Bringing in the new year with more leaks. What's your /vst/ new years resolution, /tno/? Mine is to try and get into more old RTS titles instead of playing Paradox stuff all year.https://gofile.io/d/Z2NBUb - Zip full of leaked charts for Bormann, Brazil, Canada, Italy, Denmark, Egypt, France, Japan, Kaukasien, Mexico, Norway, Palestine, Turkey and many more reworks that'll never release!https://files.catbox.moe/j8tp21.pdf - December roundtable notes. Germany and Brazil never.https://files.catbox.moe/xlhrjj.pdf - Sweden proposal. Dev lurking in the thread, will respond to every comment about it.https://files.catbox.moe/ycctp0.png - Sweden flowchart. The OTL-ism is only interrupted by scenes lifted from better games.https://files.catbox.moe/uq883w.pdf - Brazil-Argentina war design doc.https://files.catbox.moe/l70qhw.pdf - Burgundian Eulogy: Burgundy 2 was real but got scrapped like everything else.https://files.catbox.moe/zff5y4.pdf - Serov "facelift" document. The first leg in the now confirmed Komi rework.https://files.catbox.moe/ymgaur.pdf - Amur rework doc. Over two years in dev hell, still no release date.https://files.catbox.moe/48jovf.png - Kingdom of Montenegro flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/xfzdpv.png - Croatia flowchart #1.https://files.catbox.moe/n2227q.png - Croatia flowchart #2.https://files.catbox.moe/8oi80v.png - Old Bulgaria. You were robbed of Bulgaroslavia, anon.https://files.catbox.moe/2ru4q1.png - Thailand flowchart.https://files.catbox.moe/iwmxg6.pdf - Manchuria doc #1.https://files.catbox.moe/cgaqrz.pdf - Manchuria doc #2.https://files.catbox.moe/y2hc34.pdf - Manchuria doc #3.https://files.catbox.moe/96kjev.pdf - Manchuria doc #5.https://gofile.io/d/J1Cd2X - German themes tone doc.https://files.catbox.moe/3n9lq9.pdf - New Granada walltext.https://files.catbox.moe/r86sw7.pdf - TNO Colombia 200p ultra walltext.
https://files.catbox.moe/cdag1w.pdf - Vote Pig, the US rework proposal. Read all about this hot new TCT mod.https://files.catbox.moe/izg02l.png - 6th (?) space race mech rework mockup.https://files.catbox.moe/2ln5tz.png - New Congressional mechanic leak.https://files.catbox.moe/3ynutc.png - More Americanized Denmark GUIs.https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree mega leak.https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".https://files.catbox.moe/0iyr6c.jpg - RepubliKKKan GUI (yes really).https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design. Half of Germany still has its content disabled by the way.https://files.catbox.moe/edk50c.png - Costa Rica design chart. No, none of this will ever be playable.https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart. Many happenings, out shared outcome.https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal. Years of work flushed down the toilet for less gameplay and no wars.https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.https://files.catbox.moe/0m6sx5.png - Starting map of the new Caribbeanhttps://files.catbox.moe/fgb3kj.png - Starting map of the new Moroccohttps://files.catbox.moe/zh06f9.png - British Guiana flowcharthttps://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowcharthttps://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore documenthttps://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO
>>1928089How many threads do you need, faggot?>>1922738
>The deluge of leaks continue as devs revolt and drop even more documents spanning hundreds of pages, numerous flowcharts and more.>Rapop refuses to leave for failing to release Brazil and pretends that he never intended to.>Corn refuses to put out a new Russia dev diary, proceeds to instead repeat last year's promises on Reddit while hoping no one would notice.>Notorious vexatious litigant and devjanny Kateryna raids /vst/, mass leaks own chat screenshots to defend a Wiki scrape for some reason...?>Rework Reich fractures: 2WRW going solo, sparking hopes for a proper Redux.>Nature heals: Men and the regular map to be restored, many reworks will not be integrated.>The ideological purity test continues: anons discover that UltraNat is almost completely gone.>Rework woes: Untested map riddled with state bugs, Sayyid Qutb becomes clerical Nazi due to ideology wipeout and more.>Antarctica demo found to have close to no player agency as enemy admins can only be defeated via scripted events.>/tno/ in shock as Big Weld teases something that isn't an uninhabited island.>Anon stops caring again as most of it is built upon nu-TNO lore.>Ruthless TNO devs promise to punish its playerbase with a Chilean Antarctica demo; actual Chile content never happening.>/tno/ ends the year on a high note with its fastest bump limit ever, numerous leaks and 1000+ posts!It wasn't easy to go through a thousand posts of leaks and fighting but that should be all of them!
