DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>11373915Doom/Quake/Duke/Heretic/Hexen/Unreal/Sam/Half-Life/etcGameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source PortsAll other 90s FPS welcome~ Let's post like gentlemen ~FAQ/GENERAL GUIDEhttps://rentry.org/vrbinSO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Deus Ex)https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXzSame thing, in video format:https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXAhttps://youtu.be/DhOjleMqwdQhttps://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0== GAMES/RESOURCES ==DOOM Quickstart (IWADs etc): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8QUAKE Trilogy FAQ: https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhUPortaDOOM:https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases/DOOM Shovelware:https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xy-YDWytlEa2CS9rit-PUgcieh4MrGzRHALF-LIFE (GoldSrc) Anthology:https://mega.nz/file/GRUCGbAY#RhOiqxnf7UPOiXcJNbRh-prKIEVRhjJaEpAkt34lyZg4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):https://mega.nz/#F!3t8nzSIS!947kyMN6Z80f8HS7q2XlqAAssorted /vr/ shooters, mods, etc:https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Qhttps://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUAhttps://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac== INFO/LINKS ==OFFICIAL DOOM WIKIhttps://doomwiki.org/WHERE TO FIND WADSVanilla/Boom: https://doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/ZDoom: https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19/idgames: https://doomworld.com/idgames/MODDING RESOURCEShttps://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37https://realm667.com/== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==THREAD ARCHIVEShttps://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/"doom thread"/type/op/OUR WADS/MODShttps://rentry.org/vrdepotMAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLYhttps://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrBIMAGE/WAD DATABASEhttps://vrdoom.booru.org/https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/MULTIPLAYER SERVERSUS West: https://clovr.xyz/CA/US Midwest: https://macgu.fun/
=== CURRENT PROJECT ===/Vertex Relocation/ PHASE 2IWAD : Doom 2 | Format : BoomRULES AND CLAIMED SLOTS : https://pastebin.com/CrVTqGvrBETA V6 : https://files.catbox.moe/nvx5lr.wad=== NEWS ===[11-12] Classic Unreal games went freewarehttps://oldunreal.com/downloads/unreal/full-game-installers/https://oldunreal.com/downloads/unrealtournament/full-game-installers/[11-12] Pvt. Stone v10.5 update, adds hard modehttps://skelegant.itch.io/pvt-stone/devlog/823707[11-11] Kraflab quits development of DSDA source porthttps://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/vr/image/1731/33/1731332586741.png[11-10] Ironwail v0.8.0 releasedhttps://github.com/andrei-drexler/ironwail/releases/[11-6] Going Down: Turbo releasedhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/149336[11-5] You Have My Support releasedhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/149316[11-2] Yangshuo Invasion releasedhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/149122[11-2] Pina Colada 2 releasedhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/140427[11-1] Nightmare Logic IV releasedhttps://dr-cosmobyte.itch.io/nightmare-logic-iv[11-1] Realm of Chaos 2 releasedhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/125506[11-1] DMP2024: Quantity Over Quality releasedhttps://doomer.boards.net/post/65420/thread[10-31] Anon posts his collection of mapshttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/148815[10-31] Necromantic Thirst releasedhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/149103[10-29] Six Textures Jam for Quake releasedhttps://slipseer.com/index.php?resources/3.410[10-29] After Doom new map updatehttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/73475[10-26] Junk Food 4 releasedhttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/148999[10-24] Data Base for Quake 2 Remaster releasedhttps://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/database.zip=== PREVIOUS ===https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0TO SUBMIT NEWS, REPLY TO THIS POST (ideally with the [mm-dd] date bracket)
>>11383927>just realized we got at least eight years of archived news
>>11383927>Classic Unreal games went freeware>we are allowed to host this installer, which will download the original disc image for Unreal Gold from archive.org, extract the disc contents into a folder of your choiceIf someone will ever ask me to describe "wow it's fucking nothing" meme, I will show him this.
>>11384005Believe the site got permission from Epic to do that specifically, rather than hosting it themselves. A bit queer, but surprising they let anything of the sort happen considering Tencent Timmy wants to bury Unreal.
What are the best Heretic or Helen mods I should look into?
>>11383928> Why map for Quake when you could map for Q2, or HL, or Unreal?Because Quake has unique gothic aesthetic with nice gritty pixel textures? Q2, HL1 and Unreal didn't age as good as Quake, because their graphics is more bound to their era, while Quake graphics is more like legitimate stylistic choice that someone could invent even today, just because it looks good. Basically the same as Doom (unless you turn on texture filtering which immediately makes it outdated garbage).> Making a shitty Quake map is harder than making a shitty Doom map. Making a fancy Quake map is much easier than a fancy Doom mapInteresting take.>>11383931> Being fully 3D + having baked lightmaps adds a layer of potential tedium that can induce frustration and procrastination. Oh yes, I see.> It also doesn't help that actual map creation isn't 'normal' 3D, being that you're working with convex brush objects that have depth you have to account for rather than flat planes.Can't you just map in Blender though and export later, bake lightmaps and put some triggers and it's done?
If you had to recommend a single wad/megawad to a newcomer, what would it be? An easy one? One with a lot of unique content? Troll them with Italo Doom?
>>11384019D2TWID I think is a very good one.You should probably clarify though whether or not the newcomer was filtered by Plutonia or not.
>>11384012>mapping in blenderthat's a special kind of torure
>>11384012>Can't you just map in Blender though and export laterNot really, because you have to export to the .map format the map compiler expects and that uses brushes. Everything you model then has to either be a convex shape, be split into multiple convex shapes, or exported as a bunch of unworkable cones for every face. That last one might be fine for scenery objects like a statue, but forget about it for a whole map.Using Quake's textures in Blender is also pain due to having to export everything from WADs while also keeping WADs for the compiler. You also have to UV unwrap EVERYTHING (at this point you might as well go map for Halo) and keeping consistent pixel density is much harder than a real map editor.Basically, there would need to be entirely new tools made to enable painless plane-based editing for Quake and similar games. Something akin to Source 2 Hammer I suppose.
>>11384019>what would it beDOOM.WAD, then DOOM2.WAD, then TNT.WAD, then PLUTONIA.WADBefore that there's no point in playing custom content. Then, depending on their opinion and what they liked the most, I would give them either Eternal or AV or Scythe.
>>11384019Machete.You WILL get used to berserk punching.You WILL respect the blursphere.You WILL learn target prioritization.You WILL deal with evil marines and afrits.You WILL engage with slaughtermaps (eventually).It's got a really good difficulty curve, is what I mean. Some of the maps are also gorgeous and they flow beautifully. If the newcomer got filtered by Plutonia they can just play on HMP instead.TL;DR: Machete is Scythe 3 in my opinion.
>>11384027>>11384031I see. I've been mapping for my (potential) game in Blender, and even though working with geometry feels kinda productive, everything regarding UVs, texturing, texel density is so time consuming it's unreal.> plane-based editingWhat does this mean btw?
>>11384019master levels of course
>>11384059
>>11384058you are better use blender for complex prefabs that you plan to use several times, like statues, ornate colums and bridges or elements of there of, since they can be exported to Trenchboom and copypasted all over.Tears of the False God uses this techniqe extensively
>>11384080Makes sense. I'm starting to wonder if there's anything in this mapping tech I could repurpose for my own game. If mapping texel-consistent layout is fast in Trenchbroom I could possibly use that, export to Blender, do some unique geometry/detail there, and from there export to Godot or whatever.
>>11384087You can use Qodot to convert Quake map geometry to Godot's format. I.e., you can essentially export Trenchbroom maps to Godot's format. Although, Qodot is still in beta for Godot 4.https://qodotplugin.github.io/
>>11384101Amazing, thank you!It seems there were some changes and there is alternative project that is more active:https://github.com/QodotPlugin/Qodot/releaseshttps://github.com/func-godot
>>11384090Me in the middle
>>11384012>Q2, HL1 and Unreal didn't age as good as QuakeThis still looks great.
>>11384123> Some of Qodot Community members may have some questions about FuncGodot: Why a whole new plugin? Why the rebranding? Why not just update Qodot? What does the future of Qodot look like with the release of FuncGodot?> There was a strong desire to rewrite Qodot from the ground up, due to some longstanding internal issues with the build process and its maintainability. There were also some questionably designed implementations that relied on either misunderstood knowledge or assumptions in the Quake map format and how TrenchBroom works with it. We knew the rewrite would end up completely breaking people's projects, something we had managed to avoid with every Qodot update published. We were hitting a wall with Qodot's tech debt, but we didn't want to break people's projects. It's difficult to change gears when you're far along enough in a production.> Another problem we were having is the question of transferable administrative access to both the Qodot Discord Server and Qodot GitHub Organization. While we are all maintainers on the Qodot 4 Repository, we are limited in how we can serve and maintain the Qodot Community without this access and as such cannot make any guarantees on the persistence or maintenance of the Qodot social and code channels.> So the answer to us seemed to be to branch off. Out of respect for Qodot, to avoid confusion between the two surface-level-similar plugins and to embrace the pillar of map editor agnosticism, we decided to rebrand the extremely heavily modified fork of Qodot to FuncGodot.> So what does the future of Qodot look like? Well, the Qodot Team will be winding down on active maintenance. Don't expect new features unless they can be guaranteed non-breaking and within Qodot's scope. Bug fixes are welcome, but we will no longer be actively working on it. Qodot 4 2024.1 is likely to be the last AssetLib and Release version of Qodot, adding needed support for Version 8 of the TrenchBroom GameConfig.
>>11384130It's a nice vibe, but implementation ruins it for me: texture smoothing looks bad and geometry is extremely flat compared to Quake.
>>11384146Textures without the smoothing here clash pretty bad with the "detail" textures. The woodgrain in particular looks real nice with the "smoothin' on".I can't comment on the flatness, they both seemed pretty even on that front though Unreal probably has higher poly enemies?
>>11384171I think that's just smoothing masking texture problems. The texture itself looks a bit stretched imo? I'm not sure what makes it look messed up. But that's why it's worse without hiding it. Generate proper textures procedurally and you won't have to fix them.> I can't comment on the flatness, they both seemed pretty even on that front though Unreal probably has higher poly enemies?Enemies maybe. Geometry immediately looks way more flat on every screenshot. There is way more volume in every room in Quake. Hell, there is way more volyme in every room in modern Doom 2 maps. In Unreal, just like Half Life, it's all flat boxes, rarely you see 3d supports and all those kinds of wall/floor/ceiling 3d detail. Now the screenshot I attach is ofc unfair example because it's not from original maps, but this mindset with ornamental twisted surreal 3d shapes was present in original as well.
Playing through TNT after beating Doom 2 and so far as of map 8 I'm mostly confused.Some of the architecture is neat to look at but the traps are so far kind of lackluster, a few chaingunners or imps are not very terrifying, not to forget the arch-viles with no monsters to res.I knew going in that TNT was the shittier of the two megawads but this is impressively meh so far. At least the wad has a useful waterfall texture I used once.Also what the hell is up with this 10+ minute post timer? Who is spamming on /vr/ of all boards?
>>11384214It's a wad from 1996. Plutonia is the only exception in whole 90s, that uses monsters as chess pieces.
