Seems Ryou won't draw Reiji and Nagi's happy life because of an ethical thinghttps://x.com/ryo_minenami/status/1816395432320479661?t=5SR9sE4Fu9oeb3PmD3ryCg&s=19>Thank you very much!>I've always been serious with those 2, so don't expect me to paint a lo-res, happy picture... ever (ToT.)>I hope you you'll be left feeling frustrated with them again and again!Don't expect the final tank have additional shit about them btw.About Yuuko and Akira's resolutionhttps://x.com/ryo_minenami/status/1816393708985803095?t=uhDRfukwi-4A4mAMpvoCFg&s=19>Thank you!>Shiba-chan was the best heroine, she was consistent to her story until the end.>Now that Yuuko won over Asahi for good, she is finally been able to separate from Reiji.Also, anon from >>269185536, use this thread to say what the implications from the final kinospread line were.
Nta, but the implications are clear as water.>Nagi chose to sever things with Reiji by dying alone.>Sensei is the woman who's living with Reiji. Her being consistent and best heroine means she went to chase Reiji after extinguishing the Chino family remains and finally marry him down.
oh this looks like a fun one
>>269186425Can you post the raw?
>>269186425>Now that Yuuko won over Asahi for good, she is finally been able to separate from Reiji.Google translation is bad and 旭 is read as Akira of course and not Asahi. Just so that the tweet isn't even more misleading than the fucking rushed ending of the manga.
Sensei won.Nagi didn't want to tell her true name to Reiji. That's why she went back to call him Reiji-kun and put thay sad face.The happy end was for Sensei. Reiji's end was bittersweet. Lost the woman he loved, the woman who loved him won him over, they're living with Esemori's ex because Yuko's in jail.Also, sensei Yandere eyes in her final panel means she chose to drown in her abyss, so giving up on Reiji was a tempirary setback. And Sensei's personality is basically the one of a battle shonen manga protagonist, so it's natural for her to rise back and win over Reiji through sheer willpower.
>>269186694https://imgur.com/a/KhjgTL2
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>Senseischizos and their delusions You never stop, do you?
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>>269186425>>269186694>>269186792>"Hey Reiji-kun, from now on we..."Is a better tl? The fantl is so weird
>>269186945What a happy loving family.
>>269186971>>269186957Lemme reach those pages to explain what does that mean that specific line in the RAW.
>>269186425>I've always been serious with those 2, so don't expect me to paint a lo-res, happy picture... ever (ToT.)Didn't she already do that with that doodle of them in the beach?> Don't expect the final tank have additional shit about them btw.There's still the scene from the first chapter to happen so I guess it's inevitable for them to appear
>>269187004>Stfu you fucking old bitch.About time you grew balls.
>>269187027She's also drawn many happy moments with them together. She's just being edgy.
>>269187031>I fucking hate you too.>>269187027The scene from ch1pg1 already happened. It was Reiji about to be whisked away by his Thanatos no Yuuwaku.
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>>269187109>0:01So it's saturday 25th already.
>>269186957the translation from When was so bad in this chapter.
>>269186957It's supposed to be a parallel to chapters 2's spread where she asks him if he wants to lover suicide. You can see that the exact same words are being used in Japanese.It's cut short this time but after the epilogue we can basically deduce what she said: "how about we live together ?", "how about we start a family together ?" or something along the lines.
>>269187143Yuri chose to drown by herself if her regaining her yandere eyes is a hknt.
>>269187081> The scene from ch1pg1 already happened. It was Reiji about to be whisked away by his Thanatos no Yuuwaku.Nope, out of the people morphing there, none was Nagi, and if you notice the wording in the first chapter it fits with what we now that they will be together for life
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>>269187179> It's cut short this time but after the epilogue we can basically deduce what she said: "how about we live together ?", "how about we start a family together ?" or something along the lines.>>269187191She will say just that and then he will accept, then she will say she's glad he will be dying with her
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I don't know if i'm the only one who feel like that but Akira and Yuko romance was better than everything. The flashback chapters when they were kids was the peak of the manga. I feel like in the end the weakest characters were the main couple of Reiji and Nagi. Nagi backstory was a big letdown for me and i don't know why but i felt like Ryo never really decided where to go with Reiji. His character changed all the time while never really changing it's hard to explain. Yuko best girl, i will miss her...
honestly I'll be more interested in the epilogue showing the core of the town being completely destroyed>Akiyama Tea invariably gone under after Chako's family fell apart>Minegishi Construction under new management after everything about Masaharu came to light>Shibasawa Table Tennis completely gone>curse of The Kuroses finally liftedeven if Ryou doesn't want to overtly show the MCs having a happy ending, I think showing The Town after all of the cycles have been broken would be incredibly cathartic
>>269187267>>269187269It's a tragedy, that's what makes it the highlight of this manga. It's basically nip Jack & Rose.
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>>269187269Nozoe and Yuko's story would have never worked without Reiji, he's the reason it ended on a positive note and not a tragedy porn for the sake of it.
>>269187269Same anon, I loved Yuko and Akira story so much, I hope ryo draw them meeting up again in the epilogue
>>269187269>Nagi backstory was a big letdown for meNo idea why Ryo held back so much just for a shallower version of Yuko's backstory. So fucking stupid, man.
>>269187356Is it really a positive note? It's a "good lie" but still a lie in the end. Reiji wasn't even their kid.
>>269187341>>269187179>>269187191I was gonna say that, but that was the point. It began with.>Nee, Reiji-kun, watashi-tachi mo ima kara shinjuu shiyou ka.So ending with...>Nee Reiji-kun, watashi-tachi mo ima kara (issho ni) ikiyou ka....makes sense. It's undoing the suicide pact with another pact, and that leads to the ch1pg1 scene and the...>Shounen wa aisuru josei to hikari wo mezashite......opening line.
>>269187495This is ambiguous
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>>269187536The implication of the sakura petals in the timeskip flying after cutting off Nagi's line was that they "saw the light". Spring is a season associated to birth.
>>269187499Yeah, that will make the ending even better in my opinion. But still it could be that we only will see that about Nagi and Reiji, with their future left "open"
>>269187534How? Akira can't shape-shift into someone younger than he was at that time. Or maybe i misunderstood something because i'm dumb as hell? please enlighten me anon
Why she so edgy? Also, what ethical thing?
>>269187583>>269187534Ryou's explanation of the scene was anything except ambiguous. You remember when Akira promised Reiji he was gonna take Yuuko with him? That's what he did. He took her abyss with her saying a pleasant lie before kicking it.
>>26918758320 years of prison for Gen huh that's rough
>>269186425do gen end with chubby? he won
>>269187652Stop MTLing. He got out of jail at the age of 20, not stayed in it for 20 years.
>>269187673He's still gay anon
>>269187629ReiNagi moments were drama-fuel and taken seriously by Ryou, unlike the scenes with Chako or Yuri where she was able to joke around and say lighthearted comments on her X.Remember she said on the final interview she gave to the YJ Abyss is a work where she showed her ego the most, but wasn't her culmination as a mangaka.
>>269187745>>269187713He was sexually confused bc
>>269187673>>269187713It's up to imagination but it's definitely not impossible since they're going to live under the same roof in Tokyo.
She will never show Reiji and Nagi happy together because she wants us to keep frustated like while reading the entire story about these two. I think this fits
>>269187773...Reiji was Yuuko's son, all bc Yuuko gave him his 1st boner and he simped her as a result.
>>269187614Does he particularly need to? He could have just looked younger at the time. If it was impossible, Yuko would have never believed it. And if you're calling her delusional, that would require evidence as she hasn't been described to be such a person, and we might as well throw out her perspective entirely at that point.
>>269187813>>269187745>The most nonsensical, worst scenes were Ryo being as edgy and egotistic as possible.Yeah, that tracks.
>>269187835She never lied, the only lie she ever did was saying all that shit to Reiji to make him free from his abyss.
i have a hard time being excited for or cheering for nagi's win considering she had the least screentime out of any heroine in the manga and we only got her backstory at the very end.why is the least developed heroine always the winner?
>>269187815>>269187813Yeah, i think so.>>269187783Let's see if Chako makes him get his 2nd 1st boner.Redampu endo. Maybe i'll buy the digital v18 and see if i do a proper final thread in 3 months.
Esemori didn't tell Yuko it was him. She had another schizo moment.He was already dead by the time Reiji came in.
>>269187887Because the most developed was sensei and yanderes never win.
>>269187887I talked about specifcially this in the last thread, Nagi's fate is extremely binded to Reiji, it's impossible to develop her character without also developing his, therefore pushing the plot forward. She was always the clear winner since the beginning, you can't make her win without ending the manga
>>269187887To make us frustrated until the very end and give us a feeling of unfinished. Reiji and Nagi made us mad and frustrated with their passive personality the entire time, so it fits perfectly.
>>269187745>>269187813Honestly I'm already pretty satisfied with this color page, it tells us what we need to know.
>>269187910Forgot the page. Traditions are kept 'till the very end.Tbf, i'd like to see Babeko losing her v with Gen. She got a major glow up and became fap material, while i think Nagi lost her sex appeal since Ryou decided to draw her in a more cutesy way since 159. Bijin vs Kawaiiko dilemma.
>>269187955They had that conversation before Reiji even arrives there tard
>>269187443I think it was a thematic/symbolic choice. Yuko and Akira's flashbacks were long and drawn-out because both of them heavily romanticized their past and linger on what could have been.Nagi's trauma was much more severe, with no upside at all; she had spent her whole life trying to forget it and survive, failing in both aspects.Either that or Ryou just sucks at pacing and couldn't plan them both out appropriately.
>>269188040And the one bubble kanokari-ish kinospread from the end basically shows they are now basically blank canvases and what awaits to them is a large blank slate they'll have to paint together.
>>269188123It was imagined
>>269188202>It was imaginedYou can't be serious right?
>>269188177Basically this
>>269188239You're blind
>>269188326Low IQ detected
>>269188239If you consider Yuko crazy enough to seriously confuse Esemori with a kid, then it isn't that far off the realm of possibilities
>>269187835How would she not recognize him though? Even if they didn't see each other for years, he was the only man she ever truly loved she would recognize him instantly if he was the bedridden guy at the hospital.
just hide any posts that talk about esemori being or not being reiji's daduse that little box with the minus sign in it
>>269188361Yuko was never crazy anon, she was tlling the true the entire time, the one that was a fucking schizo was Esemori
>>269188364I agree, this discussion is very boring now that there is no chapters left
>>269188342Ironic
>>269187495In the end, Akira was able to understand, accept and love Yuko, and it let her cut off Reiji.
>>269188362She sees him like a kid/teenager because it what she sees when she looks at him with love, that's the only other explanation that fits too.
Whole lot of cope in this thread
people are talking about yuko at the end like she was even 1% in her right mindshe was barely alive, fucked out of her mind on anesthesia and probably painkillers, so what if reality distorts a little when he childhood crush shows up?
Their love story
>>269188517It would have been so much better if it was just about these two.
>>269187499Exactly, it came full circle and they chose to live together instead of die together.
>>269186425>I've always been serious with those 2, so don't expect me to paint a lo-res, happy picture... ever (ToT.)>I hope you you'll be left feeling frustrated with them again and again!Considering she did exactly that all the time with her scribbles and sketches throughout the run Ryo's shitposting game remains sharp as ever
>>269188142Considering Mao was introduced early on but had fuck all character, I'm blaming Ryo's planning
>>269188362She said she always suspected it was him and knew when Reiji was born. People who don't believe it call her delusional or crazy, but that's just another theory.The fact of the matter is that the nothing fully checks out and relies on contrivances. You have to make shit up or suspend your disbelief one way or another. The rest is just faggots and their egos getting in the way. I believe this kind of stupid discourse was Ryou's intention.
