Army of rams editionprev>>2241052
i've seen this OP image before.
Kill 3K civs. Behead 3K civs. Roundhouse kick a 3K civ into the concrete. Slam dunk a 3K civ into the trashcan. Crucify filthy 3K civs. Defecate in 3K civs food. Launch 3K civs into the sun. Stir fry 3K civs in a wok. Toss 3K civs into active volcanoes. Judo throw 3K civs into a wood chipper. Twist 3K civs' heads off. Karate chop 3K civs in half. Trap 3K civs in quicksand. Crush 3K civs in the trash compactor. Eat 3K civs. Dissect 3K civs. Exterminate 3K civs in the gas chamber. Stomp 3K civ skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate 3K civs in the oven. Lobotomize 3K civs. Drown 3K civs in fried chicken grease. Vaporize 3K civs with a ray gun. Kick old 3K civs down the stairs. Feed 3K civs to alligators. Slice 3K civs with a katana.
>>2264807>Slice 3K civs with a katana*Dao
How do we make Tarkans viable again?
>>2264993How are they not viable? They just shred castles.
give Mongols pastures.
give Celts pastures
it's pasture bed time
>>2264409I think World War One is the most modern setting an Age of Empires game could ever cover (whilst remaining AoE).It's still about Imperial Powers, for starters. Tanks and Aircraft were still limited, armies were slow enough that forts had to be taken instead of bypassed, and it's the very last war Cavalry was still relevant (at specific times), and Infantry was varied enough, unlike modern times where it's all "Carbine, Carbine, Carbine w/UBL, M. Launcher, Scoped Carbine".
>>2265058surely a mongol understands that pastures are taken, not given
>>>2262517>historically accurate>when their shit never existed in the first placeRuins in latam and southam were literally just dirt mounds before Europeans """reconstructed""" then in the 1800. There are old photos showing before and after to prove it.
>>2265216Here's an example, Teotihuacan pyramid in Mexico City. Redditors are so stupid that they actually think a giant pyramid was covered under 10 feet of dirt in less than 500 years. It was a fucking mound and Europeans built this "reconstruction" to be a tourist attraction.
>>2265225>stone human sacrifice hut on manmade dirt hill>suddenly, giant stone step pyramid
>>2265225Do you have a real source or is this just some conspiracy bullshit
>>2265225*Over 1,000 years
>>2265225The best one is Machu Pichu. You get Joe Rogan types going about how "Modern technology can't replicate what they did". But the whole fucking thing is a reconstruction. If you look at photos of when it was first discovered, it was just a pile of fucking rubble.
>>2264876Sengoku when? Also it fitted with the era of aoe2 more than 3k does
>>2265230look at the photos redditor
>>2265258Reconstruction is much different to building from scratch
>>2265287Sorry, I have a higher standard of evidence than a photograph with no supporting sources
>>2265225Random mound.>>2265228Covered in vegetation, otherwise you could see the stairs being build more clearly.
what are your opinions on handcannoneers? should they be buffed? i think so.
>>2266066I think we need a chronicles campaign where they get a chance to shine
>>2266142>chronicles campaign>handcannoneers
Where is everyone
>>2266374I'm watching the football.
>>2266395You could be replaying the Attilla campaignKill bleda? Kill the boar? Kill them BOTH?
>>2266066Shut the fuck up already
>>2266066they should be nerfed
>>2266066Infantry was buffed recently, so yes I do believe so too
>>2266559Take a chill pill man
Buff berserkers
>start playing online>resign about 20 games because I assume i'm worse than everyone so i want to get to a proper elo where i won't get stomped>they're all dogshitwish i didn't do that
>>2266202Yea something set in the 1600s.Give them long pikemen like macedonian infantry and some sort of doppelsoldner reskin to the swordsmen line.
>>2265186This could work if you do stuff like having Tanks only available at the last age, make it mainly infantry with rifles and bayonets, trench war with melee pioneers with axes and lancer cavalry at the first stages.
>>2266660are we aoe3 now as well?
Saracens should be split into Mamluks, Umayyads, Abbasids, or something like that. then in the same expansion add a crusader state civ.potential chronicles: >roman expansion (take your pick)>punic wars>trojan war>gilgamesh>egypt shit>napoleanic wars>the ottoman wars that happened shortly after aoe2 time period (mid 1500s to 1699)>Thirty Years war 1618-1648>Protestant reformation>french revolution>american revolution>american civil war >ww1>countless other third world shit that isn't interestingI concur with the other anon that chronicles shouldnt go past ww1. maybe not even ww1, honestly. not sure how you would put aircraft into the game or implement them in a way that isn't stupid. >>2266674the whole point with chronicles is it opens up the game to potential stories outside the relatively restrictive timeframe. I notice you aren't whining about the other two aoe1 era chronicles.
>>2266691>I notice you aren't whining about the other two aoe1 era chronicles.I've already lost that battle. Now you fucking niggers have opened the flood gates though. Fucking christ.
>>2266698Seething
>>2266698nigga its an optional expansion you don't have to buy it and it has no effect on the base game whatsoever
>>2266691Did they ever confirmed more Chronicles are coming? I read somewhere they only initially planned for three years of content before people were fired.
>>2266799Rome is 100% coming
AoE2 extending back to Alexander and Rome is fine because the essentials are still the same: infantry, archers, cavalry, primitive siege weaponsExtending into Napoleonic and beyond is just an entirely new game at that point
>>2266809They probably wanted to make aoe2 into an "ultimate game" that encompassed all eras since aoe3 had ceased development. But give it a different name other than Chroncles.
>>2266202Yep
>tfw my mens dont want to continue until we reached the Gange and defeat the Nanda EmpirePUSSIES ALL OF THEM
>>2266674alexander lived 600 years before the earliest aoe2 campaign. wallenstein lived less than 100 years after the latest one.
>let's dump every failed Age title into AoE2!I can't wait for the galactic battlegrounds chronicle
>>2266854A Galactic Battlegrounds remaster would actually be pretty cool, but I imagine Yidsney would be the biggest obstacle if some shitty company like Aspyr isn't already doing something like it.
How are the ps5 ports lol
>>2266854They wanted to but they were denied by the Star Wars side
>>2266852even less than that if we count Drake in V&V as the farthest aoe2 goes
>>2266852Your stupidity is mildly frustrating
>>2266691Age2 is people groups, Age4 is for specific dynasties or peoplesBest I could give is some kind of Arabian, Egyptian, Mesopotamian, or Andalusian
>>2266883Age4 is for specific dynasties or kingdoms*
>>2266883you do have a point but I stand by it. saracens is too broad and inaccurate and the islamic world was so expansive at the time that it can't be lumped into saracens, turks, and sometimes berbers.
