>Schedule:https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnTicket/year_schedule/>Banzuke:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx>All the sumo links and how to watch live:https://rentry.org/uwbgc88dprevious thread >>208824Zak Defeats Onosato to win Meiji Jingu Autumn Grand Festival Sumo Title https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/20241016-216802/The sport of sumo, which holds such an eminent place in traditional Japanese culture, also has a strong connection to Shintoism.On the day before the start of a grand tournament, the head referee, dressed in the robes of a Shinto priest, conducts a Shinto ritual. The yokozuna performs his entrance ceremony wearing a thick, braided rope around his waist that resembles the sacred “shimenawa” rope displayed during the New Year holidays and on other occasions.Against such a historic background, ritual matches known as “hono sumo” are held nationwide in cooperation with major shrines.Tokyo’s Meiji Jingu shrine has a particularly deep relationship with the Japan Sumo Association. When a wrestler achieves promotion to the elite rank of yokozuna, it is Meiji Jingu where a special ceremony is held to mark the occasion. Later, the new yokozuna famously performs his first ring-entering ceremony in the plaza in front of the shrine’s main hall.Every year after the Autumn Grand Tournament, an event called the “All-Japan Sumo Wrestlers Competition” is held at Tokyo’s Ryogoku Kokugikan in celebration of the Meiji Jingu Autumn Grand Festival. The event has a long history, earning the title of sumo’s oldest tournament in Japan.
The event was launched in 1925 during the Taisho era (1912-1926). It has been canceled a number of times due to war or other reasons, so this year’s tournament on Sept. 30 was the 81st. Although translated as “competition,” the title in Japanese uses the character for “samurai” (which is also the “shi” in “rikishi,” or sumo wrestler) to imply that the participants are more than just ordinary athletes, giving it a deeper meaning.At the inaugural tournament, the 27th yokozuna Tochigiyama, who had just retired, made a special appearance. It is said that he defeated the active yokozuna to win the title, adding an anecdote to sumo history that would seem unthinkable today.Looking at a list of past champions, we see some of the biggest names in the sport’s history, from Futabayama to Taiho, from Kitanoumi to Chiyonofuji. Adding his name to such prestigious company was the champion of this year’s tournament, ozeki Kotozakura. With the absence of injured yokozuna Terunofuji, Kotozakura was the highest-ranked wrestler in the field, and lived up to the billing by defeating newly promoted ozeki Onosato in the final.Ironically, Kotozakura’s grandfather — a yokozuna who was the original Kotozakura — never won the tournament. As the current Kotozakura sported the armlet with a chrysanthemum crest awarded to the champion on his right bicep, he gleefully commented, “I’m happy I could add the name of Kotozakura [to the champions’ list].”The win came in the wake of a mediocre 8-7 record at the Autumn tourney. “I hope this will lead to success at the next grand tournament,” he said.I hope Kotozakura gained a sense of the sacredness created by the long history of the event, and comes back strong at the Kyushu Grand Tournament.
>>213766cute!
>>213766Congratulations [spoiler]on those GREAT new york boobs![/spoiler]
>>213767>At the inaugural tournament, the 27th yokozuna Tochigiyama, who had just retired, made a special appearance. It is said that he defeated the active yokozuna to win the title, adding an anecdote to sumo history that would seem unthinkable today.He did this again in an equivalent tournament 6 years later. Man was a monster.
>>213766The gods are on kotozakura's side
look who i met /b/
>>213801I need her to crush me.
I wonder how Hakuho is holding up after all the shit he's been through recently.
>>213803Would/will Hakuho be able to hypothetically beat the top-ranked ozeki/yokozuna 7 years after his retirement? Do we see him beating Onosato or Takerufuji in 2028?
>>213801she should stop with the chanko for a while...
just stumbled upon this 2009 documentaryhttps://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/51362/A-Normal-Life--Chronicle-of-a-sumo-wrestler
>>213803>stops wearing dresses>still carries a pursewhy
>>213822They're not dresses, they're aprons.
>>213822thats a $4000 wearable wallet
>>213833You should work in marketing.
>>213833Hokuseihou begins sweating.
>>213819Cheers. That was definitely worth a watch. Crazy how he says he can't do it for ten years like his elders, but now it's 16 years later and he's still going.
The wrestlers of Futagoyama stable are being closely covered on TVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKQXsR5DM-s
>>213819>>213844At the end of this it says he quit but he is still wrestling how did this work.
