Pokémon Champions is a free to play online battle simulator released on April 8th for Switch 1/2 and mobile later on. It features ranked, casual and private battles for both singles and doubles, and will be used for VGC tournaments in 2026.>NewsMobile release possibly leaked for JuneFree Dragonite launch gift also includes 100 Quick Coupons (used to speed up recruitment)>Linkshttps://champions.pokemon.com/en-us/https://x.com/Pokemon_Champs (EN) https://x.com/Poke_Champ_jp (JP)Dex (so far): https://www.serebii.net/pokemonchampions/pokemon.shtmlQuick FAQ>Do I need my own Pokémon to play?No, the game features a recruitment system, but transferring from Home is recommended to save time and resources.>What makes the game so much more accessible than before?All aspects of a Pokémon are customizable with VP, a currency earned simply by playing the game. IVs are also removed.>Is there single player content?No.>What battle gimmicks are in?Only megas for now.>What's the starter pack?US$6.99 one time purchase for 50 training tickets (fully train for free), 30 quick coupons, 50 extra box space and the LGPE trainer music.>Is anything locked behind a paywall?So far everything gameplay relevant is also purchasable with VP.>Is the Switch 2 version enhanced?Yes, better visuals and 60fps
>>59143878This shit is reaching EoL by the end of the year.ILCA fucked up
They really need more items. Where’s cloak? Is mental herb in?
>>59144022>No Life Orb>No Assault Vest>No Choice specs or band>No Rocky Helmet>No Black Sludge>No Flame Orb
>>59143878Is the starter pack permanent?
>>59144066No av wtf
>>59144125Probably
>>59143878>30fps on switch 2 for no reason at all>playdoh modelsI'll wait for Champions 2
VGC niggers are stuck playing this dogshit game with this babified meta for at least a fucking year until it get some sort of updates, because lil timmy can't be introduced to too many things at once.
>>59144132This game is a total mess
>>59143878>>Is the Switch 2 version enhanced?>Yes, better visuals and 60fps
>>59144225This was pre-release, I swear they said it would be ready for launch, the pax demo had the patch
>>59144156Thank fuck that super useful item shell bell is in
>>59143878So far, I don't see anyone mentioning IV.Is IV also max when you visiting pokemon from home?
>>59144066>>59144156Weirdest balance patch ever.Now both Pros and Newbie have no idea to make a team work with these items.
>>59144271If this doesn’t have a patch soon to make it not turbo aids, i’ll be disappointed but not surprised
>>59143878For day 1, I expected multiple server issues so it's definitely a pleasant surprise everything is going smoothly.
>>59144152Based, fuck tourneyfags
tried wiping my switch since I had some NSPs installed in my sysnand but I got banned anyways so now I gotta wait for the mobile versionIn the meanwhile which pokemon should I be catching on GO and transferring to home? I already have eternal Floette
>>59144471Don't bother. This shit will be shut down by month's end. They vibecoded it with some kind of last gen AI and some flipped assets so it's not like they put any time or money investment to it
What's the best early Trick Room team? So far I have>Hetterene>Mimikyu>Torkoal>Mudsdale>Scovillain>Maushold
>>59143878la creatura...............
>>59143878>Not a single Paradox PokemonNani the fuck?
When i send some pokemons from home it said the state they are in determines their strength in champions. What does that even mean? I thoughy IVs and stuff weren’t in this game.
>>59144225It’s 60 fps but the human eye can only see 20-30 depending on the amount of objects rendered so you perceive it that way
>>59144156THANK GOD LIGHT BALL IS INPikachads we won
>>59144066Just like Gen 2
>>59144593At least gen 2 has StantlerIs my boy in this shitty game?
>>59144585It means that they aren't gotcha slop like you get from the ranch. What you send is what you get.
>>59144597No. This is what's currently in the game. Presumably we'll get more next season.
>>59144588
>>59144585The first ever time you send them, that determines their moves and nature (IDK about EVs). From that point on, it’s whatever moves and nature was set in Champions for that pokedex number.
I don't have a switch so can't play yet. What are people's impressions so far on how easy it would be to get all the pokemon you want? Are you going to need to be a whale if you want to play a lot of varied teams
>>59144560I wanna have sex with this hag. If she's naked I don't have to notice the tranny colors.
So tired of the cat. Every match here comes fake out double attack drop that I have to gameplan for
>>59144066OhOh this meta is just Super Stall Bros isn't it?
sure thing unc
>>59144066UhhhBoots and lefties every time then I guess?
>>59144625Do you have home?Easy peasy.You don't have a dedicated home dex?Be patient or pay up(dont pay this app is an unfinished joke)
This guy is grooming our trainer isn’t he
>>59144625From what I gather, HOME visit does not use up your 30 box slots, so if you have a living dex or at least a sizable roster on home, dumping them en masse is very easy.
>>59144638Boots isn’t in game eitherAlso>ignoring item clause>running boots everFirst day at VGC?
>>59144628Run Empoleon + Pelliper raincore to get free boosts and drown the fireshitters
>>59144641Pretty sure he groomed this boy too
>>59144628Welcome to the best pokemon ever made
>>59144610>the fucking monkey trio is inI am absolutely against the dex culling but those faggots deserve to be culled
Innards out is fiendish
>>59144156I don't think I would've known what to do with myself without king's rock and brightpowder! Thanks game freak!No but seriously, they toned down variance in other aspects of the game, so why in the fuck are those in if they were cutting items?
https://x.com/hula9625/status/2041803884155548018Ninetails is fucking dead
>>59144718Because evasion and flinching is kino
>>59144718Kings rock for maus cunts. Now I know why those nazi cats put them in camps
How much VP do you get from battling and how grindy is it to buy all the items? I'm not buying a battle pass or reactivating Home if this shit is a chore.
>>59143878What the fuck do I do once I fill up my 30-pokemon box? I refuse to pay a subscription for this slop.
how good are they?
I'm waiting for mobile to start playing.How many battle stages there are? I saw the neon one and the glass panel one. Are there more?Can you choose them or are they random? Battle music you can pick at your own will, right?
>>59144766You get a ton from tutorials, “missions” and other random shit. You might not end up with the exact team you want due to rolling random mons, but beyond that, it’s pretty easy. You get like 200-500 (guessing on the top end) points per battleLinking home is very easy but has some very stupid bugs that should be fixed in a day or so
>>59144773
>>59144770You get +5 slots every time you reach a new Ball rankThe $7 starter pack is a one-time purchase that gives you 50 slotsPokemon transferred from Home don't take up slotsYou can release Pokemon to free up room
>>59144677kill all rotoms
>>59144677This fiveheaded bitch looks retarded whys her face smashed together
This shit makes me dread the future of competitive Pokemon.
I want an ice rape snow mega frosslass team but I have no idea what I’m doingmega frosslassgreninjaninetalesstarmie maybe?zero clue what else or what items but I guess hyper offense
>>59144800Looks like a Kieran in dress.Some people are really into that.
>>59144785Look man, I'm just a normal trainer don't lump me in with those poke fuckers
>>59144803competitive is dead already, how can this ruin it further?
sex with Tatora
They removed power up punch from Kenga
>>59144824Old news, only got it back in ZA
>>59144819How small is her dick?
>>59144803At least you get a pair of leftovers for free, it isn't that bad.
>no body press archaludonwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
>>59144824And body press from archduraludon.We know they hate fun.
>>59144827It's not in Champions at all for Kenga.
>>59144832NERF NERF NERF NERFin a few more years Pokemons wont be able to do moves outside of their typing to not confuse gen alphoid Jimmy
>>59144835Yeah, it didn’t have it in swsh. ZA is a meme game where parental bond doesn’t exist. Lots of move pool changes were specific for it. Everyone knew this before hand. Same for PLA
>>59144832good thing btw
>>59144846Please understand Smogon players are completely unaware of moveset nerfs because they just ignored them pre Home
>Is there single player content?>No.Lame but understandable. Are the characters just tutorials and glorified menu backgrounds?
>>59144781
>>59144860There’s cutscenes but I skipped them all
>>59144818There was a certain enjoyment to be had in the ludicrous power creep, now we have all the dex cuts and nerfs with none of the fun shit to make it tolerable. The easiest solution was to just make old/weaker stuff stronger.
give me a team please
can you transfer your pokemon back to home if you move them to this? or are they stuck there
I seriously wonder when the last time some of you played comp if you're shocked by any of these nerfs. is someone going to comment on the lack of toxic in the roster next?
>>59144891Yes, though it seems if you move them back they don’t get the new EVs if you retrained them. Dunno about marks if you care about that
>>59144891there's a send back to home button
why did they fill the roster with 90 percent useless mons and then 10 percent top tier broken cancer that everyone hates to play against?
>>59144893WHERE IS TOXIC HIPPO NOOOOOOOO
>>59144893I'm still annoyed at toxic because it was such a good tool.I'll always bring it up even if it's old news.I'm still pissed off that my land shark can't poison shit anymore.
>Get to Great Ball tier because of a disconnect from the opponent>They’d led with the cat and a dog against a Competitive Milotic>This is the eighth disconnect to happen this wayI love this snake so fucking much.
