https://cover-corp.com/en/news/detail/20241025-01
yab
? It’s literally nothing
>>88145840>Recommendationnothingburger
>>88145840nijisis...
>>88145840This is why Aqua graduated
>>88145840>Got caught stealing KWAB
Cover doesn't pay contractors oof
>>88145949>not paying niggers for not doing their job>this is bad somehow???
>>88145840>Sorry we missed a payment, we already payed it off but if more shit happens we will deal with thatOk
>>88145976read.....
>>88146039Yeah now that they've been caught
>>88145840Can a brother get a TL;DR?
How many threads about this are you going to make?
>>88146039Yes. They were caught stealing and had to cough up the money. That's what usually happens
>>88145840>Recommendation
>>88146254>which they're taking "very seriously"
>>88145840It's reaally upsetting that even after all this cover will still be the top vtubing company
do holoantis think creating yabs out of thin air works when you're squeaky clean like cover?
https://www.jftc.go.jp/houdou/pressrelease/2024/oct/241025_cover.htmlGOVERNMENT STEPPED INAAAAAAYYYYYEEE
>>88146379Holy shit, Hololive is actually fucked. They were caught actually commiting a crime
>>88146351>billion dollar company>squeaky cleanThis is literally why they call you "Holodrones"
>>88145840One more problem from management, they tried to steal money from artists as well
https://x.com/livedoornews/status/1849699536479932658but it's a nothingburger
>>88146436>>billion dollar companynope>squeaky cleanThose morons are to blame for not doing their job well, only artists think they have to be paid for doing a mediocre job.
>>88146514>/livedoornews/yes, it doesn't matter.
>>88146127>L2D riggerr: here's the product>Hololive: wtf? this is so broken, redo it>L2D riggers: done, now pay me extra money for fixing it>Hololive: no, you sent us broken shit in the first place???? Here's the full payment for the normal work. No extra>L2D riggers: um k, im calling the police>FTC: Law said you have to pay them since you didn't specify in contract you have to receive functioning products.>Hololive: okay. Done. It's paid>FTC: ok cool, no violation after feb 2024 found. >Nijiniggers: EEEEEEIIIIII BLACK COMPANY WON'T PAY ARTIST, THIS COMPANY GOING BANKRUPTNo charge, no fine, no prosecution. FTC sends an email to Hololive and they complied.
https://www.jftc.go.jp/houdou/pressrelease/2024/oct/241025_cover.htmlgovernment press release for COVER Corp.
>>88145840>trying to smear cover and fuck yourself out of one of the most lucrative business contracts for no reasonwhy are artists retarded
>>88146720Pay up.
>>88146678You're naive to expect nijimonkeys actually showing signs of understand situations and events
>>88145840Can some one in explain this in basketball terms?
>>88146678Nijinegros are desparate
>>88146678Proof of this, or is it your fantasy you've made up.
>>88146720Not to mention this shit is so niche that there's not much of a free market so you're fucked in this industry if you're a retard like Mizuryu Kei.
>>88146827click on any link posted in this thread and paste them to google translate....
>>88146827Reading comprehension really is a super power these days
>>88145840>we have already settled all late paymentsSo?And now you spam 59 more threads which will all reach bump limit as everyone pretends to be outraged I guess
>>88146827>with reasons such as "the hair movement needs to be smoother" and "the body shape is unbalanced." The company did not pay the businesses any of the additional work feeshttps://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/20241025-OYT1T50126/https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/20241025-OYT1T50126/https://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/20241025-OYT1T50126/
>>88146678>>Hololive: no, you sent us broken shit in the first place???? Here's the full payment for the normal work. No extra>>L2D riggers: um k, im calling the police>>FTC: Law said you have to pay them since you didn't specify in contract you have to receive functioning products.>>Hololive: okay. Done. It's paid>>FTC: ok cool, no violation after feb 2024 found.Ah so it's typical Nip business laws that fuck over consumers and retards trying to frame this like Cover "stole" money? I see
>>88146678Having to do revisions doesn't necessarily mean it's broken, but you do a good job of highlighting how retarded/vt/ acts.
>>88146827>t.Proof this-AnonI always see you on drama threads like this and as always you never try to do your own research and just keep asking "Proof? Proof? Proof? Poof?"
>>88146678Cover should have sued the rigger for delivering a subpar service.
>>88146708>Actually got in trouble with the government for thisNothingburger my ass
Here is the actual cases being discussed. Google Translate tho.
>>88147089>got in troublenice try, enjoy your graduation and hiatus sister
>>88147038I think that's the argument Hololive made when they decided not to pay in the first placeI personally think Hololive is 100% in the wrong for not paying. But I was just writing a summary of what happened.
>>88146678How does Yagoo's anus taste like?
So now you can just do a shitty job on an illustration and sue your employer? This is another Renaissance
>>88147179They are in the wrong. Government said so. Holobronies are coping hard.
>>88147179What? you cant ask for revision if the product didnt reach your standard?Thats why AI will replace them soon
>>88147126The article mention that these are just examples, so it's non exhaustive.
>>88147038>Having to do revisions doesn't necessarily mean it's brokenIn hololive's case, they wanted revisions cause the rigging was broken.
>>88147126Ok those delays in payment are kinda bad.Also not keeping the agreed deadlines for revision requests is unprofessional. Though I have to say it's kinda typical, for businesses to do that, from my experience.
>>88147174Enjoy your corpo being on the government watchlist, Holobrony
>>88147038>Having to do revisions doesn't necessarily mean it's brokenSo in those 3 case, how can you tell us whats broken and not?
