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https://files.catbox.moe/iicybx.pdf - Nixon characterization doc for writers. It's what you think it'll be.
https://files.catbox.moe/9p7n8b.png - Vote Pig Nixon tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/go9tnq.png - VP Reuther tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/ez4g4c.png - VP Schlafly path. Peak evil Republican fascism let's go!
https://files.catbox.moe/joltgi.png - VP Yorty tree.
https://files.catbox.moe/m1i3hv.jpg - VP rework leak, Hiram Fong replaces Romney scrapping years of work in the process because it "didn't fit the Republican narrative".
https://files.catbox.moe/71ilh5.png - Central America design.
https://files.catbox.moe/hi1h3m.png - China flowchart.
https://files.catbox.moe/djf9rg.pdf - Latest Moskowien rework proposal.
https://files.catbox.moe/9nqmlk.pdf - Iberian Wars rework document.
https://files.catbox.moe/5anjuv.png - 5 new Caribbean nations flowchart
https://files.catbox.moe/nlrpjl.pdf - British West Indies lore document
https://files.catbox.moe/s9rx4e.pdf - GGR Constitution for TNO.
https://files.catbox.moe/ptvdb1.pdf - Old Indonesia proposal.
https://files.catbox.moe/3v5h8h.pdf Leaked Yorty Doc, Exactly what you expect from mango
https://files.catbox.moe/omzl7q.png France flowchart, resistance is dead

>TNO:RA
https://gitgud.io/Ivanishvili/TNORA - TNO: Rises Again Git. Atlantropa TNO for current HOI4 with new content.

>LEAKED BUILDS
Just making sure these aren't lost again.
2021: https://gitlab.com/IllyaTokar/git-days-of-europe
2022: https://gitlab.com/retardedsolutions/git-days-of-europe/
2023:
https://mega.nz/file/bBFGHZJT#a4lNsnLLzHWHG1iic5yHwgL1kK1VAE5qmT2Iqi7k2EM - Hotline Manchukuo
https://mega.nz/file/TIMmVBKC#939MhfLfR3G0UQdenlK0R5AY54x8lGlnSs42H8BzHhw - Illusions End
https://mega.nz/file/SBtSmZAD#CDYh4s4SBz3GjvBSOjOpQ4RnGgaDhnq39ehNTVFzbhs - Penelopes Web
https://mega.nz/file/CZt1CZwa#O0Yfzil-VqfJBwH_yuWvGkbDK5XF7DG5iM7rdO-rqdg - Germany Branch
https://mega.nz/file/SJ0HjDrC#jeTd9dcOuCeNpAZvrM_tFJjaSKjWLhVpSibBVqj_eWg - Shifting Tides

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>news
Mango left the Campaign trail kek

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What are they gonna do?

>>2174016
Nothing. they'll just keep turtling and stay in their hugboxes.

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>>2174016
There's two different reduxes right now, I'd love to have five different TNO versions competing, each with their own vision, seriously

>>2174040
third one is going to be Minutes to Midnight, the realism clique that split from 2WRW.

Who's gonna be TNO #5, I wonder.

>>2174059
I don't understand the point of that one. What even is the point of splitting off if you're just going to be nu-TNO? Both of the reduxes make sense since they use different maps and have very clear differences from nu-TNO, but what's the point if you're just going to use the nu-TNO map and content and then bolt on the occasional rework? Why not just be a submod at that point?

>>2174073
it's being worked on by the Gopher clique who wanted Requiem to remain a TNO submod and fucked over the development of Omsk with map bullshit, so maybe it might just even be a direct TNO submod.

>>2174078
Either that or they planned on the Omsk update to crash and burn so that they could fill the void. Still I have to say that I feel bad for them. They bet on nu-TNO only for public perception of that mod to completely implode due to DV. There's also the snowball's chance in hell that they planned to supplant TNO by being nu-TNO with their own semi-realistic Africa rework but I don't think they actually planned that. The submod theory makes the most sense but Mango just fucked them over in the end.

>>2174086
What's the situation with Omsk anyways, was it decent? I was waiting for the red napoleon

>>2174098
Omsk is alright. It has lots of bugs and issues but most of them are from base TNO like unit balancing being bad, entire countries having a hard time to function at wartime because they were never meant to fight wars (all RKs) and all the broken scripts. It's still an alright experience, but they're going to have to put in a lot of work to un-nudev it for a lack of better way of putting it. RA feels more complete by comparison because its version had three fewer years of nudevs breaking it.

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Apparently Requiem is embracing orange as its color unlike TNO's light blue...is it either the dutchfag in charge pushing this through, or is this symbolism to deliberately sit on the opposite side of the color spectrum of TNO?

Not sure how to feel about it.

>>2174140
THE NEW VEGAS

>>2174140
It's apparently just a temporary thing for South Africa. Strongly prefer cyan in general but if it's just something to give a regional update a unique vibe it's ok I guess.

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>I believe in conflict and friction
>Which is why I turned a nazi WW2 victory mod into wholesome TCT simulator where there are no wars and conflicts
What a doofus lmao

>>2174168
>EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE ABOUT SERIOUS, ABOUT PUSHING DA MESSAGE, CHUD

God, What an absolute faggot.

