Kino editionPrevious Thread: >>56828379This is a thread aimed at self insertion fantasies of female humans with male pokemon. Established human characters are permitted but are not the focus. Keep it reasonably pokeyume and on topic. No yuri/yaoi.>Booruhttps://monyu.me>Bots:Typhlosion Abduction: https://janitorai.com/characters/04e5cf75-da09-4f93-aa4f-605fbc443274_character-hisuian-typhlosionShy Muk: https://janitorai.com/characters/9acb6bb2-5746-4757-81a8-e3a7ced9f9b4_character-mukSuicune Adventures: https://janitorai.com/characters/20d143a7-74ec-4561-8918-6d85b4894068_character-suicune>Other Threads:Gay Husbandos: >>>/vp/mpomhYuri Waifus: Make a thread!Pokemon Waifus: >>>/vp/hmofpHuman Husbandos: >>>/vp/husbandoHuman Waifus: No general, just search for the trainer nameThread questions: (Answer whichever you like)For yumes:>Are you into any terato outside of pokemon? If so, was pokemon your first interest or a later addition?>What trainer class would you be in the Pokemon world? (Breeder, Swimmer, Psychic, Hiker, Ace trainer, Blackbelt, Fisher, etc.)>What would you do if you one day woke up with your pokehusband in the real world?>Do you imagine your pokehusband to be similar to others in his species, or is he a special one?For everyone:>What's a question you would like to ask others with the same pokehusband/insertmon as you?>What is the most romantic song in the games?For monster inserters:>Do you imagine life as a pokemon beyond the romantic fantasy in any way?>Would you prefer to live with your wife in a more "human" or "feral" or "wild" setting?
Anchor post for original art.Reply to this post if you drew something yourself.
Activities:- Draw yourself and your husbandomon going to the movies!- Draw a romantic dinner at a restaurant- Draw yourself and your husbandomon create something (painting, singing, dancing etc)(The dudes may also do this with their favorite mon they insert into+a human girl)You may also write about these activities if you prefer. Another round of activities will be posted if much of the thread remains after a week.
>>56896846>>Are you into any terato outside of pokemon? If so, was pokemon your first interest or a later addition?Yes, but Pokemon is the most widespread by far. Other series are very hit or miss if I'd want to fuck/marry the monsters, but Pokemon it's a lot of them. Pokemon was probably the first time I wanted it, but I was really young when I realized it. I was, I forget if it was 7 or 8, I already knew broadly where babies come from, realized what was happening at the day care, then realized that meant it could be me in there. And then wanted to be in there. While he hasn't stayed my go to husband, Tyranitar will always have a place in my heart for being the first time I wanted to do vague, lewd things with a pokemon, even if I didn't know exactly, and mostly knew it just meant getting naked and kinda rubbing. >>What trainer class would you be in the Pokemon world? (Breeder, Swimmer, Psychic, Hiker, Ace trainer, Blackbelt, Fisher, etc.)If psychic powers are on the table, I'm getting them. Besides that, definitely a breeder. I want to have lots, learn cool stuff about them, and have lots of opportunities to sample them myself.>>What would you do if you one day woke up with your pokehusband in the real world?Do some safety and reality checks, then make sure he's doing alright, then, I dunno, start spoiling him rotten and teasing him until he takes me, if he's dense, after a while I'll probably just go for it.>>Do you imagine your pokehusband to be similar to others in his species, or is he a special one?I mean, I always kinda imagine they're a LITTLE smarter than probably average. More dolphin+ across the board, intelligent enough to speak and understand speech, even if they lack the anatomy to actually speak, than raw wild animal. I don't have the same expectation of random pokemon, and it's not even a requirement to, y'know, taste them. But it is required for having a relationship.Besides that, normal
>>56896846>>What's a question you would like to ask others with the same pokehusband/insertmon as you?Just off the Lopunny stuff from the last thread, what's your individual set of appeals for Lopunny?It's fascinating to see such a different perception of a pokemon that all results in liking it
>>56897503I mean, I said it last time, but I'll repeat it in case this goes anywhere, I like gushing over my crushes. I like the idea of a cute guy that can kinda blend in and do girly stuff with me. Kinda, publicly a galpal, but he's undeniably a guy otherwise. That's an important aspect of it, I think. It's not like some other "feminine" pokemon like Gardevoir, where I kinda can't imagine a male acting like a male. That can be sweet in its own way, but Lopunny, I get this impression of a sporty, if cute guy, and the idea of looking like two girls out and about, when he's fucking me often is exciting to me.
