A word that can't be translated because it's meaning is entirely contextual.

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>>39131061
This is a problem with a lot of conceptual communication I see. There is no reason to translate it, all you have to do is explain it in the context that you're using it. If it requires reference to another untranslatable word, you explain that word too. It's not impossibly complicated, it just requires using your words. The problem is that the person who understands the intricacies of qi in Chinese probably lacks facility in English and doesn't want to enact the effort, or is simply unable to do so with the subtlety of their inner monologue in Chinese, so they cop out with "it's untranslatable" when an English sentence is perfectly capable of using the word "qi" without translating it. OP asked for an explanation, not a translation.

>>39131055
Research:
>the orgin of mana or spirit
>orgone
>psychic abilities
>aura
>looshing
When we’re born the source sparks our soul into being, it’s a fire like light, every living thing produces orgone and a warped version of orgone, called agonic energy or just agony, the elites loosh our agony.

>>39131107
Witch butt.

>>39131385
i know right, she knows ur lookin too

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>>39131055
>Explain qi to me
One of three treasures of daoism. In popculture and fiction it's considered some sort of life energy but it's more like transformative/action energy, or better yet - quality rather than energy. Life and form is more dependent on another quality of the three, jing.
>Is it real?
Well, either we assume it is or this thread has no further point, does it? Many believe it is.
>What can it do?
It can be used for plenty of things, assuming you can harness and refine it properly
>How do I acquire it?
You already have it, but depending on your lifestyle, whether you practice anything encouraging physical health or outright doing qigong, it's just weaker/less refined. Maybe you can also have "more" of it, I know that at least you can pack it denser.

Anyway, how to get there? Qigong. Any basic kind of it, even old, reliable, simple, with no special qualities but good for one's health baguajin/baduanjin (same thing, different western spellings) though there's many other sets of qigong exercises, some more generic, others with goal of developing particular qualities. Whichever you'll go for, just remember to not only do physical movement but also pay attention to impressions and said "energy" as well as you move, for better effect.

>>39131107
why do witches ride brooms?
to cover their tracks

>>39131055

I am electing not to explain Qi.

>>39131055
QI GONG QI GONG
HEE HAW HEE HAW

>>39131055
You're breathing wrong

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This is actually a pretty good book which explains it pretty well
If anyone's interested in more
>>>/soc/33549042

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>>39131870
I say William these Israelis are complete utter savages. They should learn to be more Multicultural like we are.

>>39131950
Too right, zipper!

>>39131055
From my very limited understanding. Qi in modern chinese means steam. But more accurately it translates to as; power or energy.

In ancient times Qi was believed to be the life force energy present in all living beings, that animates them and makes them alive. All living beings are born with Qi. However this Qi is minimal and limited. It is dulled, suppressed, confined, locked-away, restrained, inactivated. But, with a lifetime of scholarship and training it is thought possible to activate, access and cultivate your Qi. An activated Qi brings you closer to the divine. It animates and invigorates you. The benefits of an activated Qi are said to be numerous and bestow upon the bearer many boons. Such as virility, strength, understanding, etc. Cultivating Qi makes you stronger in those regards. All beings are capable of activating their Qi, even the lowliest. However there was one group of beings said to have been born with their Qi already activated. The Gods. And that is the sole distinction of what made them gods. Being born with access to their Qi. The gods were said to have many great gifts from their Qi, including but not limited to; Immense Strength, Flight, Immortality, Etc.

I regret to inform you that I do not know to activate your Qi. I read some manuals on the subject, but those were nothing more than basic meditation exercises. Some monks spent an entire lifetime practicing these exercises, but with nothing to show for it.

Personally as spiritual as I am. I do not believe that everyone can activate their Qi. Or atleast not with the presented methods. I do believe that it may be possible. But in some way, long lost to us.

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>>39133447
>I read some manuals on the subject, but those were nothing more than basic meditation exercises
>Personally as spiritual as I am. I do not believe that everyone can activate their Qi

Anon.
If not the fact you've admitted "limited understanding" I'd call you a fucking poser.
Not really spiritual, not really knowledgeable about such things, seemingly didn't even care to go out of your way and spend a few minutes to find readily available works on the topic.
Just huffing your own farts and idealizing scant tidbits you did acquire while otherwise indulging lazy pondering.