>>2266854this but unironically. this game is older than you are and we are still talking about it. part of that is because it's been held up by an expansive modding community. making aoe2 into a platform/engine for extra content is objectively a good thing and opens the door for a lot of potential.and why the fuck are you so mad? chronicles is an entirely different menu. literally just don't click it, who cares? imagine being this autistic.
anyone at a higher elo know if there's a point where you can't find matches if you ban arabia/arena?
There are maps other than Arabia?
How come aoe2 never got ported to the switch? Since this game can run on a toaster.
>>2266142that would be cool. i wonder what would be a good time/leader to focus it around. maybe around the rise of tercios?>>2266559no :)>>2266577no please...>>2266609i'm glad you agree with me.
>>2266691>spleet Saracens into Egyptians(representing polities with their power based in Egypt like Ayyubids, Fatimids and Mamluks) and Mesopotamians(muslim polities based out of Baghdad like the Abbasids and the Buyids)>add Seljuks as a distinctly Turkic civ >add Outremer as a stand in for the Crusader States(Antioch, Jerusalem, Edessa)
i think we should add a US civ since they added 3chinkdoms
>>2266691your anus should be split with a rusty longsword
>>2266629Give them gambesons then they'll see use (Hera said so at least and I am but a parrot)
>>2267021omg templar migu
Holy shit, the final Roman army in Atilla 4 has had a MASSIVE upgrade, it's a deathball of 100 centurions and legionaries, I completely forgot
sorry did I say 100, I meant 200
>>2267095we love Medieval Miku here
>>2267021Seljuk civ is represented by the cavalry archer tech and light cav armor.Ottoman is the gunpowder stuff. We don't need a turk spleet.
>>2266843>mens
>>2266674AoE3 is kinda ass in many ways and you already start the game with bayonet musketeers. I want something much earlier than that but later than what we got in AoE2 imperial age.
>>2267254we do need a turk spleet because having ottoman janissaries as the main opponents of the first crusade is fucking retarded
Team Liquid is starting an aoe2 team and Hera is joining. Who else is? Someone give the scoop
>>2267320>Who else is?me
>>2267254>you play the seljuk scenario as the tatarsWe definitely need more turkic civs.At least Gokturks, Khazars/Oghurs and Turkomans.
>>2267278So is using Conquistadores on the El Cid campaign.>>2267368Khazars would be nice to add another Central Asian architecture set users to the game. Persians sould also use that set btw.
>>2267320>espurts>heraand i give negative two fricks
>pick magyars>fast feudal>blacksmith + stable>build another stable>grab enough gold to afford bloodlines (basically the only upgrade this strat needs)>transition entire eco onto food>pump out nonstop scout cav>winare my opponents retards or is this actually good? currently like 95% w/r with this over a couple dozen games. they can build spears to try and stop it but it puts them in a position where their eco is worse than yours and most of the time it becomes a forgone conclusion.
>>2267320me and this guy >>2267329
>>2267320how did tl get so big? I've been using the website for starcraft news forever, but their sc2 team was always shit. then I saw that somehow they had a chess team with magnus carlsen. did nazgul win the lottery or something?
I don't really like the Huns
>>2267588Even at the highest level you see this strat with magyars, at least on open hard-to-wall maps
just managed to get in under that 30 minutes for Catalaunian, probably could have gone with a stronger eco
another beautifully balanced match brought to you by Cysion & co
Multiplayer RTS is so sweaty
>settling into new schedule>looking for something to do before heading to bed>"I know! I'll end the day with a nice and fun AoE match!>turns out I'm so tired I can barely think and I play like total dogshiteI may be retarded but I didn't realize that I need to make time to play the game when I'm freshwere most of my victories against tired old men playing at their worst? I may be worse at this game that I thought.
>yeah what will I do just before I go to sleep>I'll play a competitive RTS game requiring strong and sustained focus >wtf, being tired makes it difficult to focusWho could have foreseen this
>>2268020all solved games are unfortunately. the solution for aoe2 is to drop yourself to about 400 elo and fuck around with meme builds.
>>2267902severely overrated and were never good. c tier civ for sure. cav archers mogged by pretty much every other civ with cav archers. pally mogged by pretty much every other civ with pally. what's even left? no houses becomes more of a detriment the better at the game you get. but hey at least you get a horse on nomad 11
>>2268074>were never good.hello newfriend
>>226809825% cheaper CAs so what
>>2268098ive been playing since aoe1 kill yourself
>>2268074>no houses needed when houses are your best walls for 30% of the gamelol
Huns are literally just worse mongols, and the Hun unique techs are such ASS >Make tarkans from stables Great, now I can mass my somewhat-niche cavalry that's good against buildings but mediocre against other units
OK OK I know Huns are good in Castle, don't flip out
>>2268217>no eco bonus>-100 wood>small cav archer discount compared to other civs with castle age discounts>shit uuif it was a knight discount maybe they would be good. but archers are shit unless you can hit a critical mass. all things considered they're like any other civ in castle age, and even a little worse.let's pretend that they really are good in castle though, does a good castle really matter that much in the current feudal meta? what do huns get in feudal besides not being able to house wall? nigga you are getting scout rushed
>>2268235not having to build houses isn't an eco bonus?
herding deer is gay. it's easier than most beginners seem to think, but they would be better off as a high risk high reward food source. i would double the size of deer spawns, make them unherdable, and move them slightly further away from starting TCs. make the players weigh risk/reward between deer and farms, while also offering opponents a chance to raid/lame. would encourage more early game aggression while having almost no effect on beginner players.
>>2268129>he doesnt remember the aoc era hun wars
>>2268243
Huns are OP for one simple reason, you don't get housed. There, I said it
>>2268257yes. but now make them more valuable and spawn outside walls on arena.
>>2266648you can steam family share and play on another account if you would like to try ranked again starting at 1k elo
>>2267006Probably would not work great with the limited controls and small screen of the system
>>2268062You don't even need to drop down to do meme builds, I pretty much exclusively play stupid shit and I'm 15xx. Once you try them out a few times you can actually get wins with meme builds.
>>2268062nah I just play campaigns
>>2268277nah, i've gone from 200 to 600 only losing a couple games I'm just gonna tough it out at this point. i feel bad for basically smurfing on them though. i really thought i wouldn't be able to hang at the starting elo but looking through replays most of these people appear to be afk a lot so maybe I can hang as long as I do the bare minimum.