>>269187143>So it's saturday 25th already.What was the meaning of that?
>>269188926Nothing checks out if you subscribe to the schizo theory that Esemori came back to the town and forgot having sex with Yuko. Everything fully checks out if you assume Esemori never came back to the town and Yuko fucked a kid and wanted to believe that it was spiritually Esemori.
>>269186425>Don't expect the final tank have additional shit about them btw.I still expect something to a flashforward showing a child implied to be theirs or something like that
>>269189059reiji means midnight
This shitty series made me appreciate Pun Pun that much more,Thank you Ryo.
I won't praise this mediocre shitThis could've been so much betterI'm glad it finally ended
>>269189200>Pun PunEdgy shit with one of the most gut wrenching, mean-spirited and demoralizing ends ever.Even Asano said Punpun got the worst ending of all the cast. Basically having to raise a kid that isn't his, forced to be with those who treated him like shit, living a shit life, never being able to mourn Aiko, meaning the event will haunt him fornthe rest of his pathetic life and not being able to die anymore, even if he wants to.That shit is edgy for the sake of being edgy. Gladly Asano got over his edgy doomee phase after getting married.
>>269188798Seriously. She's always drawing them like that. Senseischizos bought into it lmao
>>269189076>Everything fully checksexcept for the fact that the characters don't believe that and you need to fabricate reasons for why they would, which would do the same for the other theory. So yeah, just faggots and their egos, I'm fully aware.
>>269189597>the characters don't believe thatYuko asks Esemori "that was you, wasn't it?"Meaning she doesn't know. She's seeking affirmation.Esemori can either say yes or no, and he says yes because he knows having this belief means a lot to Yuko.You don't have to "fabricate" anything, you need to see their states of mind and understand why Esemori might lie to Yuko and say "yes it was me".Meanwhile, on the other side, you need to explain>How Esemori got to the town, into the hospice, in the body of a child that Yuko didn't recognize as him>How he got out of hospice with Yuko thinking that he died>Why he doesn't remember any of this
>>269189714Stop replying to trolls. Just stop. Ignore them and they'll go away.
>>269189458And he got at it again after divorce, even made a manga about him seeking prostitutes to heal the pain. Also, thats the problem with punpun, the mc hates himself so much that even when he gets everything he always wanted, it end up being destroyed. So the ending is the mc self tortured because he never believed he should be happy since childhood.
>>269189714>Yuko asksShe suspects, believes, which she never would have if it was fundamentally impossible, because, uh, y'know, she fucking worked at the hospital. So whatever contrivances you feel might be the case do not apply to the work itself.>fabricateYou do, because you have to make it shit up to rationalize otherwise. Anyone can do this.
>>269189803>Ignore them and they'll go awayLmao no they don't>>269189841>which she never would have if it was fundamentally impossibleYour argument is becoming incomprehensible. She believes in will-o-the-wisps. She harbors the hope that the boy was spiritually Esemori, because he definitely wasn't physically Esemori.
>>269188517Damn, half of the town really plowed that.
>>269188517Yuko was blonde?
>>269189076Yeah it fully checks out that Esemori had a conveniently terminally ill relative that shared his exact appearance and also impregnated her. Yuko would also be somehow mindgaming herself into thinking he IS Esemori. Definitely not a massive asspull and hyper-convenient conclusion. Glass houses, nigga.
>>269189920>She believes in will-o-the-wispsAh, look, more theories and rationalizations.>She hopesEveryone hopes. That does not convince them of the impossible.>He definitely wasn't physicallyYou are welcome to believe that, but the story does not confirm this in any way. By the way>Your argumentShut the fuck up and don't put words into my mouth. Don't think everyone is like you who try to force their bullshit down everyone's throats, dude.
>>269190001Ash blonde. Reiji too.
>>269190007Yes, it is convenient. But convenient is notably not impossible as is the case with a grown ass man sneaking into hospice care to have sex with his waifu just to forget all about it after not dying of the fake terminal illness he had to conceive to get in.
>woman has slightly silly supernatural belief/delusionvs.>hospital infiltration/exfiltration, body appearance changing, and amnesia I'm content that things have been explained to the point where anyone who isn't retarded or intentionally trolling can see which side's argument holds water. I'll do what the guy said and stop responding. Let's get back to talking about the end of the serie.
>>269189458That's because Asano wanted Pun Pun to suffer. I don't blame him for writing it that way, Pun Pun killing himself would just be too ironic. Making him suffer through life was the most realistic way to end the story even if it might not have been the best. It does get overly edgy, like the eye scene, but it's mostly bearable. The one thing that i really disliked about the series was the whole cult plot, you could immediately tell that shit was shoved in the story because Asano was running out of ideas for the main plot.
>>269190326If anyone comes into this thread going "wait but is he the father? why are people saying he is and isn't?" just link them to this post and ignore them. If the still don't understand it, they too are either retarded or trolling.
>>269186425>Don't expect the final tank have additional shit about them btwThat's good because i literally give zero fucks about them. Extra pages better be Yuko and Esemori in the afterlife
>>269188517In the end they saved their son Reiji. Best love story ever told
>>269190326>"Distant relative">So distant he is physically identical to Akira to the point he may as well be a clone >Somehow knows Akira's penname despite him cutting all ties to his family> Same book autism. Conveniently giving Yuko "Spring's Coffin", the love letter Akira wanted her to read >Totally not Akira You can believe whatever you want. Not buying the "distant relative" shit for a second.
I'll miss sensei
>>269190513>saved their sonIt's their fault he was in that spot to begin with. More like they finally did what they should've done ages ago.
Ryo is never gonna fully clear it up witch is why she wrote it the way she did. Personally that's enough for me
>>269190236>convenient is notably not impossibleNo it's actually perfectly possible, as there are countless excuses for damn near everything. Doesn't the change the fact that your logic involves poisoning the well and diminishing the the input of the characters involved to push your theory, while denying how fucking hilarious it is to buy the distant relative angle. The worst part of all this is that you don't even realize the irony. How fucking bad of an author do you think Ryo is that she would introduce this random ass identical Esemori clone at the last minute to be the father? That's is a writing faux-pas that even a middle-schooler would call out as utter bullshit. And guess what? When the writing is this bad, ANYTHING is possible. You shoot yourself in the foot no matter which way you swing, but keep pretending you have a high ground lmao.
why did esemori appear before her as a shota
>>269188517In another world it would've been a cute romcom
>>269190567>>269190822>clonehe very clearly isn't a clone thoughhe's a young boy who looks like esemoriyuko notices they look similar but it OBVIOUSLY ISN'T HIM, you know, the reaction you'd have to seeing a distant relative of someone you loved?trying to compare "the convenient existence of a distant relative" to "an undescribed elaborate operation to sneak esemori into a hospice ward under a new identity without him remembering anything" as both the same degree of disbelief-suspending is extremely disingenuous and people are right to stop replying to you.
Putting the father business aside, I feel like it's a testament to Ryo's writing that several of us in the previous threads already caught onto Yuko letting go of Reiji intentionally, and that her words were not entirely true. Now Ryo confirmed it. The writing isn't all shlock and it annoys me that people reduce it to that. BA is a fairly logical work.
one of strangest things I find about this manga, is that Nagi barely has any substance, screentime, and development to her throughout this entire manga. Ryo literally gave Yuko and Yuri the most pages, screentime, focus and development and yet even by the end with her Nagi's backstory, it still means very little compared to Yuri and Yuko. Hell, even Nagi's backstory is literally Mao's backstory and not Nagi's. Even the final climax is between Reiji and Mao. How can a writer begin and end a story about a character with so little focus and substance?
>>2691908221) Ryou said she can't show explicit happy ends2) Yuuko is a schizo. She saw Esemori in Reiji and saw the hitodama im the past.
>>269190934>he's a young boy who looks like esemoriLooks exactly fucking like him. And you say "young boy" as if people in their 20s can't still look young.>Yuko notices they look similar but it OBVIOUSLY ISN'T HIMSays who? Sure you're not leading with your own circular reasoning? I love how you completely ignored the point I was making just to repeat yourself because you have nothing more than ad nauseum. If it was OBVIOUSLY not him, Yuko would never have a reason to suspect it was him, without you trying to convince us that she was actually retarded. Something that does not hold up in the slightest. >The worst part of all this is that you don't even realize the irony. How fucking bad of an author do you think Ryo is that she would introduce this random ass identical Esemori clone at the last minute to be the father? That's is a writing faux-pas that even a middle-schooler would call out as utter bullshit. And guess what? When the writing is this bad, ANYTHING is possible. You shoot yourself in the foot no matter which way you swing, but keep pretending you have a high ground lmao.
>>269190934I don't give a shit whether you stop responding to me or not. In fact, I'd welcome it. I decide what begs the limits of my suspension of disbelief, not whatever the fuck your take is. Like I said, believe whatever the hell you want. I don't buy it. End of discussion.
>>269191012>>269188034Read the thread retard, or at least read Ryo's interviews where she talks about Nagi's character
>>269191035>1) Ryou said she can't show explicit happy endsWhat part of this is happy? Who told you that Chako didn't have a happy end, because it sounds like she made it out perfectly fine.>Yuuko is a schizo>A woman who was asleep and injured for a prolonged period sees shit different immediately when she wakes up, compared to further along the line when she's lucid or even well before her accident.>and saw the hitodamaThe fuck makes you think this was her hallucination? Can I have your source?
>>269190936>The writing isn't all shlock and it annoys me that people reduce it to that.ESLs are a thing, midwits are ESPECIALLY (and will always) be a thing. These can be mutually inclusive. Circumstance is infinite, perception is limited.Interact with those you see fit, disregard those that you don't. If nothing else, they keep the thread bumped.
I'm an average-intelligence third party not-troll and I still don't know if he's the father or not.
>>269191115then that just proves just how terrible a writer she is. Nagi is literally a macguffin you jabroni.
>>269191061Guy's trolling, either that or he's actually retarded, 2 characters confirm something between themselves in the end of the manga and he argues that somehow they're both schizos and he's the one with the truth
>>269191012>one of strangest things I find about this manga, is that Nagi barely has any substance, screentime, and development to her throughout this entire manga.Tbf it's unnecessary because it wouod feel redundant with Reiji's story. Nagi's story is basically a mirror to Reiji's. If she had more screentime, it would feel overly redundant narrative-wise.Ryou said she didn't know what to do with her character.The panel where Nagi was touching Reiji's cheek (picrel) said everything:She's basically fem!Reiji, a walking redundance plot wise.
Didn't the distant relative die anyway?
>>269191213I think you're just sad that Sensei didn't win, Nagi's character is perfectly fine for this story, I don't see how she could have been written in another way
>>269191211Me too. I think the "Esemori is the father" side has better points though.
>>269191211Because Ryou deliberately wrote this in a way to prevent clear answers. Anyone who tries to give you a clear answer or say that it's straightforward is talking out of their ass.>>269191217And of course, his response to this will obviously be that Yuko is hallucinating. How fucking convenient.
>>269191240No, Esemori doesn't die until the end.
>>269191240Yes, that's what hospice care entails.Esemori clearly didn't die back then, which means he was not that boy.
>>269191422retard
>>269191289>Nagi's character is perfectly fine for this story,bruh..... when an author literally says's she doesn't know what to with her own character, it practically points out Nagi is a terribly written character.
>>269190936It's clear to me she didn't spoke thruthfully, being tearfull about it make it explicit. I guess people will have different opinion on what part of truth was here. Honestly I don't believe Yuko really wanted a daughter, some part of her was probably affraid she would continue her familly curse if she did.In the end, it was the only way they could get their feelings through, as tragic as it is. Wonder how aware of it Reiji is.
