Reroll until you get several high rarity cards you want. For reference, pic related are fullarts and EXs that you always open in your first pack/wonder pick. So keep that in mind when planning your rerolls. You should aim to build at least one fully functional deck
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What's the most fun variant of Venusaur Ex to actually play, Exeggutor Ex? Lilligant? This post is just out of curiosity, I know it's not a top tier deck so save your breath
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>Want to build an omastar deck
>game gives me the entire pikachu deck complete with the gaudy golden zapdos
>No cards to make anything else functional besides that deck
>still haven't pulled a single omastar
fuck you game I don't want to be a sweaty tryhard. You can't make me!
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>>56844975
>>56844975
>I just started playing. Should I reroll until I get one Ex Pokemon? Two ex Pokemon? Three

Do pic rel first. then do all of the solo battles. You should have around 20 to 25 packs or so.

You should focus on one booster pack until you can make the deck you want and use your first wonder picks to fill in your deck with missing Ex mons.
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Are you guys burning pack hourglasses now or saving them for potentially the next batch of cards
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>>56844982
>arcanine is the worst EX card
>blastoise is the worst starter EX
grim
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>>56844986
Lilligant IMO. Egg is probably objectively better though
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>>56844987
I have this. I'm missing a 2nd omastar and a better staller for omastar.
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>>56845005
Thank you
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>>56844987
Are you me
They need to configure balance more
A jigglypuff
against EX t1 is horseshit
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>>56844986
fun or good?
fun probably Butterfree
good? pic
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>>56844986
I like my Weezing variant of the deck.
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>>56844987
>use all beginner rolls and hourglasses on Mewtwo pack
>get crown Mewtwo, every 1 star besides Porygon, almost everything I need for the Mewtwo deck, 3 total Mewtwo ex, and 5 of the goddamn full art Pidgeot
>1 ralts, 0 Giovanni
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>>56845024
why do japanese people think goofy 3D looks better than good 2D art?
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fuck... shiny packs when?
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Very true many such cases
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>>56845064
Because it does
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>>56845028
D O G A R S DOGARS. Koffing just got another top 32. Jobbed to the usual suspect. Another 5/8 pikachu decks in top 8
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Gengarbros... our boy was OU for seven generations straight. Why'd they make him a cuck here?
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>>56845085
Gengar needs a break sometimes man. Give him time he will come back
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>>56845085
His Ability is ripe for absolutely buttfucking a future meta. Just give him time
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This deck is really good outside of a somewhat bad pikachu match up. I feel favored vs every other deck I've played against, going to enter a tournament with it soon.
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Oh wow so you spent more money than me you’re SOOO tough and badass.
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Can someone please verify if the display quality difference is even noticeable? Some of the cards look higher def and shaper to me
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>he doesn't have money
Lol? How do you have the internet that you're using to post, are you mooching off of your mom
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What is the worst type at the moment and why is it Fighting?
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>finish my charizard deck
>go to play it
>ten games in a row without drawing my Charmeleon
Does it get better bros?
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>>56845116
>are you mooching off of your mom
Yeah
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>>56845064
Japan has always had awful taste
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>>56845099
>really good
>loses to pikachu, mewtwo, starmie, venusaur, charizard

if you cannot perform against the top decks then you cannot really consider a rogue deck good

like pic is good, blaine is good because they do well against the top decks
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>>56845122
Well, go ask her to fund your deck then
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>>56845119
Dar
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>>56845116
I wish. I could finish my dex, then.
I'm spending like $200/month on this internet since my apartment has an exclusivity contract with a single ISP at hiked rates.
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i dont care if its meta or not, im never gonna use a pikashit card or deck
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>>56845120
>he didn't take the basic pokémon pill
>didn't at least cope on Starmie
Oh no no no no
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>>56845119
Because steel only has 3 lines right now and none are good
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>>56845119
metal and dragon are in worst shape atm
and fighting is prob on par even dark and water
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>>56845135
>I'm spending like $200/month on this internet since my apartment has an exclusivity contract with a single ISP at hiked rates.
What the hell. Do you live in America, that sounds like the only place that this could be legal
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>>56845135
Do you have a space you could set up a Starlink antenna where it would get an unobstructed view of the sky?
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>>56845120
do you have your deck properly built?
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I feel bad for underrating Zebstrika at first. That 30 damage directed at any target for a single energy is awesome paired with pika because the rat’s big numbers aren’t really that big. Softening up bench mon / finishing them off is very helpful.
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>>56845127
i only lose consistently to pika in testing vs meta decks.
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>>56845120
Don't feel bad, all of the decks in the game can brick right now, there's no surefire consistent deck
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>>56845120
>second stage mons are always stuck at the bottom of the deck
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>>56845159
what your call "meta decks" are just poorly built archetypes you find in random matchmaking

if you play against properly built decks with good players you will get rolled with that deck
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>>56845135
Maybe moving out to a place with better internet might be cheaper in the long run.
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>>56845166
im testing with other players with meta decks in private lobbies. posting about it here because i thought people would be interested, ive been working on it for 5 days now.
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>>56845116
Where do you think you are
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>>56845135
I'm sorry for making fun of you, that's fucked. What's the ISP?
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Anyone here dropped red card completely?
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>>56845099
Post name so we can track results of you failing to get out of swiss
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>>56845175
... bro
pikachu rolls you

both charizard and mewtwo 1 shot you without you being able to 1 shot them and have the same curve

venusaur overheals anything you throw at him and shits on you

starmie rolls you just as hard as pikachu, even harder if they flip a heads on a single misty


sure, you flipping 2 heads changes things, but if you claim your deck is good for the 25% of times you flip 2 heads you are an idiot
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>>56845159
>I only lost to the most common deck in a tournament setting
Bro. You aren't getting out of pools. I hope you do but come on man
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What do you want out of ranked mode?
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>>56845142
>on par with water and dark
Where's Fighting variant of Starmie EX and Weezing?
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>>56845186
the only deck i do not run red card is pikachu but it is mostly due to deck space

but i run 1 red card in all other decks
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>>56845099
You really are a bit helpless against pika if it gets the full bench. Of course, you might be able to clear out members of the bench against some variants, but without hitmonlee, it looks like a rough time to me. On the plus side, you don’t really have to worry about pidgey’s weakness (outside of pika, himself).
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>>56845135
Lordy I pay 50$ for 600 MBs and live in the sticks
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>>56845142
dragon's fine with dragonite
metalfags have it hard but if next pack is johto then scizor/steelix/skarm/forretress will provide some relief
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>>56845175
You should stick to your circlejerk echo chamber. /ppg/ is not for people playing against handpicked decks.
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/pocket/ sounds way better than /ppg/. thread autists are so weird.
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>>56845213
>dragon's fine with dragonite
dragonite is shit anon... its just too slow
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My uncle works for Nintendo and he says if you collect 1000 of any given full art, they will send you a physical card.
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>>56845218
bro your weezing/frosmoth?
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I don’t get why showcases show up like this instead of just showing you the actual thing?
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>>56845216
pocket is already in the tittle and it's longer
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>want to build Blaine deck
>0 blaines and missing 1 vulpix and 2 rapidash so far
>meanwhile I have alt art Moltres and 1 Zard EX
Fuck
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>>56845216
I also like /pocket/ or /tcgp/
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>>56845246
>tcgp
i like this too
kino.

even the reddit is ptcgp, makes more sense than ppg
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>>56845229
all the pairings are shit
dragonite is just too slow to the meta

in todays tournament of 470 players the best dragonite placement was 87th

in ydays tournament of 240 players the best dragonite placement was 143th

in the one from the other day with 500+ players the best placement was 145th


dragonite is just too slow for the meta, having to attach 4 energy without acceleration, with random energy on top of that and your damage being completely random makes it so slow an inconsistent
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>>56845197
not him but wiggly Ex is pretty.good into mewtwo. if you win a single coin flip he's fucked. also you can get 3 energy before he gets 4. usually
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>>56845246
>>56845270
kill yourself fags
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>>56845277
yes, this deck >>56845127