>>213860His stablemaster didn't officially submit retirement paperwork and he was convinced into coming back. Happens often with newcomers.
>>213860This >>213861 He didn't even miss a tournament.
>>213844Akiseyama sleeping through sex ed dreaming about food.
did the jsa take down their youtube?
>>213874https://www.youtube.com/@sumo-video?
Weird energy in the latest Futagoyama videocompared to Kise, who were all having a good timeall Kise needs to do now is add proper subtitles
>>213898Something's going down at Futagoyama-beya. There have been too many strange occurrences of late, none of which would be significant on their own, but all of them together is deeply suspicious. I'm expecting poor performance at the November basho and then an announcement of some kind afterwards.
>>213903>strange occurrencesLike what? Missing karaage? Mysterious wallet gluings in the night?
/sumo/ - Parasocial Conspiracy Theorists
>>213898>>213903They had one of their best basho last time. I think you guys are reading into things that aren’t there. I expect another good basho.
>>213907>Removal of the comment section on the videos>Multiple members of the stable getting severely reduced camera time>Unexplained change to the length of the delay in video releases, after a year or more of regular scheduleIf I had to guess, I'd say that Futagoyama is getting an official documentary on Japanese TV soon, and it's been quite a distraction as they try to keep it a surprise.
>>213887I could not find this shit for the life of me thank you
>>213913Boss Futagoyama might've done something pretty smart making them all famous on joutube, puts a lot of added pressure on them to perform in the ring. I wonder if that was intentional or just lucky
>>213918I have noticed tsukioka, keiga and souga haven’t gotten that much airtime lately … especially tsukioka.
>>213918It's pretty common for japanese companies to not allow youtube comments, you see this especially in the gaming industry where even their music has comments disabled. I'd say it's more of an outlier for them to even allow them to begin with.
>>213918>>213936Futagoyama IG always posts a pic related to the latest video and people keep commenting on it.
>>213936The cameraman for Futagoyama's channel also does camera work for Masahiro Higashide, who I gather is a relatively famous actor in Japan. Masahiro lives on a mountain and hunts bears and boars and the like, and then cooks them for Youtube in a similar format to Futagoyama's channel. A while back he came to the stable and cooked a meal for the boys in a crossover episode. Anyway, Masahiro's channel "Japanese hunter's meal" has just as many subscribers, a similar release schedule, and it still has the comments enabled as of the most recent video. This means that the decision to allow comments and community engagement was deliberate, which makes it odd that it should suddenly be removed. I'm not aware of any specific incident that sparked the change, so I must assume that the choice to do so is a result of something we (as viewers) haven't been made aware of.
>>213947There have always been at least a few "wow, koga sucks" comments in english on their videos so I doubt that's the reason. It's probably because japanese comments keep telling oyakata to lose weight or he's going to die.
>>213953>japanese comments keep telling oyakata to lose weight or he's going to diekek
I would just like to say that I want to plap Futagoyama Okami. No way oyakata can satisfy her.
>>213960She's got a whole stable full of high-test professional athletes, I'm sure she's satisfied.
Manlet gods, he won again
>>213960>>2139731 in 5 japanese cheated in their life, so she's probably having some on the side as well lol
>>213973I can see Koga and Kikuchi as prime affair material.>>213979That someone, me.
>Onosato coming into the next basho on the back of Ozeki partying and now an illness as wellOnobros...
How long until the banzuke again?
>>213982sure, but who is his competition? ozekis who deliver 8-7s, diabetic yokozuna who can't walk, fragile chicken legged sissies who skip leg day…
>>213984It's time for another stupid yusho where the san'yaku get humiliated by a ranker.
>>213984>>213989Wakatakakage is going to yusho. Screenshot this.
>>213989i hope that ranker will be Takerufuji...that is if he gets bumped back into makuuchi.>>21398328th
>>213991he was the beneficiary of a weak, outside the joi schedule last time, he has no chance this time
>>213994Do you think Wakatakakage is new or something? He's already proven he can hang with the joi and he shit on Onosato already.>>213984All the guys who beat him back in July I guess, the last time he had his little "B-BUT HE JUST WON A YUSHO" excuse all prepped.
>>213991I'd have more belief in Wakamotoharu
>>213909>WHAT? PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING A TOPIC??? CONSPIRACY!!!kys
>>213974He's a pretty smart fighter but he'd get knocked tf out in rizin
>>213984Kirishima yusho and return to ozeki.
