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>>39194051Previous thread >>39124919
Working on my prayer practice. What are your favorite titles for God?
I've had reason to do much thinking about the idea of assurance of salvation this week. I think it's biblical, and I think it's important. When I feel assured of my salvation, I have strength and energy. I feel invincible, and "good fruits" flow forth naturally from my faith. I don't feel burdened or overwhelmed, and when I need rest, I can have it in peace. When I don't feel assured of my salvation, I'm filled with anxiety. I start to have a lower view of Christ and what he accomplished on the cross. My faith weakens, and the gospel begins to distort into just another religion following works-based salvation. I'm crushed under the weight of endless self-doubt and second guessing, ie.>Have I REALLY made Christ the Lord of my life?>Do I REALLY have real, saving faith?>Could I be doing more, even though I feel as if I'm doing all I can?>Is God talking to me, asking something of me, but I'm too evil or spiritually dull to hear it, and as such I'm piling up condemnation upon myself without even realizing it?When I'm like this, all joy and peace dries up and dies. I can never rest. Doing good works becomes its own painful burden, and I fall into self-condemning scrupulosity (I do believe some scrupulosity can help one along in sanctification, but this is not that kind of scrupulosity) over even the smallest things.1/2
>>391950972/2Some say "So you think if you believe in Jesus you can just sin as much as you want?" but this is a caricature and misses the reality. My desire to sin has decreased, not increased. I'm filled with gratitude, and I want to do what is pleasing to the Lord, not what is displeasing. Assurance gives me a sense of safety and security that also lessens the "need" to grasp at sinful pleasures, because I now have a divine pleasure sustaining me.I think some doctrines are invented with the intent to elevate Jesus (such as having to work for one's faith and being able to lose it) but end up having the opposite effect, and I think the results of this can be seen in mass anxiety among Christians and feeling more distant from God (I don't mean to offend my Roman Catholic brothers, but I believe the idea of seeing Mary as an intercessor between them and Christ - whether this is legitimate Church teaching or just a trend among some believers - is one clear symptom of this kind of teaching).Furthermore, I find the viciousness of the constant attacks upon any idea or doctrine of assurance to go beyond mere doctrinal disagreements and human animosity. There seems to be other forces at play who seek to cloud and distort the grace and mercy of our Lord.Sorry for the blogpost, but I felt the need to put the thoughts I woke up with this morning into words.
>>39194934Abba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4pVLsid4g0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYHfsLwR-GI
The painting deciding for itself.
>>39195394Father>>39195110Thank you for sharing brother, in these moments I find it always helps to go back to the core of our faith and our love for God. That is what it all comes down to in the end, everything else is just a consequence.
>>39195097>>39195110Ive decided to be an antinomian after having to fight a dozen psuedochrist spirits. I lack the fear of death and of hell bc I consider that to be a fucking fable the Churches invented to enslave souls.
I like Rob, but his tears are delicious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D31uhpqUCag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1ODqJwomyQ
>>39197711>in these moments I find it always helps to go back to the core of our faith and our love for God. That is what it all comes down to in the end, everything else is just a consequence.I agree. It's what brought me to Christ in the first place.>>39198249You've given me something to think about, I had meant to learn more about the antinomian movements within Christianity. I'm so tired of false Christs, which seem to assault me from every direction.
What are your thoughts on predestination the catholic and calvinist view is pretty depressing for me
>>39201121Gaius Marius Victorinus was the first in the tradition in the Latin West>>39201129>>39201133>>39201138>>39201150>>39201254True
Thoughts on Peter Spink (if anybody knows of him)? Somebody recommended him to me today.
>>39194051Videos on Gnosis, its various types (SPG, UPG & VPG) and Gnosticism:https://youtu.be/0F7knBtLsNs https://youtu.be/260L-DEZVQ0https://youtu.be/diHf_Tup6tE
>>39201115>>39201121>>39201129>>39201133>>39201138>>39201150>>39201254Does Milbank have a book where he goes deeper on this than these tweets?