>>88147273apparently, it's an industry standard according to polka's rigger
>>88147293>Hololive is a "Soft-Power" for Nippon GovtIm fine with that
BITCH IF ORDERED WINGS THEN GIVE ME WINGS AND NOW YOU'RE COMPLAINING TO YOUR MANAGER CAUSE YO DUMBASS GAVE ME PORK INSTEAD
>>88147309the fact that cover outsources all the rigging job and there were only 3 problematic instances found
>>88147089Cover: (paid riggers late and no extra fee for re-doing work)FTC: Yo. Don't do that again. Here is the detailed steps of how not to violate this rule so that we won't sue you next time you break itCover: Okay got it bro. (paid riggers as promised)It IS a nothing burger for Cover's 1st fuckup. Hell I can say that FTC was very hospitable by giving Cover detailed guides. But if Cover violates it again, then things will go serious mode, and Cover ain't gonna just pay mere 1 million yen like today
>>88147008Well Cover did fuck up, they should have given the artist a more precise image of what they wanted in the first place, but considering how far it went they probably went full Disney retard mode asking the artist to redo it 50000 times and the artist went enough is enough modeBut they fucked up, settled (before it was even picked up by the media from what I understood), so nothing to worry too much about. Hopefully lesson learned
Opinions actually seem splitPolka's rigger has been saying they're scapegoating Cover >>88146575
>>88147489So basically Hololive stole money from artists and forced them to do work free so they got a formal warning from the government itself for breaking the law? That's not a nothingburger lol
>>88145949Once when I was 5
>>88147545Yeah if even Polka's rigger is saying that it's even more of a nothingburger than I thought.Shitty industry standards if you ask me, but still nothing concerning
AI will replace those shitty "artist" soon
>>88147593>stoleDo your fucking job greedy faggot
>>88147227It's not necessarily a quality thing. My guess is that this is related to the 2.0 updates or new outfits, where the Holo keeps sending revisions back. It would explain why they can get delayed for so long without impacting Cover's schedules. New models need to be ready for debut so it doesn't fit this scheme.>>88147470It's at least 29 not 3.
>>88147545>The bootlicker who works there is licking boots to keep on having work Who could have guessed it? There are three other artists who decided to go to the fucking government over it so clearly there are more people shitting on them for it
>>88147719luna's mama says that it was the jp FTC that reached out to him and not the other way aroundhttps://x.com/kanzakihiro/status/1849731704182931586Also the dude subcontracts under them, just because someone's opinion doesn't align with your cover anti thought it doesn't make them bootlickers
>>88146678>Law said you have to pay them since you didn't specify in contract you have to receive functioning productsWhat is this Chinese business logic?>"Oh no, you aren't happy with the steel bars we delivered to you as they are too brittle? Well, you said you wanted industrial-grade steel, so we delivered to you Chinese industrial-grade steel! Should have specified it more and of course pay more for it :)"
>>88147853>>88147719>>88147925People are bringing it up.
>>88147853>Luna's mama says she knew Cover fucked up when they were put under investigation KEK. They were being fucking investigated for months. They've been Kurolive for a while
>>88147719likely only 1 person reported or maybe noone even reported at all. FTC came by check Hololive books and found inconsistenciesFTC: why is this bill being paid 1 year late??"Hololive: well we had disagreements with the artist on the amount needed to payFTC: show me all your books, im contacting all your artists, we are opening full investigation. You gonna have to pay the late payment fee for everything we find.
>>88147975>Bootlickers trying to argue that you shouldn't get paid for doing extra work and that not paying artists for their work is actually okGotta keep a job somehow
>>88148008do you even read the links retard, they literally give the dates and timeframe
>>88145840Where's the pin
>>88148089https://www.jftc.go.jp/houdou/pressrelease/2024/oct/241025_cover.htmlThree different cases. Three different reports. Clearly it isn't all sunshine and rainbows like the Holodrones and Cover bootlickers want to make you think it is
>According to the announcement, between April 2022 and December last year, the company unfairly demanded that 23 businesses commissioned to design and produce VTubers change the character designs and movements. The businesses delivered the products in accordance with the purchase orders, but were ordered to redo the work a total of 243 times, with reasons such as "the hair movements should be smoother" and "the body shape is unbalanced." The company did not pay the businesses any of the additional work fees243 FUCKING TIMES WITH NO PAY???
>>88148138jesus christ if you anti even take 5 minutes to readIt's 19 different cases, those are just examples. But FTC also specified only found case BEFORE feb 2024. Hololive cleaned up their acts. Seems like they did paid all the requested money but very late (sometimes by an entire year) and FTC forced them to pay late fee (up to 1.5 million yen) also.
>>88145840ARTISTS RISE UP
>>88148180NOT EVEN NIJI IS THIS BADBLACKEST COMPANY
>>881481802 SCOOPS?
>>88148188>Hololive cleaned up their acts.Once they got caught. Only now did they decide to pay their artists
>>88145840should've paid your artists
Where's my videos by LegalMindset and Rima?
>>88147489>It IS a nothing burger for Cover's 1st fuckup.>1st fuckuphuh?
>>88148285>Grifter mindset somehow trying to argue that the government is lying and that Riku used his government connections to target Hololive
>>88145840>Only said sorry after they got blasted by the Japanese FTCJust classic black company things kek
>>88148213Because Niji doesn't do revisions. They're content with shitty live2D.