Im a relatively new player and I think Vikings and Japanese are my favorite civilizations. Are these two decent in PvP or low tier?
>>2268342they're good
>>2268342the two best naval civs in the game, and arguably the two best infantry civs as well. very versatile all around, can't go wrong with them really. if I had to choose one, vikings are slightly stronger imo because of their eco bonus.
does anyone seriously play on naval maps
>>2268342pretty much all civs are going to be viable in multiplayer the civ balance is pretty good. Vikings and japanese are great maps, especially on open maps.
if a civ reduces my chances of winning by 5% it is literally UNPLAYABLE
>>2268357i would if they included more naval options in the ranked lineup. and megarandom should have more naval heavy generations. i think the closest you can get are clones of 4 lakes and mediterranean. at the very least give a 50/50 chance of swapping arena for aquarena every ranked map rotation
they should rename megarandom to "spork"
niggas that hate on megarandom don't know the sheer joy of knight rushing as an american civ because you were given a free stable.
>>2268357i would if my favorite civ didnt have such a shitty navy.
are lagswitches a thing? just finished beating someones monkey ass on golden swamp, got insanely laggy right after he scouted that I controlled the middle and got worse as the game went on. idk felt kinda suspicious and wasnt the first time i've seen shit like that.
>>2268235The lack of needing houses at the expense of 100 starting wood IS the eco bonus, Huns were like one of the best civs in AoC before everything else around them got better or cheaper (which notably includes the base cost of both cav archers and houses), while Tarkans and Atheism were both absolute ass. All that while Mongol Mangudai were at their zenith. +20% faster stables has been a consistently great team bonus as well through the years.That said, they've been real fucky with Nomad balance in recent years, as introducing the free horse to offset the wood malus working against them only skewed shit towards them in Land Nomad even harder.>>2268357Naval balance is skewed as fuck towards civs with explicit benefits for it and also Bracer. Doesn't seem like that aspect is improving as much with the coming rework while the University gets bloated with moar techs than necessary.
Real talk: remove all naval-only bonuses from all civs and enable all naval techs for all civs. The only possible difference should be an advantage with bracer. Make it generic, this is the way naval should be. Why do you think everyone plays on maps with no water?
>>2268450i dislike water because shit is so expensive with wood/gold and rarely feels worth it unless im specifically forced into it (ie islands)like why bother if I can just end the game more cost effectively with cavalry
>>226837380% of the time it generates arabia but you get more food, I wish it was more random and stuff like that was more common.
>>2268470were more random*hypothetical, subjunctive mood
>>2268371>>2268373Every time I play this map I just get dumb giant island surrounded by water on all sides with a thine strip of land next to the map boundary covered in a bajillion relics.
>>2268470the weirder starts should be made more common. the nomad version or the double tc version. in my experience the wood generation is the biggest wildcard. i just like it because it keeps people somewhat on their toes instead of the same predictable arabia/arena opening. god those maps are so stale I wish the devs would cycle them out of the rotation for once just to shake things up.
>>2267588I do this too but with MAA and people just surrender if their archery range built outside of TC range is kill
Finished replaying all the AoK and AoC campaignsI think Attila is the best of the bunch from a gameplay perspective Especially the massive jumpscare on mission 5 with the updated romans
>tries drushing me>tries tower dropping me>tries castle dropping me>has entire eco obliterated>retreats to corner island>tries castle dropping me again>tries building a wonder in ranked???>still losesnigga thinks hes matze
>>2268357Next patch I'll be exclusively playing water maps. Hulk smash
Jannu...
>>2268882wife
>>2269167Inca castle is tiny and Bulgarian castle looks like a market.
>>2268882I want to hold hands with her
>>2269167Huns have the best castle
AoE4 bros what the fuck do I do against massed horsemen? Anything that beats them can't catch them
>>2269308uninstall and get aoe2. aoe4 is genuinely so fucking bad i don't know how anyone plays it. i guess niggas are really that starved for an rts. they did way too much while accomplishing way too little.>>2268882isnt she like 12 you sick fricks
>>2269243She'd strike you for being a heretic.
>>2269421>isnt she like 12child wife then
>>2268371>>2268373>>2268470>>2268477>lol megarandom not so random>anons report a bunch of different types of maps that are "always" generated for themsounds like megarandom is pretty random to me desu
>>2269471i got michi-lite on megarandom once. a one tile thick wall of trees separated us, plus several free towers and a stable. never seen it since but was probably the coolest generation for me yet.
>beating what appears to be an obvious smurf>fucking wrecking this fag (im smurfing too lol)>douche him, taunt him, lame him, wall him, basically making the game worse for him>puts up a good fight but nigga gets completely shit on>check profile afterward>it's a third worlder with a 30% winrate over 1k+ games that appears to have never intentionally dropped their elos-sorry
>>2269634>(im smurfing toocringe asshole
>play a ranked teamgame for once>decide to give the ol' handcannoneer rush for bohemians a try>enemies spam knights and cavarchers>they winhandcannoneers truly need a buff. at last, i truly see.
>>2269672the first repeating firearm was invented in the 1600s. I say that's close enough for an aoe2 imperial age hand cannoneer.
>>2269634faggot
>>2269435*for speaking english
The first firearm firearm firearm was invented in the 1600s
>>2268882whore btw
Joan of Arc(hed back)
why did they draw her like that though. they knew
>>2269836>>2269881give it a rest Nigel
Bro has a picture PREPARED
>I must defend my long dead waifu! kek
>>2269167Very wrong opinions there, you should try again.
>brits still seething at a almost 600 year old dead womannow thats what i call butthurt
how do I reconcile the fact that im a frank player with the fact that most other frank players are pedos attracted to an ancient dead teenager?
how do frank players deal with being the ultimate "basic bitch" of AoE2?
that's actually celts, the literal tutorial civ. nice try.
It's actually Huns because you don't need to build houses
the huns were never good.
>>2268340the whole point of an elo system is that by playing games it puts you where you're supposed to be. there's no point in artificially manipulating it unless you're trying to smurf.
Kids don't remember Huns being meta in AoC
as a 25+ year veteran of the game, my word is final.
>>2270140single player veteran
>>2270140Terrible list Vikings in low tier lmao
>>2270140>Huns>Koreans>Dravidians>Dogshitlollmao even
>>2270134The point is 'winning multiplayer' even if that means beating up kids and cripples.No different than cheating.
