>Schedule:https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnTicket/year_schedule/>Banzuke:http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx>All the sumo links and how to watch live:https://rentry.org/uwbgc88dprevious thread >>208824Zak Defeats Onosato to win Meiji Jingu Autumn Grand Festival Sumo Title https://japannews.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/sumo/20241016-216802/The sport of sumo, which holds such an eminent place in traditional Japanese culture, also has a strong connection to Shintoism.On the day before the start of a grand tournament, the head referee, dressed in the robes of a Shinto priest, conducts a Shinto ritual. The yokozuna performs his entrance ceremony wearing a thick, braided rope around his waist that resembles the sacred “shimenawa” rope displayed during the New Year holidays and on other occasions.Against such a historic background, ritual matches known as “hono sumo” are held nationwide in cooperation with major shrines.Tokyo’s Meiji Jingu shrine has a particularly deep relationship with the Japan Sumo Association. When a wrestler achieves promotion to the elite rank of yokozuna, it is Meiji Jingu where a special ceremony is held to mark the occasion. Later, the new yokozuna famously performs his first ring-entering ceremony in the plaza in front of the shrine’s main hall.Every year after the Autumn Grand Tournament, an event called the “All-Japan Sumo Wrestlers Competition” is held at Tokyo’s Ryogoku Kokugikan in celebration of the Meiji Jingu Autumn Grand Festival. The event has a long history, earning the title of sumo’s oldest tournament in Japan.
The event was launched in 1925 during the Taisho era (1912-1926). It has been canceled a number of times due to war or other reasons, so this year’s tournament on Sept. 30 was the 81st. Although translated as “competition,” the title in Japanese uses the character for “samurai” (which is also the “shi” in “rikishi,” or sumo wrestler) to imply that the participants are more than just ordinary athletes, giving it a deeper meaning.At the inaugural tournament, the 27th yokozuna Tochigiyama, who had just retired, made a special appearance. It is said that he defeated the active yokozuna to win the title, adding an anecdote to sumo history that would seem unthinkable today.Looking at a list of past champions, we see some of the biggest names in the sport’s history, from Futabayama to Taiho, from Kitanoumi to Chiyonofuji. Adding his name to such prestigious company was the champion of this year’s tournament, ozeki Kotozakura. With the absence of injured yokozuna Terunofuji, Kotozakura was the highest-ranked wrestler in the field, and lived up to the billing by defeating newly promoted ozeki Onosato in the final.Ironically, Kotozakura’s grandfather — a yokozuna who was the original Kotozakura — never won the tournament. As the current Kotozakura sported the armlet with a chrysanthemum crest awarded to the champion on his right bicep, he gleefully commented, “I’m happy I could add the name of Kotozakura [to the champions’ list].”The win came in the wake of a mediocre 8-7 record at the Autumn tourney. “I hope this will lead to success at the next grand tournament,” he said.I hope Kotozakura gained a sense of the sacredness created by the long history of the event, and comes back strong at the Kyushu Grand Tournament.
>>213766cute!
>>213766Congratulations [spoiler]on those GREAT new york boobs![/spoiler]
>>213767>At the inaugural tournament, the 27th yokozuna Tochigiyama, who had just retired, made a special appearance. It is said that he defeated the active yokozuna to win the title, adding an anecdote to sumo history that would seem unthinkable today.He did this again in an equivalent tournament 6 years later. Man was a monster.
>>213766The gods are on kotozakura's side
look who i met /b/
>>213801I need her to crush me.
I wonder how Hakuho is holding up after all the shit he's been through recently.
>>213803Would/will Hakuho be able to hypothetically beat the top-ranked ozeki/yokozuna 7 years after his retirement? Do we see him beating Onosato or Takerufuji in 2028?
>>213801she should stop with the chanko for a while...
just stumbled upon this 2009 documentaryhttps://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/51362/A-Normal-Life--Chronicle-of-a-sumo-wrestler
>>213803>stops wearing dresses>still carries a pursewhy
>>213822They're not dresses, they're aprons.
>>213822thats a $4000 wearable wallet
>>213833You should work in marketing.
>>213833Hokuseihou begins sweating.
>>213819Cheers. That was definitely worth a watch. Crazy how he says he can't do it for ten years like his elders, but now it's 16 years later and he's still going.
The wrestlers of Futagoyama stable are being closely covered on TVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKQXsR5DM-s
>>213819>>213844At the end of this it says he quit but he is still wrestling how did this work.
>>213860His stablemaster didn't officially submit retirement paperwork and he was convinced into coming back. Happens often with newcomers.
>>213860This >>213861 He didn't even miss a tournament.
>>213844Akiseyama sleeping through sex ed dreaming about food.
did the jsa take down their youtube?
>>213874https://www.youtube.com/@sumo-video?
Weird energy in the latest Futagoyama videocompared to Kise, who were all having a good timeall Kise needs to do now is add proper subtitles
>>213898Something's going down at Futagoyama-beya. There have been too many strange occurrences of late, none of which would be significant on their own, but all of them together is deeply suspicious. I'm expecting poor performance at the November basho and then an announcement of some kind afterwards.
>>213903>strange occurrencesLike what? Missing karaage? Mysterious wallet gluings in the night?
/sumo/ - Parasocial Conspiracy Theorists
>>213898>>213903They had one of their best basho last time. I think you guys are reading into things that aren’t there. I expect another good basho.
>>213907>Removal of the comment section on the videos>Multiple members of the stable getting severely reduced camera time>Unexplained change to the length of the delay in video releases, after a year or more of regular scheduleIf I had to guess, I'd say that Futagoyama is getting an official documentary on Japanese TV soon, and it's been quite a distraction as they try to keep it a surprise.
>>213887I could not find this shit for the life of me thank you
>>213913Boss Futagoyama might've done something pretty smart making them all famous on joutube, puts a lot of added pressure on them to perform in the ring. I wonder if that was intentional or just lucky
>>213918I have noticed tsukioka, keiga and souga haven’t gotten that much airtime lately … especially tsukioka.
>>213918It's pretty common for japanese companies to not allow youtube comments, you see this especially in the gaming industry where even their music has comments disabled. I'd say it's more of an outlier for them to even allow them to begin with.
>>213918>>213936Futagoyama IG always posts a pic related to the latest video and people keep commenting on it.
>>213936The cameraman for Futagoyama's channel also does camera work for Masahiro Higashide, who I gather is a relatively famous actor in Japan. Masahiro lives on a mountain and hunts bears and boars and the like, and then cooks them for Youtube in a similar format to Futagoyama's channel. A while back he came to the stable and cooked a meal for the boys in a crossover episode. Anyway, Masahiro's channel "Japanese hunter's meal" has just as many subscribers, a similar release schedule, and it still has the comments enabled as of the most recent video. This means that the decision to allow comments and community engagement was deliberate, which makes it odd that it should suddenly be removed. I'm not aware of any specific incident that sparked the change, so I must assume that the choice to do so is a result of something we (as viewers) haven't been made aware of.
>>213947There have always been at least a few "wow, koga sucks" comments in english on their videos so I doubt that's the reason. It's probably because japanese comments keep telling oyakata to lose weight or he's going to die.
>>213953>japanese comments keep telling oyakata to lose weight or he's going to diekek
I would just like to say that I want to plap Futagoyama Okami. No way oyakata can satisfy her.
>>213960She's got a whole stable full of high-test professional athletes, I'm sure she's satisfied.