is pretty good against the horde of pikachus and mewtwos
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Why do so many decks run one copy of Sabrina? I am right now because I can't get another yet, but if I had two I'd run two all day
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>>56845291
I don't really see a reason to run more than one.
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>>56845178
Xfinity/comcast whatever they call themselves these days.
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>>56845291
Because I'd rather have an extra X-Speed most of the time.
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>>56845291
no room, running 2 means you wont be running something else that is important
you dont really use more than 1 per game
having two in your hand sucks balls
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>>56845246
>>56845270
The general format for generals adds a "g" at the end so it would be /ptcgpg/ which is gay.
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>Ditto Chansey deck, predicted psychic
>Enemy had Psychic, hooray
>Mewtwo Ex on start, he goes first
>Only drew both Dittos, never saw Chansey
>Get 2 energy on Ditto, can use Mewtwo's 50
>Mewtwo hits me for 50, evolves his benched slowpoke and plays a Mr. Mime
>Sabrina'd his Mewtwo to whittle down a Mr. Mime, using his benched Slowbro's attack
>Mewtwo comes out again
>Gets hit for 150
The player didn't accept my friend request or send thanks.
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>>56845310
Nerd
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>>56844874
>"Drop" event, PVE mode where you vs the CPU with increasing difficulty, reward is the Promo Lapras
The Lapras event actually drops something called a "Promo A pack" which likely includes ALL the blue stamp promos. So we could be getting the really good mankey tomorrow.
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>>56845165
>Get second stage early on
>Both first stages are stuck at the bottom
pain
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>>56845270
>makes more sense than ppg
>pokemon pocket general
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>>56845299
Well why not? At the very least it's a greater chance to draw into it.
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>>56844812
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>>56845306
What do you mean no room? It's one of the most disruptive cards in the game right now. Why wouldn't you be able to use it twice in a game?
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>>56844812
Just used a deck that made me feel bad for the guy who had to face it.
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>>56844823
best water deck run 0 mistys
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>>56845355
this is pure copium there is no reason to not run misty
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>>56845346
>mewtwo most common deck by far
>pikachu is STILL 5/8 in top 8
>60% winrate
>majority of the late loss was against itself
>only other deck with those numbers is greninja which only had 6 entrances
Holy fuck the rat is insane.
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>>56845327
>along your Poke Balls
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>>56845346
which tournament is this and what tab is this?
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PI-KA-CHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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>>56845346
>>56845370
This is the rats matchup spread for everything lower than 55%. It has a VERY winning matchup against EVERYTHING except slight venusaur and evidently awful against wigglytuff weezing
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>>56845348
no room to run two, youd have to sacrifice something important to run 2
pic rel

and you rarely ever need 2, once you have more games under your belt you will realize you dont need two sabrinas
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Is there a good tankmon to stall?
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>>56845415
Venusaur is THE tank. But specifically stall is weezing
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>>56845355
why woulddnt you run misty on a water deck? that would be stupid
free energy is free energy

>>56845412
forgot pic
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>>56845407
I never understood why they hyped up pikachu's offensive power when raichu mogged the little fuck. Surge's evolved rat was a god damn monster.
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>>56845412
How many wins under my belt do you presume I have exactly? I can take your word for it on the matter or can trust the deck lists that routinely top tournaments that run two copies of Sabrina. Real proven data.
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>>56845186
Yeah. Almost immediately. Red Card is good only sometimes. I usually go with the fossil tech now, which feel better to play most of the time.
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>>56845421
By now that Pikachu has probably eclipsed Surge's Raichu in terms of pure power.
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>>56845244
Supporter costs only 70 per card, so maybe pull some Charizard first and see if you can get a vulpix and Blaine
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>>56845420
This makes me want to test Hypno in the Charizard deck. Running 2 pokedex and a red card seems disgusting.
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>>56844838
I feel you about Gardevoir, in my case I had 2 options: wait for 3 daily packs to have enough dust to buy a second copy or luck it out and pick it. I won my bet and my Mewtwo deck is completed. I do not need to really use my hourglasses anymore (do not have any left anyways) so these daily packs for the rest of the month will be just flex. I can save my tickets for the next month and will have 140 (current) + 120 dust left to buy anything else I feel like grabbing.
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>>56845438
>fossil tech
I have been meaning to ask. Is it new fossil rules were they count as knockouts or old rules were they do not count as prize cards
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>>56845452
the pokedex is 100% needed
to make the deck as consistent as possible

you use the combo of dex to see whats coming and if its not useful you pokedex to shuffle your deck

actually makes a difference
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>>56845452
>Running 2 pokedex and a red card seems disgusting.
In what way
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>>56845468
How are you shuffling your own deck? Moltres? Are you EVER skipping attaching energies anyways?
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So is Farfetch'd a good card or just copium slot until you get better pokemon?
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>>56845469
s-shut up!
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I got an Articuno ex in french, how do I make it appear in english in the binder
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>>56845473
you use pokeball to shuffle
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>>56845479
you dont
now go collect all the other pokemon in different languages
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why are all my wonderpick options so terrible?
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>>56845479
First you have to assess your life and ask yourself what led you down such a dark path that you would befriend a Frenchman
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>>56845479
qui qui
bricked
qui qui


>>56845490
add more whales lol!
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>>56845468
>100% needed
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>>56845479
When you put it in the binder during edit mode, tap the card and you'll see the flair button on the bottom right. Tap that, then tap Languages in the top right of that window. Select French, and it'll appear French after you save.
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>>56845481
Doesn't moltres shuffle anyways? I mean if your turbo out of position sure. I am definitely pumping this into my mewtwo deck though. Thanks for the idea
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>>56845421
>Surge's evolved rat
was obese and slow.
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>>56845506
>Doesn't moltres shuffle anyways?
no it doesnt, what are you smoking
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>>56845490
So wonder picks are chosen at random from both your friends list and from strangers.
Priority is given to packs opened by your friends.
Further priority is given to packs containing rare cards.

So in short, it's because the people on your friends list aren't pulling very good.
As other people said, you typically want to populate your friend list with whales to maximize the number of EX wonder picks you get offered.
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how did they release this game with no incentive to battle other players
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>>56845501
>>56845510
ok so where do i find these whales?
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Why would they put an ugly unloved shitmon like Bruxish in the game?
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>>56845518
DeNA
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>>56845519
Play random matches, and friend anyone with a Gardevoir playmat.
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>>56845509
I am very tired and am use to normal tcg energy rules. Rubbing a couple neurons together I realize just how much less shuffling the energy deck creates too
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>>56845519
check public galleries for people with the gardevoir cosmetics and try to befriend them
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>>56845518

Collecting was probably their main priority. They'll probably make events more focused on battling later on.
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>>56845420
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>>56845536
take out farfetch and khangaskan and add two misty and that deck is many times better already
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>>56845541
when you get 9-2 and the best water finish in a 500 person tournament then u can talk bud
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>>56845518
They know that most fans of the Pokemon care about collecting more than they care about actually playing the game.
They wanted to pull in the normalfag crowd who like the arts but aren't really into the battling element.

It's a smart choice.
That said, the datamined update notes show signs that they're working on a ranked ladder mode with rewards.

So it's about to get really fucking shit, I was really hoping this one would be different. I'm one of those normalfags, I like collecting cards and building decks but I'm not really a big fan of actually playing the game.

I hate that I'm gonna be forced to play the game once they release that update so I don't miss out on rewards.
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>>56845518
Technically you have incentive since each win gives exp to level up. Otherwise it would really be a ghost town
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I've been rerolling with everything I get before reaching Level 3, as recommended. My current account has double Mewtwo ex, Rainbow Weezing, and Rainbow Dragonite. No Trainers, no Gardevoir. I'm kind of getting tired of rerolling. Is this one worth settling for?
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Yeah, Hypno is not good in the Charizard deck. You need pokeball to hit Moltres EX or you just lose. Thought it would be more like the fossil tech.
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>>56845519
2 factors.
1. Level
2. Cosmetics
Anyone using store-only cosmetics is probably a whale (or at least a dolphin).
Anyone with a high level is either a whale or REALLY into grinding battles over and over again.
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>>56845231
the technology just isn't there
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>>56845476
-40 Damage early without needing an evo for said damage feels pretty good, at least.
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>>56845546
id never play a water deck in this pikachu/mewtwo meta to begin with

and i placed higher than that guy in that tournament ;)
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>>56845572
>and i placed higher
>shows no proof
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>>56845572
sure u did
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>>56845501
Does it pick their best pack to show on wonder pick?
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>>56845567
It definitely feels great when you go second and they don't highroll a misty, but one hand it hurts to play the birb going first
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>>56845554
Become a Weezing main.
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Are dual type decks any fun or too inconsistent with the random energy?
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>>56845505
Thanks, I found the language menu but as it's my only copy it only shows french. However, I was lucky so I have nothing to complain about.
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>>56845589
inconsistent
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>>56845575
>>56845579
dummys
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I can't find whales, but I can make reroll accounts and add them. Can I use this to skew wonder pick to my advantage?
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>>56845589
>Are dual type decks any fun
Yeah they are very fun.
>inconsistent
Yes they are also very inconsistent.
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>>56845595
no proof photoshop, also that guy had 9 wins same as the water deck but more losses... yeah water guy is better than whoever that is
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>>56845500
Leave the man be, he really wanted his Articuno to be called "Gelato".
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>>56845608
bro even a shit deck can have a good run in a 9 round tournament

