/HEMA/ General - Power of Sticks and Staves Edition>What is HEMA?HEMA stands for Historical European Martial Arts, sometimes also called Historical Fencing.It's reconstructing how to fight with swords, daggers, polearms, and other weapons based on old European fighting treatises>What does it look like?Inside the World of Longsword Fighting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zueF4Mu2uMBack to the source - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DBmNVHTmNsMartin Fabian Sparring - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8QlbKfX84k>Where can I find these treatises?https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Main_Pagehttps://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Category:Weapons>Where can I find HEMA clubs near me?https://www.hemaalliance.com/club-findershttps://hroarr.com/train/clubs-gear/club-finder/https://ifhema.com/ifhema-members/Previous: >>195383
>>207322What do you guys think of the staff autism of Fandabi Dozi on YouTube?https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5RHeeMpUaXnwhumMKK2T_8suOdG0XKvB
>>207324First I heard of it. QRD?
>>207326He does bushcraft and martial arts content largely (but not exclusively) through the lens of the 17th and 18th century Scottish highlands. This has led him to greatly appreciate the staff and to explore the ways it has been used in Scotland, Europe, and the world at large.
>>207324Sticks rule, every culture knows the simple pleasure of whipping the shit outta someone with a branch.
>>207322>Where can I find HEMA clubsWho sells nice fighting grade shillelaghs? Is there anywhere worth looking for staves other than Purpleheart? Might make myself a nice staff eventually but it looks like a bit of a time sink:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDLRMV5B9Zs&list=PL5RHeeMpUaXnwhumMKK2T_8suOdG0XKvB
>>207322>Pokes you at greater distance.Anyone else here do pike?
>>207442When does a spear become a pike?
>>207478I'd say around the 10-14ft mark.You also can get half-pikes.
i am going once again to the hema place, my fourth class... wish me luck. im afraid to post updates like i was now because i have a feeling some of the others probably lurk this thread, lol.
do any of you have insight on shoes? I am just starting and my club has said 'Adidas Samba' shoes are a good relatively cheap shoe. i see there are subtypes of this show as well, not really sure how that works or what specifically i would want beyond 'samba'I also heard people talking about some sort of barefoot style shoes, or shoes with basically no sole, or boxing shoes, or wrestling shoes for lunging around. Also heard 'court shoes', i guess thats just basic tennis shoes? Anyways whatever you guys tell me ill put at 150% weight for my decision because I am retarded and always choose to trust you idiots. I wear running shoes and on my first day practically i rolled my ankle. dont wanna do that again.Also I am used to using insoles that are slightly angled to counter pigeon toe'dness. I am not sure, maybe I should just remove them and try without them too. ill try that next time, although im pretty sure ive needed these insoles all these years ive used them they might make rolling my ankle even easier than it would normally be. also i can get around in sandals just fine, ill definitely have to experiment with not using the insoles just during class
>>207668I personally wear lace up flat soled plimsole sport shoes, they do me okay. Enough flex to hop around and be nimble, but they do wear out fast. Other club members wear flat soled boxing shoes and the more extravagant types wear heeled military surplus dress shoes. Boxing shoes tend to be very grippy though - so consider your style of play, if you slip back a lot you don't want that.My recommendation is some flat soled sports shoes that can lace tightly but don't restrict your ankles. My own experience is that anything restricting ankle movement or that off balances your natural footedness sucks - I always do worse when I'm lazy and wear my slightly heeled trainers to sparring.Running shoes are meant for running, you want something with as flat a sole as you can get, when you're sparring your brain doesn't have time to compensate for a shoe that has extra stuff between specific parts of your foot and the floor. Get something flat but comfortable is my advice. Someone more experienced than me likely has better advice though.
Finally have all my kit and can finally go ham with sparring. I think my instructor is happy too, since most of the other people have some of the equipment and borrow the rest. One thing I gotta do is train with my mask on because one of the other guys recorded my fights and I'm practically shadowboxing in front of my opponents. My depth perception needs work.
>>207668ASICS Men's Matflex 7 Wrestling Shoe Sneaker https://a.co/d/3MHnmjZ
>>207690I use the stick drill, if you have a steel feder. Hang a forearm thick branch as tall as you from a tree at chest height from the middle. Proceed to throw on gloves and mask and fight said stick. Your goal, if you know Meyers cross is pretty much do that to it. If not the goal I hit the top of one side then the bottom of the other while moving in a circle and defending yourself from the swinging log. Try it while hold a sip of water in your mouth to force nose breathing.
>>207696this looks really nice, im definitely thinking about this shoe now. thank you.>>207678good info, thank you
>>207696Wrestling shoes for HEMA are a dumb idea if you're mostly training on gym floorsCourt shoes i.ie any tennis/badminton/squash shoes are a better option
>>207772Nah they work really well better luck next time thought
>>207322Anyone been playing the Half Sword Playtest?Ofc its not toally realistic, but I really like how you can apreciate a lot of the sear bio-mechancs of fighting from its all physics based gameplay. really found different levels and types of armored made me aproach situations differently. You also really felt the effect of different kinds of weapons and properties. draw cuts vs full swings, purcussion, different weights, hitting with the shaft vs the head, different ranges, etc. Specially really been liking the half armored bouts, you dont see to much talk about that, often its either focus on unarmored or pull plate.>>207478>effectivelywhen the only other feasible hand weapon that can equal or outrange it is another pike>practicallya spear so long you can only use it effectively in two hands or while braced against the ground.
Just had my first day of Fiore longsword class. The local club practices all sorts of things, but the class is a prerequisite to join. Ordered one of these wood trainers to practice at home as we go along. Wish me luck, bros.
>>208110>The local club practices all sorts of things, but the class is a prerequisite to joinPittsburgh?
>>208112[spoiler]Lincoln, Nebraska[/spoiler] actually
What is your preference.Stick cut from a tree branch.or A log split or cut into wedges and rounded off to a staff?
>>207322when doing one handed complex gaurd sword like saber, where do you feel like you get hit more? The inside of the outside of the hand?
>>208252The former for cudgels and wizard staves, the latter for fighting staves and polearms.
Can I wear the puffy pants if I'm a fiorefag? Will people call me a poser?
>>208412>Fiorefag in denialCome to the Meyer camp. Everyday is leg day.
Are there any specific manuals for fighting with a paramerion or can I just substitute with something like a slavic sabre system?
>>208412>Can I wear the puffy pantsNo>if I'm a fiorefag?Doesn't matter, just don't wear puffy pants>Will people call me a poser?Poser and larper
>>208489If you're going to LARP as a duelist from centuries past you might as well go all the way with it and wear the puffy pants.
>>208489This guy got humbled by a larper.
>>207322>shillelaghs>>>>>>>implying it's just a stick when they load them with cast lead bowling balls on the cudgelThose things are yet another microcosmic part of why we call the Irish niggers. Same behavior as little shit kids who pack in rocks and pour water during casual snowball fights then start gloating like they've achieved something. Have to put the bastards down with a Bastard before they get uppity.