>>213984Roga yushoplayoff vs Ura
>>214000someone not appearing in youtube videos as often as they used to is not a topic within the scope of "sumo"
>>214024I like Roga but he has a long way to go before he is sniffing a yusho. If he can’t get the belt he gets blown out.
>>214040I'll have to find out who this was. Can't recognize the face.
>>214040>>214049Wonder who it is.
>>214040>>214040>>214050
>>214050Okay, this looks to have been an ad campaign which ran exclusively in the Philippines, so there's only one online source which has these images: a Philippine advertising history facebook group which can't be accessed without an account. If that's where you got these, I have to assume the people in that group scanned them in. I can't find a fucking thing in Japanese sources, not even a passing mention.
>>214040the aerodynamic shape bit really gets me good
>>213994>>213997You’re right the former sekiwake who beat onosucko without henkaing like a bitch is just a flash in the pan rank and filer.
>>214074I don't have a dog in this race, nor do I hate Wankatakakage or Onoshitto, but it's worth remembering that some rikishi just have terrible matchups with each other. Dominating one man, however good he is, doesn't automatically translate to an overall domination of the division. Personally, I think WTK's career will peak at sekiwake, but I'm always happy to see someone exceed my expectations.
>>214074I wouldnt look for a repeat of that. Wakatakakage held on for dear life in that Onosato bout and his tenacity won out. It's not a match he wins even 3 times out of 10. Once, maybe.
>>214083>Once, maybe.No "maybe", I can tell you it definitely happened. Abi beat him too.
>>214086Yes, I know it happened. That's why I said it would be a repeat if it happened again- because, incredibly, I know that it happened and I phrased my language to contain an obvious implication of that fact, because I knew it happened. And saying Wakatakakage would win 1 in 10 matches means exactly that. That if he faced Onosato 10 times, he would lose 9 of them. That was my point. You saw the one. I said don't look for a repeat of that. Because, again, I know that it happened. God damn dude.
>>214091God, I love this phase of the between-basho period. You just don't get arguments like this in week 2 or week 5.
>>214091Wakatakakage will beat onosucko again this basho and yusho. When this happens I expect you to post an apology to WTK and admit you are a gayboy for doubting him.
Nah, it's another Kiribayama yusho
Post yer poses
>>214130
Do tokoyama in stables without sekitori still practice the oichomage on them or is that forbidden by the JSA?
>>214159I would assume they practice. It's not like there are many rules of decorum to what goes on inside a heya.
>>214194They still go to other stables and do the hair of sekitori, the stable is just where they live.
>>214159I wouldn't think that you're allowed to even think about doing one unless you're being supervised by a higher-ranked tokoyama.
>>214197But, logically, there's no incentive to punish a tokoyama nor are they public-facing enough for it to matter what they do in private. The NSK couldn't become worried that a tokoyama is getting a big head, or anything comparable to a wrestler.
Is buysumotickets dot com the ideal vendor to buy tickets from? comparing their prices to japanese sites they seem to be charging 20% on top, why are sumo tickets so expensive
>>214220There's a person on NattoSumo Discord who can allegedly get you cheaper tickets than BuySumoTickets.Honestly buying sumo tickets from the main website isn't even hard. Just use Google translate to choose the seat you want. When you land in Japan, go to any 7/11 and stammer out "ozumo ticketo" to the cashier and they'll print out your ticket. ezpz
>>214223>Honestly buying sumo tickets from the main website isn't even hardMaybe I just had trouble because I was trying to buy 3, but I had a hell of a lot of issues with the site not loading and error pages and stuff. The tickets sell really fast.
>>214128Boring ass wrestler
>>214225
>>214225>Boring ass wrestlerKirishima is a yotsu man in maybe the most push-focused era of sumo ever. You're only thinking of him as boring because so many of our recent greats have been yotsu specialists.
>>214232Don't watch "KIMARITE"! watch "MAESABAKI"! >>214234
>>214264Watching maesabaki also reinforces what I'm saying though.
Asahikuni is dead.
>>213846>>214290
>>214131Henka practice
>>214300>kicking the chest>throwing punches Wow how did Rikidozan get away with such blatant kinjite?
Teru is OUT for novemberAbsentee Yokozuna
>>214324We already knew that two months ago, keep up. It's going to keep being like this until he gets his elder stock.
>>214327Isegahama retires in July, Teru will probably coast until then. Maybe he will branch out and open his own stable, who knows?I think he still has one more yusho in him, though
>>214333That's what the assumption is, but there's always the possibility Isegahama could hand the stable off to someone else and stay on as a consultant for up to 5 more years. Don't forget Hakuho is with them now.