>>39203259I like how these have been pushed for around a hundred threads now
>>39204279I'm not sure. But if I find such a book of his, I'll share the title on /ceg/.
>>39200966I'm a molinist protestant but if you hate molinism that much then you can look into arminianism. 2bh I think the free will positions are all sort of the same when you dig into them deeply enough. Watch debates on it and they start to get very semantic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO71HpOl_t4
A person close to me is working really hard to transform themselves and purify themselves with prayer, meditation and deep, deep introspection and self-analysis. I am concerned that they wont be able to succeed in reaching the complete cleansing and fixing of their psyche they yearn for, and I have nothing to say to quell their fervor, I sense they will crash upon realizing that they can't wholly fix their fallen nature. Am I right to be worried, or should I trust that God will answer her prayers and she will reach Theosis? Can that happen while living?
>>39205428lol whatchu doin with my girlfriend
>>39205599Dubs.
>>39205599absolutely heretical
>>39194934That is a hard one יהוה , אדני , אלהים, are all beautiful cant chose
>>39205777Holy trips
How can I raise the deadIs there any literature on this specific miracle
>>39207786That has to be allegorical, something like raising those who are depressed beyond all help.
>>39205777peak basedboy spirituality I find it hard to believe this is real
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1407247310292238339.html
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1636474831242686465.html
https://www.americamagazine.org/arts-culture/2021/04/07/michael-martin-sacramental-life-poet-farmer-educator-240364
>>39208998#1 in the hood, g
>>39210000Checked.
>>39208998but wait there's more!
>>39210100I have that same nerf gun, it's pretty fun.
>>39205599>>39205777>>39210000>>39210100Impressive numbers.
>>39205777>>39210000>>39210100how do you keep getting impressive numbers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvdlM9_gK8o
>>39210100On the bottom shelf there's a book called 'Rent a Girlfriend'. W-what is that about?
>>39212179NTA but that's just manga he got for free on e
>>39212179I know exactly what it's about, any further questions should be asked in the thread currently on /a/.
Is Abramelin Christian /ceg/?
Today is St Martin‘s day, in my country children walk around with lanterns, and they replay the scene of St Martin sharing his coat with a beggar todayMy nephew was playing St martin todayIn lutheran regions they celebrate it one day earlier and in honour of Martin Luther instead of Martin of Tours
>>39212201Did not find your thread. /a/ is a very weird placeI won't be going back, sorry
>>39205586Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>>39212212It's most likely written by a Christian yeah
>>39205586>Her>She Don't get involved.
>>39205586You should always trust in God, if it is His will it shall be. Why would you be worried that someone is trying to achieve Theosis? Falling and getting back up is part of human nature, even if she does crash or falter. Only the angels never fall. You can reach theosis while still living, that is how you become a Saint and perform miracles. It is written, ye are gods (lowercase g).
My ancestors didn't have to deal with the type of heretical bs I have to sift through...
>>39195097>assurance of salvationThat's prottie deterministic behaviour.
Hmm, you all seem sort of insane. Anyhow.>>39207786You don't get to decide what your special grace is. Just be assured that, whatever you are naturally good at will be used as the base for the grace; example, you wouldn't expect Francis of Assis to be a scholastic now would you? Furthermore, the miracle of resurrecting the dead was last given to Saint Vincent Ferrer about 400 years ago, so unless you are equal or superior to him in works and faith then I wouldn't except much.
>>39194051So, you can invoke demons in the name of Yhwh adonay Eloim?
>>39214258What you just wrote makes no sense.I assume you mean that aislop cover for the alledged book of saint Cyprian is your main concern.Firstly: that is a pseudoepigraph, ie, a book falsely attributed to someone else who is not the true author, done for prestige the name carries. Since it is an extremely common practice for satanists to attach a saintly name to their schizofrenic ramblings they had while possesed in the pathetic hope that idiots will get baited into reading them out of their VAIN CURIOSITY, which is sinful.Secondly: No, you cannot invoke demons, as that implies you have control over them when any interaction you willingly have with them, whatsoever it may be, makes YOU THEIR BITCH.