a few days ago an alakazam greninja deck made top 4, that doesnt mean its good
its just luck
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HUH?!
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>>56845620
You were too shit at the game.
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>>56845620
Your deck forfeited when it saw your opponent had Weedle.
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>>56845589
Dual types are mostly for you to cover the deck weakness so it doesn't get blown out by certain matchups. Usually the secondary type can run on colorless so you can just give them the main color. For example, having Miensao in a Mewtwo deck just so you can cover against Darkness
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>>56845554
Gondor calls for advice
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>>56845628
That's the weird thing I didn't consneed. The guy's Marowak EX one-shotted my Ponyta, he got his first point point and then it said defeat. Dunno what happened.
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>>56845595
>every single loss was rat bat
Rough
>>56845608
Greninja guy literally had a way easier swiss bracket
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>>56845634
If you have nothing on the field then you lose
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>>56845634
Did you have anything on the bench?
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>>56845640
>>56845641
Oh, had no idea that was a rule lol. First time for me
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Are there stats for winrate based on the coinflip?
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>>56845644
Welcome to /ppg/ you passed your first test.
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>>56845650
50/50, you win or you die in the game of thrones (tm, season 8 sucks)
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>>56845650
Yes, I have 1TB of screenshots on my phone from people missing Misty's coin-flip twice and then conceding.
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>>56845554
>he fell for the weezing meme
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>>56845554
if only you got another 5 for the QUADZ of truth... but alas...
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>>56845554
if you are going to turbo autismo you might as well reroll till you start with a rare pack
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Do packs with all regular rares exist? e.g. dragonite, garde, etc.
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>>56845420
>why woulddnt you run misty on a water deck? that would be stupid
Because the card does literally nothing half of the time and you only have 20 card slots. It's great when it works, but it can cost you the game if you run two and draw + whiff them both.

It's why the version that doesn't run it is ranked so much higher in that event.
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what are the chances for a f2p to get all 3 cinematic cards? I just got the final pikachu and thought getting mewtwo and Charizard was like hitting the lotto
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>>56845709
we dunno how long the that series will be in rotation for, the longer the more chances to hit (+pack points)
probably hard to hit as pure f2p though... 2.5 packs a day and the resources have dried up hard without events
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>>56845709
You mean the immersive rares?
Getting all 3 on a F2P account would be extremely rare, they don't exactly have a high drop rate.
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>>56845707
You know what does nothing 70% of the time most decks run? Red card
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I've been pretty careful with spending my Pack Hourglasses, should I just say fuck it and burn them all on opening 10 packs?
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>>56845707
>Because the card does literally nothing half of the time
yes, and the other half gives you tempo to win the game

if you go second playing starmie you have energy tempo to win
if on top of that you hit a misty its gg

and if you go first and you hit a misty its as if you were second, but with the added bonus that you also evolve into starmie

yes, 50% does nothing, but 50% of the time wins you the game
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>>56845725
Might as well.
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>>56845725
You have like 3 months to save. Go for it.
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>>56845721
red card outside of tournaments where you have your opponent deck list at hand is pointless
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>>56845554
>as recommended
You misunderstood, it's "ass recommended".
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>>56845738
Even in a tourney it is less valuable than a misty on average
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>>56845719
>>56845709
you can wonder pick them if you want them that badly
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>>56845725
You get 4 hourglasses per day as the only form of 'regenerating' free reward.
So you get 1 pack's worth every 3 days, 10 packs per month.
That's all you'll get once you've spent all the initial rewards.
Just remember that.
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>>56845743
yes, but you should have both
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Why is this game becoming less fun the more I play it?
The games are fast, it has some fun nostalgia picks, queue times are instant, I'm not being matched against the same people
Yet the more I play the less I like it
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>>56845755
Because you're overplaying it. Take a break from the matches for a few days and just open packs.
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>>56845755
because the decks are all boring imo the game wont feel good to play until at least a year has passed
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>>56845748
I don't disagree I am disagreeing with the sperg jerking off the greninja that got an easy bracket
>he was the guy who knocked out wiggly weezing too
What a fag
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>>56845755
Go build a fun deck.
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>>56845755
If your deck isn't fun to play you need a better deck.
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>>56845755
DUBS OF TRUTH

Because it's first and foremost a collecting game, maybe the pve events will spruce things up, maybe ranked mode will but right now it's just log in and collect your shit
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>>56845727
That's the exact issue with flippy cards. They're good when they work, but they functionally just decrease your hand size by 1 if they don't. So you're playing with 1 less card than you opponent when they fail, leaving you at a disadvantage.

Red Card and Pokeball can also very easily end up a dead card. I think they'll VERY quickly fall out of use once more trainer cards are added.
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Assuming expansions are every 3 months meaning 90 days
>2 daily packs = 180
>4 hourglass from daily rewards = 30
>10 + 60 monthly shop hourglasses = 11ish
We get about 220 packs per cycle
Would you consider this good?
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>>56845755
It's not super fun to lose because you know the archetypes of your opponent already and what coin flip would've put things in your favor. There's no sense of begrudging acceptance when your opponent gets you with something unexpected because there isn't anything unexpected. Unironically getting my shit clapped with uncommon cards feels good. I got Poliwrath locked earlier and just laughed as I got swept.
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I feel like there's no good partner for Blastoise. Probably that means it's just not a good deck. You're so card and energy hungry that you really want something efficient to hold the front line. 2 energy for a golduck already feels like too much when it can easily die and waste 2 energy before you've got your blastoise ready. But it's not like Blastoise is some incredible win condition like Dragonite, stall isn't going to help.
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>Playing chansey ditto with psychic
>Enemy Mewtwo Ex deck, prediction success
>Coin flip makes him go first
>He gets Mewtwo ex on active and two Ralts on bench, all I have is Chansey.
>He uses a scope to look at my hand; Sabrina, Giovanni, Oak, Oak
>He concedes almost immediately
Okay then
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>>56845777
I've already started cutting to 1 pokeball and 5 basics. Why would I want more than 1/3 of the cards I draw to be basics? Just in my opening hand that's already 2. I can see why some decks might want more but not mine.
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>>56845783
Blastoise would be ran with starmie. 2 energy is cheap and free retreat means after you get it done you tag out. Of course this is the ideal scenario but blastoise is arguably the worst ex
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I just got PikaEX, what should a deck around it look like?
I don't have Zapdos EX yet tho.
Thanks for the help.
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>>56845777
its just overall good
most matches get decided with the initial coinflip anyways

like pikachu mirror, mewtwo mirror, mewtwo-pikachu all get decided with the initial coinflio 90% of the time

with misty is like having an extra initial coinflip that just affects you, if you were first its like you were second, and if you were second its gg

there is no reason not to run something like that
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>>56845794
Use whatever stage 1s you have on hand, Electrode or Zebstrika are the best partners
Pincurchin works too as a basic that can paralyze
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>>56845783
How about Mienshao?
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>>56845792
I know it's shit but I pulled the full deck so I need to make it work somehow. Starmie makes sense but maybe Articuno would be better, less cards required.
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>>56845781
I have mew with 350 packs opened, i would say its pretty good

(you can add 90 packs via the premium pass too)
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>>56845801
I've strongly been considering it. Are you suggesting it because you've tried it? 1 energy attacker that can deal with Pikachu is tempting.
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>>56845803
Less cards more energy
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>>56845794
what electric mons do you have?
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>>56845755
The PTCG is already poorly designed trash that doesn't even have any interesting deck building opportunities, Pocket is just that but even more dumbed down.
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>>56845781
You also need to consider that it seems they will also be doing 'mini-sets' in between major expansions, which contain less cards to collect but will still need to be pulled.

So if you account for that, then assume maybe a roughly 140/80 split in packs spent on main sets vs mini-sets.

But generally speaking, yeah it's pretty decent. Most digital TCGs only give you enough free currency for about 2 packs per day once you add everything up (daily rewards, ranked rewards, etc). So it's about on par if maybe slightly better than usual for digital TCGs.
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How do they fix the disadvantage of going first? One more card drawn?
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>>56845806
I swear, even if you're planning to go mostly F2P you should definitely still do the premium pass.

