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>What is goju?
Goju aka Gōjū-ryū (剛柔流) (or hard and soft style) is a modern martial art originating on the island of Okinawa in the 1930s by a man named Chojun Miyagi (the real life inspiration for Mr.Miyagi in the karate kid film series). It is much more modern and refined compared to traditional martial arts such as boxing and brazilian jiujitsu

>What does hard and soft style mean?
Hard and soft style means goju could be considered the original mixed martial art! It was created on the Island of okinawa which was at the center of trade in east asia. It combines striking techniques found from china and thailand with the indigenous okinawan wrestling techniques to create a truly complete fighting art
https://youtu.be/5kv8HkGWo2Q

>What is the purpose of Goju?
the purpose of goju has always been for personal self defense as well as building a hardy and fit body through rigorous daily training and conditioning

>I've heard it's related to Kyokushin?
That's correct. Mas Oyama was a 7th degree black belt in Goju, however he wanted his students to compete in competitions therefore he had to strip away some of the more dangerous techniques found in Goju to create Kyokushin which by comparison is much safer to use in a sport setting. Similar to how Kano needed to modify battlefield jujitsu into judo.

>What is sparring like?
Sparring in goju is done with full contact and intensity, however for safety reasons Some of the more dangerous techniques are generally left out of sparring so as to not permanently injure other students
examples of striking and grappling training can be seen here
https://youtu.be/vvJo4B50TVI
https://youtu.be/TsBsyCLBTUg
https://youtu.be/dK__ILvQ20w
https://youtu.be/NBrWIfIbX-A

>Sounds great! how can I learn it??
Goju is not very wide spread outside of Okinawa, because its so modern and exclusive, but it does exist in other parts of the world as well
if you cannot find it near you, you can get started with this
https://youtu.be/_RmCzJ0m1Xs

more like /fag/

Those are some awful fucking takes
A coaches ability as a teacher has zero to do with his fitness level or competition experience, unless you're some kind of idiot that thinks most head coaches on sports teams are former players

Worse yet is the "conditioning is part of training" shit, that's completely the opposite of the truth
No serious athlete does skill work and conditioning work at the same time and certainly don't have the same coach in charge of programming for both
They're different disciplines
If you're finding yourself going to bjj class or whatever and the teacher has you doing bear crawls and running laps, you're the one that's in the bad school

>>185681
>A coaches ability as a teacher has zero to do with his fitness level or competition experience, unless you're some kind of idiot that thinks most head coaches on sports teams are former players
Lot of idiots don't understand this. It's a whole different skillset. There are many former players/fighters who thought they could coach & it turned out they were very fucking wrong. Most don't even have the right mindset & completely lack the patience or interest. Most are just trying to vicariously relive their glory days through their students & haven't even taken the most basic classes on coaching.

>>185997
That Muslim that rides GSPs coattails has a lot of shit takes but he's right on this account where the better someone is as an athlete the worse they usually are as a teacher generally speaking

John Danaher for example got into jiuiitsu later in life and has a physical disability. He never had the potential to be a great competitor even if he had the inclination
In order for him to participate in the sport he had to really learn it from an intellectual stand point
Contrast that with Nicky rod who legitimately has a learning disability, no technique to speak of, but he's just a stud that can go ungabunga me smash puny opponent
And can't explain for shit how he actually does it if he can even manage to get a coherent sentence out without stumbling over his words

Being less athletic necessitates having a stronger understanding of how techniques work even if they can't physically pull it off themselves

>>186059
Makes sense. Majority of coaches in any sport aren't guys who excelled at the game or even played at all, it's the dudes who have learned how to teach. Most college/pro coaches are kinesiologists. Body nerds who learned how to be athletic trainers, sport psychologists, shit like that

>>186093
Those guys might be nerds but they're never the soft bullshido mcdojo senseis who always think they're living weapons while looking like the Michelin man

>>186387
>coach's ability has nothing to do with his fitness level
>mcdojo sensei bad because fat
so which is it?

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Reminder that no martial art is better than a well placed pipe bomb.