>>11384214TNT has a lot of ups and downs, MAP08 I think is one of the worst levels it has, while MAP09 is one of the best.The post timer was initially tried on like, /biz/, because they had a GARGANTUAN problem with pajeet bitcoin scammers spamming the board (to the point that everyone on the board wanted to rangeban India), then mods started doing it on a few more boards, and now all of them, because it works well apparently. 10 years ago I would have hated it, but it's honestly just not the same internet we're on anymore. The timer has done a lot to curtail senseless ragebait spam, because hopping IPs, instead of taking taking 10 seconds, now takes 15 minutes, so ban evading shitters can't work even close to as fast.
>>11384236>wanted to rangeban Indiashould have done that too
>>11384005The permission to keep it up extends to the discs on archive.orgOldUnreal announced that fact before they made their own installers, although yeah it's odd that Epic didn't give them permission to host those discs on their own site as well. Would just be a stab in the dark guessing why, although the easiest answer is that, given why the games were taken down in the first place, Epic is just that lazy at setting things up while simultaneously not wanting to give full keys to the community, so they wanna do the least possible to release the games while wanting the original version to technically be untouched where it's primarily hosted.
>>11384019I'd recommend Base Ganymede. Solid Doom action, not to hard on a beginner.
>>11384236It's funny in a sad way how certain boards seemingly have a spam problem from a specific region.I'll stick to TNT, not like I was going to drop it or anything but I'll keep going to see the good bits.I'll do plutonia again after but I do wonder if I might skip the master levels. For some reason every time I've tried them I never feel compelled to do them all.Maybe it's them not being a true megawad? Idk. I should probably do the Dr Sleep maps though.
>>11384280There's good stuff throughout TNT, but there's also mediocre and bad stuff too, so don't feel like you need to force yourself.For the Master Levels, they are mostly mediocre IMO, but Dr. Sleep and Kvernmo's maps are worth checking out (except Mephisto's Maosoleum, that map can go fuck itself).
>>11384190>I think that's just smoothing masking texture problems. The texture itself looks a bit stretched imo? I'm not sure what makes it look messed up.It might look more consistent if I could also "unfilter" the detailed textures, but at that point it becomes personal preference to me with "filtered vs. unfiltered". I think games look better with it on the closer they get to 2000.>Now the screenshot I attach is ofc unfair example because it's not from original mapsThat and comparing Unreal to custom Doom maps is a bit weird, not gonna lie, but it did inspire me to at least boot up some original Quake real quick and it's kind of been confirming how I've felt.
>find this the other dayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLxuku32ZDM>looks fun let's see what's up>GZDOOM has some problems to start up>weird but whatever>first thing that i see it's a high res PNG god damn it
>>11384326Boy, you've missed a lot of really funny shit.
>>11384328oh yeah, thanks to work i been out of loop
>>11384302I agree on this particular example. Still have a feeling Quake use 3d supports, columns and stuff like that way more, but really I have to replay Unreal and do a more thorough compare.
I've found a video that showcases what hell you need to go through if you want to map for Quake in Blender:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymaQ6u2R8dQ
BYOC could use less self insert avatars
>>11384462BYOC could use less of a lot, feels like most classes would be better off as standalone mods
>>11384012>Q2, HL1 and Unreal didn't age as good as Quake,You're thinking from a modern perspective, I was thinking from a period one. In 2998, why choose Q1 over Goldsource, Unreal, etc?. Textures can be easily stolen and reimplemented in another engine.A mapping community needs people to develop momentum to keep gaining new people, and Quake spent a long time having its community stolen by fancier engines.
>>11384512>In 29981998, even.
>>11384512> Textures can be easily stolen and reimplemented in another engine.Culture and conventions imposed by engines are different and lean to different styles of mapping and texturing. Some of those styles of very old games are received better than others even in 2024, and that says something. But I don't know or remember much about Goldsource and Unreal. For me Unreal is a game with fun ambient jungle music and epic system of upgrades to the base weapon, and I don't remember much more about it because I last played it as a kid somewhere in 2000-2002. Original Unreal Tournament though I played even recently and I consider it aged quite well, but for me it's all about nice futuristic layouts and capture the flag mode working really nice. In terms of texturing though I'm not sure about its style being anything special and it seems currently people mostly play with some kind of remastered textures and so on, something that can't be said about Doom or Quake where people deliberately choose to play with original textures and filtering off just because they enjoy it exactly that way.
>>11384341Here's some funny stuff>mod doesn't have difficulty levels but instead ups the monster health on higher difficulty which requires you to melee multiple monsters without berserk or chainsaw>mod seemingly has multiple playable characters, but the only difference between them is the different max hp>one of the characters is "sissy guy" which the author included as probably some of sort fetish>mod also has a sprite of nude, tortured John Romero in it's files (head is from Romero while the naked body is taken from gay porn)
What are we working on today, /DOOM/? gimme gimme
>>11384618I don't even play Doom, I just post here once a year.
>>11384624Momentous day! I have caught you, now make a WAD
>>11384360>Still have a feeling Quake use 3d supports, columns and stuff like that way more, but really I have to replay Unreal and do a more thorough compare.So far seems like something that will be down to the wire. I'm not really into splitting hairs that thin so I'm just happy with how they both hold up.If and when I'm feeling real thorough, I'd also go through Quake 2 and see how it compares between the two.
>>11384582yeah, i will delete that now
>>11384582>one of the characters is "sissy guy"that character also had the max hp of all selectable characters, so one could infer that the intention behind it was telling the player he's a sissy for picking up the easiest option, but I suppose the author refused to explain that part on the forum. or if he did explain, it was deleted?also to me it's still funny that the mod was incredibly bloated with 4k texture files and flac music, which was completely unnecessary
>>11384692He has not explained anything. His interactions with the community are like he's larping some official company henchman. Which is funny because he is just a creator of a shitty mod which has ai generated content and his fetishes included in it.
>>113846924k ai generated textures and flacs of royalty free muzak, which makes it even funnier. This should win a mockaward.
>>11384658Yeah, you can see this even on this screen, if Unreal was Quake, that church would have so many supports on it and it has zero. I mean, maybe they wouldn't be rusty metal, but something else, but I feel like being high on Doom & Quake immediately makes me want to extrude a shit ton geometry on the right.
>>11384658> I'd also go through Quake 2 and see how it compares between the two.This one is a bit more difficult to compare because Quake is 100% dark fantasy, Unreal is scifi + some fantasy, and Quake 2 is zero fantasy and all HR Gigerish scifi horror. The only thing in common is some rusty metal. Could as well compare with Half Life, which I already said I also consider quite too flat in terms of geometry. Half Life is also different story because I consider Half Life 2 and especially Black Mesa to perfectly capture all good there was in HL1 just do it way better. I enjoy most of HL2/Black Mesa/Alyx content and never look back to HL1. And it's completely different story with Doom series and Quake series. I consider Doom 3. Doom 2016/Eternal completely different games that do not capture old Doom games vibe at all, I also consider all Quakes to be completely different games with totally different vibe.
>>11384779>HR Gigerish scifi horror>Quake 2I wish. Then it wouldn't suck balls so much compared to the original. It's like 2% horror, 10% body horror, and like 1% Gigerish at best.
>>11384789I enjoy Quake 2's weapons more than Quake 1's.
>>11384789nta but it was what they were aiming for, they even have a level where you can see humans being processed and all that, it just kind of fall short of that due to aesthetic and lack of level details and what not
>>11384803I enjoy how they look, easily one of my most favorite weapon designs ever. But gameplay-wise they're mostly not very exciting to use.
>>11384582>nude John RomeroThis is news to me, Jesus fucking Christ.
>>11384767>Yeah, you can see this even on this screen, if Unreal was Quake, that church would have so many supports on it and it has zero.It would also probably be a more "abstract evil keep/castle". That "something else" are the other details that helped you identify it correctly as a church.>>11384779>This one is a bit more difficult to compare because Quake is 100% dark fantasy, Unreal is scifi + some fantasy, and Quake 2 is zero fantasy and all HR Gigerish scifi horror.I'd personally want to compare the more objective details, what was possible graphically between '96 and '98.
>>11384831> objective detailsI feel like on objective level Unreal went for more flat detailing because it had different mapping paradigm, more oriented towards bigger open-air environments with particular rendering concerns.IIRC Quake uses some kind of tricky super-optimized subtractive geometry paradigm which allowed it to have a lot of detail at the price of sticking to small closed environments, sacrificing open-air and huge areas.
>>11384831> That "something else" are the other details that helped you identify it correctly as a church.It didn't have to be so flat to be identifiable as church. Here's how church "supports" could look like.
>>11383927>[11-2] Pina Colada 2 releasedThat links to the first Pina Colada. Here's the link to PC2.https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/149139
>>11384843It's felt the flattest when they're showing off a huge valley, but also hasn't felt lacking when the level is scaled back or showing off or inside.>>11384867I'm fine with the supports in the above pic, probably the "least flat" thing about that church entrance.
>>11384582I've seen a comment on a video about it saying it was the doom equivalent to half life 2 cinematic mod how the fuck did it take 11 years to make that
post BLOOD gifs please. thanks.
>>11384823Not just nude, but beaten, tortured, beheaded and anally impaled with a wooden stick. I can imagine the author yelling "WHO'S THE BITCH NOW, JOHN!" while making the sprite. Filtered by Sigil 2 probably.
>>11383925>DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREADtoo many words, just call it BOOMER SHOOTERS THREAD
>>11384582>>one of the characters is "sissy guy" which the author included as probably some of sort fetishAlso the artwork for it was taken from Tumblr and badly edited.
>>11384981No.
>>11384981Shan't use indie griftware marketing termsand it also fucks with the archive changing it
>>11384985Wise.>>11384886That Quake glass texture vs Unreal glass texture is how everything Quake vs Unreal looks to me.
>>11384981Anyone who unironically uses "Boomer Shooter" to describe the actual classic era shooters is a tourist. That term didn't exist until the boom of Indie FPSs that took direct inspiration from the classics, so I'd prefer to keep that term within the realm of indies, thank you.
Thought of making a map based on the demo ST-NICCC because why not. Thoughts on how things should be done?>the starfield flythrough - keep it noninteractive or make it a fight in 3D skybox F_SKY world?>any ideas how to more or less faithfully recreate the 3D geometry from the main part of the demo?
What are the best blood map packs??
>>11385053>specifically excluding GZDoomMega based, non-interactive is fine>3D GeometryGodspeed, sector art is hard
>>11385053BUT HOW?! WHAT ENGINE
>>11385094>>11385096Actually it runs on GZDoom.The demo's joke is "This is not a Falcon demo", as it runs on an Atari ST (an older 16-bit machine compared to Falcon, a 32-bit computer). Since I'm running this on basically the most advanced and feature-packed source port possible, I'm saying the joke doesn't work here.I should rephrase it I guess. I didn't mean to make people think I'm not using ZScript for this. Though this should be totally be possible to do in just ACS.
>>11385072This list includes 500 milliliters of /vr/, so it has to be good.https://blood-wiki.org/index.php?title=List_of_Mods_for_Blood#Large_Scale
>>11385009>Completely Shotgun Gameplay
>>11385136Thanks bro
Final Freedoom: The Polonia Study
>>11384751Some of it was royalty free stuff, other was a bunch old fan remixes from over the years.Also, NONE of this stuff was actually .FLAC source audio or anything, it was existing lossy stuff like .MP3, but not just converted to .FLAC for no good reason, rather this music was split into separate left and right audio channel files, and THEN converted to .FLAC, the filesize inflation is absolutely insane.It's one of the funniest fucking things I've seen people do with Doom, in all the worst ways.