It sounds scathing, but there's a reason for my claim. You see, qigong, neidan etc are disciplines practiced since a very, very long time, with shitloads of practices and manuals going waaaay past "basic meditation exercises". It takes just a bit of googling away for free material or getting a few better books (many of which are translated) to figure that out. You didn't. You made claims and put on airs.

Everyone can use and cultivate qigong at basic level. Old people doing tai-chi-quan in parks and gardens do just that. Baduanjin is commonspread among populace since hundreds of years. And you had no clue but tried to explain things?
The difference is, that at this basic level you won't acquire any great, mystical things. You may learn to sense and direct your own qi, perhaps help your own body heal a bit up and maintain some vigor into your elderly years. In general, it's exercises good for your health.

See, the problem and hardship is after that. To get further than this you need to do some heavier changes, through exercises under an eye of practitioner (usually your own master) advanced enough to oversee and adjust your qi flow. You develop dantians and in general start adjusting yourself for more ambitious refinement and use of qi - stepping into practice of neidan and slowly then developing more "supernatural" qualities.

>>39131055
Qi is the life force energy, everyone alive has it but many people especially in the west suppress it with too much stress and lack of exercise. There are ways to bring it out even further, to hone it to achieve astounding things.

>>39134735
Like I said my understanding is very limited. I tried getting into taichi during the pandemic but I felt like my time was wasted. My experience studying and practicing Qi left me feeling depressed and disappointed. Especially after reading all the tales surrounding it. I wasn't expecting miracles or anything like that. But something more tangible than mild exercise exhaustion. I dont know if the old people in the park are practicing taichi wrong or if they've gaslit themselves into believing it actually works. Or if they're just doing for anything other than the social interaction. I dont deride them, I'm happy for them. But I dont attain whatever benefits they do from taichi.

Personally I still believe in the concept of Qi. But I truly felt nothing when using the common methods to practice Qi activation and cultivation. I believe there may be another way to access one's Qi. I just dont know how. I think an emotional trigger may be required. There is something there. I feel it. Something deep inside of me.

>>39134735
>stepping into practice of neidan and slowly then developing more "supernatural" qualities.
Please provide any proof for such claims.
Oh right

"magic" is just a person channelling demons. These demons alter/move molecules to construct whatever is needed (fire, ice, flight, etc.). It's basically just the person signing themselves over to demons for temporary assistance from very tiny demons.
Do not practice magic - not even in videogames.

>>39135308
lmao
>You are incapable of accomplishing anything! Anything you think you accomplish is actually someone else's doing! You are nothing!
This is one of the worst cases of learned helplessness I've ever seen.

I was watching Super: Broly the other day 4k on the tv and noticed brolys transformation aura always starts out at his navel.

>dynamo jack, many other such cases in occult teachings as well as vedas

>>39135737
it just dawned on me that the gut flora biome likely gives a stronger electromagnetic link to the earth's field and is why Flux would originate from the navel area.

Huh that's pretty clever design philosophy. Am beyond impressed.

>>39135221
How one would go about it? Even if anon can say, zap you lightly by touching you, he can hardly do so over the fucking internet now, can he?

>>39135308
Bullshit. That or only demons exist, no other spiritual beings in existence, no God or any entities not aligned with "demons".

>>39135308
Terminal christcancer, treatment is no longer possible.

>>39135088
Small hint in regards to that:
What are you doing? If you're just moving your limbs then yeah, you will only exercise. Need to pay attention, like how you don't concentrate much, but look at a finger of comfortably extended hand and open yourself to impressions. It may be just movement of blood you haven't noticed, but the tingling you should feel may be also qi.
Now do it with other exercises, at greater scale. You extend your arms and you pay attention, move your awareness together and thorough your arm and where it will go, qi will follow. Usually feeling of said fingling, pressure, heat.

>>39135755
Well none of the people who claim supernatural powers ever get their powers lab tested is all I'm saying.