>>208612>no true stickman fallacy You're just salty that your bitch wrists can't handle carrying a leaded cudgel around all day.
>>208637Anon, it's easy as shit, the weighted head is what you hold, and it's supported by the stick. It's like carrying a sledgehammer around by the head instead of the haft.
>>208638>the weighted head is what you holdDepends on the style, by my limited understanding. Some approach it as you describe, more like singlestick fencing, while other use it as a mace or a very short quarterstaff. There's also the difference between the short stout cudgel variant of the shillelagh which was overtly a weapon and the walking cane variant which became common to circumvent English laws against carrying weapons.
>>208644By default / carrying it around you moron, of course you're going to swing the weighted part around when you're LARPing as a caveman.
>>208412The japanese still wear these balloon style pantaloons. They use them in construction, the air trapped within them acts as a safety feature
>>208412African americans still wear these balloon style pantaloons. They use them in construction, the air trapped within them enables them to hammer time
>>208412Traceurs still wear these balloon style pantaloons. They use them in parkour, the air trapped within them acts as a safety feature
>>207324I've been watching him for a while, it looks like he has been talking to some HEMA guys about his style. The video he just put out about his exercise routine seems to be entirely moullinets, which I think is basically akin to baton(?). I really need to get into his more "natural" style of exercise I think, I still do weights and shit but I think his logic on the subject is solid.What gets me going is seeing him walking around the highlands with a basket hilt. It'd be fun to wander around in the woods with an open-carry sword. Sadly in America the only way to larp historically in the woods is with a musket.
>>207442What even is there to "doing" pike?
>>207697>Try it while hold a sip of water in your mouth to force nose breathing.Now there's a fucking great trick.>>208412Speaking of LARP clothes, what's a good 16th century hat? My club does Marozzo so I'm looking for 16th-century Bologna obviously but there's not a lot of great material online about what hats they would've been wearing. I wanna look like this guy with the shit-eating grin.
>>208775>Flat cap>Dyed Ostrich feathers>maybe a small Peacock feather for good measureThey'd probably sew them seamlessly into the fabric back in the day, but with modern expertise, as much superglue as you can reasonably use.
>>208770https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/its-now-legal-to-open-carry-a-sword-in-texas/
>>208775Corny ass nigga.
>>208771>poke>bonk head>bonk other guys pokeHonestly I have no idea why anyone would bother unless they’re trying to study unit tactics or something
>>208449>paramerion Nope, to be honest, I didn't even know what those were to begin with, but byzantine stuff is no-no basically.>slavic sabre systemEven these don't really exist before the late 18th century... And most are French.
Anyone here do hema in NYC? Moving there in a month from long island and looking for a cool hema spot. There are quite a few, not sure which one is best
>>208891>>slavic sabre system>Even these don't really exist before the late 18th century... And most are FrenchAre you trying to say that there’s no manuals from the time period or are you actually so retarded you’re suggesting Slavic saber fencing didn’t exist prior to 1700?
>>208985Why the fuck would you move to New York City? It’s a piss reeking hellscape.
How physically taxing is this sport? I've seen some of buhurt and it looks like tough work. I've been really itching to get into something which is a lot of effort physically and there is a nice historical aspects I know I'd enjoy.
>>209006It’s as taxing as you allow it to be. If you want to be lazy and also bad it’s a really physically easy sport. You’re also never going to win a match. If you sit your guard properly, utilize dynamic footwork, and actually swing your sword around in an effective matter it’s going to take more work.I will say this though, I’ve done a number of martial arts both striking and grappling. In my experience, the baseline required to be successful in HEMA is the least physically taxing of any of them. I think that may have to do with the talent pool more than the sport itself though. I certainly work harder fighting good fighters compared to bad ones.
>>208990Re-read the initial question and disengage your own retard button anon. Obviously I meant there's no manual. The first sabre manuals we have from Russia were written by napoleonic officers ironically, following the French tradition.
>>209009>I think that may have to do with the talent pool more than the sport itself though.I agree with that. Many people who never do combat sports start with Hema and it shows. I tried putting on a BJJ timer (3 mins fighting and one min off. Reset after hit) and almost all the students were gassed by end of first round.
>>209357Gotta get them running. I do cardio four times a week to keep myself ready for sparring. Helps with class too, I ingest the lessons much better when I don't get too tired.
>>208647Not always. There are reasons for having the weight in hand. Theres the obvious reason, like a pommel bash. But the weight increases the control of the swing, the speed, stability during impact, energy transfer.
>>208775Anime di Bolognese
>>207795>>207696hello, im the person you originally responded to. I may be a complete novice, but I did buy these shoes you recommended and after 4 classes or so I can finally comment that I really like them. they seem perfect. im guessing tehy degrade quickly, but ill probably always buy this type of shoe for HEMA now. thank you. i think court shoes wouldnt feel this nice
>>209006i can only speak as someone who has significant experience with gym going (10+ years of bodybuilding and some strength oriented training), and I do treadmill jogging at a 'novice jogger' level (sub 30 min 5K) and i have done no other sports in my life. I thought I was gonna have no problem. It is true that I am the most fit looking person in the club, but I gas out fast. its like, different than just cardio or a combo of cardio and muscle fatigue. breathing through that mesh mask and heating up so fast I cant believe how much longer the others last than me, and they are mostly skinny fat nerds who dont even do cardio at all. but i guess theyve been swinging a metal thing around a long time. anyways i am very happy because it is fully exhausting and i wanted it to be such
>>208686kek
>>205262Late ass reply time: it's hard to answer this question properly because it's not clear what you really want. Do you want to get good at historical rapier technique? That might take several years of hard work. Do you want to smoke your local club guys who also don't really know historical rapier technique? Buy the lightest Castille you can and do epee shit with it, that's what most people do. Do you want to smoke your local club guys who also happen to be from one of the half dozen or so clubs that has guys actually competent in historical rapier? Now you're in real trouble. Lucky in a way though, because then you can learn from them and it'll be much faster to acquire authentic technique.Either way, the first step is not to lose your shit because you're not good after five months. Nobody's good at fencing after five months. And yes, talk to your instructor. How does he not know already what level you're at? Does he not watch the student sparring?
>>208991Because thats the only place around here to make decent money. Every other city in the tristate area is crime ridden, smells like piss and is full of darkies but at least in nyc there are things to do
Now what in the fuck is this shit?https://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Captain_PeloquinWhy did an autistic child teach fencing to frogs?
>>209824>he doesn't understand the diagrams
>>209824Imagine the headway we could make if people just learned how to read and reference the diagrams.
How exactly is larping as a knight a sport?
>>209945The sport aspect of HEMA is typically fencing plus wrestling.
>>209984My club is too gay to wrestle
>>209996Can you at least grapple?
>>210012Yeah, we actually do a fair bit. Really, what's a sword for except getting past the other guy's sword so you can throw him?
time for me to consider buying some equipment.. my group's big order from before just came in, superior fencing, and they all got their stuff after a 7 month wait. how much value do you get out of spending a little extra and just getting one of those spes light jackets? the stuff that came in to me looks... well, mostly really dumb looking, and some of it obscenely heavy. is the absolute most budget equipment going to impact your ability to fence much? has anyone tried the more expensive supfen jackets?