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>>2174168

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>>2174168
>catharsis

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>>2174168

>>2173357
I know this is wish fulfillment but even for TNO standards how do you imagine this happens
Someone brought up the Spanish colonization of South America. Well, even in that scenario where the flu owned bajillions of incans prior and these had 0 fucking idea of modern weaponry before the invasion started, they managed to resist for 40 years.
How would you envision history playing out in 20 years so that you can play out your fantasies right in time for the start date?
I'm not trying to knock down your ideas, but I don't think TNO is the setting you're looking for, at least from a gameplay/mod perspective. At most you could stretch the lore so that England/France forsook Europe as soon as they lost and hyperfocused on enacting TND in Africa as allies instead of competing powers and the rest of the world let them be. Even so, by the 60s you could only play out the killing niggers part, forget about colonization, settling or society at large. Sorry, I just can't see it

>>2174487
He just wants what’s happening in Europe right now to happen in reverse

>>2174010
This mod fucking sucks

>>2174168
Why does this retard type in all lowercase

>>2174515
It's also completely fucking dead.

I've never played TNO, I have heard only bad things about it and the fanbase outside of 4chan seems very gay. A mix of listening to Ayden George and coming across >>2174016 on the workshop has propelled me into testing the waters. What is the rundown on the different TNOs and reduxes? What is the best? I can stomach some storybook stuff as long as it is not lame.

>>2174711
Requiem or Rises Again

Requiem if you want slightly more quality, Rises Again if you just want lots to do

>>2174711
Requiem is from KF, some autist is reimplementing all content and actually doing it really well, I hope he succeeds
Rises Again is from TNO team, will probably die from internal discord tranny drama(i think some chink already was ruining it)
TNO is only good because of Ashley, which is why I'm still keeping up with the threads.

>>2174716
I'd probably play Germany first, then Russia, does Requiem and Rises Again have significantly different content in this respect? I'm not a realism guy when it comes to vibes based mods but are the leaders authentic or more a parody? Either can be fine really but I heard some stuff about mainstream TNO having the Nazi officials having epiphanies of morality which sounds just awful, is this stuff in Rises Again and Requiem?

>>2174734
>some autist is reimplementing all content and actually doing it really well
That's the Atlantropa stuff, right? As I've never played it I can't really compare but I just know that what I have heard of modern TNO isn't good. What are the main things reimplemented?
>Rises Again is from TNO team
So how is it different? Just design philosophy?
>Ashley
I don't know who that is but seeming as it is a girl's name used in a Hoi4 thread I will assume it is a mentally ill man.

>>2174711
>>2174736
>>2174740
The above anon is wrong in their description. The two mods offer very different experiences and have very different goals.

Rises Again is based on a 2021 build of TNO. It lacks anything added after the first few updates, doesn't have the economy system and much more. But it offers a pure, close to the original experience with the old Atlantropa map. It also reinstates/finishes a lot of cut content from TNO, mostly things from leaked builds that the nudevs ended up deleting for having wars and gameplay. It also adds some fanservice content like focusing on funny Heydrich expansions. It lacks a lot of the future bullshit and complexities of modern TNO, but also offers heaps of conventional gameplay fun.

Requiem is based in a modified 2024 build of TNO, cutting off before the Antarctica map released. It has all the content of the Second West Russian War mod (ie more to do in Russia after unifying), and everything added after 2021 like Guangdong. It also has the new economy system in TNO, as well as many other modern features. However, that also means that it suffers from a lot of the cuts and other damages that the nudevs have done to TNO and the devs haven't been able to fix everything yet so entire routes like Father Men's anarcho-Christian Russia and Goering's Germany are currently unplayable. But just like how Guangdong is unplayable in Rises Again, these are just sadly the compromises you have to make since TNO was hijacked and destroyed by a clique of political spergs that don't even play HOI4.

tl;dr TNO:RA is very close to the original release warts and all but is an enjoyable and close to vanilla experience while TNO:R is closer to modern TNO without all the bullshit. Pick whichever of these sounds best to you. As long as you stay clear of the original and be mindful of the fact that these are fan forks by small teams (~3 people in the case of TNO:RA) you should be fine.

>>2174736
Heydrich sorta has an epiphany in Rises Again

>>2174742
Well, luckily Men will be returning in TLL from what I heard, and the GWR team is on Requiems side, so those two paths arent really lost there

>>2174711
If russia, america or guangdong seem good to you play requim. If anything from the rest seem good play rises again.
>>2174734
You got requim and rises again the wrong way round

>>2174748
Men returns in TLL, and they will update South Africa content to modernize the South African War. Apparently they're also going to do a ton of balance changes which is sorely needed because TNO hasnt actually seen polish in forever.

The Gorings Wild Ride mod is also compatible with Requiem

>>2174734
You got literally everything wrong.
Requiem was born from 2WRW and has nothing to do either with TNO or KiwiFarms. The Discord drama already happened, with all the people that wanted to return to being a submod for TNO splitting off to form Minutes to Midnight.
Rises Again is the one that started out on KiwiFarms but the dev actually has a small team of helpers now.
Ashley hasn't had anything to do with TNO in years. If you're keeping up with these threads for the hope of seeing Ashley's feet, it might be time to move on.

>>2174751
No he just got all of it wrong basically

For starters, Rises Again now has two people, not just one

Next, Requiem is NOT by the TNO team, infact they kicked the nudevs out.
Requiem also didnt have a chink ruining it, that has been indicated nowhere.
Further, Requiem also doesnt have "Discord Tranny Drama", I pay a decent amount of attention to the mod, and most drama was caused by... white, straight dudes.

And lastly, Ashley left the TNO team ages ago so idek what he means with that one

>>2174752
>I can play Goering in Requiem
How didn't I know this? That's sweet. Hope it becomes part of the base mod.

>>2174168
Is this why he kept “struggling” against the EAW devs until they had to ban him for being a cunt?

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>>2174765
This happens a lot. God knows why they send him out to be a diplomat. He's been kicked out of more servers than the Jews have been kicked out of countries at this point.