>>185660
How do I call out a tranny who beats up women to a fight!

The next gen of TMA instructors would be super autistic about "real fighting"?

>>188016
To beat the tranny, you must become the tranny. Enter the dojo and declare publicly that you "identify" as a real woman, then proclaim:
>anon is my deadname, I am now anonette
>my pronouns are "yes, ma'am"
>troon, I am twice the woman you are and I'll kick your ass to prove it!
If s/he refuses to fight you, accuse he/r of trannyphobia

So something i recognised in my local gym... its a hobbyist gym btw

90% of the wrestling look like alpha males
90% of the judo and BJJ classes are weak geeky looking people and women

I thought this was a meme but it looks to be true
lmao why is this?

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>>187959
based /asp/ dinosaur

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>>188186
because a wrestling hierarchy is based on ability and achievements, and the other hierarchy is based on how long you've been doing it for

>>185681
>No serious athlete does skill work and conditioning work at the same time and certainly don't have the same coach in charge of programming for both
Do peoper gyms typically have at least 2 separate coaches then?

>>187173
Lack of correlation doesn't mean there's an inverse correlation instead

>>188262
it's the same as anything, you're going to have different people in charge of your nutrition, your workout programming, your injury rehab, skill training
it's a team effort to get across the finish line, it's why industry standard says you pay 20% of your purse to your corner

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/25493686/mma-news-magomedov-zainalov-fall-building-broken-legs/
https://english.pravda.ru/news/society/158768-mma_fighter_venom_cat/

This MMA fighter fell 10 stories onto a car and "only" got (pretty badly) broken legs and pelvis.
In the video he's even fully conscious, sitting on the ground shortly after the fact.

>>188376
I know a guy that fell off the roof of a brownstone in brooklyn and broke basically everything but recovered
I believe it was an attempted murder, he didn't remember anything and the two people up there with him said "yeah well like we were hanging out on the roof and looked away for a second and when we turned back around he was just like gone ya know"

>>188186
Wrestling is a sport and sports by the nature of it demands top specimens

>>185660
I've been doing muay thai classes for about two in half months, and honestly I'm not sure if martial arts are for me or not, which sucks because I want to be strong and I'd like to have some kind of achievements in my life. It's just that nobody really ever talks to each other, it's a pretty popular gym with 4 other locations I think so maybe the coaches don't have time but it sort of feels like they don't care neither, that and they have these really thick Brazilian accents so hearing them is kinda hard.
But idk I get pretty bad anxiety before classes and I know it sounds silly but I also don't like how everybody's an old guy, I'm 19 so I guess it just feels weird hanging around 30 years olds.
I guess I also feel out of place too, I mean I'm a pudgy nerd who still watches cartoons and I'm hanging around a lot of "macho" tattooed guys who mean business, I barely have athletic experience and I quit those too. Maybe being an athlete isn't for me but I am willing to try one or two other places out it's just that the place I go to now is actually pretty legit so it might be hard finding another legit place with amateur fighters buuut idk... I just really hate quitting things and letting myself down

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>>189297
>I just really hate quitting things and letting myself down
Then don't quit, dingus. You're talking yourself out of doing something that you want to do with bullshit woe-is-me excuses. Stick with it. Be disciplined.
Here's a secret: most martial arts training partners aren't going to be conversational or even particularly friendly with you until you've been there for at least 6 months. You know why? Because 90% of people do what you're doing right now and quit before they even begin, and it's not worth bothering to even learn their name. Set yourself apart, do what you know you should be doing and earn some respect. You're young and you will kick yourself forever if you quit now. I promise that you'll make some friends within a year if you take your training seriously and put forth some effort.

>>189297
>It's just that nobody really ever talks to each other
You're not really supposed to talk during class. Stick it out and find a different outlet for your social butterfly tendencies. Your training partners will probably warm up to you a bit if you show you can put in consistent hard work without being a fruitcake.

>>188186
>why is this?

>wrestling class
Ex-wrestlers and competitive no-gi guys looking to improve their takedown game

>judo/BJJ class
Adult beginners.