>>88148441I'd rather have shitty live2D rather than the company I watch forced someone to do 243 revisions and not pay them afterwards desu
>>88148335This is their 1st fuckup from FTC and the punishment for now is public shamingTheir 2nd one will lead to bigger financial settlement or worse, a court case
>>88148441>We rob the fuck out of our artists because we care about quality Thank you for becoming a serial robber for our sake, Yagoo
This wouldn't have happened if they stopped funding homoshit.
>>88148441Kek, that's actually probably true
>>88148507>forced 23 someones to do 243 revisions between the 23 of themftfy
>>88148650you forgot the not paying part, curious
>>88148650>Force someone to do 10.5 revisions with no extra payStill bad though
>>88148650without pay
>>88145840>recomendationskek, nothingburgercover did not pay for subpar unfinished products before products were finished
>>88145861It's a lot of money.But it is resolved.
>>88148800this is all invalid because the main point is still>cover did not pay
All this because gura got rid of the rhombus
>>88148830Hence why it’s nothing
>>88146011It's good when Hololive does it. It's bad when Niji does it.
>>88145840problem that can be solve by money is not a problem.
>>88148830>They were caught and fined so the crime doesn't existGood joke
What happened with Phase Cucknet this time?
>>88148913jack won.
>>88148883>>88148878
>>88148832reading is a skill, that you do not have
>>88145840>imagine being forced to apologize for telling rhombus his rigging was shit and to fix it
helmir how does yagoo's anus taste
>>88149065It's okay to be a subhuman monkey, just don't pretend you know more than I do
>>88146980>>88146678kek it really was the rhombus tranny rigger
>>88149091>hey can you make gura not look like a rhombus>ok sure>make the angles of the rhombus 37 degrees instead of 38 degrees>legally did a revision>ok now pay meProblem, Cover?
>>88149166they paid for finished works as they were supposed only suggestion was to pay for intrest too for late payment that they did and have done afterwards, read you mofo
>>88149164Isn’t that other guy the same pajeet phasenigger who got caught raiding the Holo app? And the former mod of r/vyt? Looks like he’s back for revenge.
>>88145840Who cares
>>88149300now imagine having to deal with this for 2 fucking years kek
what did i tell you all. the highest tree get the strongest wind.
>>88149321it seems you need to read your own text first, come back to me with your revisions
>>88149300>Multiple artists not paid after 243 fucking revisionsClearly it was the artist's fault and Holo was forced to steal from them
>>88149405Calm your tits it’s a shitpost. Cover fucked big time to but you’re absolutely insufferable.
>>88149405Did the rigger get paid?
>>88149350literally a watamate lol
>>88149457Yeah, with the fines Cover was forced to cough up
>>88145840Unironical nothingburger
>>88149496>guys i have a watame banner which means im watamate!!!!that faggot doesnt watch streams, he's keeping up a persona
>>88148832t. subpar artist about to be replaced by AI
ngl part of the creation process include revisions to make a great product. the only problem is the payment process which of course can't be calculated on the go, only at the end. Hololive paid the requested commission just not any fees for amendments. all this is negotiated territory.
>>88149496Dumbass he's talking @TheDarkEnjoyer not Helmir
>>88147126>all three still got extra pay in the end even before the recommendation by jtfc thingwell, nothingburger thenthey do need to send the extra pay earlier, but eh, that's like all company under the sun
>>88149496you didn't answer his question, phasetranny
>>88149593Stop being jealous of him sis, watame already replies to him for his effort.
>>88149633samefaggoting is sad, and the deflection is even sadder.
>>88149668Are you fucking retarded? They went almost a full year without getting paid and Holo had to cough up more money after getting caught by the government
>>88149725>are you fucking retardedno need to ask a holofan that question
>>88149496Why are you running defense for a cuckvtm pajeet?
>>88148872Kill nijiniggers. Behead nijiniggers. Roundhouse kick a nijiniggers into the concrete. Slam dunk a nijiniggers baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy nijiniggers. Defecate in a nijiniggers' food. Launch nijiniggers into space. Stir fry nijiniggers in a wok. Toss nijiniggers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a nijiniggers' gas tank. Judo throw nijiniggers into a wood chipper. Twist nijiniggers heads off. Report nijiniggers to the IRS. Karate chop nijiniggers in half. Curb stomp nijiniggers. Trap nijiniggers in quicksand. Crush nijiniggers in the trash compactor. Dissolve nijiniggers in a vat of acid. Eat nijiniggers. Dissect nijiniggers. Exterminate nijiniggers in the gas chamber. Stomp nijiniggers with steel toed boots. Cremate nijiniggers in the oven. Lobotomize nijiniggers. Mandatory abortions for nijiniggers. Grind nijinigger fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown nijiniggers in fried grease. Vaporize nijiniggers with a ray gun. Kick old nijiniggers down the stairs. Feed nijiniggers to gators. Slice nijiniggers with a katana.
>>88145840>retard demands more money for fucking up his job>??? no?>finedwao
>>88149725People can read you illiterate retard.