>>2174742
Thank you for the in depth explanation, it sounds like I will go with Rises Again. Though I like the sound of managing the economy as well it does not sound like it makes up for all the cuts. What's the most interesting Germany path? I know there is something about a German Civil War, is that avoidable/can you just keep it as some kind of insulated coup mechanic i.e. Death of Stalin?
>>2174744
He seems like that last possible one to have that.

>>2174592
'Weird Twitter'/'Dirtbag Left' thing.
Was QPQ too young to be on SA back in the day? How old is he?

>>2174778
Every anon who types in lower case looks like the same person to me.
>t. registered on SA when it was free

>>2174778
>>2174782
What About People Who Do This? What Is This Thing From?

>>2174775
The GCW isn't avoidable and happens in late 1963. ymmv on the best faction. Speer is a reformist with a lot of political wheeling and dealing, Bormann is balanced between politics and hard power, Goering is all hard power, and Heydrich is a hard mode that I won't spoil for you. There's a submod that let's you play Goering in Requiem as well, but Heydrich has unique content in Rises Again.

In terms of the cuts between them, bear in mind that Requiem also has made base content from TNO and adds more Russian content, so if the economy sounds fun then it's worth trying both since they each have their own unique things to experience.

>>2174800
I genuinely fucking hate "people" who Write Like That.

>>2174711
For a complete package I would say you only need Requiem since you have no idea how things used to be before hand which is what Rises Again is supposed to build upon. I prefer Requiem to because Atlantropa fucks with my map autism.
As for what to play: Amur, Chita, Samara, Komi, Sverldovsk for base warlord experience, Omsk and Novosibirsk for 2WRW. Other than that you have Yunnan, Goring's wild ride and maybe a short colony playthrough as a reichcommisariat in Africa.

>>2174816
>Atlantropa fucks with my map autism
What about the Congo Lake, librul?

>>2174816
Guangdong too

>>2174817
Congo Lake is actually feasible, people did the math on that one.
Requiem still has it btw if your critique was "yeah but it doesnt have even the congo lake"

>>2174487
This is a pretty good critique and I appreciate it. It is somewhat unrealistic but for the culturally europeanized and mulatoized bits I was thinking way in the long term, Tno would only see the very beginning of large scale settlement into the region. DV seems to me about putting down the local chimp outs and I was imagining what happens after the europeans restore order and what would be the ideal strategy to prevent future rebellion via settlement of whites into the region to act as a policing force

>>2174494
It’s also this too lol, It’s kinda funny how if you play tno right it’s actually better than otl

>>2174827
No I was just making sure you weren't a Mangoite. A true Mangoite Atlantropa denier would rather slit xir throat than admit that the Congo Lake is cool and plausible. Unlike the TNO jannies, you passed.

Is there some sort of compendium to read about the lore of the mod? Not the setting of course, the DRAMA

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>>2174881
Best summary we have is this meme from quite a while back by the original baker of these threads.
tl;dr a clique of realismfags hijacked the mod, installed their people and eventually started to rework the mod from scratch to remove every trace of the content people actually liked. Before that you had an incident where the the old devs got all their shit intruded on and other shenanigans but no one really cares about or remembers that, it's so long ago and everyone involved in it is long since gone.

>>2174817
When I look at Europe I have to see the boot.

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idek if anyone remembers this drama happened a little while ago, however i think its rather telling that this dude really does know small details like this

context
In late July someone decided to dox Requiems Codelead, and its possible that the codelead came on here and said "My relatives are working for the army bro"

now, I am actually serving in germany right now (total cultural victory), and this little tidbit of knowledge, or rather even two, for starters even just what aafes is, but for another that taco bell is only on US Bases due to a deal, might lend more credit to what he said

>>2174989
All I'm getting out of this is that the liberal nudevs from Minutes to Midnight that tried to dox him are just hella jelly that they can't get Taco Bell where they live and eat tacos in solidarity with the Mexican PoC that are being brutalized by Adolf Drumpler's ICE.

Overall, really sad and pathetic reason to try and dox someone, I might've hated them less when it was supposedly just over map painting beef (very pathetic), but this is just extremely pathetic.

>>2175046
nayrt, what the hell are you talking about jesse?

>>2175066
It's a joke about how 2WRW split between the nudevs and the normal devs. Basically Taco Bell is better than the Antarctica map which is pretty reasonable desu.

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TNO: RA Stuff
>If player South Africa totally defeats the RKs, they can choose to administer Africa themselves instead of relying on the Americans.

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>>2175522
Another thing coming is a Japan facelift
>The Japan Facelift is almost complete, and mostly just needs a few tweaks for sanity and to make sure the new systems are totally functional. Takagi and Ikeda's trees are both in. I've put Kido's Interregnum path back in and managed to find the Loc for it in the old files as well. Besides maybe re-implementing the Economic War and a counter-invasion of Indonesia, the next bit of work will probably center on Kido. I'll try to find a good place for Konoe considering he actually has some manner of Loc which is very helpful (since the old effects on cut trees need to be thrown out or reworked anyway).

>Here we have the fun part of Japanese politics, which is "getting murdered by a timer because proper balance is for suckers" and the total collapse of everything you've worked for. Eventually, you'll get a couple of paths from the transitions coming from those collapses. I've mentioned the transition trees, but governmental collapse is also how you were meant to get Konoe, Sasakawa, and Tanuka.

>>2175522
Fun I guess. Not a big deal but more options and ways to tailor your ending is always welcome.

>>2175523
>So many references to cut content
The most amazing thing to me about RA is how much it proves that the nudevs ruined when they hijacked the mod. While TNO is re-re-reworking Japan from scratch again with nothing to show for it, they could've released an actual update out years ago but threw everything into the trash. It's insane how much nearly finished content they deleted and if such a small crew can make it playable a lot of it must've been nearly complete.