What's the limit on transfers if they don't take box space?
>>59144896It seems like you can only have one of any given pokemon? So even if you try to import two Gengars it will say the second one is the same as the first, as training data already exists for Gengar.IDK if that’s actually true but it’s what people are saying.
Gee sure glad I cant clear amulet and covert cloak my two starters so they reduce the intimidate and fakeout oppression
>>59144910Stop making me want to use milotic, I want to try to use frisk thyplosion because this is probably the only meta it will be good in.
>>59144914Retarded if trueOn par with the dragapult sash glitch
>>59144916Season 7 battle pass along with Mega Raichu X prease rook forward to it
vgcbros...
>>59144923It makes some sense if the way they intend to nickel and dime you is tax you for constant retraining rather than letting you build 5 Incineroars to pick from. What’s the Dragapult glitch?
>>59144916Have you considered Competitive Milotic? Or Competitive Empoleon?
This game is a stress test of how low effort a pokemon game can be made and still see massive ROI. >30 fps low res >models and animations from 2005>horrendous UI, font misplaced>battlepass and VP bullshit>nuked the dex>nuked staple items>new abilities suck>mechanics of evolution and swapping literally randomthere isn’t a good thing about this game. as a purely pvp battle sim it’s an objective failure and frankly embarrassing. but if it flops who cares they barely lose anything. if it succeeds now they know even this low of effort can pull in profit if you staple the pokemon name to its forehead.
wolfeyvgc told me this was GOTY, surely he wouldnt lie to the people..
>>59144933https://x.com/cayennevgc/status/2041773048781480404spread moves or maybe just darts since it’s special, procs your own sash if it makes the opponent go to sashhttps://x.com/cayennevgc/status/2041773048781480404
>>59144941its arguably worse than pokemon stadium and that was made 30 years ago
>>59144944All the prereleases were unironically a different game. The pax demo was 60fps. Hilarious
My mono-ice team is all in other than Darmanitan, so I'm happy enough. Just need light clay for aurora veil.
>its badi blame gyaru bulbasaur
>>59144950They haven’t released Switch 2 patch maybe they’re worried about server exploding from downloads or something?
>>59144947HahahahahahahahaRanjesh + Claude Opus is truly the hero modern programming deserves
>>59144944This game is literally FRAUDfe's livelihood. He HAS to slurp it no matter what, mistah merriku style.
>>59144961Who knows. It’s their fault for not specifying the patch wouldn’t be up at release because I sure as fuck expected it to be rolled in as an upgrade on release
try this cool trick to heal to fullhttps://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonChampions/s/ZW9Gowf0OB
the funny thing is even if this game was complete ass balance wise and competitively, 95 percent of pokemon fans couldnt even tell.
>>59144936Id run mienshao but of course its not in the game. Can't have the cats natural enemy
>>59144941Believe it or not, none of that is because it's low effort.It's because this is a port of an Android game.Everything is bottlenecked by the fact that this also has to run on budget smartphones, just like Pokemon Unite.
>>59144766I haven't spend any so far and I'm at 36k already after doing a bunch of battling.
nintendo doing a great job of still giving me 0 reasons to buy a switch 2
>>59144973It's gonna be great when we hit worlds and matches are decided on bugs.God, I hope one or two happen during finals.
>>59144961There is technically no release date for the Switch 2 patch, I think. It was talked about in press releases, and it's what was available at PAX, but I don't think it was ever explicitly said the Switch 2 patch released at launch.
>>59144973>Haze no longer reverts stat changes, but reverts time itselfkino
>>59144973HP is a stat working as intended
>>59144978>no daily VP limitPROVE IIIIIIIT
>>59144992Prove what? And why should there be a limit?
>>59144947Holy shit how can they fuck up so badly.
>>59144997entire game was vibe coded, they don’t care
My twitter feed is nothing but nips playing 3vs3 singles. Have yet to see one playing doubles.I will never understand why nips are so enamored with 3vs3 singles. I know they don't have Smogon culture and all but even so you'd think they would have navigated to doubles, but nope, they love their 3vs3 singles for whatever reason.
>>59145003more like jeet coded
>>59144919I’m already using my Frisk Typhlosion on the same team. Join me anon!
>>59144997Dragapult is a friendly mother and wants to share with everyone
>>59145005from my experience i think anyone outside of competitive circles will play singles.
>>5914500599.9% percent of all NPC battles starting from Gen 3 are single. Would most people try doubles if they weren't taught? This will always be VGC's biggest flaw next to Incineroar and Calyrex.
>>59145017They're also 6vs6 but GF refuses to let people play those online so ???
So is there a reason for Pikachu being there besides mascot privelege? Does it even get to hold a light ball?
>>59144996>Prove what?That you actually have 36k VP after a day>And why should there be a limit?Shitty live service GAAS mobileslop gacha games always put daily resource limits in place to keep you logging in every day and reduce degenerate farming strats.
>>59145017How I wish mainline games would give you the option to either play singles or doubles for trainer fights. The game throws double battle moves at you and you're basically forced to pass up on them cause they're useless in those 99% of the fights.
>>59145005Nips just love 3v3 singles. They did it for a very long time, even held a lot of offline tournaments. They also think the "20 types of Dragonite" meta and Zacian-Quagsire meta were pretty fun.
>>59145022Light ball is in it costs 1k VP and is the most expensive item along with scope lens. And yes it’s Pika privilege
>>59144901Because that's how gotcha slop works.
>>59145022Light ball is in, ye
>>59145022>So is there a reason for Pikachu being there besides mascot privelege?No.>Does it even get to hold a light ball?Yes.
>new free pokemon game>azur promelia in betamonster battle bros we won
Arcanine is fucking whooping ass for me. Arcanine, Sylveon, and Mega ttar
>>59145027From the shop window even cause I know you'd whine about some battle pass rewards otherwise. As I've said, I used 0 of them so far, so I only played with the starter mons.>Shitty live service GAAS mobileslop gacha games always put daily resource limits in place to keep you logging in every day and reduce degenerate farming strats.Never saw that in a gacha I played, but maybe I just picked my gacha well. Stamina systems to limit gameplay sure, but not any resource limits.
>ENTIRE dex at launch>full held item pool (maybe cut some stuff that literally doesn’t do anything)>new mega abilities on par with originals>all VP uses are cosmetic >multiple formats>private games allow any single/double modes, item filters, pokemon filters for custom formats>60 fps, 1080p, soulful animations on fan favorites but all mons general look alive and have personality man thank GOD pokemon did the bare minimum for the primary competitive format of their massive IP! I now have faith in ww being a good game!!
>>59145052Not him but Pokémon Unite is like that. You're capped by the points to earn for a battle pass every day. Of all the complaints I've seen with this game so far there hasn't been a whole lot about the monetization and currency.
>>59145059Leave the billion dollar company alone.
>>59144560I love her.
>>59145064>her
>>59145059I’m sad that we won’t be able to see any fun or creative mix up teams because they literally couldn’t be bothered to program in even 200 mons and only a handful items. fuck this live service nigger shit.
>>59145052Very nice. That actually gives me some hope. If you don't mind, how much of that was just from the starter mission dump of thousands of VP, versus "just from playing a bunch of battles"?>Never saw that in a gacha I played, but maybe I just picked my gacha wellI don't play pretty much any gacha (though I am told, by people that do, that it's very common) but I can tell you it's definitely true of Pokemon Go, they hard limit the shit out of your ability to farm stuff, plus a ton of diminishing returns on the stuff that's theoretically endlessly farmable, they put maximum payoff on "first of the day" stuff, etc.
>>59144560How could they look at this thing's face and think that looks good
>£138 per year for membership and pass
>>59145059>ENTIRE dex at launch>full held item pool (maybe cut some stuff that literally doesn’t do anything)>new mega abilities on par with originals>all VP uses are cosmetic>multiple formats>private games allow any single/double modes, item filters, pokemon filters for custom formats>60 fps, 1080p, soulful animations on fan favorites but all mons general look alive and have personalityWhat's so grievously depressing is I bet 6 trannies with access to Emerald Decomp Expansion could put this together in a month.
>>59143878Man, after playing this for a few hours I started to get the feeling Masaaki Hoshino was involved with this game. Turns out he's the director.
>>59144885Use arcanine but not as a lead
>>59144973>BITES ZA DASUTO!!!!
So much doomposting about this game.And I don’t care, I am having a blast and already bought the starter pack and battle pass for this season.
>>59144885Pelliper, M-Dnite (special attacker), Empoleon (or Feraligatr), Incelroar, the gay dolphin and Sneasler
>>59145093have you set up your second switch 2 account so you can get the battlepass again yet? literally twice the blast having
>>59145073>10k starting budget>10k for doing something at the beginning>2k from a starter mission>5k from weeklies so far (another 2k if I do 5 recruitments and another 2k for logging in 5 times)>2k for the first rank up reward>Another 2-3k from achievementsThat's as much as I remember from the top of my head. I have 13 wins so far and also a few losses.