>>56896846>Are you into any terato outside of pokemon? If so, was pokemon your first interest or a later addition?not really, pokemon was formative for me so its stuck with me this whole time. >What trainer class would you be in the Pokemon world? (Breeder, Swimmer, Psychic, Hiker, Ace trainer, Blackbelt, Fisher, etc.)probably a ranger, I've always loved pokemon rangers. or a contest hall regular, I love contest halls. >What would you do if you one day woke up with your pokehusband in the real world?my husband has his own island in Emerald so that's where I would want to be with him. I'm big into that sort of thing, like to think we have a tropical paradise island where we are left alone. I love birth island its such a cool place in emerald>Do you imagine your pokehusband to be similar to others in his species, or is he a special one?There's only two Deoxys and I'd like to be with them both. Like to imagine theyre both very protective of eachother but they'd have very different personalities. One is more anxious and the other more confident. they both took to me because I kept them safe from rayquaza.
>>56898024Basically it would just be nice to have a guy around who you can do some girly stuff without him being all "eww gay" or somehow gaining a taste for femdomshit. Like, just be normal about it.>GardevoirI honestly prefer Gallade for having the gentle knight aura.
>>56896846thank you for posting the op
I don't like how much of new Typh art has just been male gaze stuff wtf
>>56899740he looks like he fucks human women and would let them apply his mascara after hes done
>>56899740is your image an example of this? i'm often unsure what people really mean by it.
>>56898836>Like, just be normal about itEXACTLYJust doing stuff together without having to worry about weird reactions. Being a little metro or alternative is fine, great even, just, be normal about it.>GalladeHe feels a little aloof to me, but not exactly bad. I know there's sometimes a really fine between being serious but sensitive, and just being aloof that I know really works for some people. I tend to like a bit more outgoing and open types.The amount of personality projection onto pokemon is so weird and cool, I think. One of the more fun things about this.
As much as I like the more porny stuff, I'm loving all of the more cozy stuff here. I've never really known how to search for it
>>56901781pixivs human/pokemon tag with the all ages setting is one of the best general feeds for yume stuff:https://www.pixiv.net/en/tags/%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%C3%97%E4%BA%BA%E9%96%93/artworks?mode=safegelbooru has some good hugging pics too:https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=pokemon_%28creature%29+1girl+hug+rating%3ageneral
>>56901872Oooh that's good, thank you so much!
>>56896846>What's a question you would like to ask others with the same pokehusband/insertmon as you?How do you like your serps? As much as the "canon" personality seems to be kinda haughty majestic, I rather enjoy a mischievous Serperior. And a flirtatious one, but even then, it's closer to playfulness with lewd or romantic topics than flirting for flirting's sake. >Do you imagine life as a pokemon beyond the romantic fantasy in any way?To be perfectly honest, I'm not big on romance. All my poke-fantasies are more in the day-to-day of a close relationship, stuff that would show up if we were simply close friends who share a bed. Like, less "fancy date night with wine" and more "hey let's head to our favorite diner for dinner, I promise not to laugh at you trying to eat hashbrowns without hands." I'm her partner pokemon.>Would you prefer to live with your wife in a more "human" or "feral" or "wild" setting?Human, for her comfort, though ideally someplace with a nearby forest or at least a park with decent greenery. Though, if rather than a wife, she was simply a budding interest I'm growing oddly attached to, I enjoy the scenario of being a feral snake just a bit past the treeline, to be ventured towards rather than merely crossed paths in human society.
>>56900180Actually no, what I meant is stuff like Typh "mommy". I guess male appeal would be a better word.That image is something I want more of.