>>189337
>you're not really supposed to talk during class
>you're not really supposed to talk at the gym
>you're not really supposed to talk during work
>you're not really supposed to talk in libraries
I see these everywhere. Where the fuck are you niggers ok with people talking? And why shouldn't you talk with the people on the class? People taking martial arts too seriously is part of the reason MA gyms are so cancerous. Unless you're a professional fighter (which aalmosy nobody is) you're there to have fun, one way or another. Why.have a stick up your ass?

I was rolling at bjj with a new white belt. he was a bit spazzy but I passed his guard and subbed him in under a minute in a controlled way. he started swearing, got up and ran off the mats. my coach was really patient with him but I think if you can't control your emotions in a combat sport you shouldn't be training.

>>190913
I've felt like storming off training before, although it was always when people got way too rough for no reason. Once was when a bjj blue belt took me (a white belt at the time) and over the course of a roll bruised my trachea with windpipe chokes, almost dislocated both of my shoulders and did something I still don't understand to sprain the muscles on my foot. The other time was in a boxing class when I, again as a beginner, was beaten up by a much more experienced dude that left me with cuts, a black eye and broken nose from what was supposed to be light sparring.

>>190913
That’s pretty fucking autistic for someone to do but part of learning a combat sport is learning to suppress your ego. I’d give him another chance. If he acts like a retard again just don’t roll with him anymore. As you get older you will learn to become more and more selective with your sparring partners.

>>189337
>I am a colossal faggot who is not even amateur ranked who takes himself way too seriously
FTFY, faggots like you are why martial arts is still a niche sport that conjures mental images of autistic weebs.

>>190900
Socialize before and after class, don't waste instruction time. We talk in the locker room and often go out to restaurants after class but actual limited, scheduled, and paid-for class time is focused on training.

>>191044
See >>191040
It's autistic to not read the vibes in the room and mesh with the existing social expectations. Same exact dynamic at regular sports practices growing up, even in elementary school--training time is for training, socialize with your teammates before and after.

>>187959
What's with russians and stealth explosives?

>>185660
>Physical conditioning part of training
why would ANYONE want or advise to do PUSHUPS during gym time when you could be SPARRING or learning TECHNIQUE
the idea that you need a black belt bjj sambo sensei to tell you to do 15 pushups and 5 squats is fucking RIDICULOUS

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>>191044
Obviously you shouldn't go around during class when you're supposed to be doing something, but I often see people get pissed at others even when there's nothing to do, like when you're resting after a spar or roll. Back when I used to play American Football for a varsety team so dude I didn't know and I started vibing to the music that was playing while we waited for our turn on the field during a game, as we were both defense and it was the offense team playing at the moment. One of you no fun allowed faggots (that also wasn't doing anything) felt the need to stomp down to where we were dancing and demand we stop because we needed to act professionally at the (amateur) game or some shit like that. As long as it's not disruptive I don't see why be this autistic about where people should or shouldn't socialize.

>>191633
goodbye ATFL

>>191079
>I often see people get pissed at others even when there's nothing to do, like when you're resting after a spar or roll
Raising the noise levels for non-coaching communication makes it harder to coach and it makes it harder for some people to focus. Just because *you* haven't thought up something to do doesn't mean that it's okay to disrupt everyone else paying to train in the room.
>As long as it's not disruptive
There are plenty of opportunities to do get riled up with the team but erratic movement on the sidelines is absolutely disruptive and if you get too caught up in being a fucktard and take half a step onto the field during a play you'll penalize your whole team.

You sound like the kind of swarthy smoothbrain faggot who talks in the movie theater and blasts music on a bluetooth speaker in public spaces.

>>191679
>Raising the noise levels for non-coaching communication makes it harder to coach and it makes it harder for some people to focus
Anon, I think the songs blasting through the PA have a much greater impact on that.

>>188262

Generally commercial classes last 1 or 2 hours, 3 to 6 days a week, spending half of that time doing physical exercises is a waste of time and trainers do this to rest. It's different from a fighter who has much more time for this.

If you are paying to learn how to fight, then you should fight.

