Frieren or mushoku tensei?Which is better?
frieren because I haven't started mushoku
>fat pedo NEET reincarnates as an attractive boy to an aristocratic family with good genes, impregnates his three wives and becomes jeff bezos of the isekai worldMT is wish fulfillment trash
>>268145972Frieren is literally 0/10.The adventures of a sorceress in a fantasy world are judged only by the size of her hat.
>>268145972Mushoku Tensei gave us Ghislaine Dedoldia, but Frieren mind-broke a lot of faggots. That is, most of /a/.
dungeon meshi
Obviously Frieren. It has no incest or need to explain that 'it's good, but' moments.
>>268146048It's Isekai, what did you expect? Good story or something?
How fast does she trick and kill Rudeus?
>>268146048>as an attractive boy to an aristocratic family with good genes.Attractive European man*. A nip who wishes to be European is no different than a tranny.
>>268145972MT is better cuz it has Sylphie in it, and also because its got some originality and consistency in its story and writingFrieren as a series just feels generic and barebones overallFrieren's anime adaptation elevated its sourceMT's anime is debatable, especially in S2 disaster, tho I think LN is still a better way to go with it. MT's S1 is mid, and the least standard
Frieren beats MT on animation but that's it. its writing is average and pretentious and MT is a work of genius.
>>268146461ignore this guy he's the village idiot from /mt/
>>268145972Frieren. Far more original, overall better executed, relies far less on emotional moments for the sake of emotional moments, characters don't often get rewarded for their stupidity, etcThough, they are both way below Dungeon Meshi anyway
>>268146569>relies far less on emotional moments for the sake of emotional momentsbait
>>268145972>isekai>native isekaiNeither
>>268146509I'm based and truthpilled
>>268146607This. Both are only consumed by tasteless subhumans.
>>268146607>native isekai
>>268146796I always found that term incredibly stupid. Native Isekai = just fantasy
>>268146067True answer
>>268146855Imagine calling the lord of the rings native Isekai lmao
>>268145972They are both good in different ways.>>268146023You will probably enjoy the first season of the show but i suggest you just read or listen to the LN instead.
>>268145972Neither of them.
>>268146490"It's pretentious!" is the eternal cry of the stupid.
>>268145972MT overall is better, freiren is nice and have high peak but overall the side stories feel like filler at times, not bad, but the overall plot drags specially when there is an END TARGET
>>268145972
Nothing in Frieren hits as hard as thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYzbfMGnXR4
MT is OK, Dungeon Meshi is mid, Frieren is bad
>>268145972>Friereddit or CHADoku CHADseiWe may never know...
I'm an anime-only fag but frieren feels like it could have been wrapped up in one season. there was a lot of repetitive filler content that amounts to>wow himmel was such a good guy>wow frieren didnt notice how much he loved her>wow frieren didnt realize how much she loved him>wow this current day event is just like the thing that happened beforethe exam arc was 11 episodes and all we did was set up a few characters and establish fern as powerful mage. those things could have been accomplished organically during the journey to aureole. I hope the pacing is better in future seasons.
>>268146569>far less on emotional moments for the sake of emotional momentsLol what
>>268147134i want a family to spill my spaghetti over
>>268146958I like how the MC didn't have to be a pedophile like Rudeus to be interesting.
>>268147252he was a tho
>>268147186That "filler" is what the story is actually about.>Elf who perceives time differently from humans spends decades slowly grieving.The series is literally called Funeral Rites Frieren.The action and other stuff are the actual filler in the show.
>>268145972Frieren's themes:>grief and loss>passage of time>humility and simplicity>cherishing the small things>can we find common grounds with beings incapable of understanding moralsMT:>give the pedophile a free pass for his wrong doings, lots of riches, top-level magical powers, 40 year headstart over his peers, and girls who are worshiping him and surely he will be a better personNo, just no.I'm not even into Frieren but holy shitWhy would you make this comparison?
>>268146110Eh, it is native isekai vs regular isekai. Both are trash imo
>>268147317>get beat with a baseball bat>kicked out of your house barefoot >hit by truck>die>be reborn>die again>get mutilated several times>watch your new family die idk man rudy has it tough
>>268147089This surely proves MT is the superior series. No, LN top 10 , Oricon rankings, etc don't reflect anything so they don't count, don't even look at them, there's no need
>>268147297it's filler if it's repetitive. that's why I used the word repetitive; because the show is full of repetitive filler. I don't need 10 different flashbacks to give me the same message, and I especially don't need 11 episodes of battle shounen slop to find out fern is a good mage.
>>268145972>garbage overhyped isekai>vs>garbage overhyped native isekaiThey're both trash.
>>268147356Oh yes, jacking off all day to your own fucking niece is a hard life.Shut the fuck up
>>268147317Rudy is a punching bag in MT though. Hell, he just lost his mom, dad, and right arm in the last episode, He's going to lose a wife to a rat next season, and his other arm as well.
>>268147186Are you kidding? Those aren't fillerThey are proper content for its theme of a being that lives in a different timescale but harbors the same emotional attachment to people.Internet has ruined your attention span, mateThis is actually proper pacing for the emotion it wants to convey
>>268145972Frieren is the Dull Man's Fantasy.Mushoku S1 is unmatched, pure adventure and fun. S2 is dogshit
>>268145972Frieren personally. While I enjoy MT it has too much drama for my taste. Rudeus has a mental breakdown at least once an arc, I find the show exhausting to watch sometimes.
>>268147317>a 30 years old male lusts over 12 years old girls>"OMG PEDO">thousands years of elf lusts over 26 years old man>"ALL OK"
>>268147417>retard who needs the same idea pounded into his head every 11 minutes of showtime thinks everyone else has a short attention spannice talk, anon.
>>268145972frierentoo much focus on haremslop in tensei
>>268147386>the first chapter is all that matters in a 26 volume story.kill yourself
>>268147446Do you also complain that horses compete in racing at 3 years old?