>>56903497>pov shot>hazy focus>typhlosion loving gaze>offering berries to eat>one paw pushing a leg higher and towards stomach>your hand caressing his face
>>56900180>i'm often unsure what people really mean by it.Male gaze means a work focuses on the stereotypically "sexy" part of the female form, usually implying to the detriment of presenting the character as a person. It can apply outside of media as well. The most basic form would be the idea that a guy is looking at a girl's chest, not her face, and if translated into a work, the image or shot focusing on her boobs, maybe even clipping off the head entirely. In a show or movie, an example would be like a shot of a girl starting at her hips, then slowly trailing up the rest of her body. In posing, this might translate into the girls taking somewhat strange movements, to maximize exposure. It's a thing that can be a bit hard to define, but once you start to notice it, it's everywhere. This can also take somewhat unique forms if a particular artist or creator has a specific fetish, like feet or pits.In the context of porn or porn adjacent material, it's kinda hard to single out since, showing and focusing on the sexy bits is kinda the pointLike, a great little microcosm and example.This >>56903606Has the clear focus on the girl's ass. It's front and center, there's the skindentation and strange pose she's in to facilitate the view, and it can be easy to entirely miss the face in the back on a first glance. I would say this is an image that has fairly strong male gaze.Counter >>56901559The place the eye is drawn, that's near front and center is Kris's face and expression. Her posture is one that's primarily communicating her contentment and relaxation, there's very little focus whatsoever on her boobs, hips, or butt. There is a bit on her legs, but whether that's just a factor of her outfit, or a bit more is uncertain, and the bare feet are a bit undetailed, implying they are more to show comfort than being shown off, though that could just be the artist not being that good at them. I would say this image has fairly minimal male gaze, if it has any at all.
>>56903797So basically just fanservice? I don’t get how that’s supposed to be bad
>>56903820Basically.It's more a matter of taste, but the arguments for it being bad mostly center around the dehumanizing qualities of it, specifically the de-emphasis of the face. That it being pervasive reinforces ideas of women not being "real" people, and being boobs with a human body attached, or what have you. Whether you agree with those or not are up to you, I guess. For me, I'm bi so I'm fine either way, but if you're not, it could be the equivalent of a guy getting uncomfortable about how much man ass they have to look at in this shot of porn
>>56903894>de-emphasis of the faceDoes that really happen though? I legit never see that. Even if you have ass or tits or whatever, if the girl’s face isn’t attractive, nobody is gonna like that or waifu the girlSometimes it’s kinda hidden for specific shots because out of frame/implied stuff can be hot, but that always relies on you already knowing what the girl’s face looks like, and usually done in a way where is absence is actually an indirect emphasis on itAlso, you said that yourself in your previous post, but porn is porn, ofc if you look at porn you’re gonna see huge emphasis on sexual attributes because that’s what people look at porn for. So yeah you get oversized breasts, asses, dicks. Obviously if you look at porn of female characters they’re going to be thought for a male audience, while porn of male characters are gonna be for a female audience, resulting usually in the man/the woman (respectively) being a generic self insert. That’s why faceless men are so common in men-oriented porn doujins, because the authors know the readers aren’t here for the men
>>56903797yeah, i'm generally familiar with the formal use, it's the colloquial one that i sometimes don't keep up with. like the other anon said, maybe it's often used to just mean male-oriented in general. it's interesting, because i kind of grew up thinking the kris picture is a very bad "offender" due to the kawaii factor, and I would've been very ashamed for liking it when I was younger.>>56903940nta but i think there is probably some cultural and medium differences in how it plays out in practice. in anime, faces are heavily emphasized and often made to look consistently kind and inviting (or the opposite) for the viewer which can be dehumanizing in its own way. i think it's also just a general autistic preference since we tend to overly interpret more ambiguous expressions as hostile, and a lot of bishies do the same thing of course.>>56903820i don't think it's bad. it might be if there is a heavy bias towards it, but it's not really a political thread so i'd just take it as a preference thing.
