rip kawaii in 2 days
i’m surprised they lasted as long as they did
>>86937440Weren't they doing well enough to have idol concerts? What happened?
Any rrats?
phase and eien when
>>86937440rip but already saw this coming from miles away.
For the sake of argument what else could it be about?
>>86937440They survived for a lot longer than I expected. They had a good run.
>>86937620Being bought out?
>>86937440Its annoying how often nene used the "announcement" bait thumbnail and stream that i figured this was nothing big... Now i see something is actually going on. It was good while it lasted i guess
>>86937440Charzu come home
>>86937701I guess Brave it's buying it's way into small corpo monopoly, one small corpo at a time.
>>86937565Nope, there were no hints before this, no black corpo stories or anything, completely out of nowhere>>86937620Pic related is all we know for sure
>>86937952>listen to my words until the endVery reminiscent of the NijiEN black stream by wording, but probably not the same material therein.
>>86937620multiple graduations
F Kawaii. Nene is going to be even better as an indie. Shame for Isla, Shee and Lua. I hope somebody poaches them.
>>86937952The girls haven't been able to receive fan mail for birthdays for months now. The signs were right in front of us.
>>86937758She agrees, she said she only did it so many times because she never thought she would actually need to do a serious announcement like this one day, she said she regrets doing so many clickbait announcements
>>86937565They were recently bought out by a large company. Most small corpos are in the red so when you join a large company your days are numbered.
>>86937784Boy when the Brave venture capitalist bell tolls we're gonna see a culling on a previously untold scale
>>86937701Kawaii was already acquired by a major company
>>86937440missed a few
>>86937565At the very start of Nene's aftertalk she talked about how her new song isn't under the Kawaii brand, it's under her own brand.One of the girls tweeted on their alt that they're not allowed to talk about what the announcement is before it happens.
>>86938453Well, that’s pretty damning.
>>86937440if true then goodfuck em right in the pussy in fact
>>86938102>>86938453Ok yeah this pretty much tells me things are over for kawaii, if nene who is hugely loyal is doing things under her own banner shes on her way out
>>86938453She wasn't even hiding it, someone in chat said her new orisong fits kawaii's image well and she promptly corrected him saying the song fits Nene Amano's image not kawaii's
>>86938748So that's why she was love bombing lately even tho she hasn't really been for months, ensuring we follow her i guess. Smart but pretty scummy
>>86938912Nene lovebombs in literally every ASMR stream.
>>86937440AAAIEEEEEEE
>>86938998I'm not talking about that, ASMR is different. I'm talking about her tweets and the way shes been on stream
>>86937440Well they shouldn't have said shit about axel when they had nothing to do with it
>>86937440another bastion destroyed
>>86939183She's scared. It's understandable.
>>86938045No, your memory is failing you or you are using the wrong metaphor here. This is reminiscent of what happened to Prism Project, where they had staggered announcements all in a row about what they would be doing with retained IP after the corpo sent out their press release. kawaii has a lot of parallels here, they most likely they are retaining IP given Nene's comments about concerts as her character and etc. The only thing that is missing is that their latest generation that debuted this year isn't included probably because the contracts aren't up yet but otherwise, it seems like a similar playbook where 90% of the corpo is leaving.
are they going the same way as idol corp route?which one is good from them anyway?
>>86939473Shee icho.
>>86937440GFEwhores lostGFEtubing failed
>>86937440>GFE corpo dying/imploding out of no whereIs it over for unicorns?
>>86937440Damn that's pretty bad. Was the company shitty or did they just not make enough money?
>>86939711both
>>86939711nene seems like the only one large enough to make money
>>86939581>GFEtubing dies and gets replaced by GRIFTtubinggrim
>>86938321oof, bad timing for Charlotte.
>>86937556>company puts money into two new gens after 3 fucks off>1-2 talents do well the other 7 kind of suck especially Meimi>Shee somehow manages to incline really hard despite being an old channel just because she streams like 50 hours a week on top of her day job>company decides they're not seeing the hololive incline they wanted and pull the plug>will probably make the talents buy their models from them
EPHEMIRAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SAVE US WITH THE POWER OF KAWAII!!!YOU LET THE TRAITOR WHORES WIN??!!
apologize
>>86939396The Prism talents made their respective announcements AFTER the company said the agency was closing, not before. PK has not made any such announcement yet.The situations are similar, but not completely identical.
>>86940074no>>86688166>>86688702
>>86938045>NijiEN black streamKawaii did it first https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A949gYxp3M
>>86940304and who is Elira friends with in Kawaii
>>86940345the blue bitch
>>86940345I wonder... (no I seriously don't know, who?)
>>86940028The whores tainted the well. No one wants another rug pull and the fact management let it happen in the first place means it wasnt outside the realm of possibility
>>86940166the breakdown menhera doesn't change the fact that she was right
>>86940101Sure, but I think the parallels match it more than any other corpo thus far. I still think Kawaii fucked up by not having this done like Prism because the advanced waiting rooms and people being online means we're basically just waiting for the axe to drop because we basically rrat out 99% of the announcement but not the specifics.