>>2270140>All Indian civs in dogshitBased
>>2270261You're blind
>>2265058It's feels great to be Finnish!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qx8hrhBZJ98
perkele
>>2270272explain.>>2270261i think there's a case to be made for gurjaras but yeah the rest are truly awful, and not just because they are pajeet
>>2270335>i think there's a case to be made for gurjarasHindustani has the highest WR of indian civs across all ELO
>>2270384when did i mention jeetustanis
>>2270498>hey all indian civs are dogshit, well except maybe gurjaras>hindustanis are better than gurjaras>uhhhhh when did I mention them???
>>2270506bro why are you so obsessed with them literally no one brought it up but you, relax
idea: remove frame delay on all cav archers. keep it on uu cav archers though.
idea: delay your posts (time: 9999999999s)
idea: remove frame delay on all gunpowder units. keep it on every other unit though.
idea: remove all gunpowder units
>huszar and +1 range CAhow do you even beat this comp
Three Kingdoms
>>2270719huskarls :)
Guns aren't medievalSimple as
>>2270856>1132 onwards isn't medieval thanks for the input retard
>>2270140>2 best civs in the game only in high tier>byzantine and teuton dogshit in s+come on now
>>2270862Not if there's gunsSimple as
Byzantines have no eco bonus so they are bottom tier and I don't care what anyone says.
>>2270719Paladin
what could have been...
>>2270969Id like an AoE game set in the future.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qY9gK2Gqwik
>>2270942Cheaper units is an eco bonus
>>2270942This game needs more units with warhammers, maces, hammers, picks, etc.
>>2270969>AoE4 was meant to have assault riflesClose enough.Handcannoneers anon's dream
>>2271035imagine an aoe game that starts in the stone age and ends in modern times with nukes and planes and shitRoN, my beloved...
>>2271118Too many tech curves are unironically bad, which is why RoN shines in the campaign and in custom games with 3~4 age maximuns.Also RoN doesn't have anything close to stone age. Your first units are Hoplites for fuck's sake.Even then the game is ass until Classical.
>>2270969They fucked it up by having aoe3 be mostly fictional scenarios instead of historical shit
>>2271118that's the RTS version of "I WANT A GAME WHERE YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING!!!"
>>2270140>Byz and Teutons in S tieronly elo above 750 may post here
>>2271171being good at a game only makes the game less fun
>Hera wins another tournamentExciting.
>>2271167your post would make if games like empire earth and rise of nations didn't exist, rn you just sound like a retard
>>2271409I wasn't implying that they wouldn't exist just that they don't play very well and I say that as someone with 200 hours on the steam version of RoNBut hey good attempt at making yourself sound smart anon you'll manage next time
>>2271452so instead you were saying that every other genre has, to quote you directly>A GAME WHERE YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING!!!?you do not sound very intelligent anon
>>2271571I was talking about people wanting games where "you can do everything" which end up being unfocused open world games like bethesda games or cyberpunk, I did not said that "every other genre" has anything.
>>2271374Hera is the goat so what do you expect?
You're telling me a goat won an RTS tourney?
>>2271755Instead of playing it just chased other players out of the arena. Smart goat.
>>2271775Sounds like a bully goat haha
are the AoE campaigns easy, or do they just feel that way after 500 hours of campaigns
(I mean AoE2 obviously)
Future TierPurepechaZapotec---Tangut (Khitian split)Dali---MuiscaMapuche---ThaiChampa---VlachSclaveni---KongoSwahili---Crazy Talk TierTufan (Tibetan)Alemanni (Swiss)Somali (Swahili split)Chimu---What are you talking about TierChachapoya (Inca split)Oromia (Ethiopia split)QuollaRus (Slav split)SaoSwedes (Viking split)Wari
>>2272454>Rus (Slav split)What will slavs represent after this split? Silesians?
>>2272536Novgorod and Moscow
>>2272536I threw it in for a laugh when I realised I didn’t have enough architectural sets represented.
>>2268074Huns are fine where they are, don't buff them
>>2268262Vululu
>>2269634>fucking wrecking this fag (im smurfing too lol)LMAO this guy thinks he is so awesome beating middle aged man in Brazil
>>2270113I don't get the hate for Franks players, Franks is an honest civ, you don't get 1 million attack horses so you need to work to beat pikemen
>>2270942Byzantines can play against any civ, there is no world in which Byzantines is less than a high B tier, give them an actual eco bonus and they end up in S tier
>>2272653No hate, they're just basic>Ah the mediaeval RTS, I will pick the "castles and knights" faction
>>2272653One dimensional gameplan that historically has also been one of the most successful tactics at almost every level.
Did the next DLC leaked yet? I have no idea since I've only started playing when 3k dropped
>>2272716No, beyond the water rework giving cannon galleons to meso civs instead of any of the non-cannon regionals, meaning meso civs next year isn't unlikely.
>>2272716Yes it's the Alexander DLC
>>2272716It will be Polynesians, hence the Meso changes
The Dracula campaign is a little schizophrenic, but I appreciate the experimentation
>>2273759Why is adding South American animals a confirmation of Polynesians out of all things?Inca campaign could really use some new civs. I'd suggest making their houses and temples unique (visually) with the 10pop houses being a regional building.
>2v2 in AoE IV>successfully raiding closest opponent by trading horsemen for workers and picking off badly micro'd units>meanwhile ally rushes age 3 and masses knights>other guy starts pushing me with big age2 army>builds ram and attacks my production>Ally arrives with cav to envelope enemy >close fight because enemy is mostly spearmen but if we win here the game might be over>game crashesfuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
I'm replaying all the campaigns again in order and just finished Draculatime for Bari
>>2271611Not an actual boring finale for once
bro imagine if Franks could build Cataphracts
>>2274280have fun trying not to cheese Bari4
>>2274422BROOOOO
>>2274480it can't be that hard
>>2274422>+20% HP Cataphract lineMemes aside, you already have Hand Cannoneers to do this exact job.
>>2274605Frankish Cataphracts + Paladins would be sick though
Logistica should affect Byz Paladins
Byzantines should share the Savar as a regional variant replacement for the paladin.
new patch note dropped
>>2275386huge nothingburgerwonder how many new bugs they managed to introduce this update, they sure as fuck didn't mention anything about fixing any of the current gamebreaking ones
>>2275386>Crapost Petards Ok, I will finally play your civ
>>2275386>eagle buffnice>jurchen 25% attack speedWeren't they already doing ok? Wtf is this
Hold for an hour?Nah I'd rather kill Teutons nowCataCamel supremacy
why yes I do research chemistry for the sole purpose of giving my trebuchets flaming projectiles
>Gambesons cost reduced from 100 food 100 gold 50 food 100 gold.>Eagle Warrior cost reduced>Flemish Militia movement speed increased>Warrior Priest cost reducedInfantry chads we stay winning
How would the chads of /aoeg/ fix objectively garbage civs? I'll mention one to start: Bulgarians.