It's such an insanely good deal on a money-packs rate. You're getting 30 packs a month for 10 bucks PLUS cosmetics.
Even if you ignore the cosmetics completely, that's still 0.30 per pack, which is crazy good.
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>>56845808
>Are you suggesting it because you've tried it?
Nope. I just thought it sounded like it would fit from your post. It doesn't leech two mana, it has a purpose while you establish your EX, that sort of thing.
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>>56845808
>that can deal with pikachu
Well let me help. It doesn't. 80 HP is going to get one shot by the rat.
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>>56845781
I forgot to multiple monthly packs by 3 so we should be getting about 240ish
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>>56845818
let you place an energy but not let you attack? that'd also remove Articuno FTK
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>>56845818
you cant
the disadvantage comes from who attaches energy first and there is no way around it

at best you can create more good cards that benefit from going first like Exeggcutor EX, Weezing and Rapidash
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My favorite pokemon is Wurmple, I hope that it's added as a card soon.
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>>56845781
We get 270 packs for just logging in. That's insanely good for digital card games.
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>>56845830
major set 3, im 'fraid
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>>56845554
Double Mewtwo alone is already enough to make an account a keeper (which is good for you, because the rest of that is shit, Dragonite is a fucking noob trap that will brick you to hell)
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>>56845818
Stronger supporters that actually give you real momentum
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>>56845828
and let anyone that goes first have a turn 2 2 energy stage 1 while the opponent has basics?

that would sway the advantage the other way but even harder
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>>56845833
>We get 270 packs for just logging in
Proofs?
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>>56845818
3-game match. After the first game losers pick whether to go first or second.
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>>56845844
He is assuming you are oinking for pass and skipping the miniset
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>>56845747
Do we have all the actual math of free currency?

4 hourglasses daily, for 120 a month=10 packs
5 tickets daily for 150 a month
70 store hourglasses=5 packs and 10 hourglasses
to buy them all you need 210 tickets

There's a need of 60 tickets from other activities like challenges monthly or you won't be able to actually purchase the free 15 monthly packs that stack with the 60 monthly packs. It all translates to 375 new cards monthly from pulls, give or take. You get that same number of pack points monthly, not enough for an EX, but enough for something like 2 stage 2 and a supporter, for example.

If you include the tickets needed for the wonder pull, you need 210 extra tickets to cover for them.

I'm ignoring the 12 hourglasses for leveling up, or the recharge time for wonder picks. What could I be forgetting or not properly calculating?
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>>56845684
Rare packs are the one with a special alt arts, right? I got one with Articuno-EX, but I rerolled because my only pokémon of note was double Articuno, and I don't really care for Articuno
If it was Mewtwo or Gengar or Pikachu or some other pokémon that I liked, I'd have done it
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>>56845844
My uncle works for Nintendo.
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First rare pack while rerolling, meh
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Aerodactyl seems fun. What's a good pair to go with this guy? I know it won't be meta or gamebreaking, but something just something fun.
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>>56845861
>all 2 and below
add someone so they can get it too via wonders
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>>56845861
>play set of moltres
>...
>all below 2* rarity
POST CODE RIGHT NOW NIGGER
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How does the wonder trade choose cards? How likely is it to get a non-english trade?
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>>56845861
7000891983215500
add me breh
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>>56845858
a rare pack has 5 alt arts cards within it
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>one in five chance of getting the card you actually want with your wonder pick, if that
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>>56845875
>How does the wonder trade choose cards?
nobody knows
>How likely is it to get a non-english trade?
mostly(only?) when you have friends with other languages
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>>56845875
You will need to invite foreign accounts as friends
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>>56845875
the only non-english cards ive seen are the ones from my FL
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I'm using this exact deck. Should I remove Magmar and add anything to make it more consistent? Any other changes? I can't ever win against M2 but maybe I should accept that.
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>>56845875
The more non-English friends you have, the more chances of their picks showing up. There's no guarantee. If you want cards in other languages though, it's easier to just open packs while playing with another language active. Click your three lines on the bottom right, select settings, scroll down to language, and pick one of the other 8 options (bottom three are Japanese, Korean, and Chinese, respectively). Any cards you get from packs, Chansey picks, and bonus picks will be in that language.
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>>56845861
Legitimately the best wonder pack possible rare pack I have seen
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>>56845885
Don't accept it as failure. Accept it as you just not having the right luck. There's an anon using Ditto and Chansey, and he's supposedly been able to dominate against meta decks. If that silliness can work, you can make Magmar and co work. Believe in yourself.
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>>56845885
you can take out the red card and add another sabrina or giovanni if you are not playing random ladder and not in a tournament
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>>56845861
8948-8581-3449-3167
I'm new as in I just started today, but I know that everybody else is also new
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>>56845861

Ok here

0088-3800-7278-9946

Triple moltress rare pack acc add it before I go to gym and good luck niggies
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>>56845885
>I can't ever win against M2 but maybe I should accept that.
Check out https://pocket.limitlesstcg.com/tools/imggen
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>>56845900
added, arigatou mr roboto
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>>56845818
Yeah, I'd go with more cards. Help out stage two decks a bit. It's temporary anyways because eventually going first will mean e.g. setting up your full Arceus Vstar or Mew fuckfest because you got to evolve first.
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>>56845900
>level 3
This a reroll account or did you just luckshit?
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>>56845900
Sent :^)
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If I ever have a reason to play with this, I have two of its final battle flair. Neat.
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>>56845900
Sent, have Slowpoke avi
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>>56845861
>>56845861
BROOOO
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>>56845900
I saw that you added me, thanks.
Now, how do the Wonder pick adds work? I see my new friend in here, but he's got like a Poliwrath and some other things, not the Moltres. Does the cycle change after the time ends?
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>PLAYING MEWTWO SHIT IN BEGINNER
KYS
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>>56845919
Yes I'm trying to reroll for 2 Sabrinas or 2 Erikas
>>56845919
I don't see anyone sharing their results I guess the pack is gone or something?
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>>56845885
The trick is to use Rapidash as the active pokemon until your Ninetales is ready to revenge kill. Placing Vulpix on the active spot is gonna kill you
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>>56845923
Just don't let Mewtwo ramp, easy.
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>>56845925
>I don't see anyone sharing their results I guess the pack is gone or something?
Thanks for the add.

I think we need to wait for (if) it pops up into our wonder trade selection now, not sure anyone knows how it works right now
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>>56845927
>Puts out 150 HP slowbro
>Walla my Blaine deck
No way bro
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>>56845925
Damn, that's unfortunate. Thanks for being willing to help out at least, bro
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>>56845925
I got you but it is a different pack. It is mostly random and most people here have huge friend lists
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Is this game worth anything for non-complets? I just want to collect my shock rats and my bulbous bois.
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>>56845943
If you just want a few cards, trading will be added eventually.
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>>56845792
>blastoise is arguably the worst ex
You have clearly never used Arcanine Ex. I saw a strong blastoise Ex deck before but I can't recall what they used with it
>>56845794
Pika ex is kind of weak imo without Electrode or Zapdos ex support.
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>>56845800
>Zebstrika are the best partners
>Pincurchin works too as a basic that can paralyze

These are horrible suggestions imo. Do you actually have a Pikachu ex deck? Can you post it? I remember seeing these suggestions before and it felt awful.
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>>56845554
If you didn't get an alt art for a meta relevant Pokemon (or Misty), reroll.
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>>56845943
Literally what this game was made for
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I decided I would get the Pikachu. I didn't try for Pikachu; I CHOSE to get it.
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>>56845964
Give ME your clairvoyance.
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>>56845943
This game is literally collecting first and meta second, especially if you're not a whale. Karenfagging will suit you a lot better in the long run, because when this game inevitably starts ramping powercrept out the ass, you'll just end up having more fun getting your favorites and playing with them, rather than trying and failing to keep up with the meta without spending.
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>>56845968
3 or 4 slot, you pick
then you spend your WHOLE pocket career picking that slot and that slot ONLY!
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I just realized Eevee has like 4 different cards wtf? Little shit has it way too good
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>>56845974
>you'll just end up having more fun getting your favorites and playing with them
yeah im sure i'll a ton of fun using my favorites against meta and getting my shit pushed in!!!!1
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>>56845975
The early days of FEH taught me: always bet on bottom right.
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>NEW UPDATE!
What did they change?
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>>56845968
The next card you pick should be top left.
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>>56845981
Prepping for part 2 which comes out at reset
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>>56845977
More fun than constantly chasing and failing to get meta cards without whaling or lucksacking hard. If you are a whale or extremely lucky, then ignore my post. But otherwise, you are better off either just goofing off with your favorites or just drop in the game if you can't except the fact that your whale opponents will roll you.
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>>56845974
>>56845961
Oh no, I’ll probably engage very little with the PvP aspect of the game at all. I’m in it basically strictly for wasting my sanity opening packs and getting pretty virtual cardboard for the dopamine hit.
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>>56845957
I have one but it's extremely half-assed, couldn't pull electrode or zebstrika so I have to use heliolisk
I've heard those two work better though
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>>56845980
Go back
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>>56845919
I checked and poliwrath was 3 packs before the rare pack. I get it's random
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>>56845984
Nice! I got 7 tickets!
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>>56845981
Giving you 100 packs, but only if you post your credit card number and the three digits on the back.
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>>56845993
Fuck. Thanks.
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>>56845995
This but 17
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Will they make him viable for /pocket/ in Set2?
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>>56845997
4635-4753-4576-0797 139
The card is expired though is that fine?
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>>56846006
Why's it an Electric-Type
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>>56845981
The update came after I won a battle, now it's telling me it was not correctly ended and will count as a loss.
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>>56846012
Delta Species card did this stupid gimmick
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I didn’t get an update
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>>56845991
>>56845991
>I've heard those two work better though
they don't. whoever said that is a fucking retard. it's fucking awful. they do only 30 damage.... Pikachu is about getting out lots of damage quickly. those 2 do not do that. Magnemite is also horrible for this. All Magnemite is useful for is pumping energy into raichu.