>>269191422What if Esemori died and Yuko allucinated all of Shounen no Abyss because she got into a comma for the trauma of having to deal with the yakuza oji-sans?
Nagifags got cucked by Reiji...
>>269186889Hello, may I ask if you could possibly upload your own translation for the chapter on MangaDex, please?
>>269191422So, why in the world would Yuko consider Esemori the father if the boy was already dead? If it was impossible for Esemori to be faking being this kid, the logic was already dead in the water for her. Yuko is many things but she is not actually schizo.
>>269191476She always knew her story since the beginning, Ryo just didn't know how to tell her story without also rushing the plot. Think for a second, if Nagi told Reiji her backstory all the way back there wouldn't be a manga
I'm hoping for more Hatsukoi Zombie now that Ryo's free to move on to another projectMaybe in her next manga we'll find out they're all in the same universe
>>269191123>because it sounds like she made it out perfectly fine.This. She had one very shitty year before college, but managed to dodge the worst of her childhood BFFs' insanity. And will now profit off of it by writing her own book about it.
>>269191217>2 characters confirm somethingso? they can be wrong because mental illness
>>269191521Googletl sucks dick.>I wanna know too!! Seems like she only wants to tell (her name to) Reiji (lovely emoji)
>>269191217>2 characters confirm somethingso? they can be wrong because mental illness>Yuko is many things but she is not actually schizoshe act like one for the entire manga
>>269191591She's a dumbo (can't read books ffs) amd is so in love with Akira she will buy all the lies he would tell to her.
>>269192046>She's a dumboStopped reading right here. She's a nurse, and this is so ridiculous that you've already pushed me to the other side.
>>269191012You're absolutely right but that is what happened, and - as expected - it turned out absolutely lackliuster. I say this as someone who likes Nagi. I really appreciate her for her looks and her casual demeanor. She was great to see when she and Reiji were just goofing around or when she was leading him because he didn't know what to do with himself. That was the Nagi I liked. However, I was not the least bit interested in her drama. Not even a little. Ryou failed Nagi's story on every point .
>>269191591>Yuko acting schizo right in front of you>"She is not a schizo"You sure you're not just putting Yuko up on a pedestal like Akira did when he was young?This is the woman who effectively killed her boyfriend for true love and orchestrated the disappearance of her husband.She considers Esemori the father simply because that's what she wants to be true.All she wants is for someone (mainly Akira) to be with her. Esemori finally accepted her this chapter, allowing her to let go of Reiji.
>>269191477>That's a good interpretation as well. I definitely believe there was a lot of truth to it at least. Though I wonder if Reiji realized what she was doing. He was either happy that he finally got an honest reaction out of her. Beneath their words, it actually felt like they were having a real conversation as a family>Son calling dad a deadbeat>Mom laughing at how similar they are>Mom and son yelling at each other
>>269192318>You sureI am. Yuko does not imagine something as effectively impossible as a dead man being Esemori. I am not interested in such a leap of logic.
>Esemori isn't the fatherYuko is a delusional retard that out of all of things he should be trying to put a positive spin on it, forget or misrember she chose this one. Also magical terminal ill twin distant relative to solve a plothole. >Esemori is the FatherEsemori misremembers the amount of times he went back to (The Town), and adds a +1 counter to his schizo episodes alongside the Uryu event. Also Esemori's obsession with Yuko is so big that the decides to LARP as a terminal ill twin distant relative and forge medical records because Yuko's pussy is just that good. It's a tie, both are equally as insane as the other.
>>269192318If she's a schizo, how are you taking details like hospice care into consideration or that Esemori lied when it could all have been in her head? Hell even the whole manga could be a schizo episode from the mental illness that Yuko conveniently develops at the last 4 chapters of the manga
>>269192520They don't realize how far the rabbit hole goes. Yuko being a schizo is an ad hoc rationalization of events that would poison EVERYTHING. But they must do this because their theory fucking collapses. It would be so easy for them if they just admitted that they don't know everything, but these idiots won't
>>269186425He won Yuko's heart, the one and only who managed to do soMade Yuko slicking to his book every single night in the jailBe a wingman for his sonBe a better mentor for ChunkoThe absolute madlad
>>269192365Oh yeah, there was definitly some truth, I think it's purposefully made so that the exact balance between lie and truth is open to interpretation.But her thinking he's ungratefull and hating men (somewhat reasonable) was true, and she does have some anger toward him. It's just obvious that it was:>I hate (love) you, leave and never come back
>>269192733It's like "I love you so much I wont force you to be with me" similar to what Gen did
>>269192733Beautiful. I just wish it wasn't so short.It needed a whle chapter.
>Thank you very much >I was trembling as I drew Shiba's final adult pride. Haha.What did she mean by this?
>>269192671Shame it took him three loveless mariages, 20 years of drug addiction, a career dedicated to her, a absolute schizo scheme and terminate illness to understand how he still trully loved her.
>>269190807It's clear as day. Esemori thought Yuko meant that she knew he came back to his.mother funeral while Yuko deluded herself into believing that Esemori used gypsy magic to make himself look 15 years younger and managed to larp himself into hospice care at her hospital just to impregnate her.
>>269192671If you think about it, he was pretty much the MC>Yuko and Reiji go without saying>His novels inspired Chako and gave her an escape from the pain>He gave Nagi hope and brought her to ReijiHis most distant relationships are with Gen and Sensei but his influence still reaches them.
>>269192807Now that I think about it, every character done that for Reiji. Gen, Sensei, Chako, Yuko...
>>269192829subconsciously begging sensei for forgiveness for not letting her win even though she should've
Mao is so lucky...
>>269192846You're actually mentally ill, Esemori didn't do magic you cocksucker, we all have seem him looking younger at times because that's how Ryo portraits him (specially in Yuko's POV), you're actually illiterate, Yuko being mentally ill has to history whatsoever, Esemori is the one with a record. And even worse if Yuko is the schizo this fucks up your own whole theory because you're relying on her POV
what if the tank/epilogue resolves nothing and still leaves things open-ended and the unfinished novel Chako read turns out to be the manga we've been reading the whole time
>>269192985>the unfinished novel Chako read turns out to be the manga we've been reading the whole time100% that this is what's going to happen, it's too kino not to do it
>Thank you for your hard work >Anyway, I love “Shiba-chan-sensei” so much.>Thank you very much!>Ryo reply:>I love her too!!>Who could the woman living in the mountains be…?What is the meaning of this Ryo? lmao
>>269192969Anon, I don't think that post was serious. It reads like he's mocking both sides.
>>269192969Nice projection retard. You LITERALLY see the fuzzy white light around Esemori here to showcase that what Yuko see and hear is not reflecting reality. He's not even fucking conscious this chapter yet she thinks he answered her.>>269186911>>269186945>>269186971
>>269193121>senseifags getting baited even after the enda fitting fate
>>269192969>>269192846Did Esemori also do magic here while he was talking with Reiji in chapter 160? You're literally an autistic schizo that can't fucking understand something unless it's said on your face, Akira just looked younger because it was Yuko's POV of him retard, she loves him and that's it>>269193122The Esemori isn't the father retard actually believes this shit, he goes on about how he must have done magic to look young (just as I was typing this) >>269193167
>>269192969>Esemori didn't do magicNo shit he didn't. Him being that boy would have required it to stealth into hospice.>Esemori looks younger at times because that's Yuko's POVYes, which is also the same cognitive function that lets her overlay Akira's younger self onto his relative at the hospital.>Yuko being mentally ill has no historyHer being mentally ill is nearly the entire manga
>>269193222>Her being mentally ill is nearly the entire mangaNo, retard. Yuko is a psychopath. She is not delusional. There is 0 evidence for that.
>>269192869She was scared that sensei would kill her too? lol
>>269193198>gets this fucking upset when his retarded schzio delusions doesn't add up to what is shown in the mangaWe're not having this discussion again you schizo ragetard.
>>269192846>Esemori thought Yuko meant that she knew he came back to his.mother funeralYuko literally told him the entire story. Holy shit, what is wrong with you people?
>>269193254>Yuko is a psychopathPlease be bait.
Ryo really doesn't hide that sensei is her favorite character. Sheesh.
>>269188926>She said she always suspected it was him and knew when Reiji was born. People who don't believe it call her delusional or crazy, but that's just another theory.Like clockwork, lmao
>>269193317It isn't. This guy must have some trauma with women, the whole reason for his delusion of Yuko developing schizophrenia in the end of the manga is because "she's a whore" in his view
So will Chako ends up with Gen ?
>>269193317Read the manga.>>269193374>This guy must have some trauma with womenYou can stop projecting and just read what people are telling you. Maybe that way you'll stop presuming your ridiculous theories are true.
>>269193332Sensei was and always will be the best girl
>>269193393Yup, Chacute won bigly
>>269193317In what way is it bait to call Yuko a psychopath? The term is commonly used for egocentrics who lack empathy and manipulate others for personal gain.
>Thank you for your hard work on the series. I love it so much that it almost makes me neurotic.>I love Yuko Mama so much that I even think I wouldn't mind living in that town if I could be with her.>Ryo reply:>Thank you!>Another person has fallen for Yuko... lol>I think she'll gently bring you down too.＾＾I love Ryo, but can't you blame him? I would fall in her abyss too.
>Reiji's father was some random dying kid Yuko fucked at the hospital because he looked like EsemoriDid we get FARMED bros?
>>269193487can*
>>269193428>>269193479You have no clue what a psychopath is. You're literally born as one. You can't become a psychopath later in life. Fucking retards I swear. She just got fucked in the head after all the trauma she endured. Has nothing to do with psychopathy.
Yuri fucked this ?!
>>269193121they're all living bonobo style, fuckin dirty every single day.
>>269193593budget reiji
I'm just now realizing that Yuko fucking Esemori's relative in hospice parallels Nagi fucking Reiji at the beginning.>Just once, I'd like to kiss a woman.>In the end, if I died with Nagi Aoe the idol, maybe I'd be a little happy I got to be alive.the positive cycles overcame all the negative ones. love wins in the end.
>>269193121The threesome end became true? lol
> But hospice care!!That was something that only Yuko said, there isn't external confirmation for that> But the kid died!!Yuko would literally have known that and everything in Abyss would have played out differently (at least if she were to try to hide it, it would have been foreshadowed earlier)> But Esemori used magic to disguise himself!!If you actually read the manga he has appeared in that same way multiple times despite actually being older> But Yuko is a schizo!!If she's a schizo then you can't use her story as a basis for your theory> But Esemori didn't know what she was referring to!!She literally told him the story> But infertile!!Yuko was also ""infertile"" but Reiji existsStop trying to look into something that the characters confirmed in the ending of the manga. No author is that retarded
>>269193564>You're literally born as one.Debatable. There are environmental factors linked to psychopath, and it causes development later in life. In any case, Yuko is a fucking terrible person. She's not actually, not a schizophreniac.
>>269193593doubt it, she's only fucked one person in her entire life and that was Reiji. She'd probably go on a vow of abstinence before letting anyone else screw her.
>>269193393why would she? what interest does gen have in her?
What are the chances that sensei ended up with Reiji? I think it's like 5% but I don't know with Ryo. This crazy bitch loves sensei too much. She could it in the epilogue.