>>2275991Bulgarians have a great winrate, what are you talking about?
>>2275953Implicit hand canoneer buffs? I'll take it
>>2274940Gonna disagree with you there. Cataphracts should totally replace Paladins in the Byzantine tech tree, and they should have their stats slightly buffed and have their elite cost raised.
>>2276192yeah let's make cataphracts OP for no reason
remove unique naval techsthey're either completely useless or OP
>>2276105i want explicit handcannoneer buffs but i suppose i'll take it.
>>2276211They wouldn't be op. They still be slightly worse paladins that do trample damage but get raped by archers but now they don't get overshadowed by a generic unit.
>>2276233cataphracts are already a great unit that beats up camels and all infantryanything that counters cataphracts will die to discounted halberdiers or skirmishers cata-halb-skirm, killer comp
enough about splitting civs. tell me what civs you would combine and how.
>>2276248Dravidians, hindustanis, gurjaras, bengalis. Too many streetshitter variants.
>Play custom campaign>waves of enemies that are too strongDo these shitheads even test their stuff bfore releasing it?
>>2276273why bother with a custom campaign when you have like 500 hours of campaigns available to you :)
>>2275386>Stonehenge addedCELTBROS OUR TIME IS COMING
>>2276439celts WILL get an antiquity mode toggle
it'd be great if there were a "no civilian targeting" option for behaviour
>>2276248Three Kingdoms of course, they're all the same ethnicity
holy shit the Sfroza campaign is fucking ASS
>>2276439Stonehenge wasn't built by Celts
>>2276595that's exactly what Neutral diplomatic status does
>>2276774now play the HD version of it and realise how BAD it was
>>2276774number of shitty boring mirror matches only outdone by Pachacuti
>Watched KOTDImpressive throw by Lyx yesterday.
>>2276774Neapolitans should be represented by Sicilians.Venetians should have their own civ even if it's campaign-only.
>>2276469With the exception of somewhat buggy animations for a few units and straight up two handed swordsmen, most civs work nicely with chronicles architecture sets.
It's hard to keep the suspension of disbelief up when playing the non-european/asian civilizations.>play meso civs>95% of their architecture is literally made up/ "reconstructed" by europeans to be tourist attractions>have stone age tech, wouldn't survive against feudal age civs from europe and asia let alone anything after>a man covered in leather and chicken feathers has as much pierce armor as a knight>african civ like malians has literally made up 'gbeto' that is strong black wakandan woman that throws swords
>>2276819Yeah, it was built by the proto-Finns during the hyperwar.
>>2276819then WHO built it???????????????????????????????????????????????????
>>2277233>>2277325anatolian farmer peoples
>>2277325Stone and bronze age people who wandered to Britain across the Doggerland tens of thousands of years agoCelts only arrived in Britain starting around 1000 BCE at the very earliest, and probably later, while Stonehenge was built starting around 3000 BCE
https://youtu.be/jQVanCst1Zo?si=a_QCcynf30zAF0PWlmao
>>2265225Might have been buried but no way to tell from the picture.
I've started reading Tibet: A History by Sam van Schaik and now I think it's a shame we didn't get playable Tibetans. There were a regional power that at its peak beat Tang dynasty but it's also cool how as nation basically in the middle of the continent they interacted with all these different civs: Chinese, Indian kingdoms, Persians, Arabs, Turkic nomads.
>>2277865sorry liberal. we can't risk pissing off china. no, china has never told us not to portray medieval tibet, but we're not about to risk it.hugs and kisses, michael soft.
I really don't think we need another "not China" civ, we already have like 8
>>2277839I looked up other pictures and it's pretty clear that other ruins were buried under dirt and more or less look the same as the reconstruction. I don't get what's supposed to be so unbelievable about primitive people being able to build pyramids anyways. It's not exactly wakanda-tier tech. Hell, I could build a pyramid and I have zero education in architecture or engineering.
I'm thinking of trying my monk micro game. IIRC Aztecs and Spanish have the best monks right.
>>2277868You now remember that AoE 2 originally had corpses decay over time and turn into skeletons.
>>2278099In all honesty that would tank performance so hard in 4x4 black forests.
>>2275386Did eagles go back to how they originally were?Persians are already strong, don't know if it is a good idea to make their crossbows cheaper.Turks got a good long term buff
>>2275761>Krepost petard + sudden death
>>2275991>BulgariansGive them champions they already have decent civ bonuses
why do handcannoneers exist in the first place? do archers not counter infantry enough?
Sforza campaign finished and best forgottenat least the story was funnext, the final Forgotten campaign: Prithviraj
hell yeah, I saved both town centres on hard
>>2278201they exist to both infuriate and delight me.
Man I hate Castle age scenarios, having to deal with shitty-ass rams
>>2278275One thing I notice no-one talks about is that in Joan 3, DE let you make Capped Rams. That's such a huge change that really makes the mission less cumbersome.
>>2275386>Bulgs are one of the best civs in the game>they buff them even morewhat the fuck
>>2272536Serbs and Croats.
>>2271035>Id like an AoE game set in the future.Galactic Battlegrounds>ackshually that's a long time ago in a ga-shut up
>>2271171Byzzies have the highest winrate at high elo (it's still less than 50%)
>>2278427I forget which mission it was but you were clearly supposed to ram push but I built a castle close enough to break the wall and then flooded like 40 petards through.
>>2278466It's funny, the higher ELO you get the worse the bulg winrate gets
>>2278478That doesn't make any sense
>>2278498retard-kun, he's saying that their winrate is the highest at high elo
as a newfag to RTS games should I buy AOE2 to play single player I've heard its one of the simpler rts games.
>>2278579Shit I forgot to undo the OP thing, my bad
>>2278579It's not one of the simpler rts games, but it is a good place to start regardless. SC2 teaches new players the genre really well in it's human campaign
>>2278579AoE2 is the king of SP RTS
>>2278585At least there are almost no units with "activated abilities"
>>2278579Why not start with aoe1
>>2278477Galactic Battlegrounds only adopted up to the 5th Star Wars movie if we're not including mods
>>2278602Yeah maybe he can start with Dune or Herzog Zwei while we're at it
You now remember Khitans and Jurchens have no campaigns
This game deserves the worst AI ever award. On hard or higher you just build a tower next to their TC and auto win the game.
I get triggered by the word AI now, can we find a substitute?