>>39131055
an older taoist lady once told me that chi is patterned energy and is thusly also information
this is why it has so many forms
the different patterns have different qualitative factors despite sharing the underlying category of energy
as far as how to acquire it,
there is some normal baseline operating level, and it takes a lot of work to grow/build your jing
for jing is the mother of chi
thusly it is important to be healthy, exercise, meditate
all of these firm the jing, make it healthier and qualitatively better
with cultivation, it is possible to bring that baseline operating level of chi to higher degrees
but it is built slowly over time, this is why one must cultivate every day if one is to have above baseline chi

>>39135755
>Even if anon can say, zap you lightly by touching you, he can hardly do so over the fucking internet now, can he?
it takes a significant level to be able to do this stuff at a distance
one of my old teachers was able to do this
he'd do entire weekends long transmissions
I'd know as soon as he began, I'd know the moment he stopped

>>39135308
its both sad and hilarious that the pharisees taught christians this utter nonsense
its ok for them to do, but not you, lmao
jewish shit is rife with it
its ok for them but not for you
by believing this garbage you place your mind into a box

>>39135221
I love how confident completely inexperienced people are

>>39135088
>But I truly felt nothing when using the common methods to practice Qi activation and cultivation
a little yang tai chi in a park isnt going to do a hell of a lot for you
those old people do it to move blood around and prevent age related stagnation, 99% arent doing any chi cultivation with it
meditation is a requirement
stillness is a requirement
doing things that will increase chi significantly beyond those two, without those two, becomes dangerous at some point
but without good methods, you'll be like those losers practicing those piecemeal mopai notes that are just half wrong
dozen years later they have nothing tangible to show from it

>>39136132
i love how you think anyone doesn't see through your cope

>>39135088
>I tried getting into taichi
>taichi

you're not going to learn anything about neidan/neigong and really you probably won't learn much about qigong either in a tai chi class. Taichi is arguably a grappling based martial art that's been turned into light calisthenics for geriatrics rather than any sort of meaningful energetic exercise

>>39137249
I wouldnt diss on chen form
yang form was developed for the emperor who wanted to do it but couldnt do all of the maneuvers in chen form
powerful, in trained and competent hands

>>39131385
nice

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Qi / Vayu / Prana / Ether is all the same thing.
It's the spark of life.

>>39131055
psychic calories?

>>39139008
no you silly syncretist

>>39139008
Wrong. The cosmologies and properties of those qualities differ noticeably between said cosmologies.

>>39140967
Because people are superstitious and interpret things according to their tradition. They describe the same thing.

>>39135978
Some did. Funnily enough there's even some research papers, though seemingly mostly done in asia.

>>39140980
And yet, again, what they describe differs in properties between those traditions, somehow allowing in one for a person to do something that won't work in the other. And that if we won't get into (and we should, since it does make a difference) that in most of those traditions, usually several qualities are listen. For example, retards think it's all just qi, when the three taoist treasures are qi, jing and shen and even these have subgroups (primordial, pre- and post-natal, yin and yang etc) which affect what they are and what one can do with them.
So either we question it all, including existence of such stuff or we accept the people who established existence of it had some idea of what's what and it was a bit more complex than some generic magic energy.

Picking and choosing, ignoring most of it without any practical experience with it (and if there'd be any, differences could be seen) to then decide what you do care to believe in is all there is smells like absolute dilettante with a side of Dunning-Kruger effect to me.

There very well maybe some overlap - I wouldn't be surprised if some "energy" in one tradition is a specific subset/kind of it in another, but simplifying it all to "it's all those generic terms, interchangeably" is a good way to mislead.

>>39141008
>somehow allowing in one for a person to do something that won't work in the other.
source?

I can't do magic right now because i need to accomplish certain things on my own. But i feel that i should be reading information on the matter well ahead of time. Can someone recommend a good start of the journey?

>>39141771
Basic qigong on its own won't let you do much "magic" anyway, at most it'll help with certain aspects of yourself, be it physical health, certain qualities of strength, feeling and steering flow of qi, stilling your mind and other such useful, but rather generic things. Maybe also a bit of healing, but even that far from some outright miracle-working till you'll step a bit further than just qigong - into neidan territory (with the latter building upon and including former). Most people are adamant that it will require in-person tutoring by some master able to prove they have the skills. For straight-up magic, occultism etc, you should look into other traditions, with qigong being mostly supplementary and even that in big part for the sake of keeping your body healthier.