>>210139also... i noticed most american meets or tournaments only require 350N. but Ive heard in europe 800n is standard? that true? im finding it odd too that it looks like some 800n jackets are actually lighter then some 350N ones. light as possible = more mobility = good right?
>>210139Supfen is completely honestly dogshit compared to SPES, it's just poorfags and larpknechts telling themselves otherwise so that they can save a few measly dollars by sending their money to Pakistan and waiting for a geological amount of time. Looking aggressively retarded is merely a bonus feature but it's a nerdass martial art and söy gonna söy.
>>210144ooh. definitely gonna remember this comment. yeah i did some math and it would probably be worth the extra 100 dollars just to receive it in not 7 months
>>210144Question; does any of the protective equipment get worn out from extended use and if so, how extensive does the use need to be before you replace any of it?My feeling is that if you can get ten years or a lifetime's fencing out of good equipment, this is a "buy once cry once" hobby and I should just always just make the biggest purchase I'm capable of.
>>210152>Question; does any of the protective equipment get worn out from extended use and if so, how extensive does the use need to be before you replace any of it?Usually specific elements go long before the protector as a whole. Velcro and elastics in particular are durability weak points, but if you don't mind unpicking those and sewing on replacements you can get a lot more mileage out of your gear.However, the way it's been the last ten or fifteen years is that after 4-6 years you'll start hating your jacket or arm guards or whatever it is and will want to buy new ones just because that item has been noticeably superseded by better new gear. Hard to say whether this will continue into the future but in my personal opinion it's no biggie anyway because it leads to a lot of hand-me-down gear you can use as club loaners or sell cheap to new guys in your club. Plus, it's just a consequence of the gear getting better all the time and you learning more and more what makes a good piece of kit to you.
>>210014That's good, hated SCA fighting and CnT. What do you mean I can't touch them when we go into close measure?
do you guys know about armored mma?
>>210203pic related
>>210204Looks terribly unrefined
>>210211The more armor, the less IQ needed.
>>210144so today, they were talking about their order and an interesting fact came up that is not mentioned on the supfen website at all. The new jackets that have just gone out are apparently structured very differently from before. I got to see and feel them today and basically the interior fabric is completely different, porous, lighter and more breathable. how much more? no idea, i didnt get to try them. but it was an interesting topic today, apparently every type of jacket that was ordered which was most of the basic jackets are now shipping 'lighter, more breathable and have more mobility' according to people at my club. literally no idea why there is no website change, those guys are very... slow. just something interesting. someone else if you are getting an order soon let us know if they are different too
>>210165Well that pretty much clinches it I think, an extra couple hundred bucks isn't much spread out over 4-6 years. Worth the expense. And to me also, this is a health question. Your health is the foundation of all other happiness in your life. It's worth spending a bit more to make sure I'm less likely to get seriously injured.
>>210257Yeah, this calculus might be different for a eurofag but as an amerifat I guarantee there's no elbow cop pricier than the copay for a fucked elbow, and so on. There are probably gloves more expensive than a broken finger (jej), but still not worth it. You've got the right idea. Get good gear and you'll be a happier man. Some people will advise you to start with heavier everything and reduce as you go, getting more of a feel for what's the right protection level for you, and while there's a lot of sense in that, I can't say I agree without qualification – you *will* end up spending more that way and might end up uncomfortable for years, especially if you live in a hot/humid area, plus if you stick with HEMA, your early years are extremely unlikely to be your hardest-hitting, although almost certainly your most accident prone. TL;DR I don't know your situation, you know that best yourself, but my personal sense is unless you're doing a lot of high-intensity longsword or rapier/smallsword only, an AP Light 350 is the best starter and "standard" jacket. Don't start out with SPES pluderhosen, they're not padded and hard to fit knee cops to. (Also, huge larpfag alert, though I doubt I need to point that out.)PS: The Officer jacket looks great, but those press studs rust to fuck, at least on older models. Maybe they do stainless now, IDK.
>>210260>unless you're doing a lot of high-intensity longsword or rapier/smallsword only,Can you expand on this? My main form of fencing is going to be sidesword, with maybe a bit of longsword if I can get people to do it with me. Do I need more or less protection if this is my case?>Don't start out with SPES pluderhosen, they're not padded and hard to fit knee cops to. (Also, huge larpfag alert, though I doubt I need to point that out.)>not paddedYikes. Fortunately none of the illustrations from the treatises feature pumpkin pants, I'd be wearing hose and a pair of these if I wanted to do that.Although speaking of which, would paned slops/breeches be less gay if I added a big codpiece to it? Or would they be more gay?
>>210260NTA, i am intending to do entirely longsword at a somewhat heavier intensity if i can, should i go for a regular AP jacket, 350n? youtube content creator people seem to think ap light 350n is still fine even if youre doing fairly hard longsword. also worth mentioning that those products are all 'ap light hema jack ''plus''' on the website now, since they apparently.. redesigned them or something awhile ago. now they even have this "light hema jacket next generation 800n" which sounds like an oxymoron.
i just know ill buy some jacket and the next day someone will put out a brand new line that is just advanced in every way.
>>210267>Can you expand on this?Sure. Longsword is the hardest-hitting weapon by far and probably responsible for a sizable majority of HEMA-related injuries on its own. As such, if you do a lot of hard-hitting longsword it's reasonable to want a more heavily padded jacket. Conversely a lot of people do rapier in just regular sport fencing gear; if you don't use cuts, wear a hard chest protector and don't fight anything else and/or don't mind having a second set of kit, this is fine. (I hope I don't need to explain why all this applies even more to smallsword.)If you're doing mainly sidesword, an AP Light should be fine. Again though, I want to stress this is just my personal take and ultimately it really depends on your own tolerances. Nobody's going to shame you for showing up in a regular AP, or if they do you're in a tard club.>Although speaking of which, would paned slops/breeches be less gay if I added a big codpiece to it? Or would they be more gay?More gay. If you absolutely have to draw attention to your dick (inherently gay behavior though, mind you), just buy a huge groin protector.>>210268>youtube content creator people seem to think ap light 350n is still fine even if youre doing fairly hard longswordLots of people do use them for that, but typically those are veteran HEMAists who have already gained a clear idea of their own tolerance for punishment, and who want to max out their mobility and heat shedding for competitiveness. They're not wrong or anything, but they're not necessarily the kind of guys you should be using as models, as a newbie buying his first jacket.>also worth mentioning that those products are all 'ap light hema jack ''plus''' on the website nowYeah, that just what the current model is called, don't think you can buy the non-"Plus" AP Light anymore. Like you said, they did a minor update to the design.
>>210353Thanks for the insight, I'll talk to my club too but I always find 4chan advice at least as helpful as IRL advice, if not more so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JzhAoaq4uQFights from the other day.