I wanted to train in judo but all the clubs here are for kids or people that trained since kids and are competing, and none for adult beginners.
My next choice is BJJ, hopefully a place that incorporates stand-up game, but I'd still prefer to train something that includes bit of everything, I guess like MMA, but those groups are filled with retards so not sure. I just want to train and have fun and not lose brain matter or be a punching bag for some fuck.

>>193061
>people that trained since kids and are competing
Why can't you train here? Sounds like a fantastic place to start unless they explicitly told you that you weren't welcome.

>>190900
>>191040
Jesus Christ you must be stupid as fuck. People don't go to martial arts to gossip and talk about the weather like NPC women. they go to let off steam, learn to be more dangerous and that's about it.

At most you'll get a "nice" "good job" or some advice from a training partner / coach. You don't go there to chit chat about anime. Maybe briefly in the changing room once you're established

>>191077
Because conditioning will open your eyes to reality. I thought I was a tough fit guy but mostly everyone at my boxing gym had better cardio than me. I hated the fact that coach made us do sprints, Burpees etc but it also made me realise how much more cardio I needed to do on my off days. It also shows the coach where you are physically

>>191079
>Thinks he's effeminate autism dancing is good for a high test sport situation instead of being respectful to his team mates

And this is why you will always be a loser

>>193075
Not allowed I mean, it's just for people competing. I did end up finding one club that does work with adults but oh god it looks like dojo from 90s that never got renovated or anything upgraded, run down a bit and not sure about instructors... idk

out of curiosity why does this board seem to be infested with femdom fetish bjj manlets?

>>193170
>it looks like dojo from 90s that never got renovated or anything upgraded, run down a bit
Some of the better places are like that, might be worth looking into the instructors.

>>193174
bjj/mma niggersports "people" are all that is left of martial arts in the west. fuck this gay earth.

>>193174
>why are there weirdo degenerates on 4chan?
There are more porn boards than martial arts and fitness boards on this website.

>>194033
I hope justin is ok, this fight was a career shortener

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>>194034
He's taken a lot of damage in his past few fights even in the fights he won. At 35 I don't think he has much left in the tank.

>>194033

That was legit one of the best moments in the last decade of ufc. Absolutely dominant display from Holloway.

Hope Justin makes a decent recovery, there was a fuck load of damage through that fight.

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Hey guys. I'm in a bit of a rabbit hole trying to figure out exactly where modern kicking technique originated. I'm talking about side kicks and roundhouse kicks as seen in Taekwondo and Karate. My method is to trace the lineage of Taekwondo back to see where it started.

Apparently, Taekwondo was created in the 40s as a mix between Taekkyon and Shotokan karate, with the kicking techniques taken from Shotokan. Sure enough, basic Shotokan kicks look similar to TKD. Shotokan comes from Okinawan family styles and here things get blurry. The founder of Shotokan had learned karate described as "Shorin ryu". "Shorin ryu" as you can tell is a Japanification of "Shaolin" ryu, and apparently Okinawan martial arts are based on Northern Chinese martial arts rather than Southern.

Typically, Northern CMA systems have techniques with extended arms and legs, you know like typical punches and kicks whereas Southern CMA does not. Then again Bajiquan is Northern and it's about short range strikes so not really true... Anyway. A prevalent form of Wushu is called Changquan meaning "long fist". It's popular today but has old roots. Changquan has some sweeps and side kicks but I can't discount the possibility that these come from the modernization of Wushu as aesthetic sports. Looking at traditional Chaquan videos, the kicks are more straight legged and front facing and not really like a TKD kick. Surprising fact, Chaquan comes from a Turkic Islamic tribe in China.

So what then? Do modern kicks originate from another Northern style? Or are they a modern Okinawan invention? Really appreciate any help on the matter.

>>194227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23ARJNmZ00w

>>194227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQUh5tVWd-E

I guess I don't really believe people are paying to get punched in the face by shirtless men glistening with sweat. The current theory is god makes football and wrestling and boxing. They're not real. God is at least 100 million years old. He can still speak English and hasn't gone totally insane. Well, he's pure evil. He actually made evil. That was a dick move. You can expect to blame your genes for your problems.