>>1928094That one was made early by some random and the OP didn't include 95% of the leaks. The thread largely decided to ignore it as a result and post a new one once we'd gone through half of page 10 as normal.
out of loop anon here, can someone explain to me what happened with poland update? ukraine dropping before poland was the most retarded thing corn ever did
>>1928103Allegedly, no work was ever made on Poland and the thing was scrapped because there was almost nothing there and what little did exist was bad. That's the official story. If you want to take a gander at the previous thread though:>>1924248>>1924307"It never existed so nothing was cut/reworked" is a standard issue go-to lie for devs so your guess is as good as mine what actually happened as proven by this case of someone denying the existence of something and an anon (former dev presumably) leaking a document about it being cut.
>>1928089>>1928091What's the point of doing all of this instead of adding playable content?
Remember back in 2020-2021 when the original devs promised 7 or more years for several countries in one update? I seriously don't know if they were naive or actually determined back then.
>>1928109Probably meant it. Other mods can and have done it. OWB for instance puts out lots of playable tags in all updates with lots of content. Problem with TNO is that they decided to rework everything over and over again.>>1928107Readable "content" >>> playable content
>>1928089>tno devs complaining about how they're getting rid of paths of yockey because they are "unrealistic" and americans would never support national socialism>meanwhile the tech ceo of the largest sovcial media site who is best friends with the president managed to turn a large chunk of their voting base into ethnonationalists because he wants to take in a shitload of indians for cheap labor instead of using the mexicans across the border
>>1928095CoolThe last three threads were quite a show huh
>TNO puts out another shitty update and changes the logo to confirm that they've been fully annexed by the VN gangIt's so fucking over.
>>1928089>The Colombia documents have entire sections about sports teamsAt least they know where their priorities are.
>>1928089>>1928130
I hope Mango and his shitty fulfillment fantasy burns in hell where it belongs.
>>1926788guy was posting bits out of a tomsk flowchart in the last thread does anyone have this in full?
>>1928140That might be all there is to it. It's pretty old and they just got finished moving Gorbachev out of Moskowien. We haven't heard a peep since then. Russia dev is very good about starting reworks but finishing them is another story.
>>1928131>>1928130>war simulator?
>>1928089can these niggas just drop the turkey update already? i need kara boga
>>1928187anon.. turkey.... is not even close to being half complete
>>1928110that roadmap brings me back.a real "what could have been...."
>>1928204Mein Führer...Turkey...
>>1928187>>1928204Turkey dev was rebooted, it's less than half complete.>>1928206Alas, all of it was remade from scratch.
>>1928089>Kasche's Moskowien is now gone forever so that he can do nothing in Kateryna's skeleton tag and then get fired off-screen so that Germany can proceed to allow Sweden to have a nuclear program aimed at them>Foka gets special mentions in the credit for allowing this awful change
>>1928089wtf happened to tno , whenever i see someone tno posting it s all about guangdong ? did the dev group get co opted by novelers ? how many years has it been and no minor power has any focuses ? france (minor lol ) romania hungary bulgary sweeden finland ? no india no turkey ? looked in the thread and no muscowy XDand they develop the south americas which weren t really even in ww2 ? can someone give me the gist on why they did this
>>1928217excuse me! india has a 2 year demo coming up!
>>1928219>2 years>2 more weekslooked at the workshop page , they re making something about german antartic expeditions ... why ?also 2 year demo for the massive indian subcontinent/country + no content for any other minor axis nations ... or at that no other country which fought in ww2 this is retarded , don t know why i even posted ITT
>>1928224>, they re making something about german antartic expeditionsthey didn't even make that, that was a submod 2 years agohungary, romania, bulgaria are not even in active development
By the way, they removed Nowa Polska's culture in Khazakstan in the DF update.Here comes the "It didnt ever had content and/so nobody ever liked it" from the devs.
>>1928217>>1928224Stop typing like Robbie if he had mental palsy
>>1928217>all about guangdongGuangdong is generally considered their last good release, everything else has been polarizing at best.>did the dev group get co opted by novelersIt was hijacked. Everyone that made the original content is gone or irrelevant now and the mod was essentially reworked from scratch.>and they develop the south americas which weren t really even in ww2 ? can someone give me the gist on why they did thisLATAM team is different from the others and they actually manage to release content because they aren't as dysfunctional, cliquey and chaotic as the others. It's still not good or on time, but the fact that it's not a revolving door of purges does help.>>1928232Virgin TNO: Deletes every trace of Nowa Polska because it's an affront to realism.Chad 2WRW: Pledges the return of the Kazakh CW including Nowa Polska.
>>1928111>>meanwhile the tech ceo of the largest sovcial media site who is best friends with the president managed to turn a large chunk of their voting base into ethnonationalists because he wants to take in a shitload of indians for cheap labor instead of using the mexicans across the borderTFR Trump would never betray the American people like that
>>1928256>TNO takes half a decade to painstakingly make its America into the world's shittiest TCT mod>TFR takes months to update a major tag with a new badass routeTNO just can't stop taking Ls.