>>269193652>That was something that only Yuko said, there isn't external confirmation for thatWhy in the ever living fuck would this not be correct?>Yuko would literally have known that and everything in Abyss would have played out differently (at least if she were to try to hide it, it would have been foreshadowed earlier)She didn't believe at all Esemori was his father. It's literally only now in her delusional state she started making retarded leaps about it>If you actually read the manga he has appeared in that same way multiple times despite actually being olderYuko isn't delusional seeing hallucinations...except when she is!>If she's a schizo then you can't use her story as a basis for your theoryShe only turns full schizo at the hospital >She literally told him the storyAnd we never got a confirmed answer from Esemori.>Yuko was also ""infertile"" but Reiji existsI have no idea what point you're trying to make here.>Stop trying to look into something that the characters confirmed in the ending of the manga. No author is that retardedThere's no confirmation. You just ignore everything that contradicts your retarded headcanon.
>>269193818THIS IS MY LAST COPE
>>269193487It's okay, random japanese kun. In the end, I still love Yuko too.
>>269193852More like my last fear. I'm 99% through the finish line.
>>269193818>>26919312150%
>>269193825>Yuko isn't delusional seeing hallucinations...except when she is!When?>She only turns full schizo at the hospitalShe has believed Esemori has been the father from the beginning. Congratulations on dismantling your own argument.
>>269193912>draws nagi and reiji holding handsnah, it's pretty explicit.there's no development that leads to sensei.
>>269193818>What are the chances that sensei ended up with Reiji?50% Either she did or she didn't.
>>269193825> Why in the ever living fuck would this not be correct?If he lied about not being Esemori, he could have lied about that to get a kiss/sex> She didn't believe at all Esemori was his father. It's literally only now in her delusional state she started making retarded leaps about it> When my son was born I finally knew, that was ypu wasn't it?> Yuko isn't delusional seeing hallucinations...except when she is!This is literally your own point, and check this>>269193198 for an example that Yuko wasn't even involved when Esemori looked young> She only turns full schizo at the hospital At the last 3 chapters she develops schizophrenia dude... Are you listening to yourself? > And we never got a confirmed answer from Esemori.> Yeah...Read the fucking chapter> I have no idea what point you're trying to make here.Esemori said he was infertile, same thing about Yuko because that's a point you Esemori isn't the father faggots make> There's no confirmation. You just ignore everything that contradicts your retarded headcanon.Speedreader
>>269194007that's...not how probability works.
>>269193825Shut up schizo
>>269194020I like how he goes from "Yuko is delusional!" to "She only went delusional in the hospital at the very end!". Even ignoring how he contradict himself, doesn't this mean we can't trust anything about this hospice scenario?
>>269193955>When?Seeing young Esemori, deluding herself into believing the literal teenager she fucked was actually him.>She has believed Esemori has been the father from the beginning. Congratulations on dismantling your own argument.Show me where this is stated.
>>269193995idk man, Ryo has baited everyone before with a lot of illustrations with reiji and the others having a moment. she's baited us plenty of times to have us doubt her.
>>269193995She loves sensei so much that she can make that happen off screen, you know that right?
>>269194020This retard genuinely believe you can just larp yourself into the hospice care section of a fucking hospital lmfao. The absolute leaps of logic you have to go through are fucking insane. Genuine mental illness.
>>269194143>to have us doubt her>usI don't think anyone's seriously doubting it aside from a couple delusional senseitards .
>>269194112>Seeing young EsemoriWe see Esemori young when he's by himself. That's artistic paneling, you mong.>deluding herself into believing the literal teenagerCircular logic. That is literally the claim you are trying to prove, not what actually happened.>Show me where this is stated.See >>269190807 Read the manga next time. Yuko told him everything and that is what he responds to.
>>269194112Speedreader cunt>>269194206We literally only see the hospice stuff from her POV, retard, no other person mentions that
>>269194206Hey, Yuko's """"schizo"""" right? Guess she just made that shit up.
>>269194240>We see Esemori young when he's by himself. That's artistic paneling, you mong.Prove it is.>Circular logic. That is literally the claim you are trying to prove, not what actually happenedNope, it's a literal fact. There's no way Esemori would have been able to deage himself 15 years and larp his way into the fucking hospice care section of a hospital all while larping like an entirely different person. The leaps of logic you have to make are insane for this to make sense. But you jusy ignore this as always because you're a mentally ill retard.
>>269194254>Yuko actually was delusional and thought he was actually a hospice care patient and a literal teenagers when he wasn'tYou're contradicting yourself
>>269194308> Prove it is>>269193198Chapter 160. I get it now, it's bait, how could I reasonably think anyone that read the manga actually would think Esemori isn't the father...
>>269194308>Prove it is.????????????? What the fuck do you think this page >>269193198 was about? or do YOU think Esemori de-aged himself by 30 years?>it's a literal fact.Your opinion is not fact.> There's no way Esemori Sure there is. He looks young.>fucking hospice care sectionBribed someone for something else. He's rich and they didn't give a fuck.
>>269192451>Esemori misremembers the amount of times he went back to (The Town), and adds a +1 counter to his schizo episodes alongside the Uryu event. Also Esemori's obsession with Yuko is so big that the decides to LARP as a terminal ill twin distant relative and forge medical records because Yuko's pussy is just that good.In this case, add the hard drugs cocktail Esemori constantly abused and fucked up his head. And the fact he's notorious for being a womanizer so he may have bribed the nurses through sex so he could LARP as that terminally ill little shit and be near Yuuko.>Yuko's pussy is just that good.Yuuko's tits are also nice. Not as big as Nagi's, but nicely shaped.
>>269194369That's not proof. That has nothing to do with Yuko LITERALLY being shown as seeing young Esemori through her eyes.
>>269194403>That's not proof.It shows that characters can look young simply because they are drawn as such for the moment. It is not evidence of a character having delusions LIKE YOU CLAIMED YUKO DID. So where is your evidence that she was delusional right then?
>>269194349He could easily lied to her about that to get a kiss you faggot
>>269194386>immense leaps of logic to make his headcanon make senseJust as I said. No amount of money will make a 30 year old look like a 16 year old teenager.
I love Yuko so much, even after the end she can make the anons seethe and lost their mind. She won even in reality.
So. Are we gonna talk about how Esemori and Yuko pair is anon's favorite part of Boy's Abyss since the loss of first love is /a/'s favorite projection theme?
>>269193028The last page is literallyP.S., I'm Chako - Ryo
>>269194442It's not evidence to either argument which makes your point entirely invalid.
>>269194456Illiterate. Go read some shounen if you need everything explained to you. You can't even understand artistic paneling
>>269194443>thinks nurses have no fucking clue who they're treating and patienta just lie in their face>thinks hospice patients are in the same ring as other patientsAbsolute fucking retard.
>>269194456>immense leaps of logic>Coming from the guy who thinks DEAD DISTANT RELATIVE is an identical clone of Esemori that has never been mentioned prior and that everyone else must be schizo to make it work.I'd say you can't make this shit up but that's exactly what you're doing.
>>269187269Nagi and Reiji were definitely the weakest characters in the story and it was all about them them them. Everyone else shouldn’t have tried to stop both of them from committing suicide because they were so damn annoying and it was wasted effort. Even Mao became a victim of their nonsense and that should tell you how bad these crybabies really were because even after all the misery Nagi and Reiji caused they got away from it scot clean. What garbage characters.
>>269194492No fucking shit dude, but guess what? You made the claim that it was true as proof of her being delusional>Seeing young Esemori, deluding herself into believing the literal teenager she fucked was actually him.So if it isn't substantiated, that means you lack evidence.
>>269194533Are you that stupid? If Yuko had reasonable doubts about Esemori being the patient, she clearly could be fooled by that
>>269194594lol you wish nagi got that much focus>mao became a victimmao wasn't a fucking character. what you mean """even mao"""? don't delude yourself.
>>269191521NagiCHADs can't stop winning.>>269191722Man this is such a great drawing. With just a few scribbles she has sent such a simple message.
>>269186425>Reiji got both Sensei and NagiI can't believe it.
>>269194635Yeah but um bro, have you thought that she might be SCHIZO because that's clearly the answer for every inconvenient part of the "esemori isn't the father" theory.
>>269186425RYO FUCK OFF AAAAAAAAAAAAAjust give me one panel we deserve it after all this time
>>269194594>Even Mao became a victimYou are not fooling anyone Mao. Stop with your gaslighting nonsense and enjoy the rape dungeon.
Some of you guys didn't get the joke here.Ryou saying she took Reiji and Nagi so seriously to not show their explicit happy end and saying it seems she'll only say her name to Reiji means she takes them seriously to the point of respecting their privacy after all the shit they suffered. And that will leave readers frustrated AND expect them to keep being frustrated.
>>269191521NOOOOOOOOOOO, SENSEIBROS, NAGI TOLD REIJI HER NAME, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE REJECTION AAAH
sensei will wintrust the epilogue plan
>>269193393Gen's gay.
>>269194683Have you ever asked yourself what are the implications of that to the rest of the story? And even worse, where could she develop this schizophrenia from?
>>269194504Not an argument. You can't disprove it because you know it completely contradicts your retarded headcanon and your mental derangement can't accept that.Reality is that either Yuko just fucked some kid that reminded her of Esemori and had some delusions while barely conscious after just having been in a literal comaOREsemori somehow deaged himself 15 years, managed to bribe himself into the fucking hospice care of hospital, managed to make an entirely fake journal that nurses would go after to take care of him, managed to larp as an entirely different person and then somehow forget ALL of this. Anf mind you the ONLY argument you try to convince yourself that Esemori somehow forgot something that would have taken many months to set up is because he was in denial about an event that was the most traumatizing moment of his life rather than him being a genuine schzio.
>>269194768>>269193198I'll just start answering with those posts
>>269193652>Esemori didn't know what she was talking aboutChronologically:Yuko says it's the third time he returned. (Both are in agreement on 3 times)However Yuko's 3 counts are Hospital boy, Bike return, and Deathbed.While Esemori's 3 counts are Mother's death, Importing Nagi, and Deathbed.The first homecoming is where they are in disagreement.For Esemori to be the father, he must have come back 4 times in total but completely forgotten the first time.It is only after Yuko tells him the story of the Hospital boy, that he realizes the mental state that she is in and has been in. He relents and says, yeah, that was me, before passing away.>Yuko was also ""infertile"" but Reiji existsIt was never written in text that Yuko was infertile, just that she had trouble conceiving with her then husband. This just means they had bad compatibility.On the other hand, the exact terms in Japanese for infertility (種がない) was used for Esemori with his first wife, which would have been long before the Hospital boy incident.
>people genuinely believes that Yuko is a crazy bitch that hallucinatesLMAO
>>269194758Anon, you're understandable confused, but I'm being sarcastic. I'm amused at how this entire discussion boils down to the assumption that Yuko MUST be schizophrenic. It's like a deus ex machina to check out a theory. While ironically casting out Esemori's LARP as a nonsensical DEM in itself...
>>269194807> It was never written in text that Yuko was infertileHow did she not get pregnant before all of this? Genuine question
>>269194807So how she got magically pregnant after a fucking with a random boy after many random men fucked her before?
>>269194834Yeah I see it know, I didn't read the bro in that post, my bad
>>269194806That's not an answer that all to what Esemori had to go through to set it all up and leaps of logic for it to make sense. Even if we believe your retarded headcanon that the patient looking like a literal teenager is just an artistic choice (despite also being referred by Yuko as somebody very young) it doesn't dismiss the other immense leaps of logic you have go through to make it make sense.
>>269194911Better yet. This random guy was Esemori's distant cousin who just happened to look exactly like Esemori. Did I mention that he conveniently dies after and was never mentioned before?Are you people reading this shit?
>>269194861Her husband became infertile She took birth control because she didn't want his childShe just got unlucky Her and her husband had not tried long enoughYou can add it up to a lot of shit.
>>269194988>She took birth control because she didn't want his childAre you fucking retarded?