>>2175523
It can't do wonders for team morale that one (1) autist is outpacing the entire team by simply finishing all the shit they poured hundreds of hours into before being forced to remove it all.

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A guy on the TNO reddit built a concentration camp in his Minecraft world for reasons I can’t quite comprehend.

https://old.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/1o9cryh/making_burgundy_in_minecraft_part1/

>>2175550
This is the kind of kino autism I live for.

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>>2175550

>>2175550
Unironically the best thing we've gotten since the Speer hoodie.

>>2174010
one of these days we will get a down the rabbit hole on TNO. It's lying in wait, and I think it's going to be happening, so much endless retarded drama over a HOI4 mod and well documented too.

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>>2175662
It will be so kino
>>2174758
>And lastly, Ashley left the TNO team ages ago so idek what he means with that one
Anon, you must believe.

>>2175662
That'd be hilarious.

>>2175669
You have to let go.

i'd donate to the nudevs if it meant ashley would be let back in

>>2175743
>>2175702
>>2175669
Ashley will come back to TNO in 2026. She is currently creating a brand new game, and she intends to help the Chinese development of TNO, and Mango will be irrelevant within TNO history once she returns to her promised throne. Trust the plan, the patriots will be in control, and will bring back Ashley.

Stop simping for some random AGP freak you cumbrains

>>2175750
She's literally the patron saint of the thread

>>2175750
Bigot

>>2175750
She is not a freak and she will save TNO

>>2175747
>>2175759
Anon, it's over. TNO is dead and Ashley isn't returning to this ship. It has sunken.

>>2175752
>>2175759
Again, literally who?
Stop simping for a tranny. /vst/ is not one person.
>OH BUT SHE'S NOT A FREAK
Yes
>she
is, otherwise "she" would just be a guy.

well, tno just got mogged again

>>2176287
Same as it ever was.

>>2176287
what happened now?

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>>2176321
TFR anniversary completely raped TNO's 5th anniversary. It's not even funny. It's really sad.

>>2176287
>>2176321
I feel like this post sums it up: >>2175830
The difference couldn't be more striking. TNO celebrated its fifth anniversary making its most hated announcements to date while TFR has taken a victory lap after a strong year.

>>2176391
The saddest part is that the post was mode before a majority of TFR's upcoming content was revealed.

>>2176251
Brown hands typed this post

>>2176416
>you are le brown if you don't simp for the tranny!
why is it the defenders of le white race are always giant fucking degenerates lmao

Yeah after the TFR anniversary we witnessed It's certain TNO will be finished, original TNO will in best case scenario release a mid to decent update once every year, I have my hopes that Requiem will manage to keep the legacy going and actually give content to that mod but the golden age is long over and nothing can revive that time after 3 years (well 4 till VP...best case scenario as I said) of no full major content but polishing proxies, skeletons and scrapping ideas

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>>2176592
Personally, I think Requiem stands a chance, especially since TLL is apparently just a month away.

>>2176592
the only good path in VP will be 100 years of Nixon.
they will make it so cartoonishly evil and preachy, it will loop around to being old TNO

>>2176592
Requiem has a chance to keep TNO alive but we also need to give props to Rises Again for preserving the TNO that the nudevs tried to kill. So TNO will live on, just through its fans instead of the out of touch team that clearly hate the mod they hijacked.

>>2176650
Agree, the seething will be hilarious especially with how mad they are about Trump. You literally had entire reworks just to make the Republicans seem more cartoonishly evil.

>>2175662
>well documented too
unfortunately most of the slackjawed videos are gone, only some are archived on archive.org

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I decided to keep making these. Source is the internet archive. If you want me to make a different graph just ask.

>>2176565
>why is it the defenders of le white race are always giant fucking degenerates lmao
>you need to be celibate and have one wife okay you cannot reproduce okay you need to respect "women" okay
>you cant have sex okay
go away nigger

>>2174419
>>2176656
This is the part i did not get about trying to dox them. Why bother put effort when they will rope a month or 2 after "yippie" when it doesn't save TNO and people will praise the Nixon path for being "schizo" like TNO was in its early days. The best part is, I still believe that base TNO could be saved. If you remove around 8 people from the team and replace them with people who know how to balance the type of content and fucking compromise for once. Then TNO could be doing a whole hell of a lot better. That is the just with Requiem but who knows if that can get off the ground. You just have to hope that Five is not a total retard who fucks up TLL and giving all the momentum for base TNO with Iberia and proving the meme once again that reduxes don't go far.

>>2175550
>Jannies deleted it
Why do they hate fun?

>>2176951
The reaction from various modding teams to TFR's release was hilarious.

>>2176346
>wordswordswords is good when le troonfr does it!!

>>2177047
Can you post some?

>>2176989
I think Requiem is safe now. They survived all the initial attacks and seem to have overcome their teething issues following the split. Also Five isn't a dictator like Mango, just a sperg sometimes and the other people there are just normal for the most part. Maybe there will be missteps here and there but I don't think there's a risk of implosion even if South Africa isn't good. TNO is busy killing itself and is just being slaughtered by TFR so that trajectory isn't changing.
As for the dox the guy seemed really low IQ and thought that Panzer still ran TNO but the less said about that the better.

>>2177050
Unironically yes. And it used to be the case when TNO did it too. Wordswordswords about interesting things like Catharsis or the best Russian warlords >>>> wordswordswords about nothing ever happening in Mexico.