Manlet gods, he won again
>>213960>>2139731 in 5 japanese cheated in their life, so she's probably having some on the side as well lol
>>213973I can see Koga and Kikuchi as prime affair material.>>213979That someone, me.
>Onosato coming into the next basho on the back of Ozeki partying and now an illness as wellOnobros...
How long until the banzuke again?
>>213982sure, but who is his competition? ozekis who deliver 8-7s, diabetic yokozuna who can't walk, fragile chicken legged sissies who skip leg day…
>>213984It's time for another stupid yusho where the san'yaku get humiliated by a ranker.
>>213984>>213989Wakatakakage is going to yusho. Screenshot this.
>>213989i hope that ranker will be Takerufuji...that is if he gets bumped back into makuuchi.>>21398328th
>>213991he was the beneficiary of a weak, outside the joi schedule last time, he has no chance this time
>>213994Do you think Wakatakakage is new or something? He's already proven he can hang with the joi and he shit on Onosato already.>>213984All the guys who beat him back in July I guess, the last time he had his little "B-BUT HE JUST WON A YUSHO" excuse all prepped.
>>213991I'd have more belief in Wakamotoharu
>>213909>WHAT? PEOPLE ARE DISCUSSING A TOPIC??? CONSPIRACY!!!kys
>>213974He's a pretty smart fighter but he'd get knocked tf out in rizin
>>213984Kirishima yusho and return to ozeki.
>>213984Roga yushoplayoff vs Ura
>>214000someone not appearing in youtube videos as often as they used to is not a topic within the scope of "sumo"
>>214024I like Roga but he has a long way to go before he is sniffing a yusho. If he can’t get the belt he gets blown out.
>>214040I'll have to find out who this was. Can't recognize the face.
>>214040>>214049Wonder who it is.
>>214040>>214040>>214050
>>214050Okay, this looks to have been an ad campaign which ran exclusively in the Philippines, so there's only one online source which has these images: a Philippine advertising history facebook group which can't be accessed without an account. If that's where you got these, I have to assume the people in that group scanned them in. I can't find a fucking thing in Japanese sources, not even a passing mention.
>>214040the aerodynamic shape bit really gets me good
>>213994>>213997You’re right the former sekiwake who beat onosucko without henkaing like a bitch is just a flash in the pan rank and filer.
>>214074I don't have a dog in this race, nor do I hate Wankatakakage or Onoshitto, but it's worth remembering that some rikishi just have terrible matchups with each other. Dominating one man, however good he is, doesn't automatically translate to an overall domination of the division. Personally, I think WTK's career will peak at sekiwake, but I'm always happy to see someone exceed my expectations.
>>214074I wouldnt look for a repeat of that. Wakatakakage held on for dear life in that Onosato bout and his tenacity won out. It's not a match he wins even 3 times out of 10. Once, maybe.
>>214083>Once, maybe.No "maybe", I can tell you it definitely happened. Abi beat him too.
>>214086Yes, I know it happened. That's why I said it would be a repeat if it happened again- because, incredibly, I know that it happened and I phrased my language to contain an obvious implication of that fact, because I knew it happened. And saying Wakatakakage would win 1 in 10 matches means exactly that. That if he faced Onosato 10 times, he would lose 9 of them. That was my point. You saw the one. I said don't look for a repeat of that. Because, again, I know that it happened. God damn dude.
>>214091God, I love this phase of the between-basho period. You just don't get arguments like this in week 2 or week 5.
>>214091Wakatakakage will beat onosucko again this basho and yusho. When this happens I expect you to post an apology to WTK and admit you are a gayboy for doubting him.
Nah, it's another Kiribayama yusho
Post yer poses
>>214130
Do tokoyama in stables without sekitori still practice the oichomage on them or is that forbidden by the JSA?
>>214159I would assume they practice. It's not like there are many rules of decorum to what goes on inside a heya.
>>214194They still go to other stables and do the hair of sekitori, the stable is just where they live.
>>214159I wouldn't think that you're allowed to even think about doing one unless you're being supervised by a higher-ranked tokoyama.
>>214197But, logically, there's no incentive to punish a tokoyama nor are they public-facing enough for it to matter what they do in private. The NSK couldn't become worried that a tokoyama is getting a big head, or anything comparable to a wrestler.
Is buysumotickets dot com the ideal vendor to buy tickets from? comparing their prices to japanese sites they seem to be charging 20% on top, why are sumo tickets so expensive
>>214220There's a person on NattoSumo Discord who can allegedly get you cheaper tickets than BuySumoTickets.Honestly buying sumo tickets from the main website isn't even hard. Just use Google translate to choose the seat you want. When you land in Japan, go to any 7/11 and stammer out "ozumo ticketo" to the cashier and they'll print out your ticket. ezpz
>>214223>Honestly buying sumo tickets from the main website isn't even hardMaybe I just had trouble because I was trying to buy 3, but I had a hell of a lot of issues with the site not loading and error pages and stuff. The tickets sell really fast.
>>214128Boring ass wrestler
>>214225
>>214225>Boring ass wrestlerKirishima is a yotsu man in maybe the most push-focused era of sumo ever. You're only thinking of him as boring because so many of our recent greats have been yotsu specialists.
>>214232Don't watch "KIMARITE"! watch "MAESABAKI"! >>214234
>>214264Watching maesabaki also reinforces what I'm saying though.
Asahikuni is dead.
>>213846>>214290
>>214131Henka practice
>>214300>kicking the chest>throwing punches Wow how did Rikidozan get away with such blatant kinjite?
Teru is OUT for novemberAbsentee Yokozuna
>>214324We already knew that two months ago, keep up. It's going to keep being like this until he gets his elder stock.
>>214327Isegahama retires in July, Teru will probably coast until then. Maybe he will branch out and open his own stable, who knows?I think he still has one more yusho in him, though
>>214333That's what the assumption is, but there's always the possibility Isegahama could hand the stable off to someone else and stay on as a consultant for up to 5 more years. Don't forget Hakuho is with them now.
>>214300>>214322>not even sumo>STILL have the milk man refereeI can't escape him.
>>214333>Isegahama retires in July, Teru will probably coast until thenWhat incentive does Isegahama have to stay on until July if Teru is the intended successor? How possibly could he benefit, or would this be because of the Hakuhou complications?If Asahifuji were to go the sanyo route, he would technically no longer be 'in charge' of Isegahamabeya. Maybe there's some internal scramble to find a place for Miyagino and the lads because the NSK doesn't want him to be officially answering to Teru.
There's no chance Hakuho takes over the Isegahama name. He's already Miyagino, they'll let him reestablish that stable soon enough. Maybe even when Isegahama retires so him and Teru and kind of starting on an even foot. That would be nice.
>>214388*are kind of
>>214385>or would this be because of the Hakuhou complications?If Isegahama hands Teru the name and stable then it'd cause a situation where Teru is the stablemaster with three senior elders as his subordinates, and they don't want to just hand the stable entirely over to Hakuho because then it'd cause a situation where Hakuho inherits one of the largest and most powerful stables after being forcibly stripped of his stablemaster rights. Waiting until July is partially to see if they can justify letting Hakuho branch out again; if not then Isegahama might go to Homarefuji with Teru getting Tateyama, at least temporarily until either the Hakuho situation is resolved or Teru is able to start his own stable.
>>214397Miyabiyama next Isegahama Teru takes over the youtube channel
>>214391Seniority as an oyakata or not, Homarefuji is younger than Hakuhou.
>>214401Means nothing, he has seniority as an elder.