>>11384981
>>11385017They only took crude surface level inspiration from classic shooters, virtually all of them are bland and dull, and don't actually know why the old games are good.
>>11385305Gonna make a proper revisit for one of them, see with clearer eyes if it has any merits as I only deemed it half-decent back then and lost interest midway -- the one with the battle axe wielding champion who also had some rather bizzare arsenal. At least it seemed it had more effort poured into it as opposed to much more popular sickle psychobilly game.
>Doom64>Doom64 TC (Absolution)>Console Doom64 (cdoom64.wad, an old Skulltag mod)>GZDoom64>Doom64 EX>Doom64 Retribution>Doom64 Steam release>Doom64 EX Plus>Doom64 Unseen Evil + D64D2 (A strange alternative-universe version of D64)Am I missing any?
>>11384462>>11384464I think the opposite. Given how it's supposed to be a coop mod, the appeal is having all sorts of characters with different styles fighting together at the same time.
>>11385305>>11385328i felt dusk and ultrakill i felt were pretty fun while ion fury was a solid (but kinda bland) duke 3D clone.everything else i looked at was either roguelike slop or a glorified doom & quake mod.
>>11385369This, especially since the point is for all kinds of people with different ideas and skill levels to add their own class to it,
can you help a brainlet get Blake stone to work? runs like a slideshow in DOSbox and Gzdoom doesnt even start it
>>11385430http://bibendovsky.github.io/bstone/
>>11385437much obliged
>>11385364There's the Consolation Prize version of 64, which is just 64's maps in GZDoom.https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=55298Combine this with Unseen Evil and it's a pretty solid way to play 64.
>>11384240little known fact is that installing OldUnreal on linux fucking SUCKED. for some reason, Epic forbade them from releasing zip files. so the games had linux builds, but you needed to run a windows installer to patch them.
>>11385305Early on, stuff like Dusk and Amid Evil were directly taking after 90's era shooters. But it does seem like the term got hijacked by NuDoom inspired games and Roguelite slop unfortunately.
>>11385496Oh yeah, preaching to the choir there. Hated having to manually upload my patched copy to my arm64 server because of that.
>>11385539I dunno, I don't think anyone who programmed Dusk's movement could be directly taking anything from Quake. Like you would have to specifically design it so that you would have no air momentum when you're not holding the keys. Who the fuck does that?Plus, one could go on a whole tangent about how the real early stuff was games like Shadow Warrior 2013, which serves as a prime example of how the whole "it's retro-inspired!!!!" claims are superficial and the nuevo-retro fad is rotted to its roots in that regard, but that's going a bit too far off /vr/ to keep discussing. Instead I'll just say one of the worst ramifications was nu-Wang being constantly inserted in art of the Build Engine Boys
>>11385364DZDoom aka GEC
>>11385539I honestly don't have a problem with the RogueLite stuff itself, but many of these games have awful gameplay and level design.
>>11385554Shadow Warrior 2013 came out WAY before Boomer Shooter was a term, and plays more like Painkiller and Hard Reset, because those were the games its devs worked on prior. I used Dusk as an early example, because thats literally one of the first games to be called one.
Quake 1 maps in Half-Life 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxq_ylaL2U
>>11385726are you in any way related to chaosesque anon
Will any mod that isn't specifically made for GZDoom work on Chocolate Doom and Woof?
>>11385775Possibly, there's still a fair amount of mods that were made for ZDoom or Zandronum.
>>11385779I mean stuff like this:https://moddb.com/mods/boiled-doom-brutal-doom-for-doschocolatehttps://doomworld.com/forum/topic/84859https://doomworld.com/forum/topic/85991
>>11385780Just read the descriptions. Anything DEHACKED should work with the vanilla game.
>>11385775Chocolate Doom only supports the bare minimum vanilla DEHACKED featureset. Woof has support for the later Boom/MBF/MBF21 stuff, so it's a little more broadly compatible, but there's also other ports with unique modding features besides GZDoom, such as EDGE and Eternity.>>11385780Boiled Doom will work in Chocolate, the other two likely not. Crispy and Doom Retro both support the DEHACKED extensions that Chocolate doesn't.
>>11385809>Chocolate doesn'thttps://www.chocolate-doom.org/wiki/index.php/Dehacked
>>11385775>2024>Chocolate DoomWhy?
>>11385072>3L
>>11385825>It is closer in behavior to the original dehacked than the dehacked engines in other ports. It is also stricter in what it accepts as valid input.Chocolate does not support the Boom/MBF/MBF21 extensions to DEHACKED, in keeping with it being a strict recreation of vanilla. Crispy doesn't have Boom or MBF map support but it does support their DEHACKED additions.
>>11385848Presumably he's only interested in the base game.
>>11383925Unreal and Unreal Tournament are freeware now, make sure to include it in the next OP, bros
>>11385713>came out WAY before Boomer Shooter was a termWell that's the thing: SW'13 is the progenitor. It predates the term, but it's THE game that galvanized the trend that directly spawned the term. It was THE one that everyone pointed when talking about how "90s FPS design is officially BACK" and how "we totally need more of this," even though yeah games like Hard Reset and Rise of the Triad 2013 predate it. Like if people wanna say that the "boomer shooter" term/genre is cancer, one should also look at its family history and see the tumor ridden pancreas at the start of the lineage. SW'13 is the big daddy.
Any cool modern mapsets for Unreal?
>>11385921Stunstick masturbation
>>11385780What's the difference compared to this?https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/133318
Does anyone of you have Nerves Of Steel TC? Link on Impie's page doesn't work anymore.
Trying Comatose + Lost in Darkness and it runs at like 0.1 frames per second on an i7-13700K.
>>11385992https://files.catbox.moe/8bemi7.7z
>>11386023Thank you, kind anon. You are a good man.
>>11386006Never play Lainos' maps on gzdoom.
>>11385364Brutal Doom 64
>>11386006Here's solution.https://github.com/Helion-Engine/Helion/releases
>>11386006Similar kind of deal on the Refinery from Tormentor without any mods, but then I might just not like its new enemy types and it's better to simply explore it in tourist mode; It looks pretty nice.
Crispy Doom can run Batman TC properly, right?
>>11386006If that mod has a lot of heavy effects and shit and replaces stock actors, it's probably gonna run poorly with almost anything made by Lainos. He uses reskinned corpses and stuff to have LOTS of tall grass.Sonar is more of an exception, it's still big and intricate but it doesn't have the typical vast outdoor landscapes.>>11386028You can do it, but there's gonna be caveats. There were a few ways to improve performance for some of the more demanding ones.
>>11386076With compatibility patch, it's on moddb and wadsup.
>>11386006>Comatosehttps://files.catbox.moe/8qtrty.pk3ZScript version that retains the grass, only converts it to super lightweight actors. Won't give you 60 FPS, but even 30 is better than 0.
>>11385713>Shadow Warrior 2013 came out WAY before Boomer Shooter was a term, and plays more like Painkiller and Hard Reset, because those were the games its devs worked on prior.It helped start the trend of "fps remakes" that followed shortly after with the new Wolfesteins and Dooms, and in the wake of those is when the popularity of those 90's-inspired shooters started to boom. I'd say it at least helped to inspire a trend, even though it was indirectly and not by itself.>>11385974>Any cool modern mapsets for Unreal?I've seen The One get mentioned on another thread and it's very good. It makes me want to finish the other mods I've been looking into: Redeem Your Space and Strange World. I'll feel like I'll be spoiled if I play The One first. Here's some sites where I've been looking through other maps, most of them older:https://www.unrealsp.org/https://unrealarchives.com/
Beetle, could you upload hell frontier on wadsup too? You'll have better screenshots than I do anyway.
>>11386108>It helped start the trend of "fps remakes"It was pretty much patient one, with patient zero being the abysmal ROTT remake that came out earlier in the same year.
>>11384012This entire post reeks of copium and sheep
>>11386006Thinking about giving that mod a try in the future. Looks like it's got some neat stuff going on. The actual structure inside it is fucking weird, though.
>>11386108>>11386171No one wants to acknowledge Serious Sam HD/3 and Painkiller: Hell & Damnation and that's a good thing!
>>11386190>No one wants to acknowledge Serious Sam HD/3Thanks for reminding me to make sure I had Fusion installed, the changes it makes to the latter are nice and SS: HD was how I first really got into the games.
>>11386169It doesn't seem to work for me at the moment, not sure if the problem on my side or over there.
>>11386198It does for me. You could leave a text description with screenshots here, or upload on imgur to avoid spamming, as an option.
are kleers still busted in SSHD?
>>11386198Or those on Doomworld thread might just do, I forget that forum exists and only check with idgames. Will upload it myself shortly.
>>11386210Yeah, that would work.
I noticed a strange issue on the Pvt Stone mod for Doom, the nuke weapon you get from the glowing barrel sometimes remains when you pick it up, like it duplicates.
>>11386207Unsure about the standalone HD versions but in Fusion kleers and werebulls are broken and slide around too much or decide to randomly melee you. There are mods out there that fix this.
>>11386213https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/doku.php?id=hell_frontierDone. Your titlepic is in wrong dimensions btw and gets extra stretched in the game, should be 320x200.
So far I've had two maps in Community Chest 2 that lag GZDoom like hell
>>11386275Squeezed the titlepic to make it not crash on doom32.exe, also cut the skies into patches like in final dooms to get rid of visual glitches. Not sure how far this will get me but it works. Will absolutely crash if I try to save though.
>>11386275Wow, it's been like this since the last version and nobody ever told me. >>11386380Last time I tried this it crashed on the start of the second map, not sure if it's still the case.
>>11386275I'm going to upload a fixed version to idgames.
>>11385974The One is basically the gold standard. For other good stuff made in the last ten years:Chronicles of Weedrow 2: Turns U1 into a parody of Amnesia-style exploratory horror games.The Descent: A collaborative map pack. Some of the maps are kind of odd, but generally the pack is good.Hard Crash: The plot goes completely off the rails about halfway through, but it's still enjoyable to playRedeem Your Space: I think this might be the biggest Unreal campaign. The level design doesn't always hit, there's a lot of weirdly huge maps and tiny rat warrens, but it's a good time nonetheless.Dead Star: If I'm totally honest it's been long enough that I don't remember this exactly, but I think it was good compared to the stuff around it.
Soon... soon HL2 will be destroyed by the 20th anniversary update!
>>11386520Do we know what they’re planning to do to it? My current SMod install is standalone so I don’t have to worry about that.
>>11386520>>11386525Update is out, but no changelog yet. Adds Workshop support, Steam Input support, and all of HL2, E1, E2, and Lost Coast can be launched from within HL2. HL2DM is still its own thing, I think.
>>11386520Explain how Half Life 1 was destroyed by its update.
>>11383927Get your free developer commentaryhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/220/HalfLife_2/
>>11386552>HL2DM is still its own thing, I think.Weirdly enough, HL2DM is still its own folder under steamapps/common like HLDMS, but the update adds the new client/server .dlls to a new /hl2mp folder under the regular HL2 install and leaves the HL2DM folder untouched.