>>194265
Really interesting video though I'm surprised the video is focused on Southern styles where that's the opposite of what I found. Still if the forms are the same then there's undeniably lineage there whether that be the Southern styles influenced Okinawan arts or they have a common progenitor.

>>194267
Bruhhh nahhhh the FRENcH?? Well and here I am trying to convince my French friend why Savate is the most autistic combat sport, I mean none of them can kick properly and you have to chamber your kicks in an exaggerated way according to the rules... But I guess the Japanese further developed the kicking techniques... But man, martial arts are thousands of years old and we learned how to actually kick properly in what, the last 100 years? That doesn't seem right.

>>190900
People learn very well when they're engaged in play. A lot of gyms don't seem to understand that just fucking around has some merit. There need to be levels of engagement to actually train you to meet opposition. Just locking in one technique over and over on weaker players doesn't make high level guys good either.
You can be a free spirit, just don't interfere with people trying to learn. Be willing to take punishment. Spend more time working new game that is most likely losing, rather than dominating. You'll progress in a way that makes other players seem like they're standing still. Then just sneak your convos in like jabs until people are willing to talk to your aspie ass.

Why watch heem when ninjas exist?
https://youtu.be/6CSDrHPr_GE
https://youtu.be/Fsps-U0isUg
https://youtu.be/yROhVwjJl7I

>>185660
I know this is a bait or meme question, but what martial arts would you recommend for someone with a little prior experience in boxing and muay thai? I considered picking them up again but I want to be well rounded

>>194267
the reason this is funny is it basically makes the accusation that everything bad about karate is french in origin
light contact point sparring, big group kata performances, impractical flashy kicks
remove all the french influence and you're left with something just fine

>>194337
>tree climbing claws and grappling hooks
sick as shit, I'm sold.

>>194347
wrong post, meant for >>194330

>>194340
Fair point. However, if proper roundhouse and side kicks really came from France I'll give them credit but again, thousands of years of martial arts and we only figured out kicks in the last 100 years? Really?

>>194364
but it's not the proper kicks even, its the ones that use your foot instead of the shin or heel

>>194385
That's how it's taught in TKD perhaps but really changing what part of the foot you strike with is easy - the kicks are still there. I am hesitant to fully accept the Savate origin but I guess the answer will become more clear.

>>194227
From various sources, modern karate & kenpo (basically from 1879 when the Ryukyus was formally annexed into Japan to present day) utilized kicks that didn't go above the waist. This is mainly because of the Fujian influence that many Okinawan fighting styles stemmed from like White Crane for instance. The use of attacking with legs mainly consisted of tripping and sweeping as well as stomping (again Chinese influence) feet, kneecaps ankles, and shins. And of course there's the Tan Tui influence for the Okinawan toe kick that schools like Uechi ryu, Matsubayashi ryu, Kishiba Juku, Matsumura Seito have.

Round kicks to the legs, body, and head/neck started to proliferate more in the early 20th century. This is mainly due to changes in stances when adapting karate to Japan as well as adapting from foreign influences. The son of Gichin Funakoshi, Gigo advocated more higher round kicks like roundhouse to the head, front kicks, side kicks. etc. This is speculated from Gigo's visit to northern China (which has more usage of above-the-waist kicks than southern styles).

I've heard of this theory before >>194267. It might be possible because the Japanese military did take a lot of influence of Second Empire France (though they later emulated the Prussian model after France's defeat in 1871). But savate kicks were done with shoes; makes me wonder if any karate/kenpo pioneers experimented kicks wearing footwear. The South Korean military practices Tae Kwon Do & Tang Soo Do wearing combat boots in their training.

And of course there's the enigma of gedan mawaishi geri (low roundhouse kick). There's a long history of Okinawan trading contacts with Southeast Asia (Siam in particular). There's old pictures (before WW2) of Okinawans kicking to the legs with what appears to be either the shin or the calf though some might be construed as particularly forceful sweeps. What is known is that by the 1950's and 1960's, the Thai shin kick (no chambering) was widely adapted.