If you still want some books, Jwing-Ming Yang had a rare reputation of writing the least bullshit beginner stuff. Quite some people were lured by stuff like Mopai and whatnot but there's no masters accepting students for it anymore and the book learning is limited, so those who go with it either acquire minor "nifty tricks" at the risk and severe price of hurting themselves or waste time. Supposedly, you'll do the best finding actual master, preferably in Asia, most likely China, by word of mouth of contacting various practitioners, having them reference the most skilled person they know and who could accept some student and then asking those again till you find someone decent enough who outright will be able to show you clear, objective supernatural abilities.

>>39141008
>dunning-kruger
fuck off back to preddit retardfaggot

>>39141937
>feeling and steering flow of qi, stilling your mind and other such useful, but rather generic things
Nta but I'd speculate that those (and a couple of others) generic things are underlying the entire phenomenon of magic. Modern understanding of magic is less "supernatural breaking the laws of reality" and more "manipulating reality with your will in accordance to natural laws unknown to most people". In this sense, energy work practice like qigong is the practical foundation which helps you feel and understand subtle energies, how do they work and how to direct them, and from there you proceed with controlling the energies of the outside world and make the result of their work more pronounced. People always put suspiciously strong emphasis on how qigong is all about longevity, health, healing etc but I think they either won't dare to go further or they deliberately obscure the potential of energy manipulation.

>>39141993
medical qigong is a specific sub category. It just happens to be the version with the most widely circulated information at least partially due to government sponsorship.

>>39131055
It's the thing that goes "sshhjj sshhjj sshhjj sshhjj" and swirls around you like in your pic.

>>39142168
This was intentional. I won't believe for a single moment that chinks have practiced, studied and perfected their energy work techniques for several thousands years (as they claim) and they only practical result they've got out of it is a couple of dudes who can ignite paper with their touch after practicing 24/7 for a hundred years in a super-secret monastery on a side of a mountain. It simply doesn't add up.

>>39142541
Sounds like the culture is too alien for you to even know where to begin looking if that's all you think there is.

>>39142577
Knowledge is vastly overestimated. All that's necessary is 2+ brain cells and the basest of basics to get you hooked up to discover everything by yourself. Which is how, at some point in history, literally everything was discovered. I don't care if some practices are kept secret, what is available publicly is enough for me, the rest I will achieve or bring to me by myself.
>inb4 le danger
Danger does not exist.

>>39142603
reread what I wrote, slowly. It was in response to the claim that all that was public was "a couple of dudes who can ignite paper"

>>39142623
That's the only thing I could find on a publicly available video, yes. Something that appears to be genuine. But I don't need proof of supernatural or something, it was said to illustrate how powerful techniques elude revelation to the wide public despite obviously being not only possible, but already studied and mastered by some people.

>>39142642
it's only not public in english and even in english there was better coverage in the fucking 80s than what you think is available

>>39142541
>perfected their energy work techniques for several thousands years (as they claim) and they only practical result they've got out of it is a couple of dudes who can ignite paper with their touch
Not even that those videos are easily faked. Vitalism is wrong get over it.

>>39142868
>the priests of the Holy Soience said it's wrong and doesn't exist! Glory to Saint Dr. Fauci!
You people are no better than cristcucks.

>>39143239
How do you write this shit without realizing how braindamaged you are?

Im pretty sure qi/chakra/mana is actually just biophysical energy flowing through the brain and nervous system.

>>39143463
>if you don't share my quazi-religious dogmatic slop-mentality it means you are defective! Praised be holy Elon Musk!
Squirmy-thrashy sciencecuck, ho-ho-ho.

>>39131055
You already have qi but you can refine it by stimulating your vagus nerve

>>39142541
You are correct. There is a higher level war going on between good and evil that makes man more decrepit each generation both physically and energetically/spiritually on every level of reality which makes what John Chang accomplished a miracle in and of itself. It’s very difficult to perform the feats he did with people’s bodies so ravaged and the time commitment it takes. Hence why you don’t see wizards chunking fireballs anymore but people still cast insidious curses and the like.

>>39143582
It should be possible to use available magic to weave such circumstances and coincidences around yourself that would allow one to practice magic to insanely high levels, straight up fantasy stuff like fireballs and more. But this requires a walking paradox: a man who rejects one-sided, purely spiritual enlightenment and indulges in physical world and its gifts, and yet is able to discipline himself and distance himself from the world enough to be able to reach such inconceivable heights.