>>268147414Still just a pedophile with a harem>>268147458Don't care.The entire theme of MT is just a pedophile receiving good stuff
>>268145972Unironically MT feels like it has some actual characters unlike Frieren where everyone is 1 dimensional
>>268147487okay youre just a disengenous shitposter then, see you in two years when the peak of MT gets animated at topples charts because of the astronomical feels
>>268147448It's just backwards style of storytellingYou know what happened. How it happened is the idea
>>268147487it's actually about how bullying and internet porn addiction warped the mind of a highschooler. Its about how if you are only around white people for your whole life you would not be such a piece of shit and your whole life would be great.
>>268147528>still doesn't understand the critiqueanon, really. nice talk.
>>268147521>>268147539Don't careMT only for """people""" who jacks off all day and should be kicked out.
>>268147417>>268147297See this is the problem with frieren. Yeah it's filler "reinforces" the core idea, but the core idea is so generic and non controversial. There's nothing to it just, "appreciate even the simple things in life now so you won't regret it in the future". It's not something that's interesting or that really anyone disagrees with and so constantly slamming it into your head gets insanely repetitive after just a few episodes, especially when they do it in basically the same exact way each time.
>>268147487>The entire theme of MT is just a pedophile receiving good stuffNTA but losing both of your arms isn't something I'd call good.
>>268147561You just have a short attention span.
MT would be a passable fantasy series if Rudy wasn't isekai'ed pedo, in general isekai part of that story is unnecessary.
>>268147579Frieren works as a comfy show, but it fumbles that so hard even if you're into it. The whole tournament arc basically spits in the face of the rest of the show.
>>268147414>going to lose a wife to a rat next seasonWhat?
>>268147551It's one of the most popular mainstream anime in the last 10 years. Are you claiming that every single one of those millions of people is a NEET who lives with their parents?
>>268147573anon, apples and oranges, who cares about the struggle of Rudy(most of them are just tools for reader to feel bad for him), if in the end your harem jumps on your dick nonetheless, who needs arms
>>268147604Roxy is going to get poisoned by a rat and die.
>>268147604TLDR: mangod evil, poison rat, roxxy die
>>268145972Tough choice. Why don't watch something good instead?
>MT only for """people""" who jacks off all day>Why don't watch something goodthread is being raided by brown ESL /v/ tourists
>>268147639name one
>>268147665dungeon meshi
>>268147561It's a genre called Mono AwareIt's all about just a forlorn appreciation of things that most people ignore because of how busy they areLike how simply dancing and singing in the rain can bring in a good time.Frieren did it too by searching about small events like watching the sunset with the entire townThis genre doesn't really exist in America which emphasizes explosions, guns, and nude women. But it does exist with books like The Road
>>268147661I've been daily lurking for 20 years and 2016 ruined 4chan.
>>268147604roxy dying kicks off the plot for MT. Rudy gets humbled even more when fighting Orsed a second time, cries his guts out in desperation.
>>268147671i can't wait for school to start again so we can get rid of you summerfags
>>268147677See yeah, I'm okay with frieren being slice of life fantasy or whatever, but it seems like it wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants to tell this grandiose magical story while also yelling at the viewer that it's the normal things that matter. What did the tournament arc do to support the core concept of the show?
>>268147685don't forget sylphie dying in the fight for the Asuran throne. They literally torture her and burn her body at the stake and rudy has to see that happen.
>>268147678sad but true. 2004-2011 was kino.
>>268147639No, not this season or the next one
>>268147715Everyone, including the author realizes that the tournament was a mistake.Hence why it went back to the forlorn flashback adventures soon after. And this time, it's like double or triple the length of the Tournament arc
>>268147745Didn't they also just recently do a time travel arc? Just stick to a comfy fantasy journey and stop forcing shit like this into it.
>>268145972I like both but I find MT's interconnected world and characters much more appealing. Everyone in MT has some kind of relationship with another character, or if they don't, they will soon form new bonds and links. Outside of completely minor characters it never felt as the ones in MT were used for one particular plot and then discarded, they always came back to move the plot behind the scenes.
>>268147761Yes and it was actually "pretty important"It was a glorified flashback that revealed that the Demons have a massive plan install that would surpass the Demon King's entire regimeJust a foreshadowing a future massive arcIt could have been done better but I don't really mind.
>>268147801This show really just feels like a slice of life that was forced to become a shonen
>>268147812ding ding ding
>>268147879and you still think it's good?
>fag gets beaten and killed>roxxy dying>sylphie dyingWho the fuck cares about any of this? MT have alt-timelines that ensure nothing is ever truly in danger.
>>268147913I'm not >>268147801 but I think it was a decent second-monitor 6/10.
>>268147586>MT would be a passable fantasy series if Rudy wasn't isekai'ed pedoThe world-building is absolutely pathetic.
>>268147739Unfortunately we can't go back. I hope your life works out fellow struggler.
>>268147515>tsundere red head>timid loli>adventorous legal loli>muscle mommy warrior who likes fightingWhoah such character
>>268147677>This genre doesn't really exist in America which emphasizes explosions, guns, and nude women.Lol, Groundhog Day does this better than any anime slop. The difference is America can do it with a "plot" instead of an entire series where nothing happens.
>>268147466On a more serious note, one could say it was Himmel that was the pedo since Frieren has the mental development of a toddler and body of a young adult at best
>>268147539LmaoIt's funny how implicitly racist MT is>his life only gets good when he reincarnates as a blond green eyed white boyIf he were a slanty eyed freak with dark hair and sub 6' height they'd probably slaughter him as a goblin or something
>>268147466with this analogy, frieren is into bestiality.
>>268148065Still beats Frieren "characters"
>>268146048I don't understand how normies are okay with shit like that but can't stand stories like redo of healer it is the exact same level of depravity to just get the stupid shit you want, without actually deserving any of it.
>>268148085>On a more serious note, one could say it was Himmel that was the pedo since Frieren has the mental development of a toddler and body of a young adult at bestThat's not how pedophilia works, anon.
>>268148071Genre, nigger.America lacks enough cultural appreciation for the tropes to make it an established genreIt is not really uncommon as every country has a literary style endemic to their country onlyLike Wuxia of China and Lucha Libre of Mexico
>>268148065actually ghislaine doesn't enjoy fighting. She is just bad at everything else. Her character is actually pretty sad she is completely reliant on a string of masters/teachers her whole life. She basically like a full blown retard in the real world kinda of way and not the funny internet kinda way.