*teleports behind you*
>>214402I'm talking about the riji seeing this as a problem, not the general oyakata hierarchy.They're not stupid enough to try to present an oyakata who 1. is younger than Hakuhou and 2. has never run a heya before as being capable of inheriting the task of showing Hakuhou the ropes of running a heya.
I bought a mawashi from US Sumo and they included their program from this year's nationals. /ourguy/ was featured.
>>214419I miss the sleepy memes
>>214419He didn't actually say this.
>>214419>I bought a mawashiYour height and weight?
>>213819
>>214495Kino
>>214495Did they...? you know...
>>214524I can't confirm or deny this, but I happen to know that certain stables have baths that are large enough for up to four wrestlers at a time.
Just witnessed koga win a practice bout for the first time. I eagerly await his run for the belt.
>>214560Boy's looking chunky, maybe all he needs is ten or twenty more kilos to start climbing the banzuke.
>>214560Ah!
>>214581One more time!
>futagoyama chanko isn't just pork belly and chicken bouillon anymorelol I bet this has something to do with the comments
>Nishiiwa beya trolled massively by anonymous the latest chris video is lolsome
>>214593http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/44193-nishiiwa-beya-sns-crisis/fuck off retard
November banzuke is here!https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/
>>214592kotakiyama is the best cook and he always used decent amount of vegetables. I think it's Denuma and Soga who are really meat-only.also, the latest video is after aki basho obviously, but they disabled comments only 2 weeks ago.>>214605Takeru's back! with my boy Asakoryu in makuuchi, i'm getting quite excited for Kyushu now
>>214605>>214607>Takeru's back>Asakoryu in Makuuchi>Hakuoho decently high in juryo so there's a good chance he'll cameoShaping up to be an exciting basho
>>214605>Oshoumi doesn't go down despite a 6-9 at J14wlucky bastard
>>214605I'm surprised they chose Shodai for Komusubi, especially after he lost to Oho on day 15. Pretty weird.Also bottom Makuuchi looking fun to watch.
>>214607The issue with the cooking is the same as the issue with the stable as a whole, everyone there would be considered one of the kids at a more established stable, and there simply aren't any aging veterans to show them how it's done.
>>214613Part of the plan, simple as.
>>214615
How many days will Takerufuji last in makuuchi before his sissy girl legs fail him?
>>214605>chicken-legs back on makuuchiOh boy, there goes the quality of the threads down the drain.
>>214624You mean because of people like you and >>214621?
>>214625not our fault the dude refuses to work on his lower body. he has a long established pattern of lower body injuries because he refuses to put the effort required into working on that aspect of his body.
>>214626And yet he destroyed Shishi in the last bashoHow do you explain that
>>214621>>214624>>214626
Looking good
>>214629>mita goes to the top of the Futagoyama pecking order in one basholol
Futagoyama bros what’s going on with nobehara.
>>214629Kogabros... not like this...
>>214633>that other dude in the other thread saying Tsukioka is out, waiting for retirement>it's actually NobeharaIt's LITERALLY over for me, he is my favourite futabro...
>>214633>born 2002this nigga looks like hes 35
>>214633its nobeharover
>>214621He was actually OK with the lower makuuchi scrubs last time, it was Asanoyama who did him in. So he should last until sometime in week 2 again & get injured when and if he ends up facing top tier opposition. Asanoyama was pretty substantial competition last March.
>>214625No. But because people over-hype him as the next Yokozuna when in reality he won't even make it to Ozeki within a year from now.
>>214643stop posting
>>214633Here he is in the November banzuke. Hopefully, it's just updates being slow.
>>214643I'll take that betWhen you lose you post dick itt
>>214633he's probably in love lol; some anon saw him and some girl on a date on a random stream.>>214635that was me and Nobedog said he's having fun and he also gained some weight agian. It's still tsukioka, he even lost to Koga lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUgEUVIShC41987 TV special explaining sumo to the Japanese public, starring the Nichidai Sumo Club. Features a few minutes of footage of the rikishi doing weight training, sled training etc near the end. The main TV host mentions that seeing it surprised him and that it was different to what he'd seen before, and the Nichidai coach host talks about how they've been getting ideas and methods from American football - but he still thinks sumo's body weight training is all you really need to succeed. If nothing else, this is an interesting time capsule of changing eras.Tangential: the coach was later arrested for stealing millions of dollars and was an obvious yakuza affiliate.
>>214650
>>214605Takerufuji didn't convince the first time around. I think his yuusho was too easy. I am excited to see him again, and hopefully he will convert me to the Takeru camp.
>>214650not sure why you didn't mention coach's name directly, it's hidetoshi tanaka, but nice find.https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2024/01/17/sumo/hidetoshi-tanaka-controversial-legacy/
>>214652Even an easy yusho is hard, especially on your debut in the top division. I personally think he doesn't have the frame to last a long time at Ozeki, but I do think he'll get there relatively quickly.
>>214613The banzuke committee hates Takatoriki. It will take extra effort from Oho to make sanyaku.
when and where can i purchase the new banzuke?
>>214662He's the grandson of Taiho, theres no way they keep him out of sanyaku
>>214662>The banzuke committee hates Takatoriki. It will take extra effort from Oho to make sanyaku.Takatoriki claimed that and shut down his YT channel, but that's just a cope.Based on historical precedent, Shodai was always going to get the rank.Mathematically, Shodai, Wakatakakage, and Oho all had a claim on the rank.WTK is the first eliminated because he's not in the joi. Shodai and Oho would be equal in terms of rank and record, but Shodai is on the east side, which is first tiebreaker.Head-to-head records only come into play in the division-exchange matches.Yes, it sucks for us Oho fans, but he's not getting screwed as hard as it seems.
>>214678>Shodai and Oho would be equal in terms of rank and record, but Shodai is on the east sideOho was M2, Shodai was M4.
>>214678He did not shut down his youtube channel however
>>214675I don't think they'll do that. Any promotion decisions that are close enough will go against him, that's all. As long as dad is blabbing on youtube anyway.
>>214683Nevermind, didn't see his latest video until just now. Doesn't seem like he's made up his mind entirely but sad, I liked his stories.
keiga is getting new kicks lol
>>213939looks like a shot in an artsy thriller film, zooming in from a wide shot to reveal the villain was in the crowd the entire time, staring knowingly at the audience
>>214419new 'heiser just dropped
>>214679>rank AND recordAssume that an 8-7 KK translates to a 1 rank promotion, and a 9-6 to a 2 rank promotion, etcetera. If I am M6 and get a 9-6, I have an equal rank and record combination as someone who is M5 and gets an 8-7. If I instead get 10-5, I should always end up ahead of the M5 on the next banzuke. Obviously the process is messier than this in reality, but that's the general guideline that the banzuke makers are following. In this case, Shodai had a lower rank but a better record, which balanced out and made him theoretically tied with Oho.
>>214705AND means that both his rank AND record are better, but his rank isn't. You needed the word "combined" to make it unambiguous.
Does anyone here know of a satellite channel that airs live sumo to Europe? I know the NHK technically has one, but I believe it's the same as their online stream with very little sumo content. I was hoping someone would air the sekitori divisions at least.
>>214710Just watch the truncated Natto ones
>>214713I know of many ways to watch sumo, both live and recapped. I was just hoping the satellite my building has installed would be of some use as there basically aren't any high quality live streams at all. It's all just Abema thru VPN then thru Twitch or YT and by the time it gets to me it's ridiculously pixelated.