>>1928256>>1928257This is a TNO thread, don't bring dogshit TFR into here.
>>1928337Yeah this is a thread for dead mods without content, nigga shouldn't post actual content from a mod that's alive and well here. Like shouting at a funeral ffs.
>>1928337this thread is indeed for TNO but we will compare it to other mods. you know so that TNO can learn from them, that's kind of the spirit of any artistic pursuit
>>1928366>Devniggers learning from their own failures >Devniggers learning from others successesComedy gold.
>>1928342>without contentman you are so dumb, they added a 2 entire years worth of GUIs in Antartica3 NEW TAGS. THATS 6 YEARS OF KINO.
>>1928541I legit can't tell if you're making fun of the devniggers or a seething devnigger doing damage control since the last thread was full of TNO jannies doing damage control with these exact arguments.
Imagine if instead of elections being decided by focuses and minigames there were event chains simulating twitter/r*ddit political debates, and you had to choose correct responses to persuade your opponent that your strain of extremist liberalism is more pozzed than that of your opponent
>>1928664Wait a minute, that's just Victoria 2
>>1928337Kys yourself mango/kateruna, you should feel honored that /tno/ is graced by a mention of a mod infinitely better than anything you will (n)ever make in your life
>>1928664Finally, something Mango and QPQ are qualified to write.
>>1928664that's just the campaign trail and it's generally a shit idea
>>1928677>that's just the campaign trailI have no idea what this means...
>>1928694the campaign trail is a browser game where exactly what you said happens. it's a list of decisions (generally 20) and these will determine the outcome of an election. it's a good game but i dont think it fits TNO very well
>>1928674>speerite88Kek, this faggot.
>>1928696It's less about it being good or not and more about the fact that he's force-feeding a completely different genre on a playerbase that bought the game to paint maps using the blood of mangled infantrymen. Total genre shift and he has the gall to ask why people hate him.
>Mango was so assmad because no one likes Hart that he added this to the USA folderWhat a seething faggot lmao
>>1928256>tfrWARRIORS>new toozer nearly on the daily>the toozers? Kino, without doubt. Everytime.>the release date? foreseeable future>tnoKEKS>new toozer every month (It's about the complexities of being a transgirl in japanese occupied micronesia)>the toozers? SLOP.>the release date? 2054, only for skeleton.
>>1928824Please be mindful of the fact that perfection takes time, bigot. The starting situation is in 2054. The actual skeleton comes in 2089, reworks not accounted for.
>>1928826>not even 5000+ events about the micronesian transgirlThis is not up to current standards. Push it back to 2200. Lots of yikes.
>>1928824TRVKE....
>>1928830>the update is already THIS KINO and we haven't even seen the Cascadia, LoS, BB and AoF contentTNObrothers.. we might as well put the gun to our head..
Oh no no no, kateryna isn't gonna like this...
>>1928830>perfect setting>yet no national bolshevik path because Limonov died in 2020i am so mad, Limonov is one of my favourite russia personalities and i dont get paths for him... actually fuming
>>1928837it wouldn't shock me if they'd add something like that later onI remember seeing something about it I think
>>1928830>AnCap RussiaTFRchads, I kneel...>>1928831>TNO 41%s itself after transitioning into a beautiful TCT mod>>1928836If you're trying to bait him, post and laugh at things from the proposal like how the left-wing wave is just the Mexico student massacre copy-paste (in terms of literally just being OTL copy-paste) without any violence.>>1928837Imagine not being a Zhirinovsky appreciator.
>>1928842>Imagine not being a Zhirinovsky appreciator.it's not even about the politics (though i do appreciate Limonov's thinking), it's his actual personality. he fucked 16/17 year olds when he was 60, he ended up living with a prostitute at some point while he was still a politician, he shot with the serb leader in Bosnia the same guy who later would be committed of war crimes, he admitted having gay sex with a homeless man in New York. like holy shit how did this person survive to 77 years of age is beyond me and we have the opportunity to get him in a fucking hoi4 mod
>TFR gets vichy content before TNOmight as well rename the thread to TFR thread
>>1928842>Imagine not being a Zhirinovsky appreciator.My man
>>1928846I now know a lot about this man that I wish I hadn't.
>>1928850he has no shame about it too btw, he wrote these things in his autobiography i read which actually covers only 10 years of his life. he also makes a lot of connections between himself and Goethe's Faust. he definitely had some kind of mental illness i cannot for the life of me decypher
>>1928846faggotry is the single reprehensible thing of the ones listed, but I'm assuming it doesn't end there.
>>1928848Oh yeah? Well the TNO one releasing sometime after KR's Hungary update is going to have a GUI where you play a slot machine to earn tokens to spend on reforms that when accummulated will improve your poverty rating! So there!2WRW Redux devs if you're reading this: Please do what TFR is doing and not what TNO is doing when making new content.>>1928854Not gonna lie he sounds so schizo that you might want to do something more than just regular NazBol.
