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Together one day

>>90775709
Do you want mumei to follow her?

>>90775657
>dead necro thread

>>90775939
Mumei AND Gura

Will you follow her after she graduates and becomes an indie?

Really feel like literally no one gives a shit about Fauna in Holo with all these responses, aside from Kaela.

>>90776336
Yes, they all hate Fauna and they're happy she'll be finally gone. It's not like she was one of the most beloved EN members

>>90776336
share ela's msg

>>90776555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DO7ptucwAc&t=8848s

>>90776445
Would help if I'm not hearing the exact same responses ad nauseum with no one even trying to like, fucking sympathize at all.

>>90776159
Yes. Why wouldn't anyone?

>>90776159
Yeah, and I'll still keep supporting IRyS and CC and the other girls too. Won't be watching any other indies though.
>>90775939
I want them to be together eventually, when it's good for both of them

was the general called /uuu/ instead of /uuuu/ specifically to avoid baneposting?

>>90756458
>>90759999
holy fuck, where is this from?

>>90776941
I don't blame you, anon. I felt that for a few messages and just gave up hearing sincere words that wasn't meant to damage control plus tardwrangle the doomers of their fanbase. Like it slayed lots of rrats so good on that for doing so. It was nice Kaela had a nice message at least. Just I feel very empty right now

Whenever I slip up and start thinking about her graduation, it's the fact it came out of fucking no where that keeps hurting the most. If there was some sort of legitimate indication beforehand I feel I could comprehend it better, but no. Completely out of left field.

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>>90775939
>Do you want mumei to follow her?
No, not really. I want Mumei to have a chance to make the most of her time hololive and achieve everything she wants to. Same for Gura and all the other girls.
Sure there's a small part of me that wants them to form a little group togther, and be happy. But that's pretty selfish and I don't want that

>>90776063
I'd love that

>>90777621
Same anon. I keep asking why did it have to be her?

>>90777621
there were hints here and there about fauna not being completely happy with management/cover and if you add to that the recent activity of ll, then you cannot rule out the possibility of graduation

>>90776336
They all say essentially the same thing. It's corpo-speak meant to reassure fans and investors, nothing more. Kaela came the closest to having a personal opinion, but there is still a script to follow. They're looking out for their bottom-line, nothing more. That's the business world for you, and JP business is even more cutthroat. There'll be more of that going forward, might as well get used to it or cut your losses right now.

>>90777621
Completely agree. If you asked me a couple weeks before the announcement, I would have said she's going to keep staying in Hololive for years and years. I guess there were signs in hindsight, and maybe I just chose to ignore them, but having to confront feelings that you thought you wouldn't have to for years really sucks.

>>90777621
There were hints anon. Her complaining just like a week before rather loudly about her world-tree and how she didn't want to play Minecraft was one that clued me in. Her way of speaking was that of barely-veiled exasperation rather than someone doing a bit. Also, her speaking to her entire fanbase like 2 days before the graduation announcement was essentially a goodbye. Pure speculation here, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Minecraft stream happened just after reaching a fatal impasse with management.

Its because she always sounded so appreciative and specifically insisted she wanted to continue streaming. Even in her announcement she insisted on it. The fact that she said she wants to keep being Fauna is what makes this extra gut wrenching.

>>90778469
Nta but when I think about that, I start feeling like hololive lost its soul.

>>90776159
I followed her when she left the indie scene. We are so going back home now.

i never pay attention to super chats but is that sapling rap really super chatted into every single stream? like holy fuck. (if it is one)

>>90776336
>>90778469
They're saying the same things they've said for all the others. "Yeah it's sad to see her go, but I respect her decision and wish her the best going forwards. Let's have fun while she's still here."
What else would you want them to say?

>>90778804
The recent mc stream where she was complaining about nobody coming to help the world tree.
Maybe because it's a relatable situation, maybe because it hurts me to even think fauna is lonely in hololive. Idk.
Hopefully she didn't take that moment to heart.

Also in retrospect, it does seem kinda like fauna's last unanswered plea in a way.

>>90779512
The people who you are responding to effectively are bitter as hell antis and want to destroy the holoEN branch on their way out, and will become annoying liggers who anti hololive which we are already seeing some of in the catalog.

>>90778318
I'll have to rewatch recent streams but it never felt like the complaints about management were reaching the breaking point. As for LL, I guess, but random shitposts didn't feel too definitive.

>>90778804
>Her complaining just like a week before rather loudly about her world-tree and how she didn't want to play Minecraft was one that clued me in.
I really need to find that VOD then.
>Also, her speaking to her entire fanbase like 2 days before the graduation announcement was essentially a goodbye.
With hindsight, absolutely. But she also did it on Thanksgiving so the more reasonable explanation to me at the time was she doing a fun way of showing gratitude.

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>>90779753
>a fun way of showing gratitude.
She loved talking to the saplings. Even during larger collabs, she still took time to mute and chat when she had a chance

>>90776336
Biboo just talked about the fact that she’ll miss Fauna, she didn’t give any corporate spiel

>>90779695
I think that's more of frustration of how Mincraft has died in Hololive in general.
Fauna has always liked MC, and the moment she get the chance to play with all of JP too, the servers just die.
I think the tree sort of felt like a bad reminder of that to her.

>>90780021
Makes me extremely mad that she wanted to join the HC server earlier this year, and in hindsight chances are management fucked her over

>>90777415
It's a combination of multiple asmr videos.

Fauna...
Fauna...?
Fauna...!!

Gigi wants to help with the tree. I think Shiori does too. Her genmates, except Mumei, are clearly done with her, which is quite disappointing

>her genmates are done with her
>notIRyS and nontSana already followed notFauna
>notMumei already followed notFauna two weeks ago
Ennacuck please

>>90779695
>>90780021
For me the world tree was always too big of a project for fauna, also not having minecraft collabs was also mostly because of her shyness of not wanting to send inv to the rest of the girls, kaela and the id girls were always there and even if most of the EN girls werent super fans of minecraft, advent was still willing to help

>>90780378
Council is the Western women Gen.

After much dooming, I've decided to simply just set it aside for now. I'll stick to watching Fauna whenever she streams. I'll leave the sadness for the actual day of the graduation.