Wait Production Kawaii is ending??? What's going to happen to the girls? Are they going to be able to keep their model?
>>86940728We don't know the details niggerchama. Wait for the announcement.
>>86939581Kawaii hasn't been "GFE"tubing for a good while nowTheir entire new gen actively work against that
So how about that V-Dere?
>>86940345
>>86939826>the only one large enoughTell me more
>>86938102Retard. Lethe just got a keyboard from her fans in discord.
>>86941006I hope they get cyberbullied for the rest of their lives, including Spica. But particularly I hope Elia gets shanked in an alley somewhere. The others can live in torment.
>>86941006also on the verge of collapse
>>86937440>Male collab>Core fanbase leaves>All that's left are whales>Whales get bored of playing oil baron>Corpo diesIncredible how small corpos never learn. Killed prism. Killed kawaii. Is killing vdere. Will eventually kill brave.Meanwhile pixel link is thriving. Unicorns are right again male collabing is unsustainable
>>86941286pxl fag spotted. In denial that Coach BBC shine plapped Kanna during their “street fighter practice”
>>86941286>Pixel Link>KannaAnon?
>>86937440I see V-Dere Gen 2's lineup has been announced!
>>86941154jesus, I remember watching that live
>>86937571Phase operates as a for-profit business rather than a VC money furnace, so they're in no danger of suddenly going under because of outside funding getting pulled
>>86940345Namishe's also always the first one to shit on the graduating talents
>>86941112>So sorry to fans left behindTrying this hard to pretend they were gone and didn't instantly reincarnate less than an hour later with all their fans knowing who they are will never not be funny
>>86937440Thats very short term
>start doing male collabs>implodeWell well well
>>86941220>including Spica
>>86942251she's a liar, she couldn't stop fangirling over her senpais but then Nami revealed she was the one who wanted to quit the most
>>86942251manually put a % where the _ is. Firefox is retarded.
>>86942200https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJda9pQp9jQ&t=42471s
>EIEN and Vreverie will outlast Kawaiigrim
>deletedOh wow kawaii has ironmouse level personal jannies that deletes posts about shameful things they've done as their vtuber personasI guess that explains why the daily Mozzu anti threads filled with dox stay up
>>86942388>Nami revealedlollmao
>>86941637Interestingly only her and Ephemeria don't have an announcement waiting room or at least in schedule yet.
>>86942669it was during a members stream, she had no reason to lie
>>86942469She's the only one, kawaii in general went down the drain
>>86942573You have never visited /pkg/. I don't have an image for how hard I am laughing at you right now. Jannies are kawaii antis. They will ban you for posting stream screenshots and warn you for reporting trolls and doxx.
>>86942699>it was during a members stream, she had no reason to lielol
>>86942699>she had no reason to lie
>ironmouse level personal jannies
>>86942699>she had no reason to lieReason #1: Nami is a nijisister
>>86943305Hey what the FUCK
>>86942560Aren't both of those a year and a half newer than Kawaii
>>86943644And in significantly worse shape
>>86937440What was that? it's easy to handle a vtuber corpo despite majority of them failing? Guess doxxagi was wrong all along. Simple my ass
>>86943305the lemon is at it again. from Ame to entire gens no one is safe from this woman.
>>86937440Brave group won again
>>86937673>They had a good runNo they didn't. That was a terrible run.
>Kawaii announces closure on the same day as the Hamas October Massacre(((Coincidence)))?!
>>86940728This is either gonna be a blueball or it does happen but they get to keep their models.
>>86937440>They said GFE will give them all the money>GFEfags claim GFE is sustainable AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
That one anon said that Production kawaii is a bomb waiting to go off... I'm starting to think he's right
>>86945018#notrealGFE#realGFEhasneverbeentried
>>86942560To be fair vreverie is circling the drain due to disgruntled talent and EIEN isn't far off too. This is the year of total corpo death.
>>86945018Shit was over at Oceane.
>>86945018It was destroyed by the male collabing whorse and the subsequent married women, Chink supporting and male collabers they hired down the line.Bottom line is don't fucking hire British Vtubers if you're GFE friendly.
*Ahem*Nami you're a worthless fucking cunt and I think you shouldn't reincarnate after your company graduates.
>>86940304That made me drop Kawaii. I listen to Neena ASMR now.
>>86937440ok so can i expect nene fanbox debut soon?
>vtuber bubble continues to burst Either that or the corpo bubble is bursting
>>86941621>Phase operates as a for-profit business rather than a VC money furnace, so they're in no danger of suddenly going under because of outside funding getting pulledThis. But maybe Clara can save Reina and get her an Invader spot.
