Filian illegally used the Rindo IP for her Nendo without the permission of the artist.https://x.com/jingo_1016/status/1809101855655670159
>>79947406Perks of being an indie, they don't need perms.
Well there goes the Nerissa collab
>>79947406it’s ogre smacker bros
>>79947406Wonder if he will sue her for IP infringement. Please, it would be fucking hilarious and might even trigger more shit to happen to indies.
how the fuck fillian still using rindo model? she should commission her own unique avatar at this point
>>79947454can't imagine having my brain so rotted I use the word "perms" to defend breach of copyright
>>79947454They do, but the just break the law constantly. I'm not against it, but it is illegal.
Oh boy, it looks this is what's going to completely shit up the board soon. The spamming has already started
>>79947454being an indie won't save you from copyright claims, you retarded seanig.
>>79947454this retard is damage controlling with this in EVERY threadfillians shills are going to work overtime
>>79947888Fucking perfect excuse for sisters to hide their failed concert. They're definitely the ones that alerted the artist.
>>79947454You are poisoned by VShojo mindset if you genuinely believe you are free from the copyright system with "indie" title
>>79947888Beats the constant homobeggar/unicorn bait threads. Nice to have something fresh for once.
>>79947454>they don't need permsshe's might actually be in some serious trouble. depends on the release form used by the artist when someone purchases their model to use in VR chat. but others have started to point out she's been using the artist's character for a bunch of other commercial products.
>>79948216She's fucked lmao. Hope they can work out a deal, but this is clear cut
>>79947406Shes just going to buy the rights The endNothingburger
>>79948112>retarded holodrone somehow makes this about vshojoHilarious and rent free
>>79948269>holo out of nowhereNow you both are retarded
Who is Filian?
>>79948112>You are poisoned by VShojo mindset???
>>79948246yeah, if everything goes well she'll just have to write a fat check for back pay and enter a formal contract with the artist for the rights to use his character for commercial goods
imagine being a retarded indie
>>79947888Nobody cares about filian
You've all wished Rindo the best for her surgery, haven't you.... HAVEN'T YOU.
>>79948262I mean yeah that's the right thing to do. It also protects her from other people making knockoff Filian goods since she now owns the IP in a commercial sense. Right now technically GSC can opt to not pay her since she doesn't own her image.
>>79947406He smells money $$$
inb4 it's a miscommunication issue and the guy will be like "Oh, right, THAT vtuber, we have agreement" or something. Not defending that annoying cunt, but nothing really happens lately.
>>79948262Why would he just settle on a one time thing when he could just milk her for years?>she could just change modelsWe all know she won't.
People watch streams with adblock on of streamers playing games they pirated or are openly playing on an emulator or they're watching other people's youtube content to react to. The whole culture of streaming is like this from top to bottom. I'm suprised this doesn't happen more often, if anything.
>>79948925Gura was a retarded indie once
>>79948262>>79949360You do know there are hundreds of other Rindo users? They still own the rights to use it. She literally cannot buy the IP.
>>79947406This is a trollpost. I hope janny deletes this fake news thread.
>>79949829I honestly hope she does end up buying it and just let it remain free use.
>>79949933>pickmeStopped reading, post tits
>>79949829This, the only thing she can do is negotiate with the creator who will almost definitely be demanding a cut of merch sales.
>>79949766if shes retarded shes not in holo now KEK
>>79949952Her buying the model still doesn't give her the right to sell merch.
she should had done what vedal did, but filian has bonked her head too many times
>>79949933Vtubing didn't exist before Gura
>>79947406Filian should do what his slimy friend Vedal did and commission Anny to do a barely distinguishable version of the free model you used to quick start your career (without giving anything to the original creator).
>>79950430vagina tubing was thing even before internet, it was in form of olest jobs in world
>>79948216>honest to God twitter snitchesLol. Lmao.
>>79947406the mental gymnastic of /lig/ger defending it and saying that indie dont need perms for copyright is hillarious LMAO
>>79949952>She literally cannot buy the IP.
>>79950598I mean.... you can't pay bills with exposure bucks
>>79950430Newfag
>>79950602Most "liggers" hate filian you fucking retard. /lig/ isn't some empire like Rome /lig/ is more like the tribes/clans of Germania.
>>79950618if artist/creator agrees to sell, who else is there ask, VRchat owners?
>>79949829But cant she specifically pay for the commercial rights?
>>79948298
>>79948246this isn't a real license contract btw
>>79951563That's a visual summary included in the full license agreement, the actual pdf included with the models are fully detailed and legally binding
>>79949829the model creator doesn't own the filian brand and doesn't have rights to profit over what she does. the downside of selling assets for cheap with permissivelicenses is that you don't get to assert IP rights whenever you feel it's personally advantageous
>>79947406How does this even happen? It doesn't seem possible to pass the checks unless this person just pretended they created the model themselves.
>>79947406Yo Filian this is why people need to have a character that they actually have the rights to. To save from legal headaches.
>>79951730the license I'm sure doesn't give the model creator rights to ownership over someone else's brand
>>79947406We already have a thread for this faggot
>>79947669>trigger more shit to happen to indiess/indies/fleshwhores
>>79951795It's possible that they thought crediting the original artist would be enough >>79950758
>>79951731>retarded snacker doesnt know what a license agreement is
The fact that Filian is still getting away with using this free VR model is kind of insane. Someone as popular as her should be able to commission a real model.
>>79947406
>>79951731sure filian can give away filian stuff for free, but she can't sell them at all. she agreed to that when she started using that model.
>>79952129She can sell Filian stuff if it doesn't involve the model.
>>79947454kek
>>79948338The only non-holo to ever make it into a cover IR report
>>79951795>How does this even happencompanies usually have standard procedures, and pre-made contracts etc etc... so the merch companies were probably working under the assumption that Filian owned the rights to the model. and unless Filian brought it up during negotiations they would have no clue who the original IP owner is. The gamersupps one is interesting because they credit the original artist in the product page. wonder if they reached out to the artist beforehand.