How do you feel knowing that we will never get this?
>>1928830Shit slop with lame art and trash effects.>>1928848You sound like an utter retard.
>>1928962We'll get it before TNO finishes the first proper leg of its road map. If that turns out to be never, settling for a draw isn't the worst outcome given how embarrassing that has to be for them.>>1928963It's hilarious how butthurt the devniggers are that mods made by actual people that enjoy and play HOI4 gets done in a fraction of the time it takes for them to shit out their island skeletons, micro nation starting states and broken mini games. They just can't stand seeing people actually enjoy the game and have fun with it instead of reading their "sophisticated" misery porn about Nixon's white supremacist America.
>>1928963>Shit slop with lame art and trash effects.*Amazing kino with good art and great effects.FTFY
>>1928975Ha ha funny pictures good. Trans rights btw.
>>1929040>Ha ha funny pictures good.Yes>Trans rights btw.No
There is literally nothing unfunnier than a seething TNO janny/shill coming here and trying to epically own other mods. It really gives you a sense of what out of touch retards they are.
>>1928256this made QPQ seethe lel
>>1929114no way PUAHAHAHA
>>1928204>>1928207>>1928211NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>1929119It's even more grim than you'd imagine, looking at the chart posted before.Every single dem party gets forced reset as their end goal. While the radical kemalist non-dem path has a whopping 2 failstates that can also lead to the dem reset.All to supposedly "handle scope" through making dem parties into one big united blob. But that just sounds like a failure of design.
>>1928962Are those actual books or something?
>>1929114Link please! Was this really in response to something TFR related?
>>1929204https://www.reddit.com/r/thecampaigntrail/comments/1hteadk/comment/m5cmo5p/Someone posted the toozer and it's reference to the American Carnage mod on TCT. The jannies, many of which are TNO adjacent, deleted the thread.
>>1929210Lmao
>>1929177>Failure of design The Turkey team lost their main mechanics designer as well as access to all those documents last year because of lead dev drama. So it's another case of meddling by the leads wrecking a tag. They also lost their original tag lead at some point according to one of the leakers in an earlier thread but no screenshot was provided for that.>Muh scopeSame people using this argument like Mango, Frost, Corn and Lamounier also think that reworking entire continents is manageable scope. "Scope creep" is only brought up when someone adds something they don't like. If they mention scope in this context that just means that the content stopped on someone's plot armor or something.>>1929210It still is insane to me that the same retards are ruining two communities. The same names drop left and right in the TCT thread too.
>>1929210>>1929217if anyone is asking themselves "how can both of these communities be run by such idiots?" i'd like to remind you that statistically people in power are overwhelmingly narcissists. this is no exeption, it's clearl QPQ thinks of himself as the greatest writer alive
>>1929218It's just crazy because it's not just idiots it's THE SAME IDIOTS. You're dead on about QPQ though that's for sure.
>Everyone who disagrees with me is TNO dev>TFR devs are actually active in vstProjection, much?
>>1929245TNO devs have come in here before to argue with people and then bragged about it on discord
>>1929245Bruh one of their lead jannies came to the last thread and shit it up relentlessly because he was butthurt people shit on his proposal by leaking screenshots from the devcord of himself defending it against every critique anons brought up.
>>1929245people have admitted to being TNO devs many times and everything gets leaked all the time so yeah
>>1929245We have yet to see a TFR dev here katerina, you're the one projecting
Don't worry guys, just a few pieces of loc left. Brazil anytime now!
>>1929245Look at all these leaks.>>1928089>>1928091Where do you think they come from? Yes, that's right - team members!Do you think only the ones that are unhappy with the state of the mod come here? Do you really think that they don't send their jannies here to keep track of the HUNDREDS of leaks that have happened here? Fuck off with that gaslighting. Everyone knows that many of the devs treat /tno/ as an extension of Doki where they can use slurs although let's be real the ones that are happy with the mod don't come here unless they have to (*cough* jannies) because of how hated they've become.>>1929265RESIGN YOU COWARDLY FAGGOT! RESIGN!
>>1929245Imagine getting ratioed on fucking 4chan.
You know this thread is serious when nobody has started shitting on the new DV toozer
>>1929459No one gives a fuck. That thing is so boring and OTL-ist that it makes TFO look like KX or TFR.
>>1929459>DV toozer?
>>1929468It's a dead mod made by some former TNO lead that's literally just OTL post-colonial Africa transplanted into TNO to replace the RKs. It's the most boring mod ever conceived of. Infamously declared too boring even for TNO.
>>1929467>>1929473shitty bait, DV makes Africa a million times more interesting
Weld come back even your shitty island skeletons are better than DV!