>>90779512
>>90779719
NTA I'm not that falseflag but I can understand the hesitation due to how venomous those shitposters are. I would've preferred to hear something more than corpo speak, some comforting words in how it affected them. A place to feel some comfort in the transition that isn't just saying "don't worry guys, I'm not leaving! I will always be here!"

Like okay, cool, glad to know there won't be a repeat but this graduation is painful and sad. It doesn't make me feel better.

And maybe the fact that management was put on blast prevented them from doing that with following a script. Hell, maybe they have no clue on how to be a place of comfort but when Kaela's simple message stood out and felt nice. I don't know, man, it all feels wrong. Like that other anon said, it feels like hololive lost its soul.

That's what I'd have preferred. It feels like previous graduations didn't have such a tension but again, it didn't follow a similar exit like this. In the end, I feel empty and still bitter. Sorry for the blog post

>>90780448
If you watched Bae's karaoke earlier she's clearly pretty broken up about this to

>>90775939
Only if it makes Mumei happy too. Wouldn't want her to leave if she didn't want to.

>>90780448
He's going on a sperg because the other schizos are being convenient to him

Kronii did refuse to say her name when addressing it and then made it about herself, which is despicable. Everyone else will be there for her.

>>90780622
I mean, there's only so many times you can really be sad about people leaving before you run out of new and interesting ways to express yourself.
I'm sure we'll get more tears and sappiness in the coming month, just like we did with Ame.

>notGura and notMumei begin coming on LLs streams as semi-anonymous semi-frequent guests before coming back to streaming themselves.

A power move I selfishly want

>>90780931
The Kronii/Fauna schism is the only rrat I can actually buy when it comes to all of this.

>>90780938
Anon, it's not even the sappiness aspect that I want, or for them to express sadness or to express themselves differently.

I guess I'd prefer them to speak their mind about the matter instead of being roundabout it due to drama vultures. Since they have a script, it's just seeing corpo talk everywhere, it sucks. And I get why to protect themselves but I don't know, man. The blow hasn't been softened so I guess I'll just deal with it myself and enjoy some content while waiting for a follow up.

>>90781214 (me)
In the past, some holoMems were able to soften the blow for holo graduations so I guess I was used to looking to them for comfort about it. Guess times have changed in a post-Kurosanji era and drama vultures, a shame

>>90781018
I unironically think Kronii is a big part of the reason why Fauna is leaving.

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>>90779512
>What else would you want them to say?
Nigger.

>>90781454
I quit a job due to passive aggressive coworker

>>90781214

Well you understood yourself why that can't be.

I bet every single one of them has at least some wrong doing they can go off about management. I bet even stuff exact like faunas problem (if it's fully known behind the scenes to everyone).
If not for the fact that's how workplaces go.

But think about it like that.
Even if your absolute best work friend left for some bullshit treatment (plus that friend going created a lot of heat for the company).

You'll never started grieving your problems a day after directly in front of your bosses and then the general public on social media or whatever.

And I see the girls situation as an even bigger extreme of this.

>>90781214
I think it's less of a script, and more common talking points, due to people asking them the same questions out of the same concerns, especially because they got asked similar questions when Aqua and Ame left.
It's gonna feel samey no matter what.
But I agree, all we can really do is speculate, and that never leads to anything good, so take it as it comes anon. Maybe well get some more info down the line, and we still have a whole month left with her, and to get a better judgment of the situation, not to forget we also have Cloe to send off too.

>>90781645
Anon, I'm not asking for them to grieve their problems or shittalk their company. I just would've liked some solace wholesome content or memories from them about Fauna to soften the blow.

We're going to be circular, so I'll just leave it at that. We both know they've got their own shit to deal with and so at this point, we'll have to all do our own things

>>90781877
honestly it'll probably harden the blow instead of soften it

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>Hail Fauna, full of green
>Yagoo forsaketh thee
>Blessed art thou amongst kirin
>And blessed is the fruit of thy milkers, Jes/uuu/s
>Man I Love Fauna, mother of saplings
>Do ASMR for us squeebers, that's all we will ever be
>uuu
>men

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Fauna LOVE

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On the bright side the new avatar will probably have a bald toggle.

>>90782014
this hurts to listen to

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>>90777621
>it's the fact it came out of fucking no where
she played League of Legends

>>90781018
same. I think Bae and Fauna also got their co-worker friendship fuked up in 2023 halloween but they patched it after
4-5 months of ignoring each other.
so they good.

if Kronii wants to just not unknowledge Fauna's existence for almost a year
>fuck her for that
i don't care anymore...

>>90782228
I think it actually started with enreco, she said fuck all that and went straight for FaunaMart instead of caring about the attempted marketable plushy shilling

>>90781392
Yeah. It's very different to see someone going through it with you vs reading off the same speech.

>>90782153
lolita fashion clothing also very cute

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>>90782228
Horny for gremlin please understand

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I'm out of the loop, was there actually some drama between Fauna and Kronii or is it just schizoposting

>>90782477
I dont know what to say outside of kronii has avoided mentioning fauna for some time, thats pretty much it

>>90782477
They were extremely close last year, they've been extremely distant this year. That's basically it.
Everything beyond that is schizoposting

Is there anyone else here who's just sort of melancholic and lamenting that they used to like and get excited about Hololive way more in the past, but at this point things have changed so much that they're only still here for Fauna at this point and this is going to be their final goodbye to the past 3-4 years?

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> this is going to be their final goodbye to the past 3-4 years?
I'm going to watch notFauna, and all of the usual holo girls I watch now, next year too.

>>90782477
>>90782603
Kronii just adressed about the situation Fauna’s graduation without ever mentioning her name once.

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>>90782603
Ah okay, I noticed they hadn't interacted much but wasn't sure if something real happened

>>90782745
I have nothing against them, but I stopped giving a shit about everyone but Fauna after Advent debuted. Like when it was just Myth I'd try to catch every stream, when it was Myth and Council I moved over to Council because I really loved Fauna, but still watched Ina and Gura. Ina got sick and Gura stopped streaming so I stuck with pretty much everyone but Sana. And then for some reason when Advent debuted I just stopped caring and stuck with Fauna. I don't even have anything against them, I'm ok with seeing them in collabs with Fauna, but I just couldn't care to watch their streams and it's the same with Justice. So I've been pretty much Fauna only for like a year so once she's gone, I'm gone too.