>>79952114lmaoooo
>>79951811sure filian can sell stuff that does not use model or its likeness on stuff she wants to sell, but other than that if it is based on model then that brand is meaningless
>>79947454I knew there were some (mostly) dumb people on here, but holy shit
>>79948112Vshojo is an actual company and pays artists.
>>79947406wonder if she knows
>>79952049The more shocking to me is that Japan only just discovered her existence >>79951673 despite being the 4th most popular in the entire world thanks to the nendoroid announcement. She was pretty much under the radar from the japanese model artists so that's why she could get away from it for so long. Too bad the past is now finally coming to bite her in the ass
>>79951811the license also doesn't give the brand creator rights to ownership of the artist's creation.
>>79952049I don't get it I thought she moved onto this model as her OC? >>79952114Welp guess she knows now, I'm honestly surprised no company asked if she owns her model
>>79951811>just steal someone's art long enough it becomes yours
>>79952381She told them she owns the rights to the model when in reality she paid 40 bucks for the use.
>>79951910It's possible that they thought filian already was given consent by the author. They didn't expect her to be that stupid
>>79952381That model is also a recolor of another store-bought VRChat model with the same license termshttps://booth.pm/en/items/2258111
>>79952652>They didn't expect her to be that stupidTo be fair, that's their fault. Filian is visibly as dumb as a box of bricks.
>>79947406Based, I hope this bitch gets sued to hell and back, that'll teach her that buying a character in a game/store doesn't automatically give you the IP rights.
>>79947406Oh welp
>>79952670LMAO why hasn't she ordered an orginal model of the cat girl yet before making merch? She has the popularity and the money to commission an model. Just base it off the orginal she's gonna get sued
>>79952670yeah that's a yikes...
Imagine getting ended by a toy
Yeah Hololive won again
>>79952381That's a Ruskhttps://booth.pm/en/items/2559783Exact same license issues
>>79950598snackers are annoying so I can see why they would do this
>>79952847Dude filian is so based
>>79947406Lmao and this is the same filian that made a short complaining about someone making a shitty AI animation of her model dancing as an advertisement for whatever, I don't hate her but its funny seeing something like this happen. Literally all she had to do is commission an original model, make it like the Rindo one but legally distinct if the recognition is such a big deal, but this is her fault for being so lazy, she's a millionaire at this point for fucks sake.
>flips>commits IP theft
>>79953055I prefer>*asset flips*
>>79952381On a side note I wish she had been using this one nonstop instead of the Rindo one. Maybe her twitch clique wouldn't allow it for being cunmy
>>79952847>It feels grossYou can tell he drinks onions milk and has a tattoo of some 90s cartoon
>>79953067fucking kek
>>79949996https://litter.catbox.moe/qnsz3w.jpg
>>79953067kek
>>79953122Nice bra.
>>79952351>4th most popular vtuberTicktokers with 4X more following then her can't generate a crowd for shit. Shorts views are the most worthless views.
>>79952912That's Mint actually, but it uses the same body
>>79952351I mean, can you honestly name any of the large japanese indies
>>79953245Ui-mama
>>79953122You single?
>NOBODY WILL WORK WITH FILLIAN ANYMOREShut it you monkeys, she's one of the biggest streamers out there. They'll just doublecheck her perms from now on and that's it.
>>79953122marry me
>>79948216>when pandering to edgy 4channers goes wrong and normies want you gone
She is with a uhhh "support management" mythic right? None of the retards there though they should remind her of this? What a bunch of morons.
>>79953122>No nippleDisappointing
Uh oh
>>79953364even if they did she would just laugh it off
>>79953364In Asmonleech's defense he probably assumed she had the rights for her model or had the artist's permission to sell merch
>>79953364To be fair to Mythic, it's kind of assumed you own your own IP.
>>79953364Mythic is just a glorified e-mail list.
>Guys idol cuture is so gross>Holo is so gross forcing the girls into these disgusting roles>Indie is the future!!>steals an artist IPlig bros...
>>79953122Can't believe it actually worked for once.
>>79953308yes>>79953370theyre brown but ill post if filian gets sued
>>79953364some jap sues filian for copyright infringement filian turns around and sues mythic for not doing their job it's a circle of lawsuits
>>79948246>Doesn't put a legal claim on previous marketing works>Trying to do one nowThere's a reason companies like Nintendo do lawsuits for literally the most minor of things, because now Filian can argue that the expectation had been established that she can produce this figurine, since Nip boy never made a fuss about any of the other merch
>>79953041please understand this vtuber in particular isn't the sharpest tool in the shed
>>79953504>theyre brownperfect
Answering to this post from the thread covering the Filian Nendo controversy that just died: >>79952674Actually, there's a streamer like that in the spanish vtuber community, his name is Zilverk and he's very popular with the spics.
>>79953540And now the world is gonna roll her.
>>79953540>>79953572kek
>>79953531Meh. She always collabed with shitters and Japan is pretty secluded.
>western eceleb thinks everything is fair use and copyright law is toothlessI am SHOCKED
>>79953504May as well post em she's just gonna settle anyway
>>79953504Wear a Filian cosplay if you do
>>79953488Liggers lost their big indies to holo now this, not looking good for you ligbros.>>79953504>Courting men on basket weaving forum Do something better with your life.
Wouldn't the usual 'FOR THE ARTIST' twitter crowd be mad about this?
>>79951811>Steal someone's shit>Claim it's your "brand"lol
>>79953504Cool, discord?
Hey remember this?
>>79952847>grossI doubt this creature feels anything but happiness about snitching on someone lmao
>>79953531No, you don't get a pass for copyright infringement and breach of contract because the other party took a while to notice
>>79953664BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>79953631not if the artist is Japanese
>>79947406You know, I always wondered if she had her bases covered on using a model she never offically owned the rights for, and turns out she didnt even try to and commercialized it anyway.This yab could unironically lead to her career ending, what in the actual fuck was this retard thinking?
>>79953664...