>>88149405>fucking up your revision 243 times to demand loads of extra payyea looking great for the scam artist lol
>>88149725read the case properly, dumdumall three got paid ~3 month after the last revisionwhat those "days after receipt payment" neglect to mention is that cover paid the rigger upfront before the rigging even starts, unless you're to believe they finished their work in just mere 10 days
>>88149798They paid for the work, never paid for the fucking revisions until years later after getting investigated by the government then paid them the wrong fucking amount and had to cough up the rest of it. Fucking thieves
>>88148180This is why your contracts s an freelancer should specify the number of free revisions, a revision fee for revisions after the free revisions, a deadline for revision requests, or simply bill them by the hour. (The latter generally avoids most corpo fuckery, other than them not coming back if you suck)
>>88145840KEKW and people ask why aqua left holo
>>88149934>until years later>Cover notified that all check has been completed on August 25, 2022>Subcontractor extra fee for this order was paid on September 28, 2022literally said they got paid extra the month after
Better stop you guys are gonna get Karam'd again>>88111031
>>88149991>July 11, 2022, when Cover notified the subcontractor that the model was "completed," because a VTuber who uses the 2D model for video created under this order wanted to make corrections. Cover continued to neglect accounting procedures, and the subcontractor's payment for this order was not made until December 27, 2023, 619 days after the receipt of payment on April 18, 2022.>All five redoes were made after the inspection period, which was set to be within five days of delivery, and Cover notified the subcontractor that "all internal and talent checks have been completed" for this order on August 25, 2023, 277 days after November 21, 2022, the date of receipt of payment for this order. The subcontractor's fee for this order was paid on September 28, 2023, 312 days after November 21, 2022, the date of receipt of payment.>Two of the three redoes were done after the inspection period, which was set to within five days of delivery, and Cover notified the subcontractor that the "delivery" had been completed for this order on September 26, 2023, 230 days after the receipt of payment for this order on February 8, 2023. Around April 2023, Cover used the 2D model for video created under this order to distribute videos, but the subcontractor's payment for this order was not made until October 31, 2023, 266 days after the receipt of payment on February 8, 2023. Why do you lie
>>88150112Karam?
>>88150112>deflectiondo holodrones really?
>>88149725are you reading? look at the first line, "after receiving payment on .... " all within month after order. unless you think 2d model can be done in a month, they pay before the work is done.
>1: Cover commission a rigger>2: Cover pay the rigger>3: Rigger rigging>4: Rigger deliver completed rigging>5: Cover demand revision>6: Rigger re-do rigging>7: Rigger deliver revised rigging>8: repeat 5-7>9: Cover accept the rigging>10: Cover paid the rigger for extra work revisioningSo from what I read, apparently you're not allowed to have the gap between 2 to 10 to be longer than a year or something?Even though the initial rigging itself might take months?And from how they worded it, you're also required to have step 5 to 9 to all be done within the inspection period, even though fixing the rigging also takes time?This just seems like they punished Cover because they actually paid the rigger upfront instead of after the work is done.Less-savory corpo would just sidestep this by paying them only after the work is done.
>>88150211you are right. most places will just fuck the Rigger over lacking any of their funds despite doing the project due to that last revision clause.
>>88150211>This just seems like they punished Cover because they actually paid the rigger upfront instead of after the work is done.>Less-savory corpo would just sidestep this by paying them only after the work is done.Yes, this is exactly the case and why Polka's rigger was defending them on Twitter. Unironically punished for not being sleazier.
>>88150211yup, vt can't read when the first line of those 3 cases was "after receiving payment on .... " and they insist that cover didn't pay anything until the ftc issue
>>88150275okay well it sounds like they should have read up on the law before deciding to break it like a black corpo???
>>88150192This kills the Holopig
>>88145840If people want to know what this shit about without the shitflinging faggot itt just open r/virtualyoutuber, there's a thread about this.
imagine advertising reddit fucking kek
>>88149350Yessir.
>>88150192If you read carefully, they all said>days after the receipt of payment Which all mean barely anything because rigger got paid upfront and they rig slow as hell to the upward of yearsAnd also mean they got paid twice by the way.
>>88150344Maybe the law shouldn't punish white corpo that pays upfront instead of black corpo that only pays after the work is done.
>>88150192Why did you remove the beginning?>On April 8, 2022, Cover ordered one subcontractor to create a 2D model for video use, and after receiving payment on the 18th of the same month,
>>88150520bootlicker
>>88150529Uh oh melty> On January 24, 2023, Cover ordered one subcontractor to create a 2D model for video, and after receiving payment on February 8, 2023, >On October 27, 2022, Cover ordered one subcontractor to create a 2D model for video, and after receiving payment on November 21 of the same year,
>>88150478Actually it said the payment for the order wasn't completed until almost a fucking year after. One was actually years after. A receipt is only a piece of writing that's meant to show you received something
>>88149164Holy shit Mahdeen is still seething at hololive. That's so sad.
>>88150470>>88150475Some middleman translator did a tl:dr is a way better than whatever the fuck you people doing itt.
>>88150551And what part of that includes the payment for the multiple revisions and actual cost of the work they did?
>>88150568read again retard, "after receiving payment on ..." try to spin it for me. what does it mean?
>>88150520>>88150551Why did you remove the middle?>Cover had the subcontractor redo the work seven times free of charge between then and September 15, 2022, even though the specifications and other information in the purchase order did not indicate that work was necessary.>Cover had the subcontractor redo the work three times free of charge between then and March 22, 2023, even though the specifications and other information in the purchase order did not indicate that the work was necessary. Two of the three redoes were done after the inspection period, which was set to within five days of delivery, and Cover notified the subcontractor that the "delivery" had been completed for this order on September 26, 2023, 230 days after the receipt of payment for this order on February 8, 2023. Around April 2023, Cover>Cover had the subcontractor redo the work five times free of charge between then and May 23, 2023, even though the specifications and other information in the purchase order did not indicate that the work was necessary. All five redoes were made after the inspection period, which was set to be within five days of delivery, and Cover notified the subcontractor that "all internal and talent checks have been completed" for this order on August 25, 2023, 277 days after November 21, 2022, the date of receipt of payment for this order
>>88150667do you think artist can rig up a live2d after 10 days of order?