>>86945101I just found out that EIEN has a second gen, I thought Skye was the last talent left in the company
>>86945465Or none of that is happening at all and this is Consolidation of an industry that every single industry on the planet has gone through before. That is the natural life cycle of an industry to consolidate top talent under a few big companies and freelancer organizations / trade unions / guilds / business associations. That multiple companies shrinking slowly into a few companies is the natural path of every single industry since the beginning of human economies and that vtubing is going through this now too. That slow shrinkage is not in any ways a "bubble" or "bursting" because consolidation is slow and gradual while bubbles are inflated and rapid.
>>86937952theyve had half the company leave, and no flop hmz and whoever the new broads are don't count
>>86945214They'll keep their models surely, no need to reincarnate
idol and now kawaiiwhos next on the list?
>>86945619>That slow shrinkage is not in any ways a "bubble" or "bursting" because consolidation is slow and gradual while bubbles are inflated and rapid.Retard, the fact a million companies suddenly existed out of thin air a few years ago and they all went under shows there was a western vtuber bubble with a lot of money being pumped into it by investors who have since pu;lled the plug on that unsustainable growth.
>>86937440whoretubing will die in 5 yearsgo CGDCT or go home
>>86945744I know.I just don't want her back
>>86945814And to be clear, "western" only means they are targetting the western market with english spekaing vtubers, plewnty of those failed companies were SEA start-ups.
>>86945619>nijisanjiEN dying>HoloEN new gen got middling reception>small corpos imploding one after another Interest in vTubers is declining across the board. Its beyond the point of diminishing returns. The magic and mystique is gone. Only grifters like Ironmouse or zoomerbait like Filian will survive in the new world.
>>86941286When did Kawaii start having more male collabs? Reina collabed with guys but it didn't tank the company at all, but they had to be large collabs. Reina had other problems than sometimes collabing with guys, like her mic setting making it impossible to listen to her without your ears bleeding.
>>86945897More like only on YT, the interest is still okayish on twitch, which I don't understand why so many corpos are mainly YT based when the EN crowd are mostly on twitch
>>86945966>I don't understand why so many corpos are mainly YT based when the EN crowd are mostly on twitchGee ligger, maybe because Twitch hates vtubers with their awful policies and Youtube works better for bigger corpos?
>>86945788Phase, please. PLEASE.
>>86945897>>HoloEN new gen got middling receptionThey pull in decent numbers compared to every other company, stop seething.
>>86945934same time as the other small corpos, after the globie males debuted and started organizing collabsworth noting that it's only the last two gens, gen1-2 don't do male collabs
>>86945897Because NOTHING is happening. This is what happens when you sidelined EN for so long in regards of 3D, concerts, or their personal projects. Things finally happen after such a long time there isn't hype and it's more like "They finally did it after all this time". All the Jap corpos were fucking retarded and didn't strike when the iron was hot. Now what they do is simply "too late".
>>86946013Sorry, Phase is an actual business so they are good.
>>86946035I tapped out with gen 3, I'm amazed that the rules changed. Management had a hard rule in no male collabs unless it was a massive one like Crab Game. No one on one's or small ones like Apex or Valorant. I wonder how gen 1 and 2 feels about their kouhai.
In hindsight, was losing gen3 beginning of the end? Or were their business decisions poor in general? Haven't checked their 3d concerts but you'd guess that those were simply gigantic money sinks that generated very little in return.
>>86937565Bigger corpo is eating them.Not really a huge rrat when it has been happening for a while, the jews also got gobbled by Brave.Chuuba boom is long gone, and there must be a decline before it stabilizes, like anything else. Expect more to happen
>>86945966they think the SEA fanbase is worth more than the first world viewerssimple as that
>>86945897>middling reception
>>86946149they are owned by a corpo arguably as large as brave, thats why they are being disbanded
>>86946113a whole gen just leaving without any explanation is enough to kill a corpo, im surprised they survived for more than a year after that
>>86946113Management didn't spend a single cent advertising their first 3D concert. Management refuses to advertise for any of them outside of possibly debuts. Anything after their debut is all up to the member themselves. The only positive step they made was that they gave a monthly allowance for them to spend. I don't know how substantial it was, but at least they could pay for games, art, or whatever, but it is far from the amount of support they needed. The only thing the company was good for was debuting members, after that you were hustling like an indie but have JP restrictions and under a corpo.
>>86945966twitch takes a bigger cut than youtube, for indies this doesnt mean much since a lot of earnings is through streamlabs/streamelements, but for a corpo its a big deal since usually platform income is only through super char and memberships. its no surprise many corporations are hesitant to accept twitch as a main platform as they get less cut of the pie, and being a corpo lets you bypass main downside of YouTube, lack of exposure
>>86946176funny how she worked herself up from being in a talent show with Snuffy, Lanya, and Shylily as the judges to eclipse them all
>>86946013>Monkey paw curls, Phase popularity in Japan explodes due to their chuubas' menhera moments and better treatment of their employees
>>86945619There's so much here that reads like pure cope and ignoring the obvious signs, but I am just going to let you continue to gaslight yourself.