>>2278614I mean, what campaign would you give them?
>>2278703Probably the one that destroyed the Song so much that they moved the capital to the south
>>2278700Sure instead of calling it "AI" let's call the computer strategies "Automated intentions" instead
>>2278614Nor do the >Chinese, Koreans, Japanese>Maya>Romans>Vikings >Turks, Slavs, Magyars (Dracula doesn't count)have a dedicated campaign to themselves (El Cid counts for Spanish)
>>2278832Nor do Byzantines because I refuse to believe Bari is a campaign.
>>2278832>RomansDidn't they came as a bonus from Return of Rome and they got a campaign there? (Trajan)
>>2278579Technically AOE1 is simpler, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, it teaches you the basics. Awful pathing though, so I recommend AOE2 with the Rome DLC, which is a port of (many of) the AOE1 campaigns.
>>2278832But we need more African civs!
>>2278098Bengalis pretty gud too iirc, tankybois
>>2276439Celt split incoming.
>>2279005That's in the Age1 format, not thr Age2 Roman civ
>>2278154Just make Bagains add +2 attack so they can rock strong two handed swordsmen (the coolest)
>>2278832Fuck you Vikings have like a billion scenarios now
>>2278569What happens at 850~1000 for them to go lower than sub 850?
>>2279842I'm not sure how much we can meaningfully read into a 0.5% differenceLikely to say nobody at <850 can rush worth a damn, so late game byz advantages come into play
The Bulgarian WR is so funny
China is the converse
Forgot my fucking PIC
>>2280082They have an extremely strong infantry rush that low elos will be unlikely to defend against.
>>2280082>>2280175And the reason for that is their militia line upgrades instantly upon aging, and blacksmith upgrades are researched 80% faster, which means you'll be facing upgraded MAA. If you want to be more daring you can even combine this with a tower rush. I jumped 100 points of elo just by playing Bulgarians.
>>2280186Crutch
>>2280217well yeah my point
What win-rate interval is considered balanced to have across all civs? 48-52%?
>>2279217Nah, they're adding new civs for the Irish, Scots, Manx, Cornish, Picts, Bretons, Cisalpine Gauls, Transalpine Gauls, Galatians and Celtiberians, while keeping the existing Celts civ as it is.
>>2280456I think +/- 5% is fineWhat truly is a winrate anyway?1800 ELO on Arabia?1000 ELO on a 4v4 naval map?
>>2280456According to aoestats, the winrate ranges from 46% to 54% from worst to best civ in the latest patch which is really good.That's up there with the winrate split between white and black in chess, which is a pretty damn balanced game.
>>228045645-55 would be fine with me personally. the other problem is maptypes since trying to make all civs balanced for all maps would be retarded.
>>2280464like to charge, repub to cast
What are some of the worst visual elite upgrades? I think the Elite Boyar looks atrocious
>>2280858Elite Woad Raider is my most disliked. Should've looked more like a Gallowglass.
>>2280464You forgot about Powys, Gwynnedd, Ceredigion and the other Welsh kingdoms.
>>2278898Also Yodit. She didn't even exist.
>>2280858he just took the insulation carpet down from the wall and wore it like a cape. Based vatnigger
>>2280858I really despise tiny ass details in the units like that. Original AoE1 and 2 had very clearly distinct units at a glance. Might look good on a single individual model but ingame you're seeing 30 of these running across the map at 10% the size they were made in. Very odd visual decisions going on there.Elite Chu Ko Nu is a big mess too.
incredibly balanced matchmaking once againone of them was 2k in 1v1, we're all ~1,2konly "won" because of a desync
I have no issue differentiating between the regular and elite units
Having now finished all the Forgotten campaigns, Prithviraj is the best by far (however it's also really easy)
>>2281786good morning
>>2281803Indians aren't awake yet brother, give it another 6 hours
NO DON'T FUCKING BLUEBALL ME LIKE THIS GOD DAMNIT!FUCK!
>>2281932Huh?
>>2281955The Moderate AI surrendered before I could pillage his base with my infinite Elite Huskarls.I spent an hour getting all of this ready...
>>2281860good night
>>2282009moderate ai does fuck all and surrenders really fast
>>2281932I'm surprised it surrendered before the TC went downTCs and castles are usually the trigger
>>2281932Green realized you were a smurf and toying with him
>Hera is 5k>Daut is 3k>Liereyy is 4kThis ELO inflation is crazy, when does it trickle down to us low ranked players?
>>2281932I wonder if the command that prevents AI team mates from giving up and resigning works for enemy AI.
>>2280456>>2280718Overall winrates alone aren't enough, specific civ matchups are important to balance as well.
>>2282198>trickle-down elonomics
>>2282192That's the thing, I'm not.I only have 24 hours and I can't even beat the Joan of Arc Campaign's second mission.I'm just following what I can remember from the tutorial.>>2282045He had like 7 TCs and another Castle after the one I took.The AI builds like the Amish on crack.
>>2282198It's Elo, not ELO, it's a name, not an acronym.
>>2282398https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSJeHDlhYls
>>2282419Good taste.
>>2282396Nevermind
>>2282493Bronze...
MF GOTHALL INF
>>2281932if you hit them with the 104 taunt the ai doesn't quit until they are defeated
I'll send you back to age of empires 1!
>>2282528I didn't wanna use a guide...
you don't need a guide
>>2282609You underestimate how stupid I can be.
>>2282617it's Franksbuild knights
>>2282626I thought they were French
alright now I'm onto the post-Prithviraj campaignsthis isn't looking good...
Holy fucking shit I forgot how miserable the first Tariq mission waswhose idea it to surround a castle with 4 fire towers when you only have rams?
>>2282775>Tariq missionThey added a buckbreaking campaign?
How are Teutons meant to deal with archer civs and especially cavalry archer civs? Siege+meatshield? Their skirms lack bracers, they have no arbalests, all their bonuses are for dealing with melee attack and their cavalry is slow.
>>2282581My favorite is MBL going "I'll kick your ass back to voobly!"
>>2283728Yeah just mangonel their shit
>alright infantry, what's the one thing you do better than archers or cavalry?Well uhhh we destroy buildings faster
>>2283829they're cheapthey can't be countered without spending gold
>>2283852won't this advantage only come into effect during trash wars?
>>2283888it's good if your enemy tries to play passive or defensive, they force a gold unit reactionif in feudal and they went scouts, their only real option is to counterraid, which is predictable and easy to wall off, or they're forced to go archers to defend within castle they must answer with knights or archers and can't just chill and boom
I played Franks into Teutons on Hard Arabia.I think I might need to read some guides.