Pika Ex works best imo with
Electrode/Zapdos
Helio
Maybe jolteon if you're lucky enough to evolve it quickly so you don't lose damage having it on your bench.
Electabuzz is probably the last one you want. but you really don't want to use Pincurchin or Zebrastrike as their damage is so low.
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What're they gonna be?
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>>56846036
I can't figure out how to tilt the cards like this
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Does doing a wonder pick replace it with a new one instantly? I added rarepack bro, but I need to wait two hours for most of what I have to expire
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>>56845957
>These are horrible suggestions imo
Retard. This is the winning decklist of the biggest tourney to date https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/671d04750947ec3b5d18b829/player/ilovequeijo/decklist
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>>56846037
Basically the same way you check for bent packs
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>>56846039
Anons pack just got on my wonderlist, primape pack

so i guess we wait
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>>56845900
sent bwo
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>>56846040
Don't care. It's bad. I'm sure you can find many other top rated pika decks that do not use those horrible cards.
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Does it make more sense to save up my pack points for a crown card or use them to pick off my missing two stars?
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Gengar bros our deck is a joke
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>>56846036
It was Machamp and Kabutops. Not the worst but I've got no Machops or chokes. Or Dome Fossils.
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>>56846053
>Don't care. It's bad
Proof?
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>>56846054
both are cosmetic so do whatever, i used my to fill out my dex for mew first
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>>56846014
delta were proto-terastal pokemon
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What's with the dude jerking it to tournament results?
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>>56846012
Every Delta species pokémon ended up being a type that wasn't its original one
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>>56846064
What's with retarded randos claiming they know better
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wtf it's real!
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>>56846054
Compare their cost in booster pity and wonder pick currency. I don't wanna do the math, but I think wonder picking the rarer things and using booster points on the less rare is better.
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>>56846062
I was going to insult the man but you changed my mind. Maybe Delta species was a dumb gimmick
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>>56845923
when I see someone play a meta deck there I wait until the timer runs out every turn
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>>56846064
There's no ranked yet so tourny results are the only real metric to measure how good a deck is.
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>>56846078
they had to push metal some way man, cut them some slack...
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>>56846070
Retarded idiots are rarely self aware of their ignorance. They're too stupid to realize they're stupid and that makes them absurdly confident in their retarded unsubstantiated claims and personal biases.
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>>56846081
Makes sense I guess.
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weezing vs weezing. the most exciting match up you can have in pocket with the current meta
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>>56846093
*falls asleep and dies from boredom*
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>>56846081
>tourny results are the only real metric to measure how good a deck is
false
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>>56846078
Why would I care about a retard's jeering?
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>arguing about which Pikachu EX deck is the best
Absolute faggotry. I hope they never put a ranked mode into pocket.
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>>56846093
>the Chad gas chamber deck vs the virgin dragon staller
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>>56846093
>cards still in the deck
not THAT bad
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I love how smug this little floating shit is. He's living his best life and no one can stop him.
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>>56846101
yeah because your ass will be in silver 2
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>>56846059
I've used the cards and can see?
https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/671d04750947ec3b5d18b829/metagame/pikachu-ex-zapdos-ex-a1/cards
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Finally beat this gay ass mission
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>>56846101
>anon makes retarded statement
>you are wrong here is proof
>no I am the smartest everyone else is wrong
I refuse to give these people an inch. weezing just got its first top 8 at a real tourney btw
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Stop using the brap deck
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>>56846112
Full art Koffing when?
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>>56846105
Im not too knowledgeable about dragonite but I had KO'ed all of the nites so I'm not sure how they would have come back from this.
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>3 more wonder picks expire within 10 mins
>The rest will take a couple more hours
I hope I get anon's pack, bros.
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>enters the field after having an orgy with her harem of nidokings
>slaps your ass for 230 damage
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>>56846098
What other metric is there?
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>Win coin flip
>That means you go "first"
>OH, but turns out you don't get energy until the 2nd turn, sorry chud!
>Your opponent actually goes first

Shit game design.
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>>56846120
BRRRAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPP
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>>56846135
>Heads on the Misty flip
Looks like I'M going first
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>>56846119
Do you want to battle little bitch boy?
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>>56846131
>except she doesn't
>she died turn 2 and her harem died turn 4 and 6
>it was all a dream
this post was made by hitmonCHAD into GODslash
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>>56846135
You draw first and can play a supporter first.
Enemy gets to play an energy and attack first.

In the official TCG it's draw and play energy first, but enemy can play supporters and attack. I think that works better, so I don't really understand why they swapped it around.
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reminder, mewtwofrens
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>>56846141
>solo Muk
The absolute KING.
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>>56846156
DUSTING ALL MY MEWTWOS RIGHYT RUFCKING NOW!!!!!!!!!
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>>56846152
I am a lucklet and have literally 0 decks online except misswak so I am just sitting here seething checking tourney results
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>>56846150
Still can't attack
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>>56846166
If you can attach enough energy with a card like Misty on the first turn you're allowed to attack. It's why people hate Articuno EX cancer
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>>56846156
And what they do with their gift of life is become a suicidal neurotic and mutilate themselves.

Mewtwo says Trans are a waste of potential.
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does poison last only for one turn?
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Wow, playing without EX and coin flip cards really makes you realize how fucking shite they all are. The game must match make based on your deck because for like 8 games in a row I was getting decks similar to mine with few to no EX cards. I even defeated 2 articuno decks both getting 0 misty energy 2 times. But then I played an articuno deck and it got a 9 energy misty on turn 1 and just wiped me.

Anyone defending coin flips also must admit that it’s not a “random 50/50 chance, the game definitely favors one result or another based on certain things, it’s a lot like call of duty lobby matchmaking, it tries to make it feel natural, but you can tell what’s going on.

I hope more anons choose to adopt and support the “no EX, no coin flips” meta for /vp/, it really opens the game up and makes more decks and mons viable.
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>>56846154
Yea, the way it's currently set up I can see the potential for you getting a perfect support setup on turn 1 but this literally only banks on you getting a perfect hand turn 1, otherwise going "first" is an inherent disadvantage...
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>>56846173
Okay yeah they definitely need to swap to official TCG version then.
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>>56846186
I only play coin flip decks and I won't stop until they release real control.
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>>56846165
So you don't even have a deck. Let alone use that particular deck. And you want to argue with me about it? because someone else lucked up and won with it?