>>79953664aw shit... rip
>>79953664It just never ends
>>79953664This shit keeps getting funnier lmao
>>79953664It just keeps getting worse lmao
>>79953664oh god, where does it end
>>79953664>TWO artists>several bits of merch>a game called Oh Baby Kartit just keeps going. Please, more. I need to see the full extent of her fuck up. I thought Filian was alright but this is too fucking funny.
>>79953664I don't care about Filian. But a part of me hopes this is just a misunderstanding or something because how can someone be this stupid...
>>79953664That's not the ringo model. The devs were smart enough to make one from scratch. But I wonder if just having the likeness is enough.
>>79953701Same. When I first saw her put out merch with this design on it I assumed that meant she was allowed to do that, so I didn't question it. But I still thought about it because I knew instinctively it was going to be a gray area for a model she did not own. If she didn't even go that far then she's fucked up really bad lmao
>>79953620>courting men>men of /vt/thanks for making me laugh
>>79947406>Sisters on twitter fighting to finally get fillian cancelled >Niggers here shitting on herIt might unironically be over
>>79953664not looking so good for Filian.....
>>79953701>ThinkingI assume she is just a kid with no concept of responsibility, and never surrounded herself with people who have common sense.
>>79953695>you don't get a pass for copyright infringement and breach of contract because the other party took a while to noticeYou do, actually.>Took a while to noticeNigga, it's been years
>>79953664Mrs. Filian's Wild Ride never ends.
>>79953816You don't in Nip land.
>>79953783Gamersupps toohttps://gamersupps.gg/products/waifu-cups-x-filian
>>79953695>took a while to noticeThere's being a year or so late to an underground bootlegging operation. Then there's literally ignoring official merch, figurines, video game sponsorships, and paid guest appearances - all occurring over a 3/4 year spanDude is going to try and make a case, and the very evidence he submits against Flian will be the reason why nothing happens over precedent
>>79953816If there's no written agreement or contract between them she's fucked
hopefully once filian's career dies /flip/ can be the filipino thread again
>>79953791that's mint, another vrc model from a different artist that she wasnt supposed to use for merch much less a fucking game skin
>>79953786>how can someone be this stupid...You would be surprised. I'd say stupidity is worse than actual malicious intent since it will know no limits until it's too late.
why didn't she just make a legally distinct clone of the model like months ago?
>>79953816No, you don't. You're thinking of genericised trademarks which are a different thing. In US legal doctrine the statute of limitations for copyright infringement isn't even considered to start until the date the copyright owner notices it's happening.
>>79953791>That's not the ringo model.Because it's a different artist's model lol. https://booth.pm/en/items/2258111
>>79953862>Coping this hardAre all liggers this retarded?
>>79953664>My skinShe really think the model is belong to her huh
>>79953791The model used in the game is based on this design that is also property of another artist: >>79952670So she might be really fucked.
>>79953816>You do, actually.You do with trademark violations in the US, and even in that situation it is harder than people think to actually forfeit your right to a mark.Copyright is different in the US, and in any event this will be handled in Japan between Jingo and Good Smile, where things are different from even that.
>fillianislost>loses rights to use the fillian modelThe jokes write themselves
>>79953664>I designed this!oh nononono pepelaugh
>>79953816I think the two artists can easily prove they had little means of knowing. Google trends alone shows that Filian is a non-name in Japan, only searched recently in the mere dozens precisely because she was getting a Nendroid.
>Simply because a copyright owner fails to take immediate action against an alleged infringer, it does not necessarily mean that the infringement is legal or authorized. The copyright owner may still have the right to seek legal action at a later time if they decide to do so.>Additionally, even if a copyright owner does not take action against an alleged infringer, the infringer may still be liable for damages and other legal consequences. For example, if an infringer profits from their unauthorized use of the copyrighted material, they may be required to pay damages or disgorgement of profits.
>>79953957Yeah, she's fuckedhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1WzWx-gw3I1KKIALZnIWY9dh6IDKSzK6l/view
>>79953701>This yab could unironically lead to her career endingHow would this end her career? If anything she'll need to work harder to pay the artist whatever she owns him.
>>79953948>Explaining why companies place lawsuits over small-scale projects for EXACTLY this reason>CopingI keep forgetting this board is full of holofags and indogs, both known for exceedingly low real-world knowledge
Damn, this clip will not age well in the coming monthshttps://youtu.be/0Z6raYURmgs?si=vEb5hlkSYliuLS8U
>>79953816Character created and owned by a Japanese citizen, so Japanese laws pertaining to copyright apply to the design, no matter the nationality of person who is using it.
>>79947406I cant believe using one of the most generic vrchat models with the hair colored white lead to problems
>>79953067HOLY KEK
>>79953932That would cost her $1,000. Fuk that just asset flip some model in VRchat the artist would probably never know.
>>79954014NTA but I would imagine Good Smile (a Japanese company) are not thrilled to find out that they are on the hook for copyright infringement in Japan (a jurisdiction with extremely strong IP laws) because she is a retard and misrepresented to them that she owned the IP they were using
>>79954005lmao
>>79953816She streams only in English, the creators of the models are JP and like others have said here before she's only just being acknowledged overseas so I think that gives the modelers plenty of room. Do you think people can suddenly be aware of every case of copyright infringement happening to them? She's a big name but clearly not in Japan otherwise this would've would've addressed sooner.
>>79954048Theres no way shes that fucking retardedThis is like making minecraft steve your brand avatar
>>79953504>brown nipples>not posting themI've never hated women more in my life than in this moment.
>>79947406How do you even get to be a decently sized vtuber without gradually working yourself towards getting an actual original model, how retarded
>>79953816Discovery rule applies so the guy has 3 years AFTER finding out about it (which is roughly today) to act on it
>>79953701>This yab could unironically lead to her career endingNah, the indies are slop slurpers. It'll fuck her up money wise but she can just change models and they'll keep slurping.
>>79954078Considering her size she probably makes that amount per stream.
>>79953122Cute bra cute chub
>>79953989>Does not necessarily>May>IfPay a good lawyer and drag heel on court proceedings and Filian wins either by the vagueness of it all, or she bankrupts jap boys account via stalling
>>79947406lmao>>79947454>the moron doesn't know how the world workslol
>>79951730What if she pirated the model?