>>268148110Well by definition MT is not pedo either since he is a kidWhat is the name of people that is attracted to a mentally challenged adult? Himmel is that then
>>268148096Literally every single human in the entire lore is white. the 6 sided earth is a paradise. Like even the bedouin ass sand niggers on the begaritt are all white. I love Magonote for that one. >If he were a slanty eyed freak with dark hair and sub 6' height they'd probably slaughter him as a goblin or somethingThat's why nanahoshi wears a mask
>>268145972Frieren
>>268148194>autistic people aren't allowed to have sexanon...
>>268147677>Like how simply dancing and singing in the rain can bring in a good time.It does exist, but is usually associated with over-emotional teenage girls, and you'll mostly find them as text pasted over an image.The same goes for its use in anime and manga. The idea has artistic merit, but it's usually done by soulless otaku, who base it off of existing anime or manga or other vapid forms of pop culture, which is why it feels so contrived and shallow. It's done by people who have never lived, except through pop cultural characters.
>>268146461>originality and consistencyPedos with limp dicks. How original
>>268148243Retarded level ones like frieren can't consent yes. You could probably lure her to your van using a "free grimoires" sticker
>>268148131>Genre, nigger.>America lacks enough cultural appreciation for the tropes to make it an established genreThere's plenty of cinema with that "theme". The film I mentioned is one of the most famous films in American history. So, your accusation that they don't have enough appreciation for such themes because they're all about "guns and violence" is baseless(and this is ignoring the fact the famous genres in Japan like battle shonen and mecha are violence themed).They just don't like "nothing happens" storytelling style.
>>268146958Based
>>268147317>No, just noTwitterfag spotted
>>268145972Fate is the superior native isekai, FGO is the superior isekai
>>268147551>MT only for """people""" who jacks off all day and should be kicked out.Regardless of if you're shitposting or not, you still have the intelligence of a frog.
>>268145972I hate Rudeus's personality and the wish fulfillment in Mushoku Tensei even though I find the story and world more interesting than Frieren's. So for me it's Frieren.
>>268147586Let's be honest, nobody would care about that anime if it didn't have genuinely disgusting pedo MC as shock value. It's the hook just like the rapes at the start of Goblin Slayer.
>>268148987I feel like the premise of "little boy is a prodigy and we follow his life as he grows up in a fantasy world" is enough of a plot hook, the pedo isekai shit is just weird and becomes outright irrelevant later on in the story.
>>268148102Most actual normies I've talked to about anime are into stuff like shounen, Studio Ghibli or sports anime. Normalfags aren't the main audience of flagrant wish-fulfillment stuff lile shield hero or Overlord.
>>268145972Freiren is soft warm rice in lukewarm water. It has no taste. Completely neutered character interactions. Mushoku Tensei, in comparison, is a full course meal at a 5-star restaurant.
>>268149056>the pedo isekai shit is just weird and becomes outright irrelevant later on in the story.Thanks for the warning, DROPPED
>>268149211It's the Dull Man's Fantasy.For unimaginative people.
>>268145972They're not even remotely similar.
>>268149211>food analogies found the american
>>268149211Nothing about pedo tensei except for some cherry picked s1 scenes is "full course" quality
Aisha sucking my left nutNorn sucking my right nutLilia devouring my buttholeDick buried to the base in Sylphie, riding meAriel sitting on my face, orgasming and pissing down my thirsty throat and chin and chestEris wrapped around my left arm and sucking my left nipple as my fingers fiddle about inside herGhislaine wrapped around my right doing the sameLinia and Pursena kneeling on the floor at the foot of the bed, masturbating as they slobber all over my toes.Roxy licking my left ear and whispering sweet nothings into itNanahoshi doing the same on my right, in JapaneseZenith behind my being my tit pillow as she strokes my head, reading our minds and it making her all the hornierAll hopped up on aphrodisiacs. All heavily pregnant.
>>268149211this. frieren just doesnt feel like like a real story, with real characters. feels like it was written by ai
>>268146048The tranny discord butblasting alone justify this kind of plot also in novel that old jujired guy fuck the rudeus sister (the one in middle) and the other rudeus sister the redhead one wil ddile rudeus and eris son and wil make kid with himmushoku tensei is better because haracters are better
>>268148366Nothing wrong with being a pedo, and getting ED because of trauma is understandable
>>268149211Michelin stars only go up to 3
why not just read both you fat autistic faggot
>my quirky anonymous persona online is a one-dimensional angry guy
>>268147375lmfao, how does it feel to have brain damage?>>268147561It's not a western cartoon trying to push a moral message on you. It's just representing grief. That's how grief works, little random things will remind you of someone you're grieving for. You can go long stretches of time without thinking about them and the things you are reminded of are often things you never gave much thought of while they were around. >There's nothing to it just, "appreciate even the simple things in life now so you won't regret it in the future".This is 100% the wrong message to take from grief and from the series.
>>268145972Mushoku Tensei. How can you take a medieval fantasy story without sex seriously?
>>268149211You made your post disgusting on purpose, yes?
>lmfao, how does it feel to have brain damage?No argument. Coping and seething. I accept your concession.
>>268149211Hilarious to use Scorsese who literally remakes blockbuster Chinese movies into mediocre American movies due to his lack of creativity. Like how he remade the Infernal Affairs trilogy into The Departed. Dude even changes the ending of the movie so that the bad guy gets caught, when the whole point of the series is that he is in continuous hell.
>>268145972Haven't watched pedo tensei yet, but I'm here to vouch for Frieren anyway. Outstanding features I'd like to call out are character development, density and soundtrack. Some fags here like to call Himmel perfect while ignoring how much of an annoying narcissist he was, or that he tried to beat a kid for flipping Frieren's skirt, and also failing to kill a demon child which led to further casualties.
>>268145972The fact that Mushoku Tensei is less popular than Frieren is the testament to the decline of anime audience.Infantile "adults" that can't handle any actual down to earth heavy hitting themes hate Mushoku, while they're simultaneously cheering for superficially heavy ones like in Frieren that don't really have a place in real life. People don't actually like when the fantasy is in some way the reflection of real life, this is why I always find people complaining about "escapism" in Mushoku Tensei so laughable.