Reginald Garrigou-Lagrange on salvation of non-catholics and non-christians
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>>39216004Goes against papal authority tho ~
>>39216008This too contradicts the magisterium.
>>39216962God forbid they translate these books into english
>>39214462>Firstly: that is a pseudoepigraph, ie, a book falsely attributed to someone else who is not the true author, done for prestige the name carries. Since it is an extremely common practice for satanists to attach a saintly name to their schizofrenic ramblings they had while possesed in the pathetic hope that idiots will get baited into reading them out of their VAIN CURIOSITY, which is sinful.This thread when Saint cyrpian: >:(This thread when Pseudo dionysis: :O
>>39217878There are a lot of people not actually prepared to think beyond whatever the biggest authority has told them. Approval by the "correct" people is what matters.
>>39216968what do you do with that sword? what use does it have in your practice?
>>39217878The smileys made me actually chuckle
>>39217878Pseudo Dionysus was approved by the Pope, and his nine angelic choirs are canon. The grimoire of cyprian wasn't.Simple as, lad
>>39214258>>39214462"May the Holy Name of the Supreme Creator be forever exalted. To You, exalted Adonay, I direct my prayers, humbly asking You to be favorable to me and send one of Your humble messengers, so that through their mediation, I may achieve what I respectfully seek. Do not see pride or skepticism in me; see me as the smallest of beings, prostrated before the Divine Majesty of my God and Creator. I ask sincerely to glimpse a spark of Your immaculate glory through Your spiritual messengers."May my prayers also reach the superior celestial spirits, that they may intercede for me before the Most High, Sovereign Creator of all. Through the intercession of the angels of light, Eloim and Jehovam, may my request be granted."I have strived for perfection in the human condition, hoping to be judged worthy of Your glory. Forgive my remaining flaws, and do not let them cause Your anger. I invoke You again, mighty Adonay, Eloim, and Jehovam, asking that my desire be fulfilled, with the stars as witnesses."Let Your radiant light come through the glorious messenger, and grant me the gifts of wisdom, honor, and glory. Purified from the impurities of the flesh, may I contemplate You in all Your Majesty and glory. May this humble plea be accepted, and I will forever offer You sincere worship and homage."
>>39219110>Only what the pope says it's trueLol, he does not even talk for all christianity
>>39219340He talks for all of Christianity because outside the Catholic Church there is no church obviously, as you can read here>>39216490>>39216498I should say however, that there is no Pope since 1958, which means that by heavenly reflection (..thy Will be done, on Earth as it is in Heaven..) God has suffered occultation and is now being replaced by a fake 'pan-christian' god which admits all fake christianities, heresies of every kind and even pagan beliefs as can be seen from the abominable Assisi event during the anti-pontificate of the polish whore, all the way to the present with the latest anti Christian preaching of the argentinian false prophet.Since God is occulted this means that the body of the true faithful has also been made invisible. So I do not expect to be heard even.