>>79954040Anon one of the most infamous events in the history of vtubers was hololive having a bunch of their VODs deleted due to copyright claims backdated multiple yearsHave you considered people are just familiar with how Japanese copyright autism works because they're weebs
>>79954172>Streaming with a pirated modelNo one is this retarded.
>>79954040>Making shit up>ExplainingYeah you are coping
Filian's gonna cause artists to remove their cheap models with generous licensing from their stores, isnt she?
>>79951795Filian probably doesn't deal with the merch stuff herself, she probably has someone at Mythic that does that and she thought they would deal with the perms, they thought she already dealt with perms and Goodsmile got involved thinking it was dealt with long agoToo many cooks and everyone thought the broth was already seasoned
>>79954175Mio still has nightmares about it, i bet. Or was it Subaru who got hit the hardest?
>>79954005lmfao now THAT'S funny. Almost seems intentionally stupid because the model they used for oh baby kart was based on Komado, who requires you to ask if you're going to use it for a game. But the Rindo model (whose rules are here >>79948246 l) that started this whole discussion DOES let you use it for a game without asking. She literally put the model that doesn't allow this into the game instead of the one that does
>>79953701Career ending? No, she'll just get a new model. But it fucks with her collab chances both in terms of big official ones like Goodsmile and smaller like with other vtubers, since people fucking hate model thiefs.
>>79954213No they'll just go after grifters like Fillian
>>79954151>The woman who can't cover her bases will get a good lawyer She won't magically stop being retraded you know.
so, hear me out for a sec >hey filian you broke the niponese copyright law prease come to tokyo so we can prosecute you in our rigged court system>"no" what are they gonna do about it?
>>79954175Considering you got even that wrong, yesI don't consider any of you credible authorities on law, much less on how it'd work out across nations >Mio wants to buy a DS capture card>the only guy making them quits>Mio decides to mod her DS to record that way(many say she emulated but DS emulation on PC was shit at the time)>nothing bad happens for about 8 months>suddenly Capcom copyright strikes 2 Ghost Trick streams and threatens a channel-killing third strike>Cover panics and makes everyone private all game videos and most other stuff>Subaru's manager goes full retard and deletes everything>Cover enacts requirement to ask for explicit permissions to stream(and preferably monetize, but GTA is an example of them not being able to)>days later Capcom announces Nijisanji partnership with a special eventAlso here's a preview of how bad was it for anybody who joined after it happened:https://files.catbox.moe/v3gzav.mp4Also keep in mind this was mere weeks before Miko's health break and Kaoru's graduation. Many of us legit thought Hololive was done at this point.
>>79954151It's not just one person's copyright who she's infringing, but two. With the model made by Jingo via the Nendoroid and with the other model via having the design being featured in a videogame.
>>79954234How is it possible to fuck up this bad kek
>>79954259>it fucks with her collab chances both in terms of big official ones like Goodsmile and smaller like with other vtubers, since people fucking hate model thiefsI think Fillian being a giant retard and a liability in terms of law is the bigger red flag for big companies.
>>79954048What the fuck is this editing? Is this one of those baby sensory videos I keep hearing about?
>>79954264Good smile is a JP company retard, means her fig is either it's cancelled now or she absolutely has to deal with the JP court system now. Either way she cannot just ignore it.
>>79954204But I found Rindo on VRChive
>>79953701She's too big to fail at this point.Her status as a well respected indie with deep connections is 100% gone though, will not be surprised if some of her usual collab partners and sponsors never mention her again.
>>79954264>Good Smile Company, Inc. is a Japanese manufacturer of hobby products such as the Nendoroid and figma product lines, as well as scale figures. In addition to production and manufacturing, its business includes design, marketing and distribution.>Headquarters: Chiyoda City, Tokyo, Japan
>>79954264Considering how much money she might be on the hook for - they'll come to America.
>>79954264Come to the USA and break her knees.
>>79954269I was laughing so hard back then. Good times.
>>79954264Submit takedown claims? Don't be a retard with a picture of my wife, thanks.
>>79948135this
>>79954151Do you mean bankrupt the original model artist? Do you really think people would be ok with her doing that?
>>79954225Subaru, I think. Her then manager erased a bunch of videos that could be hit with copyright strikes instead of putting them in private like others did.
>>79954259She doesn't have enough money to pay everyone that's going to sue her.
>>79954264>I can bypass country laws because... I JUST CAN OK!
>>79954172Then she would get DMCA'd really fucking hard
>>79948216https://twitter.com/filianIsLost/status/1715414616527044767Surely this didn't happen twicehttps://booth.pm/en/items/2258111
>>79953122Nice boobjob bro
>>79954264File it in her jurisdiction.
>>79954264she would have this on her record>publicly stole the artwork of japanese artist and used it for profit.I wish her good luck if she wants any Japanese company to work with her ever again
>>79954269Who the fuck cares about Kaoru
>>79954389It works for murrisharts.
>>79954264Yes, all those Nintendo fangame creators forgot this one trick. Just don't come to japan.
Filian owns multiple valve indexes. She can afford a few thousand for a legally distinct model to avoid all these problems lmao
>>79954048Jesas man, this clip alone does not make her look good.
> Making the merch-ok model into a game> Making the game-ok model into merchShe retard bro
>>79954259People fucking hate ai in the vtuber community but filian endorsed it and nobody cars because she gets numbers
>>79951479>tumblr memeThat explains a lot of the attitude of the VShojofags
>>79954416Apparently you
>>79954264Even if she says no and they don't presue, no way another company will work with the IP. And her reputation will be in shambles with artists who are a essential part of the industry.
>>79954269when you think about it, its really crazy to see that Hololive beat through that event to still become the #1 vtubing company in the world.
>>79954264Sue her in the country where she lives. Breaking the copyright like that is sueable in evert first-world country.
>>79950430based bait
>>79954399once is an accident, twice is a coincident, third time is a pattern....
>>79954264the only country that openly mocks the japanese copyright laws is China and she isnt Chinese.