>>11386556Oh shit they actually uploaded the footagehttps://youtu.be/wU4yPEFXzo0?si=eVJ3gbMlYiAAWvAR
>>11386425Can confirm. Played with both unrestricted and i486 dosbox configuration on the modern FastDoom dos port, performance was nice but game stalled indefinitely after I went upstairs and walked around a bit. Curiously, MAP04 doesn't load at all, but MAP05 crashed with freeze only after I made major progress and was close to the exit, and it's a no lesser map on sidedef count. Maybe it could be alleviated somehow, even if it's fairly reasonably so beyond project's goals. Congrats on finally making it up to the completion.
>>11386564Yeah, I don't have a goal to make it work on vanilla, it doesn't crash on DSDA-Doom, that's what's important.Probably some kind of nodebuilder optimization that makes it vanilla-unfriendly.
>>11383927https://www.half-life.com/en/halflife2/20th
>>11386592It makes me laugh how Valve released a major update for the 20th anniversary for HL2 yet id soft didn't bother doing a thing for Doom 3's 20th anniversary.and no BFG edition was shameless cashgrab.
>>11386553Not that anon but I do know it fucked a bunch of things up, some that got patched later and some was just stuff like making grenades handle weirdly.
>>11386610Thinking of which, this year should've been 20th anniversary of such cult classic FPS games as Half-Life 2, Doom 3, UT2004, Riddick, Far Cry, Painkiller and Gaylo 2. And we only got what, Half-Life?
>>11386620Spoiler received its initial E3 demo as a mod a few days ago. I haven't checked it out yet.
>>11385917>>11386108I feel like you guys are missing the point. The term "Boomer Shooter" wasn't just mindless buzzword for "old school throwback" when it was first used as a term. It originally was used for Amid Evil and Dusk, because they actually didn't fall into the serious sam/painkiller school of design, and actually took more from the actual 90's shooters. If anything, you guys attempting to use Shadow Warrior 2013, as an early example proves my point that the term was hijacked to mean those types of games too.
>>11386620UT is now freeRiddick IP is deadFar Cry is in rights limboDoom 3 as long as Sponge is at id, nothing will happen.
>>11386620halo 2 got the anniversary treatment a decade ago and they have no intention of doing it again. i don't know what hell they're even doing with the series right now
>>11386685Check /v/, there's a thread with "halo" in the title. The op pic will tell you everything you need to know.
>>11386654>If anything, you guys attempting to use Shadow Warrior 2013, as an early example proves my point that the term was hijacked to mean those types of games too.No, sorry, wrong and not what I was trying to get across. I should try to be more clear: I give it credit for being the first of these 90s shooters being rebooted starting in the 2010s. It, the new Wolf and the new Doom were still more modern than what they were claiming to be, trending towards a desire for more genuine 90s shooter design, THEN boom shooters boomed.
>>11386610Pretty simple, Valve are proud of hl2, id isn't of doom 3>>11386672ubisoft lost the rights to far cry?
>>11386654"boomer" has been a mindless buzzword for the better part of a decade. It's an astroturfed meme that retards fell for.
It seems Fears' and Dynamite Duchess series' downloads are missing from Impie's page too. If any anon has these, can you upload them too?Damn you Mike for removing your own good stuff.
>>11386695Ubisoft owns half of the og rights, crytek the other.
>>11386620they literally just dropped the 20th anniversary update for half life 2 lol >>11386592
>>11386713fuck me, reading comprehension
>>11386592>Updated Game Content>Every map in Half-Life 2 has been looked over by Valve level designers to fix longstanding bugs, restore content and features lost to time, and improve the quality of a few things like lightmap resolution and fogDid they finally fix the Nova Prospekt guard waves?>not listed as a specific map fixIt might be over.I was hoping they might put out a DM map or two like HL1 got. At least Hammer got its limits jacked up.
>>11386693Ah I see, yeah thats very true. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
>>11386718all things were fixed, also the /v/ thread has some of the new bicubic lightning.
>>11386592It's incredible to me that the E3 '03 demo includes a shitload of features that modern games are apparently completely unable to replicate. Source Supremacy.
>>11386701Actually I found Dynamite Duchess trilogy on archive.org. Now only Fears is missing from my Impie collection.
>>11386672>Far Cry is in rights limboHasn't Ubisoft port it to PS3 and Xbox 360 10 years ago? Or that's just the extension of rights they got back when they first made console ports?
>>11386751possibly the later, but FC1 uses Proto Cryengine
>>11386736>Now only Fears is missing from my Impie collection.https://files.catbox.moe/1nbfnn.7z
YEAH BABY, I AM THE LIZARD KING
Half Life 2 is free, go get it if you have it. Also, the episodes are bundled with it all in one exe, breaking every fucking mod ever, probably, haven't tested anything.
>>11386883Steam gave it for free? probably on their digital platform right
>>11386883>breaking every fucking mod ever, probablySteam's handling of source mods is more robust than that. So long as they were compatible with SteamPipe they should be OK, SMOD and things might throw a fit trying to patch the maps since they've been modified, though. The old appids will still resolve since the old E1 etc still exist, just got moved to Tools, not sure if you'll need to include them going forward if the mod uses episodic content or just the HL2 one since it now installs the Eps and LC.
>>11386883Can you at least access old versions via beta branches?
Brand new windows spotted.Also, why didn't they bundle Deathmatch along with the other stuff they packed together? I never really got the reason to keep them seperate.
So you guys aren't going to host Unreal Tournament this weekend? you seem pretty obsessed with Doom for your own good you know.
>>11386907yes
>>11386913you do it
>>11386908The version of Source that the HL2 games run on has separate MP and SP builds, I think certain critical features for SP like saving/loading won't function in the MP branch of the engine.
>>11386198>It doesn't seem to work for me at the momentDid it throw an error or anything, or did it just not do anything?
>>11386948Someone with decent internet do it. The ISP is laying wires down and wont be done until after Monday.
>>11386959I was pretty sure they updated it to the Portal 2 version at some point.
>>11386849Thanks.
fall into the unreal tournament poson goo, lose the unwanted weight fast!
>2000s doom>Wads In Progress (RIP)>Pre-trannified Zdoom forums>Doom World forums>Skulltag forums (RIP)>Doom Wad Station>Realm667Man, those were the days. I know half of these websites continue to exist in (basically) their original spirit, but it hurt to see wadsinprogress go. >inb4 *crack, sip*
Waiting for that dario casali playthrough
>>11387139wait, is that faggot streaming?
>>11387141>that faggotreally?
>>11387139Which one?
>>11387181Half life 2
>>11387095>wadsinprogressIt was kind of pointless when a doomworld thread achieves the same thing and is more popular
>>11386978It was just showing blank page, though it seems to be working now.
>be me>never played unreal>download unreal from oldunreal>install unreal>launchAAAAAAAAAA MY GODDDD!!!!
>>11387214It was that bad?
>>11387223no, it looks fun. but the voice acting at the start was giving me chuckles.
>>11387139Faggot? Did he do something?
>>11387063>That time when the clovr UT server shid itself and it put on some fucked "last man with remaining lives standing" gamemode that we couldn't skip and gave you no weapons so we all(5 people) had to repeatedly kill ourselves in the green goo 30 times or so, until I discovered killbind but it was still slow as fuckGood times
Has anyone ever thought of any headcanon regarding the floors in Wolf 3D? Like, some are clearly stuff like a prison, personnel dormitories, dungeon... But like, it's a lot of floors man.
>>11387271what would the castle of wolf3d look like if you stacked all the levels on top of each other?
> inclusivity thing, wanted to make everyone feel representedSo they were doing it 20 years ago and it didn't feel stupid, annoying or offensively forced upon players.
>>11387341Probably because it was voluntary and as a minor detail, rather than being financially mandated as a central element through the whims of wealthy multi billionaire 'activists.'
>>11384326>11 years in developmentyou instantly know what it's going to be, babby's first maps with elaborate details, tacky gzdoom features and a mishmash of texture setscan someone give QRD on why the levels look as if they're made by different people?
>>11384059Implying you're not just kidding, why?
>>11384127Me in the bottom right corner.
>>11384294>Mephisto's MaosoleumI've never played it. Why is it bad?
>>11387341Eh, it was forced enough, I just didn't care at the time.
>>11387397I never noticed and I wouldn't notice even today if there wasn't a commentary saying they deliberately did it.> commentary saying they also actively made sure Alex wasn't oversexualized to not distract player from storytellingThey were ahead of time with this shit as well. And they somehow didn't decide to make her ugly to achieve this.
>>11387419Yeah, I obviously never summoned copies of Alyx Vance with the console and did things. Nope, no sir, not me.
>>11387396Play it yourself and see.
> Audio priority system to dynamically adjust volumes of simultaneously played sounds> Bullet audio raycast system to find closest bullet trajectory point to player's ears and simulate doppler> Audio precache to store 0.125s of every audiofile to make sure they able to open file in time to stream the sound when its needed> Holding the most often used sounds in memory to skip touching filesystem too muchThose guys are insane.
GOOD MORNING MOTHERFUCKERS, IT'S THAT TIME OF THE WEEK AGAIN: SCREENSHOT SATURDAY! WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON? Maps, mods, sprites? Now's a good time to post that shit!
How do you optimize wads to reduce file size? I see wads like Mood, that are just edits of the original doom that weigh 20 MB and i dont understand why
>>11387341Might be going schizo but I remember it was Laidlaw or someone else saying that the Combine wanted to mix people from all countries and differing languages just so they couldn't form a rebellion as easily.
>>11387383I'm kidding, anonbut if you didn't finish master levels you didn't beat the game
>>11386562These skyboxes are great
>>11387521oy vey, take your meds
>no complete half-life 2 beta>no episode 3../ISleep.pcx
>>11387535>complete half-life 2 betaoxymoron
>>11387536is not like they didn't have 20 (twenty) years to complete the original vision
>>11387538There is no "original vision", they were just fucking around in Hammer
>>11387485Putting together the last model I'll be needing for Kustam. I may go back and make those three gems on the middle part actually pop out some with lil sphere models.
>>11386672Riddick 4 started filming in August.
>>11387541what's this a reference to? i got the big core one but this one's drawing blanks
>>11387553This one's a cross between a big hole in the wall boss from Super C and loosely basing around a design Slax had done years ago in pic related.
>>11387419>They were ahead of the times>early Alyx was a redhead
>>11387437Fine.
>>11387526I did. I like it, but it's definitely the worst DooM release.
>>11383925>>11383927Has this seriously not been posted in the thread yet?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCjNT9qGjh4
> autosave_dangerous creates a hidden autosave point that becomes available only if player stays alive for 30+ seconds to avoid catching player in a death loop by unfortunate autosave timingThe amount of funky heuristics in their engine is impressive.
>>11387579is a rite of passage
>>11387602source still blows my mind with what they were able to achieve in 2004
What the fuck is going on with gravity and ladders here? Some huge invisible force pushes me to dive deep underwater in a fraction of second after failing to jump from wooden debris, also climbing the ladder is somehow glitchy and broken in a way I've never seen before.
So, what does the Steam version offer over literally just pirating the game?
>>11387539Don't care, Half Life 2 is not my president, I mean sequel.
Will Source ever be free to use?
>>11386672I'm sure Doom 3 remaster will eventually happen when nu-id has released remastered versions of Q3 and RTCW first. Probably Heretic, Hexen and Hexen 2 too.