>>214719Only true and honest nihonjin are allowed to watch sumo in high quality. It's your own fault for being a foreign devil.
>>214693This should be the image for the first /sp/ thread when the Kyushu honbasho starts.
Zakbros dare I say it’s OUR TIME? The Kami are with zak this time around after winning the shrine tournament.
>>214742Sorry but Zak is going 8-7. Takerufuji will yusho and Onosato will JY.
>Hokuseiho banished>Battle Hamster deadit just won't feel right, you know?
The only hope for the forces of good this basho are the waka bros and skinny legs. Quatro Tetons and horseshitryu are washed and will continue to become more and more irrelevant in the coming year eventually being demoted. Onosuckos reign of terror must be stopped.
>>214773Shishi and Takerufuji will stun everyone during their bout on day 4, when a misstep causes them to assume the position and fuse together into Takerushi. Our new rikishi will combine the best of both men, Shishi's elephantine thighs with Takerufuji's speed and technique.
Which one of you weebs has the translation for the kise YouTube video where they give their chanko recipe. Of course it’s the only one not translated from moon runes to English.
I feel like Sumo would have more mass (lol) appeal if they reworked the rules to avoid the high body fat meta. Yeah sumochads know why they do it, but to normies they just look fat.
>shishi is getting trained by a womanlmao
>>214788Life imitates art
>>214787Appealing to normies is a heat haze and going down that road leads only to the destruction of everything that made the thing what it was
>>214787The bloatlord meta has nothing to do with the rules. There wasn't a rule change that suddenly made it more viable. It's simply a consequence of easier access to high-calorie foods over the last 40 to 50 years. Japanese men are larger on average than they used to be, and so are sumo wrestlers. If it had been possible to send your tsukebito down to McDonalds to buy you twenty burgers a hundred years ago, there would have been more bloatlords a hundred years ago.
>>214796I just think sumo would be more appreciated if it wasn’t known as “the fat guy sport”
>>214787they don't care about foreignersthey don't want foreigners involved in their society they want to sumo and the rest of japan to be and to remain exclusively japanese
>>214775Yeah? Well... prepare yourself to EL HERMANO of Onosato: Dosato.
>>214807The opinions of fools are worth nothing, anon.
>>214807Sumo is "the fat guy sport" because of its unique rules compared to other grappling sports; you cannot take that away without taking away sumo's uniqueness. Just look at how much judo had to change in order to be accepted as an international Olympic sport.
>>214742The humbling of KotozACKura fans has been incredibly satisfying.>next yokozuna!>*chokes*>well he could still get the playoff>*chokes*>ok he didn't win but he did good; they should promote him when he inevitably wins the next one>*chokes*>t-this year
>>214815Straight waffle How does being a fat retard make it unique again? You act like the Shinto traditions will disappear if they make a weight limit.
>>214818What next, weight classes? Fuck that nonsense. Sumo is great because it doesn't have lame shit like that.
>>214819Didn’t answer how how a weight limit would take away traditions
>>214818It's not just the Shinto rituals, it's the rules of the sport compared to other forms of grappling. Only the strictest variant of bokh is the same as sumo with not being allowed to touch the ground above the ankle (other variants allow touching with the knees or even a single hand, and Chinese Mongolian bokh is the same as wrestling where a fall only counts if their shoulder blades are on the ground) and bokh has no force-out victories. Sumo's victory conditions are unlike any other sport, and that's why sumo wrestlers look the way they do. You cannot force them to look differently without changing sumo's rules so they're more similar to other sports, robbing sumo's uniqueness.
>>214821Because it’s tradition retard. Why do libtards always want to change everything.
>>214817>the humbling of kotozakura fansYeah all 3 of them needed to be humbled koto gets no flowers from anyone he can go 9-0 and he still wouldn’t get talked about until the final day.
>>214823Ask yourself why you think someone arguing with you about sumo wrestling on 4chan has to be one of THEM.
>>214822Brother you a straight waffling there is nothing unique about being a fat retard the only thing unique about sumo is how fat you can get and push your opponent out. It’s not even grappling at this point it’s fat retards grappling each other and hoping they don’t fall.>>214823>I-Its tradition!
>>214827>themA K*rean?
>>214821>how a weight limit would take away traditionshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2N-_p8wOdw&t=76shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeOxnVxkv3s&t=232shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tex_093B1fk&t=21s
>>214821>>214818Shinto window dressing aside, the true spirit of sumo is "the baddest dude wins." None of this gay pound-for-pound 'akshually the 110 pound guy would beat the 280 pound guy if they were hypothetically the same size because of magic' bullshit.
>>214829I'm saying there's no ontological enemy here for you to fight. Chill out and chat.
>>214830Not watching this shit how does a weight limit change the rules and the Shinto traditions of sumo.>>214831>The baddest dudeYou can’t find out who the baddest dude whenever people are abusing the rules or lack there for of. A lot of fat fuck pusher thrusters would probably never even make it to paid divisions if it weren’t for the weight crutch.
>>214836If you can't beat a fat fuck then you're not a bad enough dude, simple as.
>>214840The fat fuck has zero downside in a match if you touch the ground or go out and the ring is super small so the fat fuck just has to walk out the majority of wins show this.
>>214842So the fat fuck is better than the skinny twink manlet, obviously.
>>214842see >>214840
>>214831Mainoumi's elbow was down first
>>214787All the other answers are solid and judging by the subsequent discussion you're apparently a huge fag but for my part I just want to point out that seeing two immensely obese men smash into each other at high speed is half the enjoyment of the sport.
>>214840The fat is a crutch that actually reduces the skill level of the sport. Matches would be way better if there wasn't 300lbs of lard dragging them down. It's no different than strapping weights on, except way unhealthier. Also it actually fucking sucks to maintain that weight, especially if you are exercising as much as these guys do. Historical Sumo wrestlers weren't fat either, for obvious reasons.And if you're all about finding "the baddest dude", the fat fuck meta is more advantageous to short guys than taller, bigger guys.Just saying that there's a problem when the average rikishi makes powershitters look anorexic.
>>214849>you're apparently a huge fagsays the guy who loves "seeing two immensely obese men smash"
>>214851Sounds like a skill issue. Have you tried not being Dutch? That might help.
Goddamn this thread went to shitI'm outta here, fuck this
>>214855Ignore and post rikishi
>ITT: anons advocate for changes to a traditional sport regulated by one of the most stagnant organizations in the world
IT'S NOT A FUCKING SPORT!!!!
>>214836>>214851>whenever people are abusing the rules or lack there for of>Historical Sumo wrestlers weren't fat either, for obvious reasonsA weight class tourist fag who doesn't know the history of the sport he claims to like. Many such cases.>The musclebound body of Tochigiyama on the right ought to be taken as a model by today's modern rikishi, whereas Wakahitachi seen on the left has a body like that of Umegatani - one that is too heavy for him and which produces many weaknesses. Indeed his is a body of a bygone age but, with a great deal of effort, it is all too easy to imagine he might redeem himself yet. -"Heroic World", Summer issue of 1920, special sumo photography edition
>>214851>Sumotori or Wrestlers, English, 1866–1867
>>214859Cherry picking
Even feudal art consistently depicted sumo wrestlers as bloatlords. Having big bulky fat guys winning sumo championships was a great way for feudal lords to show off how much food their domains could grow, which was still an important source of wealth in the feudal days when the shogun controlled international trade.