>>79954433for future problems, yes. Doesn't fix the problems of what's already happened.
>>79954264You know JP and US are allied forces, right? She's not safe unless she migrates to Yemen or some shit. They legally can traffic her to Japan to settle this if it ever escalates.
>>79954264Sue her in America...?
>>79954382Yeah, now i remember, people called her manager the biggest retard on Earth for doing that.
>>79950480The new model doesn't look anything like this, they are both generic anime girl.
>>79954399>>>the loli model is an asset too kek this cheapskate isnt paying for shit huh
>>79954427Tell that to all americans who tried making nintendo fangames
>>79953409Stinky!
>>79954527>extraditionSee, now this part isn't going to happen and reeks of SEAfaggotry. They'll just buy some lawyers in muttland to do the case for them. Like, it's literally that easy.
It's been YEARS since she started using that model. She's rich. She probably never bothered getting a new model because the model is a part of her image now. She's afraid of rebranding and losing her audience because they won't recognize her.
>>79954453I don’t follow your brown logic
>>79952484>>79953639squatter law works like that
>>79954512Yes, it is well known that she did this.
>>79947406I actually brought this up last year in /lig/ saying that she could get into trouble if she doesn't contact the owner of the model first for merch use and it might make her radioactive to corpos because of how Japan handles copyright issues. All the retards dog piled me saying that she can't get into trouble over it and look at where we're at now.
If she was in say, Zimbabwe or something she could just take the money out of her accounts open new ones and tell the artist to f' off. USA and Japan protect each other's IPs very strongly, it's not something she can just ignore.
>>79954475It was the worst event for sure, but it happened at the perfect time when all of this was new and copyrights weren't insanely enforced. Had it been 2024, Capcom would be draining them dry and probably asking for a yearly lump sum just to keep the yakuza happy
>Doki's mama and Raora gets a hefty paycheck in Nendo deal>Fillian gets most of her Nendo royaltiesI would get pissed too if that were the case
Guys, i have a plan. This message hurts Filian's public image. I think she needs to counter sue lmao. Isn't that a thing in Japan? Like, suing someone even if they are right?
>>79954585This
>>79954537Her models all being assets is nothing new and is literally the most known thing about her next to her ADHD/SuperUltraMegaDeathCocaine addiction, its the merchandizing part that's the one and only problem. Get with the program.
>>79954264She loses by default if she doesn't show up to court anon. Not to mention thanks to Disney they can file wherever she lives with the same legal arguments.
>>79954600Filian fag here. We were sure she asked permission.
>>79954512yeah the pattern is she's a fucking idiot
>>79954588rent free
>>79954544What about telling those who actually committed serious crimes like killing local people then fleeing back to the states and no one could touch them anymore?
>>79954624 (me)Nevermind, I just followed the reply chain and will admit I was a dumbass.She did it TWICE? Fucking hell.
>>79954611Putting it like that makes looks Filian even worse. Hopes the jew slut gets all her pennies sucked out.
>>79954588considering indogs have less developed prefrontal cortexes, i'm not surprised
>>79954664Do you not understand extradition treaties?
>>79954664Those guys' days are numbered, next year they will all go to prison.
She might have trouble even finding a new 3d model artist that will work with her after this.Personally, if I was a model artist and she came to me, I would ask for maybe twice the cost I would usually charge. Make up some random fucking fee for her.
>>79954611hololive has set a terrible precedent of artists leeching off vtubers
>>79954641now you’re just spouting random drivel because you don’t know what else to saypeak brown
>>79954612It's actually isn't. You got misinformed by dumbass on the internetHere is some small company fucked around with frivolous defamation lawsuit and found out, they are named Rainbow One Piece? Only Black or something. You might have heard of themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvWopFd7lRY
>>79954585Yeah its impossible to make a legally distinct white haired fox girl in a sailor school uniform The rindo model is truly the only way
>>79954611that nendo is probably never seeing the light of day. Even if Filian somehow comes out of this in a best case scenario, I don't see Japanese companies working with her ever.
>>79954600They are still running defence here so not surprising. I also brought it up in /#/ some months ago and people where baffled, audiance reflects the streamer I guess.
>>79954612>counter suemaybe. someone said that the artist's booth page didn't even have terms and conditions for usage including merch until recently. it all depends on what terms were set back when she bought it and if she never agreed to any new terms.
>>79954692rent free
>>79954709This, when Nacho collab'd with Gura just to show off her vtuber model, for what seemed like an eternity of dead air and 0 conversation
>>79954612Counter suing an artist in the vtuber sphere is like eating meat at a vegan festival. She'll just end up looking like an unlikable cunt.
>>79954638Bullshit. They said she didn't even need to ask for permission to create merch.
So that's why she likes AI art...
>>79954769>eating meat at a vegan festivalthat's kinda based ngl
>>79954769>She'll just end up looking like an unlikable cunt.So nothing will change?
>>79954717>the newfag doesn't know how anonymity worksI'm not the same guy you were discussing before, redditor.
>>79954734>that nendo is probably never seeing the light of day. Even if Filian somehow comes out of this in a best case scenario, I don't see Japanese companies working with her ever.Most likely, even if Good Smile tried to push the filian nendo forward, they would lose a lot of trust from other artists, so for the sake of their reputation they will probably cancel it.
>>79954612> Isn't that a thing in Japan? Like, suing someone even if they are right?Try asking MichealCar who got indirectly called a menhera by the judge for attempting to sue some nip anon who called her a menhera
>>79954726>they are named Rainbow One Piece? Only Black or something.kek
>>79954769You mean more of an unlikable cunt? She already reached that stage when she was deepthroating the twitch CEO while still having the nerve to call herself indie
fuck I regret paying a lawyer for my divorce when I could have just leveraged the top legal minds of /vt/ for free
>>79954704There will always be someone shameless enough and she can always just do a subathon to pay for it and not commit to any of the goals like every other vtuber.