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Love Myth
Love Promise
Love Advent
Love Justice

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>>90782160
Yeah, one of those songs that can evoke powerful emotions of different kinds, depending on the context. I got it from Settled's Tileman finale, but it just feels right for times like this.
Do any saplings here play OSRS or follow OSRS content, or has Fauna ever played or talked about the samr? Must admit I'm not really a thread regular, just here to give Chumbie Prime and her fans moral support.

>>90783387
She was going to play with Nerissa and Mumei, but that didnt end up happening

>>90783248
Based. I hope they'll have a fun month, and maybe even after, depending on who's up for collabing.

>>90782806
I've just fallen off a lot on the other girls. I will be there day one for notFaun, but I used to watch the JPs, I used to watch a lot more of the EN girls, but over the past year and a half I've only really wanted to watch two of the girls. I remember watching things live like Fubuki covering for Marine and Shion oversleeping to two babas or whatever the measurement was. There are other examples, but that one feels like the right level of goofy and fun level of things that don't happen anymore. Indicative of changes like how HoloFes is mostly original songs now instead of vocaloid and anisong covers that the girls like. Things have very obviously changed, and I just haven't been able to bring myself to care all too much for how they are now outside of two specific girls. One of them left two months ago, and now I'm just sat here waiting for the last and most important one to me to go.

>>90783248
>Loves black company

Decided to look at Reddit against my better judgement. The vtuber subreddit is blaming Fauna and saying she's made issues for the rest of the talents.

>>90784089
Nah I don't believe you

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>>90784089
Just reddit schizo's needing something to blame in an issue with no easy thing to point fingers at.
Fauna would have loved to stay, but couldn't come to an agreement with management over some issue we won't know.
The girls are supportive of her and have been clarifying the own citation.
Cover is going through a shift that may or may not be good i the long term, but may also lead to issues that'll cause some talent to leave in the short term.
That's all there is to this story. Everything else is rrats and schizoposting.

>>90784089
lol did they backflip that fast? wow

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>>90784230
I wish I was making it up. Some of them are being reasonable but there are some saying she has caused trouble for cover and the talents.

>>90783387
the lyrics are just weirdly in the right stage for me. Let alone the fact that I've been a fan of Good Kid on their own for several years now. I haven't been into OSRS in any capacity in over a decade and a half, I played it in middle school, but am from the era where d-med and d-chain were the best dragon armor you could get, but barrows was also around. thanks for reaching out chumbud. my IRL friends who are chumbuds have only been speculating if this means Gura will follow suit and been disinterested in anything else, so thanks for hopping in to support us here genuinely

I can't stop thinking what the fuck happened that she'd consider graduating
Like holy shit theres no way it was a light decision and I also don't think she got influenced by external factors, she's smarter than that

>>90784574(me?
There's another comment saying she tried to do as much damage as possible on the way out.

>>90784574
I guess they're right in a roundabout way because schizo's are taking her words as some sort of attack, but that's not exactly something you pin on her.

>>90784574
Fuck off, that person as well as anyone else should know that cover has the last say on when the announcement goes out. All these people are ignoring what fauna said and letting themselves get carried along with schizo delusions

>>90784574
mori knew about it before the frame dropped so maybe the other ens should check their inboxes

>>90784684
>I can't stop thinking what the fuck happened that she'd consider graduating
I don't know what's so unbelievable about not wanting to go to Japan. Sure, they aren't forced, but you gotta do it if you want to do any real 3D work. She had a bad experience there. She doesn't want to learn Japanese. She doesn't want to collab with JP. None of these things are unreasonable.

>>90778804
I still wonder if she intended her "former 800k bit turned 900k bit" to be her final pre-graduation "hi" stream all along. Because that timing was crazy. She talked about having some idea, waited till Thanksgiving where she needed a short stream, and people literally begged her to do the bit, and the next time you saw her (no PoV for LoL)... graduation announcement.
Hi sapling.
Bye sapling.

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>>90783565
>We missed out on Fauna/Mumei/Rissa OSRS collab
You're fucking kidding me...
I mean in fairness, Nerissa's experience was slightly spoiled because retards didn't listen to her, hunted her down and showered her with gp against her will. And I'm sure Fauna and Moom being there would've unwillingly upped the retard orbiter concentration even more. But I'm also sure a Roblox player like Mumei would have loved it, and I get the impression that it's right up Fauna's alley. I realistically couldn't have asked for anything more kino.
That, now that stings.
captcha 0W0V0H

>>90784727
She did say she's leaving not because she wants to and that's the main thing
For other recent graduations even if there were some disagreements with management or direction, it was a decision that they made thinking that would be better for them.
Fauna saying she wanted to keep going made people go into overdrive and some opportunistic shitposters (here and outside) use it to blame the company for everything when most talents are satisfied with their current situation.

>>90784746
I am not in agreement with him. I am presenting the comment to you guys.

>>90784812
I think she was fine with current workload where she could plan out 1-2 shorter travels a year, but then because of "change in direction" they asked her
>how about 5-6 times?
>how about you just move?
And she was like "no..."

>>90784812
I legit kind of think there's too much blatant worship for Japan in the entire weeb sphere. I know it's a meme, but the whole, "place, japan", comes from somewhere real. A non-insignificant amount of the girls are fine with spending a lot of time there, let alone even moving there, but that feels like blind devotion to me. Last I was aware, it was supposed to be Hololive English, not Hololive YWNBJP

>>90784900
The way it is, is basically
"Do I continue to eat management's shit and ruin my mental health in order to continue doing what I'm doing or just leave"
And I don't blame her for leaving because Japanese bureaucracy is fucking cancer. Other girls have mental fortitudes and probably surefire goals they NEED hololive to achieve, but Fauna probably doesn't and decided it wasn't worth it.

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>>90784657
Don't mention it sapbro/fellow og Runescape autist. We love Fauna and we'll miss her when she's gone.
Fingers crossed she and Gura get at least one last collab together, like Gura did with Ame.

>>90784954
That is completely different from what Shiori said though, including the going to japan part

>>90784858
Nerissa started playing first and grinded hours, in the end Mumei couldn't join. Without Mumei, falling behind in progress, and seeing the madness of 1000 people following Nerissa around, Fauna decided she doesn't like the idea of playing OSRS that much anymore.