>>59145093Yeah it’s fun but some of this feels like they forgot to push the final version, like the switch 2 patch not existing yet was previously playable
>>59145005singles is the truest essence of pokketo monusta
>>59145107Ok, so more than half of it is starter freebie shit but the accumulation rate seems tolerable.I'm trying to figure out how quickly it can be accumulated without ever spending it to actually train and recruit mons, I want to stockpile a huge amount before spending any time teambuilding so I don't have to think too hard about training costs.
>>59143878Did Tsareena get any notable changes to herself or any moves she can learn?
>>59145077They're probably doing it right now as we speak.
>>59144973KEKAROO!
>>59145005people avoid doubles because its 95% autistic tryhards
>>59145111There’s an argument for 6v6, but not 3v3 Dozo/Ting Lu fissue extravaganza
>>59145111This but unironically
>literally only one (1) box
>>59145119Trop King got boosted>>59145123Whatever you may think about vgc, bss is ten times worse. Never mind the JP ladder players on doubles are going to be the sweatiest stall players you’ve ever matched with
this game is incredibly fucking bad, even for Pokémon’s low low standards. I hope it flops to death.
>>59145119Trop Kick buffed to 85 BP :)No wide lens for Triple axel/High Jump Kick :(
>>59145135you get what you pay for
>>59145134>>59145136I am downloading the game right now. You fuckers better not be screwing with me!
>you have to buy Home to play the game, or else you can't collect pokemonwhat a shit premise. They are really trying to milk millennials aren't they
>>59145148home is free
>>59145077showdown trannies have been rocking those shitty gifs for over a decade, laughable that you think 6 of them could make something even half decent looking in a month
>>59145120For the life of me I can't figure out why Showdown looks like the left when it could look like the right. I understand it's basically just a spreadsheet with icons to most of the people playing, but Showdown is legitimately the ugliest fucking Pokemon fan project I have ever seen in my life and there are so goddamn many resources that provide free stylistically consistent assets for every single pokemon, form, move animation, text, icon, etc., in the game for MULTIPLE different generations. What the hell are we doing mixing Gen 6 gif screenshots of 3D fights with static backward facing pngs?
Can you change a Pokemon's gender?
>>59145160forgot my fucking picStill, just why
>>59143878https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DeXjzohTUdKNERu6dsHsnznneva8MDJjglI3lqDLgm4/
Kleavor or Araquanid?
I checked in on the stream last night of the one pokemon content creator I actually like (haydunn) and after the tutorial hesaw the available dex and just closed the game. What a shit show.
>>59145168Araquanid is way better Kleavor is bad
>>59145160>>59145165it’s terminal autism. they would have ASCII with playdough and strobe lights and still be happy with it.
>win every 50/50 decision in a battle i have complete control over>predict every switch and steal their set-up mon to a H-zoroark disguise>opponent has 1 mon left with a broken focus sash and i have extremespeed to win>get crit into die by sandstorm range by the mon ahead of it who got one shotthis series isn't for me and I'm glad I've realized that day 1
>>59145168that’s a rough initial line up. I sort of assumed we all started with a couple of ubers lmao. like it was tough for me to settle on ttar with mine.
Mengar hasn’t really been doing it for me. Any recommendations on what to replace it with? Rest of the team is Hisuian Typhlosion (Charcoal), Machamp (Rawst), Dragonite (Lum), Milotic (Leftovers) and Whimsicott (Sash).
is anyone else noticing a lot of lag/performance issues? it feels like it's running at a constant like 20 fps for me on switch 2 in handheld mode (with boost on)
>>59145176I can understand being like "it's fine for what it is, it doesn't need to look good" when making it look good takes a lot of effort and that effort isn't your focus. But the effort is already done for you, you literally just have to copy and paste it. Other autists have already done the work you couldn't be bothered to do. You could have it in Gen III sprite style for mobile screen legibility OR Gen V sprite style for desktop aesthetics.
Is it okay if I just use my genned mons? At least that way I have ball drip + shiny + nature + EV spread.>Why should I recruit mons?
>>59145196There's a toggle for gen 5 sprites.
>>59145193i have both and it runs way better on switch 1 then switch 2 if you have that lying around
https://x.com/CayenneVGC/status/2041773048781480404?s=20this game is hilarious
>>59145205guess i'll charge it up and see if i experience the same thing
>>59145176weren't the first battle sims unironically played on IRC
>>59144511I’m using farigiraf and mega camerupt
>>59145207Kek they sure got a lot to hotfix before some tangible tournaments showing up
>>59145200I think that’s exactly what a lot of people have been doing. Everyone I’ve come across online has had teams of mostly shiny Pokemon, and usually with titles and/or colour-coordinated balls. The only people who don’t have shinies of certain Pokemon is because they probably don’t have the respective game(s). I never got or played SV so I’m keeping my eyes open for any of those Pokemon that are good (namely the bridge one), but I also got Palafin as my starter which was nice.
>>59143878desu I don't even think the biggest issue is the limited dex or items because I at least expected those to be a bit incomplete going (not even having every BASE GAME Z-A Mega is peak hackery though), it's the fact that the game, which was clearly designed for Switch 1 and Mobile first, isn't even 60fps on Switch 2. It's just objectively worse than the S2 version of SV for no reason other than what I can assume to be a rushed release, but for what fucking reason would they need to rush what's essentially just a COMPANION APP to the mainline series?
>>59145202Yeah which still makes it look like top instead of bottom. Still no visual consistency in the environment assets or UI, still using "lol flip the front sprite" when free back sprites exist in the style, still not using animated sprites when available, etcShowdown looks like ass
>>59145207>Haze glitch>This one>Female Gallade in one of the training missionsIs there anything else I’ve missed? Pic is for the people who made this game.
>>59145240>not even having every BASE GAME Z-A MegaGotta bait people into coming back after they drop this kusoge after a couple days.
>>59145237I mean it's very easy now. If you have the shiny charm + a foreign ditto, just catch your fav mon in a matching ball and breed with that 1/512 chance to get a shiny.Just get a used physical copy of Scarlet/Violet and play it on the side. Pokemon GO shines are also insanely easy, especially on community days.
>>59145245mega evolution/switch order is literally random
>>59145237It is really easy to get shinies in ZA and SV and PLA if you play the end game you don’t have to inject.
>>59145264I'm pretty sure it's based off who inputs first
>>59145200how do you gen them without getting banned?
>>59145267>>59145264But is it only random for aesthetic purposes? Has anyone actually seen a mega's ability activate before a switch (i.e. intimidate a mon, then that mon switches out, and no intimidate on the switch in)? Because the visual representation of a mega happening and the activation of the mega's ability are two different parts of the turn process.
>>59145237I have a shitton of Ball-Match comp-ready mons (Heavy Ball Shiny Archaludon I bred as a Duraludon in SwSh, Luxury Ball Shiny Palafin, Friend Ball Shiny Flutter Mane, etc.) and I haven't genned once. They've mad getting mons like this so easy in recent years that just playing for a while should mean you have a decent stockpile unless you're one of those "beat the campaign and then drop it" types which wouldn't be inclined to check out Champions anyhow
>>59145172I saw the same stream and it was pretty funny. He was clearly trying to hold on to hope during the mandatory shitty tutorial an and ugly presentation of the gameplay and menus, but when he saw the dex he cracked. Like wtf why would they do this? I don’t think the stream was even an hour long in total.
>>59145245Rocky helmet (not in the game) is in the shop picture
>>59145278Just legal stats. There are fucking trade bots on twitch. I don't want to promote this shit, because I know hardcore poke fans hate this, but genning is a thing for comp since forever.Check out Mitsuki or Johnny Canal on Twitch lol. Fully automated trade bots. + legality checks, you literally can't gen something illegal.
What's the difference between money mode and free mode? Do you get a lot more VP as you progress?
Do I build Garchomp as a physical or mixed attacker?
GULPhttps://x.com/i/status/2041773048781480404
>no landorus on launch what did they mean by this
>>59145321Generally a live service game will offer you limited stuffs to entice you to spend on top of more resources like VP, but seems like Champions is only locking out cosmetics on paywall
>>59145325physical obviously
is my boy clefairy in or only nigger clefable?
>>59145314Do you have to pay for these? I've seen someone say he was planning to wait for the mobile release, catch junk from Go, send that to Home and use trade bots to get actual proper Pokémon to send to Champions. But I don't know how much money you would actually have to spend on any of these steps.
>>59145172I don't know who this guy is but I'm watching this and it's really fucking funny to me>Gonna have to become a Minecraft streamer dudeI'm going to get so much joy out of watching Wolfey's steady mental decline trying to make 30 days of daily content for this disaster
can you drop ranks? lets say from great ball to poke ball? Or are you safe once you hit a new rank?
>>59145332The only NFE is the yellow rat and there's no Eviolite either
Why are people saying Home transfers don't use up your 30 slot box space when they clearly do
>>59145335its free try it here https://www.twitch.tv/johnnycanal
>>59145314I hate them because they’re for lazy retards. If you want to gen, do it yourself and at least learn a little. It’s like hacking a 3ds vs paying someone to do it for you. It’s the same but one bithers me more because the retard with the 3ds thinks its epic hax0r skills to do something basic and has no idea what even happenedThe bots do host raids and you can request a mon if you watch for like 5 minutes
>>59145335No they are free. But afaik those trade bots only work with ""normal"" games. Like Gen 8, Gen 9.. legend za. But Home trades are also a thing, but the trade bots only do this via switch games. But yea, you could catch trash in GO, transfer them to Home and do home trades. I could even trade you some shit... but this is 4chin, so I don't feel comfy hooking up with anyone here.