Yep, it's officially over for all Catholic bros, he's pro-troon. There is no way whatsoever to spin or twist this positively through any mental gymnastics. Time to begome orbodox :DDD>https://www.lifesitenews.com/analysis/pope-francis-welcomes-transgender-activist-hermit-brother-christian-matson-at-vatican-audience/?utm_source=telegramcath
>>39219790You have never interacted with a popesplainer before it seems. Bergoglio has in multiple occasions said that it is illicit to convince another person of the faith, has allowed the blessing of homosexual concubinage, has concluded ratzinger's attack on the traditional Latin Mass, has attended and constantly encouraged others to go to inter-religious services, has prayed with and has received the "blessing" of pagans, of Buddhists, of Voodoo practitioners, of indigenous Americans, of demon worshipers, has placed the actual and literal statue of molek in the Vatican, has paraded pachamama idols through St Peters square, of doctrine he has contradicted every single possible statement in the magisterium, and has literally gone against the explicit words of the Gospel, has insulted Martyrs and their sacrifices, he is totally subservient to agenda 2030, all his encyclicals mention climate change and refugees more times than they mention God, he has made up false sins which are just anthropocentric to the extreme, he has promoted and bailed out notorious abusers an actively promotes them to positions of power just like his predecessors, you just know he absolutely is part of the satanic caval in some way, especially seen as how he blows money on vanity trips while they can't pay f****** janitors to clean the Vatican, he has a swindled money, dioceses are closing left and right, he has allowed his prelates to STEAL FROM THE VATICAN MUSEUM... I could literally go on I know on and on but you get the point.AND YET THE POPESPLAINERS BELIEVE THAT HE IS ACTUALLY """trad""" AND """red pilled""" BECAUSE "he said 'fags' that one time".. Also orthoDOGs are in communion with him and apostate Rome mind you. NOT ONLY THEM, BUT ALSO THE PROTESTANTS...!
the time of calvinism exotericism general is overnow is the time for catholic ecclesiastical-posturing general(there's a hyphen so no new acronym)
>>39195110"The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." (John 1:29)Jesus took away the sin of the world.It is finished.There's your assurance that you will resurrect and live without sorrow on the New Earth."Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life." ( Romans 5:18 )"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." (1 John 2:2 )
>>39195110Did Jesus die for you?"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." ( 2 Corinthians 5:19 )Yes. He died for the world.And he raised you up with him in his resurrection. As the New Adam.You are saved.
>>39218229It's just a neat pic I found online. It's not mine.
>>39216490>>39216498I think making an act of contrition and seeking God as good as you can with the knowledge and possibilities you have count as baptism by desireMany people genuinely have no opportunity to join the church in their life and God doesn‘t expect humans to do something that is impossible for themAnd to deny that salvation is in theory possible for non-catholics is condemned as heresy look up Feeneyism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf3ytOemnfk
>>39221835Let's assume for a moment that Feeneyism is heretical, well if a person can absolutely perfectly go to heaven without even hearing the name of Jesus, then that means you can just ignore the command of evangelizing every nation because there be no necessity, they going to get Heaven anyway. And actually, to tell them could jeopardize their salvation because it certainly would be a lot easier for them to do what their accustomed to. And so the meme of: >If I didn't know about Jesus would I have gone to hell? >No not if you didn't know >So why did you tell me?Becomes a reality.
>>39222856>then that means you can just ignore the command of evangelizing every nation because there be no necessity,There is no "necessity" to shower but it's a good idea anyway. A lot of the problems in Christianity are tied to very silly proclamations and orthodoxies that never made any sense.
>>39222856> Let's assume for a moment that Feeneyism is hereticalBut it is an official heresy> then that means you can just ignore the command of evangelizing every nation because there be no necessity, they going to get Heaven anyway. It‘s still easier to get to heaven as a catholic, a muslim can blaspheme the trinity, pagan religions often go against natural law etc they are saved despite not because of following their wrong religionStill God can have mercy on whomever he wants toHow would a person who never had the chance to become catholic going to hell because of it work with God being just?
>>39223644>But it is an official heresyShow me the papal ex cathedra document explicitly saying that what I am saying is incorrect. Because I showed how the pope explicitly says that you cannot get heaven no matter how many good deeds you do, if you do not come to the true faith before death.>How would a person who never had the chance to become catholic going to hell because of it work with God being just?If a person was deserving of salvation they would either by angels or apostles be baptized, St Thomas says so in de veritate, 14, A. 11 ad 1. also in Sent. II, 28, Q. 1, A. 4,ad 4. And in Sent. III, 25, Q. 2, A. 2, solute. 2. Then, about those pagan religions, you cannot find salvation while in them because following them is going against Jesus "if you're not with me you are against me" He says. Thus we can certainly say with famous 16th century Dominican theologian, fr. Francisco de Vitoria O.P.>When we postulate invincible ignorance on the subject of baptism or of the Christian faith, it does not follow that a person can be saved without baptism or the Christian faith. For the aborigines to whom no preaching of the faith or Christian religion has come will be damned for mortal sins or for idolatry, but not for the sin of unbelief.I will make a concession in regards to their possible reservation of the just men in the limbo of the patriarchs, as we do not know if such Limbo was completely dismantled after the harrowing of hell. I would point to how Eastern religions mention a judge of hell called Yama, which seems to come from the Iranian Yima, whose story makes it clear he was taken from the biblical Noah. As such I believe it is possible to say that the people who are just under the natural law are therefore reserved in the bossom of Noah in the same way that those Hebrews who were just under the law of Moses were reserved in the bossom of Abraham; they might be spared hell but they are not granted heaven.