>>86942560Vrev is 100% shutting down in the next 3-4 monthsEIEN is just a walking corpse
>>86945966Not to mention, vtuber numbers are down on twitch overall this year
Small corpo scene in 2025 >Phase Connect>Brave group conglomerate (PixelLink is getting buyout by Brave for sure)>VAllure>microcosm of the various microcorpos
>>86946176Liggers who want to watch the world burn can't stand that hololive is still King of the market.
this is the jew corp right?man its comical how no smallcorp can survive in this market except for the /pol/-baiting one
>>86945966twitch "vtubers" are just regular twitch whores using a model, the "EN crowd" on twitch is also just twitchfags who watch fleshtubersthe vtuber/otaku culture isn't a thing there, the few actual vtubers who stream on twitch also have low numbers
>>86946301>popularity in Japan explodes due to <...> better treatment of their employeesWhen has Japan ever given a fuck?
>>86945897>>86945814Hololive created these small companies by gaping EN2 and EN3 with a GOATSE of homoEN1 and 2.Every single small corpo you can think of got big because Holo under Omega neglected the girls and the market to focus on males because he wanted to prove some sort of point. They could have done both if they spaced out the homo gens with women hololive gens but they refused. Every single small corpo you can think of took advantage of Omega's arrogance to grab holofugees and when EN3 debuted and all the holofugees went back home, that was the end and death for most of these small corpos.Hololive made them and Hololive unmade them. If Hololive debuted Males non stop with no EN3 at all those corpos would still be alive because it was never a real movement. Just opportunists responding to actions from Hololive management.The only profit investors saw is>Hololive is being retarded right now so we'll eat their lunch and then run away when they come back for itBubbles are unexpected. This was expected.
>>86946392No.This is super stagnated JP corpo that operates exclusively on the EN market getting rugpulled by their chink investor just like Sony rugpulled PRISM last yearThe Jew corpo got buyout by Brave Group a couple of months ago and Aviel liquidated himself with the money and Katta's pussy
>>86946392it's the CGDCT corpo owned by the japs
>>86946392jew corp went belly up already. This is the Jap-owned hololive wannabe
>>86941354>Kannaqrd?
>>86946314Yep, sounds like esports cope. Just like esports, vtubing corpos are dead. Theres a reason there arent any significant streamer corpos, there are more insignificant streamers than recognizable ones, driving down profits, and in esports this applies to teams, majority of fans are being drawn by 1 or 2 teams when really you need fans for all 12 teams to for the ecosystem to thrive, same with vtuber corpos, every vtuber needs to pull their weight and not have so many overlapping donators
>>86946456they pivoted to niji wannabe since last year
>>86937440Gonna be a long update video even if Kawaii is covered alone
>>86937556Only Nene
>>86946291>Snuffy, Lanya, and ShylilyShe was far better than all of them put together to begin with, One thing that comes across is how polished her presentation is and how good she is at having pre-game comfy chats before games and post-game comfy chats after games in collabs.
>>86946439holostars did successfully steal niji fanbase though, the fall of nini males coincides with the rise of holostars, though only a little since a majority their fanbase stopped watching vtubers completely, thats why yagoo sees this as a win probably
>>86946494>majority of fans are being drawn by 1 or 2 teams when really you need fans for all 12 teams to for the ecosystem to thriveSounds just like the /vt/ league divegrass
>>86946349VAllure is gonna get bought out by Brave too, calling it now.
>>86946573>holostars did successfully steal niji fanbase thoughAnd how do you know that for a fact? All I see is clipfags who are also homobeggars deciding to drop Niji and clip homostars exclusively.
>>86946573The cost that Holo paid to sabotage Niji was a loss of income from the non-loyalist Unicorns who fled to small corpos until EN3 debuted and the great majority of them returned. These unicorns caused small corpos to overestimate their future growth when they should have been treated as an abnormality and temporary windfall. Prism, Kawaii, and Idol all sold to big buyers around this time and it looks like Kawaii's buyer is dumping them. A little late I might add as the best time to jettison was around the time Sony dropped Prism
>>86946573Only because of Niji ENs incompetence. Niji males decline would have happened regardless if there were Holostars or not.
>>86946349I like how Brave could devour 95% of the scene and still won’t break into Big Three territory.
>>86946689all you holofags are doing is making me hate hololive even more than I already do
>>86946671Stronny is literally autistic. She would never do that.
>>86946763Why should I care if a smallcorpofag or nijifag hates Hololive. Holo has been the nexus center of vtubing ever since NijiJP dropped the ball with bad business decisions which caused them to slip, and Kizuna fucked it up before them. People will always hate the king. The difference here is that the current Holo, for all its flaws is actually good and is run by good people.
>>86946828If you honestly believe that and you don't see the irony of your own post you are too far gone
>>86946689>>86946752You guys are missing the point, holostars didnt kill niji, niji killed themselves, but the fans had to go somewhere, and thats why holostars rose from the situation. its like refugees from a civil war.
>>86946828Based holochad.>>86946879Seethe beggar.