I turned Frank's into Teutons via hard alchemy
>like the civ on paper>it's an indian civ
Why did nobody tell me that one mill with 10 farms wasn't enough to win games!
a milf with 10 arms??
>>2284138imagine
>>2284133wow you play like me when I was 8 years old
>>2284124Dravidians or hindustanis? IDK how you could like the other 2. Hindustanis are actually persia-turko-mongols so you can still play them.
>>2283829>Destroying builds isn't a good roleHow does your enemy win without their buildings?
>>2284236wow you sound like me when I was 8 years old
>>2284231yes dravidians. Infantry civ with good archers and excellent skirms sounds really good. But Urumi Swordmen are so lame
>Moderate AI is too easy>Hard AI has 50 buildings and deathballs me before I even reach Imperial
>>2284258FIND THE TACO
>>2284293do you have gold medals on all the Art of War missions yet?>n-get them
>>2284297
>>2284308so if you know how to do these things, why is hard AI slapping you
oh wait a minute I'm blind
>>2284296kek
>hmm, berbers, a cavalry archer focused civ>who will we have them primarily fight?>GOTHS
>>2284336Because merely a man, how can I defeat a machine?
>>2284420>Because merely a man, how can I defeat a machine?"Nah" and a shotgun.
>>2284420The skirmish AI will fold in the face of a rush. Use what you learned in "fast castle age" to perform this, particularly as the Bulgarians for their free militia upgrades (but this will be a big crutch). There are many effective rushes that will crush the AI, but MAA is a go-to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPocLXLyPuMour goat is not satisfied with the water rework
https://x.com/demk0814Japanese Ages Fan who writes a manga about Cute Girls Investing got an anime.Likes AOE3.
>>2284959I really see no point in separating from techs and nerfing Demos so hard. Why not just keep them together with the new ship in the Medium/Heavy warships upgrades? Feels kinda silly desu. Or at least make stuff like Carracks and Galleys use one upgrade, Fires and Demos use another.
>>2285123afaik every civ with a unique water unit is losing access to demos so your suggestion of upgrades would become complicated
>>2284420The AI is shit at defending from a rush and also shit at making a coordinated push, either attack them early or build defenses for their constant trickle of units to die on. desu multiplayer is more fun, RTS AIs are almost always simultaneously dumber and smarter than real players in all the wrong ways
>>2285065I wish I got an anime
>>2285132Civs can still have partial upgrades on their regular warships like missing Galleon or Fast Fire ship but still having the Heavy Warships upgrade.Either way, missing demos in feudal because you have a Caravel in castle makes no sense to me.
What makes me a good demoship?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T PUT LONGSWORDS IN A SIEGE TOWER AND HOOVER AROUND MY ECONOMY!>>2284959It went from galleys being OP to hulks being OP so not a huge improvement
honestly kind of based to see a siege tower actually being used
>>2286087>first comment in the chat is suggesting a nerf to an incredibly niche unit
> 4chan will be down for scheduled maintenance at 11AM EST on Monday the 8th where am i supposed to go...
play some AoE2 :)I just finished the tariq campaign! (it stinks)
>>2285206>desu multiplayer is more funI know, but I'm scared that it's gonna turn out exactly like my League and Dota games where I get dumpstered even at the lowest Elo and I just don't think I can take it.
I may have quit the Hard Skirmish because I was already behind BUT, I did learn something.A single Guard Tower can counter an entire Archer and Skirmisher Rush.
>>2286773you mean it counters the AI. A real player will simply walk either around or under it
>>2286776True.I'm just trying to practice my timings and shit for the time being.
>>2286613Hopefully it never comes back up.
Grim
>>2286827
>>2286851
>>2286854
>>2285207You'll get your anime some day. Many lil jeets are in awe of TheGhostmaster's skills.
>>2284297iggers
Hey wake upPost about campaigns you're playing
>>2287526I still have to finish the last two alexander missions...
>>2287532yeah well what's the holdup?
malay food dominance...I kneel
>>2287543I got a bit burned out of playing as ITEEE MAGADONES. We shouldve had some more missions as Thrace and Puru sprinkled in.
>>2287578I hope you're Companion maxxing
>>2287545Malay fish traps used to be infinite.
ima firin malaysers!
>>2287580I've been doing the decline period strategy of massing shield Phalangites and it works well enough with Peltast support and now Elephants in the indian missions on hard
>>2287585haha that's a weird way to spell legendary
>>2287601Hard is already a pain sometimes, Legendary must require some savescumming.
>>2287616>Legendary must require some savescummingCan confirm it doesn't.
>>2287616>Legendary must require some savescumming.Skill issue
>>2287779>>2287775nah you didn't beat Gaugamela first try
>>2287783I didn't but I started over every time.
>>2287783What >>2287788 said
>>2287526I've still yet to play the Chronicles of Greece campaigns since I bought it with the AoM Japanese expansion
>>2287919Alexander and Greece are tippity-top-tier AoE2 SP content
Sicilian cataphracts
>>2287616>savescummingYou didn't beat the video game
>cummingYou didn't beat the video game
this game has awful balance
>>2288747how so?
https://www.ageofempires.com/news/whats-coming-in-2026-for-age-of-empires-and-age-of-mythology/AoM>Demeter for Greeks>new Aztecs pantheon Age2 >February 2026 South America expansion, The Last Chieftains: Mapuche, Muisca, and Tupi>Musica campaign will have two paths to followAge4>Spring - Chinese campaign>Later expansion with two new civs: Vikings and TBD, a co-op crucible mode
fuck yes more bloat and bugs and dogshit balance
>>2288942We won.
>>2288942>New architecture set for the south american nations.The Incas will finally look different from the mesoamerican nations.
Im chilean and I wonder what the fuck MS perspective will be about the Mapuche, considering that they are still alive and committing terrorism in the south burning forestal industry equipment and shooting people around
>>2288981>committing terrorism in the south burning forestal industry equipment and shooting peoplebased!
>>2288981Oh hey I just saw your comment in Ornlu's video
>>2288942>AoM gets highly requested faction and expansion to one of the classics>AoE4 gets actual campaign expansion and highly requested Viking civ>AoE2 gets literally who tiraflechasreally feels like 2 got the short end of the stick there
>>2288981We get to play as the Aztecs so why not
>>2289066>who tiraflechasThey aren't fantastic, but they fill all of the gaps in South America>Inca - western mountains>Mapuche - southen plains>Muisca - northern hills>Tupi - eastern jungles
>>2289098theres no mexicans who identify as Aztecs in open revolution against the goverment
>>2288981We already allow Saracens and Slavs ingame
>>2289127eww, modern politics
>>2288942>Mapuche, Muisca, and TupiMississipi never ever....