>>59145245>female Gallade Like the meme
>>59145353Home trades are generally discord only, I think because Home limits you to something like 10 a day
>>59145338mouse niggers it is then
>>59145282I’m more in the camp of ‘the last Pokemon game I bought was SM back in 2016 and only recently borrowed a friend’s copy of LA’. I did borrow my sister’s copy of Sword when Champions was initially announced last year and bred some comp mons if I ever got the itch to play it again (which I have), but otherwise I just injected the Gen 1 to 7 stuff I needed for Champions that I didn’t already have in SM, transferred it up to Home, and will recruit what I’m missing as needed in Champions.
>>59145352Anon-kun, I wasted multiple hundred hours on shinies and IV's. I had a hacked 3ds... and no I don't pay fags to gen stuff for me. I'm just sad because I sold my switch 2 and lost all of my shinies and pvp mons, because fucking pokemon doesn't support cloud saves... I almost cried when I got my Switch 2 and had to redo everything.
>>59145352i have a hacked 3ds, is there a way that i can easily use it to gen mons like downloading something from the shop or is it as complicated as the original hacking was
>>59145328It's time for healing
>>59145364sold my switch 1 to get a switch 2*
>get told again and again that Champions will be a viable alternative to Showdown and that surely Pokemons constant mix of greed and lazyness wont shine through in a live service title>>less pokemon than Stadium 2
>>59145366Google it
I wish palossand was good, and in...
>>59145379I had success using it in sv, but that game had a lot more room for experimentation and was fun (low bar)
>>59145379In showdown Palossand is in the PU tier as a good defensive check to a lot of the physical sweepers there.shits on Arcanine, shits on Heracross, theyre good
BASED BASED BASED
lmao why does every Arcanine have Scary Face
>same battle system as always>calculations which have been proven to have been done on something like the Gameboy>only have to render 1 room, 2 trainers, and max 4 pokemon on screen>no work had to be done on story or anything else>all 3D models for pokemon have already been made, very little resources should have been put into making the mons>no gimmick modes to program like gym leader teams or triple battles, just the same exact system ported from VGC>somehow runs like steaming dogshit How? How is this possible? What's causing this? No work had to be done on any part of the game, all of it is just the online battles from mainline.
>>59145352I mean modding a Switch is asking a lot from people without any intention to pirate or are paranoid of getting their console banned even if doing everything right. I have a modded Switch and can gen Pokémon just fine but the process of getting them to Champions would be impossible. I didn't pay for any of the games. I don't pay for online. I would 9000% get my Switch banned for ever going online because I never bothered setting up emunand. So someone in my boat realistically if I really HAD to play Champions would be get a second not modded Switch and buy the games to trade all my genned Pokémon from to then send to Home to Champions.
>>59145374>>59145172>"Bro why the fuck isn't Kakuna in this game!"Stop being performative you retards. The people bitching about this are the same ones that only use the same 10 ultra-completive meta mons anyway. I'm glad Champions cut the bloat, no one is fucking bringing magikarp to a competitive ranked match.
>>59144560wage cage
>>59145406Believe the hype: ILCA is THAT bad.
>>59145406if you ever wonder why unite runs far better than championsPokemon Unite's Devs: TiMi StudioPokemon Champion Devs : The Pokemon Company
>>59145410His pokemon is a Klefki because he's wearing a chastity cage
I'm so glad we don't have to roll for items. It could have been so bad
>>59145410The usual? One ticket for the battle stadium singles, coming right up
>>59145416Except when you try navigating the menus lol
>>59145430we've set a very low bar anon
>>59145408>cut the bloatYeah bloat like Amoonguss, Indeedee, Annihilape, Dondozo (prease ignoru trailer!), Tatsugiri, Baxcalibur, Salamence, Metagross, Rillaboom, and Ursaluna.Thank god they pared it down to the mons that are actually usable and worthwhile in comp like Simisage, Watchog, Emolga, Furfrou, Diggersby, and Galarian Stunfisk.
>>59143878Has anyone clarified whether the first tutorial fight is a online random player or a NPC?
>>59145353Yeah I looked into it more. Basically I gathered it's almost impossible for someone to do this with just Go and Home. You have to minimum own the Switch game that has the Pokémon you want in it and also pay for Switch online. So for example if you really wanted Castform for some reason you would need to own Brilliant Diamond. Realistically someone doing this purely mobile would have to play the game normally with the normal daily rental gacha shit and the constraints of box space and having to spend VP to build them. Though I guess if you can outright find the Pokémon you want in Go you can skip the gacha step even if you have to build it completely from scratch.
>>59145435The menus still being the worst I've ever had to experience all these after the initial release is something. I don't even know how you manage to fuck that up so badly in the first place, but then also not fix it? Truly astonishing work.
>>59145242The thing is that Showdown UI is functional. It shows a lot more information in a more concise manner and the playbase values that over cheap aesthetics.Like, I can see the community that just wants the game itself and nothing more to put greater priority in development in functions that enable more complexity over the game looking prettier
>>59145343Maybe they watched streamers that already paid for the membership. Your post answers a question I didn't ask though.
Why does it run so bad? Holy fuck they can't even get the basics right. Pokemon XY had higher fps count. What the fuck am I playing?
>>59145408Nigga they literally cut every single terrain setter from the game. That's an entire mechanic just in the bin
How do you have this rich diverse variety of items and pokemon and you dont put them in the game lol
>>59145463They want to monetize it later, bwo.
>>59145472dont post a whore holding my wife to shitpost
>>59145437They had to have genuine dogshit to pad out their pseudo gatcha system with recruiting. Can't have the player trying to decide between too many good pokemon!
Who did everyone recruit in their first non tutorial gacha pull? I got Sneasler.
>>59144944Versify chads wonfuck that hacker wolfyfuck all competitiivetotal campaign shitter victory
>garchompite hidden behind a tutorial Lmao
>>59145481Imposter Ditto for me. Should be useful in Singles to dissuade set up strategies.
can I pirate it yet?
>>59145447>greater priority in development in functions that enable more complexityIt is and always has been 1:1 with the battle system in-game, all the development team does is pick what to ban this month, they're not busily fixing calc edge cases every week.>It shows a lot more information in a more concise mannerMost modern UI-rework fangames let you press a button to see stat stages, field effect remaining turns, hazard layers, and more. Which is cleaner than the official UI which tucks that stuff in a secondary menu IIRC. All of the other information is just baked-in calc displays which arguably shouldn't exist since they aren't tournament legal but it would still be trivial to have another button that shows it if you really wanted it.There's still no excuse for the game looking like hot hogshit.
This game is fun, dare I say. I am deliberately against competitive strats, but I've been enjoying having casual battles with other shitters.
>>59145437>>59145458You dumbasses know they are gonna continuously add mons right?
>>59145516Even if you could why would you want to? That's like going out of your way to "pirate" Fortnite or any mobile gacha slop. There's absolutely nothing in the game without the online multi-player. If you had to play it "free" you wait for the mobile version.
>"wow Fairy Aura Light of Ruin seems really powerful">Floette is not in the gacha pool
>>59145524The game should just have a turn log that you can open up.
>>59145527Cool, I guess in a year when all of the launch momentum is long gone and the financials for the title are a smoking hole in the ground, the game will be playable. No way that's going to ruin all of the official tournaments being hosted exclusively on this service, aggressively burn all of the content creators who were eager to hitch their wagon to the title and promote it, and turn off a major chunk of curious casual players the game is designed to appeal to.Because, you know. Dondozo will be added in the fourth Battle Pass.
>>59145527Who knows when that will happen? If they can't even include stuff shown in a trailer, why should I have any optimism that I'll see them in 2026?
>opponent gets greedy and goes for +4 on Mega Scizor>Hit it with a crit Foul PlayFeels good
>>59145535The turn log in Showdown is fine, it's one of the few pieces of the UI I think is well put-together, it's the battle screen itself that looks like a wet shit.
>>59145447>the playbase values that over cheap aestheticsWe are talking about a playerbase that cries when the grass is too flat looking and every mon doesn't have completely new animations every gen. The fanbase definitely values aesthetics over anything else.>It shows a lot more information in a more concise mannerMore concise, maybe. More detailed? Hell no. You can check actual percentages, stages, field effects etc... Champions needs a lot of polish but the battle UI is the one area they nailed
>>59145442Just playing the game isn't that bad, I got 30k VP now, but I bought the starter pack. It's fine. But catching mons in GO is also cancer, I played the game a lot, but if you start from 0, you have to get so many candies to evolve your shit.
>>59145534That's probably just a teaser of what all legendaries are going to be like. They're going to force you to minimum catch it in Go.
>>59145437>Thank god they pared it down to the mons that are actually usable and worthwhile in comp like Simisage, Watchog, Emolga, Furfrou, Diggersby, and Galarian Stunfisk.It has a gacha system for good reason: it's made for phone retards.