>>90784900
What I don't get is, if she really does enjoy being in Hololive and would have loved to stay, why are everyone trying to spin it as either the work environment being horrible, or her lying?
It can be something as simple as "I really wanted to stay, but I couldn't reach an agreement with management on key issues."

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>>90784985
reminder this is the kind of shit japanese employees, mostly likely fauna too, had to put up with.

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I enjoyed their interactions. I wish we got more.

Vtubing is just a cursed hobby

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AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>90785164
How the fuck did it take 2 days to make sure the bear was in the cage
Why was there even a bear in a city

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>>90785164
>we gotta have a meeting about the meeting
I rejected promotion because this shit would drive me insane.

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>>90785069
>orbiterfags ruined the kino even harder than I realized
Many such cases

>>90785164
it's a different life and business culture, and I don't want to blame it on that, but man, it really feels like the ones who stick around are of asian descent or dream that they were

>>90785307
Really might just be the clash of cultures.

>>90785378
I know, I just don't want to believe it even if I've seen how racist asians are firsthand

>>90785378
>>90785307
i'm not surprised if the reason why japs overwork is because they waste most of their day with meetings that go nowhere and they only do actual productive shit during overtime.

I wonder how the graduation-road collabs will go if some girls are not even willing to mention her name

>>90785435
American companies do that shit in spades too. For the past four years half of my productivity has been tossed out the window in favor of meetings that only seem to exist to make management feel like they have a reason to exist. Only difference is, I walk out at 5pm and don't look back until the next morning.

Which artist do I go to to commission an R-18 doujin of Fauna traveling to Japan for idol training only to find all the other girls waiting for her at a hotel who lead her into a room with a bunch of fat old ugly investor bastards and they all are trying to coerce Fauna into sex with them and she finally gives in and gets raped

>>90785456
Probably fine for the most part since it's only Kronii that seems to hate her.
The real question is the Promise final colab.

>>90785456
honestly I think her directly naming management put this into something closer to a termination than a normal graduation like ames in the way the other holos are responding to it

>>90785307
Yeah, it's not great. It didn't really click until her announcement dropped that JP speaking HoloENs probably have their pick of managers, while the EN onlys are trapped with whoever speaks both.

>>90785098
>"I really wanted to stay"
she trying to say - her contract got terminated or some sort of soft-termination but Cover named it "graduation" just not to make it too negative.
>managers probably gave her ultimatum about IDOL stuff training in Japan and she refused. probably bcs of her pets and family.

my personal view.

>>90785645
Affiliation is the new graduation
Graduation is the new termination

>>90785664
>IRyS only recently got a good manager
That's not it

>>90785602
Meh, frankly I would prefer if we only had like Mumei collab, Gura collab, and the rest just interactions with whoever wants to join VC in Minecraft. There are certain people I would feel kinda angry about if they rushed for a last minute collab.

>>90785602
Kronii not giving a single fuck about fauna is one of the only rrats I buy into.

I bet the comparison clips between kronii's final words to ame and fauna would at least be kinda funny

>>90785679
That basically is a graduation. They didn't terminate her contract, they just couldn't agree to renew it.

When Ame announced her graduation I didn't want anything to do with Hololive for a week. I might be done after Jan 3 boys.

>I am not leaving because I don't want to be here
This is where she put everyone else on the line
This is why the doomposters and shitposters went overdrive and the girls had to say they had no problem whatsoever and whatever fauna is going through is a her issue

>>90785772
I don't blame anyone for doomposting. That sentence plus the management mention were enough

>>90785696
Damn. Well, it's still probably true that the talent pool for managers is worse.

>>90784983
True. Japan may have created anime culture, but the rest of Japanese culture is simply too diameterically opposed to western culture, especially their corporate practices. Westerners generally aren't down with that pseudo-feudal corporate system where you are supposed to commit seppuku rather than let the company down.

>>90785664
>>90785696
Most managers have a degree in management. Not experience, not understanding of the market, or what the fans actually want. Once you reach a critical mass the communication breakdown becomes a major burden. Your manager is there to act like they're greasing the wheels, but will also act like they're the reason you have any success if they can frame it like that. Upper management traditionally trust their own types over, ya know, the people who actually generate the money in the first place.

>>90785664
I think cover just fell into the usual trap of trying to run their jap company exactly the same on their western branch.
With the exact same insane japanese customs and standards.
>Unbelievable overworked being the default
>Employee pays out of pocket for shit
>Very slow outdated bureaucracy and paperwork to get anything done
>Managers and everyone above you is a god that demands 120% respect. Don't even think of talking badly during off work hours
>Never ask for raise, never ask for help.

I'm exaggerating only a tiny bit.
But my point is that shit is not enthralled into the western mind, it can't work here.

>>90785679
Terminations are effective immediately. They wouldn’t give her a month to fuck around if that were the case.

Reminder. Do not doom.
Everything will turn out alright.
In the end the girls' health and happiness is what matters and so long as that is achieved then whatever follows is fine

The only girl that stayed neutral and didn't talk about management and only about fauna was biboo lol
This puts in perspective that management is probably telling them to damage control

>>90785772
>In a year with 3 other graduations/affiliates
>Most prominent being Aqua
Doomposters were just looking for that accelerant.

>>90785986
well no.

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Can you make your raiding and samefagging less obvious please.

>>90785936(me)

Guess kinda same wavelength lol>>90785897


Also to add(I remember some anons talked about it too)-
>Japanese companies are nutritious for treating anyone who's not japanese or at least asian like bottom of the barrel trash. It's pretty much expected if you come to work as a foreigner.
Probably quite better in hololive but I bet there is a part of that still

>>90785772
She didn't say anything bad or wrong. She was just honest and said she has to quit a job she likes because of issues with management that couldn't be worked out. It's everyone who listened who made this into something it isn't.