>>214862This is actually an important point, we have hard data showing that average sumo wrestler weight dropped significantly following the demise of the feudal system. With a lack of backing from daimyo and rich samurai, sumo wrestlers had to scramble for support, everyone became more centralized in Tokyo and to a lesser extent Osaka until they merged, and weights were lowered due to less abundance of wealth and the food that came with it. Average wrestler mass bottomed out just before WW1, and while it steadily improved after WW1 it didn't fully recover to feudal levels until the 80s bubble.
>>214865While I agree with the general sentiment, I would be cautious to take any primary source from the 1700s at face value, especially considering that the fantastic recorded heights and weights usually survived because they were public-facing. The theory is a lot like WWE heights and weights: you get people to show up by billing your talent as absolute giants.I wouldn't be surprised if feudal rikishi were fat as fuck, but it seems implausible that there were any Konishikis.
Instead of female sumo they should make Keijo real
>>214867>it seems implausible that there were any KonishikisNow THAT'S cherry picking. We're not talking abut one freak Ozeki, but rikishi in general.
Does anyone here practice/train sumo? Just curious since I’ve never heard of a sumo gym in the USA.>>214858Yeah ok buddy get in line with the Capoeira and Kung Fu fags
>>214871Tourist.
>>214871>Just curious since I’ve never heard of a sumo gym in the USA.https://www.ussumo.org/map
>>214872To this thread? Yeah lol
>>214870Well, you equated feudal levels with the "80s bubble", it seemed fair to invoke the focal point of the fatness controversy in the 80s. Here are Takamiyama and Asashio. All I'm saying is to treat historical ad copy with the same skepticism as you treat modern ad copy.
>>214877If there's one thing sumo needs it's more sideburns like that.
>>214877I wasn't that Anon, and you're not wrong about that, but my point stands. You don't have to be Konishiki to be fat. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
>>214885>You don't have to be Konishiki to be fat.You're right, but that wasn't what we were discussing, since even Hak and Kak are fat by conventional standards. The current wave of the fatness controversy in sumo really started with Konishiki and hasn't gone away like previous ones did.For example, there wasn't much bitching in the 60s about Taihou being fat, despite him usually being one of the heaviest men in sumo.
>>214877Even if something's exaggerated to sell more tickets, you have to have something to base your exaggeration on. It would take some serious work to bulk a wrestler up to 350-450 pounds in feudal Japan, but feudal Japan was exactly the sort of batshit insane place led by batshit insane warlords where something like that would be possible. Whether the bloatlords of yore were anywhere near as good at fighting as the steroid-assisted bloatlords of today is another matter.
>>214886So you were discussing who then? Dewanojo? No one else is that fat.
>>214867>>214877Konishiki was an outlier among outliers, I was talking about general averages in the top division.
Everyone that wants weightclasses in the sport of sumo is a DYEL twink faggot lusting for more Chiyonofuj types to fantasize to while they fuck themselves.
>>214907No need to project this hard.
>>214867I agree in spirit but as others have said, that's what we would say about Hakuho if he wrestled in any other era.
>>214882>If there's one thing sumo needs it's more sideburns like that.I thought that went out the window with the facial hair ban, but my memory was wrong. Apparently no one wants to wear them.
>>214945Let's be realistic - how many of them can even grow proper sideburns?
>>214888>>214895>So you were discussing who then? Dewanojo? In 1988, there were 25 rikishi over 140 kg in makuuchi. In 1938, there were 2.There was not such a lack of food in Japan at what was nearing the peak size of the Japanese empire as to not allow the average rikishi to reach what would have been the average size of a well-fed athlete 200 years earlier. The size of those rikishi 200 years earlier, then, would not have been the 200 cm 160 kg business you find in old primary sources. That's what I was trying to convey; I meant to use Konishiki as hyperbole.
>>214951>There was not such a lack of food in JapanThe question wasn't lack of food, the question was ability of sumo wrestlers to acquire it. Where are more resources going in 1938, sumo wrestlers or the military? For that matter, where are most able-bodied men going, sumo or the military? Even with sumo being imperial propaganda at the time, all they needed was for the sanyaku, especially yokozuna, to look good, while the rank and file maegashira don't need as much attention because they would want the yokozuna to look strong.
>>214951>Even with sumo being imperial propaganda at the time, all they needed was for the sanyaku, especially yokozuna, to look goodAnd those sanyaku still weighed 30 kg less than Maruyama? 197 cm, 161 kg?
>>214953pic
>>214945I can only think of Chiyotairyu in recent years, and his sideburns got less prominent as he got older.
>>214953I don't know why you're pretending to be shocked that the bulk of the resources in a wartime empire are going to the imperial war.
>>214956I picked 38 for the clean difference of 50 years. My original comp was 1928 - which still has only 2 above 140 kg, and a slightly lower average weight overall.
>>214957
>>214752Don't worry, Shishi is in Makuuchi to fulfill the role
>>214959I can't wait for the Roga matchup
>>214907Or actual grappling enjoyers that would love to see technique instead of fat fucks having shoving matches.
>>214978If you're a technique enjoyer, why aren't you watching judo or greco-roman or freestyle instead of the designated fat fuck sport?
>>214980https://youtu.be/BPrNpwMZQnIBecause I enjoy the tradition more than the sport it could be so much better.
>>214978https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crvEQ6yvHjUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiXyoAvk0bg&t=326sNo reason we can't have technical grappling matches instead of shoving matches. Has nothing to do with weight. Pushing is simply easier to teach and learn.
>>214978Shoving is a technique.
>>214982>I don't like the sport, why don't they change it to accomodate me?How would you feel making this argument about anything else?
>>214978Technique entails being able to handle the pressure of some huge faggot assailing you with blows and land the throw anyway. This is exactly why sumo is superior to judo and the other wrasslefag disciplines.t. Actual Grappling Enjoyer
>>214985Onosato has 3 gino-shos and shoving is pretty much his whole game outside of the occasional defensive slapdown
If I wanted to see grappling I would just watch gay porn
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BPrNpwMZQnI
>>215008>>214982
>>215011Its good enough to post twice
>>215007
>>215000>withstanding blows from a 200 kg fat ass is technique!False flagging fat retard that knows nothing about grappling
>>214984Now post the other 90% of the field that’s a fat fuck pusher thruster Let’s be real if you defend the weight issue you just want to self insert as a sumo because you’re fat and think I COULD DO THAT.
>>215023Strikes and shoves being involved absolutely does affect technique, hence why MMA, combat sambo, sanda, shootboxing, and kudo are things. Being able to use strikes/shoves to set up your own throw or using the opponent's strikes to provide momentum to counter someone is a skill in and of itself.>>215025Being fat isn't a substitute for skill. You won't find a single yokozuna that can't push/shove AND wrestle.
>>215025>as a sumoTourist detected. You aren't part of this community and your opinion means nothing. Kindly fuck off to another thread, maybe you'll make some friends there.
Prove you aren't a small child or I can't take you seriously on sumo opinions.
>>215025>Now post the other 90% of the field that’s a fat fuck pusher thrusterThe entire point of my post was that the most skilled and most successful rikishi of the last twenty years are all grapplers. If grapplers beat everyone else, why is the argument being made that sumo's *rules* turn the sport into retarded shoving matches? The oyakata are doing that, and they are doing it because it is easy.
>>215034This is fake. R-right?
>>215034>heavier than terunofuji
>>215036No. Got to get big to be huge to be strong. Simple As.>>215037>1kg off of mogging all of makuuchitime to bulk
>>215038you are 388lbs you are going to fucking die
>>215034lol fat biiitch!