>>2176989
That's a good point about compromises. Really, TNO had issues but you didn't see people completely hate on them in the pre-Mango era. You can arguably put the cut-off date for the cancer becoming terminal slightly earlier to 2023 with Lamounier introducing Germany's total plot armor but at least by then the nudevs had checks and balances on their influence that forced them to at least make nods to gameplay. Ukraine may have been railroaded into ruin but at least you could PLAY it. And people liked Guangdong and at the time liked the Brazil demo's balance between narrative and gameplay. If they'd just kept up some of that instead of doing two years of Mangoite TCT dictatorship we probably wouldn't even have had the reduxes and community schism.

>>2177129
>Lamonier clique bullies out Rei over a Sweden skeleton
>Rei goes to 2WRW, saves Omsk from dev hell
>Lamounier clique demands Heldenvolk change up its entire lore so they decide to switch over to South Africa, and then invalidates Heldenvolk with DV integration
>Five goes to lead 2WRW into Requiem
>Requiem fills up with exiles

They did the ENTIRE thing to themselves. It was entirely avoidable, entirely so, and they totally fucked it up because they were busy playing power games. While Rises Again is making a difference in really preserving the old; now we have to see if Requiem can put TNO itself to shame with their next update. If it's good, we can really start talking about TNO's demise when there is a proper modern alternative alive and kicking.

Anyone know why Requiem is so quiet, by the way, any leaks or what?

>>2177146
Personally, I have access to Requiem stuff, but I'm not leaking its stuff mostly because... theres no reason to.

The team is hard at work, they will probably release an update either before the DLC drops, or soon-ish after.

We are also getting a few drops here and there, like >>2176614 or >>2174989 and >>2174140

>>2177146
When you put it like that it really sounds like how Nintendo created the PlayStation by fucking over Sony on a deal. Except people actually like Nintendo games while Lamounier has produced nothing but rework proposals, but you get the idea.

>>2177050
Wordswordswords in TNO used to be kino
see: Tabby and Omsk.
Problem is that they no longer make anything interesting or edgekino.
The last interesting thing they added was Ukraine content. I don't care about the Mexico or Brazil demos.
>years in development
>meant to release together
>both release separately in short demos with unfinished paths

>>2176986
You're not having kids with a tranny you fucking mongoloid
ASHLEY
IS
NOT
A
WOMAN
No wonder we're going extinct

>>2177280
We should genocide people like you

Let us have troon wives if we want, that just means YOU can have more normal women.


Its an upside for us if the libs marry troons, because that means they dont reproduce. We'll literally be left with a large breadth of mates, because all the shitbrains take themself out of contention

You people are weirdos.

Wth is that ?

Anyway, currently playing Italian Algeria in TNORA, steam version, it's 1965 and for those who played it, is it normal that there is no more focus tree after you take the focus "a new Algeria" (went native Algeria but it's the same with settler I think) ? On the steam page it says Italian Algeria got content to 72, is the steam version buggy or does the content come later ?

German Africa content is laughably bad, it could be solved by not making Hüttig's killpeopleist GroẞAfrikaner Reichstaat inevitable, them being replaced by Débrouillez-vous is fucking deserved.

>>2177391
>German Africa content is laughably bad
way better potential than
>decolonized africa with 0 playable countries
>no free france holdout
>2 whole proxy wars

>>2177391
Fun fact TNO's Africa team actually had plans to do just that before the entire department was shut down and put on indefinite hold, in retrospect it seems solely to eventually make way for DV and the realism clique's schemes for the continent. This was several years ago and doesn't matter but if they'd spent just a fraction of the time they spent working on DV to add focus trees for the other two RK leaders we'd have much better content already. Instead they're spending more time to remove all of that and rebuild everything from scratch with zero playable content. Not only is DV complete shit and the lowest form of OTList Wiki-scraping but it also took more time and effort to make than the thing you say that you want. You're shilling for the thing that destroyed your wishes and you don't even know it.

>>2177416
GUYS IT'S NOT OTLIST THINGS CAN CHANGE IN AFRICA BRO YOU CAN DO PANAFRICANIST MEGA STATES SOMEHOW TRUST ME

>>2177294
fr anon seething at ashley is a dumb retard killing the west. fuck him and hope he dies

>>2177445
I get what Andrew Anglin said about the human brain being a justification and coping machine now

Does anybody have the flowchart of the UK post British Civil war (post Ruin version)? Iirc it included Michael Heseltine, who's still alive lol.

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TNO ART TIME

I asked this in the last thread but I’ll post it again here, If anyone has the chinese leaks of the tno dev version, Please for the love of god post them, I don’t care if I can’t read any of it, I just want to see what the devs progress has been

>>2177774
https://space.bilibili.com/385529615/upload/video
there is no git download as far as I know

New TLL Playtesting round started according to a friend, I'll try to convince him to send me some files and answer any questions youse have

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1pZhizME5b/
new video about the amur rework, good luck on the translations

Morning.
TNO is deader than a doornail.
All the jannies and mods are catatonic.
You can come back now.
>>2177089

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bunch of new images as well
https://space.bilibili.com/385529615/upload/opus

>>2177795
The Amur rework has had zero progress in at least two years, no way in hell that thing's coming out.

>>2177806
>France rework
Thanks for making sure we'll never see any of this, DV. Very cool.

>>2177803
Honestly, I kinda prefer this boards attitude and just general focus alot more.

TNO may be dead, but its forks arent. I dont want to have to go digging between trillions of TFR posts for someone talking about Requiem or Rises Again

>>2177852
It's funny because /tno/ is only really a thing because the mod is removing all gameplay (ie not really a /vst/ topic) and everyone fucking hates the TNO devs and jannies.