Hello /hema/, tourist here from /k/.I ordered a Munich from Albion almost two years ago now, and by the estimate they gave me in February it should be ready soon. I bought it as an heirloom and wall hangar, but I am interested in getting some training to at least have some longsword fundamentals since it feels extra stupid to have a sword that I have no idea how to use.I don't know if I'm going to go as far as to seek out clubs or in person training since I don't think I'll ever be serious about HEMA, but what are some books/videos/other resources you would recommend that would help me create a training regimen I can do at home?Also, can you recommend a blunt trainer/feder that would be as similar in weight and balance as possible to my Munich that I could use for training to avoid damaging my sword or hurting myself?
>>210514Honestly nothing replaces in-person training, so if you can find a club or school, even if you don't go for a long time, I'd recommend going for at least a few months to get the basics in person. Once you have the real basics down, and you know some of the lingo and get a feel for how things work, then you could get something out of online resources like in the OP. I think otherwise you'd spend a long time flailing around learning the wrong things.
>>210530>Honestly nothing replaces in-person trainingThis. Lots of people seem to think that because HEMA was reconstructed from books, that means you should be able to learn it yourself from a book, but the reconstruction took ages and still isn't finished, and was done by people with considerable martial arts and sport fencing experience.>>210514, if you want to learn anything at all, go to a club. It's a physical activity and it's meant to be learned in person, from an instructor, that's the authentic historical way of learning it. If you train alone at home you'll end up like a guy learning karate out of a book.
>>210514>>210530>>210543Third to say go in person. I get a lot of fun out of reading the books, but it's just reading a tad ahead in the classes. Most of the books give good explanations, but you need to feel the movements and actually get some resistance from a partner to understand why you're doing certain steps. And the rest of the time you're trying to translate prose and verse. 16th century was a strange time to write instruction manuals.
>>210564Also if you're a spastic and read the books and then decide go to class to debate the instructors, fuck you. You're the reason training turns into a discussion and kills your cardio gains.
>>210514>tourist here from /k/.rip your board
>>210530>>210543>>210564>go to a clubWell, this makes sense. It's the same for shooting so I guess I'm not surprised. Any tips on how to tell if a club is any good? I just want to learn forms and drills and stuff I can use to exercise/practice for general fitness and speed.>>210573:( thanks anon - imo it died ~2012 and I've just been living in the ruins.
>>210574Check flags on the walls. If they aren't doing some kind of sparring to pressure test their drills or forms. If the class stops for more than five minutes to teach a drill. Usual autism tests.
>>210576Ok last question - how do I find a practice sword that has ergos as close as possible to my sharp?
>>207324This is actually why I got into HEMA in the first place. I was always interested in it but the videos he's made about the natural human engagement with tool use really pushed me over the edge. I'd always done bare-handed martial arts in the past because that seemed more "practical," but that got me to loosen up about it. I don't think I'll ever have occasion to really need sword fighting skills but it's just good for me to be learning how to use a hand tool, developing the related fitness, and honestly just feeling that simian happiness from swinging a sharp metal lever around.
>>210565I actually managed to do this my first class even without reading anything just because I had so many questions on fundamentals and theory.
>>210584Asking questions is fine. Debating, trying to solve the drills, going "Well the book says X" or "Fiore says Y" when you're drilling Meyer. That shit is not ok.Yes, I'm jaded.
>>210581First of all, you're from /k/, you know the drill. Pics and timestamp. You could scour the internet to try to find your exact specs, which might cost a lot. Or get a trainer closer or in the ballpark of your sharp and just be careful trying out moves with said sharp.
are gabriels or something like gabriels really a bad idea for a beginner because you'll fuck your hands up? I cant even physcially get into ochs position because of how bulky the heavy lobster loaner gloves are. i feel like its going to give me bad habits in the long run not using ochs literally at all for.. how every long until i buy gloves.i hear there are mittens too that have way more mobility than those lobsters. help, im retarded and a noob! i think its time i stopped fixating on jackets and maybe started with the gloves. seems important.
also... is there any way to know if one of these big equipment companies might be putting out a new product soon? id love to pick something up when its brand new. do you people follow any sort of pages where they talk about their prototypes or something? i feel like a new generation of equipment might appear suddenly that is much better than everything that exists or something..
>>210642sorry, should probably mention im referring to somewhat hard longsword sparring.
>>210644How often are you getting handshot? If you're still green and being sniped then I'd not recommend them.
>>210705all the time. i watched some tournament footage the other day and saw a lot of people wearing heavy gloves, so i guess that gives me some confidence that they're probably fine, so long as its not those old lobsters. but buy do i wish there was a brand new glove i could salivate over
>>210642Just do ochs more when sparring you’ll get used to doing it in heavy gloves eventually. The infinity gauntlet or whatever the next big thing is that claims it will have 5 finger mobility with sufficient protection for longsword sparring is never coming
>>210734The Sparring Gloves Infinity Gauntlet has existed for ages, it's not good but also not vaporware. The new one is the Nilin Gauntlet, which allegedly also exists, in China, but which is a Chinaman Progauntlet ripoff sold at Progauntlet prices.If it doesn't turn out to be insufficient for longsword, I'll eat my fencing mask.
>>210752do you get arthritis over time using insufficient gloves or something like that? my club leader apparently has ridiculous arthritis in all his fingers
>>210761Insufficient gloves leads to breaking fingers. Breaking fingers leads to long term pain.>>210752I recall someone in my club seeing an early infinity gauntlet explode during a tournament when it got hit. I don’t trust pro gauntlet either. Get ready to eat your fucking fencing mask because again, a good five finger glove is never coming. Seriously just git gud with Spes heavies.
>>210752>>210779I’m sorry I’m drunk I just realized you were talking shit about five finger gloves constantly being shot and not convinced the next one was going to be perfect. I apologize for my foolishness.
>>210780Kek, it's all good my bro. We've all been there.
>>210792i havent been there personally, becasue i dont drink like you simian apes. enjoy your govermentally mandated intoxicant cuck!! now, taste my five finger dexterity oberhau!!!! HYAHHH!!! thats right you just got served cucky boy tell all your riends youve been destoryed by me, the one and only boromir pussywind
>>210581just get a regenyei feder with a disk pommel.a sigi king or a ensifer might be closer in feel but those are expensive and a standard feder is good enough
I like my Gabriel gauntlets, but my kryptonite is my forearms and elbows so they work for me.
>>210930pretty pricey for being not as good as a mitten
has anyone here ever used spes ap light 'new generation' 800n jacket? does this thing represent a jacket that could be used for longsword without a plastiron underneath? lord in heaven i just hate these supfen mega heavy jackets that we use, i feel like i am moving in slow motion.
>>210988>a jacket that could be used for longsword without a *plastron underneathDoesn't exist. Armor up or get skewered when some penny-pinching poorfag snaps his worn-out sword on your chest.
>>211039do people almost always use plastirons in tournament type settings? do they limit your mobility a lot? are you saying you always need one even with a very heavy jacket? im starting to think my club has some unusual opinions about those things. is there value in buying an -expensive- plastiron?