>>88150667Because the middle was in the post I replied to.
>>88150632And the extra work for all the model revisions?
>>88149164both these fags should die
>>88149496Retard
>>88150690READ, it was pay after 10 DAYS since the order. what kind of live2d can be done in this time???
>>88150211-iggers don't deserve anything.
>>88150681Why didn't the pay for the extra work until they started getting investigated, Holobrony?
>>88150733They got investigated on 2022?
>>88150715How come they didn't pay for the extra work until the government stepped in, cuck
>>88150772The government stepped in 2022?
>>88150772i will not answer you until you answer me. do you think a live2d can be done in 10 days?
stay away from fucking riggers they steal money and smell like shit
>>88150767Can you fucking read? All the payments for the extra work (which they underpaid on btw) was all during late 2023
>>88146118>now that they've been caughtdo you think they've just paid today when the recommendation went up?
>>88150837They got investigated on 2023?
>>88145840For those that don't know what this implicate is that yagoo was pulling various riku black corp moves by stealing from his talent until was caught and was forced to pay everyone he owes money to.And Holodrone will of course sweep this corrupt black corp act even after after the JFTC taking off yagoo good uncle act mask.
>>88150882Yes
>>88149164How has cuckfeet got the balls to keep posting on main after he got exposed Humiliating faggot
>>88145840This whole thing is just a PR move by the Japanese government cause they have a new law coming in a few days. That's why the fee they issued at Cover was a laughable $5k split between the 20+ artists.
>>88150927Oh no, last I checked, we're on 2024, not 2023.
>>88150950the gov better have some great privileges for Cover to tank this shit then
Okay which riggers fit the timeline and stopped working with cover. If the riggers continued to take commissions from cover after the fact they deserve to not be paid.l for their shit work and retardation to work for a company that had issues
>>88151003Don't cope. Multiple artists said that they knew cover would be in dip shit after the government got involved and started asking them questions. Cover never paid for the extra work until now
>>88151003they probably meant the investigation started in 2023, which lined up with the report, because Cover finally paid them in 2023.
>>88148872Cover at least pays the artist.
>>88151090>Cover never paid for the extra work until now>All the payments for the extra work (which they underpaid on btw) was all during late 2023
>>88150344a black corpo doesn't pay them at all, like what Niji does. Not the same thing at all read it yourself
>>88151085Guras rigger
>>88145861>>88145893It’s a common “yellow card” thing commissions do when it’s a problem, used even in the air industry. They give several recommendations of things to do, but the message is basically “If you don’t do this shit we go straight for the kill, no middle ground”, for example in the aur industry they revoke all your legal rights to fly and blacklist your company until you are back in their grace.It is something, but not the bug thing everyone claims it to be. Although after Ina it’s pretty clear Cover management needs to get their shit together.
>>88151122they dont have to pay for personal project. did cover even compensate Ina's personal project that they fucked up?
>>88151096That's a long-ass investigation, don't you think?A full-year?And STILL includes data from after the investigation started? (Because they remarked that Cover already wisened up and found no more case after February 2024)
damn holofans really do be brushing off their shining perfect company from paying contract artists what they're due, which is a crime both legally and morallyif they continue to pull this shit the riggers will simply do indie work. there's always a massive demand for rigging and it's a job you don't need to be fluent in EN (or JP for vice versa) to do. they also likely pay better with how getting money or labour out of cover seems to be like getting blood from a stone
>>88151120>Summary of the Recommendation A. >After obtaining confirmation from the Fair Trade Commission, COVER shall promptly pay the subcontractor an amount equivalent to the cost of having the subcontractor redo the delivery free of charge after receiving the delivery due to the act described in (1)(a) above.They never paid them, retard. The government said it themselves. That was for the original agreed upon payment for the model. You gonna argue against the government to bootlick Yagoo now?
>>88151096Investigation usually doesn't investigates data made from after the investigation started.
>>88151131He deserves to be exiled if rhombus rigging was acceptable after so many revisions
>>88145840oh nyo Cover kun is graduating
>>88151189Dunno mang, I'm just quoting what you saidIf you want what the government said, here.>Cover ordered one subcontractor to create a 2D model for video, and after receiving payment on November 21 of the same year>The subcontractor's fee for this order was paid on September 28, 2023They got paid twice already.The government want them to got paid thrice.
>>88151189>equivalent to the cost of having the subcontractor redo the delivery free of charge>They never paid themare you saying the government want them to return the original cost of the rigging and only paid the revision cost
>>88146678Literal headcanon lmfaoImagine seeing a company have to have government intervention to pay their contractors and your first thought is “what’s the only situation I can come up with where the company looks less bad?”>No, your honor, they’re correct. I WAS being stupid to believe they offered real 5g service. It was foolish of me and not the fault of the company lying about their service
>>88151290regardless of how any of us are reading it or not, the government made sure the existing law was followed here. things get lost in translation, if cover didn't fuck up this wouldn't have become something they were fined over
>>88147273>Industry standard is to break contractsAnd that’s why the government stepped in
>>88151354They only paid them for the agreed upon cost of the model. Not for all the extra work they forced them to do on the models. The actual full payment for the agreed upon cost was years later and they never compensated them for the extra workKurolive is real
>>88151428I wouldn't add kurolive to comments, it's hard enough trying to convince any of them that their beloved company was shitty and broke the law and it gives them an angle to go "WELL NIJI DID-" when they're both bad and breaking the law
>>88151376Except even the recommendation said that Cover already wisened up by February 2024 and found no more new case after that>they were fined overIs it really a fine if it goes to the artist and not the government?
https://youtu.be/4aNcmY2yydc?si=Q9cxGyWnQxmaW0qfHolobronies? You're getting eaten alive by the news and the Japanese are starting to hate you
>>88151428>They only paid them for the agreed upon cost of the modelSo you're saying Cover paid them?