>>90786061
>Japanese companies are nutritious
phoneposting faggot

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>>90785164
I'll explain why that is.
The premise: Japan is more Confucian (read broadly Sino-East Asian) than anything else; and the West is more Germanic than anything else.
Systems (in all senses) in Japan are built to never fail. Their model of redundancy is planning for every contingency. Why is that? In the countries of rice agriculture was a complex task of irrigation technology and labor management. Everyone had a role, and if someone fucked up, everybody starved and died.
System failure must never happen, and if it does, it invalidates it in its entirety (because historically there was no one left to assess what went wrong). Responsibility assignment is not a feedback tool, but rather a punitive way of cooperation enforcement through fear. Therefore it's avoided like a hot potato, and settling into a consensus takes a long time.
Should something fail, the responsible parties are excised from the system with finality.
All those fuckers on the picrelated are loafing around because nobody wants any responsibility in case something goes even a millimeter awry from the protocols. And there are protocols for every contingency, written out in truly autistic levels of detail.
And since this a very deep layer of the mindset, they tend to arrange mostly everything in this manner.
To compare, in the West redundancy is done through adaptability, and there's no rigid assignment of responsibility in advance. People more readily go with the flow, failures are expected to happen. Responsibility is attributed post factum, used as a feedback tool, and by itself doesn't imply punishment.

>>90780065
She all but said it was managements fault that they didn't ask pekora

>>90785897
They 100% lucked their way into cultural relevance, and then blew it over time.
The, "Cool Japan Fund", exists, Gate exists as a poorly concealed propaganda anime. They've been capitalizing on the popularity of anime for over a decade, and yet the ones who capitalized on it the most are China and Mihoyo. I was fed up with the current culture years ago, and gravitated towards vtubers as something new and unique that was related to it, but wasn't owned by it, but at this point every girl I like isn't Japanese, doesn't want to live in Japan, isn't the right type of Chinese, etc, etc... I wanted things to be different, but they ultimately stayed the same in the end.

Is the board getting raided? Fuck is happening

>>90779179
she's reading off the names of every blue sc

>>90786016
Biboo didn't get swarmed with question of her relation to management because she was already gushing about how she likes her manager.

>>90786248
Yeah, I watch Biboo and anyone who does knows she and her manager get along very well.

>>90786016
https://streamable.com/blgsog
mori said this before the frame even went up

>>90786188
>we will build something that cannot fail whatsoever
>why has our economy been stagnant for three decades straight?

>>90786235
Dramafag tourists and sisters are trying to rowdy up mourning saplings to lash out towards other holos. Just ignore them.

>>90786235
Dude I think it is. I come back after watching Kronii and IRyS and this has turned into redditor/twitter zoomer shit. I had to triple check what tab I had open. Tourists please fucking hang yourselves.

lately I can't look at any thread outside of /uuu/ or I just end up doomscrolling

>>90786235
There's blood in the water and grudgeposters smell it

>>90786576
Just turn stubs off and start hiding posts, its amazing how often they'll just samefag each other

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>>90786188 (me)
And before you tell me the modern American corpo culture is the same: yes it is the same because exactly the same inducing factors are at play.
System complexity inevitably runs into diminishing returns because complexity has an inherent cost of managing itself that scales exponentially with the degree thereof. Rice farming was an extremely complex undertaking for those ancient people's access to technology and their organizational capabilities.
Modern bureaucratic states and corporations have also from since long ago grown taller than that invisible ceiling.
The original West that began with the Germanic migrations was a great stepdown in complexity after the bloated systems of the late Roman times, following the rather simplistic organizational level of the Germanic tribes. It persisted all the way through until the 12th to 13th centuries when the High Medieval system assumed its optimal form. Then it all went downhill until the Malthusian-induced catastrophe of the Black Death reset a great deal of things. But even with these great crises (of magnitude no less cataclysmic than the great upheavals of China), Europe always kinda sucked at building perfect systems, Europe always liked to favor winging it to a degree and going after the roughly similarly-sized neighbor. So, in a sense, until the yet unexplained Great Divergence (i.e. the First Industrial Revolution), Europe was a barbarian wasteland in comparison to China, but also always more dynamic and adaptable.

>>90786576
faunaschizo working overtime to make sure /vt/'s opinion of fauna is in the shitter.

>>90786679
In English professor

>>90786814
Just read it in Fauna's voice.

>Dear Fauna
>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MARRY ME. PLEASE!!! I'M BEGGING AND SCREAMING. this is not a joke or a troll. I need your hand in marriage NOW. I need to have a large endless family with you NOW. Get married with meeee. SAY YES SAY YES SAY YES YESSSS
>Love, Anon.

what do you guys think of my fan letter? anything you would add. i think it's a cute send off.

>>90786831
Fuck off Gigi

>>90786831
Fauna already belongs to Mumei

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>>90786830 (me)
forgot the pic

>>90786831
Cover screens the letters so they'll probably only send her the ones that say they don't like her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO9B1SEMj9c
She won't cry, she won't care. She won't join VC, she won't collab unless they make a final Promise collab, where she can just look another way for an hour/two.

https://youtu.be/ejyiAfQy3DI?t=54

>>90787024
>2022
Its wild to think theyre relationship only got deeper and stronger. Man... I wish this whole situation never got out of control and they could stick together.

>>90786928
fuck, that might actually happen. That sucks.

>>90781018
because it's never been a fucking rrat. I was one of the few people who posted about it now and again half a year before everyone started noticing and then schizos having a field day with it and now even mentioning it will get you called a schizo. Because i guess i was the only one who actually watched both Fauna and Kroniis every stream and vod.
>>90782815
She didn't even address her graduation. She addressed all the drama about people talking shit about hololives management and then proceeded to say she's good and talk about herself. Fucking snake cunt. Hope she suffers in life

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I'm kinda excited to see what games she plays without stupid jap perms holding her back.

>>90787167
disco elysium would be kino as hell

>>90787167
UFO50
Metal Gear Revengeance for the MEMES

>>90787167
Broken Sword

>>90787248
meh, game's too political and centered on the real world for a vtuber, you also need to be dedicated and take it seriously

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fauna love

>>90787389
Plenty of indies played it though.

>>90787167
Slay the Spire

is she going to be a youtube or twitch streamer? I dont think she has pepe autism like ame so she should stick with youtube right unless she plans on collabing a lot?

>>90787467
Fauna isn't just some random indie, you'd do well to remember that.

>>90787504
Too early to know

>>90787504
99.9% she is too used to YouTube at this point, her fanbase is there, and twitch is doing terribly lately. Mint and Doki are successful on YouTube, and that's the best format for her to follow too.

>>90787504
I hope she stays on youtube, there is absolutely no good reason to use twitch in 2025.