>>39131055
Qi must be trained and cultivated some media comics and games explain it very well. Also has a limit on the body
That's why some legit chinese qi masters spent all their time in the mountains alone.
Psy or mind power is the one people use for Magick,prayers,rituals etc. It comes from emotions,thoughts,and imagination.
That's why fear makes you see more paranormal stuff. And also it only has one limit your mind

>>39143617
Unfortunately you can’t do it smoothly in the manner John Chang did because higher realms and the internal piping are clustered fucked but I’m working on clearing them.

>>39131371
is there going to be a second satanic panic starting on 11/23/24

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this board sure likes dragon ball huh there's 3 threads up with DB characters as the OP image.
anyway, pic related. choose one

>>39143488
I'm pretty sure it's just neurotransmitters in the brain

>>39143897
Frieza obv
>training is meant for the monkey and not for the master

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg3pza4y2ws

>>39134735
you actually willing to give those advanced energy practices or are you just going to blindly assume the current masters still understand them or if I just learned more on the topic that it would all match what you believe

>>39135088
you need grounding you need your feet actually touching the dirt

big problem with a lot of practices nowadays is nobody practicing this stuff really understands it anymore for all the talk of purifying meridians in old chinese stuff almost none of them get that you actually do need to purify your meridians bits and pieces of this stuff have been rediscovered in grounding, trauma release exercises, trigger point therapy but most still fail to get that there is an energetic waste product of positive ions you need to get rid of.
qi gong forms TRE and trigger point are all about loosening the denser bits of this stuff from muscles but you still need to deal with it in that looser form and thats where grounding comes in.

only seen two cases of a traditional master telling their students this and one of them was john chang to jim in his mo pai book and most chucklefucks just plain refuse to believe you can hurt yourself with this stuff and the rest just assume you must of fucked up rather than the school having lost the understanding of their own theories enough to compensate for changing conditions like god damn rubber soled shoes

read Robert Becker's "the body electric" it will give you a way better understanding of qi and what these arts SHOULD be capable of than any modern occult book

Stand up and don't move even a little bit.
Zhanzhuang.

>>39133447
>>39135088
Anon don't let that other anon gaslight you. You are right that at even a basic level modern Qi exercises are missing something crucial. Its not hard to grasp what happened if you study Chinese people though. It is unthinkable to question elders in their culture so fakes have disciples that waste decades on bullshit. Ever notice how easy it is to spot fake Guru's from India as a Westerner but they always have a ton of locals fooled? The problem is magnitudes worse in regards to Chinese traditions. Combine this with the likelihood that even masters with a scrap of genuine knowledge are super secretive, strict, and dogmatic, and the result is a decay of knowledge. This doesn't even begin to get into that fact that the CCP is scared of authentic spiritual power and actively seeks to destroy it. You may have heard of Falon Gong/Dafa being suppressed as an example. What we hear in the West makes them sound like political dissidents but they are mostly just a type of Qi Gong practitioner (I honestly doubt they even have decent techniques). This make the fact that the steal these peoples organs a little more interesting as well.
Somewhere out there hidden I suspect are some real Taoist immortals but good luck trying to get them to teach you.

>>39146641
Not that anon. But I agree. There is something missing from qi practices. Some element that links it all together.

>>39143897
Ancestral memory. I truly believe that you can inherit some sort of prior knowledge from your ancestors. They call it instinct. But then why do all people seem to believe in people who could fly and idolize them too? Why is the archetype of the Superman so prominent in cultures all over the world? I don’t think it’s just wishful thinking. There’s gotta be something behind this belief because it’s so common.

>>39146781
I personally think it is due to past lives but I agree. Someone sees something in fiction and intuitively knows its real. Its also how I know modern Qi Gong is missing something, I can sense it. Beware those who mock this intuition based on what activates it.

>>39146852
They call it fiction to discredit anyone who genuinely feels some sort of connection to the story. The best stories are based on something real. Modern stories are so bad because those who create them have zero real world experience with the subject matter. At best they’re scholars whose entire knowledge of the subject is based upon what they read in a book or watched in a movie. It’s why as someone who’s experienced the early 2000’s and y2k culture. It pisses me off when zoomers try to lecture me about it. They imitate the trappings of the time. But don’t understand the context. The reason why things were the way they were. Same thing is going on with contemporary period pieces being so damn unbelievable and immersion breaking. Because they’re too multicultural and the dialogue is ripped straight from a modern day LA or San Francisco bar.