This argument is almost parodical, because the real issue is that this subplot was written terribly. There is no way to move forward on the father matter without accepting that the writing is abysmal on at least one side. And if you subscribe to bad writing, where's the limit?
>>269194919How is a relative looking identical to Esemori to the point that Yuko seriously questioned herself if he was Esemori not a leap of logic? How is contradicting the characters not a leap of logic? Developing a mental illness in the last 3 chapters is a leap of logic
>>269194988>She took birth control because she didn't want his childBut she did. She was trying and wanted a child. A child was her entire happiness.And the problem with this is that these are ad hoc theories.
>>269194988Not the husband, I want to know about the other guys
>>269194967And that's worse compared to Esemori somehow getting himself into fucking hospice care, faking his entire journal to make himself a dying teenager and somehow larping as an entirely different person all while forgetting this entire period of his life?
>>269194648>>269194707>what you mean """even mao"""?ok let me explain>be mao>be worried for your suicidal niece and go looking for her>get stabbed unprovokedSo yes he is a victim.
>>269195087Your source of the hospice care stuff is Yuko, which means the main basis for your affirmation comes from someone you also say is unreliable
>>269195087>worseHas nothing to do with better or worse. It is simply HILARIOUSLY contrived and the pinnacle of hack story-telling, fit for an elementary-schooler. When you're this bad, Ryou can definitely make Esemori a hospice larper who fooled everyone and never aged for a couple years. All depends on how much you suspend your disbelief.
>>269194719After showing the series completion art, impossible. She was the one who gave up on Reiji. Unless she became the new josei no abyss. Her yandere eyes mean she chose to drown again.
>>269195038She was always mentally ill by that's not the point here. She was literally coming out of a fucking coma after almost being strangled to death and left in the water. Thinking this Yuko that could barely stay conciouss having some retarded delusions when fucking Esemori of all people shows up beside her is not by any means the leap of logic compared to the other alternative.
>>269195196>She was always mentally illMental illness is not a weapon you can use to define someone's stability in any way you choose.>comaShe has believed Esemori was the father from the beginning and she is lucid in the end. Stop your nonsense.
As expected it was a total Nagi win.
>>269195140Then why should we believe the entire story at all then? She might as well have made it all up then and there was no patient there in the first place. It's an incredibly bad faith argument all because it contradicts your retarded headcanon. There's no narrative reason for her to lie here.
Why it's hard to accept that she only wanted get pregnant and have a child if it was Esemori?
>>269195231Can't beat the red string of fate
>>269195230>Mental illness is not a weapon you can use to define someone's stability in any way you chooseMental illness is much more than simply being a schizo retard. She was literally fucked in the head from the start of the series.>She has believed Esemori was the father from the beginning and she is lucid in the end. Stop your nonsense.There's no proof of this.
>>269195294>Mental illnessAnd being mentally ill doesn't mean you hallucinate, you fucking idiot. That is what I was saying.>There's no proof of this.SHE FUCKING SAYS IT you speed reader.
>>269195270why do Nip writers always try to write stories about "Breaking a Cycle" only to always use some sort of Fate/Destiny Trope. It's like it's all they know especially with stupid Isekai and Shounen manga
>>269195249If we don't believe the hospice stuff then everything becomes ambiguous yet again. Which would be the smartest route for "esemori isn't the father" supporters to take. But unfortunately, they're not very smart.
starting to think i should reread this manga in japanese
>>269195338>And being mentally ill doesn't mean you hallucinate, you fucking idiot. That is what I was saying.Nope, which is why I said it was besides the point. Learn to read you subhuman.>SHE FUCKING SAYS IT you speed readerNo she doesn't. Only time she remotely does so is to manipulate Sensei. There's no proof she genuinely believed this.
>>269195393>No she doesn't. Kill yourself
>>269187745holy fuck what a pile of garbage, good thing i droped it when there were only 14 chapters outreminds me of chi no wadachi in that regard
>>269195366You can't selectively choose what is real and isn't based on what fits your headcanon the best. You can't have your cake and eat it to.
>>269195393>>269190807The guy is actually an AI without the capability of reading text in images it seems
>>269195433Show me proof she wasn't lying here.
>>269195468Why would she lie about that you fucking monkey?
>>269195506Why would she lie about the hospice care?
>>269194967Esemori's relative looked like Esemori because it was Yuko overlaying Akira's image onto him. Simple.
>>269195468Show me proof the manga isn't just Ash Ketchum in a coma
Everyone could have had a much better ending if Reiji had killed himself with his tree log waifu long ago. Their struggles in the end was pointless and only served to drag everyone down with them.
>>269195536Cooyright infringement.
>>269195528Because he lied to her about that and she was in love so didn't question it
>>269195436That is literally what I'm saying. If you decide Yuko is schizophrenic then throw the entire matter out the door because apparently, nothing she says is reliable. So we have no idea what happened. What a perfect waste of time
>>269195571>lying yourself into fucking hospice care, creating an entirely fake journal and larping as an entirely different person that happens to also be a fucking teenager makes sense but her just making shit up while barely consciouss can't be trueLmao, the absolute fucking leaps in logic
>>269195534In that case, Esemori looked like young Esemori because it was Yuko overlaying his youthful image onto him. Simple.Christ
So Yuri becoming the new josei no abyss (full yandere) means she may attempt to be a homewrecker.How long do restraining orders last?
>>269195662Yes.
>>269195626Either she's telling the truth or she's making a bunch of shit up. That's the point. You can't selectively choose what is truth and what isn't in her story based on what fits your headcanon the best.
I hope I'm not the only one who's laughing at this unironic schizo debate. This shit is priceless.
>>269195708>That's the pointYes, and I agree, so throw everything out the window. Nothing Yuko says can be believed, so it's all ambiguous. You CAN read right? I've explained it twice now.
>>269195662>>269195695She wouldn't get magically pregnant if it was other person than Esemori
>>269195710At this point I'm convinced the Esemori isn't the father schizo is either a troll or someone to pity so I'm just treating it as a shitpost
>>269195433I love how this proves that the anon has been debating this whole time without never ONCE seeing this page. So he's just talking out of his ass.
>>269195710Someone should make an Ace Attorney video about this
>>269195802We actually should. This is great material.Who knows how to do AAO shit?
>>269195545narratively it might've been better but all of the characters would've been much worse off. everyone relied on projecting their insecurities and failures onto Reiji+Nagi; if both of them died, all of those negative emotions and habits would've festered and left everyone even more miserable.reiji and nagi going through everything they did helped purify everyone's misdeeds. i've said before, the MC's stories were solved from the start, this series has just been the two of them untangling themselves from everyone else's lives.
Let’s all love sensei
>>269195741No, you misunderstand. Either she's telling the truth or she isn't. Both of these options means there's no chance Esemori is the father. For him to be the father you have to make the most retarded mental gymnastics and pick yourself what is true and what isn't>him looking like a teenager was just an artistic choice!>she lied about the patient being in hospice care!>but it's true that she fucked the patient!>it's true that she thought she was Esemori from the startEtc etc
>>269195828Reiji mabye, but Nagi didn't do squat. LOL even her answer to Mao when he asked her if he was a terrible person and she said "I don't Know" was equivalent to Star Wars "Somehow Palpatine returned" line.
>manga proved a lot of times that she never lied about anything>"nooo she is lyingggg", "she is a fucking schizo", "she is creating stuff"LOL
>>269195856If she's telling the truth, how come Esemori couldn't have lied about being a terminal patient?
Ryo draws Renji and Nagi happy together multiple times, but she won't give us a look at their future together?
it's kind of making me feel like i need to leave the shithole town that i'm fucking miserable in.
>>269188663Agreed. The lowest points of this manga are always the moments when the plot starts to focus entirely on MIDji and MIDgi
>>269195967well she technically did >>269188064
>>269195917Because if she's telling the truth the leaps of logic for that to be the case are insane>Esemori would have to somehow get himself to hospice care in the first case>he would somehow have to create an entirely fake journal>he would somehow makee himself look 15 years younger than he is to match his journal>he would somehow have larped as an entirely different person on the verge of death for weeks on end without breaking character>Esemori would somehow have to have forgotten this entire episode of his life which would have taken an immense amount of time, thought and planning to pull off. Literally months gone from his memory.
>>269190591All of us will...
>>269195917Yuko only needs to trick herself for her story to seem true to herself.But for her story to be objectively true and physically possible, Esemori in her story would have needed to trick the entire hospital.
>>269191123Don't bother with that lad. His headcanon is too strong. And thinking that Chako's ending wasn't a model happy ending is just pure retardation.
I'm already feeling sad because we won't have these schizo discussions anymore ;_;
>>269196046I get it, you have Alzheimer, either that or you're purposely ignoring that your points have been disproved 10 minutes ago
>>269196124Ad hominem. You have not disproved anything I said in that post.
>>269194827After seeing schizo posters claiming that Esemori morphed into a young, dying teenager, to fuck Yuko at the hospital, it doesn't even surprise me.
>>269196046>>269196146>Because if she's telling the truth the leaps of logic for that to be the case are insane>>Esemori would have to somehow get himself to hospice care in the first case>>he would somehow have to create an entirely fake journal>>he would somehow makee himself look 15 years younger than he is to match his journal>>269193198>>he would somehow have larped as an entirely different person on the verge of death for weeks on end without breaking character>>269195571>>269195140>>Esemori would somehow have to have forgotten this entire episode of his life which would have taken an immense amount of time, thought and planning to pull off. Literally months gone from his memory.> Uryuu
>>269196121Yeah, it was fun to participate in those convos or simply read them. The level of schizophrenia was really high in them. But anything is bound to end someday.
>>269196244Everything, you wanted to say?Also, Sensei won. I repeat, she won and is living with Reiji.
>>269196225Read >>269195856You can't selectively choose what is true and what isn't based on what fits your headcanon the best. That's not an argument and doesn't disprove anything.
>>269196285This is literally what you are doing, how can hospice stuff be considered true if Yuko's a schizo (that magically was developed just for this occasion)?
Not being clear in the end is just bad story telling. Maybe Esemori really was there in the hospital bed for Yuko to mate with like a demon in heat and didn’t remember but now we will never know.
>>269196356We know, he confirmed it
>>269196348I'm not. I'm saying it's either true, which means he can't be the father because the leaps of logic you have to make to make for that to be the case are turbo retarded as explained here >>269196046Or it isn't true, which means Esemori isn't the father because this whole nonsense is made up regardless.
>>269196376Lol, prove he wasn't lying or do you genuinely believe Esemori somehow regained several months of memory back after Yuko told him the story?
>>269195856No actually. If she's lying, then there's no proof who the father is, and Esemori has memory problems, while Yuko still believes he's the father. We end up nowhere. Sorry.
>>269196428> it's either true, which means he can't be the fatherHow it cannot be true and also he is the father?It simply makes sense, he could have just said he was a terminal patient, Yuko believed that and that's it
>>269196633Esemori showcased on time when he had memory problems, which was for a mere moments during the most traumatic moment of his life and was caused by him trying to convince himself a lie.He wasn't a full blown schizo that lost months of memories at a time.
>>269195901it really wasn't. she told the man who ruined her life that she straight up didn't care about him. he didn't matter at all to her anymore. ironically, her empty apology was the only one she ever truly meant.
>>269196740Because the leaps of logic you have to make for it are insane, as I have explained many many times now. Do you have memory loss? >>269196046
>>269195038>leap of logic>>269196793This is getting boring, it's just repeating the same shit over and over
>>269196761And Yuko also showcased on time when she had delusions. Didn't stop people from claiming she was delusional when the story never even implied it. So if we're assuming characters are delusional or fallible in absoluteness, then we have no idea what the truth is because everyone is lying. Even to themselves. Enjoy your mess because you keep coping and denying what you're told outright.