>>268145972Frieren has absolutely nothing on Mushoku Tensei.If you compare their sources the manga and the LN I don't know how anyone with a straight face can say Frieren. Characters their interactions and how real they feel in MT is also a stark contrast to how characters behave in Frieren.Even worldbuilding wise while MT is nothing to write home about it's still much much better than Frieren.Action sequences when they matter are also better executed in MT. Overall plotline is also better in MT with Rudeus just trying to live his life despite the Hitogami vs Orsted autism(which we'll get to in S3).They're both good series but MT is the absolute peak of both fantasy and isekai genre.
>Infantile "adults" that can't handle any actual down to earth heavy hitting themes hate Mushokuwow, it's only 5:39 AM and I've already seen the most retarded thing I'm gonna read today!
>>268150729>this is why I always find people complaining about "escapism" in Mushoku Tensei so laughable.So true, sister. They don't understand how masturbating to your underage niece's shower footage and getting kicked out is a truly down to earth and relatable experience.
>>268150775>>268150804MT is head and shoulders above everything else you see, nothing quite like it has been written really.There existed some very mediocre isekai series in the past, series that didn’t even manage to surpass MT’s mediocre arcs(academy)You see when it comes to isekai there was first the dark age.Twelve kingdoms, escaflowne etc.These are all works that were mediocre to the core, absolutely unremarkable series made for the female audience forgotten in like a few years and nobody even talked about them for ages. Do you notice how you have to constantly barge in MT threads and remind MTchads how their inferior series also exist? This is because they’re inferior and if you made a thread about them they would die quite fast. In fact they wouldn’t even get like 2 replies. I know this is a hard pill to swallow.But anyhow, before Mushoku Tensei there was the dark age of isekai. Works such as I mentioned above were frankly trash and nobody took them seriously.Then came the age of shousetuka ni narou: leadale no daichi nite, Meikyuu harem, Re monster and some new narou series started sprouting but also not many people gave a rats ass about those. Because they had this one gimmick and bam author wrote themselves into a corner they quickly devolved into cheap fast food type shlock. Nobody even cared how they would end and most of them never did end either or ended in a way that was awful.But then came the light of civilization so to say. Came MT which was like the Roman Empire civilizing all the barbarian savages. It opened the gate. It opened the way.Sadly of course, even after it showed others the way none of them managed to surpass MT and to this day it remains the king of fantasy
>>268150856
>>268145972MT S1 > Frieren > MT S2.
>>268146048Kek so much this. They are so defensive whenever someone brings this up.I have also seen several MT light novel screencap, its so funny how that reincarnated character have sex in that story, cementing the status of wish fulfillment for this crap
>>268150864>>268150992It's over bumpslut you lost the moment MT got an anime adaption cementing its status as the best fantasy series.
>nobody takes his bait>switches sidesembarrassing
>>268150775>>268150804>they didn't read/watch itliterally what's the point of discussing any serious critique of MT with people like you if the best you can come up with is "MC bad, therefore all of it is bad" I've never seen a single person that actually finished the entire series and had anything bad to say about it by the end
>>268150856Female Isekai >Political intrigue >Plot>Focus on story and characters>Unique world building >Originality Male Isekai >Video game stats>Powers/cheats>Sex wish fulfillment >Generic fantasy with same Tolkien racesHow is female Isekai better than male Isekai?
>>268151106Because it just is dumb femcel
>>268151053>I've never seen a single person that actually finished the entire series and had anything bad to say about it by the endCrazy thought, but it might be because the vast majority of people that had issues with the story would have been filtered at some point and never bothered with going all the way to the end, and the ones who did were the ones who were very into the things it offered in the first place.
>>268151119That picture works better for male fantasy wish fulfillment fags.
>>268151126>muh survivorship bias no, any real prudes were filtered at the very startpeople who were only slightly uncomfortable managed to push through and like it by the end>inb4 "proof?"yeah, my younger brother and female cousin who I both recommended it to, both of them loved it by the end
this is really low quality bait
Mushoku is better overall, but Frieren is comfy if you need to relax.
>>268151049>anime adaptation means goodCome on, you got to be joking for this post, besides I've read several MT summary from this site despite never reading or watching this light novel slop. Everything was there, the tropes of your usual isekai slop, wish fulfillment thing, main character born with some extraordinary talent, and on top of that, harem. They just managed to coat that entire sloppa tropes up with a good looking skin suit that is rudeus, but behind that skin suit of a person lies a true fat neet gooning addiction guy soul that somehow kept getting ignored by the fans of this sloppa to this day. Maybe this is a form of a coping or some sort.Nobody would attack your series had the isekaislop wasnt there, you can just simply make rudeus a rudeus and people wont look at this series as a whole wish fulfillment thing, just sayin
>>268151319it's funny how every now, and then we get someone like you who comes in spouts out their entire assortment of buzzwords learnt on 4chan, and everyone ignores it because everyone that actually read MT knows it's factually untrue.
>>268147317>give the pedophile a free pass for his wrong doings, lots of riches, top-level magical powers, 40 year headstart over his peers, and girls who are worshiping him and surely he will be a better personThis is it pretty much. I can understand the message of MT regarding Rudeus growing into a better person after being giving the chance of a second life, but it's kind of undermined by just how much of a harem wish fulfillment package he's presented with just for developing a decent work ethic rather than being a NEET. He does still faces proper hardship and the road isn't completely paved for him, so I won't call MT bottom of the barrel formulaic trash, it's Ahead of the pack among its kin, but the core of the message does get muddled somewhat.Something like Faraway Paladin presents a similar message but I feel it works better because it's less extreme, both in the MC's initial awfulness and his eventual wish fulfillment rewards. Some people would call it bland, but I enjoyed it more.
>>268151440You cant deny a single point of that statement
>>268145972>reddit vs. reddit filterI think it’s obvious
>>268147317>>268147487>>268147551>>268147586>>268148065>>268151106>>268151319This, no one has brought it up yet but Frieren has a higher MAL score of 9.35, the highest score ever in fact.