>>79954704>no poverty line twitter artist will work for this streaming giant because she didnt read the fine print on some nips store assetlol lmao
>>79954264https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention#Country_of_originretard
>>79954786No, what's actually going to happen is people are going to dig up various things she's said in the past to inflate the issue beyond the artist fuckery, and then she'll go full Kick-tier streamer like the Doc did. Slasher, I'm sorry for making fun of you all those years ago.
>>79954264>justice fan>retarded zoomerits just that simple huh
>>79954612You don't have to prove that the statements were made in bad faith to file a defamation lawsuit in Japan but you have to do so to actually win, and you can ask Miguel Gato or Anykuro what happens when someone calls your bluff and shows up to the court
With all these inconsistencies in enforcing his IP and copyright, not having T&C on any sensible area like his website or a contract (until very recently), and with how obsessive legal folks are in nipland to be 99% success rate, Filian more than likely will settle out of court or not even go at all
>>79954336>Too big to failThat's what people once said with Rushia/Mike but look what happened these days
>>79954843The US court system should be nuked and everyone involved in it should be tortured for eternity.
>>79954831>Getting married>No prenup>No established lines in the sand for split upYou would have been too retarded to save anyways
>>79954897>enforcing his IPAre you capable of reading the terms of service?
>>79954831>paying a lawyer for my divorceDid that help or was it as good as using /vt/?
>>79954897The only place he would have to enforce is physical goods, and most people would be smart enough to check if they can make physical merch of the model before they do it. There is no violation if someone is just streaming, and I guarantee you that 99% of people who bought the model aren't breaking the rules.
>>79954932which ToS? The ones he never had posted when he sold to Filian? Or the ones he just spun up a year or so ago and thinks are retroactive to all parties that bought from him?
>>79954831Copyright law is actually very simple.Both the US and Japan use the discovery rule, meaning the statute of limitations starts today. That's 6 years in the US and 20 in Japan.Ignorance on the part of either party is not a defence (ie it doesn't matter if she didn't know it wasn't allowed or if they didn't know it was happening). They can sue at any time in the next 6-20 years and easily win.If secondary infringers (in this case Good Smile) can prove they were given reasonable assurance that she had the authority to grant them the rights, their liability transfers back to her. Since she obviously doesn't have a contract showing she has the rights, you could probably argue they were just ignorant and didn't do due diligence and consider them a primary infringer (and it would be easier for the artist to get money out of them in Japan).
>>79954433Only if she is not lazy enough to do it.
>>79954945It's amazing how obvious of a fumble this was for Filian.
>>79954979proof they weren't posted then?
>>79954979You really are a imbecile holy shitAs expected from someone rotting their brain watching Filian
>>79954979If there was no contract explicitly granting rights to use the model for specific purposes then even streaming with it would be illegal, so you might not want to use this defence.
>>79954979>The ones he never had posted when he sold to Filian? Or the ones he just spun up a year or so ago and thinks are retroactive to all parties that bought from him?What do you mean retard, those were always on the sales page.t. I bought the model long ago too
>>79953504if filian gets sued, you have to marry me, deal?
>>79954979You're just making shit up now goddamn
Why big indie Vtuber couldn't spent $1000 for original design like any small indie Vtuber did?
>>79955003It's in the general thread
>>79954979The ToS in the sale page. I think Fil actually pirated it.
>>79955047And my dad works for Nintendo
>>79955045Vrchat culture is to just use free assets forever.
>>79954908Have you fucking seen her numbers? They were decimated sure, but then learning what decimated means and realize how much of a drop in the bucket that is.
>>79955047too lazy to even post a link? impressiveproof it wasn't in the zip file the model comes in?
>>79955061That would be the funniest shit if true
>>79954048What are the odds this and other mentions of the model ownership gets deleted?
>>79955061She's a retard, but she's not THAT retarded
I'm still in shockShe can't possibly be this retardedHer fans can't possibly be this retarded
>>79955077So you are a tourist and not here for Filian? Maybe just neck yourself.
>>79955045EN big indies are not real vtubersWhy waste money on a VRChat model when you are showing your face in 2 years
>>79948065>\"They're definitely the ones that alerted the artist.\">>79948456 would beg to differ unless that person I quoted is somehow a "sister" in disguise.
>>79955119Proofs?
>>79955045>Why big indie Vtuber couldn't spent $1000 for original design like any small indie Vtuber did?She was probably too scared of losing her audience, since the people scrolling on tiktok/youtube wouldn't recognize her at first glance.Still retarded though.
>>79955111Her fans absolutely are.
>>79954827Fillian that unlikable huh?
>>79954537Bet she pirated the models on VRC
>>79955077Remember when "do your reps" and "don't spoonfed catalogue fags" was actually enforced?
>>79954979>which ToS?The usage agreement thats on every article on booth
>>79955133You don't even visit the general thread, so there's proof your a fucking dramatourist
>>79955119>>79955179I'm so sorry that this isn't turning into the Filian dick sucking thread you're craving.Maybe ask /vtai/ to make some AI art of that for you?
>>79954944I paid $50,000 to lose $400,000
This is the shit that happens when you sign up to Asmongold's agencyFucker has 0 morals when it comes to copyright so it s no surprise they gave her the greenlight for thisAny other agency would instantly pressure Filian to get a legally distinct model
>>79955193Proofs?
>>79955076Anon, she's in Wactor of all places. The girl's done as shit.
>Big name vtuber gets caught red handed profiting off someone elses IP in a way that's clearly against contract, with large amounts of evidence against her>Anons are still acting like fucking over someone is ok if its a vtuber they likeThis board hurts me sometimes manI'm actually struggling to find a way that Fillian not a complete scumbag for this, and trust me im trying.Cancelling my twitch sub.
>>79955111>She can't possibly be this retardedShe's an indie anon.>Her fans can't possibly be this retardedThey're indie fans anon.
>>79955147twitch vtubers change models like every 2 months
>>79955201Whatever you say sister, I mentioned the thing is in the other thread and you need a fucking link to it lmao.
>>79955243Post proofs and months. Also do note, Filian is a known turbo-retard so her fans are screaming the defense that she's retarded rather than the fact that this has been going on for years and there is zero proof of her contacting the artist at any point.