>>88148188You think the investigation started yesterday? That they haven’t been investigated since… maybe February of 2024???
>>88151490oh it's totally not a big deal that they broke the law, they paid what they were supposed to after they were forced to via the government and now it's all good since they haven't broken the law since then! don't worry guys!
>>88151514For the extra 234 revisions? Nope
>>88151428>They only paid them for the agreed upon cost of the modelBut you said>They never paid them>they never compensated them for the extra work>was paid on September 28, 2023
>>88151506"n-nothingburger"
>>88151529>after they were forced to via the governmentYeah, the government forced them to pay up in 2024 and yet somehow they have paid them already in 2023
>>88151536>was paid after receiving payment
>>88151595>The government is lying. Hololive definitely fully paid them for the work FUCKING KEK THEY NEVER STOP
>>88151506Proof next century?
>>88151536>Cover had paid the amount of late interest due to the said payment delays by September 17, 2024.
Holocultists would be dancing all over graves if this was Nijisanji that was caught not honoring their end of a deal. This went on for 19 months until the government caught them red-handed I'm really interested in the holofags twisted version of the events since they love pointing out black corp tactics except when is their favorite bag of cool ranch doritos corp. Then is all the excuses in the world but they will never explain how cover got away with it for almost 2 fucking years.
>>88151615If I sign a paper agreeing to build you a table for a hundred dollars and I build it then you force me to take it apart and rebuild it 11 more times until you're satisfied, should I still be paid a hundred dollars?
>>88148180This just means theyre not going to ask fo revisions going forward and youre going to get a shittier product, thanks Japanese FTC
>>88151668Retard. Read. They never paid them for the extra revisions. Only the agreed upon amount >>88151189
>>88151716>The government is lying.FUCKING KEK THEY NEVER STOP
>Cover didnt pay rhombus nigger>This is a bad thing
>>88151716
>>88151663There's a little feature on YouTube where you can translate comments from a different language to your language. I suppose it'll translate Japanese to Tagalog for you. You can read there
The Lord gave us AI so that we may feed to it the work of obnoxious xitter "artists" such as the ones seething IZZ
>>88151700Yes thanks Japanese ftc for not exposing mah corp sooner!
>>88151716You are terrible at this.
>>88151682If I paid you a hundred dollars to build a table and then you built a shit table and need to rebuild it 11 more times until you actually made a good table AND paid you another fifty dollars for your extra work, do I still need to pay you another hundred dollar just because you took a long time rebuilding that shit 11 more times?
>>88151759Yes, this is after they were getting shit on by the government. Are you arguing it's a nothingburger because they were fined for a crime they committed a month ago?
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>>88151833>They never paid them for the extra revisions
>>88151682A table is a definite thing that you can write up very detailed instructions for, while anything art related is hard to make exact specifications. If you direct someone to make the hair 'really flowy and not stiff' seems like it'll be hard to determine who exactly fucked up if the rigging returned with hair that is still too stiff.
>>88151812There's a difference between building a fucking table and coding an sketch into a vtuber skin. If rigging was easy to do lots of you fucking retards would be rigging for cover now. You paid for a product your talent weren't satisfied with said product then yes YOU PAY FOR A FUCKING REWORK RETARD.
>>88151812They never got paid extra, you retard. They were paid the original amount and were forced to do free revisions. You're just giving me the rest of what was written in the paper and not paying me for the extra work you forced me to do?
>>88151833>this is after they were getting shit on by the government>All the payments for the extra work (which they underpaid on btw) was all during late 2023
>>88151878Depends on the ToS actually
>>88151845>I have no argument so I'm going to argue semantics Being forced by the government to pay for the work you hired people to do is not much better than never paying them. You know that, right?
>>88151882Holodrones will call the government liars oh that already happened they will also call it a nothing burger oh that happened to lmao they're really scrambling running damage control for that Japanese pint size prick.
>>88151882>got paid upfront AND got paid after the last revision>They never got paid extrasure
>>88151925>All the payments for the extra work (which they underpaid on btw) was all during late 2023
>>88151945>call the government liarsWhy do you say that as if it's a wrong thing?
>>88151751Hiring rhombus guy was a butterfly effect moment
>>88151953Are you fucking retarded? The government said they never got paid for the revisions until they were forced to. They got the original agreed upon payment and only that much. Are you so much of a fucking bootlicker you're going to claim the government is fucking lying?
>>88151882>You're just giving me the rest of what was written in the paperWait, do you really think riggers, especially the one working for big corpo, don't get paid 100% upfront?
So no one gonna bring up the fact that Cover wasn't even being fined and were just made to pay $5k for the revisions?
>>88152004>They got the original agreed upon payment and only that much.They never said anything about this anywhere
>>88152013Do you think companies pay in full for work they don't know is completed? They usually pay a certain portion of the amount and pay the rest when it's done
>>88152031$5k split between the 29 person actually, so around ~200$ per persondoes ~11 revisions really only cost 200$?
>>88152036Considering the report up and says that Cover didn't pay for the revisions until last month, they obviously did not pay for the revisions so it had to have been for the agreed upon cost in the contract. Retard
>>88152072Except rigger, they all got paid full upfront.