>>86946897They didn't rise at all, though.The niji fans just left vtubing entirely.
>>86946562i’ve meant it in the numbermonkey kind of way
>>86946897The dent they’ve made is minuscule, though. Most of the vile masses Luxiem brought in are simply in the ether now, not tacking onto a new target.
>>86946905NPCs are a sad sight. holo is a black corpo just like any other japanese entertainment corpo, it all depends on how big they are with what they can get away with and do
>>86945897Yes anon vtubing is dying, been saying this for like 5 years already. I'll be right some day.
>>86945018well that's just the thing; they broke the gfe/cgdct anime irl fantasy playbook, and coincidentally, they are going out of business nowmany such cases
>>86946917Not all of them. Just most of them. But getting some is better than none, yagoo invested in holostars because he knows there will always be male watchers, providing some males to watch in vtubing is overall in his best interest since unicorn fans are a small percentage of the viewer base and its probably been financially calculated to be an acceptable loss to lose the few fanatics that would defect in the long run.
>>86946671it's going to be VNU
Okay, but which ones are gonna end up in Hololive?
>>86946942Yeah, a lot of Chinese girls just moved on from vtubing.
>>86947011None of them, fuck off
>>86946952I always love defensive comments like this. Someone says that the general interest is declining and the very first instinct is to immediately go>HAHA HE THINKS IT'S DYING KEK TWO MORE WEEKS Like no one said it's going to die but the second you point out how things are decaying, they can't comprehend that someone isn't doing the cabbage patch for vtubers like it's the middle of COVID.
>>86947042then they are irrelevant and no one cares, go back to your soon to be dead general
>>86947063Kill yourself, beggar scum.
>>86947056COVID-19 PART 2 soon
>>86947097they're the ones that are gonna be begging for jobs in a couple days bro
>>86946573What rise? There was no rise. When chink fujos and kpop stans stopped watching nijimales, it wasn't because they started watching holostars, it was because they just stopped watching vtubers altogether and went back to kpop (good riddance).
>>86947056All things decay, but it’s wishful thinking to assume your personal grudge will pan out as you foresee it.
>>86947116And? How is that my concern? You're the one begging for them to go to Hololive, retard.
It really looks like this board vastly over estimates the amount of the fanbase that would stop watching due to males existing in the company. Most people dont throw a fit when a male exists in the company, even male collabs dont make most whales leave in fact, its frequent collabs that does the damage. Compare situations like Calli/Ollie and Miko/Matsuri, occasional male collabs stops no one, frequent ones like ollie and matsuri are what actually cause damage because it impacts stream schedules to a higher degree.
>>86946757Are you retarded?The big 3 are Cover Anycolor and Brave Group
>>86947141I don't care about any of your literally whos, I am purely asking if any of them might become relevant in the future after this utter failure
>>86947177>and Brave GroupBy which metric, warchests? Liquid capital? Because it isn't viewership or mindshare.
>>86947198>Holos are literal whosLobotomize yourself, fucktard.
>>86947137And there it is again. You point things out and you interpret it as a personal grudge. I literally don't want small corpos to go. They're important to the industry. But you're a fool if you seriously believe multiple of them folding or heavily declining is anything but a negative correlation for the industry as a whole.
>>86947198go drop your paycheck on a holochick that is being sent on compensated dates with yagoos celebrity buddies bucko we are busy with CGDCT shit
>>86947243You faggots are literally Nijisanji-adjacent. Burn in the deepest pits of hell.
>>86947243>bucko/pkg/ shitter spotted. Do not engage.
>>86947231actually it is in watch hours number 3 according to that chart people keep posting
>>86947238genuinely impressive how you managed to read that post in the completely opposite way
>>86945101All this reminds me of the final days of Machinima.
>>86947274>holofag has anti'd fellow CGDCT enjoyers in kawaii enough to recognize the /pkg/ shitterman you fags are truly disgusting you know that?
>>86947280Anon, as much as I hate doing it, I have to account for Vshojo, which is something said chart rarely does. In so acting, even subtracting SteelRat, they still hold that third position, unfortunately.
>>86947299>You, begging for kawaiishitters to go to Hololive>me, telling you to fuck offAnd you're telling me that (You) are the holofag between the two of us? Jump off the bridge you're trying to sell.
>>86947300Will Ross save video games? Will he ever make the movie? /vt/ is too young to know what a good rrat in online entertainment truly is.
There is nothing to rejoice about this all the corpo dying means it's a declining and vulnerable market, sure they also have their part of responsibility in their downfall but still nobody can't deny the vtuber market is not growing anymore
>>86947315>kawaiifags>claiming to be CGDCT enjoyer ITYOOL 2024You're nijisisters is what you are. Get fucked.
>>86946562Yes. Now that she is in Hololive, she was better than all indies back then.