>>79955243Checking their thread it seems like a lot of snackers are in complete denial still and think everything is ok legally.
Indeed, the store page didn't show the TOS back then...However it was included with the download of the model even way back then, so Filian cannot use this as a defense.
>>79955201>Spoonfeed me so i can shift the goal another time waaaahNah, i'd rather you stay mentally defunct over the concept of opening a tab and looking for yourself
>>79955193>>79955183AHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH GET FUCKED GET FUCKED GET FUCKED
>>79955303Ah, so that's where the retarded>Maybe she pirated it so it's okay!?!?!point I keep seeing is coming from.
uh oh
>>79955262>was too busy trying to act like hot shit here that didn't realize he had already been BTFO in his own general>>79955183>>79955224
>>79955303It would actually make things considerably worse for her, since if there was no contract there was also no transfer of rights to use the model in any context, meaning streaming with it was also copyright infringement
>>79955303AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH THEY ARE SO FUCKING RETARDED
>>79955315ngl I also checked the webarchive page and was tempted to almost agree with anon, but I figured something like this was what happened back then.
>>79954757ui-mama is kino though
>>79955071There's even a Vtuber Ugandan Knuckles who makes VrChat streams that has been famous in the Latin America sphere for years, as I pointed out in: >>79953563
>>79951811There are youtube channels out there making a living entirely off of Pokemon parodies. Their own brand is Pokemon parodies and they've been doing it for years. By that logic they own the pokemon IP now...
>>79955303>just go to the thread as proof that its ok for filian to use it!>thread actually shows evidence that it screws filian even harderHas to be someone falselfagging as them to make them look retarded
>>79955352>may be used commercially for personal use onlyI'm sorry, what.
>>79955387Snackers are without a doubt the dumbest fucking western vtuber fanbase bar none.
>>79955193>>79955396That fucks Filian even harder.
>>79955396it's a shitty deepl translation, probably just means streaming and youtube videos are fine
>>79955396Meaning that an individual can monetize it, but not a company.And there comes Mythic into the picture....
>>79955396Slightly shitty translation but basically means you can stream with it but you can't sell it. Because it's a VRChat model.
>>79955286>contracting the artistNTA but are you autistic?It's a public 3D model you pay for the right to use on stream, not something she had personally commissioned from the artist himself. Fillian has literally talked about this before. Also just because she got away with it for years without the artist knowing doesnt suddenly make her innocent.
>>79955387They dont need help from falseflaggers to achieve that
>>79955412they're just actual children. you were dumb as a kid too
>>79955454Sorry, it was a typo. I meant to say contacting the artist.
>>79954084Good Smile owns 4Chan btw.
>>79947406ruh roh
>>79955498>All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.Not so fast Filian!!!
>>79955474Yeah, but when I was a retarded kid I was ERPing with creepy adults on MMOs for free loot or being a squeaker in a CoD lobby.
>>79954014Companies talk in japan, she is very likely to get a blacklist if this actually turns into somethingAlot of artists are very likely not to take her side on this and possibly even not want to work with her anymoreWestern companies might also shun her, considering how she essentially committed fraud, while getting a prominent merch company involved without her knowing.Vtubers who want good relations with these corpos are more than likely to blacklist her.Worst and very possible case scenario, she gets completely shunned by the entire community, and knowing how much of her content is involved with vtuber community stuff and collabs, most likely would mean the end of her channel.
>>79955036but anon you browse /vt/...so the ringo model artist knows, but what about the other model? did filian have merch rights for it? does that artist know? i imagine one lawsuit would already be a bit taxing on her, but two lawsuits seems like a lot, even if you're settling out of court.actually, bottom line: was it worth it? of all the money and recognition filian's earned, and of all the success she's had in the indie vtubing sphere, was any of it worth the legal troubles she's facing now?
>>79955216holy kek
>>79954264She's fucked if she doesn't solve this asap because she'll basically be blacklisted from Japanese companies, i.e. no more figures or merchandise made by Japanese companies like GSC, no more potential sponsored collabs with anime/manga, no more collabs with Japanese games, basically the same thing that happened to Rushia will happen to her.
>>79955702she will just drop the model, get a new one and your seething is all for nothingyour whoreshi is irrelevantb tw
>>79955702>was it worth it? of all the money and recognition filian's earned, and of all the success she's had in the indie vtubing sphere, was any of it worth the legal troubles she's facing now?You massively overestimate how much this will actually affect her Artist might have trouble dragging her to court in the first place
>>79955702>was it worth itAbsolutely not considering all she ever had to do was, and I'd post that image of the niji if I had it, just fucking ask.
Holy shit this is reaching if not surpassing Niji/Selen levels of yab.
>>79955749so now she's showing artists she'll fuck them over? I don't see that working out well in any fashion
>>79955787not even close
>>79955734Dropping the model won't save her from having to pay damages.
It's not like it's guaranteed it's going to go straight to a legal battle or anything, the original terms weren't "don't make merch", it was "contact me about it first". If they just communicate together Filian can apologize for the miscommunication and they can probably just work something out.
>>79955749>Artist might have trouble dragging her to court in the first placeHe can drag Good Smile to court however.
>>79955845Anon he didn't know that this isnt the first time shes releasing merchYou are overdosing on copium if you think he will just go "oh yeah I forgive you for fucking me over for years lol :D here you go"
>>79955787>surpassing selen yabdoki attempting twice is nothing compared to a copyright infringement case that will blow over in a few years. are you genuinely stupid or are you just pretending for fun, because if its the latter, i can at least empathize with you>>79955734ok>>79955749because its a small artist who cant afford legal fees? if so, >>79955888 wouldn't taking GSC to court be even harder, considering how big of a company it is?>>79955845well if she does my offer's still on the table
>>79955888This would be the real kicker. If the artist goes this route Filly will almost 100% start losing alot of her sponors.
>>79954333They can just pay the creator.