>>2177537
Somehow the original artist didn't intend for it to look like pederastry

>>2174774
It's REALLY funny that ponyfags have caused less issues and contributed more to the modding scene than this retard.

>>2177789
I know this board is slow, but just wanted to make sure it didnt get drowned out, if anyone has questions with TLL, ask away, we might not get another chance like this

>>2178016
what does postwar South Africa look like?

>>2178078
He says its a bit short, and he feels some of his pre-war choices or failures didnt matter that much apparently.

It is apparently one of the more unfinished parts in the builds

>>2178090
Unrelated to your question btw, but he says the balancing is way different from before and is closer to vanilla

Some AI stuff seems to have changed aswell, so either they are more smart, or just stronger now, he kinda struggled against them

>>2177806
Are those leaks scrapped content or wip ? Turkish focus tree is quite massive but there's a lot of focuses that doesn't seems finished, also the German stuff looks very nice aswell, too bad the team is too unefficient, we probably won't see any of this before 2027, and that's with current pace of thing if the dev team doesn't collapse

>>2178141
he posts both scrapped and wip content from the build he has

>>2178141
>Inefficient
It's more that they keep starting over from scratch every five minutes because new reworks bleed into other reworks.

>>2177789
still have that dev-friend of mine for base tno if there are any questions about future content

>>2178391
Im a bit uninformed but what is tll?

>>2178398
An update for Requiem that adds content to South Africa among other things.

The idea that the Nazis dam the Med, so Italy is just blobbing was seriously didn't make much sense t b h, added not much except atmosphere, really understandable for it to get axed. Also, it funny how some ppl dunk on TNO so much but I still love it today. It's a different game with different mechanics built on the Clausewitz Engine bones of HOI4. Yea it's got money and GDP and debt crises. Yeah, some stuff is low-key fanfic writing. I don't care. RFK's America still goes hard, Long Yun still kicks ass, Speer is still fun, and Russia is still interesting.

>>2178486
Most of us like TNO. The problem is that the devs hate it and are in the process of reworking the entire mod from scratch.

>>2178494
It's hilarious that the community loves TNO and the managers hate it, they put the dev in devil, how did this happen?

>>2178497
Leadership hijacked by a clique who got voted in and right after abolished elections. Said friend clique then went on a rework spree, derailing development more and more. That's it.

>>2178093
Interesting, I hope they dont just keep it Vanilla stats though.

As a stopgap I'm cool with it, but longterm I'd hope they adjust it to fit the setting, this aint ww2

>>2178502
What would cold war unit balancing look like then?

>>2178501
The rework spree is actually worse since the realism clique was actually around for longer. The Germany and US reworks have been around for almost half a decade now but as they got a bigger say they started to rework their reworks. See: Lamounier having all wars in Europe removed to preserve German plot armor, Mango replacing entire routes in America over personal politics - years after both reworks started.

>>2178507
nayrt but the changes they've been doing is making it more like vanilla and TFR. Vanilla in the sense that they removed the mandatory AT/AA from infantry and closer to TFR in the sense that mechs and tanks are meant to actually do their job again. It won't be fully like either, but it seems like the meta of infantry spam is gone and that cold war battles will be fought more with APCs, tanks and CAS. You know, mobile warfare.

>>2178507
Tanks getting progressively more vulnerable to Infantry (while also not if properly used), Planes getting progressively more OP and streamlined
Helicopter Divs should return and have an infinite supply grace
SpecOps should be the king of the board and almost single handedly change outcomes of battles if used correctly

Just, every niche needs to be filled in an optimal case I guess? Everything should be more vulnerable to everything.


Vanilla balancing also suffers of plenty issues of its own, Interceptors are useless, Artillery is pretty ass all things considered, and other obvious shit

>>2178518
Another thing should be the gradual shift to Motorized Infantry

Foot Infantry got phased out as time went on and just about every army worth a damn in the cold war was motorized

>>2178519
idk how doable this is in HoI4s code, but something thatd be cool to see would be electronic warfare

>>2178520
It's doable like most things you just have to abstract it. A Tactic in combat that gives the enemy worse breakthrough because you disrupted his comms, improved concealment, resistances to CAS, espionage/intel buffs/maluses etc.

>>2178391
Ecть нaдeждa нa oбнoвy в этoм гoдy. Я cлышaл o чилийcкyю Aнтapктикy и Ибepию, этo eщe в cилe?
There is hope for an update this year? I've heard about the Chilean Antarctic and Iberia, is it still in effect?

>>2178486
Yeah Remember when they removed atlantropa saying "It Will help with writing content for med countries" how much content did they release for france Italy Greece or Turkey? The only thing they did was removing more content with axing the Iberia dam building mechanic

Won't DV have to release with VP?
Otherwise US content will make no sense.

>>2178565
Same with Germany, Japan, Britain and many others. It's forcing everyone to rework their reworks. They'll probably just handwave it though like how they planned to have Amur be able to invade everyone a year early regardless of the status of all reworks in Russia.

>Germany has Lam, a member of the Mango Clique on its side
>mandated to win everything except when it conflicts with fellow clique member kateryna's Sweden's socdem status quo eternal mandate
>Japan has nobody but a handful of Imperial apologists
>gets all of its gains rolled back in the Pacific aside from a handful of irrelevant islands, they didn't even get to keep fucking Fiji
The favouritism is real

>>2178563
>how much content did they release for france Italy Greece or Turkey?
Nothing except the Turkish skeleton (team collapsed, cancelled) and the French skeleton with the civil war (being reworked/removed).
So... Nothing. Zero progress.

>>2178605
Happened to France team too. They were just told to eat it over DV and they did. Only progress there since 2023 is that they cut Augier and the CW from their plans.