>>59145549In Showdown's defense, not showing percentages was the correct choice because until Champions, the games didn't. One of the issues with Showdown generally is the ways it tries to be something other than a simulator for actual pokemon battles, with all sorts of information (and rulesets, though I recognize Smogon and Showdown are technically distinct) that has nothing to do with the official game.Champions showing HP percentage isn't a UI trick, it's a decision that GameFreak made, now that it's made Showdown can add it with two lines of code. They didn't before because it was not information you were given access to.
Are there any free goodies for launch? Might as well just download for an early bird accountAlso if you don't have anything to transfer over you're pretty much working with completely temporary gacha Pokemon that disappear after a certain period?
wtf is this thing? do they not understand that you need appealing characters to soothe the audience into spending money on your gacha? don't put this goblinoid on my menus
>>59145560A Dragonite.
>>59145560You can spend your in-game moneys to permanently recruit pokemon, otherwise they leave after a week. You can only keep 30 mons at a time unless you are a paypiggy.
>>59145560You can recruit pokemon permanently.
>>59145562look at the colours. seen them before? thats why ''she'' is ugly
>>59145548I was talking about for Champions.
>>59144914Cringe, fake, and gay. You can import multiples, however you can't have multiples on a team.
>>59145569and balding
>>59145537>Cool, I guess in a year when all of the launch momentum is long goneIt's Pokemon, the momentum is never gone genius. You can still hop on SV and find more people playing than most AAA games that are just released. And considering this is meant to be the main competitive game it'll be relevant for years.>financials for the title are a smoking hole in the groundAre you fresh from out of a coma or some shit? GF could shit in a box, put "Pokemon" on it and make millions. The IP is a infinite money glitch at this point. Look at fucking Pocket, it's watered down bullshit that does nothing but reuse assets and it brings in hundreds of millions a month.SV was abysmal dogshit at launch and is an all-time best selling game.>aggressively burn all of the content creators who were eager to hitch their wagon to the title and promote itPokemon hasn't had good content creators in over a decade, every single one of them is a drama baiting retard that performatively hates everything because they realize hating Pokemon gives them more clicks than actually playing the games.>Because, you know. Dondozo will be added in the fourth Battle Pass.Yea, and people will still play it and be hyped for it, deal with it
>>59145562They really wanted that goblin front and center whenever you boot up the game.
>>59145568>>59145567Oh that's fine then I guess, guess I'll download and see how this works
>>59145534>Haven't bothered getting Eternal Floette on ZA>Check how to get it>Fifteen (15) ZA RoyalesFuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
>>59145442There are Replica Teams, people can create teams and share the ID. So don't worry.
>>59145408I didn’t realize metagross and salamance were bloat
>>59145570Yeah. I was agreeing that it's something about Showdown's interface I actually like. The fact that everyone brings a notebook to VGC tournaments is kind of crazy, the game is played on computers what are we doing.
>>59145575Pokemon games sell tens of millions. VGC at best only gets tens of thousands of players. Let's bump it up to 100k daily unique users to be generous, that's still 1% of the total number of people who play competitive Pokemon. That's pitiful.
>>59145562She's a cutie patootie
>>59144947>>59144973Friendly reminder that Iwata was able to single-handedly analyze and reverse-engineer RBY's battle logic for Pokemon Stadium with no documentation, in a week, without introducing any new bugs
>>59145591literally the ugliest most unnapealing character design of all time but it could be a jpg of car crash gore and you'd say it's cute if it was technically a "female" character
>>59145575>You can still hop on SV and find more people playing than most AAA games that are just releasedNot to mention this one is free, will be available on mobile and uses the usual gacha tricks to get engagement. And each update will change the game more deeply than seasons do in the main games.
>>59145550Realistically I think a lot of people that get brought in from purely the mobile side are just going to have to deal with just playing the game as is. Which I wonder how much of an appeal this would have for a bus ride or lunch break kind of player.Assuming you play purely F2P 30 Pokémon isn't a whole lot to work with. You would just have to build the team that works and keep playing with that.
>>59145589Part of the goal of Champions is to make competitive more accessible to casuals so the amount of competitive players is very likely gonna increase exponentially.
>>59145575>GF could shit in a box, put "Pokemon" on it and make millions.People always say this like it matters. When your franchise routinely rakes in billions, making mere millions leads to your honorabu seppuku in the C-Suite of TCPI.>You can still hop on SV and find more people playing than most AAA gamesNot true of Sword and Shield. Not true of USUM. The player base moves on to whatever's new. This is a side-game. If it lacks momentum, the player base stays on SV until Wind and Waves comes out and this dies.>this is meant to be the main competitive game it'll be relevant for yearsVGC's performance as an esport is absolutely shameful and everyone knows it. Worlds gets more people playing TCG than VGC by a factor of like 5, despite Pokemon being the biggest video game franchise in the history of the planet. They recognized that they were squandering the potential to be Fortnite or League of Legends and make that kind of money. Champions was SUPPOSED to popularize and legitimize VGC and convert casual fans.Is it doing that? Do you think this is what it looks like when their attempt to get Charizard-collecting casuals to care about their esport is succeeding?
>>59145599They're doing a shit job at that.
>>59144511meowtistic for prankster psyterrain next to hatterene, as temu indeedee
I have been playing around moved/strats that mons don't even have available now.
>>59145597I got +5 slots for ranking up, I'm assuming I'll get that again at least a couple times.
i just want to build an awful stall team that does nothing but waste the opponent's time...
>usually use only bug types in everything>not much variety to choose fromfuckuhhh what's a good actually competetive team i can gather 'mons for then bwos i've been out of competetive scenes for a while and the limited 'mon pool makes things tricky
>>59145605>despite Pokemon being the biggest video game franchise in the history of the planetIt's not even close when you just factor in video games. Pokemon makes the bulk of its money from overpriced merchandise.
>Finally do recruitment>Shiny Whimsicott>Also marked PelipperI don't know how lucky I am with that exactly, but I take it.
>>59145447Showdown is old as all hell for one thing, its a successor to something that existed in around gen4. It was built for cheap PCs from the early 2000s.
>>59145612wait for the bug event where they add surskit and burmy
>>59144642>HOME visit does not use up your 30 box slotsWait, really? Holy shit that's a huge deal
>>59145605>Is it doing that? Do you think this is what it looks like when their attempt to get Charizard-collecting casuals to care about their esport is succeeding?The terminally online English Pokemon fanbase will complain about literally anything and everything because TPC doesn’t support their desired format (6v6) and design philosophy for the game (anything ever released in any gen legal), and this has been in overdrive since Gen 8 made it impossible to try and play that way
>>59145364i remember you slut. you did it at best buy
>>59145364>I almost cried when I got my Switch 2
>>59145587It's spelled Salamence
>>59145617>Shiny Whimsicott
>>59145599not with this shitty game its not
>>59145622No someone else later in the thread debunked this.>>59145343>>59145573In the in game screenshot you can clearly see Pokémon that would have been physically impossible to collect in this short period through the in game method and they take up box space.
>>59145636so did i, but only because i looked at the games lineup
>>59145644the pokemon franchise has never released a "good" game
>>59145650Quality is relative. This game is of lower quality than other Pokemon games.
>>59145650yes they did, maybe you just werent born then
>>59145614>It's not even close when you just factor in video gamesI stand corrected. It's fourth place behind Mario, Tetris, and COD. Doesn't really change the point that Pokemon is a franchise that can ship 500 million lifetime units, but 1,400 people at a VGC tournament is the largest in its history. Meanwhile SF gets 4,200 at EVO off 56 million lifetime units. 4x the engagement for 0.1x the total playerbase.And that's just EVO, I can't even figure out how to read the engagement numbers for an actual esport like League, because they're so massive you have to be part of a qualifying team to even participate in major tournaments to begin with, you can't just be a random asshole who signed up.
>>59145364Anon you can generate any pokemon from Gen 1-5 still to this day and you never had to pay anyone
>>59145652if i was a child then i would be the actual target audience for these games and enjoy them
Pretty much every match I bring pelliper, archaludon, mmeganium, dragonite. Am I the problem
>>59145644Pocket unironically has less content (even now) and launched worse and its been a mega success. If you think Champions is gonna fail I have a slowpoke tail to sell you.
>>59145569utterly and completely mindbroken. how the fuck else would anyone notice that
>>59145659You can generate any Pokemon for any game. The only gen where you can't easily transfer it to an official storage medium is 9, and that's only because it requires a hacked Switch.
>>59145659i need a sd card reader to put it on my pc though
>>59145625I don't give a fuck about 6v6 (except to think it's really silly not to include it for custom lobbies because obviously people want it for all sorts of stuff) but you'd have to be out of your mind to think this game doesn't utterly destroy VGC.Completely removing choice items is insane. Half of the most interesting item picks in the game are also gone (loaded dice, clear amulet, covert cloak, the policies, assault vest). They removed all terrain setters. They removed half of the most well-understood meta picks, but still left Incineroar so don't you dare tell me it's because they wanted to shake up the meta. Everything that makes an interesting duo core (Ape Maus, Dozo Giri, Indeedee Rouge) is completely dead, you'll get standalone mons firing 20% type item boosted moves at each other and one mega per team and you'll like it.Oh and also we're not actually including all the new megas, we know how excited you were to try them so we decided that would be a bad idea. Here's Pansage!