>>1929491How so?By making Africa into a transparent clone of Africa in our world?>oh but it's different because cameroon's borders are slightly differentEven DV's alt history is so boring it passes for OTL shit lmfaoAlso lmfaoing at the shill in previous threads around a year back who said that Africa was being represented betterYeah, making it so the only way anyone can interact with Africa is via the retarded CIA minigame that'll probably be reworked out by Mango and Co is such better representation, bro.
>>1929491it's postcolonial studies fanfiction lol, autistic fixation on "African Socialism" (it's wholesome and tropical and Has Never Been Tried because of the meanie evil CIA) with the typical obsession with depicting Africans as a "revolutionary oppressed mass" or whatever who just revolt as a hive mind because colonialism is mofuggin bad instead of a real continent with real political conflict
>>1929491How?So that instead of the SAW, perhaps the most fun conflict in TNO for multiple tags, you could get more forgettable influence mini games in the foreign policy tag, or more skeleton content nations which the player can't influence at all?
>Be former TNO dev>Slaved away on a passion project for years>Endless reworks and new decrees to adapt to other reworks>In the end it was all for nothing because everything was slated to be reworked into a VN>See TFR actually put out real content people actually like rather than some jackass wanted to force feed the players>Look back and see them only put out a Mexico GUI and an Antarctica novel in the meantime>"Great success in upholding our current standards"Remember that you should pray for all TNO leads to get cancer for how they treated us regular members.
>>1929792Why would you even want to work for those people
>>1929491>replace all actual combat with more random gui minigameswow, how fun, this will be as fun and loved as the dominican proxy war from ugly American
>>1929924I got really into it because I loved the setting and was smitten by the early release. With time the leads just became worse and worse. A lot of well intended people got roped in that way.
>>1929932Have you tried playing it recently? Since they added Mexico it's mathematically impossible for that side of the conflict to lose the mini game since now it's two on one and Mexico gets better and cheaper decisions than everyone else combined. Almost like no one's bothered to do play testing for Germany and America in years because everyone knows it's just getting scrapped for a rework releasing Soon™ anyway. Still some yucky gameplay left in those tags after all so the current crop of TNO "devs" don't even want to touch it.
>>1928806this got me wondering. any other good person would've maybe put something along the lines of "thank for your service". this wouldnt be a tribute (just) to the politician himself but also all those people that worked to code said politician in game. he seems to.. not bother with them, their worked flushed down the toilet is apperently good and Glenn deserves to get "rip-bozo"ed. i hope the reference is just towards the politician and not to the work itself of those people because if it is this man is psychotic
>>1930195>Critique of the politicianGlenn was a Democrat and his other merits are fighting Nazis in WW2, beating up North Korea and being a pioneer in space exploration so even if it's just on the politician - which it most likely is not - then it's still a total dick move since he definitely doesn't deserve singling out like that especially when there are far worse people there including on the cutting room floor. No, it's a middle finger to the old devs and the community who by and large liked Glenn when he was released and were unhappy when he was cut. Speaking of, the reason for the cut? The space mechanic that Mangooner & Co were totally adding which justified his deletion? NEVER RELEASING LMAO.
>>1930195>>1930199>R11. Do not insult each other, nor each other’s work, nor each other’s team. Each and every one of you are part of a team that we have all volunteered for, and behavior displaying anything less than professional is not okay. We’re a team, and we’re in this effort together.Mangroid can't even follow his own rules. What a faggot
>>1930199>hoi4 tno >a mod in which the natzis won ww2 > it has almost less wars than otl > the content released ( ups i mean someone wanted to do it and just did a skeleton on ) is about doing differential equations to get a spaceship into space if you want to play one of 16 american presidents after almost 4 years of development. are there actual tno fans out there or is this thread just haters
>>1930226The only ones who hate TNO are the devs.
>>1930226The thread is mostly haters, lapsed fans, former devs and Kateryna's janny squad with occasional celebrity guests like Big Weld showing up to lighten the mod. TNO alienated most of its original playerbase by shifting genres completely. A lot of old fans exist of course but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone besides Scaresith that doesn't have at least a handful of serious gripes about the direction. If you got into the mod because you wanted to see more wars in Russia, funny Nazi RKs or extremism in America for instance you have literally nothing to realistically look forward to.
>>1930233Not a bad way of looking at it. Most of us who hate the current direction of the mod used to love the mod and you can hardly say that about the devs that erased the entire legacy of the mod for their own political soapboxing.
>>1930241i personally dont hate the mod at the moment but im currently very much disliking every single new update
>>1930251I know the feel. The updates have nothing good in them. Island skeletons, mini games and bad novels. Everything you liked? Getting reworked. Everything you looked forward to? Six reworks since you heard about them.