>>268151479Konosuba does that message better
>>268151747Kazuma isn't a pedo though
>>268147661Bite your tongue white rubbish
>>268151730>most common denominator of anime has higher scoreColor me surprised>the highest ever score in factYeah, still not surprised. It is as if Frieren story is written by AI that succeeded writing a generic fantasy anime that has the broadest target audience ever
>>268151818He's a faggot.
>pedo pedo pedo pedo pedoYeah, sure is Twitter in here.
>>268149056I'm a pedo and would rape roxy in my first day reincarnated as rudeus but my problem with mushoku is how he still thinks like he's a child even though he should be around 50 at this point.
>>268147352>native isekaikys
How does /a/ do it? Even with all it's flaws it still manages to maintain a level of quality far above the other media boards.
>>268152023Is Ruby from Oshi no Ko a 30 year old woman?
>>268145972Both are slop for NPCs but Mushoku Tensei at least had a tiny bit of originality in it (Islam isekai, protagonist is just like The Prophet Muhammad). Slopslop no Slopren pretends to be different because of the fake "we already defeated the demon king ..now...this is the aftermath...so deep" premise. It's a generic "fantasy" setting copy pasted from standard isekai slop except the protagonist is a fake loli for redditors and there's a fat cow who makes a funny face for the zoomer tik tok audience. .Basically, TL;DR>Mushoku Tensei is the GRANDFATHER of isekai it INVENTED isekai fr fr sheesh^quoting Mushoku Tensei zoomers>Frieren is the MOST THOUGHT PROVOKING fantasy anime ever, goated banger^quoting Frieren zoomers, who are even more mutt blooded than the former
>>268152082Stopped reading your post immediately after the word "slop".You have terminal brainrot and need to immediately return to your own shithole, now.
>>268152012hes literally a pedo though wtf are you talking about
>reincarnationThe title already tells you it's trash
>>268152076Sarina was still young when she died so it's a bit different
>>268152082>slop NPCs (Islam isekai). Slopslop no Slop "so deep" "fantasy" isekai slop fake loli redditors zoomer tik tok. .>Basically, TL;DR>>isekai isekai fr fr sheesh>^zoomers>>fantasy goated banger>^zoomers, muttgo back
>>268152184>i-it doesn't countStop bending the rules when it doesn't suit your agenda.
>>268152082Frieren looks like a JK not a loli
>>268152115>immediately returnI know that you want to larp as "ive been here since the 1980s actually" oldfag, but you will always be a subhuman zoomer nigger mutt who hasn't even been here for longer than MushoslopI remember when redditcucks like you tried the same with "based". I always update my lingo with whatever makes you soimutts seethe the most.
>>268152218>yes, i unironically larp as a zoomer faggotgo back
>>268152207I didn't say it doesn't count, and I don't like oshi no ko either. If people think frieren's worldview and portrayal of grief is shallow, oshi no ko's portrayal of the showbiz was even more shallow.
>>268152257As long as you stay consistent and agree that Ruby is a 30 year old woman larping as a teenager, then it's whatever.
>>268152257>some immortal elf fucking up her relationships with her friends due to autism is the same thing as pedos reincarnated to their pedo obsession
>>268152338Learn to read because that's not what I'm saying at all
>>268145972Frieren, even at it's worse Frieren still hold true to it's narrative values and the story doesn't try to be some profound exploration of the human mind, it's just a story about appreciating the time we have while we still can.MT is good by Isekai standards but as soon as you put it against other manga you realize this is just a slightly better written wish fulfilment slop.
>>268147317>>268151479>nooo you can't have good things in life just by hard work alone, you need to suffer and then maybe be let into good afterlife when you're dead but only if you're lucky enoughprotestant theology has been a disaster for humankind as a wholeYou're the most miserable people on Earth
The dialogue in MT makes it almost totally unwatchable. He sounds like 2ch but everyone in the series isn't rolling their eyes or asking if he is retarded. It feels so disconnected from how people would react I guess?
>>268145972Mushoku by far. All Freiren characters are mary sues and gary stus. And the "story" doesn't go anywhere
>>268152490>He sounds like 2chIn his mind?
>>268152485Christians are the biggest pedos on Earth. Imagine thinking religion is relevant in modern society.
>>268149477what the fuck? did you even attempt to speak english?
>>268152383>read>sayingare you typing or talking?
>>268145972IQchartwithstandarddistribution.png = MTIQchartwithUshapeddistribution.png = Frieren
>>268150729It's the complete opposite.MT is just a juvenile story made to attract specifically young men who want to lose themselves in a fantasy world that has enough Depth to distinguish itself from the rest of the slopsekai market, but it is still part of it as the target demographic consumes said slop.That's why MT world building sounds great when you watch the show but the second you start telling someone about it you will get laughed at because you are doing the Isekai version of thinking JJK or CSM are mature and adult works just because they have dark themes.Frieren can be enjoyed by adults more easily because it isn't concerned with presenting itself as some profound piece of literature, instead it touches themes and experiences lots of people can find relatable (or not) and sticks to the basics of storytelling while moving it's story.
>>268145972Haven't watched MT yet. Frieren I found pretty dull, almost entirely because of the characters. It's like they're incapable of reacting to what goes on around them. Ended up dropping it after 12 or so episodes. Nice art and presentation at least.
>>268152681>Frieren can be enjoyed by adults more easily because it isn't concerned with presenting itself as some profound piece of literature, instead it touches themes and experiences lots of people can find relatable (or not) and sticks to the basics of storytelling while moving it's story.FMA does all of that but better without a medieval fantasy setting and a stronger plot.
>>268152656more like>right skewed distribution = Frieren
>>268145972Neither. Both are trash
>>268152681You don't have any idea what you're talking about, do you?
>>268152082>Mushoku Tensei is the GRANDFATHER of isekai it INVENTED isekaiThis is not a good thing, if anything this proves how shit MT truly is
>>268152681>Frieren can be enjoyed by adults more easily because it isn't concerned with presenting itself as some profound piece of literatureIt doesn't come off that way to me with how slowly it drags out some of the reveals like hiding mana. It often felt like it tried so hard to increase the impact that it fell flat.
>>268152681MT worldbuilding is shit though, the author is so lazy that one half of the map is some political clusterfuck called the Divided Zone while other is le stable empire the MC waa born in. The other landmasses are underdevloped with ine half being some non militant christfag empire and the other being a gigantic rainforest full of furrie, elves and dwarves. Then theres the demon continent a fucking desert with very ancient looking cities.