Get a deck and come face me. Then we'll see who's the retarded one.
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Guys I found a mega whale.
They had two of those fancy mewtwo exs I never stood a chance.
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If you're playing a mewtwo or pikachu mirror match every game is decided at the coinflip unless something goes astronomically wrong with your draw.
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>>56846204
those mewtwos are common tho... :/
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>>56846197
Why don’t you just flip a coin IRL and then cheer if it comes up heads, it’s the same exact thing.
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>>56846204
>two of those fancy mewtwo exs
That's 90% of the players I have encountered.
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>>56846217
I must be the rare 10% then
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>>56846183
it lasts until you swap out or evolve
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>>56846204
i faced someone who had that mewtwo with purple shiny effects
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>>56846186
>The game must match make based on your deck
I don't think it works like that. It's probably more like if you're losing more you get placed against weaker players. but you'll see far less meta decks in the beginner q
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>>56846212
The point is to feed off the misery of others
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>>56846176
>Mewtwo makes a genetically modified clone of you that is a girl just to mock you about how cute you could be but never will be because YWNBAW
BASED
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>>56846156
Some obese balding 42 year old man wearing a skirt and pink panties posted this.
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Whales keep games alive sure, but these fucks with all the premium ticket shit scare me.
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>>56846200
The other anon might not want to but I'll duel you
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>>56846271
You can get this F2p bro trust the plan
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>>56846280
Is that Mew card good or is it just for flair
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>pulled a 3rd IAR Pikachu
GIVE ME FUCKING GRENINJA AND BASIC ARCANINE ALREADY YOU STUPID FUCKING YELLOW RAT
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>>56846204
>no crowns
Plebian
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>>56846296
Funny red card strats but it's mostly bad
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Crab status?
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>>56846186
>The game must match make based on your deck
its funny how Im seeing this with pocket after seeing all the people think the same thing happens with live
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No game, I'm not gonna waste my wonder picks...
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>>56846296
>60 hp
>20 damage
>ebin hand knowledge at the cost of doing an actually good attack
The best it could do is give you potential early game advantage imo, and even then it would need to combo with red card which would only be good once, and it still requires an energy you could be giving to someone better.

Could be interesting to flex and meme on people though.
Maybe in the future it could be useful if the meta develops to be more yugioh like where a single card from your opponent can fuck over your Turn 1 strategy combo and lets you know if you need to wait or not, but as it stands it isn't good but still fun and interesting slightly, which is good because if Mew was a meta threat that would be absolutely abysmal and game killing.
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Stadiums when
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>>56846321
Kek someone did that and got 20% by the cat
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>>56846328
next set. trust
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>>56846329
Twice lol
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>>56846186
>vp being a no-ex community
would be nice
a lot of non-ex cards are goofy in a fun way, but EX motherfuckers make it hard to try out fun decks
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>>56846272
What do I get if I win
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uh I have 6 (six) Alakazam full art cards, what can I do with the dupes
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>>56846308
Kingler? No tournament tops yet. But hold out hope, crabbro, the miniset will make him meta.
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>>56846338
dust em for flair cosmetics in the card collection menu
or save for trade
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>>56846204
Believe it or not I pulled my first Mewtwo day one. Today when I woke up I pulled another two in back to back packs. I've put no money into this game unless you count the free trial that I fully plan to cancel before I'm charged
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>>56846321
I can't believe it's two whole ones too, it's a such a scam when you get the bonus picks so often
Not even good cards, well meowth has card draw and persian can meme it up, but chansey is almost anti strategy since you can't retreat it and a smart player will just let it sit there until their mewtwo/whatever is ready and then just Sabrina you and gain tempo putting them at the advantage.
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Is it me or is red card ACTIVELY bad for the user in most scenarios?

Energies are free.
Either you dump your basics immediately so they can start evolving and gaining energy ergo they're no longer in hand (unless you're really afraid of a Sabrina/Victreebel/Pidgeot bench snipe), or else your bench is full so they're worthless bricks.
You can't tutor evolutions, only random basics with PokeBall. So there's no use case of seeing them tutor then shuffling it before they can use it the next turn.

So every turn, a person dumps most everything playable in their hand. The only things you hold back are situational aids like Potion, X Speed, or non-oak/misty/brock supporters. And you have no assurance that their hand contained them when you red carded or won't contain them afterwards, other than it they're holding less cards.

Which means for the most part, using red card is only wheeling away your opponents bricks and giving them more gas when they were probably out of they had 4+ cards in hand. It's only useful if your opponent has had plenty of gas so far and you need to prevent them from healing, retreating, boosting damage, or switching you out.
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>>56846156
He's not supporting anything. He's saying it's your choice to fuck yourself for life or not.
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>change from beginner to TCG player
>Articuno, Articuno, Starmie/Articuno, Pikachu EX
I'm going back to the beginner queue.
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>>56846337
A kiss on the cheek nigga what do you think
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>Got second Misty and second Pika ex from the same pull
Things are coming along pretty well, could put together budget Pika and water decks now, though I am still missing any Zapdos and copies of any good water mons
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>>56846352
I hope I play you with my Articuno, Starmie, Starmie, Greninja team. I'm a beginner, by the way
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>>56846349
>Is it me or is red card ACTIVELY bad for the user in most scenarios
Yes. it's very easy to see how bad it is if you play with someone you're able to ask how effective the red card was.
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>>56846357
Damn I was hoping for blowjob.
Oh well, beggars and choosers and all that.
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>>56846186
>Anyone defending coin flips also must admit that it’s not a “random 50/50 chance
There is no such thing as true RNG when using computer simulation. It's all an algorithm to simulate RNG.
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>>56846349
Shhhh
If you spread the word about the truth behind red card people might stop un-bricking me
I love seeing my worthless potions and x-speeds turn into pokeballs and oaks and evolutions.

On the other hand, has anyone here ever wasted a potion/xspeed/whatever just to put them down to 3 cards since you're holding on to a precious stage1/2?
I swear people I play against will red card you the second you are above 3, but I always wonder if they will see through my mind games one day.
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Bros my charizard packs have always given me the best pulls but now I'm spinning the carousel until I see the sparkles and then stopping it and quickly picking the pack I stop on. I have gotten 3 1-3 star cards consecutively. It's probably psychobabble pseudoscience superstitious placebo. Don't spend money on gacha but if you want to try something different for fun you can. If anybody has tried it in the past let me know. I like to save some of my hourglasses but I'll try it again when I get free packs.
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>>56846352
I haven't started battling others yet. What do the decks look like in beginners?
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>>56846386
all meta decks lol, there's no restrictions so it's a free for all
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say hello to major bob
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>>56846386
>What do the decks look like in beginners?
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>>56846393
supple breasteses
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>>56846390
>>56846396
That's a shame. I was hoping I could win with random mons.
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>>56846393
Lt. Bob Surge
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>>56846393
GROUND CONTROL TO MAJOR BOB
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For the next thread remember to use a picture of a card in the OP, any card! It makes it easier to find without searching.
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>>56846419
>any card!
This but Weezing
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>>56846349
yes its bad to use in most situation. its usefulness depends on how the game goes. Ive used it to stop people from evolving their attackers and to make people have to use a research so they couldn't use a gio and KO that turn or gust me with sabrina. its not strong/broken like other disruption cards are in the pokemom TCG, but its still a disruption card so I think its good to have at least one for certain situations.
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>guy concedes right as I press the attack button
what a bitch boy
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>>56846251
>switch to meta mewtwo deck
>instantly matched up with 2 mewtwo decks and a pikachu ex deck
>switch to Cloyster deck
>instantly matched up against shit
It works exactly like that, the game weighs your deck and match makes based on that and other factors like win rate too obviously. I can also tell some games are “advertisement” games, where it gives me all my cool cards to show the other player who is clearly a free to play player.

The card draw is absolutely retarded. The bottom 3 cards of my deck are always the only cards I need to make my combo go off.

I’ve been testing a lot, and it’s so obvious the RNG is being heavily manipulated on the back end, with 20 cards it’s very easy to tell. I can see some games are clearly in my favor and others not.

>>56846334
/vp/ meta is what will save this game from whatever crazy shit the creators pull all along the way. I really think this game will replace the paper game even more than what happened with Magic the Gathering. Having a meta that isn’t controlled by the creators means we can set rules that make the game fun, fair, and evergreen.

Do you really want to have to open up 40 shitty pikachu packs? Do you like getting one shot on turn 2 by a pikachu ex? Or on turn one by articuno?

Coin flips have ruined Pokémon in the past, see frozen rule and sleep rule in the VG and countless TCG World Championships that have been decided by a coin flip, it’s gay as fuck, the no EX no coin flip meta will prevail.
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>>56846419
That's why we use ppg anon. Why would you not utilize the search feature?/
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>>56846435
>I really think this game will replace the paper game even more than what happened with Magic the Gathering.
People said the same about YGO Master Duel and the TCG is still alive and kicking nearly three years and two Tier 0 formats later
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What should I do when my 2 week free trial runs out?
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>>56846439
But is it? I’m my lgs only kids under 15 play Pokémon and only a few yugioh fans play yugioh, there isn’t even a yugioh night, of the 3 major tcg’s I’d say yugioh is the weakest, Pokémon has the brand, mtg is more mature, yugioh is the worst of both worlds, it’s seen as childish and autistic. I could get away with taking my gf to a mtg prerelease or a Pokémon tournament, but never a fucking yugioh anything.