>>1930272>Everything you looked forward toWell ackchually the only thing I'm looking forward to is even more developer drama, so far so good lmao, it's much more entertaining than the mod itself
During the civil war the Himmler's call to arms doesn't seem to work as i can only send 1 volunteer division. Any idea what to do about that? I can't really help much with just 1 tank division.
>>1930307They probably broke it and never bothered to fix it since they've been meaning to delete it... For several years.
>>1930328It's over...
Once more we can only conclude that /tno/'s clear-headed skepticism has proven correct and that the devniggers and their malicious fake hype proved wrong with regards to the India skeleton.The outcomes:>Wholesome Leftist Democrat #1 (X1.5)>Unwholesome Rightist Democrat #1 (X1.5)>Wholesome Liberal Democrat #2 (X2)>Wholesome Leftist Democrat #3Unwholesome Rightist Democrat #2>Stalina Komi 2.0>Wholesome Leftist Democrat #4>Generic Dictatorship #1>Generic Dictatorship #2 (X2)>Generic Dictatorship #3>Generic Paternalist #1>Generic Paternalist #2>Generic Dictatorship #4>Generic Dictatorship #5>Generic Paternalist #3>Wholesome Leftist Democrat #5>Generic Dictatorship #6All extremists from the old skeleton were removed, not to mention the pre-release India content. They then more than doubled the routes but most of it is, at best, a mildly regional flavor of things we've seen a hundred times already. No fascists, ultranationalists (RIP ideology), nazis or even communists. There are hardly even any interesting versions of the ideologies we have. With the possible exception of le personal dictatorship it doesn't get more exciting than a junta and most roads lead to a middle-of-the-road outcome anyway. If you're going to make all the content completely unplayable, at least make it fun to watch ffs.>Interesting routes never>Playable content never>You're going to send one (1) volunteer to make your SocLibs triumph over the SocNats and like it while giving handouts to niggers as Hart>You will have no gameplay>And you will be (un)happy
>>1930424I kind of agree with most of the routes...? But pushing in all these OTL leaders is very cheap Mexico stuff, having Indira there is such a massive meme completely worthless there. RoI paths are fine, nothing to pat yourself in the back for, peaceful reunification ones are overdosing on sleep pills, Bose and AH is the most interesting part of the setting, because it isnt just scrapejob otl, his paths though are somewhat uninteresting especially the dictatorship ones that are literally nothing ever happens. Its a decent foundation but a lot of work to do to make it mildly engaging. Lets hope they can patch it in the next two to three reworks /sOverall 6/10
>>1930445>FoundationNah dawg, this is never being developed further and if it is it'll be to remove the war and turn it into a GUI mini game for the control over Kashmir. AH is at least passable but at no point did they ever do anything memorable. Though in fairness to the dev if he'd have tried to he'd probably have been shitcanned like anyone else with an original thought.
>>1930047>have you played it recentlyI havn't played since the Britain demo came out
>>1928806>TNO dev >Hates what better people made before them>Shits all over their predecessors because they can't match themLike clockwork.
I just realized something.>Old lore about Himmler couping Hitler during the West Russian War is unrealismdumb and was cut>Nulore about Stalin couping Bukharin under similar circumstances is educatedsmart
>>1930863Well you see, Stalin was...le dumb.
So I was working on making a collage of Kateryna's Christmas raid (because it's the only interesting thing to have happened in forever) before the thread >>1919860 got archived and this ignored post stuck out to me.Apparently there wasn't just communism and coups present, but also wars and a Pakt membership on the table (presumably far-right content as well). If true, that'd line up perfectly with TNO's mandate to remove all wars like we've seen in France, Ostland, Moskowien and many others. Since /vst/'s unanimous feedback was that it sucked and needed more wars and funny ideologies, it really makes you think. Another case of TNO reworking itself to become more shit.>in b4 it never existed like old Burgundy 2.0 and India despite evidence to the contrary>in b4 it was never coded like Poland so it doesn't count>in b4 it was bad lore unlike the new lore so it doesn't count>in b4 literally anything except the nudev mandate to remove all wars of consequence from Europe so it doesn't count
>>1930918Old Sweden skeleton before Kateryna.https://files.catbox.moe/nv7qid.png
>>1930991you know what they say "ask and it shall be given"
>>1930918>>1930991Additional content.https://files.catbox.moe/gk10ds.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/yfckqs.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/dyauuk.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/68fz9a.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/w4sdt2.png
>>1930991>>1931000This is actully way older. It's part of some early drafts from 2021. It was all reworked from scratch due to the GCW being cut. I know this because Jane (the Speer lead) joined it as a coder afterwards and it was completely different by then. Between 2022 and 2023 you had more toned down versions being worked on. The dev of that didn't want to rework it a third (fourth?) time to remove all the wars and left some time after The Ruin (ie when Germany got it's plot armor). So now you have nothing ever happening instead. Tale as old as time. You can ask about it the lore on the 2WRW server since they inherited all old Nordic content from the Pacifica era. It's also why they're expanding the Finnish civil war instead of cutting it for instance.