>>56903940>That’s why faceless men are so common in men-oriented porn doujins, because the authors know the readers aren’t here for the menThis one is just my thoughts, but I'm actually pretty sure this is a funny case of that dehumanizing effect. The guys aren't just faceless because male readers aren't interested, they're faceless to make them less real, and thus less sexually intimidating to the reader/seen less as competition.Otherwise, yeah, it doesn't really apply to porn, since that's the point anyways. It's more when its deployed in non porn contexts that it gets named as such, even the example I highlighted is more porn coded than not, explocot or otherwise, so it's not exactly the perfect case, it was just something in the thread I could sorta use. Ultimately, whether or not you agree with the wider arguments of it, or find some point in between that works for you, it's a somewhat consistent set of principles you can use when analyzing works. It is an interesting note that the same principle, applied to male bodies doesn't have the same degree of scrutiny, as far as I know. Maybe innovations have been made, I'm a couple years out of learning this stuff and haven't stayed up to date or anything.
>>56904047>due to the kawaii factor,Honestly, now that you mention it, good point.I don't exactly have the best passive sense for this, since I like girls, too, and so some of it probably flies under the radar the same way it does for guys. Maybe.Much like there's not much on focus on male bodies, I don't think there's much on female visual consumption of female bodies either.
Cinderace (male) owes me (male) a rimjob
>>56903797Your >>56903606 example is from a female artist who self-inserts though...
>>56903894>>56903797eh. for me male gaze doesnt really have to do anything with dehumanization. it just means pictures that *only* cater to men. for example in nsfw its a focus on sex that.. feels repulsive in a way (and not because there happens to be an ass or titties cause i draw those myself). men when it comes to porn like drawing things that are just way more "gross" and it focuses less on how a character is feeling/emoting or interacting with others. its more about rendered close up shots of yellow cum splattering everywhere and a focus on her (always naked) body with nothing else while the male is just.. kinda there and god forbid you show his face or how good HES feeling when hes fucking. that last point is something im desperately missing sometimes.basically>only male pov>no face or like no focus on the males emotions or how they work>no good character interactions at all>intense focus on more gross or disgusting looking things like aside from being a meme i can tell this >>56903606 was drawn by a woman because the creatures (whos faces are also focus of the scene which tells us how they feel) are actually interacting with her and creating a scene that would make a woman blush if it was her. which is why this was appealing to her and she drew it. whats of note is that the ass is not *just* meant for a male viewer here (like is normally the case with regular fan service) but its meant for the male monsters in the art. it shows us that they get turned on by it (which is one of the reasons i like putting ass into my own yume art cause aside from wanting to draw it i just genuinely like knowing whats causing him to feel a certain way and him enjoying it..? thats hot.)
>>56904636Hey, I dunno the details of authorship, I was just trying to explain using on-hand materials. I never said I was all that good at it, and getting corrected is nice, and probably wouldn't have happened if I hadn't laid out what I know, y'know?
Imagine you can kissed by this fine duck
>>56904838Getting kissed
>>56904838Gross
>>56904636well, that's the thing i think. you can only go so far in applying structural analysis to individual works. the academic term (that the anon was using) wasn't really intended to distinguish male and female tastes, but about how female sexualization tends to work as an ever-present fixed "gaze" that makes it very hard to depict her full humanity. like that anon said, in a trivial sense that image is a depiction that visually does just that, but that doesn't really mean the image is bad or that it can't cater to "female tastes", especially when the purpose is to give the viewer a sense of being desired by hot frog men.>>56904663i think this is a good example of what i mean, when we talk about "male gaze" we're really talking of different things. one of them is about what men and women tend to like in erotic or romantic depictions, the other about the consequences of how women are often depicted in longer medium like film. what's unfortunate, i think, is how the moral implications of one melts together with the other and causes a lot of shame for women whenever their taste doesn't follow what's expected of them to like or not.>>56904217i think it has more to do with cultural context and personal sensitivities, especially with things that are less overtly sexual. kawaii isn't very present in western media like it is in japanese, so western analysis usually skips or simplifies it. for me, i had no real female friends growing up and was picked on a lot for my interests, so i became hyper aware of anything i did that was out of line. analysis helped me a lot to decouple my personal shame about these things from how and when and why they are actually bad.just like with the frog picture, the kris picture is a typical kawaii depiction that is in line with permissible female expression in a japanese context, but it's also just a picture of a girl who looks happy and safe and probably appeals to anyone who isn't used to feeling happy or safe.