I predict yugioh will continue to fall off and do whatever it can to stay relevant but it won’t be enough.
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EX cards were a mistake
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>>56846435
your anecdotal evidence does not match up with my anecdotal evidence so you're wrong.
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>>56846132
The more I like the card art the better the deck.
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>>56846449
Wait ‘till they introduce V cards…
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>>56846447
uhhh... pay up.. goi ;3
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>>56846451
That’s likely I’m not super plugged into yugioh, maybe it’s my area, but also, I’m usually right (always).
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>>56846447
Go to the old folks' home and steal your mom's credit card.
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Sorry for the dumb question. I've been getting this every day and I have no idea if I'm actually getting the rewards. Am I doing something wrong?
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>>56846452
Can't argue with that logic.
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Do you guys think Meowth is good? I have games where it draws me 3 cards which seems great but a Farfetch'd would have just done 120 damage in the same scenario
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>>56846456
Im talking about the match making arguments. I run into mew2 and pika decks all the time no matter what Im using. they're popular decks
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So far I'm undefeated with the Charizard deck I completed today. This deck enjoys the overabundance of Mewtwo decks online. It's a nice change of pace from playing the Mewtwo deck and getting mirror match after mirror match. It feels like my opponents were less familiar with playing against Charizard than Mewtwo, because my opponents made several mistakes.
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>>56846461
You're getting them but it might be hard to notice. That's literally just one (1) hourglass for packs and wonder picks. It's almost nothing.
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>>56846469
So by clicking that you get 1 wonder pick hourglass and 1 shop ticket daily?
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>>56846473
Yep.
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>>56846464
Meowth is a trap, it's a shit card and you're wasting your turns for card draw that is basically worthless when you consider how small your deck is.
You already have professor's research x2 and pokeball x2 for draw, you don't need to be wasting turns on such awful, slow card draw.

As you've already figured out, you're better off just putting an actually good pokemon in your deck instead.
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>>56846475
And the box on the left doesn't mean anything?
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uhhh mewtwobros?

Why are we jobbing so hard in tournaments??? I thought we were supposed to be the best deck?!
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>>56846478
Hop off Meowth
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Wait so a ranked ladder mode is actually coming out?
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>>56846480
The box on the left is a graphical representation of the gift box containing exactly one hourglass and one shop ticket. When you tap on it, it should add a graphical representation of the player's disappointed face.
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>>56846489
Thanks for the clarification
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>>56846483
Mewtwo EX Gard is unfortunately a bit fragile and slow for the current meta. Not to mention that it has literally no backup plan if the opponent manages to KO your Mewtwo.
It's still decent, but it's like Tier 2.
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>>56846488
Eventually, yes.
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>>56846483
a 46-47% winrate is still pretty good. thats almost winning half your matches.
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>>56846478
Yeah I'm not listening to you, I recognize your posting style. Anyone else with an opinion?
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>>56846465
Even if you don’t make “meta top 3” decks, if you’re still making good decks you’ll run into them. You’ll also notice, if you run a sandslash deck, the mewtwo deck you’ll face is much different than a mewtwo vs mewtwo deck, usually you can tell it’s a worse player.
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>>56846503
Meowth is a trap, it's a shit card and you're wasting your turns for card draw that is basically worthless when you consider how small your deck is.
You already have professor's research x2 and pokeball x2 for draw, you don't need to be wasting turns on such awful, slow card draw.

As you've already figured out, you're better off just putting an actually good pokemon in your deck instead.
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>>56846503
Meowth is cute and silly and should be in every deck
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>>56846483
Are people sleeping on Starmie?
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>>56846506
no Ive used sandslash and the mewtwo decks Ive faced are pretty much the same from what I saw used in tourneys.
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>>56846483
That many decks winning nearly 50% of matches is a sign of a healthy meta.
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>>56846487
>>56846478
I’m testing meowth now, it’s pretty good, card draw is always OP, and it draws you into more draw, witch is even better.

>>56846503
Once single meowth and only ever 4 basic Pokémon makes meowth and pokeball combo garuntee you’re set up every game.
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>>56846483
>BOTH articuno variants over 60% winrate
surely TPC will do something about this 18 trainer bullshit right? This is way beyond cancer
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>>56846515
No
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the bug fix patch is fixing my luck for sure
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>>56846521
yuh huh
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>>56846483
Because it's weak to everyones favorite rogue deck.
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>>56845709

F2P here can confirm I've got all 3

Fwiw my luck has been mostly dog shit otherwise
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Whats this fishing thing? More ways to spend wonder pick stamina? Plus a daily freebie to get more free stuff?
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>>56846513
Sleeping on Starmie? That picture shows that over 6% of the decks that competed were a variation of a Starmie deck, which would place it as hovering neck-and-neck with Charizard and Marowak competing for third most popular deck in the format.
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>>56846483
>surge Raichu has 60%
Uh, based?
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>>56846517
I've been testing a Mewtwo Gardevoir deck with Meowth in it as well as a singleton Persian. Meowth always feels like I'm giving my opponent a free point but being able to evolve it and go on the offensive once I'm done drawing feels very good. I can't say if it's actually better but I'm liking it more at least.
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>>56846542
Forgot pic
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>>56846542
From what I've seen the term fishing might be getting interchanged with wonder picking. What we do know is their's indication that focused wonder picks will come up that target a specific element such as presenting five fire type Pokemon only.
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>>56846492
Not explainer anon but it also took me way too long to figure it out. There are some quirks and designs that leave me real puzzled and confused. It's peak japanesium.
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>>56846542
It's how they translated wonder picks
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I've been having a lot of fun with Venusaur ex. It jobs pretty hard to Mewtwo and Zard but mogs the shit out of all the retards running Articuno. Does decent against Pika decks but not the surge variant as much.

I've been running it with (non) ex eggs and feel like a chad forcing these twink fast decks to go through x2 130 HP walls before even getting to the boss mon. With Erika/Potions/Venusaur it's easily over 600HP they get forced to clear lmfao.
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>>56846483
Who's the mad lad running Alakazam Weezing? I want to see his list.
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>>56846554
The answer is no it's probably not better. You're drawing Meowth instead of what you actually want, which is Mewtwo or a card in the Gardevoir family. You think you're buying yourself time but you're actually effectively slowing down your deck by diluting the card pool.
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>>56846572
It's probably the same thing but I assume the idea is to Koga out Weezing to remove any set up sweeper once your Alakazam is ready
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>>56846554
When I tested with and without Persian I always did better without it, the game LOVES to give you a second evo to “show” you how it’s important to have basic mons, or some shit.

Every fucking game it picks a card type to “teach a lesson” about.
>oh look, you have 5 basic Pokémon in this deck? What if you draw all 5 of those and 5 trainer cards before you even get a second level evo?
>oh, you have 2 x-speeds? Guess you want both of those and a Giovanni and a Sabrina in your first hand.
I even learned to abuse this little fucking Jap game they play. Put a Caterpie in your deck and turn off green mana, you can double draw and get ur Butterfree and then have free potions for game. It kept giving me Caterpie to start every game in my melmetal deck because it thought it was teaching me a lesson about energy requirements.

Suck me Gamefreak, suck me easy.
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>>56846570
>I've been having a lot of fun
You can get the fuck out.
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>>56846580
Not made by Gamefreak
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Any deck advise to make Gyarados "Work"? Best I've come up with is Throwing in a bunch of tanky or strong basic mins like Kanga or Articuno (Normal) to make sure I don't brick on Magikarp. It's still like a shitty version of a Dragonite deck which is already pretty shit.
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>>56846591
Hope for support in future sets is basically all you can do.
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>2 hours of straight battling
>Still can't level once
>M2's, Pika EX's and Articuno's in beginner half the time
Level 16 and this sucks.
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>>56845231
They are demonstrating the frame methinks.
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>>56846591
>Misty
>roll 4 heads
>win
It's just that easy
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>>56846602
Try TCG player instead of beginner, you might face with overconfident whales who have expensive decks but don't know how to play them. I klnow I have
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>>56846591
Dragonite is decent. Gyarados only works with Misty.
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Holy shit
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>>56846617
HOOOOOOOOOOOOLY
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>>56846617
NICE
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>>56846576
>You think you're buying yourself time
You get cards with Meowth, not time. If you want time you use Kang instead. Besides, Gardevoir Mewtwo with a single Meowth has placed in the top of a few tournament lists. Alongside a variant uses Jynx instead. It's like other anons pointed out in this thread. Mewtwo is fragile. Having a non-essential mon on the bench to protect against Sabrina is good and Meowth can pull double duty by helping your gameplan. Jynx likewise can act as a Sabrina shield and can hit decently hard. The way I see it, using Persian combines the two.
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>>56846617
Nice.
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>>56846617
fuckin sick anon
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>>56846617
Add me, now!
8561464884443170
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>>56846617
friend code, NOW
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Shoutouts to all of you bastards liking showcases .3 seconds after reset. I'm paying it forward best I can.
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>>56846625
It's an interesting theory but I believe reducing Pokeball targets to speed up the process of getting the core pieces of the deck out onto the field will prove to be the safer strategy. Retrieving a Jynx or Meowth from the deck with a Pokeball would piss me off to no end.
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>>56846625
Yeah but 1/5 cards meowth draws is pokeball or professor research, meaning you draw 2-3 cards and get through your deck faster.