>>194504
Really a sweep and a kick are on a spectrum of the same thing
Just a matter of where you release it
Even in judo a lot of ashi waza is kicking when applied

Is there anything I can learn to defend myself if I'm a weak anemicnperson who struggles to put on weight or eat enough in the day
It bothers me. I wish I could have the confidence to go out more.

>>194530
I'm not gonna give you some false sense of security like the grifters will
Martial arts aren't magic, they're an expression of physical constraints

But through daily practices you can become aware of your precise capabilities, improve your odds, and get stronger than you were before

>>194530
Do you live in a dangerous place?
If you have any street smarts, it's pretty easy to avoid danger and physical confrontation. Don't obsess over protecting yourself if you have a physical disadvantage. You will be fine

>>194533
I like to try to be physically active and I just generally like being outside but I'm in a rough area and I go through rough places. I just don't make eye contact and try to be back home at sundown.
>>194532
Yeah I know. Its not magic. But it'd be nice if I had actual options if I was cornered by the average unarmed or knifed thug aside from trying to do some Marty mcfly shit or hoping i can hit them in the balls and running away(which they'll probably be able to catch up to me anyway)

I'm probably just spending too much time thinking about what ifs. There has been a lot of violent crime and homeless here lately. It bothers me how helpless and defective I am.

>>194337
How well rounded do you want to be?

Even meme martial arts that people normally wouldn't recommend as your base art have value as a supplementary art for niche things. If you want to be completely well-rounded, you could pick up like 10 more martial arts and still have stuff you could work on.

>>194534
I'm going to be brutally honest, you better have good situation awareness and know how to carry yourself. Exercise good judgment, don't act anxious, and ALWAYS keep your guard up. Maintain eye contact, don't shy away, keep your head up, hands out of your pockets and don't let people violate your personal space because that's a recipe for disaster.

I grew up in a very rough area and I had to fight at age 10. I got my ass kicked and even got in a serious scrape where I had to run 2 blocks and hid in a dumpster because I was getting jumped by 3 guys. I was able to fight off 2, but the 3rd guy just overwhelmed so I had to bail.

How tall are you and how much do you weigh? What's your budget? How much free time do you have? I'm not going to advocate groundfighting because that is the LAST place you want to be in a street fight. Keep the fight standing if you have no choice but I'm stressing that YOU DO NOT FIGHT. Fighting is the last resort because as a kid, I learned 2 important lessons: There are no fucking rules and people attack in groups.

But if you have no choice and can't retreat safely, you better know how to hit hard and fast. Focus on the most dangerous opponent but NEVER EVER turn your back on the other guys.I made that mistake and got a bottle smashed over my head (had to get stitches). I'm thankful I didn't get glass in my eyes.

I took up boxing and judo because it's the cheapest and practically every place in the world has these 2 schools. Boxing will teach you excellent distance gauging, cardio, how to take a punch (especially body shots), head movement, defense, footwork, and you'll know how to fight dirty like blocking with elbows. Don't ever punch to the head without your fists taped up and in gloves. You'll break your hand that way. Open-palm hits if you have to strike or elbows.

Judo will condition the fuck out of you. You'll know how to be thrown as well as do the tossing yourself. Plus some submissions and scrambling on the ground.

>>194539
Thank you for your advice.
>height weight
5'10 120 pounds

>>194540
I'm 5'11 and 175 pounds. You really are underweight. If anything, I recommend bulking with protein and lifting. You need at least another 15-20 pounds of muscle on you man.

Like I said before man, you can't act like a bitch in public. You gotta keep a cool head because you will be sized up as prey. Don't fake being aggressive and macho, you gotta be shy like a tiger. Always ready for shit to go down and you have to respond with overwhelming force and brutality, but exercise a good sense of whether to fight or flight. If you can escape, DO IT. He who flees lives to fight another day.

And don't do stupid shit like buying a weapon and thinking that's gonna help. I knew a guy that had knives on him. He wasn't psychologically prepared to cut someone and the knife got taken away and used against him (he managed to survive without serious injury thankfully).