>>269196761Esemori had delusions when he imagined Reiji was Yuko. Not trustworthy. They're all schizos. He's the most confirmed, and a substance abuser on top.
>>269196881>thinking Yuko imagining weird shit after just gotten out of a coma is the same thing as all this shit >>269196046Disingenuous.
>>269197009>DisingenuousOnly giving back what I get, friend.
>>269196983Those weren't delusionals. He literally said himself it was because Reiji looked so much like her.
>>269195038Compared to all the other alternatives? It's the most sane one by far. It's garbage writing but Esemori having a relative that looks like him in the town his family is from is at the very least possible.
>>269197166You're slowly backing out of the idea that Esemori isn't the father lol
>>269197166>looks like himHe didn't look "like" him: he was a literal copy paste down to the haircut. There is nothing remotely believable about having a "distant relative" who is not only your doppelganger, but also coincidentally shares your exact hobbies and interests, right down to the exact taste in the same woman. Also sharing books with that exact same woman.
>>269186541I don't know what's a worse cope, Ninifags or Senseifags
>>269197433I have no idea why you would believe that.>>269197437No, Esemori looked a bit different as a teenager. Longer face, sharper features, slightly different haircut and texture. Thinking same face means anything in the manga there Nagi's half uncle literally looks like her but with short hair is retarded regardless.
>>269193198>>269197601
>>269197045he knew it was reiji from the start and still mistook him for yuko. he's down bad
>>269197657You're just proving my point. In that image you clearly see he has a longer face and sharper features. His hair is also more wavy. They look alike but not the same. Like I said earlier, it means nothing when Mao is literally just Nagi with short hair.
>>269197727He never mistook him for her. He just got instantly reminded of Yuko when he saw him.
>>269186425OP here, MTL fucked up the 1st tweet.It was supposed to say>I always went serious about them so don't think i'll paint a low resolution happy picture (ToT)>I hope you'll be left feeling confused again and again.This and her other reply about Nagi only revealing her name to Reiji and just Reiji means she's respecting their privacy.
>>269197744The image is also from 20 years later... If he was that young in that, then him looking younger in the past makes even more sense...
>>269197601Are we going to sit here and pretend Ryo is consistent with explanation you are trying to pass off? >>269193198. The image in that post looks more like "the boy" than your image, but it's 100% young Akira. Furthermore, is pic related "the boy" or young Akira? Because as far as I can tell, that looks identical to "the boy"...who is physically indistinguishable from young Akira, and being portrayed as just that.
>>26919785020 years doesn't make your fucking face shrink back to how you looked as a kid lmfao. The kid clearly is portrayed as having childish facial features because he's stated to be very young. Current Esemori also kept the longer face and sharper features for that matter. The kid looks much more like middle school Esemori than high school Esemori, which only showcases how young he really was.
>>269196270Ryou is mocking yurikeks tho. It's the only character (next to Gen) she never took seriously.You should have realized that after Yuri's bday tweet>Hope you keep being this energetic this year too....while putting the panel where Yuri was being provoked by Reiji's resolution to stay with Nagi at the ping pong dungeon (picrel).
>>269198057>she wasn't taking gen seriously?
I will miss the kino paneling from abyss
>>269197904They look alike. That's it. The reason given is because they're relatives. Reiji looks like Yuko. Nagi looks like Mao. Gen looks like his father. That is not something new.Your pic related also has the sharper features, longer face and more wavy hair than the kid. You also have this literal page there the first panel is young Akira which Yuko saw in the kid and the next panel is the actual kid. You see a clear difference.
>>269198097i'd say Ryou was a bit heavy-handed with light and shadow symbolism but i'll be damned if it didn't look good
I stopped reading the cousinschizo's cope 1 hour ago, make another thread when the Ace Attorney video is ready so I can catch up
>>269198123Whatever. This is going in circles. I'm not changing your mind and you aren't changing mine.
>>269198209Someone needs to make the video, this is comedy gold
>>269198227I accept your concession.
>>269198259Cool. Put it on your wall. You need it more than me.
>>269198097one of the very few modern manga i would say genuinely looks great.
>>269198171Ryo is a master of chiaroscuro
>>269198097I love Ryo art
>>269198076She also mocked him on twitter. Especially during his tranny phase.>The ultimate heroine.>The mermaid twit
>>269198291I doubt it going by these mentally ill tier posts kek >>269193198Keep up with the ad hominems I suppose.
>>269198057perhaps, but she wrote Nagi terribly and knows it, and the whole Manga clearly shows it. Yuri and Gen can either be loveable or hateable characters people can describe, with Nagi, there's nothing memorable about her except her tits and the fact she's literally used goods. Ryo easily can make fun of Gen and Yuri because they're fun characters with substance, Nagi has zero substance to her.
I miss Yuri
>>269198720what's mocking about calling him the final heroine?
>"Some people are arguing that she's seeing young akira in a radom boy because the real Akira wouldn't make sense to be there because the boy doesn't actually remembers or reconise her when she was talking to her in the hospice care, or that he even could fool everyone in the place about his age and identity. We know that Akira had problems with drugs in the past, so I don't if that would be played here, what do you think?"GPT:>That’s a compelling argument. If the boy in the hospice care didn’t recognize Yuko or remember their past together, it does raise questions about whether he could truly be the real Akira, especially considering the complexities of Akira’s past with drugs and other issues.>Here are a few possibilities to consider:>Identity and Memory Issues: The boy might genuinely be Akira but is suffering from memory loss or identity confusion, which could explain why he doesn’t recognize Yuko. This could tie into the themes of identity and change in the story.>Symbolic Representation: The boy could be a symbolic representation of young Akira rather than the actual person. Yuko’s perception of him as young Akira might be more about her emotional state and how she wishes to remember him rather than a literal truth.>Deception or Mistaken Identity: There’s also the possibility that the boy is someone who resembles Akira but isn’t actually him. This could be a deliberate deception or a mistaken identity, reflecting Yuko’s deep desire to reconnect with her past love.>Narrative Device: The story might be using this scenario to explore themes of memory, identity, and perception. If Akira’s issues with drugs and his past are relevant, they might be used to blur the lines between reality and Yuko’s perceptions.>Given the complexities of the narrative and characters, it’s likely the story is playing with these themes to create ambiguity and provoke thought.
>>269198227It was never going anywhere. You have one guy with a balls off the walls retarded theory that insists people are crazy, without realizing how it becomes impossible to take anyone seriously if they are crazy. Note they never had any evidence for it in the first place.
>>269199000>random bot is smarter and more understanding of the material than the mongs who have read this manga for 4 yearspottery
>>269198895Isn't that kind of the point? She's just drift wood and you can easily do whatever you want with her because she's literally is just an empty person that had her mind broken? It's only now at the very end we see that start changing and see start to actually become a real person.
>>269199037>Isn't that kind of the point?>it's shit because it's shit on purposebut even then, that doesn't work here. ryo wrote nagi with the intention of her not being this and gaining a spine. then did so in a very lackluster way because she wanted sensei involved.
>>269198895I really like Nagi and I don't hate Yuri or Gen, all characters had their own motivations that while distorted made sense for them do it at the time because they didn't know better> Nagi, there's nothing memorable about her except her tits and the fact she's literally used goods.This is just you hating on the character because Sensei didn't win
>>269199012Literally all "theories" itt depend on characters being fucking batshit crazy.
Easy fix, just message Ryo on Twitter asking her about it. She seems nice enough to answer
>>269198847Not him. You are replying to more than one person. But yes, post it on your wall and don't forget to show your mother.
>"With all the information that I gave to you and if you went to check the manga, what you think it's the best alternative that happened?"GPT>Given everything you’ve shared and the themes of Shounen no Abyss, the most fitting interpretation might be that the boy Yuko encountered in the hospice is not literally the real Akira but rather a symbolic representation of him. Here’s why this interpretation makes sense:>Emotional Symbolism: Yuko’s experience with the boy looking like young Akira aligns with her deep emotional connection and how she views him through the lens of love and memory. This symbolic representation captures the essence of her feelings rather than the literal truth of Akira’s presence.>Narrative Consistency: If the boy doesn’t recognize Yuko or remember their past, it suggests that he may not be the real Akira, especially if we consider the narrative’s exploration of identity and perception. The real Akira’s complex past with drugs and other issues could complicate his presence in the hospice in a way that aligns more with a symbolic rather than literal interpretation.>Thematic Exploration: The story often delves into themes of memory, identity, and emotional truth. By presenting the boy as a symbolic figure rather than the real Akira, the narrative could be emphasizing how powerful and enduring love can shape our perceptions and memories, even if the reality is more complex.>So, the most compelling interpretation might be that Yuko’s encounter with the boy is a reflection of her emotional reality rather than a literal meeting with the real Akira. This interpretation respects the manga’s thematic depth and emotional resonance.Holy based
>>269199154This is a good idea, someone who was Twiiter do it
>>269199198Did you tell ChatGPT about the Uryuu incident?
>>269199161No need to be so upset. You could just have stopped replying lmfao yet here you and still keep going. Not that I mind.
>>269199236No, but why this makes any difference?
>>269199294Esemori is a literal schizo who misremembers things to make himself feel better
>>269199000>it’s likely the story is playing with these themes to create ambiguity and provoke thought.All you retards should probably contemplate this a bit before engaging in your schizo wars. Now stop shitting up the thread
I'm going to use this thread to ask the long lost forgotten question about this series does the incest part between yuko and reiji is actually real? According to old abyss - the grandma - those thing happened when reiji was still a kid, so there's a chance that reiji doesn't remember a single thing about that. But if the incest thing was actually happened, then what is the contribution of incest theme to this story?
desu Sensei was too good for Reiji anyway, she deserves better.
>>269199280>No need to be so upset.Projection at its finest.
>>269199509reiji's existence is what enabled her to become so good, though. without him there, she never would've become herself.
>>269199348>"Hmmm even after that incident with Uryuu, when Akira saw something that made him so shocked that he altered his memories of the event? He isn't a reliable character. What do you think?"ChatGPT>You make a strong point. Akira’s unreliability as a character due to his past experiences and emotional state complicates things further. His altered memories and the trauma from his experiences could definitely affect how he perceives and recounts events. This unreliability introduces another layer of complexity to interpreting whether the boy in the hospice is the real Akira or not.>Here’s how Akira’s unreliability might influence the situation:>Memory Distortion: Akira’s altered memories could lead him to misinterpret or distort the events involving Yuko and the boy. If his perception of reality is skewed, it might affect his interactions and statements, making it harder to discern the truth.>Psychological Impact: The trauma and psychological impact of his past, including his issues with drugs, could influence how he projects or perceives others. This might make it plausible that he sees or recognizes things differently, adding to the ambiguity.>Narrative Ambiguity: The story might be using Akira’s unreliability to further the theme of uncertainty and perception. If Akira himself struggles with distinguishing reality from his emotional or psychological state, it aligns with the idea that the boy in the hospice could be a symbol or projection rather than the literal Akira.>In summary, Akira’s unreliability adds weight to the interpretation that the boy could be more of a symbolic figure rather than the real person. This perspective fits well with the narrative’s exploration of memory, identity, and the emotional versus literal truth.The bot doesn't changed his answer even with this information tho, it isn't the real Akira there.
>>269199509>fish decays over the course of the coversno one tell him
>>269199095Which is in of itself is evidence that you're full of shit.