>>56905092>personal sensitivitiesThat might be a big thing?I guess, in hindsight it makes sense.I see the frog one more in the light of thinking the girl is hot, and the Kris one more as inserting as her, and wanting to feel as good and relaxed as she looks. That maybe informed my perception along the lines of gaze? It's funny how this stuff works.
>>56896846do these threads get archived?
>>56904223MmmmMaybe it's just me, and I don't totally know why, but with only a handful of exceptions, I don't really enjoy the idea of oral from human size or bigger pokemon, only with smaller, cuter ones. Most of the exceptions are either snakes, or have a really weird mouth I'm curious about more than anything else.
>>56906109yes: https://arch.b4k.co/vp/search/text/pokeyume/type/op/you can also install the 4chan-x extension to read to read archives through the usual 4chan interface
>>56905838I love her Cinderace art so much, especially the porn
>>56906109Is you retarded ?
>>56904838I'm not sure how one kisses with a beak, exactly. But I'd give him a peck on the cheek.
>>56906218yes :(
>>56906177thank you so much
>>56906286Cute
>>56906207sauce?
>>56907128https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/84510386
>>56898024>lopunny, I get this impression of a sporty, if cute guy, this is the first time I've ever anyone describe Lopunny even remotely masculine but now that you mention it I actually sort of see it >>56899740The likely issue is many artists making Typh stuff now normally only "male gaze" stuff and are only doing the Typh stuff now because its trendy; some are just trying to catch up with the algorithms (sometimes you just have to play the game), while others are trolls only making it to add fuel to the Typhlosion rapist memes because they think Typhosion fans no longer able to like a pokemon without being seen as perverts and rapists is the funniest thing ever because they're spiteful cunts who have the humor of a retarded middle-schooler. >>56905092>one of them is about what men and women tend to like in erotic or romantic depictions, the other about the consequences of how women are often depicted in longer medium like film. ngl the majority of the time I've seen male gaze discussed its mostly bad faith arguments and bitter people seething that men dare have preferences, but your summary makes perfect of sense.
>>56906219well, birds regurgitate food for their partners as a kiss, so...
>>56907405page https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/85822590
>>56907461>ngl the majority of the time I've seen male gaze discussed its mostly bad faith arguments and bitter people seething that men dare have preferenceswas gonna add that i dont mind men having their own pictures or that i enjoy that art if it hits my likes cause yeahh dont wanna give off that vibe. everyone can have their likes and some get more art than others but that just means you gotta draw your own stuff if you want more of what you like yourself. at the end of the day its just pictures and sometimes male and female tastes cross anyway.
>>56907405>>56908299Wow her work is really good!
>>56908663YeahI'm aware of it as a concept and think it's interesting, but I don't really have any opinions on it as a sort of moral policing or whatever. I'm way more interested in alternative manifestations of similar things in people besides heterosexual men. What's gay male gaze? What's straight woman gaze? What does gaze look like on a frog man? And so on.
>>56908856the internet needs more pokemon x bride pictures
>>56908856That's adorable! Cinderace is really exemplary good as a human replacement. I love how it always looks so awestruck by its trainer. Adorable little face.>>56909009That too. The idea of marrying your partner despite the species is so romantic. Just officially showing your love to the world.
>>56909009I think this qualifies, but it's hard to tell without color.>>56903597Actually, anyone got the source on this? I couldn't find it, but for some reason I feel like this is a reference to a specific old /vp/ thread I remember somehow.https://archive.palanq.win/vp/thread/26523997/#26536317Shame it's from the period where all the images are fucking lost.Although on the general topic of "the internet needs more X pictures" and "that's cool but I want more pictures like this", you can always be the change you want to see. Unfortunately that involves effort and I think we all know how much we hate that. I'm no artist but I've got a ton of barely started stuff lying around, mostly amounts to notes and partial vague outlines. The thread activities are pretty decent for getting people to do something, but it could also be worth considering something to motivate more personal projects. Given how long these threads last a weekly thing probably isn't the best idea, but perhaps some sort of monthly expo of sorts could work. I'm reminded of /agdg/'s demo days. Unfortunately, as established, I'm all vague ideas no follow through so I'm probably not the person to ask for any more details.