>>214300>>214322>not even sumo>STILL have the milk man refereeI can't escape him.
>>214333>Isegahama retires in July, Teru will probably coast until thenWhat incentive does Isegahama have to stay on until July if Teru is the intended successor? How possibly could he benefit, or would this be because of the Hakuhou complications?If Asahifuji were to go the sanyo route, he would technically no longer be 'in charge' of Isegahamabeya. Maybe there's some internal scramble to find a place for Miyagino and the lads because the NSK doesn't want him to be officially answering to Teru.
There's no chance Hakuho takes over the Isegahama name. He's already Miyagino, they'll let him reestablish that stable soon enough. Maybe even when Isegahama retires so him and Teru and kind of starting on an even foot. That would be nice.
>>214388*are kind of
>>214385>or would this be because of the Hakuhou complications?If Isegahama hands Teru the name and stable then it'd cause a situation where Teru is the stablemaster with three senior elders as his subordinates, and they don't want to just hand the stable entirely over to Hakuho because then it'd cause a situation where Hakuho inherits one of the largest and most powerful stables after being forcibly stripped of his stablemaster rights. Waiting until July is partially to see if they can justify letting Hakuho branch out again; if not then Isegahama might go to Homarefuji with Teru getting Tateyama, at least temporarily until either the Hakuho situation is resolved or Teru is able to start his own stable.
>>214397Miyabiyama next Isegahama Teru takes over the youtube channel
>>214391Seniority as an oyakata or not, Homarefuji is younger than Hakuhou.
>>214401Means nothing, he has seniority as an elder.
*teleports behind you*
>>214402I'm talking about the riji seeing this as a problem, not the general oyakata hierarchy.They're not stupid enough to try to present an oyakata who 1. is younger than Hakuhou and 2. has never run a heya before as being capable of inheriting the task of showing Hakuhou the ropes of running a heya.
I bought a mawashi from US Sumo and they included their program from this year's nationals. /ourguy/ was featured.
>>214419I miss the sleepy memes
>>214419He didn't actually say this.
>>214419>I bought a mawashiYour height and weight?
>>213819
>>214495Kino
>>214495Did they...? you know...
>>214524I can't confirm or deny this, but I happen to know that certain stables have baths that are large enough for up to four wrestlers at a time.
Just witnessed koga win a practice bout for the first time. I eagerly await his run for the belt.
>>214560Boy's looking chunky, maybe all he needs is ten or twenty more kilos to start climbing the banzuke.
>>214560Ah!
>>214581One more time!
>futagoyama chanko isn't just pork belly and chicken bouillon anymorelol I bet this has something to do with the comments
>Nishiiwa beya trolled massively by anonymous the latest chris video is lolsome
>>214593http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/44193-nishiiwa-beya-sns-crisis/fuck off retard
November banzuke is here!https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/
>>214592kotakiyama is the best cook and he always used decent amount of vegetables. I think it's Denuma and Soga who are really meat-only.also, the latest video is after aki basho obviously, but they disabled comments only 2 weeks ago.>>214605Takeru's back! with my boy Asakoryu in makuuchi, i'm getting quite excited for Kyushu now
>>214605>>214607>Takeru's back>Asakoryu in Makuuchi>Hakuoho decently high in juryo so there's a good chance he'll cameoShaping up to be an exciting basho
>>214605>Oshoumi doesn't go down despite a 6-9 at J14wlucky bastard
>>214605I'm surprised they chose Shodai for Komusubi, especially after he lost to Oho on day 15. Pretty weird.Also bottom Makuuchi looking fun to watch.
>>214607The issue with the cooking is the same as the issue with the stable as a whole, everyone there would be considered one of the kids at a more established stable, and there simply aren't any aging veterans to show them how it's done.
>>214613Part of the plan, simple as.
>>214615
How many days will Takerufuji last in makuuchi before his sissy girl legs fail him?
>>214605>chicken-legs back on makuuchiOh boy, there goes the quality of the threads down the drain.
>>214624You mean because of people like you and >>214621?
>>214625not our fault the dude refuses to work on his lower body. he has a long established pattern of lower body injuries because he refuses to put the effort required into working on that aspect of his body.
>>214626And yet he destroyed Shishi in the last bashoHow do you explain that
>>214621>>214624>>214626
Looking good
>>214629>mita goes to the top of the Futagoyama pecking order in one basholol
Futagoyama bros what’s going on with nobehara.