>pokemon gacha isn't going to sell because of 40 year olds who make a living out of playing rock paper scissors competitivelydelulu
>>59145672Then buy one, they're like a dollar.
>>59145667I don't think that's comparable, Pockets is just the hard drug of pack openings with the game aspect as a secondary thought for most people, here there's nothing to do but play.
>>59145605>the player base stays on SV until Wind and Waves comes outat which point SV will drop support. And when WW doesn't have traditional battles, everyone will have to move to Champions. That's the entire point
>>59145651>>59145652Skeleton here, the only reason you think old Pokemon games were good is because you were a child. The games were never top of the line in any metric, but being a child made them seem amazing. That same effect is at play here, as an adult you think recent Pokemon games are shit because you have outgrew them and have more experience and expectations and less time to waste on dumb shit. But for children who can be entertained with a pair of jingling keys and strobe lights, SwSh, SV, Champions etc... are the greatest things on Earth. And those kids will grow up saying Gen 8/9/10 was peak Pokemon and gens 11/12/13 are dogshit, because that is how nostalgia works
>>59145681Pocket also offers a different game to regular TCG. Champions is just VGC, which already exists on the same hardware you use to play Champions.
>>59145653SV sold 27m copies.The player engagement rate is much closer than your makig it out to be.
>>59145677If you don't care about competitive and you want to play a free phone pokemon gacha, you have Go right there. Pokemon Go, which generates $500 million every fucking year, which this game is trying to compete with for the attention of the fandom.It doesn't make sense to make the battling boring and gay. If you didn't care about the battling you'd never even glance at Champions.
>>59145673Like others have said that shit is gonna be added via dripfeed. Is it shitty? Yes. But this is literally how all live service games work. Come back in the summer when the mobile version drops, most of this shit will be added by then. My guess is we won't have a "full" version of the game until right before Wind and Waves drops, because that way they have enough "content" to release up until gen 10
Three questions.1. Do I seriously need to shelve 60 dollars to buy Violet and get a serious roster?2. What seems the new official roster they are gunning for 1v1 with 3 mons or just standard VGC?3. Does the game have some kind.of in built tournament function? Like could I qualify to big tournaments by playing online?
>>59143878PoS game, Ive already deleted this garbage
Do I need to pay for Nintendo Online to play PvP? All searches just tell me I can play solo.
>>59145673Based observer
>>59145701It's going to be on mobile too so no it's like Unite
>>59144066they're going to add all that slop eventually. the entire point is to do content roll outs
>>59145701There's no solo, and you don't need Online.
>>59144860Glorified Menu screens, what a fucking waste of characters
>>59145701>Do I need Nintendo Online to play this game on a Nintendo device online
>>59145686>[thing] was only good because you were a childI imagine the kinds of people to make these posts are the type to jack it in the mirror while muttering about how smart they are
>>59145694>SV sold 27m copiesAnd SF6 sold 4m copies. I picked franchise lifetime sales across both, the delta is still the same. The SF6 2025 World Warrior circuit had 19,000 entrants across all regions.
>>59145694Did that piece of shit really sell 27M?
>>59145699It might actually be easier to EV train a roster in ZA, but the point remains the same
>>59145701F2P games don't need the subscription.
>i'm a pwofessional nuzlockel
>>59145717Wait they are not giving EVs for free? Are you fucking serious? So I can't switch moveset/nature/evs at will?Whats the fucking point of a competitive client.
>>591456991. No you can just recruit the good gen 9 mons. There aren't many pokemon in the game so your odds of getting gen 9 mons to appear for recruitment are quite high. But also you can make a good team without them.2. Both are playable, it just comes down to what you prefer. Japan is addicted to 3v3 singles and that's all they play. the west cares more about doubles. Both will likely be supported as official formats.3. You can create private tournaments so being able to qualify for big tournaments and stuff will likely be added at a later date. Lots of live service games do that now.
Can someone find a video of Mega evo happening before switches and then after switches?Is that something that happens?
>>59145712What do you get out of spreading misinfo like this? Why are you such a faggot.
>>59145726To monetize that which wasn't before.I am skeptical of all mobile games and Champions looked to me like a way to monetize VGC at the community's long-term expense.
>>59145726It is free but it costs the in game currency you have to earn by playing battles. You're basically paying for box space and faster earning of the in game currency if you do pay. Transferring from Home skips that.
>>591456991. Yeah you should probably have some kind of Pokemon game compatible with Home for easy team building2. IDK wtf you're saying but there's 3v3 singles and VGC3. No
>>59144560>pink tights>toes out>depressedunfortunately she's peak
>>59145714>jack it in the mirror while muttering about how smart they areHas nothing to do with being smart, you are just retarded and don't understand how time and aging work.
>>59145698>But this is literally how all live service games workThe problem is, this isn't just a live service game. It's positioning itself as a replacement to SV's competitive formats, despite having a fucking tenth of the content, depth, and mechanical complexity. Attempting to monetize it like Farmville only works if you can appeal to whales and casuals, this is supposed to be the thing that legitimizes VGC as an esport, and it's being so aggressive in its content treadmill that it's going to kill VGC, which was actually experiencing a meteoric rise in popularity across Gen 9.This game is, in a very real sense, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. It's insane how badly they're fucking it up, all in an attempt to ape a phone game format that will only be profitable if they can actually get a million daily players (which they can't because everyone who it's meant to appeal to hates the game).
I have only one question.Is my favourite Mega evo Mawile in the game? If so I might build for Trick Room. Loved that team in ORAS.
>>59145748Not at present, you’ll have to wait
>it's going to kill VGC
>>59145712>Greentext even though I'm a literal retard
If you use>Goldhengo>Incineroar>Terapagos>MisdreavousI will slow play and make your game as miserable as possible until you quit or commit to wasting 30 minutes of your life on one game because you deserve it.
>>59145748Mawile's not in, but if it makes you feel better, Ariados is.
>>59145699https://championships.pokemon.com/en-us/about?pillar=vgcI imagine you would just show up at one of these things with a phone or your Switch.
>>59145745>I am not smarter than everyone, everyone else is just le retard while I am le notexact same sentiment, genuis. way to prove my point. any other deep and original thoughts poking around in there?
>>59145767Incineroar is the only one of those pokemon that's even in the game. Also>Misdreavussurely you mean Flutter Mane (also not in the game)
>>59145746As others have said, the VGC player base is laughably small. Less than half of a half of a half a percent of SV players even play competitively. So to the overwhelming amount of Pokemon players Champions will be there first competitive pokemon experience and they literally have NO reference point to compare it to. The VGC players will bitch and moan but will still play it because their careers depend on it, they can't just "quit" unless they don't mind losing out on all their popularity and money. And even if they do quit, the amount of new blood Champions will attract more than makesup for it. For every old head who quits VGC a thousand casuals will be turned into VGC players
>>59145767Since you haven't played the game, almost everything you suggested with be very difficult to accomplish.
>>59145746you're leaving out the most important part, and why this game is actually great.If someone played SV and wanted to get into the competitive side of the game, he would need to grind for 20+ hours getting a perfect IV, EV trained mon, and then another 5 hours grinding for items, which is why most people just use Showdown.I downloaded champions last night and within the first hour I had transfered in some of my faveorite mons and had 2 competitive teams available with plenty of VP left over for whatever gets released in the coming months. This is the ease-of-use that VGC always was missing, and having it now is going to be a huge shakeup.
anyone having a blast?
>>59145769Ariados got a nice buff in First Impression being 100 damage.
>>59144610why the fuck is there a small handful of unevolved pokemon in there
>>59145777>Everyone elseNot everyone else, just you retard, just you. Stop assuming that everyone is as stupid as you. No one here is a genius, you are just really really dumb.
>>59145699>Like could I qualify to big tournaments by playing online?Literally just sign up, any random idiot can get in to a regional if they pay the entry fee and register in time. The only qualifying concept in VGC is Championship Points, where you have to either do well in certain online events and/or regional tournaments to earn them, and then Worlds qualification is based on how many CP you have.
>>59145780> the amount of new blood Champions will attract Nigga no one is getting into competitive with this shit
>>59145788for the future eviolite event
>>59145783>20 hours to breedAnon, I got a Mamoswine bred and trained in an hour. Stop lying to people.
I'm still upset about the performance and visuals.I remember when battle revolution came out it looked stunning even for a wii game. This game looks worse than Z-A and its meant to serve many years of competitive.
>>59145783In SV you can borrow a team perfectly tuned by someone with the right knowledge, it's harder to do in Champions.
NOT A DRILLNOT A DRILLUse the gift code "CHAMP10N" and the game gives you a free MachampNOT A DRILLNOT A DRILL
>>59145788pic related
>>59145804I don't want to waste a slot for that.