If the rikishi didn't find being fat to be effective, they wouldn't do it. Certainly it's unattractive but that is irrelevant. There are sports with sex appeal but sumo was never one of them. Function dictates form, right?
>>215040We're all going to fucking die, Anon.
>>215034I dunno how people do this. The moment I got even close to 300 I completely turned my life around.
>>215034I'm less than half your weight, but I'm also not the guy arguing for weight classes.The appeal to top level sports is seeing humans in peak physical condition doing peak physical feats, and sumo is a combination of that and traditional ritual. No need to change what isn't broken.
>>215044then why all the female fans? you just don't know what girls really like.
>>214862The art is more of an exaggeration. Imagine your average Japanese man was a scrawny 5' 8" tall 120 lbs dude that was poor and survives on nothing but rice and raw fish. Then you compare that to massive 6' 2" 300 lbs beasts that do nothing but eat, sleep, and train all day. Of course the art is going to take some artistic liberties.
>>215063Source: your ass
>>215064Chiyonofuji vs Konishiki, 1980-something.
>>215066Yokozuna Hidenoyama, circa 1844. He was 164 cm, 150 kg.He should look roughly the same as Masuminato. Does he?
Takakeisho already looking slimmer by the look of his neck
>>215063>Imagine your average Japanese man was a scrawny 5' 8" talluhh gotta take 6 inches off that
>>215063>>215067You realize this doesn't contradict the actual point being made, which was that professional sumo wrestlers have always been fat right? The art style just exaggerates reality, it wouldn't depict them as fat if they weren't already fat.
>>215068he found neck
>>215068All according to Keikkaku...>pretend to retire>recover injuries and wounds>end the bulk and start the cut>build your perfect sumo body>secretly train with the ghost of Chiyonofuji>the month before the ceremony to cut your topknot say that you are returning to sumo>by then Onosato would have already been choked and injured>the YC needs a replacement for biotechnofuji so they let you return to your Sekiwake position>Chris sumo makes a 5 hour video screaming that this is not legal or fair and that Hakuho never had those opportunities>Takakeisho wins all the tournaments of the year with zensho yusho>YokozunaThose of you who doubted still have time to return to the Hamster ship...
>>215074>this doesn't contradict the actual point being made, which was that professional sumo wrestlers have always been fat No one here has actually argued against that.
Hiro went the entirety of October without posting any new SUMO PRIME TIME, the last thing he posted was his summary of the aki basho. Seems like he must've given up on the project
>>215097Chris would never.
>>215097All he had to do was ask Futagoyama to do a collab with him. It would have been pure kino.
>>215097The incredibly awkward editing and presentation certainly didn't help the channel's potential to grow.
>>215047No one is arguing weight classes retard
>fucks up>gets promoted
>>215099There is very little effort needed to produce his little 10 minute videos, 1 cameraman and maybe half an hour of filming for the ones he does with Sazanami. He could bang out several a week easily if he wanted to, so he clearly doesn't want to. He is probably green around the gills with envy of how much more attention Futagoyama's content gets than his does, maybe thats why he gave up.
>>215099>>215106>FutagoyamaNever watched Sumo Food. What is the appeal of those jobbers?
>>215104Promoted? To what? I thought he was retired?
>>215108retirement is kind of a promotion
>>215108promoted to spectator
>>215107The practice footage is neat.
Any news on Kazuma if he is joining or still healing from his knee injury?
>>215107Parasocial relationship. They're idols now.
>>215128if my good friend koga heard you say that shit he would defend my honour
>>215107Same appeal as any slice of life media, I suppose. They're cool guys with decent personalities who are also professionals in a sport I enjoy. Particularly since sumo is so redolent with tradition, even outside the dohyo, I consider the life of a sumo wrestler to be sumo as well. Most other athletes are like normal people outside their sport but not rikishi.
>>215130Every group of cute idols should have the one with thick eyebrows, it's iconic at this point.
>Tickets for 15 days of the Kyushu Tournament were sold out. This was the first time in 28 years, since 1996 (Heisei 8).It was also the first time in 28 years that tickets for all 90 days of the six tournaments in a year were sold out.The makuuchi division winners in 1996, in order from January, were Takanohana, Takanohana, Takanohana, Takanohana, Takanohana, and Musashimaru.pretty wild
>>215141Everyone is excited to see Onosato get his 3rd cup and progress towards his inevitable coronation as the 74th yokozuna
>>215097There is only so much one can report, especially under the direct guide of the JSA who only wants to showcase the happy goodie side of sumo. The channel original goal was to boost foreign interest in sumo and promote it as tourist spot for visitors, there is a reason why they went to that sumo souvenir town. Considering this, it doesn't make sense to make videos in Futagoyama style because they can't profit from gaijin with it. The channel was simply canned due to low views and that's it.
>>215147>it doesn't make sense to make videos in Futagoyama style because they can't profit from gaijin with itWhy can't they profit from that?
>>215158I look like this
Maybe they decided "Hiro we don't need your promotional help anymore because we're selling out every seat"They have the exchange rate encouraging tourism and Europe is becoming a lot less popular as a tourist destination because the cities are all turning into crime ridden muslim and African slums and North American cities aren't much better, I'm every remembers seeing how many foreigners were in the seats the last few bashoes. Plus Japanese nationalism is on the rise which also works in sumo's favor in terms of domestic ticket sales.
>>215173>I'm every remembers seeing how many foreigners
>>215177probably "I'm sure everyone remembers"
>>215177Haven't we all accidentally a word at some point?
Koga bros we won THREE practice bouts today
>>215186Yeah, but he accidentally a whole bottle of words.
>>215188Koga said he's started going to the gym. This is what we've been waiting for lads, Koga is going to be the top dog in Futagoyama in no time.
>>215193>professional athlete started going to the gymhonestly sometimes I think I could do a better job training these guys than the oyakata
>>215197Only need to do 10 hours of Shiko
>>215197Futagoyama should take inspiration from Ikazuchi and let his wife run the training sessions, she can stand up for more than 30 seconds at a time and actually does sme exercise.
>>215201Ikazuchi's wife actually has a grappling background, Futa Okami-san does not.
>>215203Oh I bet she's done some grappling in her day...
>>215203Futagoyama doesn't have a grappling background either, his brand of sumo was unga bunga shoving and being huge. Watching him give short and ineffective grappling demonstrations to his men before being forced to sit down again will always be equal parts funny and sad. I bet his wife could throw him.
>>215209She can throw me, that's for sure.
>>215209>4chud autist tries to critique ozeki on sumo technique
>>215188He has added a lot more weight in the recent few months, it shows in his face. Maybe if his face gets fat enough eventually his eyebrows will look small
>>215212The fat will just go to the sides of his head and push them closer together.
Where has soga been the last few videos. Suspiciously absent.
>>215224sogging
>>215224@jungyo
>>215224it's been mentioned in previous video and the last one indicating he's with Roga on jungyou.also the newcomer will probably appear in a video only after Kyushu basho
>>215212He hurt his back.
>>215114>anons would rather watch fat fucks shove each other 10 seconds instead of this 1 minute spectacle of technique.
>>215244I would rather leave it open for both options.
>>215244shoving people is technique. eating enough to be huge and strong is training
Kokugikan is modeled after a tanuki, the roof is his hat and the street level entrance is his mouth
>>215250When I was there it even had some big balls
>>215244I wish we had more fights like these, I mean ura vs whoever is similar to his size is always a fun match. Same with Midorifuji or Wakatakakage. Imagine the whole makuuchi would be guys like this.. there would definitely be less time for abema to spam the same ads over and over.