>>269199037did we actually really see any change though? even with the Bridge scene, we didn't see anything or hear her say anything because Ryo tries to be ambiguous even till the end and I am not convinced she's changed at all.>>269199082of course I hate nagi, why? because Ryo writes a story about a character whom we should care more about, but doesn't provide us with her inner thoughts nor does she actually show us any of Nagi's true personality. It's always small glimpses that are completely are never fully developed and when Ryo tries she gives all of it to Mao instead. I can honestly say I like Mao as a character more than Nagi because he IS a character more than Nagi.
>>269199522>comes from the guy that only spouts ad hominems about my lifeLmao. How can one lack this much self awereness?
boy's abyss, a series extremely famous for its characters who are mentally healthy and hold zero delusions
>>269199607I have no idea what you're on about. Relax kiddo. Keep me out of your nonsense.
>>269199540So, her psychopath, gaslight gatekeep girlboss with a superiority/savior complex abyss'd self is her true one.We got it, thanks.
So what happened to Mao in the end? Did Sensei just let him slowly die at her place? And there's no way she would have stopped stalking Reiji.
>"I want to know why do you think Reiji end up with Nagi in the end? Both are passive and have an abyss inside them, they are empty, so how that even works? He could have choose Chako or Sensei instead?"GPT>Reiji ending up with Nagi despite their similarities and the alternatives of Chako and Sensei is a nuanced choice that likely reflects deeper themes in Shounen no Abyss. Here are some possible reasons why this conclusion makes sense within the story:>Reflection of Their Inner States: Reiji and Nagi both embody the abyss and emptiness that the story explores. Their shared inner darkness and passive nature might make them more compatible in their mutual understanding of each other's struggles. They might find solace and a unique connection in their shared sense of emptiness.>Complementary Darkness: Their relationship might symbolize how individuals with similar inner voids can find a form of connection or understanding with one another. In a way, their emptiness could complement each other, providing a form of solace or partnership despite the lack of conventional fulfillment.>Narrative Symbolism: The choice could be a narrative device to emphasize the themes of internal struggle and the search for meaning. By pairing Reiji with Nagi, the story might be exploring how people with deep emotional or psychological issues navigate relationships and find some form of connection or resolution.>Contrast with Other Characters: Chako and Sensei have their own complexities and struggles, but they might represent different aspects of the abyss or different paths. Reiji’s choice to be with Nagi might reflect a deeper alignment with his own path and the nature of his abyss.>Character Development: Reiji and Nagi’s relationship might be a result of their individual journeys and growth. Their final pairing could be a culmination of their personal development and how they have come to terms with their inner demons.This bot gets the story better than the anons
>>269200049>In summary, Reiji ending up with Nagi reflects a thematic alignment with the story’s exploration of inner darkness and emptiness. It highlights the idea that people with similar struggles might find a unique form of connection, even if it seems unconventional or unconventional compared to other potential relationships.
>>269199705What part of I'm not your boogieman did you fail to comprehend?
>>269199750Original guy you replied to. Just saying that wasn't me
>>269200049>>269200080No shit, it works on logical conclusions. Schizos are not logical but emotional.
>>269200391Are you that retarded or is it just a shitpost? The bot only works with what this fucker even told him Shounen no Abyss was
>>269200436Retard, the bots knows about the manga and the theme of it too, but not fully. I just added some details and informations
>>269200483> the bots knows about the manga??????????tell me about shounen no abyssI'm sorry, but I couldn't find any specific information about "Shounen no Abyss." It's possible that it might be a lesser-known or niche title. If you have any other questions or if you can provide more context, feel free to ask!
>>269200436That's not the real problem. GPT doesn't even give definite. It by default cannot. For example:>Their relationship might symbolize>The choice could be a narrative device>they might represent different aspects of the abyss or different paths.Because it is ultimately left to interpretation.
>>269200574tell me about boy's abyss"Boy's Abyss" is a Japanese manga series written and illustrated by Rensuke Oshikiri. The manga follows the story of a high school student named Ryou, who is struggling with the pressures of school and family issues. Ryou finds solace in a mysterious online community called "Boy's Abyss," where users share their darkest thoughts and feelings.The series delves into themes of mental health, isolation, and the struggles faced by young people in modern society. It has received praise for its realistic portrayal of the challenges that many teenagers face."Boy's Abyss" has garnered a following for its dark and introspective storytelling, as well as its unique art style. If you enjoy psychological dramas with a focus on character development, you may find "Boy's Abyss" to be an intriguing read.
>>269200574>>269200603>"do you know a lot about shounen no abyss story and themes?"GPT>Yes, I’m familiar with the story and themes of Shounen no Abyss. The manga delves into deep and often dark themes, exploring the complexities of human emotions, identity, and the struggles associated with personal trauma and existential emptiness. Here are some key elements:>Dark Themes and Emotional Depth: The manga explores heavy themes like depression, addiction, and personal trauma. Characters often grapple with their inner demons and existential crises, reflecting a deep emotional and psychological complexity.>Identity and Perception: The story frequently examines questions of identity and self-perception. Characters are often portrayed as struggling with their sense of self and how they are perceived by others, leading to conflicts and introspection.>Relationships and Manipulation: Relationships in the manga are often complex and fraught with manipulation, power dynamics, and emotional dependence. The interactions between characters reveal deeper insights into their psychological states and desires.>Symbolism and Ambiguity: The manga uses symbolism and ambiguity to convey its themes. >Characters and events often have multiple layers of meaning, and the narrative leaves room for interpretation and reflection on the nature of reality and personal experiences.>Existential Themes: The concept of the “abyss” serves as a metaphor for the characters’ inner struggles and existential voids. This theme underscores the idea of confronting one’s own emptiness and the search for meaning in a seemingly indifferent world.
>>269200603tell me about 少年のアビス「少年のアビス」は、日本の漫画シリーズであり、石田スイによって書かれました。物語は、主人公である少年・レンと彼が出会う謎の少女・リコの冒険を描いています。彼らは「アビス」と呼ばれる巨大な地下の洞窟を探検し、そこでさまざまな謎や危険に直面します。「少年のアビス」は、ファンタジー要素と冒険要素を組み合わせた作品であり、登場人物たちの成長や友情、過去の秘密などが物語の中心にあります。石田スイの独特な世界観やキャラクターデザインが特徴的であり、多くの読者から支持を受けています。もしファンタジーや冒険が好きなら、「少年のアビス」は興味深い作品かもしれませんFucking Sui Ishida, Ren and Rico
>>269200128You're projecting too hard. I'm not taking this too seriously. Keep up with the ad hominems and being clearly upset kek.
>>269200650That clearly wasn't your first message retard, you basically told ChatGPT everything you wanted to hear
>>269200715I didn't tell it anything other than yuko and the boy and esemori
>>269200786That's plenty enough you to poison the well you fucker, ask about 3 random names from Abyss and put random characters from other manga/anime in the middle and ask who is from Abyss (specifically mention Shinooka and Mao), I want to see the response
>>269200857enough to*
>>269200857I made a new chat and tried it only got the reiji's name wrong
>>269200926The newer ChatGPT has access to search engines on it's backend, it's how it can tell you the date and small descriptions of stuff (still getting most of it wrong) and how it can tell you the date accurately but the database isn't that recent that it would know Abyss, specifically because Abyss is niche (still on my ChatGPT it has no clue what the fuck is an Reiji)
Llama 3 got it right lol
>>269201116HOLY BASED
Are we evolving to using chatgpt to argue for us?
>>269201053Mine literally described Reiji lol>"do you know about the main protagonist named Reiji?"GPT>Yes, I know about Reiji, the main protagonist of Shounen no Abyss. Reiji is a complex and deeply troubled character. His story is central to the manga’s exploration of dark themes and psychological depth.>Character Overview>Reiji is a high school student who struggles with a profound sense of emptiness and disillusionment with life. His internal conflicts and emotional turmoil are key aspects of his character. Throughout the series, Reiji’s interactions with others and his personal experiences reveal the depth of his inner struggles.>Key Aspects of Reiji’s Character>Emotional and Psychological Struggles: Reiji’s sense of despair and his grappling with personal trauma are central to his character. His mental health issues and the impact of his past experiences shape his worldview and actions.>Isolation: Reiji often feels disconnected from those around him, reflecting his internal isolation. This sense of alienation is a recurring theme in the manga and influences his behavior and relationships.>Search for Meaning: Like many characters in existential and psychological dramas, Reiji is on a quest for meaning in a seemingly indifferent world. His journey involves confronting his own inner darkness and seeking a sense of purpose.>Interactions with Other Characters: Reiji’s relationships with other characters, including the mysterious girl he encounters, are crucial to the story. These interactions often reveal different facets of his personality and contribute to his character development.>Reiji’s character is a driving force in Shounen no Abyss, and his personal struggles and growth are central to the manga’s exploration of existential themes.
>>269201174It's like letting our stands fight while we eat popcorn
>>269201155Kek
>>269201174It's more convenient and more pleasant to read instead of tracking chaotic schizo blabbering.
>>269200673>Clearly upsetNot at all. Keep crying and pretending not to be mad, though. You are mentally unwell. Also, for the final time: not him.
>>269202011Projection: the post.
get a room you two
Uhmm... SchizoCHADs?
>>269187287Like other anon said, i think she only being edgy so people dont put pressure on her for a collage of happy moments
>>269189124Something like that could work
>>269192829>>I was trembling as I drew Shiba's final adult pride. Haha.Dafuq was Ryou referring to final adult pride.?
>>269194464
>>269202347Now i am scared. Did seriously Yuri chase Reiji to the mountains or abduct him and Nagi just died? Or is Ryou suffering from the same schizophrenia Reiji Miyajima has (funny they have the fucking same initials)??
>>269194464>make the anons seethe and lost their mind.I dont think anon cares specifically about her
>>269203773The one that wants Esemori to not be the father specifically hates her, if you go back on the other threads he was always calling Yuko a whore in between the arguments, and pretty much his point is that Yuko develop schizophrenia in the last chapters
>>269203947Based schizo. The Yuko haters are in your walls, look out!
As far as ending goes, it could've been way worse. Clearly rushed in many aspects but it is the ending she always intended and it does close off all the plot threads and themes.
>>269203452Bro she's just trolling the Yurikeks.
So who is Reiji's father?
>>269203452She's trolling.
This series sucked. Only good character was sensei.
>>269189458Aye. Pun Pun is almost surreal (ironically because Inio was obsessed with realism said in his interview) nonstop edge-doomfest, the death cult thing was completely out of line the only purpose of it was for the sake of edginess again, meanwhile in Abyss people learn lessons in good morality with better drama, no bullshit abysmal self pity or hate (at least not even as near as Pun Pun) and the psyche and behavior of the characters are far more understandable.
>>269203947>The one that wants Esemori to not be the fatherbecause it makes 0 sense?
>>269189458>>269189830>>269190368>>269204685dude the written in abyss is really bad, you can dislike punpun but the written quality is way better than this
THE WRITTEN
>>269205039>but the written quality is way better than thisSubjective my ESL pal.
>>269191320Anyone who tries to give you a clear answer or say that it's straightforward is talking out of their assJust see >>269186945 this panel and use clear and powerful Occam's razor not your delusion, or at least, try to believe your eyeballs.>SCCCHHHIIIZOOOOOThe only schizos are those who can't even believe their own eyeballs here.
>>269189458>having to raise a kid that isn't hisnot true>forced to be with those who treated him like shitnot true>living a shit lifenot true>never being able to mourn Aiko, meaning the event will haunt him fornthe rest of his pathetic lifehe already move on
>>269205128>The only schizos are those who can't even believe their own eyeballs here.is fiction, so eyeballs can lie
>>269204270No matter how you look at it, it has to be Esemori.
>>269204270The reader can choose.
>>269205128>Occam's razorYeah, the most simple answer here is that he just lied. Anything else is EXTREMELY convoluted in what would need to happen for it to be true.Maybe don't use words you have no clue what they mean next time pseud.