>>39141937
guy who compiled the mo pai notes used local thai practices to fill the gaps in a school that proudly declared it had relatively recently migrated from china its a complete failure to recreate the schools teachings and way it sounds the branch will either completely die off or degrade to just another school without actual powers

a lot of people just completely fail to grasp occult knowledge has been dying out for generations the best stuff I have seen is exclusively in the oldest stuff around that nobody understands anymore, secular recreations of understanding of vitalism, and just the furthest most irreputable stuff any orthodox practitioners or religious leaders would immediately renounce

>>39146909
They really do attack people who truly feel something. Call them nerds, weird, obsessed. And now they intentionally try and destroy the stories that do this. As a 90's kid I hear you on the Zoomers and modern adaptations. You know I am not some /Pol/ Nazi but man if the woke people don't kill the very soul of everything they touch.

>>39147040
I don’t consider myself a nazi either. But the woke are destroying are culture and mythology. They seek to reinterpret everything through a Marxist lens and that’s evil and destructive. Wokeness has to be stopped! Or else we’ll end up like hollow shells of people with no culture no identity no link to the past. I’m a /v/Irgun and I’ve seen how destructive the woke can be. I can’t play video games anymore because it’s all woke slop. Man /pol/ is right on so many things that it’s freaking scary.

>>39147131
I miss video games too anon. I mean a new Dragon Age is coming out today and I have no desire to play it because it is so dam woke (and that's saying something coming from Bioware).

>>39147148
It’s not just videogames bro it’s everything. Why is studying European mysticism considered taboo? Because of ‘muh nazis’. In the 19th century the belief in the occult, the supernatural and the European life force energy of vril was commonplace. Today it’s forbidden. I heard the same was true in china in regards to qi during mao. The woke marxists completely erased the past and tried to replace it with communism. But that didn’t work and look what the once proud Chinese people are now? A shell of their former selves. That’s why ancient Chinese culture is so popular among modern day Chinese. Because it’s their only link to their past.

>>39147131
I might add pol is indeed right about many things, but it goes deeper than they know (but of course I think that I am on x). Like what we have been discussing with people who can fly and have powers. TPTB don't want those sorts of people running around potentially disrupting their agenda (which goes way deeper than Cultural Marxism) and see these stories as I threat. They have also been rolling out propaganda against such people in the recent time (such as "The Boys").

Can you two faggots shut up?
Noone cares if you play videogames or not. And for your claims about qi either provide evidence or shut up too.

>>39144961
Good post.

>>39147186
I know bro its just an example. One of the most prominent examples of the its just fiction is if you become interested in the Germanic Gods. They are against many things (including other religions) but Odin legit makes them spaze out like no other.

>>39147207
Make me faggot.

>>39147199
>>39147219
I’ve been thinking about what >>39133447 said about qi being a power of the gods. All over the world the stories of the gods state that they had some sort of special power that mortals did not. This unknown power was what made them divine beings in the first place. You had to be born with this power. But In some customs it was possible for mortals to attain this divine power. And that’s the modern day excuse for how all these religious rituals came about. Some benign like chanting and meditation. Others unforgivable like human sacrifice. Either way none of these rituals have so far worked. I think that these rituals may have been either manufactured or corrupted to lead humans down the wrong path. Or worse still these rituals were designed to prevent the divine power from ever manifesting. Like in Polynesia they have the concept of kapu or the forbidden taboo. Stupid minor things like women not being able to eat bananas. It was thought that by committing kapu it greatly weakened the chief and his spirit power and the only way to undo the offense was through death. How did they get this idea on the first place? Something’s not adding up for me.

Also it’s not just Odin but any non Abrahamic deity. The jews and Muslims hate that Hindus worship many gods. But they hate the Christian concept of saints just as much. They consider it a form of idolatry. All praise must go to their god. You can’t pray to Moses or Muhammad. But praying to Jesus is acceptable and encouraged in some Christian denominations.