>>215255if every contest was what you currently consider highlight reel material then you'd still be complaining that it isn't good enough to meet your expectations, you're just a terminally dissatisfied whiney little bitch, thats why you have no friends and nobody likes you. even your own family can't stand you. the problem isn't everyone else, its you. If sumo was somehow terrible currently then they wouldn't be having the strongest ticket sales so far this century.
>>215263>strongest ticket sales so far this century.you realize the number of gaijins visiting japan hit record-high recently? who the fuck do you think buys all those horrible seats from where you cannot see shit?
>>215275Sumo is more popular right now than it has been for a long time. You can try and twist this into "but the REAL sumo fans hate it and think it's rubbish", but you must understand that this is immediately recognised as military-grade copium. The top division has never been what you wish it was in terms of technical mastery, and it never will be, first and foremost because, as the current boom is showing, people are quite happy to come and watch sumo when the top division is full of bloated shovemasters.
>>215276>the top division is full of bloated shovemasters.but it's not
>>215277is too
>>215279Name them
manlets really think this a good use of their timeyou are never going to argue the JSA into becoming another gay ass sport with weight classes and all that gay shit manlets love, it simply is not going to happen and if you don't like that, then you are watching the wrong sport. That's all there is to it.
>>215255Ura is one the same the fat fuck pusher shovers you're complaining about. Everyone remembers the flashy throws, but most of his wins are from push outs.
>>215285Manlets aren't the people who would argue for that, given that they enjoy outsized popularity in sumo specifically because they are smaller than their opponents.
>>215255Life is a treasure anon
>>215289Is this the goal?
>>215277>>215280There's probably a way to do this which clarifies the individual wrestlers and what techniques are yotsu/oshi, but it would be far too much effort for me.
>>215296Why did you cherry pick 1984? Is it because that year supported your hypothesis the most?
>>215297Why do you think I cherrypicked anything? I already posted 1994. In this thread. >>214232
>>215298That is the very definition of cherry picking. If you want to do a full on statistical analysis, I would love to see it but this nonsense is just that- nonsense.
>>215301What the fuck are you talking about? How is any of this nonsense? It's precisely the raw data and nothing more. It would be cherrypicking if I said >on days 1-10 this basho, there have been more oshizumou wins than yorikiri wins than there were 30 years agoIf you want complex data analysis, do it yourself, you greedy little pig.
I don't have any skin in this argument, but here's my guesstimate over which techniques are yotsu vs oshi.While it's true that belt purists have declined since the 80s, and pushers have risen, an equally healthy winning type is "other" which is my catchall for any non-belt grappling technique like leg trips and non-belt throws. Overall I'd say sumo is in a pretty healthy state with equality between the three, and the non-belt throwers should be considered a third type instead of just yotsu vs oshi.Data is cherry-picked from 1958 onward because a) start of the six basho era, b) I don't feel like looking up every archaic kimarite that doesn't exist anymore. Fusen, fouls, and non-techniques (opponent fucked up) are included for completion sake but all three combined are a negligible percentage of wins.
>>215306Asking sincerely: did you use makuuchi data for this, or all matches?It's easy to imagine the possibility of the lower divisions warping an all-matches search, given what goes on down there.
>>215306Very interesting, thanks anon. I see that yotsu peak in the mongolian era of the last decade, which is just what I would expect, the Mongolian rikishi were usually quite technical. It seems to me a reaction to the previous era of mega pusher thrusters like Akebono. Now we might say the pendulum is swinging back.
>>215314>the previous era of mega pusher thrusters like AkebonoLeft is the exact span of Akebono's career, right is the same length of time following his intai.
>>215312Bring this sumo backWeight limit of 330 no weight classes just you can’t be fatter than 330
>>215327fuck off retard
>>215327Imposing a limit creates a class, dipshit.
>>215327330 should be the MINIMUM weight to be a professional rikishi.
>>215286that's just what he's been doing lately, he's not a young gun anymore and we're all aware of the state of his knees. Still, when he gets an equally sized opponent, it's quite a match.
>>215332Weight classes imply their are multiple classes and in this case their is only one so there is not a weight class just a weight limit.Bozo
>>215335>that's just what he's been doing lately>lately
>>215336There is one weight class.
>>215338Sure, a comically gimped one. What are you gonna say about massive guys like Baruto? You didn't think about the fact that you were also imposing a de facto height limit, did you?This is the same "Black Boats" cancer your Japanese equivalents shat out thirty years ago. Fuck off and leave sumo alone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5By-g-VCdAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPXMOU9mgQg&t=155s
>>215339I am? Think you replied to the wrong person.
>>215337according to that he actually used a lot less oshidashi compared to the previous years. He did only 6 oshidashi in 75 bouts so far... and he was much more entertaining in the previous years anyway. I just don't buy it he's your regular fat pusher like daieishou or hamster etc..
>>215308Just makuuchi
>>215343The thing is, Ura is a 140kg monster of a man with a 100kg grip strength and arms like a gorilla. He's not a nimble little twink, even by sumo standards. Any "reforms" that shifted the meta away from fat pushers would leave Ura behind, because like it or not, he's a lot closer to Takakeisho than he is to Mainoumi.
This whole 'lets sissify sumo' troll is just taken from a spiffy video that came out about a month ago. You might as well be getting trolled by Chris
>>215379I hate youtubers so much
>>215379>let’s sissify sumoHow is wanting a lower weight “sissifying” it you fat retard. I think you’re afraid you’re going to lose your self insert sport that makes you feel better about being a walking heart attack.
>>215382Gay troll. Luckily the based japs in charge of the jsa don’t care what weebs think.
Lol these outsiders really think anyone here cares about being called fatNext time just keep scrolling, you don't belong here
>>215382I'm only 300 pounds at 6'3, so I'd get blasted out of the ring by the average Sandanme jobber. Yotsubagawa-beya is a funny meme, we don't really think we're sumo wrestlers.
>>215334This guy gets it
>>215386Still didn’t say how making a weight limit would pussyfy it
>>215391see >>214840
>>215392Not an answer
>>215399kill yourself
>>215382>>215391All the proof you need is ssireum. It's Korean folk wrestling with no ring outs, so it's entirely grappling-based. It used to be based and openweight, but viewership was dying, so they implemented weight classes to thirst-trap with all the muscle twinks. It worked, so they lowered the maximum weight even more.Tell me, do you think it's NOT pussifying a sport when the strongest guys aren't even allowed to compete anymore?https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2011/03/03/features/Ssireum-hopes-slimming-down-brings-back-fans/2932975.htmlhttps://www.korea.net/NewsFocus/Sports/view?articleId=181289
>>215397wow this match would have been so much better if they were both tiny and skinny>said nobody ever
The future of our sumo-sport as envisioned by the "Limiterists"
wimpy weak little sissies go through life terminally fearful of the larger stronger men who they know could easily stomp them flat whenever they please. many of them in turn develop the narcissistic inferiority complex and insanely convince themselves there is something good about being weak and wimpy. and then they go through life being angry at anyone larger than themselves. its an extremely common coping mechanism, nearly all women have it too
I'm 5'7 and 145 pounds.I've never been above 170 in my life.The only thing they should do is raise the dohyo, anyone who disagrees get shot by Tokushoryu and buried under the koukugikan.
>>215407Why does Tokushōryū have a gun?
>>215409He needed it for his secret kimarite.
>>215409Best way to deal with international shitposters.