Is fubuki going graduate now that cover been found as a black corp or was it all bullshit damage control and she is another piece of shit like yagoo is
>>88152106>the report up and says that Cover didn't pay for the revisions until last monththe report didn't say this
Sounds like Cover was being naive with how they were approaching paying the riggers and the contract minutiae. Where, instead of paying riggers periodically based on project milestones, they simplified things by giving the rigger a deposit to then delay paying the full amount until revisions are made until a certain standard of quality is met. I suppose it's simpler to keep track of expenses this way but normally these sorts of contracts mention how the rigger is to be paid and something to the effect of the minimum quality of work required. An easy fix would've been to include penalties for shoddy and/or late work. I think that's where the naivete is.
>>88152106>the report up and says that Cover didn't pay for the revisions until last monthThe report says>Cover did not pay the subcontractor fees by the predetermined payment due date Not>Cover did not pay the subcontractor fees The "fine" was for late interest
Still get shit products like gura rhombus and magni after supposed revisions though.
>>88152096If the revisions were minor probably? I think whoever was directing the subcontractors at Cover assumed the revisions they requested was so minor that it didn't warrant additional payment beyond the original contracted amount which is probably why the amount Cover has to pay in the end is so little despite how many subcontractor are involved.
>>88152168>>88152139>After obtaining confirmation from the Fair Trade Commission, COVER shall promptly pay the subcontractor an amount equivalent to the cost of having the subcontractor redo the delivery free of charge after receiving the delivery due to the act described in (1)(a) above.You're right. They haven't paid them for the extra revisions yet. Only for the late payments in the fucking first place
>>88152150>instead of paying riggers periodically based on project milestoneswho the fuck do this>An easy fix would've been to include penalties for shoddy and/or late workholy fuck, anon, if this is somehow legal, I'd question why corpo doesn't already using this excuse to not pay for anything ever
they're still trying to make this a yab? I mean I know cover makes mistakes even more rarely than niji gets Ws but Jesus
>>88152286Smile, holocuck. Your corpo is on TV >>88151506
>>88145840Outwardly it's all positive news about regulatory compliance, but the only thing I can see is more red tape and bureaucracy in the way of getting things done by and for the talents.
>>88152301>Your corpo is on TVyou're like 3 months late to the partyhttps://youtu.be/LZzt5aS-6Zo
>>88152241>the late interest being equivalent to the cost of the extra revisions means that they haven't paid for the extra revisions yet
>>88152391I wonder how many people Yagoo had to steal from to make this happen
>>88152423>Completely made up schizo babble I accept your concession
>>88152314Hopefully it will lead to a professionalisation of the industry, either with Cover employing modellers and riggers full-time or with modellers and riggers forming proper businesses. Either way you can bet your ass 'you don't get paid for revisions and you don't get paid at all until we're happy' will be in every contract from now on.
>>88152250You don't have a clue how freelancers get paid but thought it made sense to comment anyway?
>>88152461Here's (1)(a)>Between April 2022 and December 2023, after receiving the subcontractors' payments, Cover had them redo work free of charge>the subcontractor's payment for this order was not made until December 27, 2023And here's the recommendation>COVER shall promptly pay the subcontractor an amount equivalent to the cost of having the subcontractor redo the delivery free of charge after receiving the delivery due to the act described in (1)(a) above.Cover just get punished to pay the late interest which is equivalent to the extra cost of having the subcontractor redo the delivery free of charge after receiving the delivery due to the act described in (1)(a) above.Nothing about>They haven't paid them for the extra revisions yet
Legal mindset next video
>>88152658You actually can't fucking read. The revisions and the late payment fee are two different costs. The paragraph you quoted literally says that Cover will have to pay for the revisions they forced onto artists once the government confirms it
>>88152589how the fuck does freenlancers in your place worksall my freelancers friend and in my place either a disguised normal employee that got paid monthly, or got paid only at the end
>>88152749>esl schizobabbleI don't think the rest of the world works like your 4th world country
>>88152734>the subcontractor's payment for this order was not made until December 27, 2023PAYMENTWASMADE
>>88152658So here's the full timeline >2022, cover hire artists, doesn't pay until both management and vtuber are satisfied with the work aka alot of "revisions" was included>Late 2023 - feb 2024 cover paid for the revisions>September 2024, FTC yell at cover to pay for the late payment fees. Cover paid all of $5.000>October 2024, article got published. Nijisisters yelling about only paid until cought, despite the payment was done a year ago and Cover missed like 200$ per artists due to late payment fee Is this the correct timeline
>>88152734>literally says that Cover will have to pay for the revisions they forced onto artists once the government confirms itNo, it literally says Cover have to pay an amount equivalent to the cost of having the subcontractor redo the delivery free of charge after receiving the delivery due to the act described in (1)(a) above.It says nothing them not paying the cost of having the subcontractor redo the delivery free of charge after receiving the delivery, in fact, (1)(a) said otherwise because it said that Cover paid them after December 2023
>>88152734>once the government confirms itit would be so funny they didn't have to pay at all because they were in the right, late payments I can see being an issue since they probably need to fax the perms from 50 people beforehand
>>88152796That's the payment that was put on paper. Not the payment for the revisions or the late fees, retard. Stop trying to argue against the fucking government on what Hololive did and didn't do . Wipe the dirt off your lips from all that bootlicking you're doing
>>88152819>2022, cover hire artists, doesn't pay until both management and vtuber are satisfied with the work aka alot of "revisions" was includedthey were paid up-front
>>88152877>That's the payment that was put on paper>after receiving payment on November 21 of the same year
>>88145840Why do big companies all do this kind of thing? Is it really that hard to pay people what you owe them?