>>39223080Bruh...The preaching of the gospel is the one final command Jesus gives to his disciples, to teach EVERY NATION, EVERY PEOPLE, EVERY TOUNGE. It is so absolutely fundamental it is that the completition of this mission IS NECESSARY FOR THE END TIMES to begin. The Last Judgement is part of the Creed because expectation of the end is what differantiates christian eschathology from pagan eschathology (linear time vs ciclical time). As such, for the finality of the christian religion to come forth, the gospel has to be preached, so we can confidently say IT IS necessary.
>>39224008That sounds like a lot of very interesting and elaborate church doctrine built on, as said earlier, silly proclamations and orthodoxies that never made any sense.
>>39224117If the apostolic creed and the great commission are "silly proclamation and orthodoxies that never made any sense", then you cannot call yourself christian.
>>39224008"If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" ( Colossians 1:23 )
>>39224171What are you saying? That the gospel was already preached in the times if Paul?That opens another problem..
>>39224158Yes, actually, I can. The Creeds, in capital letters, are traditions based on earlier conceptions which may or may not he accurate. Your interpretation of what "the Gospel" is, how it is "preached," who does and does not have access to it, and the resultant consequences are all quite a bit later than you'd think. There were many followers of Jesus who existed before these things you think are foundational even developed.>>39224260He means you have a system built on assumptions about what certain words must mean and what can and cannot be true that is less coherent than you think.
>>39224306>may or may not he accurateAh so accordingly, Jesus then failed his mission? >built on assumptionsAh so silly Jesus, a mere human then who clearly didn't teach properly if his students assumed things which he didn't thought them..
>>39224260Yes, I am saying that. Jesus already returned.
>>39224360>Ah so accordingly, Jesus then failed his mission?Nope, but many people put many words into his mouth.>if his students assumed things which he didn't thought themYes, this happens to literally every single teacher, and Jesus was individually on top of this intentionally vague (this is acknowledged even in canonical Mark). We have even in Paul's letters evidence of disagreement in the very earliest churches, and of course this gets even worse as time goes on. Catholics and Orthodox alike tend to back-project a kind of unity of opinion onto the early church that it simply did not have, and very basic ideas you and I take for granted were very much still up in the air in the aftermath of Jesus' death.
>>39224400>Jesus already returned.>>39224405>YesThe day fast approaches were heretics like you shall burn first at the stake and then the fires of Gehenna.
>>39223874Pic rel is from the catechism>If a person was deserving of salvation they would either by angels or apostles be baptized, St Thomas says so in de veritate, 14, A. 11 ad 1. also in Sent. II, 28, Q. 1, A. 4,ad 4. And in Sent. III, 25, Q. 2, A. 2, solute. 2.Even Saints like Aquinas aren‘t infallible similiar like the church doesn‘t believe unbaptized babies and catechumens who die go to hell anymore like Saint Augustin did
>>39223874Here from the letter condeming Feeneyism by the Holy Office
>>39224856Okay, man. Any day now, surely, the axe is already at the foot of the tree etc.
>>39224988Unbaptized babies do not go to heaven brother, they go to the limbo of the infants.>PicHow curious, FROM WHEN is that catechism from?>>39224997That's fascinating, can you tell me WHO exactly wrote that?