>>268152714Agree, but I wasn't talking about FMA...>>268152749You sound mad, feel free to point out why I am wrong
>>268152827>feel free to point out why I am wrongyou sound like the equivalent of a 90s christian mom yelling about violence in video games or satanism and magic in D&D/fantasyacting like an expert on something you have absolutely no idea about, while so convicted in your belief that you won't even see for yourself because you can't be wrongi.e. you're talking so much out of your ass no counterargument can be given because everything you just said is just factually wrong
>>268152792The selling point of Frieren is the way it handles emotions and it's themes. People who for one reason or another can empathize with what's being presented won't mind the slow pace because that way you can get a better taste of the moment. But at The same time people who don't find those themes interesting or can't empathize with whatever is happening at the moment will look for something else to find enjoyment (maybe the combats, the world, the art, ETC) and that's were Frieren starts falling short, and the slow pace will only make these shortcomings worse.>>268152793The thing is that MT is, relatively, huge. You can more or less lose yourself in the world and learn about it, and that feeling of "exploring" and discovering what else it has is genuinely fun, even if objectively the World building is nothing to write home about, by the time you realize it you've already spent lots of time reading it and is likely you will stick with the series because of that.
>>268153008The history is also boring le humans vs demon race war twice
>>268152998>you sound like the equivalent of a 90s christian mom yelling about violence in video games or satanism and magic in D&D/fantasyMeds >you're talking so much out of your ass no counterargument can be given because everything you just said is just factually wrong>no counterargument can be given>because everything you just said is just factually wrongHuh?
>>268147317you stink so much of twitter is not even funny
>>268152793>MT worldbuilding is shit thoughyeah except there are hundred years of lore explanation why it is the way it is, that anime either skipped or skimmed over because it's not important to the main storyJust a reminder that MT was never supposed to be the main story set in this universe, it just so happened because MT got popular and the author decided to ride the wave of popularity instead of ending it and writing something else
>>268153055literal pigeon chess
>>268153008>The selling point of Frieren is the way it handles emotions and it's themes.I wouldn't say it really stands out in general, but I can understand that it stands out among the shows that usually get a lot of mainstream attention.>won't mind the slow paceI think you're conflating two different things. It's not about the pace. It's about stretching out one reveal with little bread crumbs while keeping you focused on it. All of the times they said something along the lines of "demons can't hide their mana" were absolutely grueling. I wasn't praying to get back to action, I just wanted them to stop turning the tiniest bit of information into a drip-feed hoping that the viewer will be shocked when they get to the big reveal that the reason it contradicts what we already know is because it's about society, not individual ability. That in itself is fine, if less minutes of dialogue are wrapped around it. The re-watch value of some episodes is negative.
>>268147317I would have had agreed with you, but Frieren turns into another generic shounen slop when they introduce those retarded Demons>It's over Aura..... MY MANA IS OVER 9000!!!!!!!!The manga doesn't get better either because Time Travel exists in Frieren, which ruins the whole "m-muh passage of time" you faggots enjoy bringing up every time
Frieren: The anime for midwits and dullards.
>>268146569>relies far less on emotional moments for the sake of emotional moments,kekkef
>>268145972They're both good, why can't you faggots get along?
>>268152082this trigged the kids
>>268152124At the end of the story when he's the strongest living human with the most possible connections he never once goes for a child. But yeah, ofc beating 17 years of bad habits and behavior in a day makes him a pedophile
>>268145972Mushoku Tensei is an above average isekai, Frieren is undistinguishable from an average isekai. I think Mushoku Tensei has the edge here
>>268155797Roxy
>>268156014Roxy is older than him though
>>268145972>cringe high school battler vs. cringe harem shittough choice
>>268156143Roxy looks like a kid
>>268156183>harem shityour average harem shit wishes it could be Mushoku Tensei
>>268156251its very vanilla harem shit with a generic boring MC and generic boring girls.
>>268156295Nothing comes close to MT
>>268156251That red haired maid on the right is an infant fucker
>>268145972tenseifrieren is just trash
>>268156204So? She isn't a kid no matter how much you want to twist it
>>268156308all harem shit is shit. I dont care if you think theres different flavors of human feces
>>268153151People's obsession with discarding anything that isn't the most basic plot summary just to speed things up have been disastrous for the world of adaptations, even outside of anime.
>>268156491MT is also better than your favorite anime.
>>268156295>vanilla harem>boring MC>generic boring girlsLiterally the only harem in recent memory where the MC actually fucks and takes the proactive role and the girls are not just female orbitersyou gotta bait harder
>>268156334freiren, tensei is just feelings
>>268156532no matter how hard you simp for your shit anime, no girl is ever going to love you. stop trying to live vicariously through shit anime
The actual issue of Frieren is its terrible character dynamic. Stark is a mental punchbag and most relationship in Ferien is completely one sided. Sein was an attempt to break the stasis but author being a hack and cant write a story to justify his existence. Instead forced to resort shouren tropes to replicate Aura arc's success and flood the series with characters so they could come up with more arcs. Yet Stark is still mostly neglected in them in favor for new characters, despite being a core party members. Even he is likely to have a proper role in the coming arc he is still going to be overshadowed by Ubel-Land pseudo gyaru romcom.On the other hand MT has actual character dynamic. Character's relationship change a lot and their growth is the major appeal of the series. I was going to use Eris as an example but Ruijerd is better for lack of harem faggotry to be called at. Rudeus' action is able to change Ruijerd's worldview and pull him out of essentially solitary in the demon continent. And his failure stop his solo min-max mindset and learn to cope and cooperate. Their growth and changes in relationships is something never going to happen in Feieren-Fern-Stark setup for their personality. Unless somewhere very late in the story Feieren is able to cut Fern/Stark off. If Sein is not coming back in next 10 chapters Feieren is completely worthless to me.
>>268156627I'm simping for the masterpiece that is MT not any girl or character in particular.
>>268152588Religion may be irrelevant, but they did put the ground work for some retarded logic and sufferfagging for the slightest perceived sin
>>268145972Frieren.Mushoku is isekai and all isekai is garbage
>>268157635>native isekai is not garbage, because... because it just is ok???