>>59145783It's braindead easy to breed Pokémon. All Champions does is remove excuses for those lazy faggots that gen Pokémon badly and get disqualified. If the Pokémon was illegitimate it wouldn't even be allowed into Home and would never make it to Champions.
>>59145803nobody wants to use somebody else's team, using your own mons is like the entire appeal of the franchise>>59145799walk me through the steps, what items did you use?
Downloading now. How does the game handle EVs for recruited Pokemon? Can I edit them whenever or will I have to recruit multiple of the same pokemon if I want them for different purposes?
>>59145783>If someone played SV and wanted to get into the competitive side of the game, he would need to grind for 20+ hours getting a perfect IV, EV trained mon, and then another 5 hours grinding for itemsFirst, it's not that bad at all anymore, second, 60% or more of players just PkHex that shit in anyway>within the first hour I had transfered in some of my faveorite mons and had 2 competitive teams available with plenty of VP left overHow many times do you think you'll be able to do that before the VP taxation bleeds you dry, anon. If it weren't for the VP concept, if the game actually worked like Showdown, it'd be more forgivable.This is the other half of the issue. There IS a subset of players who enjoy battling pokemon, but not enough to bother engaging with the training mechanics, which are very high-friction. Those players are on Showdown right now playing Randbats. What is the Champions value proposition for them? Congrats, you can use 1 in every 12 of your favorites to fight, please make sure you do your dailies to have enough to put moves on them?
>>59145821you exchange the pvp ladder currency to train them and swap moves
>No geniesShit meta, I want every team to share AT LEAST 4 pokemon to be playable.
>>59145821you can edit a pokemon's stats when you bring them into champions
>>59145818youve got to remember 99 percent of pokemon fans dont want to do that and have 0 clue about competitive pokemon, they think 'vgc' is a venereal disease. heck half of them only play pokemon go. theyll see free pokemon battle game and download it. the easier it is the better for the vast majorityeven they will be upset at 90 percent of the roster being cut though
>>59145821If you're going to use a same pokemon in different teams with very different sets then you're better off building multiples of it yes, otherwise you'll be using VPs each time you change.
>>59145821you technically save some VP for having your pokemon set up competitively in home, but it costs so little VP that its not a big deal
>>59145835>they think 'vgc' is a venereal diseaseit do be like dat doe
Looks like people have confirmed that if you lose 3 battles in a row the game matches you with actual bots. You can test this yourself. A dead giveaway is these bit teams always run Garchomp or Gengar, and they spam dumb shit like Scary Face and Night Shade. I tried intentionally losing to the bot and it just started swapping nonstop instead of attacking. This is the gayest form of SBM I've ever seen. They refuse to let anyone have a super low win rate.
>>59145835>90 percent of the roster being cutit's a gacha. it's a live-service game. the point is to drip-feed content that stimulates your reptilian brain and makes you want to keep playing so that you don't miss out on resources. the entire pokeslop franchise is based on analog versions of these marketing mechanics
>>59145835>youve got to remember 99 percent of pokemon fans dont want to do that and have 0 clue about competitive pokemonI think this is kind of disingenuous actually. Unless you apply the term "fan" broadly enough to encompass "anyone who can name 5 pokemon that aren't pikachu", that's not true. Players understand the basics of how the stats work, they understand concepts like stat distribution and natures.The real reason teambuilding friction sucks is not because it's hard to get a good pokemon. It's because it's hard to pick one. If you know what you want to build, getting it built is pretty easy and anyone who has even a mild interest in PVP can do it. What's hard for people is knowing what to build. The biggest hurdle to overcome is the mental one of picking good pokemon that work well together, understanding what stat spreads to give them, what items to give them, etc.This is why randbats is the most popular showdown format. This is why rental code teams outnumber bespoke teams on the SV ladder 5 to 1. This is why half of all tournaments use the same basic cores. Players want to pilot, not construct. Putting a resource tax on every stat change isn't going to help lubricate that inherent friction. It's less of a pain than bottle caps or nature mint collecting, but it's enough of a pain that it makes someone already gunshy not particularly interested in experimenting with it, for fear of permanently wasting a scarce resource they need to do their daily recruitment.
>>59145835Normalfags will probably just treat it as a daily pack opening like TCG Pocket rather than take the actual battling seriously.
>>59145853Among all the complaints this is the main issue for me, I dropped Unite very early because of that crap.
>>59145866Based
>>59145853this is a staple in phone games with multiplayer I guess.To keep engagement up they need to deploy sandbagging bots to boost your morale.
>>59145853>>59145868it stops happening at ultra ball
>>59145866You're not wrong. They would be looking forward to recruit a shiny on daily basis
>>59145874Big relief if it's true.
>>59145853master duel does this too. it's so the ultra shitters don't miss out on the lower tiers of the season rewards
So what can you actually pay for in this game? I haven't played since Sw/Sh and don't use Home. Can I just throw $5 and get a Pokemon or two?
>>59145866That's already what I'm basically planning on doing. Just gonna farm VP and collect mons. Especially knowing that I'm guaranteed wins by being matched with auto-lose bots at the bottom of the ladder. I'll start building a team for actual battling when I have a full living dex, all the available items, and 278k spare VP.
>>59145860NTA but id count anyone who bought and completed a pokemon game in gen 9 a fan. Thats probably 50m assuming the other guys 30m people bought s/v/ thing is real. How many people have played competitive pvp pokemon in the game rather than just pve, maybe 10%. And then maybe 10% of those knew what the fuck they were doing with regards to the meta. and then maybe 10% of those entered a online tournament. I mean you can see this from any tournament numbers vs the 50m number, its relatively irrelevant, the guy earlier that mentioned niche fighting games getting more numbers shows that too.
>>59145853If you lose 3 times in a row, it means you fucking suck and ought to change your team
How's the Pokemon Home transfer? Does the mon get brought over intact or do they jumble up the stats/moves? Haven't played the breeding autism game since SM but I might just pull out SwSh again just to make some usable Pokemon
>>59145892You pay for box space. Pokémon you get to pick one of 10 from a daily pull and spend in game currency to keep it permanently. Or you pay for the battle pass to earn exclusive cosmetics and the in game currency faster. So the actual collecting and building Pokémon part is all free.
>>59145800Don’t forget Genius Sonority got fucked by TPC cutting their development time down to about a third of what it should have been. Given the amount of spinoffs we got in the 2000s and, to a lesser extent, in the 2010s compared to nowadays I’m convinced people at GF sperged-out when they realised there were people out there who could do better jobs than they ever will be capable of doing.
>>59145897EVs, natures, nicknames, and most moves transfer over, its actually one of the better parts of the game. The HOME transfer is quite excellent, except theres a bug currently going around that has a chance of fucking up your transfer
>>59145853This is probably the worst part so far. It doesn't even need to be three losses, it happens before that too.>Tfw a bot uses the exact same team as the previous bot you gotYeah cool, thanks for the free win I guess. Hoping this really is only a lower tier issue.
>>59145892You don't need to throw money for a pokemon or two. You have the one time 7 bucks starter pack if you intend even a little bit to play in the long run, the $50 renewable annual membership if you're going to be hardcore and need a 1000+ pokemon slots, and the 10 bucks monthly battle passes if you want whatever cosmetics are in them.
>>59145804Already imported the one they gave away at 2016 events that was on the 2015 Senior winner’s team. Don’t need a second one. Is that event Machamp the only one with that ribbon? I.e. the purple version of the Colosseum / GoD Purification ribbon?
>>59145895Sure, but the reason for that isn't because they "don't understand". Pick a random person who completed a playthrough of SV and ask them "what's the point of a nature mint, even?" and they could handily explain to you that it lets you change your nature, which is useful for boosting stats you care about and reducing stats you don't care about. They don't understand the VGC meta because they don't play it, and that's the only reason to ever learn it. It's not an issue with the mechanics. The reason these people aren't playing online is not because>oh, I wanted to, but it would take me 30 hours to grind out the perfect IV IncineroarIt's because they have no idea where to begin in putting together a team that works, and even if they tried the online ladder, if they started losing too consistently they just quit and played something else.Champions isn't fixing the fundamental issue of>teambuilding is a daunting prospectExcept maybe arguably by the auto-team-build button.
>>59145893I have a hacked Switch so I'll just play the mobile version when that releases since I can ignore any risk getting banned or paying for any of the mainline games or Nintendo online subscription.
>>59145790Announcing>DUDER YOU ONLY LIKED THE GAMES YOU PLAYED AS A KID BECAUSE YOU WERE A KID DURRRRis acting like you came to some hyper-aware realization and must spread your knowledge with your less intelligent peons. Deflecting by insulting the person who called you out on your lukewarm, insta-win xitter "argument" does not make you any less obnoxious, and it certainly doesn't make you seem as smart as you were trying to come across. Formulate your own thoughts for once, and get over yourself
>arch>hippo>mimikyuliterally every team past great ballsuper awesome meta they made
>lost a game to fucking Quick ClawNothing discourages me more than playing this shit game than realizing we aren't using Smogon rules.