>>2288981ok spaniard
>>2288942what about age3?
>>2289178Anon... I...
>>2289178Danish and PLC release year changed from 20XY to 2XYZ
>>2288942>these mountain dudes who never say a body of water bigger than a mountain lake will get cannon galelI really think they should rush the cannon galley reskins and rework before adding these dudes
>>2289256They might be added alongside the expansion, like the lou chuan
>>2288942>Tupikek, literal stone age savages. I don't get how random civs like this keep getting added when there are still gaps in Europe. Europeans are clearly the best fit for the game given the units, techs and settings. Microsoft clearly only care about marketing to their playerbase. The 3K was added because of the big chink playerbase and this one is for the big sudaca playerbase
>>2286308>>first comment in the chat is suggesting a nerf to an incredibly niche uniI must BOOLANCE.
>>2289305Dunno about the hue spear chuckers or the congolombian spear chuckers but I am pretty sure the average argie or chilelan won't feel represented by the fucking Mapooche of all things
>>2288942>>2289256>MuiscaWill they get El Dorado technology from Maya? Would be far more fitting for them.
>>2288942AoE3 bros...... not like this...........
>this will endure 30 cannon shots
>>2289383Cannon shots can't break Tupi wood
>>2289350well i do, because they survived unlike any other tribe not by pity but for willpower and fightingeven if they are just a bronze age type of civ, real chileans support them. Only subhuman pseudo-european faggots would hate on brave warriors
I wonder if Mapuche will get stables or just unique cavalry unit.
>Tupidid they ever do anything of note besides all their women defected to the Portuguese?seriously Tupi women got fucked constantly and were pumping out pardo kids every year, constantly pregnant with half-Portuguese babies from Menarche to Menopause that's where the modern Brazilian comes from
>>2289401Unique cav that can only attack villagers and economic buildings.
>>2288942AMERICANS WE ARE SO BACK
>>2289405Please understand. We need to appeal to Brazilian market.
tupi farmers can use lumber camps to drop off food
I'm shocked the Guarani didn't make it but I guess there aren't that many Paraguayan players.
>>2289401Mapuche will heavily themed on "stolen spanish units/buildings" but with their own flavorAlso calling it now: they are getting free redemption in castle age
>>2288942were vikings still relevant after the Normans took the English throne?
At least one of the 3 will get Block Printing despite not even having a written language of their own right?
>>2289473>still crying about non-accurate techs 25 years laters
>>2289495Yeah but unlike the usual examples laughing at sucaca civs will never get old.
guys who started playing AoE2 in 2020: block printing? That breaks my immersion
>>2289502>sucaca
>>2289505Calm down John AoE.
>>2289401I assume they will only get cavalry in Imperial Age? It's the only thing that would make sense and would be analogous to other civs only getting gunpowder then. Come to think of it, that would've been a good way of giving American civs cavalry in the first place. Surprised Ensemble never did that for Aztecs
>>2289518Probably muh regional identity.
>>2289454They're probably be covered by the Tupi, since they're also called Tupi-Guarani
The Muiscas are why they gave the Turks their full gold bonus back despite not needing it at all right?Wonder if the shadow patch has clues on the other two if you read it like that.
Oh christ no, not more mud hut mezos. Can't wait to see mapuche get paladins because they stole spanish horses sometimes. Fucking retarded.
>>2289602>thinking it will stop at paladinsThey will get a full stable.
>>2289606Well of course and their UU will be a conquistador but better because why wouldn't it be?
>>2289602It's clearly going to be some kind of regional new-world cavalry.
what's it called when you invent a scenario that almost certainly won't happen, for the sole purpose of complaining about it?
>>2289633Being realistic.
>>2289633The DLCs must sell anon.
youre telling me handcannoneers will now have 3 more civs theyre good against?
>>2289664>cavalry>not!skimsSorry, only one more civ.
I don't really understand the point of handcannonsarbalests already counter infantry
>>2289405Source
>>2289683Don't worry neither do the devs.
>>2288942will the Aztecs have a human sacrifice mechanic?I must know, hopefully the devs don't pussy out of letting us drag people to the pyramids
>>2289692>nords gimmick but badSounds too tedious. I imagine it will be something like sacrificing popspace for favor generation (symbolizing your inability to gather people because they are all getting sacrificed).Havibg to bring captives back or simply setting a production buliding to autobuild and garrison to the altar screams bad game design.
>>2289699what if it's like egyptian empower ability but it kills the unit that you task for it?
>>2289716Aztecs sound like they would have cheap units so it sounds both OP and useless.
>>2289721>both OP and useless.
>>2289733I'm no expert in AoM but from what I saw it's kinda trivial to get infinite resources at a certain point in the game, would you use such a technically good gimmick to enhance one building when you could just build 10 more instead?
>>2288942>mapuches FFS i'm tired of chilindios I have to stand them in aoe2 too?
>>2289758Just be 2200+
>>2289502>sucacayou had one job
>>2289633Being smarter than your dumbass who has seen this happen over-and-over yet lack basic human pattern recognition.
Made it tierMuiscaMapuche---Future TierPurepechaZapotec---Tangut (Khitian split)Dali---ThaiChampa---VlachSclaveni---KongoSwahili---What are you smoking?Tufan (Tibetan)Alemanni (Swiss)Somali (Swahili split)Chimu---What are you talking about TierChachapoya (Inca split)Oromia (Ethiopia split)Rus (Slav split)SaoSwedes (Viking split)
>>2289862The Onas looking more likely by the day.No that's not a good thing.
>>2289585>The Muiscas are why they gave the Turks their full gold bonus back despite not needing it at all right?Turks is mid af, they have one map they are good at which is arena, +5% keeps them competitive on the other maps
>>2289849>>2289640>>2289634OK bro chill you didn't need to respond 3 times
why are Malians labelled an infantry civ when they're more of a cavalry civ
>>2289862Wild how the list became canon all of the sudden desu.
>>2289881Glad you learned your lesson, don't post retarded shit next time, retard.
>still no tlaxcala civcmon man
Noy buying anything until they add a Uralic DLC with Finns, Tavastians, Karelians, Sami, and Estonians. These are ESSENTIAL civs of this era.
>>2289683you dont have to tec into it
>Not Euro civsGarbage
>>2289909>tfw this image might actually be true one day
Approaching league of legends syndrome
>>2290122>>2290122>>2290122