>>214629Kogabros... not like this...
>>214633>that other dude in the other thread saying Tsukioka is out, waiting for retirement>it's actually NobeharaIt's LITERALLY over for me, he is my favourite futabro...
>>214633>born 2002this nigga looks like hes 35
>>214633its nobeharover
>>214621He was actually OK with the lower makuuchi scrubs last time, it was Asanoyama who did him in. So he should last until sometime in week 2 again & get injured when and if he ends up facing top tier opposition. Asanoyama was pretty substantial competition last March.
>>214625No. But because people over-hype him as the next Yokozuna when in reality he won't even make it to Ozeki within a year from now.
>>214643stop posting
>>214633Here he is in the November banzuke. Hopefully, it's just updates being slow.
>>214643I'll take that betWhen you lose you post dick itt
>>214633he's probably in love lol; some anon saw him and some girl on a date on a random stream.>>214635that was me and Nobedog said he's having fun and he also gained some weight agian. It's still tsukioka, he even lost to Koga lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUgEUVIShC41987 TV special explaining sumo to the Japanese public, starring the Nichidai Sumo Club. Features a few minutes of footage of the rikishi doing weight training, sled training etc near the end. The main TV host mentions that seeing it surprised him and that it was different to what he'd seen before, and the Nichidai coach host talks about how they've been getting ideas and methods from American football - but he still thinks sumo's body weight training is all you really need to succeed. If nothing else, this is an interesting time capsule of changing eras.Tangential: the coach was later arrested for stealing millions of dollars and was an obvious yakuza affiliate.
>>214650
>>214605Takerufuji didn't convince the first time around. I think his yuusho was too easy. I am excited to see him again, and hopefully he will convert me to the Takeru camp.
>>214650not sure why you didn't mention coach's name directly, it's hidetoshi tanaka, but nice find.https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2024/01/17/sumo/hidetoshi-tanaka-controversial-legacy/
>>214652Even an easy yusho is hard, especially on your debut in the top division. I personally think he doesn't have the frame to last a long time at Ozeki, but I do think he'll get there relatively quickly.
>>214613The banzuke committee hates Takatoriki. It will take extra effort from Oho to make sanyaku.
when and where can i purchase the new banzuke?
>>214662He's the grandson of Taiho, theres no way they keep him out of sanyaku
>>214662>The banzuke committee hates Takatoriki. It will take extra effort from Oho to make sanyaku.Takatoriki claimed that and shut down his YT channel, but that's just a cope.Based on historical precedent, Shodai was always going to get the rank.Mathematically, Shodai, Wakatakakage, and Oho all had a claim on the rank.WTK is the first eliminated because he's not in the joi. Shodai and Oho would be equal in terms of rank and record, but Shodai is on the east side, which is first tiebreaker.Head-to-head records only come into play in the division-exchange matches.Yes, it sucks for us Oho fans, but he's not getting screwed as hard as it seems.
>>214678>Shodai and Oho would be equal in terms of rank and record, but Shodai is on the east sideOho was M2, Shodai was M4.
>>214678He did not shut down his youtube channel however
>>214675I don't think they'll do that. Any promotion decisions that are close enough will go against him, that's all. As long as dad is blabbing on youtube anyway.
>>214683Nevermind, didn't see his latest video until just now. Doesn't seem like he's made up his mind entirely but sad, I liked his stories.
keiga is getting new kicks lol
>>213939looks like a shot in an artsy thriller film, zooming in from a wide shot to reveal the villain was in the crowd the entire time, staring knowingly at the audience
>>214419new 'heiser just dropped
>>214679>rank AND recordAssume that an 8-7 KK translates to a 1 rank promotion, and a 9-6 to a 2 rank promotion, etcetera. If I am M6 and get a 9-6, I have an equal rank and record combination as someone who is M5 and gets an 8-7. If I instead get 10-5, I should always end up ahead of the M5 on the next banzuke. Obviously the process is messier than this in reality, but that's the general guideline that the banzuke makers are following. In this case, Shodai had a lower rank but a better record, which balanced out and made him theoretically tied with Oho.
>>214705AND means that both his rank AND record are better, but his rank isn't. You needed the word "combined" to make it unambiguous.
Does anyone here know of a satellite channel that airs live sumo to Europe? I know the NHK technically has one, but I believe it's the same as their online stream with very little sumo content. I was hoping someone would air the sekitori divisions at least.