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>>39141969
It stings when it rings true, eh? Or maybe you think only plebbit is aware of idiots overestimating themselves?
>>39141993
Partially true. Yes, such practices train qualities that also help in more serious spiritual endeavors but it's not exactly that. They don't concentrate on "will against laws of reality", but underline importance of body for more "spiritual" undertakings. A lot of what happens during qigong practice, including manipulation of qi, is physical phenomenon, with the practice itself being called a "biohack" by a few, where you develop your body in a way that it allows capabilities not purely of spiritual nature. Albeit such developed body does lend itself to similar pursuits as well as physical and spiritual bodies aren't fully separate, but are more like extensions of and affect each other.
There was talk about it in another, now archived thread, with some of the above points repeated/mentioned:
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>>39146332
>you need grounding you need your feet actually touching the dirt
There were folks checking such common assumptions and apparently various masters ateach various things here, so it may matter less than you think. Grounding IS important, but apparently you can just send qi down and below your feet no matter what really is below, be it ground, concrete or a lower floor of a building you're in/on.
Flowing Zen by Korahais is a questionable book and I am unsure how advanced he is (he seems more like a regular practitioner rather than some accomplished master) but he has a section on such common assumptions/beliefs/preconceptions/rules for practice (diet, sexual abstinence, effect of showers etc) which he discusses and verifies - and it's at least worth consideration.

>>39146641
>Anon don't let that other anon gaslight you
Telling him that there's plenty of info on the subject is hardly gaslighting. The fact there's no complete written manual that will handhold you till enlightenment is pretty self-evident.

>>39147438
>This unknown power was what made them divine beings in the first place.
umm actually it was soma/ambrosy/some other drug hiving immortality and youth

39147450
>so butthurt that he replies to 5 different people, nuuuh you all are wrong I'm the only right one [wall of text]
pathetic projecting faggot, no more (you's) for you

>>39147450
Yes, the body is important. Even more so if you want to be able to directly influence materiality, as it (or rather the whole of a human) is the connecting point between the material, the subtle and the spiritual. Recently I came under impression that most, if not nearly all teachings and systems tend to neglect material aspect of reality, or at best use the body or other physical things like ritual paraphernalia only as tools to advance spiritually. However the material aspect is an inherent component of existence and I find it foolish to attempt to oppose one in favor of the other. Obsessive spiritualism is merely an inversion of obsessive materialism and ultimately is the reason why we can't have nice things (fireballs etc). Thanks for the thread too.

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>>39147487
>Recently I came under impression that most, if not nearly all teachings and systems tend to neglect material aspect of reality, or at best use the body or other physical things like ritual paraphernalia only as tools to advance spiritually
Somewhat, yes. Some of it is because of intristic qualities of the tradition - like working with symbols. Especially in western traditions many forget that various paraphernalia don't have inherently (at least in the beginning as their use may change things slightly but that's another topic altogether) any particular qualities beside what the adept attributes them. The sword, the wand, the chalice (or any other item of any tradition) are there both as symbols in the working, with idea that manipulation of them in physical world, with proper attitude makes "waves" and creates similar change in spiritual sphere of existence - and because it's a big help to manipulate such than keep in mind an idea, all it represents and all the qualities it has to have that are important for the ritual while also handling the rest of it.
So here the role of physical aspects is different.

There is some neglect of the body though many practitioners and occult traditions do notice it - and that's why you will find recommendations or outright borrowing of certain techniques/exercises from other practices. It's why so much of western occultism has tidbits of yoga or otherwise recommendations for healthy living and why even some folk traditions recommend various healthy herbal brews and whatnot.
There IS something to pursue of divine with neglect of physical. The attitude, direction of attention can sometimes create spiritual effects, including positive ones, all on its own. That is one of a few reasons why various self-mortifying religious devotees sometimes acquired glimpses of enlightenment or developed various spiritual qualities. However, if one's not into thaumaturgy and with some higher being keeping their back, it may hurt them.

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What is the value of the past? We only exist in the present, and we can only exercise control over the future. Does that not render the path worth less, and regressive?

>>39147207
>Good post.
Veritasium does fantastic work in general. Would recommend.

I think that science is just behind the curve a bit when it comes to this stuff. I can tell you that I've personally experienced the difference that ki control techniques make when doing physically and/or mentally demanding tasks, but I don't have anything scientifically rigorous for you to read/watch on that subject at the moment.