>>79955702>so the ringo model artist knows, but what about the other model? did filian have merch rights for it?No. Here are the terms for the other model https://booth.pm/en/items/2258111https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WzWx-gw3I1KKIALZnIWY9dh6IDKSzK6l/view>>79955702>but anon you browse /vt/...No! I got lost on my way to /out/, I swear!
>>79955303The ToS being included with the download of a model is very normal.
>>79955931Where is the proof doki attempted anything besides he tweets saying she did? Does picking up a rope count as an attempt?
>>79953504we like asian women here in case you couldn't tell
>>79955974Anycolor and the organs confirmed it. Are you calling them liars or retards?
>>79955888>canRead his statement, he's already contacted Good Smile, they are most definitely getting dragged into this. The only remaining question is if they can pin this on Filian or not.
>>79955959There is another one https://booth.pm/en/items/33686971 time you could maybe forgive her for not knowing but we are at 4 now
>>79956033christ
>>79956022Yes? They lie all the time.
Can she get away with it if the nendo is simply cancelled? Or is there other copyright infringement involving the Rindo model as well?
>>79956077Sure, let's go there. Why would they lie and confirm that Doki tried to kill herself?
>>79956084Sorry but this isnt communist china. You dont get away with a scam just because "you didnt take any money"
>>79955974wasnt it mentioned in the legal proceedings she's involved in with anycolor?>>79955997right, sorry, ill keep to myself then>>79956033>4i cant be that much older than filian. this is embarrassing.
>>79956084Good Smile would probably sue her for breach of contract. They would lose a lot of money
I find it hilarious that all of you are acting like this will mean much of anything when every single one of these tubers is swimming in cashDid you not learn from shondo or pippa or even grimmi that they're all fucking loaded and any emotion they convey is purely performative?This is a nothingburger and even for filian this is just a minor setback becuase she has milions
>>79956084if by getting away with you mean can't have a nendo with that model ever, maybe. she'll have to get her own model if she wants to avoid running into merch troubles, which she really should've been doing before even thinking about making merch in the first place.
OHNONONONONONONO
>>79956084her past merch?
>>79956219Does that mean things relating to the model or the model itself?
>>79956219wrong part of the tos, that's not about merchandising but about allowing other people who didn't pay for the model to use the actual 3d data in vrchat or a vtubing software
>>79956084She has produced other merch in the past. Youtooz and Novelhorizons come to mind.
>>79956186any company is going to hesitate(at best) to work with her after this
>>79955960can you upload the TOS in there?
>>79955734Dropping the model won't unbreak the laws she broke, nor will it fix her reputation.
>>79956328i can tell you exactly how many people will unfollow her because of this ill even name them all here i go:
>>79956307not that anon but here's the tos from version 1.02https://files.catbox.moe/5ollhh.txt
>>79956365unzip in UTF-8 for fucks sake holy shit
>>79956403it works fine if you download it
>>79956362I agree snacker. everyone loves to work with a huge brand risk and artists love thieves
>>79955960Nobody ever reads README's
>>79956362Now ask her previous sponsors what they think of the situation and if they would continue to sponsor her with this.
>>79956365sweet mojibake bro
>>79956446You do if you want to make thousands of dollars from it.
OH NO WHAT HAPPENED D:That's so weird, I don't think any nendroid has ever encountered anything like this before ToTDid you received a confirmation/OK sign from the artist to sell merch?
>>79956446most people aren't trying to make merch of a default skin so they don't need to
>>79947406Just like Sonichu is an original character, so is Filian.
>>79956509gets me every time
>>79956509I hope this never gets old, it's too good.
>>79955845You have to hope the artist is understanding of her making so much merch from the IP without bothering to contact her ONCE.It's a very bad look.
>>79956509fuck this fits too well
>>79956446Right but that's not a valid excuse
>>79956692Well, it depends on the artist. If he's one of those ummm heckin respect artists chud!!! people, this is probably going to court. Maybe he'll be reasonable and understand lazy people who don't bother reading all the TOS are common. We'll just have to see.
This is such a clear cut case of her fucking up. No gray areas, no misunderstandings, she just straight up violated the terms. It's oddly refreshing.I'm looking forward to the inevitable False coverage. Not because I care about his shit, but because there is only one way to cover it and it will make snackers mad at him and that would bring me joy.
>>79950480I mean, it's only smart.
wouldn't it be more beneficial for the artist in the long run to just-not sue-not ask astronomical amounts for compensation/settlement-ask for a fat percentage from nendoroid sales and other merch salesinstead of-waste money on legal bullshit-tank filians brand and angry her fanbase-tank your own brandisn't this just shooting the chicken that can potentially lay golden eggs?
>>79957121we're in the bargaining stage now I see
>>79956692>>79956781From my understanding Rindu or whatever the model is called is an active source of revenue for the artist, so it isn't as simple as him/her being a good understanding soul.
>>79957121And how much filian will pay?30%of everything?
>>79955734She's going bankrupt lolThere is no new model
>>79957121>golden eggsFillian is a ticking time bomb
>>79957121There's no doubt he's going to ask for both a lump sum and lost royalties if it gets to the legal stage, and truthfully he should since it'd be way bigger than any out of court settlement. >tank your own brandWhen he's the objective victim?
>>79957121The only reputation being tanked is Fillians>almost 1million views in 5 hours on the tweet calling her out
>>79953067lmao nice one
>>79957121>paying by muh expusuris not a golden egg moron
>>79957347yea, if only there was someone with an unused white-haired catgirl model lying around...
What are the chances this ends in a six digit lawsuit
>>79957476Phasebeggers already at it.
>>79957476That won't save her from>>79957533
>>79957533WORLDS FIRST LAWSUITATHON
>>79957284But there's also the (weaker) argument to be made that the model is only popular because of Filian.
>>79957628it's not though. japanese barely even know who the fuck filian is. most of them, even the hardcore vtuber fans, probably never even heard of her in their lives
>>79957628that's just straight up incorrect
>>79957628Delusional
>>79957628Braindead fucking retardhttps://exhentai.org/g/1824706/e226682970/>2021She was using that model because it was already popular and shes a grifter