>>214710Just watch the truncated Natto ones
>>214713I know of many ways to watch sumo, both live and recapped. I was just hoping the satellite my building has installed would be of some use as there basically aren't any high quality live streams at all. It's all just Abema thru VPN then thru Twitch or YT and by the time it gets to me it's ridiculously pixelated.
>>214719Only true and honest nihonjin are allowed to watch sumo in high quality. It's your own fault for being a foreign devil.
>>214693This should be the image for the first /sp/ thread when the Kyushu honbasho starts.
Zakbros dare I say it’s OUR TIME? The Kami are with zak this time around after winning the shrine tournament.
>>214742Sorry but Zak is going 8-7. Takerufuji will yusho and Onosato will JY.
>Hokuseiho banished>Battle Hamster deadit just won't feel right, you know?
The only hope for the forces of good this basho are the waka bros and skinny legs. Quatro Tetons and horseshitryu are washed and will continue to become more and more irrelevant in the coming year eventually being demoted. Onosuckos reign of terror must be stopped.
>>214773Shishi and Takerufuji will stun everyone during their bout on day 4, when a misstep causes them to assume the position and fuse together into Takerushi. Our new rikishi will combine the best of both men, Shishi's elephantine thighs with Takerufuji's speed and technique.
Which one of you weebs has the translation for the kise YouTube video where they give their chanko recipe. Of course it’s the only one not translated from moon runes to English.
I feel like Sumo would have more mass (lol) appeal if they reworked the rules to avoid the high body fat meta. Yeah sumochads know why they do it, but to normies they just look fat.
>shishi is getting trained by a womanlmao
>>214788Life imitates art
>>214787Appealing to normies is a heat haze and going down that road leads only to the destruction of everything that made the thing what it was
>>214787The bloatlord meta has nothing to do with the rules. There wasn't a rule change that suddenly made it more viable. It's simply a consequence of easier access to high-calorie foods over the last 40 to 50 years. Japanese men are larger on average than they used to be, and so are sumo wrestlers. If it had been possible to send your tsukebito down to McDonalds to buy you twenty burgers a hundred years ago, there would have been more bloatlords a hundred years ago.
>>214796I just think sumo would be more appreciated if it wasn’t known as “the fat guy sport”
>>214787they don't care about foreignersthey don't want foreigners involved in their society they want to sumo and the rest of japan to be and to remain exclusively japanese
>>214775Yeah? Well... prepare yourself to EL HERMANO of Onosato: Dosato.
>>214807The opinions of fools are worth nothing, anon.
>>214807Sumo is "the fat guy sport" because of its unique rules compared to other grappling sports; you cannot take that away without taking away sumo's uniqueness. Just look at how much judo had to change in order to be accepted as an international Olympic sport.
>>214742The humbling of KotozACKura fans has been incredibly satisfying.>next yokozuna!>*chokes*>well he could still get the playoff>*chokes*>ok he didn't win but he did good; they should promote him when he inevitably wins the next one>*chokes*>t-this year
>>214815Straight waffle How does being a fat retard make it unique again? You act like the Shinto traditions will disappear if they make a weight limit.
>>214818What next, weight classes? Fuck that nonsense. Sumo is great because it doesn't have lame shit like that.
>>214819Didn’t answer how how a weight limit would take away traditions
>>214818It's not just the Shinto rituals, it's the rules of the sport compared to other forms of grappling. Only the strictest variant of bokh is the same as sumo with not being allowed to touch the ground above the ankle (other variants allow touching with the knees or even a single hand, and Chinese Mongolian bokh is the same as wrestling where a fall only counts if their shoulder blades are on the ground) and bokh has no force-out victories. Sumo's victory conditions are unlike any other sport, and that's why sumo wrestlers look the way they do. You cannot force them to look differently without changing sumo's rules so they're more similar to other sports, robbing sumo's uniqueness.
>>214821Because it’s tradition retard. Why do libtards always want to change everything.
>>214817>the humbling of kotozakura fansYeah all 3 of them needed to be humbled koto gets no flowers from anyone he can go 9-0 and he still wouldn’t get talked about until the final day.
>>214823Ask yourself why you think someone arguing with you about sumo wrestling on 4chan has to be one of THEM.
>>214822Brother you a straight waffling there is nothing unique about being a fat retard the only thing unique about sumo is how fat you can get and push your opponent out. It’s not even grappling at this point it’s fat retards grappling each other and hoping they don’t fall.>>214823>I-Its tradition!