>>86947352yes I'm sure most kawaii fans mock their members and organizational collapse
>>86947056If you want to see it as dying sure, go ahead, but it's going to be a very slow one to the point where it isn't even worth considering. People have been saying that vtubing is dying ever since covid was over and they're still here.
you people are grown men
>>86947442yeah, fully grown manchild
>>86947437And for some inane reason you think i'm one of them? Literally, who taught you to read? Fucking giraffes?
>>86947500you started saying I was calling Holos literally whos instead of Kawaii because you can't read or are actually retarded
>>86947442Growing up doesn't grow IQ
>>86947548You're the one who assumed that i'm a kawaiifag when I was, in fact, against them joining Hololive from the start.
>>869460132 more weeks sister
>>86947607No, I did not assume you were a kawaii fag. I assumed you were a holofag too retarded to understand I was shitting on kawaii and not Holo before you launched into your spergy defense of them
>>86947442Hello Sir, welcome to /vt/ a place with a mindset as retarded or worse as /r9k/ and /soc/
>>86946113The fact that they somehow didn't shut down after gen 3 left and even shat out more gens after is a miracle in its own right.
>>86947442That is a necessary requirement to using 4thchannel, yes.
>>86947637>I was shitting on KawaiiYou were quite literally begging. Don't deny it, and don't claim NTA. I call follow the reply chain just fine.
>>86941248they can't collapse as they're not an organisation, they just go their own way
>>86947695speculating on what people may do when their company fails is not begging, you are a moron
>>86946039>sidelined EN for so long in regards of 3D, concertsBlame covid for that.>personal projectsEven JPs were affected by this.
>>86947767>i wasn't begging! I was merely speculating!Complete fucking bullshit.
>>86947830why are you in this thread?
>>86947853To fucking gloat that a den of nijisisters is dying, why else.
>>86947680With all due respect, sir, I must point out that women are technically allowed to post as well, in accordance with the "tits or gtfo" rule
>>86946573Stupid Favela faggot, sisters did not jump the ship into Holostars, holy shit I hate retards like you so much.
>>86947442And (You) will never be a man
>>86937565All the announcements are Isla sex btw
>>86939581it lost when it quit being gfe. kawaiifags are more pozzed than niji at least on 4chan.org
>>86945066kek
>>86937440It's over
>>86946573You've already been given the real answer, so I'll just repeat it for participation points :P The vast majority of Luxiem and other nijisanji male watcher were Chinese, Korean, and other all around east/asian women, and who even knows the percentage of non-asians, they didn't trade them for holostars when shit hit the fan, really maybe 5% of them did, but all those who stopped watching them, completely quit vtubing and/or went back to K-pop and other local vtubers in their regions.
>>86945066
>>86940435She was so right that she is currently mindbroken and at her lowest moral point in her career, imagine how bad it would have been for her if she wasn't a backstabbing bitch and stayed in kawaii.
>>86937440unsurprising but still look depressing
>>86937440the gen 3 whores' fault btw
Another failure small corpo who made no real effort to expand or promote. Thought they could just debut a few gens and become the next hololive. No one creative, no one interesting, nothing unique. Just fall back on GFE and hope a few oil barons will keep you afloat.
I hope they keep their models, I'd hate for such a delectable buffet of titties to be lost forever.
>>86948970japanese would never allow such thing
>>86947231Full retard. Just because all you know of Brave is their English speaking branches doesn't mean they also don't have the viewership numbers on all of its other branches(Which they have a fuck ton btw). Brave is absolutely number 3 its not even close.
>>86947697don't underestimate the ability of women as menhera as mozzu to make something bigger than it should be
>>86949232the fact that menace stayed in idol makes me think mozzu might be joining in some way. I legit thought she was going to take off back when they announced some members were leaving I was honestly surprised to see that she stayed.
>>86949469yeah that's not happening ever
real high quality thread we got here
I hate phasecucks
And now, the last standing out of 5 original small corpos is Phase Connect. Imagine that. In 2021 they were the worst standing among the 5. Talent doesn't matter in this business, it's all about the management. Fucking Phase. Truly the worst timeline.
>>86949138Which noomber is larger here?>>86526796>>86546221
>>86949499God damn, was this before or after Menace decided to stay? I know her and Mozzu are tight so with the audience overlap, that's basically her directly funneling money away from her own corpo. Seems like something you'd get in pretty big trouble for.That said, kek go figure Mozzu is trying to sabotage a second one.
>>86937440>everyone keeps telling me this is the GFE company>turns out only one girl actually does GFE while the rest barely tolerate the no male collab ruleshit company that deserved to diehopefully we get a real GFE group some day
What's the v-dere drama?
>>86940889>>Their entire new gen actively work against that>goes out of business
>>86949801mozzu wants to leave because Airi and Elia are male collabing whores and she is tired of having to do all the grunt work for them
>>86949124Sony allowed PRISM to keep their models.
>>86949751I'm pretty sure Charzu would only collab if she's forced to. I'm not talking about males, but with anyone in general.