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>>90787167
The Sims with omgwtfbbq plus more
I'm also looking forward to perm free karaokes

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>>90775657
>>90776038
Uuuu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04a2blFXdw8

It is all coming together
>>90787292

>>90786814
NTA but basically the Far East is collectivist to a fault. If a boss (i.e. manager) fucks up, HIS boss isn't gonna let HIS boss know about it without exhausting every possible solution, which in Cover's case, is just moving them around. You don't fire employees in Japan. Firing someone is just as much a social suicide for the boss as the employee being fired.

Bootlicker Bae and Korrupt Kronii towed the company line and turned their backs on Fauna lmfao what a bunch of sociopaths

>>90787788
Kronii just hate her ex

>>90787788
>towed
there's always a tell, it's like you leave them for fun

Guess I'll have to filter bootlick for the next couple of weeks.

>>90787318
oh fuck
UFO50 fauna would be absolute peak.

>>90786188
This rings true when you visit Japan, I've never seen a society where every single interaction and service felt like it was so consciously managed and pre planned. The obvious hand of an anal retentive system architect is everywhere.

>>90788011
It's absurd Hololive didn't jump at the opportunity to get UFO50 perms since that game has enough content to sustain streams for a very long time.

>>90776336
The only people who actually sounded like they cared were Raora and Cici.

>>90788100
Fauna asked for perms so nobody cared to get them.

>>90788100
Cover corp innovate in dropping the ball

>>90788102
they probably found out much later, maybe even in the past week. don't wanna scare em off

>>90787818
Kronii cried for Ame and basically invalidated Fauna's graduation. She really is a fucking bitch.

>>90787504
Twitch is a bit of a sinking ship, it would be weird to chose it over YouTube

>>90788211
lol

>>90787628
ASMR, might be the one exception, with how weird Neal has been. But besides that, absolutely zero good reasons

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Cautiously optimistic about the future

>>90788487
Me too. Fauna is a smart girl and will definitely utilise all she learned in hololive. It's going to be ok.

>>90787167
she can finally play all the dles she wants at the start of the stream while chatting

>>90788487
<3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UcG8V0HrAU&t=10572

>>90789177
Yeah I'm not opening that

>>90789177
are you lost?

Man I love Fauna

I've never really been very into ASMR but watched almost all of Fauna's just because I love Fauna, but if she ever decides to go back and do more stuff like >>90756458 I think it may be over for me

>>90786679
I think it helps that Europe was such a clusterfuck of cultures, religious denominations and nation-states. It created a civilization defined by trial-and-error and experimentation. Failure was just a way to find out how something really worked. It wasn't a loss of face or social standing, but rather the opposite. It showed that you tried to further human knowledge and was early on seen as a form of worship, as science was trying to find out how God had ordered the universe.

I know that there is a theory that the scientific revolution happened in Europe for a reason. Christianity planted the seed for natural science by assuming that the world is defined by natural laws and thus ordered by a benevolent and providential intelligence. The combination of Greek Philosophical realism and providential Monotheism combined with rivaling states created a hotbed of innovation and thinking that rewarded advances in science. Eastern philosophy is more skeptical and introspective, see Buddhism, and was also more homogenous (China was top-dog and Japan was homogenous and culturally united).

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Man... I'm not even excited for this anymore... It feels so fake now.

Something in me can't stop thinking that this could have been easily avoided. I guess I love bargaining.

>>90789646
my favorite ASMR from Fauna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eissATf7ul4

>>90789646
Her little short asmr the other week had 15 seconds of basically moaning

>>90789886
Feels like it's gonna be a send-off. The title, the fact they worked on it with the knowledge she is leaving, since they apparently knew for a while. If anything it might be less fake than some of the Promise collabs where Kronii was ignoring Fauna.

>>90789940
It does feel that was could have been true, but the crash has already happened, nothing we can do about it now.

>>90778804
Didn't the others say that they knew months ago ?

>>90789940
Everything can be easily avoided unless the only thing you care about is profit

>>90789646
That stuff gave me my first erection since the announcement

>>90787846
Honestly a good idea

>>90789646
Pretty sure that's a mashup of a few different ones.
Not really expecting her to go back to the old style of ASMR though

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>>90788487
same
its sad news and it will come with drawbacks, but overall I'm sure she'll be just fine
might even be better in the long run

>>90789886
Huh? This one thing I a most excited about. Probably the last time I can watch Fauna sing in 3D

>>90789646
GOD

these 4 fucking minutes.
that thing fucked me up good.
like i know its a goofy meme and all but i dont know how to describe it except "edit of Ryan Gosling staring off into the distance with slowed sad music" x10.

do you think well ever get something like that anons?
is this too perfect to find in real life?

Fauna is dead to me
Indie whores can go fuck off

>>90791259
You're dead to me

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I'll always love Fauna and Moom

>>90790862
>do you think well ever get something like that anons?
The probability of it happening is getting lower as you get older, but it never reaches zero.

>>90791287
Where do you check this? I always wanted to see watchtime

Good morning /uuu/

>>90791776
>Good

>>90787504
There's Ame/Dooby Tech Tips at beck and call ready to help + there's some streamer that I know who stream on both Twitch and YT at the same time, the one that I know and usually watch is Luke Stephens Live who stream on both YT and Twitch together with the chat from twitch and yt merged together on the screen (only on the screen, you can't see yt chat on twitch chatroom and vice versa)

Hopefully she'll do a stream on both platform especially on Youtube since I don't know about Twitch algorithm but as far as I know Youtube algorithm already recommending Lemonleaf channel to many of the people who subscribed to Fauna since many of Fauna's subscriber are subbing en masse onto Lemonleaf the algorithm think it's a hot channel and good match for people who watch Fauna or content similar to her, which a rare W for Youtube algorithm

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>>90791287

>>90789940
Kiara says it's usually not just one thing but lots of smaller things building up over the years. I doubt it could have been easily avoided.

>>90792103
A ton of vtubers stream on both without any issues

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>>90791776
Good Morning anon

>>90792178
small little slap everyday is way more annoying and stressing than one big slap once, honestly this is what I fear is happening to other girls as well and we'll never know cause when they say they're okay people just take it at blind faith, I take Fauna's word that she's okay at blind faith and now she's graduating and that'll be the last time I'll believe in "I'm okay and the company is okay" statement without actual prove

Ok guys what if the reason Kronii has been so hesitant to say Fauna's name this year is because she's too used to calling her Lily from when they dated

>>90791401
i believe in us my sapling friend.
fauna believes in us.