>>2178654
At this point; how much fucking nations are on the country select menu that have absolutely no chance of actually seeing the light?

>>2178663
All of them at this rate.

>>2178654
Honestly, the biggest crutch against the team seems to be avoidance of “Euro-centrism” and Japan.
Why not give all effort to the three superpowers and then work downward from there? Instead of working on making content (or even skeleton content for that matter) just say “nothing else gets done until USA, Germany, and Japan are considered ‘finished’.”

That way, they wouldn’t waste time on proposals and work for minors only to realize it conflicts with the main 3 leading to squabbling.
Kind of like “Trickle-down” proposals, ig.

>>2178773
Because the nudevs either lied about the scope of changed it once they assumed complete power. It might be difficult to look it up today but if you can look up the early Germany rework writing it was pitched as something much simpler and smoother that wouldn't affect all other tags. That's why Mosk continued as normal for years to point to a very public example, only to be completely scrapped and reworked by one of Lamounier's cronies after years. Did Mosk dev just not know about the German rework? Of course he did but he was lied to. That's also a big reason why so much else of it was scrapped when the nudevs took over.

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The mod is so fucking dead that even the X accounts that support it are posting memes on how the mod is a nothingburguer

>>2178773
not the above guy, however there is another reason

Any interactions with any non-major country will inevitably be lame, be cut entirely or reworked.

Think of it this way, you for Germany make a Focus Branch that is based on the current skeleton of Free France.
Someone then gives Free France full content, except, oh no! That means Germany still conflicts with the Free France content, unless you make THAT content suck ass and railroaded as all hell.
So you need to go back to Germany ANYWAY just to redo that one branch.

Optimally you'd have all countries be made in tandem and at the same time roughly. This only works if people arent dicks to each other though.

>>2178829
It'd be really funny if he just doesn't know he's being made fun of.

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>>2178829
same account that posted these gems

>>2178839
Itd be very funny if he tries to requiem sperg when TLL releases and claim he always was their greatest supporter

Or he just TNO spergs when 2 years of playable skeleton releases!

>>2178839
I still don't get how nazis winning ww2 will cause the exact same decolonization that happened OTL

>>2178853
Because Wikipedia says that's how it went therefore realism.

>>2178853
It wont.

>>2178885
t.nodev

>>2178839
You know how bad things are when the core of nudevs supporters are shitting on the mod. Its just over atp

I Just want Italy content Bros....that stuff they teased Is like years ago

>>2179139
Red Italy is cancelled, fash Italy got reworked again to fit Germany's plot armor and dem Italy is MIA. Suffer.

>>2179164
It would be kino if TNO:RA manages to release and updated Italy, a man can dream

>>2179188
We're there any functioning leaked builds of it?

>>2179198
Yes, sorta, go to the very top of the thread

I'm glad TNO is sinking. Hopefully the same happens to Requiem and Rises Again. Inherently shit setting.

>>2177053
TNOcord had to mute people even in the offtopic channels because they keep talking about TFR too often. EAW's discord was pretty much chill and had a lot of followers endorsing the mod. KR discord was neutral unless some fuck decided to bring up war crimes in chat

>>2179221
Cope and Sneed.

>>2179225
Literally 1984.

>>2174140
Ngl i used to play tno with the orange ui submod on

>>2179227
Funny enough their excuse for muting people were theyre raiding but a lot of regulars have been muted too. We'll never know unless some brave dev decides to leak the tno dev chats where its just them seething about the mod being against their fukuyama narrative and "muh realism first" approach

>>2179230
Great job alienate your last fans for seeing a glimpse of the green grass on the other side of the wall.

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after years i finally joined back to the vanilla tno server , how it has becomed niggerhell of a server

first thing i see is a nutno janny leaking over the 2 of the most iconic and well made countrys ever created, ( btw they will never create something that good )

Somehow they blame reddit ( even tho that pick is from chinese tno meme , it's basically wht if tno had anime intro , its a kino video )

discord niggers and other nu jannies prasing such comment

realise i dont care they can fuck as much as they want their "mod" , we already have the tno:RA and Tno:R

>>2179247
Their endless seething and jealousy towards people that made better content than them will never not be funny.

>>2179247
Post more.

>>2179247
I remember all these idiots who constantly sucked off the devs back when I was on the server before I got banned for blabing about manchuria leaks. Honestly I get more fun from reading dev design documents than actually playing modern tno

>>2179272
Btw if any of yall find new stuff pls poast, I bored

All of this could've been avoided if only the nudevs had made their own mod instead of ruining one with an existing fanbase.

>>2179337
It unironically might be because they have ADHD and trannies with ADHD move on from what they've ruined without speaking about it later. TNO is so fucking boring the shitstirring is more interesting

>>2179517
But all the key people involved are just regular dudes. I don't get why you'd say it's a gender thing when the realism clique is largely divorced from that. The people that made the original schizo content like Tabby were in some cases, but they're all gone now. Lamounier, Mango, QPQ and everyone else at the top that actually call the shots are all dudes. The only exception is Kateryna, but he's just a nepo baby brought on by Lamounier to rework things to be as bland and boring as he wants. The problem is instead a political one because various strands of radical liberalism and modern centrist progressivism are the common denominators with the people that hijacked mod. Discord clique politics, ain't no disease more terminal than that.

>>2179543
Infact in large part the "good guys" in the TNO Sphere ARE the trannies.
Kateryna is an outlier, a good amount of Requiems Devs are trannies.

>>2179545
>Trannies average out to be the least bad actors in the mod
>Bronies are often the sane party in the equation
HOI4 modding is a fucking bizzarro world sometimes.