>>86949700it was after, and no it doesn't seem like she got in trouble for it. she's basically been siphoning everything to menace, no longer doing ASMR as coni and streaming more as menace in general. idol/brave doesn't want another graduation, so they're probably letting her do whatever she wants until she inevitably leaves in a year.>>86949801mozzu is finding out why trying to manage retarded and menhera women isn't easy or fun.
>>86937440Who will most likely end up in Phase? Who will most likely end up in V4Mirai? Who will most likely stay indie? Who will most likely end up in HoloEN 5?
>>86946989They started doing that because they realized they would never grow past a certain point relying on GFE, just like every other small corpo eventually does. You might be able to get by as a solo indie, but the audience is not big enough to be sustainable over the long term for a corpo.
>>86951444You will have your next 3 Niji Waves and you will like it.
>>86944770they had a good run if you were nene
>>86946989Delusional. They were living on borrowed time even before Gen 3 left.
>>86951835Gen 3 revitalized the company. Then they left.
>>86949751>unicorns rewriting history to pretend they aren't the problem
>>86951444>HoloEN 5No way that's happening anytime soonUnless they decide to fill a 5th slot for Justice
>>86951907As more places push unicorns out, the more EN vtubing declines.
>>86949469>>86949499Don't they live together?
>>86937952>Nope, there were no hints before this, no black corpo stories or anything, completely out of nowhereI hope this is sarcasm. They had half the company leave, including the infamous mass graduation event when an entire gen was so fed up they split off as a group and redebuted as picrel, even keeping the same colors in their new characters. People don't do that unless they're working under extreme stress/bullying/harassment/unfair conditions.Whatever was going on at Kawaii, the end has been in sight for years.
>>86949469I think she's staying under the condition that they allow her to double dip and use both characters are the same time.
>>86941112What an evil bitch, corpo bootlickers ride together... and die together, it seems.
>>86937440>dropped a full salvowhat the fuck, are they trying to outgraduate niji?
more like kwabaii
>>86952472oh no, those poor vdere girls were bullied and mistreated, of course THEY were in the right...I mean Sava would never do anything wrong, right? She's the most trustworthy girl in the world!
>>86937571Eien means forever. They physically can't die.
>>86943305Based. Right at the end of her vacation.
>>86956735title isn't actually wrong because the memory can last forever
>>86956815I want the fuck the left one while she lies on top of the right one
Who bought them anyway?
>>86956882You got threesome money my guy?
>>86956707I blame Oceane for that doxxing incident on the Vdere
>>86956948No one, they got rugpulled
>>86949930>mozzu is finding out why trying to manage retarded and menhera women isn't easy or fun.She is literally the biggest menhera there, more like the others got tired of her shit and picked on her
>>86941874>>86955707Traitors all, Nami was right.
I wish Elia, Airi and Spica all the misfortunes in their lives.
well well well, im bringing out an old gem for this one
>>86955707vdere is a corpo too btw. Gen 2 soon right?
>>86946488Kanna fucks 'fighting game community' members live on stream.
>>86937440Nene carried kawaii on her backI’m not surprised with this outcome
>>86958004I went 0 - 2 at my locals but It's OK because I get to have sex with Kanna.
surprised they lasted so long desu
Been a long time coming
can anyone give an unbiased account of what went down with gen 3?and what happened to them after that shitstorm
>>86959454They were concern about whether their info is secured after the whole Oceane incident, they were not willing to trust management after that and so they decide to leave kawaii
>>86959724lol no, it was over money
>>86959454They left Kawaii, who knows for what reason, and Kawaii tried to threaten them. Some of the remaining talents and most of the community attempted to character assassinate them but they went on to establish V-Dere. Kawaii's actions during the schism made them unpopular and they are supposedly blacklisted by certain chuubas in the small corpo community.Kawaii has a lot of passionate fans so it's a hard ask for a lack of bias. Even I'm biased as a former flan.
>>86960086How was it over money when 3 out of 4 girls were doing well like Elia/Aletta Mozu/Sava and Miryu/Spica
>>86959454the only unbiased account is that they leftanything beyond that, like the replies you've already gotten, is schizo delusions
>>86960267They likely took umbrage with management/company getting 50% cut of their membership/dono money and felt like management wasn't doing enough to merit that much.
>>86960267Im curious what evidence you have to support your claim that it was about Oceane?
>>86939581>Falseflagging with a Pippa pic.
>>86945299same for both
>>86960464Perhaps this will tell you
>>86960691>Oceane terminated>months pass>Sava whining about money>Graduates a few weeks later
>>86959454One left because she couldn't do male collabs and convinced everyone else to leave.
Reading through this thread, it is yet again super obvious that the resident /pkg/ thread shitter is so bored because their thread is not up, that he had to make this one and samefag in it like 30 times.This guy is unironically online for 48 hours straight just forcing drama non stop. It is very rare that I see a subhuman like this on 4chan these days.At least I'm happy that when kawaii reincarnates and doesnt have their own general, he will probably kill himself after he loses his one purpose ni life.