>>1930424We have Komi Stalina at home:
>>1930875Radlibs taking over the team and its consequences. Actually I have no answer for it. It's just dumb. To be honest both should be cut. The really old lore of Russia losing because the USSR never developed any heavy industry to conduct the war was a lot better because you could at least suspend your disbelief over it. At least they did something fun with Himmler's coup back in the day.
>>1928089I haven't been paying attention to this mod's development in the last year or two, did they seriously remove Burgundy? What the fuck? And the NPP is gone? Fuck, I really wanted to play that Yockey/Pierce presidency. Are they going to remove the Russian Warlords too, next?I was never a massive TNO fan, but I at least enjoyed playing the crazy routes to see how much damage I could cause to the world. Yeah I know that sounds edgy, but it was genuinely fun, and almost made up for the lack of actual war in the wargame. Why is all the content centered around minor powers? I do not give a singular shit about what Granada or Egypt are doing when there's so much incomplete with the main actors of the cold war. In other words: Where is all the fun supposed to be?
>>1931160>did they seriously remove Burgundy?Burgundy was decided to be removed in 2022. For a while, they were simply going to rework it to be a different kind of SS tag but in the upcoming Germany rework it'll simply start out as annexed into the Reich at the start. We also recently learned through a leak that all of the Nu-Burgundy content has been removed from France as well.>And the NPP is gone?All US politics will revert to Democrats and Republicans in the US rework. You can still get a fascist but it's just evil Republicans that destroy freedom out of a hatred for all things wholesome. Devs are Democrat activists with MSNBC brain rot btw.>Are they going to remove the Russian Warlords too, next?Russia is in perpetual rework hell. Serov will be moved out of Komi, Tabby and Yazov are getting events removed, AB is getting reworked, Tomsk is getting reworked from scratch, all old Moskowien stuff is gone, Amur is being reworked, Men's unplayable for years ahead, I honestly can't even keep track of all the cuts and reworks. It's all gone or slated to be removed at some point.>Why is all the content centered around minor powers?Everything else gets reworked endlessly. The only things the leads don't meddle in are shitholes no one cares about. The current devs also don't care about the main setting and just want to write about OTL centrism in the cold war. See: Mexico and other new tags being Wikipedia scrapejobs.>Where is all the fun supposed to be?In the words of the devs you're expected to read the events and nat spirits as they pop up because "it's not a war game" any more and they're "moving on" from "bad" content. Picrel is a good example of their current mindset. Not straight outta Wikipedia? Unrealistic wacky slop that needs to go.tl;dr the mod is dead we're just here to laugh at the devs and commiserate about what could've been.
>>1930445>Only time that they don't do a Wiki skimjob is when they have to use their own imaginationGrim. But I agree that AH is the better one, thinking outside the box and not having a commissar demand that you read Wikipedia more thoroughly seems to do them some good as it brings us to the exciting heights of "bog-standard military dictatorship".
/ok this game sucks balls. Image playing burgundy and trying to make this mess work and then not only does it fail(which arguably is kind a kino) but the ending itself is total nothing burger. Also how come nuclear stuff is basically ignored? Seems like Himmler got over the nuclear gamer moment quite fast after first nuke happened. Also not being able to nuke germany was so lame. 0/10 Also devs really made sure that both himmler and reinhard suffer as much as possible.
>>1931160Nobody plays nuTNO, we're only here to laugh at it. You should download the good old TNO (pre-toolbox theory) and play it, it only ever evolved backwards since then
>>1931296Some new content was cool or at least stuff where you can understand why people like it. Guangdong is usually the example of that. But even if you grant them that there hasn't been anything since 2022. Way more cuts than addictions either way.
>>1931387Guangdong certainly wasn't bad, sure, but it wasn't good enough to compensate for all the other good stuff they removed
>>1931400Not by a long shot.
>>1931400what did they remove that update?
>>1928674>be "leftist" (lib)>see Trump win>spend all of election night basedraging about libsInsanely cucked behavior. Would be funny if it weren't so sad
>>1931411Nta but SD (that patch) didn't really remove anything I think. At most it could be lumped in with the slow boil of the time before things got really bad. In 2022 you still had people trying to make good things and some of them were actually allowed to release. Only got worse with time obviously as the current ruling clique got more control and ended up reworking the entire mod from scratch.
>>1931447You think that's sad? Both Mango and QPQ were huge Kamala simps from start to finish and only got to see what they advocated for lead to the biggest Democrat defeat in recent memory. The levels of coping, deflection and desperate internal rationalization were off the charts.