>>214827>themA K*rean?
>>214821>how a weight limit would take away traditionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2N-_p8wOdw&t=76shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeOxnVxkv3s&t=232shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tex_093B1fk&t=21s
>>214821>>214818Shinto window dressing aside, the true spirit of sumo is "the baddest dude wins." None of this gay pound-for-pound 'akshually the 110 pound guy would beat the 280 pound guy if they were hypothetically the same size because of magic' bullshit.
>>214829I'm saying there's no ontological enemy here for you to fight. Chill out and chat.
>>214830Not watching this shit how does a weight limit change the rules and the Shinto traditions of sumo.>>214831>The baddest dudeYou can’t find out who the baddest dude whenever people are abusing the rules or lack there for of. A lot of fat fuck pusher thrusters would probably never even make it to paid divisions if it weren’t for the weight crutch.
>>214836If you can't beat a fat fuck then you're not a bad enough dude, simple as.
>>214840The fat fuck has zero downside in a match if you touch the ground or go out and the ring is super small so the fat fuck just has to walk out the majority of wins show this.
>>214842So the fat fuck is better than the skinny twink manlet, obviously.
>>214842see >>214840
>>214831Mainoumi's elbow was down first
>>214787All the other answers are solid and judging by the subsequent discussion you're apparently a huge fag but for my part I just want to point out that seeing two immensely obese men smash into each other at high speed is half the enjoyment of the sport.
>>214840The fat is a crutch that actually reduces the skill level of the sport. Matches would be way better if there wasn't 300lbs of lard dragging them down. It's no different than strapping weights on, except way unhealthier. Also it actually fucking sucks to maintain that weight, especially if you are exercising as much as these guys do. Historical Sumo wrestlers weren't fat either, for obvious reasons.And if you're all about finding "the baddest dude", the fat fuck meta is more advantageous to short guys than taller, bigger guys.Just saying that there's a problem when the average rikishi makes powershitters look anorexic.
>>214849>you're apparently a huge fagsays the guy who loves "seeing two immensely obese men smash"
>>214851Sounds like a skill issue. Have you tried not being Dutch? That might help.
Goddamn this thread went to shitI'm outta here, fuck this
>>214855Ignore and post rikishi
>ITT: anons advocate for changes to a traditional sport regulated by one of the most stagnant organizations in the world
IT'S NOT A FUCKING SPORT!!!!
>>214836>>214851>whenever people are abusing the rules or lack there for of>Historical Sumo wrestlers weren't fat either, for obvious reasonsA weight class tourist fag who doesn't know the history of the sport he claims to like. Many such cases.>The musclebound body of Tochigiyama on the right ought to be taken as a model by today's modern rikishi, whereas Wakahitachi seen on the left has a body like that of Umegatani - one that is too heavy for him and which produces many weaknesses. Indeed his is a body of a bygone age but, with a great deal of effort, it is all too easy to imagine he might redeem himself yet. -"Heroic World", Summer issue of 1920, special sumo photography edition
>>214851>Sumotori or Wrestlers, English, 1866–1867
>>214859Cherry picking
Even feudal art consistently depicted sumo wrestlers as bloatlords. Having big bulky fat guys winning sumo championships was a great way for feudal lords to show off how much food their domains could grow, which was still an important source of wealth in the feudal days when the shogun controlled international trade.
>>214862This is actually an important point, we have hard data showing that average sumo wrestler weight dropped significantly following the demise of the feudal system. With a lack of backing from daimyo and rich samurai, sumo wrestlers had to scramble for support, everyone became more centralized in Tokyo and to a lesser extent Osaka until they merged, and weights were lowered due to less abundance of wealth and the food that came with it. Average wrestler mass bottomed out just before WW1, and while it steadily improved after WW1 it didn't fully recover to feudal levels until the 80s bubble.
>>214865While I agree with the general sentiment, I would be cautious to take any primary source from the 1700s at face value, especially considering that the fantastic recorded heights and weights usually survived because they were public-facing. The theory is a lot like WWE heights and weights: you get people to show up by billing your talent as absolute giants.I wouldn't be surprised if feudal rikishi were fat as fuck, but it seems implausible that there were any Konishikis.
Instead of female sumo they should make Keijo real
>>214867>it seems implausible that there were any KonishikisNow THAT'S cherry picking. We're not talking abut one freak Ozeki, but rikishi in general.