Hi guys I was trying to play doom and quake on my android phone but all the engines I found were paid do you guys know any that are free? :p
>>11387670Did you miss all screenshots posted in the thread? Like >>11387606.There are those dialog markers that you can interact with that tell you gamedev stories behind stuff in game.Also there is a changelog that literally lists everything that was changed:https://www.half-life.com/en/halflife2/20th> pirating Also it's free.
>>11387341That shit has been going on since the 90s manPeople made fun of the Burger King Kid's club for a reason
>>11387715I'm talking about doom+doom2
>>11387714All of them are free, you just have to look for them elsewhere.
>>11387670The mod browser allows you to play custom wads on console. PSX skyboxes for Legacy of Rust. Plug and play doom if you're lazy.That's about it. I wouldn't recommend the sourceport on pc, there's better options if you know how to set it up.
>>11387670It has new expansion, but you got the steam version for free even if you bought one of the dooms on steam almost 20 years ago. But yeah, you can pirate the expansion and play it on a source port of your choice.
I'm getting close to publishing my first megawad but it currently uses a few textures of other WADs I really like, some of them from all the way back to '97. I plan to credit everyone properly but I haven't directly asked anyone permission to use said textures. If I post my WAD on Doomworld just like that. would that piss people off? Any advice would be appreciated.
>>11387282I imagine its actually a non euclidian hellraiser torture dimension. because when you say "oh I'm gonna play some some Wolfenstein today" its fun until you get to a certain level in a certain episode, everyone has they're own, where you start to notice the chain hooks in both your asscheeks. bottleneck and pray at sharp corners untill pinhead lets you and your asscheeks leave. still love that game though.
>>11387890Jesus wept.
>>11387890bro i think you're playing a modded wolf 3d where did you download that
>>11387906usually the puzzle box is fully opened in the official expansions and they removed Ardwolf as safe word
>>11387850You can see copyright types on the readme files that come with the wads. But still, if it's an old 90s wad nobody cares even if you don't have the copyrights. Just remember to credit.
>>11387890be careful with those asscheeks anon
https://youtu.be/v6LI-QA-OvQ
>>11388007Here's a list of games featured, although I doubt ALL of them were, even when ignoring Titanfall.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1THYZoFG37JWJdz6tOvbEFpcH-J7NVXpnqwQP1mfy8ng/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.w8cvqgvoapbt
https://youtu.be/pRtBACEMMKE
>>11388004>spion!
It took some manual editing to fix conflicts, but I managed to get Pandemonia to work with Ramp2023. Still need to use console commands because some triggers don't work for whatever reason, and probably manual adjusting of PD's game level because it's absofuckinglutely not balanced for 300 pistol start maps, but it's fun(ctional).
>>11388007Incredibly based. We had it so good.
>>11387850Not in the scene but I imagine you could get away with a lot as long as you properly note everyone in a credits file. Easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission.
>>11387850You could always try the>If asked, I can remove the contentious texturesApproach. Its unlikely you will be but it shows willing.
>>11387534oh hey, i don't support big pharma,lol.
>>11387535Project Beta updated their mega-pack and patch for the 20th.https://hl2-beta.ru/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=348;language=english
2024 Cacowards predictions?
>>11387603>>11387604Seeing the massive choppiness in the SIGGRAPH demo, then comparing it to the smoothness of the E3 2k2 and 2kl3 demos, I have to wonder whether they were running it on a toaster or performed some sort of optimization wizardry over the intervening two years.
>>11388310Teleporternity 2 is a givenPirate Doom 2Nostalgia Zero or some other myolden projectRUST or some other Arsinikk wad maybeObvious Necromantic Thirst for Mordeth.Also on related (or not, haven't played it yet) note, Hell Frontier is up on idgames.
>>11388310Legacy Of Rust, Eviternity 2, Pirate Doom 2, Realm Of Chaos 2, Necromantic Thirst, Simulacrum and Curse Of Blood would be quite safe bets.30 Years With Doom does definitely deserve one too, but I'm not so sure of that since it has lot of maps from Shadowman and BigMemka, and both are banned from dw.
>>11388419Would LoR even be applicable considering it's "official" content? No idea what the cacoward rules are tbqh
>>11388426Well No Rest For The Living did get one. And it did deserve it imo.
>>11388310Doom 3 In Doom 2Fat Latinas Mod
>>11388130It's missing Day of Infamy (which was shown) so it may be missing other games/mods.
>>11388419Legacy of Rust will get one for sure, even if they have to make up a special token cacoward to give it. The writeup will be entirely masturbatory about the community's hard work paying off and getting to work on the game itself in an official capacity.
>>11388447Don't forget Zugnaex.
>>11388450That's true and cool though unless you are envious bitch.
>>11388487I'm not him, but I do respect Kaiser and Xaser. One of them is the reason why we even have a pc port Doom 64 and one of them was one of developers of mbf21. I'd rather have guys like be in charge of official content and id24 than some Bethesda's in-house diversity hires. All hate against them seems just envy and envy is a bitchy thing.
>>11388501Xaser's maps are the low points of the set.
>>11388504Well that's your opinion bro. I liked them better than Kaiser's and Gooberman's LoR maps.
>>11388506Why?
>>11388507More memorable, better combat, better visuals.
>>11388512>better combat>lol here's 20 archviles and a dozen cyberdemons
>>11388516It's a boss map and you have a weapon that's much more stronger than bfg to deal with them. Also the finale has much more (babby) cyberdemons than a dozen. But it's not that hard. Git gud.
>>11388525I finished it, but it wasn't fun.Why are you always so defensive of people not liking your maps?
>>11388528I'm not Xaser, you schizo fuck.
>>11387442i always loved the distant gunshots in this game
>>11387521no, you're right. they also considered having citizens speak a bunch of different languages but they obviously couldn't do that.
>>11383925Spoonfeed the OP pic pls, what am I looking at there? It looks cool
>>11388525NTA, I love LoR and I respect Xaser. I can see it winning a deserved cacoward. But those two arenas after the maze are the worst part of the mapset. Monster spam on flat arenas so that blade can shine more.Nukes look nice, though.
Eviternity 1 vs 2? Which is the better wad in your opinion?
>>11388674I loved 2 almost the entire way through (except for the first ice world map and that brutalist puzzle map), and the further expanded bestiary added to the fun. The peaks of 1 (especially Gossamer) might be on par with those of 2 but they were fewer, and I remember there being more annoying parts.
>>11388530i see through your lies you little shit, i know for a fact you're actually *tosses dart at board w/ names on it* linguica!and that guy right below you is *turns around, underhands dart between my legs onto same board* yholl! just the masterful deductive work of your local ace detective
>>11388690hello joe
>>11388725hi john
>>11388690actually you're wrong *throws dart at your ass* i am lingüini *tongue flickering*
guys half life 2 deathmatch has actual players right now god i fucking missed this game
Did they improve performance on Doom 1 + 2 recently? It had issues earlier on my machine, but is now running 120 no problem.
any good doom wads released this year?
>>11387209Maybe you caught it while the server was down. It goes down every night for like 5 minutes or so.It's how it changes games out actually. Probably a cleaner way to do that but that's not what I did.
>>11387230What the fuck are you talking about? Did you start with return to na pali?don't. And skip the voice over sections because they're shit.
>>11388816I think so, it's absolute butter on my POS integrated graphics laptop, 60 no problem
>>11388962>still annoyingly get stuck on walls though
>>11383925>>11388993>candidate for next thread's op picture
>>11383925After all these years, I FINALLY decided to give the first two Doom a go.Where should I start? Where should I get the games themselves, and what source port should I use? On what difficulty and setting should I play?I probably won't dabble in any mod stuffs until I beat the vanilla games first.
>>11389050Nigga you didn't read shit don't you do you even know how to read>>11383925All that shit you asking is in the OP
>>11387419>somehow didn't decide to make her uglyShe's really bland and if hl2 had come out today she'd be a good example of a toned down sbi character that onions boy developers made bland to not ''oversexualize'' her.>>11387341>didn't feel stupid / annoyingIt did feel weird but the reason it wasn't as annoying is because the conversation around it didn't happen and you could ask questions on forums wondering why there were so many blacks in supposedly eastern european country but oh well. Then again everyone speaks english so it's another unspoken ''americans must be made to feel at home'' thing.
>>11389058How up-to-date is OP? The video one was uploaded over half a decade ago so I suspected a lot of them to be outdated.
>>11389050The first game. For a sourceport, Nugget is a good one.Nugget adds some extra features, but mainly cosmetic ones (blood colors, fake brightmaps, etc).For difficulty, it depends, but if you have experience with first person shooters you could outright start with Ultra-Violence, because for the most part Doom and Doom 2 themselves aren't that hard, BUT... when you look at custom map packs, most of the high profile ones tend to be a lot harder, so never assume that any custom levels will be as easy on that setting.You could also save Doom's fourth episode for after you've beat Doom 2, just because that episode was added as a bonus for its retail release, and is in part much tougher than base Doom and Doom 2.For playing, mouse and keyboard is the go-to, but modern sourceports like Nugget and GzDoom have good gamepad support so you can play well with one there.There's no up and down looking/aiming, you'd use the mouse for turning only, and a built-in aim assist directs your shots upwards or downwards as necessary to compensate for that (with a really subtle horizontal assist), which is comparatively weird to all other shooters, but it's easy to get used to and it works pretty reliably.
>>11389050Try this: https://litter.catbox.moe/1lpwjt.zip
>>11389063What is it? I'd like to know what's inside before downloading it on my PC.
>>11389060it is enough. Go back and read it again, you'll find everything you need there.
>>11388804>lowest ping is still ~150 ping burger serversNo Aussie love for HL2DM, sadge.
So, I beat Quake 1 yesterday. Episode 4 is a disaster. E4M1 is peak fun - it has loads of quad damage upgrades, there's more than 4 enemies on the screen at once, you can actually move around and shoot without feeling like it would have been better if you had played through the level 7 more times beforehand and anticipating every enemy placement. Then came the Spawns and holy shit are they awful. Shub was also a major letdown, I don't know how they managed to make a boss more underwhelming than the Spider Mastermind but okay. Started playing Scourge of Armagon and Episode 1 so far was a blast. The inclusion of the Laser Gun was a genius move - it's strong, you get a lot of ammo for it and it's fun. I see now that Episode 2 switches back to the 'eldritch' dimension - I really hope that Cell ammo doesn't wound up being super scarce and that the number of enemies doesn't dwindle significantly. This expansion's first episode was the most fun I've had with the game so far and is legitimately super fun - I'll probably replay it. What are the other expansions like? Militaristic, medieval? Do they also have these new weapons from Armagon or are they different beasts altogether?
>>11389076of course it's child porn. what did you expect? Do not click this or any links in the OP, they are all honeypots and viruses. You can play doom legally through steam, just do that.
>>11389076Doom .wads packaged with Nugget Doom and Doom Launcher, along some other stuff.>>11389089Please don't even joke about such serious matters, KEXDoom is still fucking scuffed.
>>11389059> supposedly eastern european countryInteresting, thinking about it more, HL2 setting could actually be foreshadiwing of current russian expansion into europe. Like, streets are really more european, but it also features a lot of post-soviet appartment-complex style shit, and there are too much russian texts and streetsigns everywhere. So it could be like Poland post-russian occupation or something like that.