Is there a free pdf somewhere for this art of combat 1570 book I am poor and have learned helplessness please here comes the choo choo CHOOCHOO am I a good boy mommy
>>211198Found this from the Wiktenauer page;https://schielhau.org/Meyer.title.htmlYou might have more luck starting from here;https://www.wiktenauer.com/wiki/Joachim_Meyerbut the free ones look to be transcriptions rather than translations. Which tracks; the original manuscript is public domain, the translations are not.
>>209662Move.
>>207322Why doesn't Donald McBane get more love? A scan of his treatise is freely available on Google Books but he doesn't even have a Wiktenauer stub article. Is it because he doesn't teach longsword?>Donald McBane - Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_McBane>The Expert Sword-man's Companion: Or The True Art of Self-defence: With an Account of the Authors Life, and His Transactions During the Wars with France. To which is Annexed, The Art of Gunnerie, Volume 1https://books.google.com/books?id=0O9WltulBl8C>The Legendary Highland Swordsman You’ve Never Heard Of- Donald McBane Storieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRsiVACwxOQ&list=PL5RHeeMpUaXknIXik5gyRjbkp-2nrK6hm&index=61
>>211332Well is it really a system or is it a series of accounts of times he kicked ass?
>>211349Both, from what I've seen skimming it. The first half discusses how to kick ass in general, the second half contains accounts of times he kicked ass in particular.
>>211351>accounts of times he kicked assAlso times he had his ass kicked, or kicked his own ass.
>>211332>why isn’t there more discussion about based beer money thiefI’ve done a little Mcbane in my club. The reality is though that he’s the kind of guy who’s book is more interesting because of his life story than it is his fencing, even though he was by all accounts an excellent fencer. The same can be said about silver or swetnam.
>>211352Or escaped an asskicking! The Soldier's Leap at Killiecrankie is still a tourist attraction.
>be small club>no space to rent>fight in the park to attract people>mostly teenagers come and check it out>none of them are 18We don't want to turn them away but we're in burgerland. Hitting kids is a fast way to get sued. Thoughts?
>>211446Release forms.
>>211446Beat the shit out of those little bastards
What does the rapier tournament scene look like compared to longsword? Smaller, right?
>>211689Certainly smaller, but plenty of variety. You can do mixed steel, rapier + dagger (gay), rapier + cloak (kino), single rapier. Of course it all really depends on what's around you or how far you're willing to travel for tournies. I find rapier very fun, matches feel more "finessed" than longsword.
>>211689It's even more full of gay spoffs wanting to turn it into Olympic epee and seething at the mere possibility of rules that might oblige historical fencing in their historical fencing tournament. If you want to fight against hypercompetitive fucktards who are somehow nevertheless incapable of reaching D rank in epee it's probably great. If you like rapier you're kind of outta luck though.
>>211743>>211767The contrast between these posts are wild
>>211779My guess is Other Anon is a longsword primary so he doesn't see the problems or doesn't perceive them the same way, since he's "just doing rapier for fun" in the sense of being a deliberate casual. Nothing wrong with that, but he just won't have the same experiences.
>>211767>nooooo you’re doing it wrong!>I didn’t lose because I’m worse at fencing I only lost because you’re not doing it right!
>>211798See what I mean? Complete faggotry at any suggestion that historical fencing tournaments might benefit from historical fencing.
>>211801The real faggotry here is you crying about how rapier fencers are “hypercompetitive” as if that’s a bad thing.>but muh real historical fencingCut them open without getting yourself cut open, that is the goal of fencing.
its been 2 months and i suck really, really bad, fresh new people off the street are better than me. all i understand is how to throw out extremely obvious, telegraphed oberhaus and unterhaus, middlehau, someone was trying to describe to me the idea of throwing a 'high' oberhau or a 'low' oberhau in order to have more differentiation, does that make any sense? literally all that was explained to me was to think of sort of meier square diagram on the person and to attack the lower openings with unterhaus and the higher openings with oberhaus. also i and several of the others think that i ahve some mental block that is really holding me back, its a combo of performance anxiety, feeling like i am inconveniencing my sparring partners (because i am) since they are all years and years in to the sport, and i cant seem to actually follow through on strikes because i think i am afraid of hitting people, i slow down drastically before impact. everyone says i suck way more than i aught to
>>208775>what's a good 16th century hat? My club does Marozzo so I'm looking for 16th-century Bologna obviously but there's not a lot of great material online about what hats they would've been wearing.Tons of these available on Etsy, https://www.etsy.com/listing/1281037584/historical-reenactment-headdress-blue for example. "Tudor cap" or "Tudor bonnet" would be the typical English-language search terms.>>211834Two months is way too fuckin' early for you to start worrying about your performance levels. Just keep your nose to the grindstone.
>>211834>feeling like i am inconveniencing my sparring partners (because i am) since they are all years and years in to the sportYou're a better practice partner than an inert pell, which is what they'd be using without noobs to smack around. >and i cant seem to actually follow through on strikes because i think i am afraid of hitting peopleSomeone should let you hit them to get your hit calibration down. It's good that you don't want to injure people but you're cheating your partner by not hitting them properly and that safety kit is there for a reason.
>>211834See>>211848How often are classes? Unless this is some special fencing club that meets every day, two months of practice doesn't mean you're supposed to be good at fencing. Stop beating yourself up.>>211859Listen to this guy too.
>>211867>>211859>>211848yeah. thanks. it just makes me sad because for some reason a lot of these guys day 1 were expecting me to just take off instantly. also they did have me do a hit calibration thing during the first week but im almost certain now that that was bs, everyone in the club swings way harder than they told me to swing initially. couldnt sleep last night i was so concerned about those guys being so clearly dissapointed in me the other day. im fine so long as i can feel like im on the curve im supposed to be
>>211869Completely different anon here, don’t worry about it so much whether you think you’re disappointing anyone. Martial arts is a long journey, not something you master in a couple months. Here’s a couple practical suggestions I can give you for improving your progress. Don’t worry about “winning” the bouts you do while sparring and start setting specific goals for yourself and trying to hit those. For example, one I found that really helped me was forcing myself not to retreat from an engagement and instead exchanging multiple cuts with my opponent. Now obviously there are times you SHOULD disengage, but doing this will help you build confidence and competence in your ability to stand and bang it out. Additionally, if you only feel competent throwing single over cuts and under cuts I have a newb killer combo for you. Feint an over cut and then pull back to under cut from the opposite corner. Feint and under cut then pull back to over cut from the opposite corner. This is an incredibly simple combo but works really really really well at the beginner level.
>>211875huh, i hope i can remember to try that, i think fixating on some simple 'sequence' could be helpful for me. sounds good
>>211828>Cut them open without getting yourself cut openBut Olympic style fencing which the sweats push for in even historical fencing clubs is terrible at that aspect.>I swung my arm around the back of my head like a spasming retard and tapped you on the skull with the very tip with terrible leverage that would do little more than a shallow cut but since it happened 1 second before you delivered a solid and fatal thrust to my gut in response I am the victor and thus the superior swordmasterI've seen the Olympic matches. They're impressive in terms of speed and agility, definitely more so than most historical fencer, but the combat application is on the same level as Tai Chi or Kendo: barely any. The emphasis is on tapping your opponent before they tap you, not caring about if it's a strike that could be actually debilitating or fatal to the opponent were it conducted at full force or with a live blade.