>>88152889No, they were not. Revisions were never paid for. Only late fees were. The government itself says so . Why are you bootlicking this hard? What made you so delusional?
I haven't actually cracked a smile irl on this site in a while. Sisters are tying to accuse cover and holodrones of every single thing niji and the nijisisters guilty of, this is actually hysterical
>>88152819>2022, cover hire artists, doesn't pay until both management and vtuber are satisfied with the work aka alot of "revisions" was includedThey paid twice, upfront and after the last revisions, though the later kinda lags for some
>>88152913Yes. They received an initial payment and a final payment when the work was done. They weren't paid for everything at once. You're proving you're a jobless weasel
>>88147545This is shameless bootlicking.
>>88152947all of this over a nothingburger too*
>>88152966Rigger always get paid 100% upfront though
>>88152913You know you are basing your entire argument off google translateEven chatGPT understand that sentence meant "After receiving an invoice on November 21 of the same year"That was the date they received the invoice. Cover took 2 more fucking years to pay, not until all the revisions were done, hence the 1.1 million yen ($5000) late payment fee.
>>88152974That is being smart. They're going to get more work from Cover now and seem OK with the work conditions.
>>88152937>The government itself says soThe government itself said the subcontractors got paid upfront and after the work was done.
>>88153026that one specific artist provided works for vspo, phase connect, random ass indies. She knows how to market.
>>88153047they didn't, EOP-kun. Google translate didn't understand complex sentence.
>>88153047Two separate payments that were in the contract that didn't include late fees or revisions, retard
>>88153006Except the JP said 給付 which they also use for the sentence カバーは、下請事業者に対し、前記イの行為により、下請事業者の給付を受領した後に demanding Cover to pay the late fees.So they both mean the same thing and that means straight up payment, unless you're implying government is asking Cover to send invoice of the late fees to the artist now.
>>88153105>Two separate payments that were in the contractRigger never have two separate payments
>>88152937so you're saying cover subcontractors went 18 months without ever being paid a single yenI think there'd be a bigger statement if that were the case
>>88153172>I think there'd be a bigger statement if that were the caseThe government got fucking involved and gave them a warning. What more do you want?
>>88153241Actually fine them.
>>88153241I don't know, maybe said subcontractors publicly stating 'yo cover didn't pay me for a year and half' or something.
>>88145840>nigger rigger shouldn't have made subpar work>cover should've paid for revisionsIs that all?
fucking nijidrones licking jap gov'ass lmaohow much are you being paidanyway, your liver have graduated. today is short news on TN and yellow pages - which deflection will be nex time?
>>88145840Nijiniggers will pretend to not see this, but as a Holofan, Cover getting called out for late payments is a good thing, I'm not gonna cover for them. Getting "too big too fast" isn't an excuse either, they've been hiring staff exponentially as well, imagine if they used the same excuse for the managers of the girls, unacceptable.
>>88153103It's not even a complex sentence,It's just>給付の受領日である令和4年4月18日から619日経過した令和5年12月27日であった。>給付の受領日である>令和4年4月18日から619日経過した>令和5年12月27日であった。If you take out the middle sentence that is pure decorational, it said that the payment was made, again.
>>88149350>caught raiding holoplus>revengenice try at falseflagging anon
hololive antis are one cover acquittal away from sending a strongly worded letter to the Japanese government in broken machine translated japanese
>>88152131>shitbukiwho
>>88153439different cases, different sentences, what are you even on. The original post I replied to specified November which is case 2. You linked case 1.Anyway here's the breakdown of the "not complex" sentence for you since you deliberately? misunderstand it 令和4年4月18日 = April 18th, 2022 令和5年12月27日 = December 27th, 2023619日 = 619 days How do you explain "619 days of late payment" if Hololive "already paid on April 18th of the same year"April 18th was the date that Hololive was supposed to pay. They didn't and delay it until 2023.
The death of Hololive and unicorn shit is upon us
>>88153439同月18日に給付を受領した後This is the part the EOP retards were raving about Google translate translated that as "Hololive made the payment on April 18"When the actual sentence says "Hololive received the rigged model on April 18"
>>88148872>>88144341this explains a lot of shit ITT
>>88149350Doxxagi tried really hard to pin the blame on /vt/ rather than this guy or bvtm discord for the holoplusraid.
>>88153797>The original post I replied to specified November which is case 2You got lost anonThere's no post saying anything about November in this chain.>How do you explain "619 days of late payment" if Hololive "already paid on April 18th of the same year"The second payment is clearly for the extra work they need to do.And because you don't even understand the Japanese, here>同月18日に給付を受領した>給付の受領日である[...]令和5年12月27日であった。They both said 給付の受領 and they both said that 給付の受領 has been done.
>>88153958Dumbass, there's no way a rigger managed to make a model in mere 10 daysAnd it said 給付を受領した which means the payment is made.
>>88154144That's why it need so many revisions.
>>88149350I hate bvtm as much as the next person butI thought we already confirmed that it was actually okbh behind it?educate yourself anonhttps://warosu.org/vt/thread/84023969
>>88154079>>88154525
>>88153405Huh?
>>88151506> livercomments are filled with the usual suspects kek
>>88154525nah the raider was banned in okbh server, the raid was organized in bvtm discord
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>>88145840invoice administration is a nightmare so i feel for them lol