>>11389059> She's really bland and if hl2 had come out today she'd be a good example of a toned down sbi character that onions boy developers made bland to not ''oversexualize'' her.I personally don't like her, but I at least can see she's not deliberately ugly like for example Concord characters. I'd personally prefer oversexualized characters any day but I also prefer when those not oversexualized are simply non-sexy good characters instead of deliberately bad characters made deliberately bad so that they are not sexy just because they're that bad.
>>11389086>Do they also have these new weapons from Armagon or are they different beasts altogether?The expansions share nothing that isn't in vanilla Quake. DoE has alternate ammo types instead of new weapons.
>>11389086Arcane Dimensions? It has new enemies and new weapons. Maps are by different authors and made in quite different styles. I enjoyed all of them so far, but I'm rather omnivorous. Some of the maps feature very smooth custom scripting.
>>11389113I think it's supposed to be baltic states like Estonia / Lithuania / Latvia. In those states you still had old soviet built things around especially during HL2 development and cyrillic / russian language is / was around.I think it was left intentionally unclear what country it is supposed to really be but my money is them wanting to go for a baltic vibe. Iirc some advertisement / placard on a street view in a screenshot preview of the old hl2 concept even had a finnish word in it so I would personally think it's very baltic.>>11389120Yea fair. That said I never play hl2 without using that Alyx mod that keeps her art style but gives her large bust and shows cleavage.
>>11389140IIRC the textures for the gasoline pumps were sourced from some old Swedish or Norwegian ones or something. City 17 and the areas around have a strong vibe of just old Europe in general, primarily eastern, and I think Baltic is just about the most likely.
>>11389145> a strong vibe of just old Europe in general, primarily easternRussian signs suggest post-soviet. Those european stone streets are nowhere to be found in post-soviet countries, except few far western cities in Ukraine and Baltics. But Ukraine has zero seas or oceans or even huge lakes around, which are present in HL. So yeah, probably Baltic.
>>11389202> But *far western* Ukraine has zero seas or oceans or even huge lakes around, which are present in HLfix
listening to podcasts and slading
>>11389086DoE is medieval (and ancient), but you'll still meet more human enemies both in Armagon and Dissolution. The dimensions of the whatever expansions are both whatever.
>>11389227>Machine>whateverI strongly disagree.
>>11389227>The dimensions of the whatever expansions are both whatever.I found Dimension of the Past was fun for gameplay/difficulty and Machine for production value/aesthetics, assuming those are the "whatever dimensions" you're referring to.
>>11389212Is it possible in Slade to copypaste and rotate selection nowadays?
>Friend offers me to make music for my wad>Why not, let him do so>Sends me thishttps://vocaroo.com/1eRXqkw1H8xGWhat is the nicest way to tell him that I am just going to use Final Doom music?
>>11389356I think only that part 0:21-0:31 is shit, everything else sounds cool.
>>11389356Is this you or something else making the same post from nearly a month ago?Either way I kind of like it.
>>11389356What is the nicest way to tell you to not repost this?
>>11389356Black metal riffs and drums are based af.
not minehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAC2L0_3IbQ
>>11387714https://4pda.to/forum/index.php?showtopic=926856https://4pda.to/forum/index.php?showtopic=515201https://4pda.to/forum/index.php?showtopic=508165
>>11388007GoldSrc one was waaaaay better.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY2_53oydbM
>>11383927version 5 of MAP08 for vertex relocation: https://files.catbox.moe/0f401n.wad>MAP08: Add backroom showing the slime tunnel and another view of the back of the imp crusher>MAP08: Add 'READ THE PDF'>MAP08: Another light, in the blood pool>MAP08: More details, blood in the corridor>MAP08: Add cracks, fix slime trails in toilet>>11389326yeah you can use e to rotate and scale a selection, and copy-pasting works. you have to copypaste the right things though - in my experience copying sides works best when you want to "clone" a map feature. you can also copy properties of lines and sectors and paste them on others
>>11389408> yeah you can use e to rotate and scale a selection, and copy-pasting works. you have to copypaste the right things though - in my experience copying sides works best when you want to "clone" a map feature. you can also copy properties of lines and sectors and paste them on othersThat's nice. Do you think if you make some kind of fancy pillar or column with a lot of linedefs will it work to copypaste it and rotate each copy by 30 degree for example?
>>11383927[11-16] Skyscraper 2.0 for Quake 2 Remastered was released, it is a full remake of the OG Skyscraper for Quake 2 with new remastered goodies.https://www.moddb.com/games/quake-2/addons/skyscraper-20-for-quake-2[11-16] Map Center's Quake II PSX Jam is outhttps://www.moddb.com/downloads/quake-2-re-release-psx-jam-1
I realized I never made the hong meiling outfit for Sewie
>>11389443Nice.
Why wasn't Quake ported to Playstation? Doom got ported, Quake 2 got ported. Aesthetically Quake is the closest to Playstation graphics. It's not like id themselves made those ports. It would've been so glorious.
>>11389420>Do you think if you make some kind of fancy pillar or column with a lot of linedefs will it work to copypaste it and rotate each copy by 30 degree for example?yep. picrel has 45° but if you hold shift while rotating you can rotate by any angle. it's probably possible to configure the angle snapping
>>11389356Oh, I remember that song from Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance.
>>11389475>ultimate doom builderthats cheating, also what theme do you have on?
>>11389478it's slade in kde
>>11389478to be more precise: I cropped the editor pics and pasted them + in-game screenshots together in GIMP
>>11389475Very cool, thanks. I think this was problematic few years ago, I even installed udb once just to do this iirc.
>>11389472Lobotomy Software ported Quake to Saturn, and they actually made a port for Playstation, but shopping it around they could for whatever reason not find a publisher interested.
>>11389503>we got robbed of PS1 Quake kino because some subhuman white suits told to their subhuman management the green arrows won't go up enoughI hate this planet.
>>11387264I think I fixed that. Should be able to voteskip now if something like that happens again.
Anyone go the "I like the way this sucks" image for HDoom?
>>11389658Found it.
is there something like Freedoom but for WOLF3D?
Trying GMOTA, what does Blaz's Power Cleave SSG replacement exactly do? I'm not noticing any difference. I thought it was an extra attack for the combo but turns out that was the chainsaw replacement.
>>11387230>no, it looks fun. but the voice acting at the start was giving me chuckles.That's only in the expansion as the other anon mentioned, but I also found out in the last few years that it's also based on player model. The male performance sounds worse to me.
>>11388504IMO, Xaser's maps were mostly fine. The problem with LoR is more just that there wasn't really enough synergy between mappers, so it kinda felt like a collection of random maps with a story slapped on, rather than a set that was entirely built from scratch to have a consistent story. Episode 2 especially suffers, considering a few maps in that were clearly donated from other unreleased projects repurposed for LoR.
Perfect Dark is great and all but the level design is pretty shit. Levels are way too small and not enough enemies. I get that stuff controls at the time and performance/hardware limitations but damn. Same with Turok 2. They nailed EVERYTHING ELSE in these games but the actual levels drags the game down.
>doomware
>>11389892>he played on AgentAlso, what a weird comparison, since Turok 2's levels are way too big.
>>11389939Ever heard of Goldilocks and the 3 bears?
>>11389939>Area 51 Rescue>Pelagic II ExplorationI liked that these two missions still gave me the most trouble, even with “auto aimless” mouse control.
>>11389969same energy
>>11389978>>11389969
man i missed this game, i think i'll set up an hl2dm server. one that isn't scuffed with shitty addons, i promise
>the textures on disk in wolf3d aren't compressed>the maps are compressed thoughweird. maybe reading from disk was faster than decompressing on loading 1.5 megs
Pain
>>11389702Think of it like splash damage for the powered sword. So if there's like four enemies clustered up and you hit one of them, the other three will get slashed too. But it only procs if you land a hit with it.
>>11390014Funny, I was just talking about pic related the other day.
>>11388453gameplay mod?
>>11390226Looks like Dusted's Pandemonium.
>>11390086I never played much hl2dm. I was a day of defeat source kid.
>>11390086Did you ever play HL2 CTF mod?
>>11390208Oh that sounds neat, I was actually wondering about Blaz's options for crowd control.
BFG done, more or less. There's some slight weirdness going on with it, but that means the chainsaw is the last weapon to replace before this mod gets on the homestretch to release.Skeleton mod might still come out before the end of Spooktober 2.Yes I know the mugshot offsets are a shit, I'll get to them soon
>>11390357looks good
>>11390357>AAAAShe's beautiful.
>>11390357>>11390372
>>11390348Blaz has some pretty good options. By default he'll always have the Blazter, which stuns stuff obviously, the uppercut finisher of his punch combo also always inflicts a stun, and his chain can be used to reposition monsters fairly reliably. Then once you factor in the Blazter upgrades, the Boomerang subweapon, and the cleave upgrade, he can mop the floor with just about anything in melee range.
>>11383925do any of you stream? if so whats you're twitch channel?
>>11388453
>>11390431>>>/soc/
>>11385554>>11385917Shadow Warrior 2013 was the first of the "boomer shooter revival" games, and not only was it good, it was insanely underrated, and it's easily better than any of the nudoom games.Shame about SW2 and 3 though
>>11390226WhoDunIt
>>11383925Have anyone else felt like Doomguy moves like he's on a wheelchair? Just a really fast one?He can't jump, and his movement feels awfully like something wheeled is slipping across floor if you ignore the head-bopping.
>>11390540I've felt like he moves like a car, usually felt playing deathmatch. or like omnidirectional roller skates. fps shooter protagonist on rollerskates? guys hear me out
>>11390550The Hacker has those.
>>11390550He definitely feels like some wheeled.
>>11390554thinking more like a jet set radio meets quake movement but with restraint not to make everything look like PS1 but forgot what the PS1 actually looked like
>>11389978I'll infer from this that Doomguy's asscheeks are hanging out when you're doing Tyson runs.
>>11388310>>11388310>>11388310Doom 64, unseen evilAlice, toys of madnessMaria's hellPvt Stone
>>11390584Why there is so much talk about asscheeks all of a sudden
>>11390694Who, Doomguy's ass?
must be the weather, making everyone crave some hot buttcheeks or something
>>11390705iD Software were always the foremost authorities on buttcheeks in FPS games during the 1990s.
>>11386006>>11386093Modern and Advanced
>>11389695Is Wolf 3D not freeware itself? Where do you even buy it?
>>11390728freeware != free softwarehaving a libre licensed VSWAP.WL6 etc would be useful to the community the same way freedoom is
Hey fellas, i really like Map 29 of Doom 2. Could i have some demos of you playing it? I wonder how different people go trough the level.
>>11390747I can't sleep so I'm doing this. I didn't actually remember this level very well, I just messed up recording the first time. I think Romeo forgot to flag the plasmagun area as a secret. Stick around for an epic winrar icon of sin fight.https://files.catbox.moe/aebpk7.lmp
>>11390728>Where do you even buy it?https://store.steampowered.com/app/2270/Wolfenstein_3D/It's been there for ages.
>try to run wolf4sdl using the files from my old DOS machine from the 90's>doesn't work>grab a different set of .wl6 files off of github>wolf4sdl now works for some reasonit's either the fact that the new files have lower case filenames, or that there are some byte differences between my old files and those I got off of githubalso wolf4sdl broke my multi-screen setup and I probably have to reboot to fix it >:(
>>11390791looking at /usr/games/wolf4sdl it requires both: the case must match and a checksum must match
>>11390772>Last CyberSLAIN>Icon of SinWASTED>Kills 900???