>>207322alright nerds, get me some two handed sword teachings to study
>>211958Italian or German?
>>211980Eh, don't care, either is fine as long as it is presented in video format and the person explaining it is good at it.Surely you guys have plenty of video tutorials starting from basics to advanced stuff, right?
>>212011German it is then. Have some Meyer.https://youtu.be/4hwTpsZ5cgk?si=GBjWFmy_sLc_az6-
What's the point of the mezzano cuts?
>>212406Useful strike around your opponents sword when they block a thrust made from window guard.
>>211933>complains about tapping>All HEMA mathces are who taps who first because no one knows what a "good strike" looks like so any hit is validThe irony; at least the other fencing arts have standards.
>>2126411v1 me irl live blades brah
>>212915
>>212919THAT SOUNDS LIKE ME
>>212919Kek
Pill me on the ballistic passing step.
>>213026The…what?
Redpill me on the torre pendente strike.
>>213209sorry i only know how to talk about ribbon cuts
Pillpul me on the vienna swirl / viennese whirl.
>>213246I don't do Italian, but I could show you the Kekse und Soße drill.
if i wanted to acquire a fighting manual for using two clubs for jesterly juggling related shenanigans where would i go for such a thing spoonfeed me please lest i have to beg one of my obnoxious hema friends instead
>>213281Like two heavy sticks? So you can juggle and fight at a moments notice?Larpers are getting creative.
>>213292He’s a battle bard
>>213281For your needs, filipino double stick stuff can be more useful than hema
>>207322>Power of Sticks>>213306>filipino double stick stuffthere's a thread for that but it's pretty slow >>187193
I wear poofy pants and I still think this club is based.
>>213786If you want to play dress up join a LARP group or the SCA or something. Some Colored jackets and I think even some mask paint jobs aren’t a big deal but all this has gotten out of hand and I don’t blame them for cracking down on this dumb shit.
>>213786>no ears, ribbons, tailsWhat the niggerbaiter is going on in Russian HEMA? I thought they were all supposed to be rusnat psychos who hit way too hard??? These rules imply there's a level of furfagging going on that's unheard of even in my own trooned-up club environment though. Are the Muscovites just a bunch of flamers after all?
>>213815Maybe they're expecting faggotry from the people flying in for the tourney.
>>213786So people really need to be told to wear proper pants and not to wear tails. What a time to be alive.
>>213829The people flying in from the West? The West that's been boycotting the shit out of them for the last couple years?Or what, visiting Belarusian furries? Is that big problem in Belarus?
>>208985You’re kind of fucked in the city; the only group that really has a presence around there is the SCA and their culture is derivative of their NAMBLA founders.There’s a free Hema/Boffer group on Long Island (Suffolk) called the Order of the Compass Rose that’s associated with EMP and SMA, they’re much less likely to unload political bullshit on you.
>>213867>their NAMBLA foundersIs this polemics or actual history? Given the organization's modern faggotry the polemics would be deserved and the history would be unsurprising.
>>213868The East Kingdom was founded by NAMBLA members and child sex abusers Walter Breen and Marion Zimmer Bradley.The East in particular is particularly bad I can tell you for a fact the BOD and the higher ups in Ostgardr (NYC) will jump through flaming hoops to harbor sex offenders as long as they do the woke Hokey Pokey.
>>213869I looked at the wiki page for Walter Breen and saw that he’s a child rapist but nothing about the SCA, some reddit post mentions Marion as a founder and his gay husband. I did find this though>He regularly wore his Phi Beta Kappa key as a zipper pull on the fly of his pants. He joined Mensa in 1958 or 1959, possibly the first American to do so.[6]He’s not only pedophile child rapist but also reddit fucking personified. I’m going to hold this over every sca nerd I ever meet.
>>213870Walter Breen’s scadian name was Walter of Greenwalls, he was East Kingdom’s first seneschal
>>213868Second Anon here, can verify what Anon says about Walter Breen and Marion Zimmer Bradley being child molesters (convicted in the case of Breen, I think he literally died of AIDS in prison) and among the founders of the SCA. I've also heard that Breen was one of the founders of NAMBLA but that one's obviously harder to verify, especially without ending up on a watchlist.
>>213872>>213873Truly disgusting. People in HEMA have had their legacies ruined over far less. I guess pedos get a fucking pass. Clown world.
>>213875>People in HEMA have had their legacies ruined over far less.Yeah because it's not a hobby founded by and for pedos.>I guess pedos get a fucking pass.They get a pass *in pedo organizations*, yes. You might as well seethe that NAMBLA doesn't kick out child molesters from its ranks.>Clown world.Anon my friend, just keep some perspective and be glad that youre not a nonce.
>>213869Do you know anything about the history of Æthelmearc? I used to have some fairly normal friends there so I checked up on the page for their largest barony which appears to now fly the flag of no white children instead of displaying the traditional Pittsburgh themed heraldry of the barony.
>>213893Continuing the proud tradition of being a cancer that the loser of Pennsic gets stuck with I see
>>213789>>213786>on this dumb shitWearing dumb flamboyant shit on your uniform is really customary in european martial arts. It's like, everything german in particular (lansquenets, Meyer for a start, schwertbrüder stuff). If there's security involved sure, but otherwise, it's really "no fun allowed" level of nonsense. Sober uniforms is some heavy protestant-tier silliness.
>>213902>cat ears and furry tails are historical clothing
>>213902>it's really "no fun allowed"I suspect the objective is more "no fags allowed" and the restrictions would be less Puritanical if the rainbow people weren't using their uniforms as billboards for political faggotry.
>>213902Furryfag spotted
>>213902It's about nonfunctional decorations. Go demo at a renfaire if you want to wear your trash.>verification not required
>>213902>Wearing cat ears and a tail on your uniform is really customary in european martial arts.>Nyan~Gee, I wonder who could be behind this post.
>>213893>local barony has always been weird>find out it's a swinger's club/polyculeI just wanna hit people with sticks and not go to jail, why do they have to make it weird?
>>213992>why do they have to make it weird?See >>213869
>>213995I know that, but with SCA being kiddie diddlers and EMP letting kids fight in open combat, I'm left with Buhurt which is just looks like a crippling injury waiting to happen.
>>213992>>214035If you just want to do stick fighting Philippine martial arts are probably your best bet. Otherwise there are a small contingent of HEMA guys who do cane fighting.
>>214035>Buhurt which is just looks like a crippling injury waiting to happen.That's because it is.I suggest SMA, which is for rightoid kiddy diddlers who left the SCA because it got too woke.Or, you could just – hear me out, now! – do HEMA, which is what this thread is actually about. Proper swords instead of sticks, admittedly a pretty severe infection of trannies and general dangerhairs, but much more salubrious than the SCA (the dangerhairs are all puritanical zoomers who think any kind of flirting outside a dating app is grooming, so no fear of a lolicule there) and much better for your brain meats than the behourd.