>>59145910Can confirm. Before quitting for the night I was on the verge of going from Great Ball 4 to Great Ball 3 and had rank-up matches where I’d lose to an actual person, then get paired with what was obviously a bot and win despite “misplays” I did (I.e. seeing if they were real or not) I’d still win. Another dead giveaway is they never mega their Pokemon.
>>59145924mad he doesn't get any respect for playing goo goo dada toddler games
if you don't understand the inherent mass appeal of having an official pokemon app on your phone vs typing out the pokemon showdown url on google and interacting with vgc losers you're simply delusional
>>59145926you don't know how metagames work? you're bitching about a meta that's not even a day old? are you such a little cuck bitch you can't adapt a single time to a team you're seeing often? huh?
Does this game have cross saves between phone and switch like Master Duel does? I can see myself playing this at work.
>>59145937thatd be a real argument if the counters actually existed in the game
>>59145946they nerfed Archaludon and added a dozen new megas to the game that have never been tested but they don't have the mon someone told you is "the counter" so instead of thinking for yourself you bitch on 4chancuck behavior
>>59145942Dude, the game isn't even out on phone yet.
>>59145929I almost had hope that Smogon would revisit some of their inane bans now that so much status has been nerfed into dust, but then people like you post and I realize that will never happen.
>>59145942it definitely will, but the phone app won't be out for another few months
>>59145967In his defense, maybe HE doesn't have the counter since you only get one fucking pokemon per day. Kinda sucks when you play 6 identical teams and none of the 7 mons you start with can handle them.
>>59145080why is Harada there?
>>59145977you can transfer mons directly from home lol, even if you're the ultimate f24 you can transfer mon from GO
>>59145971>t. Minimize baton pass spammer
Are they fucking serious with the flying Charizard model? How long has it been?
>>59145980who do you think helped make pokken????????????????????????
>>59145998>he thinks the problem with charizard's model was that it was in the airthe models for all 3 kanto starters are great in Champions
>>59145926>metafaggotry the gameTo the surprise of nobody ever
Should I stop using stealth rocks on a 3v3? I can't help but think that it isn't as useful as it is in 6v6
>>59145936I definitely don't see the mass appeal beyond its novelty phase.
>>59145245>Female Gallade in one of the training missionsomg xisters they did it!!!! the first trannymon!!!
>>59146048>the firstnewfag
>>59146004damn
If I use a mint on a pokemon in S/V, will Champions reflect that?
>>59146092It shouldn't, it doesn't change the nature.
From now on, I'll assume that any team with Pikachu on it is a bot team.
They really should have just given the game 6 months more of development and extended format changes to sv to compensate.
>>59146026It's strong, you just don't automatically put it on every team like 6v6, it depends more on the team
if bot matches are real, i want my time and feelings back because i definitely dont think im doing well against actual players
>>59146092The game seems to lock that version of the Pokemon's stats and moves on the first transfer so you probably should finalize everything before bringing it over
>>59146126Oh boy seems that I screwed up a few mins then.
>allow toxapex in>promote toxapex holding black sludge in the trailer>black sludge isn't in the gameWhat did they mean by this?
>>59146107lol I doubt 6 months would have made the game better
>>59146133the game is the black sludge
I'm new to gacha, I saw the amount of tickets to spawn a new roll goes up after using it consecutively, does that amount reset if you wait 24 hours for the free roll before using the tickets again? Also it's lame that using the tickets resets the time for the free roll.
>>59146133it's a live service game
Are people rage quitting? I hate being denied a win.
>>59146145>I saw the amount of tickets to spawn a new roll goes up after using it consecutivelyI don't think that's a thing, it's just 1 ticket per hour.
>>59146160I'm talking about the quick coupons, the first time I used it it asked for 13, second time it's asking for 22.
Is Alolan Ninetails in the game? I fucking love Aurora Veil.
>>59146164It asked for 13 because you were 13 hours from the next roll silly.
>>59146171Ohh, now I get it, thanks.
>Mogged by fucking No Man's Skyit's never been so over
>>59146151Always happened in both battle stadium formats and smogon desu
>>59146165Yes
>>59146191Based. Gonna build a snow team if I can.
I HATE INCINEROAR
when I import my pokemon from Home can I easily and immediately change their natures, EVs, and moves? I have a bunch of pokemon from ZA with improper EVs/natures I want to import, but I'm worried about permanently setting the data wrong for them if change the EVs is really expensive.
>>59146193You probably want mega Froslass then, having a second weather setter to switch in is really good
>>59146181how many pokemon does it have
>>59146208EV's are cheap to adjust. The best thing you can do is make sure it has the right moveset because each move is 250vp to change
>>59146208It’s cheap, but honestly I remember it being just as easy in ZA.If you have any with the correct spread or that you want to change first, just know the stats won’t update if you bring it in to champions, take it out, then put it back after changing them.
is there a training room where I can just battle the npc? I want to test my team comp idea without committing to a full online match
>>59146208The game throws enough VPs at you early to you do that, but if you have the resources in other games to change their EVs and moves you might as well do that first.
Yeah I can see why they didn't release the mobile version yet.
>>59146227I'd commit to this game if there were a competent single player mode + battle facilities hereDo the mayor + champion lady even do anything? Maybe they'll be the solo mode NPCs in the future
>>59146181Fucking Kek
>>59146181I don't think Sean Murray of all people can make fun a bad launch.
>>59146242>Do the mayor + champion lady even do anything?Kek no
>never got into showdown singles because main draw of battles for me is to showcase the pokemon I raised/bred which you can't do if you just create them>finally have a game where I can showcase my balltism, marks, ribbons, etc>all the pokemon I want to use aren't in the fucking gameSuffering
>>59146249it's still funny
How good is my bro Sandaconda in this thing?
>>59146266the virgin ball/mark/ribbon vs the chad shiny strikes again
>>59146181>released this right as nintendo lost the palworld patents and champions releasedpretty cheeky
Give me a team I can use mamoswine in. I assume mfroslass
>>59146266I use Showdown to make the teams I train in game to battle against my friends without worrying about the games they are playing.
Can't believe fucking sneasler is in from the start
>>59146242>solo modelmao
>>59146275Palworld isn't even relevant anymore thanks to that chinese pokemon knock off roco kingdom.It is funny to see the people who were going "palworld has 2million players on launch" with a weird smug aura turn around to see china's version has... 60 million players. Literal hydrogen bomb coughing baby scenario.
>>59146308>roco kingdomhow have i never heard of this
Has there ever been any mechanical significance in doubles when picking the empty spot vs the opponent's last remaining pokemon?Always wondered about that
>>59146317it hasnt come to global yet. chinese wall etc.theres a bunch of great monster battlers coming to global for free this year. roco kingdom and azure promelia just to name a couple
>first game against a human>it's vs a moody sub protect scovillainlmoa, at least my quick claw quick draw slowbro clutched it, love this dude
I am enjoying it so far... Palafinbros rise up
>3v3aaaaand dropped
>>59146367it's 4v4
>>59146190>>59146190new
So... there's no way to play this on an emulator, right? Gotta wait until they release it for android because buying a switch for a free game wouldn't be the soundest decision, but I'm THIS close to do it.
>Never played competitive mon but I enjoy videos about it>Haven't played a mainline game since Sun/Moon>Get Aggron and Whimsicott first day>Oh Whimsicott has Tailwind, Helping Hand, and Prankster. Hey, I know what that is>Look up Aggron, people say it would be good with Body Press>It gets Body Press now>Already tore through Pokeball rank with Iron Defense -> Tailwind -> Helping Hand -> Body Press>Up 4-0 half of my matchesI'm having fun but I expect to get torn apart soon.
Are the 5 Pokemon you get after the first free gacha randomized or does everyone get the same set? I got Whimsicott, Aggron, Drampa, Arcanine and Sylveon
>>59146422That's what I got too
>>59146434You picked Tyranitar too I assume? Saw a stream where that first gacha list was the exact same as what I got, so I'm guessing the rest of the team you get is based on that first choice
i haven't played a pokemon game since heartgold. i've always been interested in competitive pokemon so im excited for this game. how viable is it to just obtain pokemon from within champions without using pokemon home?
>>59146308Palworld will get another boost when 1.0 comes out
>>59143878>can't send accumulated points from Home to Champions as vpGAY
>>59146456Yeah I got Tyranitar.
should i get pokemon scarlet just to catch pokemon for this game? i really have no interest in the mainline games. and i don't want to play pokemon go either
>>59145525I'm running my mono-ice team and it's really funny whenever I actually win with it.
>>59146464>>59146502Its a grind either way. You may not get access to the comp team you want right away or you might have to ne a paypig if you want more options/storage/vp. SV/ZA + Home access also costs money, but those who already own those games and grinded out teams will have an advantage early on.
>yet another fucking talking Rotom device buddyI'm so sick of this thing
team for mega floette?
Pssssh use No Guard Entrainment while it's still allowed vp
who should i pick from the tutorial, charizard or tyranitar
It seems like I'm the only one naming my mons. Talk about lack of creativity.
would this game have been better if you could only obtain pokemon from within the game and not transfer from other games?
>>59146575It could be fun but most people would complain that team building is restricted by gacha
New >>59146604>>59146604
Is he wrong?
>>59146636Yes.
>>59146636"Free"