Does anyone here practice/train sumo? Just curious since I’ve never heard of a sumo gym in the USA.>>214858Yeah ok buddy get in line with the Capoeira and Kung Fu fags
>>214871Tourist.
>>214871>Just curious since I’ve never heard of a sumo gym in the USA.https://www.ussumo.org/map
>>214872To this thread? Yeah lol
>>214870Well, you equated feudal levels with the "80s bubble", it seemed fair to invoke the focal point of the fatness controversy in the 80s. Here are Takamiyama and Asashio. All I'm saying is to treat historical ad copy with the same skepticism as you treat modern ad copy.
>>214877If there's one thing sumo needs it's more sideburns like that.
>>214877I wasn't that Anon, and you're not wrong about that, but my point stands. You don't have to be Konishiki to be fat. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
>>214885>You don't have to be Konishiki to be fat.You're right, but that wasn't what we were discussing, since even Hak and Kak are fat by conventional standards. The current wave of the fatness controversy in sumo really started with Konishiki and hasn't gone away like previous ones did.For example, there wasn't much bitching in the 60s about Taihou being fat, despite him usually being one of the heaviest men in sumo.
>>214877Even if something's exaggerated to sell more tickets, you have to have something to base your exaggeration on. It would take some serious work to bulk a wrestler up to 350-450 pounds in feudal Japan, but feudal Japan was exactly the sort of batshit insane place led by batshit insane warlords where something like that would be possible. Whether the bloatlords of yore were anywhere near as good at fighting as the steroid-assisted bloatlords of today is another matter.
>>214886So you were discussing who then? Dewanojo? No one else is that fat.
>>214867>>214877Konishiki was an outlier among outliers, I was talking about general averages in the top division.
Everyone that wants weightclasses in the sport of sumo is a DYEL twink faggot lusting for more Chiyonofuj types to fantasize to while they fuck themselves.
>>214907No need to project this hard.
>>214867I agree in spirit but as others have said, that's what we would say about Hakuho if he wrestled in any other era.
>>214882>If there's one thing sumo needs it's more sideburns like that.I thought that went out the window with the facial hair ban, but my memory was wrong. Apparently no one wants to wear them.
>>214945Let's be realistic - how many of them can even grow proper sideburns?
>>214888>>214895>So you were discussing who then? Dewanojo? In 1988, there were 25 rikishi over 140 kg in makuuchi. In 1938, there were 2.There was not such a lack of food in Japan at what was nearing the peak size of the Japanese empire as to not allow the average rikishi to reach what would have been the average size of a well-fed athlete 200 years earlier. The size of those rikishi 200 years earlier, then, would not have been the 200 cm 160 kg business you find in old primary sources. That's what I was trying to convey; I meant to use Konishiki as hyperbole.
>>214951>There was not such a lack of food in JapanThe question wasn't lack of food, the question was ability of sumo wrestlers to acquire it. Where are more resources going in 1938, sumo wrestlers or the military? For that matter, where are most able-bodied men going, sumo or the military? Even with sumo being imperial propaganda at the time, all they needed was for the sanyaku, especially yokozuna, to look good, while the rank and file maegashira don't need as much attention because they would want the yokozuna to look strong.
>>214951>Even with sumo being imperial propaganda at the time, all they needed was for the sanyaku, especially yokozuna, to look goodAnd those sanyaku still weighed 30 kg less than Maruyama? 197 cm, 161 kg?
>>214953pic
>>214945I can only think of Chiyotairyu in recent years, and his sideburns got less prominent as he got older.
>>214953I don't know why you're pretending to be shocked that the bulk of the resources in a wartime empire are going to the imperial war.
>>214956I picked 38 for the clean difference of 50 years. My original comp was 1928 - which still has only 2 above 140 kg, and a slightly lower average weight overall.
>>214957
>>214752Don't worry, Shishi is in Makuuchi to fulfill the role
>>214959I can't wait for the Roga matchup
>>214907Or actual grappling enjoyers that would love to see technique instead of fat fucks having shoving matches.
>>214978If you're a technique enjoyer, why aren't you watching judo or greco-roman or freestyle instead of the designated fat fuck sport?
>>214980https://youtu.be/BPrNpwMZQnIBecause I enjoy the tradition more than the sport it could be so much better.
>>214978https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvEQ6yvHjUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiXyoAvk0bg&t=326sNo reason we can't have technical grappling matches instead of shoving matches. Has nothing to do with weight. Pushing is simply easier to teach and learn.
>>214978Shoving is a technique.