These are the martial arts I recommend:

- Boxing
- Muay Thai
- Judo or Sambo or Wrestling (Collegiate, Greco-Roman, or Freestyle)

There's other styles, but the ones I listed will force you to develop memory muscle and toughen up your body from constant practice. You can't bullshit your way out of those styles without partner drills and sparring/rolling.

Do you live in the area for university? Or is it because you have no choice? If you can, just try and have active street smarts and wait it out until you escape. You're going to obsess over stuff that you have no control over if or when it happens.

>>194541
I have actual problems with digesting food and keeping it down. And my knees have been shot since I turned 20.
This is just the area I live in. I grew up here but its gotten worse and worse.
I'll look into a boxing gym this near.
I've thought about a weapon but I wouldn't know what to buy. I don't know if I'm prepared or not now that you mention it. I don't know how you'd be sure you're prepared until it happens

>>194543
Are you actually allowed to carry?

Clinch pick, pom OC, and m&p shield are the EDC loadout then practice practice practice

But practicing hand to hand fighting is important too because everybody has a little bitch in them and you need to get rid of that guy
You know about fight or flight but people neglect to mention the 3rd option which is freeze, and that's what most people default to

It's called stress inoculation
The only way to be sure you'll react calmly and rationally during stress is to experience similar stress and get used to it
That doesn't mean you'll be down to fight everyone but you'll know that if it comes down to it you've been there before against guys way tougher than him

>>185660
TKD guy just coming to the realization that my martial art has been co opted by olympics fags and normies. It hurts. It really does.

I never really got the massive shitting on TKD got from the martial arts community because my Dojang was always about sparring. Sure we did forms and some fancy sports shit here and there but it never dominated it. Every sparring class is now dominated by these front foot pussy techniques made to score imaginary points rather than do damage. The martial art is dead because the money is in the sport. I'd rather do forms for 10 hours a day than hear about fucking cancelling and clinching ever again. The sport looks so goddamn sad. Do not get me started on KPNP systems or how tournaments are run. I would have a heart attack.

so what's the deal with JKD? you see places teaching it, but is it actually something that was ever formally taught by bruce or is it literally just people that read a book which anybody could buy and then declared themselves experts qualified to teach it as a style?

>>194900
Pretty much everyone who's not Dan Inosanto and claiming JKD or Jun Fan is full of shit.

>>194903
and then the current edition of the book has this

The science and philosophy behind the fighting system Lee pioneered himself—jeet kune do—is explained in detail, depicted through hundreds of Lee’s own illustrations. *With the collaboration of Lee’s daughter, Shannon, and Bruce Lee Enterprises, this new edition is expanded, updated, and remastered, covering topics such as Zen and enlightenment, kicking, striking, grappling, and footwork.*

so what happened, MMA became popular so people decided to go into his book and change it to reflect the times? that's retarded

>>194887
the purpose of this organization was to give sport karate practitioners a full contact venue, and now they're just putting non-karate practitioners in the ring. It's really dumb, basically just turning it into kickboxing if anybody is allowed to join up

>>194905
>Shannon

That's what happened. The Lee women are experts at wringing money from the corpses of their men and the legends around them. They have no income without it, and have no desire to change their lifestyle if it goes away. What he was or wasn't studying really doesn't matter if they think they can sell it.

I like judo, and I like striking (trained kickboxing) but I also like BJJ for the ground game, should I just do MMA training instead of focusing on one at a time?

>>195080
Depends on what you like about each. Doing judo/BJJ/MT will be a different experience than doing MMA with some judo/BJJ/MT techniques.

>>195093
I like to know bit of each, not into it for sports sake or to compete but to learn stuff from all. I'd do judo then bjj then x but that might not fit my needs too well so maybe if i can find good mma club thats not tryhard or bjj with standup game day and do striking in the gym with bag... not sure , i want to be bit above average guy in fighting, build cardio, strength

Wing chun and shaolin get no love.

I mean it takes a long time to learn. All the vids on youtube of wing chun losing is because they really haven't dedicated.