>>213869Worth noting that these two pedophiles were also integral in founding the original West Kingdom, along with Diana Paxson and Jon DeCles among others, both of whom are also known pedophiles.>>213893Aethelmearc was originally part of the East, but I think they were more in the Chicago/Midrealm orbit in terms of openness to child molesting. Hard to know for sure, of course, it's not like people brag about it normally.
>>214043You sound insufferable.I do hema and rattan fighting. You can do both. One is for the technical side of fencing, and the other is for the armored combat.Both scratch the itch of hitting people with sticks and not going to jail.
>>214043Fencing and hitting a steel helmet so hard it dents scratch different itches.
>>214045>You sound insufferable.Oh no! I'm being judged on 4chan!
>>214052A more self-aware take might be:>even 4chan thinks I'm insufferable
>>214043>too wokeDid they leave over pandemic politics or troon politics?
>>214053You don't speak for all of 4chan, retard. Both you and the guy you're arguing with are insufferable faggots.
>>214054IIRC over lefty equality politics, like letting same-sex couples be monarchs, letting women fight for crown, and browd-based shitloss over historical patterns that look like swastikas (those kinds of box spirals were pretty common in weaving for obvious reasons, if you're oversensitive it's 15 megahitlers to reproduce them now). The SCA was originally medievalist over stuff like this, women were expected to be damsels giving their knights afavors and watching from the stands even when their obesity made them ridiculous as damsels, and so on, but as you're probably aware, history freaks leftroids out.Oh, and I also think a bunch of the SMA guys were literal KKK members and got in trouble over that.
>>213876What if someone made a documentary type video compiling all the necessary proof to cancel the whole SCA/LARP scene?As a joke, you know.
>>214045Rattan fighting is not like armored combat at all. Swinging a light ass stick at someone on armor won't incapacitate in the least. HEMA has armored combat (Harnisfechten) and Buhurt recreates friendly tournament fighting. That's all you get bucko.
>>214187A rattan stick is just a waster that pulps out instead of splintering violently.
>>214186If that were to happen, I would watch it.I would also enjoy the aftermath.
>>214193Only youtuber out of pocket enough to document all this shit I can imagine is Turkey Tom, seeing he has a thing for making documentary type exposé vids of actual discord groomers and whatnot.
>>214186Can't help but wonder if that would have the effect of motivating the less deviant SCAdians to clean the organization or if it would have the effect of driving healthy people away and increasing the sexual deviancy of the group.
>>214199One or other, I just know their pseudo hema format is cancer. If you show up with anything new weapon wise, they'll dismiss it because it's not been approved. And their weapon list is so old that half the retailers don't even exist anymore
Lee Smith's notorious disgrace, delivering hard blows after halt has been called, visible at 1:24 and 3:11 https://youtu.be/3r86pARypTo?si=l-lOU_1VzXHflkZ0What is the worst shit you have seen at your club? [spoiler]And why did you do it?[/spoiler]
>>214889What was the result? The woman announcing was echoing like hell. What was said about both late hits?
>>215033Chris lees own club was running the event so of course he won and wasn’t even carded. He would later, after this video got out, give a non-apology where he says the other guy hit him late one time so he’s justified in tard raging and hitting him way after the hault as hard as he can.Chris Lee was also a massive cunt in is own club that eventually his other club mates splintered off and made their club specifically without him. He was shunned pretty much everywhere in Canada and North America for having this cringey “warrior” mindset that basically meant he got to beat on his students whenever he felt like for whatever he felt like and if you complained you’re a pussy. He has since been run out of his own country and operates a club in the Philippines where they don’t know any better.
>>215055>Had a guy who ran an EMP tourney and fought in it>He goes 110% or feral>Soon as I or another guy match that energy, this fuck walked across the arena>Smacked me or the other guys and threaten to boot us from the tourney>Younger fighter so didn't know better.I still think he's there. Left that group when they allowed 14 year olds onto the open battlefield fights. Power trippers can go feet first into a woodchipper.
>>214889>>215055>>215078why is this so common.I have a place where I train and everybody is chill and reasonable except the dude who is in charge, who seems to be hell bent on not losing because it will shatter his ego I guess? So he rather shatter your bones instead, just to be safe.
>>215233HEMA people come in three flavors, macho dude with frail ego, onions person with frail ego, autist that like swords and sports.First is just a fat retard that couldn't cut it in a more established contact sports where you actually need to train their physique AND techniques. Doing that is too much work so they just larp at HEMA. They will cry when anyone is better than them, since they should be MC. Most likely never played a sports in a decent capacity ever.Second, a non binary or close enough retard that wanted to be more active and just went for HEMA because video games or some similar shit. Never did a sport in their lives, if they go to tournaments they expect to asked their pronouns, and to be asked if its ok to record or whatever. They expect the lightest of taps, and any competitive behavior or non catering to their mood is a sign of their opponent being a huge insensitive asshole. Similar to the fat retard they have basically no physical training and their technique is ass.Sword and sport autist: Usually pretty chill. They found hema through some weird rabbit hole or another. They probably played competitive sports before and know how to behave more or less well. If they care they will train, but understand that sometimes you will lose, sometime they're will be someone that's just better, at least that day. If they don't care, they will go for a tournament for shit and giggles and try out weird shit. Either way, usually a blast to fence with.
>>215457>macho dude with frail ego>just a fat retard that couldn't cut it in a more established contact sportsIf you're in a format that allows throws you have to grapple these people. Nothing embarrasses them more than getting manhandled.
>>213786So even tho >RussiaThey're more hitting the mark than missing it.>no non functional elements on maskAgree.>no non functional elements on other equipmentPartially agree. Ribbons and needless belts are great at catching on stuff. My reservations are about patches or embroidery. Some people have their name or club embroidered, or have club patches. And jackets can take a while to break in, so it's not easy to remove patches or buy a new jacket.>350N pantsLame, but I sadly agree. I hate fencing pants.>no painted masksBruh even Oly fencing in the Olympics allows painted masks. 90% of painted masks are cringe, but really?At least masks are easy to replace.
>>215530I don't think they're after patches or embroidery. Just extra shit like tails or costume effects.
>>215457The second asshole is also most likely to bring up their bullshit, but also assume the awkward silence after is that everyone agrees with them.Fat bitch in our hema group just tried to push out a guy because he voted for orange guy and she got the boot because most of us were just quiet about our voting habits. She only sparred a few times anyway and oh dear God she didn't like being hit.
>>214580Can confirm. When a buddy of mine went to an event two weekends ago to try cut and thrust, SCA was experimenting with "lesser protection" which is just hemalite with gloves and mask. It's getting pretty stupid. The whole time there were fighters complaining that the hits were too hard, but not having the wherewithal to realize that the ones complaining were just wearing linen while sparring. Shit is really stupid.But his weapons weren't inspected so he got to use his whole arsenal of stuff.