>we WILL get a cute soft mommy wife whispering sweet affirmation and reassurance in our ear while cuddling. undying love and without shame.

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>>90792444
Something like this but pink would be nice

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Cute Goob retweet

>>90785911
>Most managers have a degree in management.
in business sure, in entertainment it is usually people that have tried becoming musicians, comedians etc that are managers, assistants etc and let me remind you that cover (at least a few years ago) did not want to hire fans or anyone with a connection to vtubing. oh and lots of their hires are from the job hunting season when japanese corpos hire people that graduated university and they really dont care about your degree or skills because you get hired for life so you learn on the job
a recipe for fucking stagnation and shitty workers

>>90792608
>concealed pits

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>2 detailed tweets for stream cancellation
Maybe if she was open like that in the past, things could have been solved before they got worse.

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>>90792626
Really gets the noggin joggin huh

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fauna is a great streamer and a huge reason i got into hololive but this was her at her best. i'm at peace with her walking away and wish her happiness, but pretending there's a better future isn't in my cards

>>90792707
Fauna can sing if she tries, I love that cover of hers

>LL had 30k~ subs when i checked right after the "serious talk" tweet
>now at 260k

and thats not even the main one technically.
must be some kind of record for fastest pre-graduation rise of a rm, right? (not that there are too many cases like that)

>>90786814
NTA but TLDR: cost of bureaucracy grows faster than profit if you are afraid of failing, that is why you should never design a system that is not allowed to fail. keeping it unsophisticated is robust, keeping it sophisticated is fragile

>>90792444
>>90792518
She doesn't want to be mommy. She has that aura, but at the end of the day it's something that was accidentally forced on her because of Mother Nature lore. She wants to be more like an older sister, and she likes being goofy. Think goth/3D swimsuit Fauna > default Fauna
She will still have those moments of natural warmth, but she won't build her persona around it.

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Cover Hate
Yagoo Hate
Fauna Love
simple ass

>>90792441
NTA, but if you look at Myth they all just seem so drained and lifeless now. Gura and Ame are the worst, but you can see it in all of them. I've had a theory for years that behind the scenes EN management is just full of politicking and incompetence, and they make it so hard for talent to do their job that no matter how passionate you start off, you're a burnt out husk in a year.

The longer they've been in Hololive the worse it is. You can see the symptoms in some members of Promise/CouncilRyS too. Advent and Justice might be too new, but then again, I don't watch them that much so I wouldn't know.

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>>90791287
>>90791475
Yeah, I'm curious too. The takeout json you can grab from Youtube doesn't track watch time.

>>90792952
I think it just assumes you watch 100% of the video/stream every single time

>>90787167
I would like a returning segment Weird Games Wednesday where she plays weird games, think Northern Journey (it is weird but it is genuinely good), Cabelas Dangerous Hunt 2013, No one lives under the lighthouse
Also I would like her to play old influential games, think of it like experiencing gaming history

and yes i am a mandalore gaming enjoyer so any games he reviews i would like to see

>>90792908

yeah i know i know.
she dropped hints several times that she really doesnt like the mommy stuff, trying to distance from it.
which is a shame because she fits it just PERFECT.
>the mannerisms, the voice, the intelligence, the yapping, the lore connection.
mommy wife, the best there is.
the goofiness and silly only adds to it.

thats kinda why i worry that when she returns to LL she'll just drop the mature aspect of her completely.
but, whatever makes her more comfy i suppose.

>>90782315
Yeah and FaunaMart was the only non cringe storyline in the whole collab.

>>90793087
I think the mommy stuff attracts a certain audience that not a lot of vtubers want to deal with.

>>90793087
She won't drop it because she IS mature.

>>90782745
Yes, but it's ok. Things are born, change and die. That's just the way of the world.

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>>90792626
>>90792685
I'm so thankful for these two right now...
That's some old fanart to from Gura to

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>>90792685
>>90793167
Most of Mumei's ship art she's retweeted this year has been FauMei. God I hope both of these girls understand where Fauna is coming from

LL fart ASMR soon

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>>90792934
no...

>>90782228
actually it's that she played dota 2
she was gone the whole of 2024 and at the very least all of promise knew

>>90793251
yes

tribalfags out the only enemy is management

>>90775657
I am downright retarded so humor me for a second here. Was the shrimp video LL uploaded a few weeks ago a reference to being a Gura fan or something completely unrelated?

>>90793361
its a trend, it could have a double meaning. we will never know

>>90793361
She did not write the lyrics, if that's what you're asking. We don't really know what she meant by it other than funny

>>90793361
50% just a silly cover of a meme song.
50% its her not so subtly saying what she is feeling through the lyrics.

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>>90793361
Expect

>>90793361
She mentioned having it stuck in her head on stream, but yeah it was almost certanly meant as Gura reference as well.
>>90793513
I'm ugly crying if that's what is going to happen there, don't even care

>>90793361
Original Miku shrimp was uploaded on Nov7
She talked about how it's her new earworm shortly after and uploaded a cover on Nov17
It raised some eyebrows, since she isn't normally active on RM, but most just assumed she didn't wanna bother waiting who knows how long for perms for a silly 1 minute shrimp song (if she would ever get those at all)
But then other uploads happened, other signs happened, and here we are.
Possibly she stumbled upon the song by accident, and the lyrics just resonated with her and her situation at a time. Like it's a mix of silly shrimp stuff and
>but I'm happy knowing
>that I will be okay
>maybe one day
>something will change

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>>90793327
Yeah, no hating the other girls

>>90793161
>>90793136

its very superficial of me
but i just want her to do a model redesign into a big titty mature woman.
i know she is a person is going to be same ol' fauna.

(also got me realizing that im going to miss the peak fauna fanart so much. fucking hell.)

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>>90793773
My expectation is more like this

>>90792518
this looks so fucking bad holy shit.