>>268157717>isekai = anything that takes place in a fantasy world
>>268156204So does Rudy
>>268147317This
>>268149137The anime paints a poor picture about what Overlord is about. Ains is a loser who's only friends are NPCs who don't offer real companionship like his old friends did. He despretately clings on to the past by conquering the world. I swear it's not complete power fantasy slop.
>>268147317>Frieren's themes:I really hope this is carefully crafted bait.
>>268157717is native isekai a term pedophiles and retards use to identify themselves
>>268161442yes anonyou finally got it, just don't tell others
>>268146855>I always found that term incredibly stupid. Native Isekai = just fantasyThe only people that thinks it's stupid are those too dumb to understand it. Most of them do the mistake you do and assume it's equivalent with fantasy or replacing fantasy. Only a genuine retarded moron would come to that conclusion. Anyone who has watched than more than 1 anime(i.e. not newfags) immediately grasps the the meaning of native isekai.>>268146924Illitterate retard
>>268152588>>268157389
>>268150864Most literate Frierenfag
>>268147414>he just lost his mom, dadHe never cared about paul or zenith. He was depressed because he messed up, not because he lost paul.>and right arm in the last episodeAnd it gets fixed and the healed in no time lol> He's going to lose a wife to a rat next seasonSolved with time travel shenanigans and rudy never actually loses anyone.
>>268149477>it's okay that it's meritless garbage because muh culture warImagine being so retarded that that you let other people decide what you're allowed to enjoy. Fuck off, brainrotten /pol/ trash.
>>268147297yet after the prologue, no one dies in the present. So much about the elf MC experiencing loss and grief. The evil characters are all redshirts demons who are there to die. Evil humans can get away with everything, not one evil human character died in the story.
>>268152656Both are just a vertical line at the far left of the chart. Isekai fans are fucking universally retarded.
>>268145972Mushoku for sure, it's pretty decent I give it 7/10Frieren I don't even what to rate it cause I already forgot about it. Maybe I'll rewatch it someday.
the one that is not catered to pedos
>MTpedo shit
>>268162635>>268162363Being for pedos is not valid criticism.
>>268151730So what? Gurren Lagann had a higher one and it stayed in that same spot for three years. MAL scores don't mean anything because they eventually fall over time unless schizophrenics have bots to keep the score in place.
>>268162635>RebelPandaI'll be honest, this is the most hypocritical fag I've ever seen in my life, look up his twitter (if it's still up lol)Literal pedophile projecting his own insecurities
>>268162635That faggot still not dead. Frieren is for normalfaggots redditors seaniggers pagpagshithole Philippines and Indonesia brown and ESL phaesejanny monkeys seaniggers hololive simps zhangs BBC Blacked e-girls whores.>>268162716Mal is for redditors and Twitter Tumblr trannies jannies. Go back to >>>/trash/ where you belong
>>268145972Frieren does not change the story to favour a harem. So the answer it's pretty obvious.
>>268162635>>268162672>>268162769>>268162787
Frienren is a respectable showIt respects the viewer and itselfMushoku Tensei pushes the limits of pandering to the scum of societyIt is overall sexualized wish fulfillment self insert "I am reborn in a perfect world I'm going to rape an underage girl hahaha and make a harem with other underage girls!" I wonder what the average Mushoku Tensei fan looks like.
the one that is catered to pedos like myself
pedo show
>>268162861>>268163270so basically frieren fags are subhuman commies kek
Frieren would be a 10/10 if it had shown Fern mounting Stark and raping him.
which one whas the most rape in it? I'm a rapepilled rapecel and I cannot abide by consensual sex. Women MUST be raped
>>268163326I would take a communist over a self-insert neet /pol/tard still living with his parents.
>>268163504Mushoku Tensei is pro-rape. Rape is legal unless it is done to nobility/royalty.
sad thread desu
>>268162823There is no story without the harem as the main drive for the harem is that Rudeus and Roxy are destined to fuck each other to create a plot device called Lara. Lara is the key to defeating the main villain the Human God. The other wife Eris also had a plot device descendant called Ferris who helps in defeating the Human God too. Its pretty stupid and obvious Rifujin ran out of ideas by Volume 12.
>>268163528The communist part and the NEET living with his parents part aren't mutually exclusive.
>>268163504Redo of Healer is for rapecelsMushoku Tensei is for consensual harem chadsFrieren is for actual incels
>>268145972Frieren is better if you want something more serious and less horny.
>>268163678It is a fact that more communists are educated and successful.
>>268147352>native isekaiI'm a industrial steampunl isekai enjoyer myself, still waiting for someone to make some anime in that non-existing genre as well thou...
>>268145972Mushoku Tensei is better if you want something more mature and more realistic.
>>268151818Gr8 b8 m8
>>268163827Yes, it is a known fact that pedophile losers reincarnate as magicians when they die. Very realistic.
>>268147089frierensissies...
>>268145972They all need to be bred. Frieren, Roxy and Norn the most.
>>268163919I know right? As realistic as fast food hamburgers and ice cream in a fantasy world.
>>268163919He didnt reincarnate his soul was sucked in through a dimensional hole created by a being in that world he comes from because she fucked up on her aim. The actual target was a boy next to Nanahoshi. Rudeus isnt a reincarnate hes actually a soul animating the corpse of a stillborn infant.
>>268145972Frieren is woke/feminist. If you want something anti-woke, Mushoku Tensei is the one you're looking for.
I have come to the conclusion that both are gay and I won't watch either
>>268163910He's 16/17, Megumin is 13/14, and Darkness is 18/19. How is that pedo unless you want to argue Darkness is one as well?
>>268163720more educated and successful than /pol/tards? that's not a high bar. and we know for a fact that a MAL user communist is not one of those educated and successful communists.
>>268163680Redo of Healer is for IncelsFrieren is for VolcelsMushoku Tensei is for both
>>268162635lol this retard calls everything pedo or sexist while being mad that a yaoi show featuring a 15 year old didnt have more lewd scenes
>>268145972Frieren, it ain't Isekai, and actually tried some new stuff
>>268165230Stop consuming slop. There is absolutely nothing new in Frieren.