Aonishiki already swimming in pussy
sumo fan in the white houseis this epic? [Y/Y]
>>215424Only if it produces a non-Hawaiian American sekitori by the end of his term.
>>215415I wonder if he's bothered to learn Japanese yet lol
>>215430He has done interviews, so yes. Certainly more than Shishi
>>215432Shishi has actually mproved a lot with his Japanese. In a recent interview he actually used an incredibly cringeworthy Japanese pun. I'm very impressed with him to be fair, because he looks like the sort of chap who struggles with his native language to begin with.
>>215430>m...manko? kudasai>HAI DOZO GAIJIN-SAN
Bump limit reached, go:>>208824
>>215430he knew some japanese when he came to japan already, not sure how. now he speaks fluently.
>>215447djt
>>215447Aonishiki confirmed weeb
3 days until the Basho starts!!!This is going to be the best one all year I can feel it
>>215467Worst for onosucko since he is going to get shit on by skinny legs and wakatakakage.
>>215467Jan 26 next year Onosato clinches his next promotion
the heat of the rice cooks the egg
>>215471Not when one slops on two eggs over cold rice.
keiko with kisenosatohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY3H-AaB8YI
Which 1920s maegashira are you? Left to right: Akutsugawa, Tachihikari, Misugiiso, Komatsuyama, Kotogaura.
>>215488I'd wanna be Tachihikari, but I'm probably Akutsugawa.
>>215489relatable
>>215488MisugiisoI often make that same face
>>215468
first day matchups are out
>>215306Interestingly, your graph is almost identical to just "yorikiri vs oshidashi". I also used only makuuchi for this, on here:https://sumo.stuartmcgill.org/
>>215507Just completely ignoring "other", and separately overlaying the two lines, you get this.
day 1 sanyaku matches
>Nabatame leads training without the Oyakatathese guys need a second coach so fucking badly and there are so many retired rikishi I don't know how they don't have one
>>215536Nearly all of them had winning records last time around.
>>215517Some good matches here. Zak was a wet fart last basho but he had that win in the OP so I'm hoping he brings it this time. Oho really showed some balls fighting through that broken orbital so I have higher expectations of him now. Hosh...well, we'll see lol. Kirishima came back to life last basho, but so did WTK so this ought to be a great one. If anyone can give Onosato a wake up call it's gonna be my boy Hiradoumi. Is he gonna catch him with a hangover from those Ozeki parties? Hira always throws down so this one is all on Onosato's preparation. And hoping Wakamotoharu stomps Abi just because I'd like that.
>>215549It would only help them, anon, it's not an insult. Ok it is but just a little one.
>>215536You can't retire and then just apply to start coaching at someone else's stable. Retired rikishi who qualify for elder stock will either continue serving their master as an assistant coach or branch out and become the head coach at their own stable. The lads aren't getting any new coaches until Futagoyama dies and they're sent elsewhere in the ichimon. Probably in a year or two.
>>215553Then he should bring back Maikeru
>>215560He can teach them to be a sandanme shitter.
>>215560Futagoyama himself is an employee of the JSA, as are all the other elders. If a stable has multiple coaches, all of them are drawing their salaries from the JSA. If Futagoyama wanted to hire additional personnel, even former disciples, he'd have to pay them out of his own pocket. His pocket, of course, isn't very deep (unless he's got secret business investments we know nothing about) and indeed, most stables wouldn't be able to afford such an expense on top of the existing challenge of housing and feeding so many gluttonous young athletes. As a further complication, the JSA is of course run by men who are oyakatas in their own right, and so they would have an incentive to disapprove of any arrangements that allowed one stable access to any professional coaching that didn't fall under their authority.
>>215566Don't the rikishi contribute something? plus they seem to get a lot of gifts so that should significantly cut the food budget
>>215567The gifts from the fan club are a significant part of a stable's budget. While I'm sure a stable could get by if for some reason, their fan club boycotted them for a year, in the normal course of things it's expected and budgeted for that a certain amount of food and other gifts will be coming in. Likewise, things like lodging for the tournaments outside of Tokyo are often paid for by the fan association native to those regions. The stablemasters get a certain payment per man in the stable to help cover his living costs, which incentivises someone like Futagoyama, who can no longer physically train his men hmself and has no assistant coaches, to maintain fifteen disciples. Unsalaried wrestlers of course are unable to contribute significantly in a financial sense, because they only get a small amount of pocket money from the JSA. I would assume that a salaried rikishi feels obligated to contribute in some way to the master and the stable that helped him get his salary in the first place, but the salaries aren't really all that much until you're at the really high levels, and a salaried man is expected to want to move out of the stable and get married at some point, which of course costs a lot of money. A makuuchi yusho, however, is incredibly valuable for the stable of the winner, due to the massive amount of food that comes along with the Emperor's Cup.
Dohyo Purification happening livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_-ykGzhk3Y
>>215578The warmth of the gyoji scares away the spirits.
>>215580I find it hard to believe Shonosuke has been a warm body these last 5 years
Its FutagoyamoverKuwae is out for the tournament with a knee injury
>>215588rip, he was the most promising of the smaller dudes of the heya
>>215589I lied, I didn't realize Mita was in the same ballpark of height + weight
How are we feeling takayasu mob?
>>215592Got him picked for my fantasy team, so hopefully nobody believes in him.
>>215593What site are you guys using for that? I wont pick Takayasu dont worry
>>215584>become braindead>they still put you on the dohyo for the better part of a decade even though you fall over every time you get nudgedThat's Japanese traditionalism for you.
>>215595It's just a google sheet I made that me and my friend use, nothing official.
>>215592Fan of his since his ozeki days so strongly hoping nobody even sees him compete until day 15, then he might have a real shot at the yusho.
>>215592>only 2.5" wide
>>215599Imagine having a tiny clone of each rikishi and having them wrestle on your table while you eat breakfast.
Kotobros this is THE basho he will secure the horizontal rope for takakeisho sempai and he has the kami backing him.
>>215600I think having 600 miniature sumo wrestlers knocking about in your house would be even more inconvenient than having two or three full-sized ones. My limit would be four or five minirikishi.
>Kazuma outShame
onosucko yusho
it's his to lose
Teru outhttps://hochi.news/articles/20241107-OHT1T51042.html?page=1
>>215621Not a surprise
>>215517Great bouts. I'm hoping for an Ozeki win so Teru can crush another 'zuna hopeful like he did with Kirishima in January to start 2025
>>215621This means we got at least a 3/42 chance of a Yokozuna run starting
>>215616With Mama's training, he'll be unstoppable.
Who's going to make the /sp/ thread?
>>215632A fag.
Rikishi I'm watching in juryo and below>Aonishiki>Kotoeiho>Kurohimeyama>Ishizaki>Mita>Shimizuumi>Yonezawaryu
>>215632>>215633>>>/sp/145566423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92qmBmuZQPY&t=1700s>Koga gases the large shared room
>>215639If he can incorporate biological warfare into his sumo, the innovative approach could send him flying up the ranks.
Koga still doing his Ah! in real matches is too funny
>Mita 3-0dude beat everyone within a second or two so far
>>215819Hang in there, old man...
>>216102Ura thought he could rest with the applause and Tobi slapped him.
Someone post the Abu flowchart, please.
>>216182
>>216215This isn't right. Doing a henka after a nodowa doesn't even make sense. False chart.
>>216216British hands typed these words.
>>216222Never call me british again
>>216215Thank you, anon. I forgot to save it the last time I saw it.