>>1928837Limonov actually died in tfr timeframe, like Zhirinovsky, so devs can revive him. Besides, for Nazbol path there is lunarist Dugin. And they can do another commie sub path for russia>>1928849Once again I am gonna brag that I met him irl>>1928130>>1928131You know, of tno regularly released actually content things like that would be pretty cool
>>1931458Are there any traces of their 2016 chimpout anywhere on the internet? Or were they too young to care back then
>>1931577I mean you can probably check their Xitters can't you? They're right there. Both are terminally online clout whores. There should be something. If you go there make sure to grab anything else that's fun so we can make another collage out of it.
>>1931645Problem is I don't have a xitter account, and it's one of those websites that's really anal about gatekeeping everything behind having one
>>1931652Make a burner account for science then? idk. Probably not worth the sanity hit.
>>1931652>>1931671>he doesn't know what nitter.poast.org or xcancel is
>>1931687Sorry I have 0 desire to look at that shithole but thanks I'll remember it.
>>1931687I actually didn't know what those things are, thanks
Today in QPQ lore: QPQ argues in the TCT general that Fallout's depiction of China is racist/orientalist
>>1931783We really need to get TCT anon to be our correspondent that supplies us with news and screenshots of the dumbest rags ruining both communities.
>>1931784i would post an screenshot of our Beloved HallFag saying >"You are, by far, the dumbest and most willfully dense motherfucker in this channel. It is a small miracle you are literate." but the hotel where i am on is rangebanned for some reason.
>>1931783Any screenshots?
>>1928806He's going to do this to Zhdanov, Tabby, Tukh, Yazov, Father Men, and Sablin too btw. Only boring grey Brezhnevite dictatorships and wholesome 100 socdems allowed here!
>>>1930424>No fascists, ultranationalists (RIP ideology), nazis or even communists. There are hardly even any interesting versions of the ideologies we have. With the possible exception of le personal dictatorship it doesn't get more exciting than a junta and most roads lead to a middle-of-the-road outcome anyway. If you're going to make all the content completely unplayable, at least make it fun to watch ffs.fucking bleak. mods ride or die on larp, and tno considers larp "slop"
>>1931878Doubt Corn would do that since he's the Russia lead. He has comically bad takes but he always struck me as well-meaning and simply laboring under the delusion that he's doing the right think. Mango, QPQ and the USA team are just straight-up assholes.>>1931883We were robbed...
>>1931897>picSOULI unironically would love to see an Esoteric Despotism BEEF path.
it sounds like they should have made seperate versions.one realistic the other following the direction of original tno
>>1931902Get on it, Reduxers!>>1931915Nu-TNO isn't even realistic. It's just a lazy Wikipedia scrape for the most part these days. But lifting content from OUR Wikipedia and then transplanting it into a world where all of Europe is under the Nazi jackboot like nothing happened is supremely retarded. Agree though they should just have made their own mod instead of demolishing something that actually had a playerbase.
>>1931897>a-are you fucking retarded? you chud piece of shit? t-that.. that PANZERLORE BUZZWORD GARBAGE?! YOU MISS IT?>heh.. I think you'll find our single proxy war and 50 conservative-liberal paths interesting enough BUDDY!
>loses aleutian islands>loses fiji>losing treaty ports>losing hawaiiwhy do tno devs hate Japan so much?
>>1931946>tfw shit Panzer made up as a shitpost (probably while drunk) never fails to eclipse the boring, curated Wiki scrapes the nu-devs slaved away on for years>>1931947>Teleports behind Japan>Deletes all its gains from winning WW2>Resets the timeline to nothing ever happensNothin' personell, kid.
>>1931948they also added a new setting where japan can choose (for some reason) not to intervene after vietnam and indochina becomes communist
>>1931950Why??
>>1931915The more I read about TNO dev work the more retarded it gets.>deleting all of a country's content for a rework>end up with less content>it's worse and less fun>this is done endlesslyAlmost forgot>endless reading which is only interesting for an hour
>>1931964It gets even worse>Delete content for a rework>Rework never comes>Don't put the old content back either
>>1931965Many such cases.
In a hundred years time, perhaps, a great man will appear who may offer them a chance at salvation. He'll take me as a model, use my ideas, and follow the course I have charted.
>>1932151My favorite Panzer quote.
>Try to post a collage of screenshots>Resolution is too large4chan making me become a TNO dev and cut content just to release it.
>updates? >Best I can do is a 3d model we'll release with a nation that'll never come out
>>1932484Fiji is getting 3D models?
>>1932492Manchuria is getting several building models in the map according to Yugo. Shame the map is completely fucked up and unusable lol that may have looked good if it wasnt for the 100+ locations jumpscaring you ennard style when you fucking zoom in. ghastly
>>1932517Yugo also says it's coming out this year. I doubt it. The leads will fuck him over again. I don't know why he even sticks around given how often he gets into flights. Has to be miserable.