>Mushoku Tenseiconfirmed pedo show
Frieren. Classic fantasy.
>>268145972I dunno, I haven't gotten around to watching Frieren yet.
>>268147089This only proves MT is made for normalfags. Thanks anon
>>268145972MT isekai is better and more interesting characters
>>268165580So, you're with Reddit then?
>>268165411MALtard and a moralfaggot
>>268165134Proof? Source?
>>268165230>tried some new stuffsuch as...?
>>268165803Massive hamburgers in a fantasy world.
>>268145972MT is better. Frierenfags in this thread pretending Frieren is innovative in any way is hilarious. Frieren's world is the same JRPG style world as any Isekai, with the DND races and no significant changes whatsoever, at least MT tries adding new races and gives a different spin on the demons vs humans shit, while Frieren is just "Demons are cartoonishly evil and that's it". Frieren's world is just comprised of the same copy pasted medieval-like towns with chuuni german names, just literally compare the two world maps and Frieren's world map is just boring as fuck. Frieren, the character, is just a boring female self insert that has a gigachad love her for no reason, and being willing to die a virgin due to how loyal he is to her, despite receiving zero in return, all while she is also a gigapowerful mage prodigy, having no significant flaws. Frieren is an isekai pretending to be pure fantasy, literally just switch the genders here and make Frieren be reincarnated and it's the same boring powerfantasy isekai garbage as any other. This isn't me bashing Frieren btw. I still like it, but the push to make this series seem like a 10/10 masterpiece saviour of fantasy anime is fucking retarded. It's a good fun series and that's it.
>>268145972Both are great.
>>268162080Becase it's not death that creates the grief for Frieren, but the passage of time. Her friends had peaceful deaths (including Heiter who you could say died in the present), so she isn't sad that they died but that she didn't get to spend as much time with them nor appreciated their company as much as she should have because of her perception of time.
>>268166517yuck
>>268166511nobody is saying that, mushoku tensei is silly pedo self-insert cringe.
>>268165411>>268165747>moralfag calls himself a rebelis this a parody account?
>>268145972Frieren is NOTHING, I tell you. NOTHING!!
>>268145972Can't we all just get along and agree Re: Zero is terrible?
>>268145972Why is musholu tensei the most overrated series in the last decade? Everyone with good taste can tell its generic wish fulfillment slop for loser incels that don't have careers like real adults.
>>268170394>generic wish fulfillment slop for loser incels that don't have careers like real adults.Those losers are a sizeable chunk of people who watch anime. We're also on 4chan, where those same losers are the majority.
>>268170394Is that why you watched it?
Both MT and SnF fags will love the Isekai Suicide Squad. MTfags will resist a bit longer, SnFag will love it immediately after first episode airs at 4PM JST today.
>>268170394>Why is musholu tensei the most overrated series in the last decade?I hate mushoku tensei but the most overrated sersies is objectively frieren
Frieren>>>>>Meshi>>>MTMT is almost unwatchable unless you are a coomer and into the fetishes it presents
>>268145972fuck off with your shitty bait threads, faggotthey are nothing alike, and are both good at the type of story they tell
>>268171700This except they are both shit
>>268145972MT better i fell asleep watching frieren first couple episode
>>268171826This plus dung meshit is shit too and the nico nico shill spammer got BTFO because that site got killed by based hackers
>>268147607is a wish fulfillment trash for self inserters and those slops are popular between SEAniggers and Mexicans and they are millions
>>268145972Mushoku is literal pedo porn idk how it's not classified as hental or whatevsFrieren is if you want something to watch who cares about the pedo one
>>268172054There's hardly any ecchi in MT at all, I swear you faggots must be super prudes or just literal homosexuals. I went into this series expecting full on Shojou Ramune and didn't get it.
>>268145972The Beginning After the End is better than Mushoku Tensei and it's a Korean manwha. Frieren is better than both.
>>268145972Frieren and is not even close. Pit it against Fumetsu no anata e and you may have an actual fight.
Read all of Mushoku, dropped the Frieren manga during the labyrinth stuff. Mushoku takes it by a country mile
Mushoku Tensei is the peak of human literature, Frieren is generic af and the anime is slow and unwatchable
>>268172125>Pit it against Fumetsu no anata e and you may have an actual fightYes, it's very hard to say which one is lamer.
>>268172114Your brain is coomerfried idiot
>>268172223>theres no fireworks and tits bouncing every 5 seconds on my screen>therefore its slow and unwatchable
>>268172469It's slow and unwatchable, yes
>330 replies4chan is gone, isn't it?
>>268172525It's not like the threads can become any worse as it is.
>>268172465>Your brain is coomerfried idiotReddit is that way, faggot.
>>268172596Fuck you your pedo wish fulfillment world shit has no place here pedophile
>>268145972Comparing Freiren with Mushoku Tensei is like comparing Peppa the Pig with Lord of the Rings. Freiren has no depth whatsoever all characters are cardboard cutouts with 0 real personality and the "world building" (if we can call it that) is a joke.
>>268172939kek
>>268145972Neither. Both are lame as fuck Frieren is shounen slop for the lowest common denominator, trying to be something "deeper and meaningful" than it actually isMT is just wish fulfilment for the overworked wageslave Nip
>>268172889Gonna cry about it? Huh. Maybe piss yourself and jerk off to tranny porn?
>>268172577it was never here
>>268162080Lol, why would more people die? She's still grieving the deaths of her friends. She's an elf, everything takes a long time for her. Humans grieve for years, it makes sense that she would grieve for decades.
>>268145972Mushoku Tensei, it's not close.
>>268172889Says the Frierenfag
>>268156251what is zenith thinking in this pic?
>>268145972Frieren because no adaptation decay unlike MT
>>268145972MT because 2nd season unlike Flopren
now I understand why some of you faggots defend the garbage that is pedo tensei, the MC is literally the majority of you lmao
>>268172143>MC with a girl on his backthat girl is about to being groomed innit?
>>268175303Why did you just dox me????
>>268147317>can we find common grounds with beings incapable of understanding moralsNo. Remove demon.
>>268145972Shit Tensei is just the most pathetic harem shit ever, so it loses automatically.