>>11389969>>11389978>>11390014>>11390210>>11390705>>11390713>>11390714>>11390720
What are runes used for in Arcane Dimensions?
>>11390895Unlocking the final level IIRC. It's basically a credits map, but it's still nice to look at.
>>11384326Unpopular opinion: I mostly liked it. The maps had some clever secrets and I played on one of the easier settings so ammo wasn't totally absent.Weird design decision on the second secret map where the big, ultimate reward is ... increased ammo capacity. In a mod built around denying you ammo.Unfortunately after I beat the final map I got stuck on a loading screen for almost two minutes before GZDoom crashed because it ran out of VRAM, so I got cucked out of the ending and still have no idea what is up with the collectibles, the music key and the achievements.Also the character selection stuff kind of rubbed me the wrong way, like another anon said it was probably a sexual fetish for the guy. Imagine my surprise when it turned out the person who made the high-res PNGs is a tranny.
>>11390919>Unfortunately after I beat the final map I got stuck on a loading screen for almost two minutes before GZDoom crashed because it ran out of VRAM, I'll blame the mod for this one.
>>11390931Not defending the Doom 3 mod, but GZDoom people are sure quick to blame the mods every single time any kind of performance problems appear.
>>11390949This mod is a bizarre outlier though, you can't even open the fucker in Slade, it tries but then crashes.Given how shoddily it has been cobbled together, I'm confident that it does some stupid shit which it shouldn't, just codewise I mean.
>>11390502SW2 was good but stats/modifiers juggling with all the gorillions of gems and whatever was waaaaaay too much. You either ignore them all and in fact only playing 1/2 of the game, or you dig through endless piles of shit searching for occasional diamonds, effectively spending 1/3 of your play time in menus digging through all the modifiers.In the end you can create quite a lot of really fun builds, but the amount of time you have to spend digging through all the +1 +2% +0.3s %%% is really off putting.
>>11390550>fps shooter protagonist on rollerskatesIt was ahead of its time.
>>11390919Anon the person that made zdoom is a tranny and the "Doom 3" guy actually credited them twice because he was working on it for so long.
>>11389695No and I think there are a few reasons. 1: there isn't the breadth of source ports and wads like there is for Doom. 2: Wolfenstein 3D very much baby's first ray casting engine so is incredibly easy to create a straight up clone without the need for the original engine code at all.
>>11391054I'm pretty sure the source code for it was published back in the 90s, before Doom's even.
>>11390892>>11390720Redpill me on having a baron of hell bf
>>11390965>you can't even open the fucker in SladeSlade has a problem with any big files in general, and it's common practice to avoid using it when making Doom mods because it's not a very stable program and can corrupt your entire project if it crashes (outside of using it to optimise pics or offsets or whatever else doom-exclusive things it has).
>>11391121TEXTURES, mass renaming, and offsetting are really the only things SLADE is good for these days. Working out of folders directly is the least painful experience.
>>11391121>>11391146why did noone tell me this when i began learning to map. also isn't slade the only option you have if you use linux?
>>11391054>>11391061Freedoom is just a resource pack for the engine. It's got nothing to do with the source code. He's asking if anyone has made a foss resource pack for wolf3d ports.
>>11391191Afaik you can compile UDB on linux if you're handy with code. They just don't pre-build versions of it for Linux.
>>11391191There's Eureka too, it's quite comfy for vanilla/boom mapping
Any idea why the texture became slightly misaligned at 1m3s? I thought the whole point of unlocked texture mode (and actually one of the big points of using Trenchbroom over Blender for example) was that everything gets auto-UVd and snapped to the global grid. So why in this particular case it shifted slightly? Author later uses some keybind to autofix it like in Doom, but I still want to understand why it became broken in the first place and is there a way to prevent it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTwe2lEu95s&t=63s
>>11391264Oh hmm, maybe it's alright there and it's actually broken on the brush above, and that one was placed outside of video. So maybe he just intentionally broke it in locked mode to show how to fix texture alignment in video.
>>11391073Pros: horny as a goat, would try to fuck you at every opportunity.Cons: ejaculates green cum which tastes funny.
>>11391264Most likely the other brush faces have an offset on the X or Y-axis (or both). By default if you create a new brush by dragging the mouse it will not have any offsets.
>>11391191With Proton and Wine you can go anywhere you want.
>>11391191It's really not that hard to switch. I didn't map a lot for Doom, have only like 5 maps in total, I started with Slade too, and when switching to UDB I was uncomfortable for few hours I think. The most uncomfortable things were the basics, those that are used the most. Like, how placing linedefs works for example. Anyway, I liked UDB more in the end.
I never actually played quake until recently and I'll be honest I didn't LOVE itThe shooting felt bad to me and the spongy enemies are kind of obnoxious. And while I agree the game is very atmospheric and spooky I'm not a huge fan of the enemy selection too, you only fight guys with guns and dogs in one level and then it's just knights, these floating monsters and the ogre guys that throw grenades along with these tanky monsters that keep leaping at you. And I'm genuinely not a huge fan of traps or shit like how the game wanted me to go over a pit with only a narrow, curving little path to go on (and if you fell of you just get shot to shreds by a trap) and then spawned these ogres in my face when I actually got across. Then I got a key in the same level and the game just spawned one of these jumping monsters to ambush me and when I died I was just like "oh yeah? fuck you too". Meanwhile I played Quake 2 and it was a lot more enjoyable simply because the guns felt a lot better to use
>>11391539I'm not shitting on quake by the way, I still think it's pretty good but I don't think it's my FAVOURITE retro shooter
>>11391539Yeah, I think guns are the weakest point of Quake. I consider what Wrath (a Quake engine game) did is how weapons should have been in Quake. Sadly, I'm not even aware of any mods that bring weapons of same quality to actual Quake. But at least I know it's possible in the engine itself. As for combat, it's much better in Arcane Dimensions for example. It's far from flexibility and mathiness of combat of Doom. Basically Quake only can handle incidental combat, but in case of AD at least, it's better at that than Doom imo. It's just kinda faster and more deadly incidental combat than Doom and it has more depth. But there is nothing like slaughtermap crowd control or combat puzzles of Doom.
>>11391539>>11391561Gitgud at the movement and come back to it. A lot of the fun comes in dancing around enemies very fluidly and avoiding their attacks while constantly applying damage.Also you're supposed to use rockets a lot more than you might expect coming from Doom, so don't be stingy with them.
>>11390431I only stream when drunk (and if I feel like it) but only in finnish
>>11391576Yeah, I do wanna come back to it, maybe the shotgun in doom being this amazing and reliable weapon of destruction spoiled me a little and I expected the same thing here
zdoom was a mistake
>>11391796No, but GZDoom was.
>>11391796>>11391802Your parents were a mistake.
Found this cool archive of Wolf 3D packs for ECWolf (and Wolf4SDL too). It's all set up in a way that if you have the base game, you can just extract a folder anywhere and drag the pk3 onto the ECWolf exe. Don't have to worry about having the wrong version for the mod since each folder has the right one baked in.https://dhw.wolfenstein3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=8418
>>11391796Zdoom was the thing that kept Doom alive during the 00s. Even if you don't use it, you should be thankful that it existed.
>>11391539The focus on tougher enemies for Quake's campaign feels "hardware considerate". I imagine Doom 2 would've felt similar if it was as "considerate" with its enemies, having a beefy dude or two replacing the imps and zombie clumps.
>>11383925why was this so popular.
>>11391932Worst kind of autism, ZDoom autism.
>>11391858You're right, Doom was on its last legs in the 2000s with releases like Scythe, Scythe 2, Alien Vendetta, Epic, Hell Revealed 2, Plutonia 2, Revolution, Deus Vult II, Community Chest 1, 2, and 3, Suspended in Dusk, Claustrophobia 1024, and Kama Sutra. It was all thanks to ZDoom for saving us from such a content drought.
>>11391932doomcute
>>11388310Cleanup RC4 which is now considered lost media
>>11391932doomcute was a mistake.
>>11390798You ever fight the icon before? The cheeky revenant at the front is the only enemy in the map so each spawned monster killed increases the counter by another 100%.
>>11390747Could be over a decade since I played this, Doom 2 is better than average shovelware but generally unremarkable compared to wads coming following years afterhttps://litter.catbox.moe/upxnfs.lmp
Progress is being made on map 29 for Vertex Relocation, I promise. Slime Trails are a bitch.
>>11391989And you now realize that more than half of them were just fun side projects zdoom crowd.
I now prefer Blake Stone the most of the pre-quake FPSslook at this loot. Look how much god damn money I am stealing from this asshole Dick Jones wannabe. Better death animations, plenty of weapons, secrets are a lot easier to find and an easy to follow minimap that shows the whole area instead of just the part youre in. Glorious
>>11388536Plain Icon of Sin sprite replacement, source is in the filename. Gruff face itself is Sviborg, old 3dcg meme from when it was placed in all sorts of games of no renown, almost just like a Dopefish but with a little more involved game ending role.
>>11392247>half of them were just fun side projects zdoom crowd.did you just pass out on your keyboard
https://www.schiit.com/products/rekkrdamn revae, i didn't know rekkr had a physical copy. pretty funky looking box too, very postmodern. ain't no way i'm dropping $149 though, that's absurd
>>11392334Kekkr? Never knew her "glances back at his sigil usb sticks"
>>11385917>>11390502I don't know if I can agree with SW 2013 being the one who started the retro fps revival. I always saw Rise of the Triad 2013 being overhyped much more before that, Dusk blowing up and becoming even more well known later, and I didn't like SW 2013 as much as either of those, or even nu-Doom, so I'd still consider them better candidates. On the opposite side of the spectrum we have Wrack (which was in early access for a good while before the "full release") trying and failing to get any attention, but it could be considered another candidate by a different metric (being around much earlier).>>11390995SW2 has the best first person melee combat I've seen, but yeah, the gems thing gets too old after a while, and I think it's better to ignore it once you get something "good enough". Maybe. I never finished it. The other reason being the "procedural map generation" that's just a handful of map pieces stuck together and reused many times in the game, getting too repetitive.
>>11392334What would you pay for a wooden small box copy? If I can ever finish the game for good. The boxes are done.
>>11392424caucasian reveal
>>11392426that could be anyone's handhands are a dime a dozen, everyone starts with two.
Those who are into Quake, what's the map with the biggest open air areas you could think of? In my limited experience it's probably Necromancer's Keep from AD, but those areas are not big at all, just a bit larger than other I've seen. I'm especially interested how far it's possible to push this engine.
>>11392427I've acquired a few different ones over the years.
Do I actually need to cut my dick off before anyone on that stupid Doomwiki starts to acknowledge my mapping existence?
>>11392461Several "suspended in the sky" maps from Alkaline and AD like Tears of the False God
>>11392561Thanks, I think I kinda messed up my question. Those are sure open air, but I meant more like outdoor landscape stuff.
>>11392204>>11390772I like how you start the level looking up at a big centerpiece, before slowly making your way towards it.
>>11392553Try it and see what happens.
>>11392595Ah Zero Tolerance. I still think the flare gun is a cool starting weapon.