>>90793327
>>90793717
friendship over corpo shit, that's sometimes that her "genmates" aren't doing

>>90793513
Oh

>>90793513
me dumb.
me no understand what this mean.
please explain

>>90793061
Fauna playing hunting games would be really funny if she felt bad about every animal she killed

why is Promise such a snake pit? literally everybody else loves Fauna. are they just racist towards vegans?

>>90794043
Gura's RM bio

>>90793851
never talk shit about asagi-mama again

>>90775657
Not furry enough.

Man I really hate this whole thing. It couldn't just be a tearful but positive goodbye of mutual understanding, it had to have all this baggage attached and she's clearly unhappy about how things panned out. The responses from the JPs like Noel, Lui, Kanata, Polka and Towa were the best and I just want more of those.

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>>90794043
notGura updated her twitter profile a few weeks ago, go look yourself.
notGura followed notFauna the day of the graduation announcement. Gura retweeting art of her and Fauna together.
notMumei followed notFauna the moment the shrimp song came out. Mumei retweeting art of her and Fauna together.
Think about it. I wont take my meds

>>90794131
friend groups get a little screwed up after a divorce

What I've gotten from the other girls "addressing the Fauna situation" is that they're not addressing the Fauna situation. They're just reassuring their fans that they aren't next on the queue. They can't speak for Fauna so they aren't.

For some reason I still can't rationalize that Fauna is graduating
It still feels unreal to me

>>90794076
Cabelas Dangerous Hunt 2013 is more of a fever dream than a hunting game, imagine CoD but it is an african safari of animals trying to kill you. But I agree it would be funny seeing her play a real hunting game and get sad about killing animals

>>90794131
I think they've known for some time. Maybe the Promise Musical was always going to be one last chance for them to perform together. Just because they're not as vocal about their love for Fauna doesn't mean they're not close.

>>90794278
Better get your head in the game or january third will crush your soul.

>>90794314
If she's playing Cabela's she should play Carnivores. Hell she should play even more janky dinosaur games like Dino Crisis.

I'm not going to beg or hope for any holo to graduate, but there are some I'd like to see with Fauna again someday. Whenever that day may be.

>>90794278
same. I never would have guessed she was next to go in a million years. Her behavior outside of streams always felt like someone struggling with stress, but I didn't think it was that bad.

>>90794376
Dino Crisis isn't janky though.

>>90794202
>>90794135

oh god damn yeah i just checked.
honestly i hope that means theyll at least collab with LL as their rm (from what i understand cover doesnt limit that).

i dont want our kirin to feel lonely on stream during these overwhelming times.
good to see she has some good true friends in holo though, not to be mean but i dont think i saw something like that with ame for example.

>>90794409
I do hope Gura graduates so people can stop speculating about Gura graduating. It's not like she's coming back anyway

I've been keeping an eye on her subs here https://socialcounts.org/youtube-live-subscriber-count/UCO_aKKYxn4tvrqPjcTzZ6EQ the last few days. Now it's showing she lost a video today? Down from 703 to 702. Youtube still shows 703 though. Anyone know whats up with that?

>>90794223
Yeah that's exactly what's been happening. They'll all be in streams with Fauna over this month

>>90794444
everyone in the fucking branch is following ame. take your meds and stop trying to dramaticize shit for no reason

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>>90794576
>socialcounts
Anon...

>>90794518
Cover is basically paying her to stay, because Gura leaving will be one of the biggest PR disasters they'll ever have

>>90794409
Yeah I don't really want them to graduate to, but I'd be very happy to hear some familiar voices on stream from time to tme

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>>90784348
We will never get pony tail Fauna now...

>>90794644
I was curious how this push to get her to 1M was going. I also wanted to see if there was any obvious botting

>>90794202
>Gura saving Fauna from Shondo and other Twitch cancer
Please

>>90794588
im not trying to do anything. not every person asking questions is a schizo thread spammer.

and this is somewhat more then just a follow and a retweet.
its following several days before the announcement and the "&" thing which is very out there.

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>>90792518
>>90793815
>tfw you've already locked in on some AI-generated unofficial concept art that will never come to fruition
But I can already see the Live2D model and hear Fauna's voice. I'm so cooked bros.

Curse you, anon that made this. Why did you have to randomly create such an unfathomably beautiful creature and then instantly discard her. That's my wife you're tossing away!

Great Fairy FaunLeaf...my beloved...

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>>90794705
Socialblade doesnt accurately track, it just guesses.
https://vrabi.net/subscribers
https://www.vstats.jp/channels/1:UCO_aKKYxn4tvrqPjcTzZ6EQ/overall

>>90794834
ah a resident of /uuu2/ which is getting raided to hell and back since the announcement

>>90794834
thanks. I'm allergic to #s, so I had no idea

>>90794865
How did Fauna become associated with those threads?

>>90794926
good numbers, went from one of the weaker ones to the strong one, streamed through the grim times is essentially why

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can't say why you guys have spent the whole night posting, maybe you can't sleep or feel worried, hopefullly you aren't wearing yourselves down
i can give you this memory of fauna two months into building the world tree (also one of the first times she was showing off her home3d)

>>90794926
Tempus debuts, extremely dry Q4 2022, Faunaschizo, selenfag in global, a /uuu/ that didnt exist all the time, a pocket janny and a migration of saplings and irystocrats, and later hoomans from global

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>>90795146
Im going to rewatch the entire tree building from scratch in January to tide me over.

>>90795146
>maybe you can't sleep or feel worried
i am operating on 4-6 hours of sleep per night right now so yeah

>>90795183
>still trying to rope other fanbases into your numberfaggotry
Embarrassing.

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>>90795263
Its okay anon, I love all of hololive, Fauna the most.

Will it be Minecraft MWednesday or something else?

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>>90795243
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9wk1OpXlbk this was the first building stream, but i can't recall the first "planning streams" where she drew the mspaint tree sorry

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Maybe she'll get a cowkini outfit before graduation. This is her only chance left to do it as Fauna.

>>90795146
I'm a eurofag waiting to start my new job in a month, I have all the time in the world at the moment. Although admittedly I didn't sleep when I saw her graduation announcement.
>Wake up at like 2 in the morning
>Decide to watch a Fauna yapping clip as a sleep aid
>First thing I see is THAT livestream
>Stay awake and angry and sad the entire coming day
That was a rough day. I'm still pissed but it did nudge me in the direction of indies.

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>>90795466

Someone pls bake