>>215055>Chris Lee???>>215530>Bruh even Oly fencing in the Olympics allows painted masks. 90% of painted masks are cringe, but really?Pretty sure the Olympics only allows your mask to be painted with your national flag OR a flat color which is prominent on that flag. And whether that's the case or not, when's the last time you actually saw a sport epee guy with a mask painted with a smiley face or Punisher skull or Witcher wolf or some similar cringe shit? There's a lot wrong with the spoffs but at least they're not actively trying to make the event's cringe compilation.>>215561>SCA was experimenting with "lesser protection" which is just hemalite with gloves and mask.Lmao, you know why they're doing this, right? It's because they have such a massive number of fat greasy fucks that like 80% of them get gassed out instantly from just having to stand in a padded jacket. They're constantly trying to figure out ways to wear less shit so their blubber won't melt.
>>215583Part of me wants to join my buddy and go to another event. Just to see how fast I can get kicked off the field.
>>215591It'd be a decent opportunity to train with your buddy and you might even encounter the small percentage of SCA fencers who aren't terrible.
>>215583I meant lee smith, not Chris Lee. Sorry I’m retarded
>>215602We spar almost every weekend for a couple hours, so it would be entirely to check out the insanity of the SCA. One thing for sure, I'll keep my gambeson on.
>interested in HEMA>local club is annoyingly left leaning and makes sure to inform everyone that they are pro they/them trans allies and gurlpower friendlyhow about "everyone is welcome, don't be a dick" instead of "if you don't heckin validate and respect trans folx you're not welcome here!"this politics shit is so annoying and i wish i could have an interest in this without having to pretend to be some marxist retard
>>215622It sucks that you can't just pay money and attend class. My BJJ and hema class just have an American flag on the wall and no one talked about politics. We sparred during the early election and no one even said a damn word after class. It's so simple but the crazies have to be validated so much.Also is that rhetoric coming from your students or from staff of the club? Changes the context if you have some outspoken students. But if it's staff, you're cooked.
>>215622Lets start a whites only club
ive been investing in this sport for 4 months now and still every single time i go in i am completely mentally exhausted by all the autistic people and then I question my future in the hobby. it is such a god damn shame because the sport itself really is phenomenally fun and interesting. im by all accounts a fucking nerd and a 4chan sperg and yet those people just bother me so much. its upsetting me. it took a lot for me to attempt to come out and learn a social hobby, and now im just wondering if im gonna quit. i bet this is a fantastic hobby if your club mates arent hysterically trying to force warhammer lore down your throat, talk about their shitty creative writing projects or hold you verbally hostage for 45 minute tirades about how tacos are technically a sandwich, or whatever. if you spergs from class are reading this, fuck off. i really wish there could be a few normal people in there. but i guarentee you any regularly nerdy type of person or just someone normal-ish is deterred from entry by the sight of 15 spergs who think they are anime characters, genuinely. PLEASE tell me some of you have groups where some of the people are chill, i am just back and forth every single day on weather or not i should continue.
>>215770>i bet this is a fantastic hobby if your club mates arent hysterically trying to force warhammer lore down your throat, talk about their shitty creative writing projects or hold you verbally hostage for 45 minute tirades about how tacos are technically a sandwich, or whatever.Either bring the conversation back to the task at hand (HEMA) or disengage and say you're going to go do drills or sparring or whatever. >some of the people are chillYeah. Spergs are kind of unavoidable but they can be tard wrangled and either kept on task or ignored when off-task.
>>215773right. i feel like i could defuse them better if i was a bit more brusque or something, i find it really challenging because they seem so intensely emphatic about the things they talk about... its just hard. maybe ill get better at wrangling over time. but i just dont wnat to deal with it at all. is there some other hobby i could be attempting in place of hema right now? honestly no, i dont know. i dont know what the hell i want to do. i feel like shit staying at home and avoiding class and the people, i feel like shit at the class. i want to be social but when im out socializing i just want to leave. maybe ill get a therapist again. i dont think 'my people' exist, i just dont anymore
>>215774If you're not willing to be blunt with your fellow spergs who struggle with subtle cues you're going to have a rough time. Take the opportunity for personal growth. >is there some other hobby i could be attemptingGet your cardio and strength up. Not only will it help with HEMA but it'll get your baseline stress levels down so you have more energy for tard wrangling.
>>215776probably very on point response... it shouldn't screw with my head this much dealing with this kind of thing. ill try to put the intrusive thought of just burning all bridges and leaving immediately aside. social hobbies are a fucking nightmare sometimes. heres the the joy of trudging through hundreds if not thousands of hours of trying to find people i enjoy being with
>>215770If you're in a big city, unironically visit the other clubs. There will often be one club that's more or less the designated tardwrangler chuuni club (this is the one with pride flags all over out of season) and one or more that are more serious/chill/for middle aged men.
>>215822yeah, dying to move into the city which hopefully i will be doing at some point.. we are out in kind of a suburb area here, i dont even know why theres a hema place out here cuz its not that big of a sport, but suffice to say these people are particularly out there, i wouldnt be surprised if they are probably one of the more autistic groups. i bet any group ion the city would be better than this
actually I would really love to hear what any of you have to say about how many people in your club out of the whole are either autistic, chuni, or just largely struggle with social cues. If I can reasonably determine that my club in particular is unusually problematic then my faith in this sport will be restored and I will continue to work knowing that I should move to a different club once I have some money.for me, I would say out of a total of about 16 people, about 70 percent of them are tistic. the rest are chill people but the others are wearing on me a lot
>>215825My club literally has no tisming of this kind, people play warhams and elfgame in their free time but don't sperg about it and you're more likely to hear a convo about cars than 40k or an Imgur meme, let alone Tumblr.But my town is big enough it also contains a chuuni club, and a club of tourneyfags who seethe beyond measure at the idea of learning any historical technique or anything at all that won't give them immediate percentage in their bouts (both of these are splits from our older club, the trash taking itself out). So ours is the one non-retarded club.
>>215825>about 70 percent of them are tisticI go to a very big (by HEMA standards) North American school. I'd say your ratio is about the same I'm seeing with a sample size of over 100, split between archery, longsword, and rapier classes. Also been in and out since 2013, so have a time spread. Definitely more athletic and less strictly nerdy people than I remember when I first got into all this.
>>207668Court shoes in general are what you want. You're making rapid movements in diff directions and you won't damage the floor. So Asics are popular.Barefoot or no sole is mostly for emulating historical shoes.Boxing shoes/wrestling shoes are kind of the opposite of what you want as they are for stability and not designed for most hardwood court floors where hema takes place. But if you're a grapply boi then go for it and fuck the floors.The real important thing is to get what matches your drip.I have a pair of sambas, but I don't wear them for Hema.If you have problems rolling your ankles, then you might want something with ankle stability. So your basketball court shoes might be more your option.Or strengthen your ankles. Up to you.
>>215854At a club that big at least 70% sperglords gives you 30 sensible people to potentially hang out with, that's a mid-size club's worth. Anon would probably be satisfied with that since it means you can just stay in your normie cocoon and not interact witht he fuckups, raw numbers really do solve some things.
>>215895>>215854>>215828at any rate lads this is good information for me, thank you.