Also, if you run 2 mewtwo, 1 gard, 1 meowth, 1/4 times you’ll get free extra card on turn one and tank 1-2 attacks with meowth. A single meowth, no Persian, and low amount of basic mons, also means that pokeballs that draw into meowth can actually draw into any card, same turn if you’ve got x-speed or retreat cost.
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>>56846632
My friend ID is
2471892898012659

I'm not opening any other packs today so good luck.
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>>56846650
Thanks anon, gonna wait a few minutes for my wonder pick to update
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>>56846634
>after the reset
fuck, thanks for reminding me
lemme go thank some vp bros
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>>56846638
If the Meowth/Jynx variants fall off from tournament showings we'll get an answer, I suppose. And also once we get ranked. Still, like I said before, the deck feels better for me to play and I'm willing to give up a few win percentage points if it gives me a better play experience.
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>Doing Zard packs trying to get FA Sabrina hopelessly until new season
>Got Moltres EX
>Actually need Articuno EX
Truly suffering
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Premiumbros, did you finish all your Premium Tasks yet? What are you people saving them for?
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>>56846663
FA Sabrina will come to those with patience.
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>>56846666
QUADS
PREMIUMCHAD
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Also, Persian can occasionally discard a card from your opponents hand. So he's like a ghetto Red Card, too.
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do the pack points expire?
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>>56846662
True. I respect your viewpoint here even if I may disagree. I will probably play around with adding a Jynx or Mewtwo for fun because honestly the deck can get pretty repetitive, and facing against it so often adds to some of the monotony as well. In general I think I will slow down on playing matches until more cards are introduced and the ranked matches are implemented.
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>>56846671
If the expansion goes out of rotation yes (it says that when you click the info button on the pack points thing)
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>>56846671
When this set eventually rotates out, yes. We'll probably get plenty of warning before then though.
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>>56846675
*meowth
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>>56846666
I'm dumb so I'm probably going to pay this first month and grab everything. Next month though if the promo cards are still extremely cheap and it isn't a mat set that i like, I'll probably just pop in and out as things interest me. My free packs are perfectly spaced out 8 hours apart. I'm a bit afraid I'll get used to it if I don't cancel after this first month.
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Does anyone know if the Premium pass trial expires if you don't claim it after a certain amount of time?

And when would be the best time to use it? Like a day before the end of November I think?
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>>56846650
Also I put a Mewtwo binder on my profile so people know they got the right person.
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>>56846685
If the mat set next month is the one that's already datamined, it's a nice scene of the Bulbasaur family line. I will definitely want it
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>>56846694
Datamine says that one is an event one. The next premium one should be the pikachu one. Of course they could change it beforehand.
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>>56846699
>premium card is a pikachu variant
>all the bonus stuff is mewtwo
>next pass card is a mewtwo variant
>all the premium stuff is pikachu stuff
this how they jew the ocd niggas
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>>56846617
So is it possible to Wonder Pick God packs? Crazy if so.
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>>56846663
She's a nice centerpiece. Don't spend real money on gacha.
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>>56846701
Yes, only 2 gold stars and below though like: >>56845861
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>>56846645
>>56846638
>>56846625
Playing earlier I thought I noticed that Meowth offset the ‘going first’ penalty pretty heavily. Like if you go first with meowth, you can set up whatever, tank their first hit, then go and either draw a card and sac meowth or sometimes their starter and bench can’t 2 hit him, so you can pull him out and save a point.
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>>56846704
Very nice
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>>56846704
Trade her to me. I don't care how you do it, just make it happen
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>>56846700
Can't you just save your premium tickets from the first month and get the stuff from the second after cancelling your subscription? Or do premium passes expire too?
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New shitter here, just started yesterday. So far I’ve been able to get two Pika exs, a Jolteon and a Heliolisk, but no Zap nor ‘Trode yet. My only other halfway decent deck is a Grass energy engine of Liligant to feed Venusaur ex. Roughly how fucked am I?
I also have two Articunos (regular and ex), but haven’t started building them yet.
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>>56846706
So that guy's pack with the crown card isn't gonna show up then? Lame but typical
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>>56844812
Will crafting a special effect apply it to ALL my remaining cards?
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>>56846704
great minds think alike
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Add ability to reorganize decks screen please
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>>56846448
It's funny how One Piece is replacing all games except pokemon. Digimon is fucking dead where I live.

Bamco fucked up not making a TAMERS sequel/spin-off to market the game.
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Pulled a misty but im not a f*g that plays w*ter types

wanna trade lads?
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>>56846717
Just commit to opening Pikachu packs and save wonderpicks for the off chance you see a Zapdos EX would be my advice. Commit until the pikachu deck is complete
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>>56846580
classic schizo post from someone who doesn't understand probability or randomness
you probably think that matchmaking is a forced 50 or that 'declumping' cards before shuffling gives you better hands
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>>56846727
I have 3 charizards and want nothing to do with them
>>56846722
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>boss, are you sure you want me to...?
>yes, now do it.
>o-ok... *BRAAAAAP*
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>>56846723
This pisses me off even though it's so minor.
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>>56846727
Water decks are a meme right now
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>>56846726
I think Tamers is the next big thing they will bring back. Adventure 1 and 2 got their followup stuff. Also, here in the US Discotek Media is remastering the old seasons of Digimon on Bluray and next up will be Tamers after they release the first three movies together.
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>>56846617
Wish the Crowns got background like Gengar's instead of the ugly banana pudding spiral
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Worried about saving these timer refresh items since I'm F2P, am I paranoid? They're dropping these shits like candy and I know that's how they get you.
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>>56846727
I'd trade you my crown zard for her
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>>56846717
>two Pika exs
Those are the important cards so you're doing fine
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>>56846728
That figures. I wanted to hunt the Saur theme deck in the Zard packs (for eggs and a few randos) but I might just have to go full pikanigga.
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>>56846736
It's truly bizarre when you consider that you already can reorganize your showcases and binders
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>>56846666
Is premium currency gonna reset? I'd throw money at it every once in a while to hoard premium tickets in case something cool pops up and I got no time to farm missions.
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>>56846744
Yeah, once you use up the stuff they give you in the start it turns into a right trickle. You need to exercise restraint when spending them.
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>>56846753
I doubt it, but if it does for whatever fucking reason I'll just dump my shit in the Mewtwo shit I guess
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>>56846704
>>56846722
*posted without comment*
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>>56846756
>Here's the F2P player I was telling you about
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>everyone popping up with immersive cards left and right
>just want my little yellow rat and nothing to show for it so far
Guess I’ll die.
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>>56846762
>>56846762
>>56846762
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>>56846748
Pika is strong but I got more fun with Blastoise. My other mons are X1 Lapras and x2 Meowths.
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>>56846748
Well other anons might tell you otherwise. And honestly, I'd recommend looking up videos of the gameplay of the Pikachu EX deck if you're not familiar with it. If you're not as interested in it as say Exeggutor EX, than maybe you should go to the Charizard packs. At the end of the day fun should be the piority. But if you are interested in being competitive on the ranked ladder when it is introduced, finishing the Pikachu EX deck will put you in a very good spot for this current meta.
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>>56846677
but if they dont go out of rotation and they add new packs can i use them on cards in the new expansions?
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has anyone made a kabutops deck
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>>56845341
slower decks make better use of a more timely/late-game sabrina meaning you will generally see it when you need it by then (slower decks also dont make use of early tempo sabrinas especially against decks like pikachu ex/starmie ex with very cheap retreat costs)
some decks like scraping up points immediately not letting your opponent build up a bench and put a lot of aggressive pressure with more tempo oriented sabrinas so 2 copies would be needed
sabrina is a great card and one minimum is currently necessary but the choice for two depends on the deck
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>>56844866
Okay chill out there Asmondgold.
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>>56845135
My apartment has the same but I pay 9 dollars a month for 1000 download
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>>56844812
Total metafag death.
As anti-fun as pozzed woketard.
Have fun slapping the same decks 24/7, I'll playing private with friends only.
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>>56847202
What
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>>56847691
don't (you) me or my son's wife ever again



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