>>11392553It's ok, you can just tuck it.
Which Nugget Doom features do you like the most that are not in Woof?
>>11392553Why is that so important to you though? If you're at least aware of people playing and enjoying your maps, that's all that matters.
>>11392620I'd need to try it first to get the idea
>>11391567>combat puzzles of Doomwhat is this exactly?
>>11392645It's when you put a cyberdemon in a room and make it shoot other monsters.
>>11392652I guess fun isn't for everyone.
>>11389830>WebmWhat mod?
>>11392645Any tight setpieces that are not immediately obvious and require trying different strategies and priorities to solve. Actually if slaughter requires some particularly tricky crowd control strategies, it's also kinda this, but often this is something with low monstercounts.
Any idea why TexMex showing those downscaled versions of textures? Are they used it game in any way?
>>11392645Play this starting from map 3 (first 2 are just warm up):https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/129483-pocket-slaughter-32-map-mbf21-megawad/
>>11392696thanks i'll try it after work
>>11392685Mipmaps for when geometry is far away? You can turn it off in a lot of newer engines, but if you load up vanilla engine E1M1 and look at the far wall whilst moving back and forth, you'll see the engine swap out between the different scales of textures>>11392461Ter Shibboleth.>>11392553Why would you cut it off, the way you get into the inner circle of the Doom Community is you have to top ten bottom chasers they like that shit over there!!
>>11392553You need to make better maps instead blaming everyone for not aknowledging your shitty maps. Plenty of our guys have gained status as known mappers. Sure you can cut your dick, nipples or even your head off, but you are still shit mapper, if you a are shit mapper. Less ego, more learning. Git gud.
>>11392258My favorite “pre-quake FPS” is still Doom but I’ve found a fondness towards Zero Tolerance (the game, not the mod >>11392595)>>11392656Mistake of Pythagoras, a mod I tried forever ago but never finished.
>>11392767>bottom chasersexcuse me sir, i am not fluent in gay, but doesn't 'bottom chaser' mean one who chases bottoms, aka a top?
>>11392775To become a master of homosexuality, one has to succesfully be both bottom and top. To become a carriage of the man train.
>>11392767> MipmapsAh right, makes sense.
>>11392595Zero Tolerance remake for doom?
Hey, Eraser hands anon, if you're still around, the DS addon is slightly outdated. The Dragonfire got updated to have a scope a couple of weeks ago. Just got a report about this on Gitlab. Hit me up with an updated link sometime so I can update the website.
>>11392770but I'm le tired
>>11392804I’ll get on that.
>>11392645It's when you get too insecure about being called an edging slaughtergooner so many times that you piece together a map that requires some basic tricks like guiding rev fireballs instead of directly shooting in order to claim a semblance of sentience
>>11392645I once made a level where you pick up a Chaingun and a room above opens with 4 lost souls and then you can easily run jump into that room next an elevator to get a few items and one of the reviewers congratulated me on puzzles used in the map, what the fuck?
>>11392893You're such a petty bitch.
>>11392893> guiding rev fireballs instead of directly shootingIt's more about figuring out the best path to run around and best monster priorities, not about situational trickery.
>>11392893You seem like the kind of guy who cries about the Cacawards being a shitty circlejerk, yet still clamors for them to recognize your work.
>>11392553I just contributed to a bunch of /vr/ projects and someone made an entry for me and even pulled out my single-map idgames submissions.
>>11392908Modern players are brainlets, so anything that is not a straight corridor/arena with stuff to shoot is considered a puzzle or "unclear progression".
>>11392553Have you considered applying yourself?
>>11392940This isn't true.
>>11392941No that's gay, I want to earn a spot.
https://clovr.xyz/wadsup/doku.php?id=dark_7Gunrock is a recognizable name, despite a very brief acquaintance from which I reasoned I'd find all his work unpalatable to my highly cultivated gamer senses. Not sure why actually, and which wad exactly left that impression. I previously assumed before there was something wrong with the submission form, but someone is apparently setting titlepics to the side on purpose? I might do that myself too if it looks good, no strong opinion on that.>>11392939>someone made an entry for meProcess could be automatic, I've encountered "this page is a stub, make an edit if needed" notices plenty of times. Only that wiki creates an entry after enough project articles were manually submitted with your exact name credited, someone did that for /vr/ projects.
>>11392621Even the idea of gaining some minor level of fame or recognition preys on some people's minds.
>>11392958What I dislike about doomwiki, is that their local contributors don't think twice about revealing personal names with countries of residence, and seem to do so without any permission. One might say "once it's out, it stays forever" and it's the chummy blabbermouth's own fault for sharing credentials on some bulletin board as it was a state bureau, but wiki-editors' obsession with details is just plain creepy.
>>11392986You get really obsessive ones over mappers where every granule of information must be listed, and then some like Kegan's page are barebones as fuck and even miss a mod or two.
>>11392258I love the punchy sounds BS has
>>11393009Don't jinx him now.
>>11392427>everyone starts with two.Not always? Well, not exactly in some cases.>>11392409>Rise of the Triad 2013That game kicked off multiple groups and careers that are associated with that retro scene now: Slipgate that bought 3DR years after, New Blood helping Dusk become a thing, Indefatigable with Amid Evil, it gave nu-Apogee some kind of relevance for a good while and also Hulshult practically owns his career to ROTT 2013.It shaped that scene. For better and for worse.
new thread whendo
>>11393071>Not always?alright... almost everyonehappy?
What the shit is this Steam Input bullshit? This wasn't here when I last tried playing HL2.
>>1139321220A update feature.https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/steam_controller
>>11393225I kind of hate it, HL2 used to work with my gamepad before, but now I get some Mickey Mouse bullshit where it assumes that I'm using a Playstation controller or something.There's no goddamn X, Circle, Square, or Triangle on this thing, what the hell am I supposed to infer from this?
>>11393239yeah its fucked. there are settings and remaps and stuff but i just resigned myself to not paying attention to button prompts anymore
>>11393261With a lot of fucking about with it, I got it to almost work, then it fucked itself, then it stopped working at all, then I managed to fidget with it to seemingly work (we'll see what it does).Also what the fuck did they do with modding now? I'm trying to replace the pistol shooting sound but it doesn't seem to actually recognize pistol_fire2 and pistol_fire3 as files anymore, did they change their definitions?
>>11393239>FPS on gamepadAnon, this is 30+ thread.
>>11393270If you don't play with a gamepad and mouse at the same time, you're not playing optimally. My fingers don't enjoy WASD very much anymore, so I try using an analog stick for that instead.
>>11393270>>FPS on gamepadNot him but yeah this was fun >>11392772>>11393272>>If you don't play with a gamepad and mouse at the same time, you're not playing optimally.This is strange though. “Optimally”? For these singleplayer shooters?
>>11393272I would rather use kb+gamepad combo to avoid using mouse because carpal syndrome but gamepad aiming still sucks, sadly.I loved gyro aiming in Splatoon on WiiU, but Dualshock 4 gyro on PC is not that good, and what's more important, gyro is not much better than mouse when it comes to health problems.
>>11393268I somehow solved the pistol sound thing.Now I wonder if there's any way to make Gordon insert the shells into the shotgun slightly faster, it feels like he's really taking his time. Was this dependent on the animation itself somehow? I think some weapon behavior was.>>11393283It's subjective, naturally, but I enjoy the analog control I get over movement (also face buttons), but combined with mouse aiming.>>11393287That's harsh. My wrists have no complaints about mouse though.
>>11393287>>11393283Non vertical aim shooters are ok on gamepad. Stuff like Quake is passable since it has very little inputs, but anything more complex than Half-Life is a no go.I say this as a person who finished Deus Ex on PS2.
>>11393283Could someone PLEASE remake this game on doom
https://vocaroo.com/16cnyhlFWO9Q
>>11393295>>It's subjective, naturallyYeah that’s the one. I enjoy all the hotkeys around WASD for instant switch gratification. I’d have to get comfy using my left hand for “the claw” for something similar on half a gamepad.>>11393297Dodging in Unreal/UT is a pain in the ass, too. I played a few hours of Unreal with a joystick and mouse.
are there any wads with genuine unironic kino lore?
>>11389004Is that Slovak? What the title of thread will be? Maybe it's a bit too early for festive OPs after all.
>>11392818Okay take a nap, THEN MAKE BETTER MAPS!
>>11393272Analog sticks are worse than WASD.
>>11392553They automatically make an entry for you after you make 5 or more maps I think, I have same situation as >>11392939
>>11393443I don't agree, WASD is at best like fully segmented DPad, you have four separate inputs which can be partially paired up, and that's it. An analog stick gives you full radial and variable input in 360 degrees, you're not locked to just 8 directions with one movement speed.
>>11393475That sounds good on paper, but sucks in practice when you actually want precise movement and need to change directions quickly. I'd rather use a d-pad than a stick for movement.
>>11393239>not having the PS button positions memorizedUnlucky. Also I think the button symbols is a setting you can control in Steam.
>>11393475Mouse aiming with analog movement is pretty great, the only downside is losing out on some of the surrounding buttons unless you're using one of those specific half-controllers with like twenty buttons around it.
>>11393501Flicking the analog stick is virtually instant. I haven't noticed any drawbacks when it comes making instant direction changes. Again though, it's subjective.
>>11393475>An analog stick gives you full radial and variable input in 360 degrees, you're not locked to just 8 directions with one movement speed.Any encounters or fights where this made a notable difference?
>>11393514I find it's nicer for me with doing larger strafing motions, in addition to just strafing in general.
>>11393162>happy?No. I'm depressed.
>>11393512Have you ever tried to get all the secrets in Sigil using a controller?
>>11393540I never got around to finishing it. I should though.
>>11393529Yeah I’m finding it “feelin’ nice” to be the only real noticeable difference. It’s a pleasant contrast compared to “mouse vs. analog aiming”.
>>11393546Anything that requires an SR40 to reach sucks.
>>11393343MyHouse, The Settlements, Liminal Doom and Liminal Doom 2, if you like all that backrooms/liminal spaces lore.
>>11392804Should be good. Here's both links:https://www.mediafire.com/file/gxkrcep6ed3b1vl/Dstrider_wraithhandsaddons.zip/filehttps://files.catbox.moe/gqjjv4.zipSorry that took all day, got real busy after posting >>11392843
>>11393343Megaman 8-bit deathmatch, but you need to go through quite a few bot matches
>>11383925https://youtu.be/cvO1fiaUE_I
>>11393630why does myhouse keep getting lumped in w/ backrooms horseshit when that's a section you can only access by cheating and is disconnected from the rest of the wad.
>>11391997>Cleanupit's actually Cleanout
>>11393819Because it's all liminal horseshit. Lots of spaces you'd go through on your way to another place, 00s nostalgia, creepy kid shit, poolrooms, non-euclidean, geometry, House of Leaves references out the ass, etc. MyHouse might as well be liminal spaces: Doom edition.I like it, personally. Definitely gives me ideas for a wad where you go to a house and find a house within a house within a house within a house within a...hoo, got a little woozy there.
>page 9thread WHENDO
>>11393915*walks through subway station* wow this is very liminalmost of the stuff myhouse takes inspiration from predates the backrooms as a concept and "liminal spaces" as an aesthetic. it's way above those subcultures
>>11393935>>11393935>>11393935>>11393917Right now, friendo.