>>86960464this was about a japanese sweets subscription service she forgot to cancel btw. "scammed" kek
>>86960950>because their thread is not up>>86943431
>>86960909Elia/ Aletta is a virtue signalling whore, like 90% of British women. Everything must be done to "own le incels"! This whore is delusional if she thinks that inceloids are not a majority of her audience. Also she GFE baited for months in kawaii and then continued in V-dere and now she is pretending like she doesnt know why are people consider her to be a GFE streamer.She is one of the biggest slimebags I ever saw in vtubing.
does any ex kawaii member still stream?
>>86961138Aletta baited people enough for them to get invested, and once they were all in, with thousands of dollars wasted on her, she starts doing male collabs. The sunk cost must be a bitch with those guys.And I love the standard vtuber whore recipe for male collabs.>Pity bait>GFE bait>Have a successful donothon>Collab with males shortly after itLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO retards will never learn. This exact scenario happened so many times to many vtubers that its not even funny anymore, its just sad because they are all grifter whores and scammers.
>>86961175I think all of them, the only one I don't know is Aruru
>>86961175I mean, gen 3 reincarnated to Vdere and Hana is Clara in phase right now.
>>86937440Ah shit, well RIPThis was the company with that super hot Subaru older sister chick right? Whatever happened to her?Also whatever happened to the rest of her Gen? I vaguely remember them all quitting en masse together and going indie or something right? They still active?
>>86960909Hot, someone can AI slop the bitch sucking on a cock while asking her to join in?
>>86961175Ran Tsukiha just started up her new youtube channelhttps://youtu.be/lZzaDKftPlo
>>86961213Aruru is not currently streaming but according to Bazeelle, she is still posting stuff on X by the name of Maka_vt
>>86961256wait hana is? actually? damn.. aruru? neena? dont care about gen 3/vdere
>>86961557Aruru reincarnated but too menhera to streamNeena is Bazeelle, made a group called "anime waifus"
>>86961557>wait hana is?https://youtu.be/CFbsZ6It9rkhttps://youtu.be/9j0QWdbY4UY
>>86960909Is this from the same topic her wanting to leave?
>>86961749she posted like an hour ago but deleted quickly
>>86949658Damn... Small corpo cucks truly are mindbroken. Sad.
>>86961781Huh, /corpo/ anon was right, it seems. It wasn't the others male collabing, it's that she was getting peer pressured into it.
>>86951444I could 100% see Reina in Phase. She has good friends there with Lia, Tenma, Clara.
>>86961175It's funny, Neena was so reluctant to do ASMR. She dropped her other model and Twitch channel (renamed her YouTube) and seems to almost do ASMR exclusively now. Hana is in Phase now, was in another corpo before that, Oceane is somewhat isolated, probably only collabs with other Indogs since she is one herself (put up a notice to vote for her for Indo vtubers). Then the rest of gen 3 going off in their own group.
>>86962137Reina had 3 years to learn how to stream and still has a ton of technical difficulties. Also she is always occupied with something else so sometimes she gets up and leaves the stream for 10-20 minutes. I dont know who the fuck would hire someone like that.
If Kawaii actually goes under, it would open up possibility for vdere girls to tell their version of the story. But I doubt they want to open the old wounds again. But mozzu will 100% start talking because she can't help herself and shut up if there's a possibility for drama to happen.
>>86962373Clue: look at who she is friends with. Also didn't stop Phase from hiring Saya.
>>86962616Saya is probably the worst nepohire of any company.
>>86962373Reina is a proven corpo vtuber who has demonstrated for almost 4 years that she can work in a corpo environment and be a part of a team. For a place like Phase who prides themselves on being a home to team players, she would fit in. She also friends with all of their Gen1. She is a small corpo warrior.
>>86962616Saya was hired literally just as one of the "big names" of the small corpo world. She probably just off loaded her fanbase onto the other phase girls.Even hiring her just for the "OMG KANNA IS BACK!" debut hype was enough to grab her. It doesnt cost them anything.
>>86962410Don't forget Bazeelle, she wants to tell her side of the story on the fact that kawaii said that she leaked info was false
>>86962975>Work in a corpo enviroment and be a part of a team>Kawaii has a "no male collabs unless in BIG mixed corpo events">Reina openly begs Ren Zotto on twitter for a 1v1 collabShe is trash. She is a niji sister through and through. She only got into vtubing for the money. She doesnt give a shit about the fans or the integrity or whatever the fuck.
>>86963165>big nameyou need to raise the bar on what you think a big name is. she is the runt of the company and most people forget she even exists.
>>86963223I think you are a shit for brains ESL shitter that cant read.
>>86963219Phase has like half dozen nijisisters on roster.
>>86962975Reina was a trainwreck irl, barely streamed, can't do art or animation, and even her fan base is literally who indie tier, she offers nothing but the "cheerleader" personality behind the scenes for other girls. Hiring her as a vtuber would be a complete waste, even more so at phase were they don't get new gens every other day.
>>86963219phase loves male collabs and grifters who hate the otaku culture, she'd fit right in