Has anyone managed to find more Yippie! leaks?

No one gives a shit about Election Swine. The only remotely interesting thing about it is gigachad Nixon and we already have the deets on that.

>>2180252
The only people who are actually gonna play yippie usa are libtarded nafo cucks. We need more european or asian leaks because the only part of tno that is enjoyable is larping as a fascist/nazi or a japanese imperialist

>>2180269
My guy, playing as both of those would be ass too

Lamounier has got to be an actual Atomwaffen member or some shit at this point, the amount of Plotarmor Germany has is insane.

As we saw with the Japan leak, that too doesnt look interesting.

JPN in captcha

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Just a little list of stuff required for the TNOR devs to do before the Last Light Update is released. (Image is accurate as of October 19th)

>>2180275
>Lamfag
>AWD
That's the thing. It'd be funny if that was the case. But most /pol/tards have more self awareness. He's just another radical establishment centrist that just happens to be a tone deaf moron on top of it all.

>>2180277
This doesn't even tell us anything, what are the tasks?

The coding tasks are pretty average mostly just balancing units, bug fixing and implementing focuses and decisions. The loc tasks on the other hand are more interesting, like there being events regarding Nelson Mandela and one about him escaping prison, the other locs are mostly good but not really worth mentioning

>>2180347
Hmm. They must be pretty far along in coding then if it's only 30 with bug fixes. Impressive.

>>2179247
>Be me
>Join tno server
>Have discord name DalitChud88
>Don't speak in chat
>Don't post anything
>Get permabaned
The mods are 100% trooned out

>>2180275
I actually like the German plot armor, I think you can guess why lol, but as for Japan, I actually like what got leaked in the dev documents as well as the Manchuria leaks. My only gripes with the devs is that they release nothing and then act like dicks when asked to live up to their promises. Btw, I will never budge from this opinion, but a Speer Germany would win the Cold War because shockingly, liberalism isn't very sustainable for the long-term health of a culture (see the cultural communism we saw since obongo)

>>2180520
They prolly ban anyone with 88 unfortunatley, They don't tolerate fans of our beloved Fuhrer

>>2180520
>>2180559
Imagine being such a no lifer that you actively remain glued to a discords welcome channel just to ban people for having edgy names.

>>2180520
I remember joining KR server and a mod dmed me asking me to change my Dirlewanger pic in 1 hour or get banned (I was afk at that time)

>>2181012
Fucking busybodies Jesus Christ.

>>2179247
>a kino video
post link

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Shouldn't hurt that much to leak this

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Or this for that matter (Progress sheet in this photo is outdated so just refer to the one I leaked a few posts up )

>>2181150
This leak is useless, they teased this themselves already

>>2181154
This one is interesting as it gives us an idea on how fast the code team is working.
Thats like 20 tasks in one day, shits crazy fast, no wonder TNO wanted to leak the lead coder

>>2181179
It's not just a one person thing. On top of the coders they have, TNO has lost several coders to them too. Last thread we learned that Curving, a senior coder over at TNO, jumped ship over to them. Why not? After being told to rework the same content sixty times and you still somehow cared about HOI4 after that switching to a saner team makes sense.

Just a extra treat, some locs from one of the writers of TNOR, I don't like his writing since he's Arab but anyway https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Cscy8i-hBSv9RjJCNf8Yl7cT-bGTDXB8D9BsDVnkMrE/edit?usp=drivesdk

>>2181204
While true, it also shows a major difference in what I presume is true between requiem and base TNO.

At Requiem, clearly coders are in an environment where talent is curated well. Yes, Curving jumped ship, but he was also at TNO before, together with probably dozens of other bonafide coders.

All of these things obviously come together, but the root cause of anything working well is usually a top down thing.


You can have the best workers, but if the leadership is shit, that doesnt matter.
So at base TNO, the code lead clearly is shit at his job, he lost people like Curving and not even ANTARCTIC CHILE managed to come out in October.

At Requiem, they gained elite coders from TNO, their system is well oiled. All of that also is seemingly way better than under the previous Code Lead 2WRW had, where code was actively crumbling from what I've read in the Public Discord Server.

>>2181239
I was onboard with these leaks until you mentioned you are a kike

Never post here again Untermensch

Iraqis like the writer of the events, "Serov?" are nothing more then Iranian Cocksuckers

>>2181248
Just goes to show that TNO is a very mismanaged mod. Nothing new there. Germany and America's reworks aren't taking longer to develop than all of TFR did because they're the greatest tags ever but because they're mismanaged by people that have no place running a mod in the first place. It's also interesting that 2WRW was also badly mismanaged when it was under the nudev spell but improved substantially when the nudev clique left.

tl;dr don't let people that don't play HOI4 run your HOI4 mod, lmao.

>>2181292
Can we PLEASE not derail the thread by bringing ancient Middle Eastern blood feuds into this?

>>2181295
Can we atleast agree to kick the kike out of here?

If anyone wants to claim they follow the great Fuhrer, they should allow kike suckers into this space

>>2181298
How about we just don't do political sperging at all? Go to the containment board if you want to rant about your personal politics.

>>2181313
Press the box right next to your name in your post in the upper left corner and then click on "delete post" down in the lower right corner of the page. Although ngl you should probably delete all three because you gain nothing by entering a shouting match with a retard while namefagging but you do you.

>>2181316
Alright, thank you Anon! :D

But I still by my statement of the leaker being a piece of shit anyway I have to go, bye!

>>2181248
From what a buddy has told me, it's a small group of cracked coders they have that has been making progress.

Did that guy who posted VP gui leaks every find Goldwater/Reuther guis?

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