Yes mma is very strong, but vs someone in wing chun with 10 years of experience when they actually know the art will give them a run for their money. Their arms are completely conditioned and their first are too. It's supposed to be backed up by shaolin also, not a must, but its what ip man's top student who personally trained Bruce lee said.

When ip man stopped teaching Bruce Lee, it's because it sent him to personally train with his top student who was teaching also, cause it had more people to personally train.

Making wing chun more Mobil is a cool style also, but there are alot of hidden kicks and punches that traditional wing chuns don't teach.

Example if you get wrapped up, a horizontal chop kick , basically 1foot horizontally into the side of the pelvis, they're gonna get hurt pretty bad. And the shaolin ground fighting helps them if they get taken down.

>>195256
Problem is that "center line" thing they're always espousing but this makes trouble for them because nearly everyone else is trying to cut angles and attack from flanked positions

>>195115
Mma

I'm glad boards like these are so niche, you go to any bigger boards and it's just
>Bro I would poke him in the eye!
>I would bite him!
Why do people insist on roleplaying about how they would fight using wacky moves and other goofy shit?

>>195464
Because real martial arts training requires blood, sweat, pulled muscles, injuries and other things that armchair warriors want to avoid.

I used to be one of those cocky assholes because I'm 6'4 and thought my size and strength could carry me through...until I received my first murderous cut kick to the thigh by a dude 60 pounds lighter and 8 inches shorter. That shit humbled me real quick.

I wrestled in high school and I got completely outclassed and smothered in groundfighting by a 46-year-old man who was smaller and lighter than me (dude had insane grip strength) during sub grappling class.

>>195256
Eh, no offense to traditional CMA styles but they're something to treat like museum pieces; something you catalog and study but not applicable in modern times. In terms of unarmed fighting, even the Chinese military compiled various styles to create Sanda which allows them to practice traditional techniques as safely as possible without sacrificing effectiveness.

I do concede that Chinese weapons and wrestling styles are seriously underrated. I made the mistake of underestimating Shuai Jiao when I met a dude who was well-versed into it. He didn't dominate me (I already wrestled), but he fought every minute against me and did quite well to resist takedowns.

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>>195482
everyone around here realizes traditional martial arts are the best ones, not just some flash in the pan gimmicks like we see so commonly today
they're traditional for a reason. they stood the test of time over hundreds and thousands of years and some showbiz grifters might fool people for a while but the truth always shakes out in the end

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>>195479
I'm glad you didn't say tears
always think its super gay when people say blood sweat and tears. Like nigga why you cryin? get the fuck out of here with that

blood and sweat are manly secretions, tears are for girls and children

>>195487
I wonder if karate would ever do a bare-knuckle boxing format as in they'll allow punches and open palm blows to the face like old school prizefighting and modern Bare-Knuckle championships do.

>>195498
so lets see, traditional karate rules
bare knuckle, all surfaces of the hand are permitted
the only restrictions aside from the normal safety stuff would be how to regulate the grappling and kicking

so clinching and upper body takedowns are 100% allowed
and kicking will be a little trickier because we've been disputing to whether the roundhouse as well as kicks to the head are traditional or not, but it would be improper to say you can only use the foot to do kicks because traditional karate doesn't differentiate a kick from a sweep or trip, they're under the same umbrella of leg attacks

I like weapons, so I am drawn to Kali and the like. My self defense instances aren't really anything to brag about really, pretty boring minus the adrenaline. I've used my Surefire E2 to temporarily blind anyone with malintent, then skidaddle. Violent crime is on the rise again thanks to the psychos in power! Shit, originally this was just a hobby for me. Still fun though.

>>195256
>Yes mma is very strong, but vs someone in wing chun with 10 years of experience when they actually know the art will give them a run for their money
>he actually believes this
lol, lmao even

>>195487
>Like nigga why you cryin? get the fuck out of here with that
When I was a white belt in judo a brown belt girl simultaneously launched me to the floor with uchi mata and full force kicked me in the testicles. The combined power of a full force fall which I was not proficient in taking yet and the trauma to my balls made me tear up a little.