>he's been here ALL DAYi went to work and came back and this fucker is still baiting people into bad faith arguments
>>269205602I have no idea who you're referring to mutt. At least point out which posts.
>>269205666The one who's arguing in bad faith. You know who you are.
I think that if you ask Ryo if it was Esemori or a random relative Reiji's father on Twitter she will block you for being illiterate
>>269205722This one? >>269205128
I don't really use /a/ despite trading a lot of manga, but this felt like it ended too soon.
>>269205746>random relative
>>269205746Imagine being so fucking self involved that you believe your garbage contradicting headcanons are so true that the author would side with you. Delusional beyond belief.
the father was spiritually Esemorisome random teenager might have impregnated Yuko but the sperm turned into Esemori's as it inseminated Yuko's egg
What's the message of this story
I think it's the same guy as the memeTL retard who would insist his stupid memeTL was real. It feels like a similar tactic, he'd insist his was real and the official dump was the meme TL even though no one with eyes could possibly believe him. He'd just insist and insist anyway.>>269152376>>269152510>>269153342The asshole seemed to make it his mission to make abyss threads shittier. I don't know where the grudge/vendetta came from.
>>269205552Poor delusional anon... Can't believe his own eyeballs and the flat-out panel seething with his theory...
>>269205926never stick your dick in crazyokay if you still managed 1 (Nagi), but 2 (including Sensei) is already too far
>>269205937>does nothing but post garbage meta analysis of posters in the threadAt least the arguing schizos are on topic. You're just pure cancer obsessing ovee thread drama.
>>269205937I linked the wrong example post>>269152510>>269152708>>269205973>nooo don't call out my aggressive shitpostingFuck off and kill yourself
>>269205961Nagi isn't crazy, she's traumatized at most>>269205894Go ask her then, wait for the response and post here, I don't have Twitter>>269205867I really liked the ending but I want to see more too
MemeTLchad won.Esemori is the father, by the way.
>>269205942Sorry kiddo, but completely ignoring the entire context around it is not a viable argument. Esemori just lying here is the most simple explanation rather than him bribing himself into hospice, making a fake journal, de-aging himself 15 years, larp as another person for weeks on end and then forget this entire months long experience only to be reminded of it when Yuko told the story because he somehow lost memory of months of his life.
>>269206027Falseflagger
>>269205867Lower panel made me remember to when Esemori told Reiji in 160 once he married Nagi a year ago he told her they are now a family and smiled softly, like a child.She also made that sad smile when Mao told her he chose to believe he is still alive because he found his purpose in life that was making sure Nagi is not alone... (but we know how it ended in that case).
>>269206001MemeTL was based. Best part of these threads.
>>269206024I don't have twitter either nor know Japanese. But your were the one making the claim so go ahead and prove it.
I also liked MemeTL, you guys have no sense of humor
Not the father.
>>269206058You do realize that Esemori lied twice about Uyuu right? One with Shinooka and one with Reiji multiple years later and even after being confronted by Shinooka in the pastThe most basic explanation is he lied to Yuko that he was a terminal patient and she didn't care because she loved him, we only ever hear this from Yuko herself which you say is the schizo>>269206105I can write the tweet, someone that has Twitter post it
MemeTL is a retard.Esemori obviously isn't the father.
>>269206120>The most basic explanation is he lied to Yuko that he was a terminal patientThat's not how hospital works you absolute fucking retard. Hospice care is always it's entirely own section with a bunch of caregivers. You can't just "lie" about being a terminally ill patient when you're in hospice care. That's effectively impossible. And it doesn't at all answer how he managed to de-age himself, somehow larp as an entirely different person for several weeks if not months,, and somehow forget about this months long experience. Facr it, your garbage headcanon is extremely convoluted and makes no sense when one spend more than 5 seconds thinking about it.
>>269206207He faced Yuko, she didn't recognize him, he decided to play along to see how far could it get, that's it> You can't just "lie" about being a terminally ill patientI just said, he only needed to convince Yuko> de-age himselfLiterally done in the past in this manga, there is an image in this thread you fail to acknowledge that has literally that boy when Esemori is speaking to Reiji and Yuko isn't even involved> and somehow forget about this months long experience. It's in line with the Uryuu incident that he still lied to Reiji about years after being confronted and died without saying the truth, the only difference is that with Yuko he actually admited to it and finally died
>>269206120The most basic explanation is that he lied to Yuko when she asked if it was him to make her happy.
You fuckers really don't get it, the whole point of the Tokyo arc was that Esemori was lying to Reiji and only faced his real past when he was dying
>>269190001Are you retarded, by any chance? She has white hair in the manga. What did you think it would be, red?
>>269206328Nagi has blue hair, red hair wouldn't be far fetched
>>269206282>I just said, he only needed to convince YukoAre you complete unable to read? Do you even know what hospice care fucking is? I literally explained it but yet you entirely ignored it because it's not fitting for your headcanon. Again, NOT HOW HOSPICE CARE WORK.>Literally done in the past in this manga, there is an image in this thread you fail to acknowledge that has literally that boy when Esemori is speaking to Reiji and Yuko isn't even involvedYou thinking that is relevant to this is entirely your headcanon. And they have differences between as pointed out in this thread already.>It's in line with the Uryuu incident that he still lied to Reiji about years after being confronted and died without saying the truth, the only difference is that with Yuko he actually admited to it and finally diedIt's not in line at all with it. Esemori convincing himself that Yuko did nothing wrong in the most traumatizing moment in his entire life is the same as him losing several months of his memory is absolutely retarded and extremely bad faith if you think that's a convincing argument.
>>269206069She always wanted a family, her happy ending is forming one with Reiji
Last bump limit. I fucking hate you all. Hope i never see your fucking faces anymore, gtfo inyernet and touch grass, you ungrateful shits!!
>>269206367> Are you complete unable to read? Do you even know what hospice care fucking is? I literally explained it but yet you entirely ignored it because it's not fitting for your headcanon. Again, NOT HOW HOSPICE CARE WORK.Retard, the whole hospital didn't need to know shit, in her memories there is only Yuko and the boy> You thinking that is relevant to this is entirely your headcanon. And they have differences between as pointed out in this thread already.You pointed out differences between teen Akira and the boy, this is literally the boy there (Esemori) >>269193198 >>269198123Saying that those two are just similar is an obvious reach> It's not in line at all with it. Esemori convincing himself that Yuko did nothing wrong in the most traumatizing moment in his entire life is the same as him losing several months of his memory is absolutely retarded and extremely bad faith if you think that's a convincing argument.You idiot, he did that twice after being confronted, even in his fucking deathbed he still lied to Reiji about it, why can't he do the same about saying he isn't his father? Your logic is retarded
>>269206328She had dark hair in the volume covers.
>>269206475>Retard, the whole hospital didn't need to know shit, in her memories there is only Yuko and the boyThey literally would because hospice care is ALWAYS in its entirely dedicated section of a hospital and you can ONLY be put there if you're genuinely fucking dying. This entire argument is based on that Yuko is such an immense retard she has no clue how hospitals operate, never discussing nor working together with her coworkers about patiants and that he somehow had made an entirely fake journal. It's convoluted as fucking hell.>You pointed out differences between teen Akira and the boy, this is literally the boy there (Esemori)I pointed out for both retard. Maybe fucking read what I wrote >>Your pic related also has the sharper features, longer face and more wavy hair than the kid.>>You also have this literal page there the first panel is young Akira which Yuko saw in the kid and the next panel is the actual kid. You see a clear difference.READ NIGGER READ.>You idiot, he did that twice after being confronted, even in his fucking deathbed he still lied to Reiji about it, why can't he do the same about saying he isn't his father? Your logic is retardedHe did that for one single fucking memory that was the most traumatic moment of his life and he couldn't allow himself to believe Yuko could do such a thing because he was obsessed with keeping her perfect in his head.It's ENTIRELY different from losing literal fucking months worth of memory for no apperant reason. Immense fucking bad faith to imply this is the same.
>Nooo! Yuko CAN'T be a deranged lunatic! It was me! I impregnated her! I might have forgotten all about it until the last second, but I'm sure it I was there! She would never do something like that!
>>269206631> They literally would because hospice care is ALWAYS in its entirely dedicated section of a hospital and you can ONLY be put there if you're genuinely fucking dying. This entire argument is based on that Yuko is such an immense retard she has no clue how hospitals operate, never discussing nor working together with her coworkers about patiants and that he somehow had made an entirely fake journal. It's convoluted as fucking hell.He only needed to fool Yuko, think about it, he probably just said whatever to her once he realized she didn't recognize him> READ NIGGER READ.Literally the same dude (besides you can argue that the artstyle changed a bit, considering Nagi as an example)> He did that for one single fucking memory that was the most traumatic moment of his life and he couldn't allow himself to believe Yuko could do such a thing because he was obsessed with keeping her perfect in his head.Wouldn't he do the same for Yuko because of his novels? Wouldn't having a kid with her ruin the Yuko he created in his mind? (which he still believes that she is the person that killed Uryuu until his death) This point basically compliments mine lol> It's ENTIRELY different from losing literal fucking months worth of memory for no apperant reason. Immense fucking bad faith to imply this is the same.He told multiple details about his story to Reiji wrong and you know it
>>269206847which he still believes that he is*
>>269206847>He only needed to fool Yuko, think about it, he probably just said whatever to her once he realized she didn't recognize himNo you fucking retard, the amount of disbelief you need to suspend for that to be possible is way way way too big. It's extremely convoluted. It would mean all the other staff would somehow be oblivious to the literal kid dying at the hospice wing of the hospital, that Yuko had no clue how he hospital operates, that she never discussed about him with her coworkers (despite being a literal assistant nurse and answered to the nurse treating him) and that Esemori somehow faked his entire journal with a new name. You know this but you are unable to accept it clearly as you just repeat what you say rather than making new arguments.>Literally the same dude (besides you can argue that the artstyle changed a bit, considering Nagi as an example)Nagi and Mao look basically identical. That argument only favor that it was just a relative of Esemori. >Wouldn't he do the same for Yuko because of his novels? Wouldn't having a kid with her ruin the Yuko he created in his mind? (which he still believes that she is the person that killed Uryuu until his death) This point basically compliments mine lolWhy would it ruin the Yuko in his mind? The Yuko in his mind was this perfect being that was meant for him. Him being given the opportunity to be able to larp as Reiji's father not only would perfectly satisfy that obessive image he had of her but also make her happy. He had no reason to not lie about it.>He told multiple details about his story to Reiji wrong and you know itHe told only one detail wrong, which was the moment about Uryu dying being his fault rather than Yuko's, which we already got an explanation for why. There's no reason to believe he lied at all. Nothing was shown as a lie. Only one moment was wrong and again, that wasn't a lie but Esemori genuinely believing it because of his trauma and obsession with Yuko he had in his head
>Wait what? Are you saying…are you saying that Yuko, MY YUKO, impregnated herself with another men that looked JUST LIKE ME????>Yyyyabba-dabba-do I am the father!
>>269207086> Why would it ruin the Yuko in his mind?You're retarded, he never had Yuko perfect in his mind, quite the opposite, you literally didn't read the manga> He told only one detail wrongYou outed yourself there. Read the manga, I'm not arguing anymore in this thread
>>269206847If Yuko is capable of killing Uryuu for a chance at a future with Akira, she is capable of fucking a relative of his and rationalizing it as the closest next thing to that ideal.
>>269207174>You're retarded, he never had Yuko perfect in his mind, quite the opposite, you literally didn't read the mangaRetard >>269206764>You outed yourself there. Read the manga, I'm not arguing anymore in this threadYou see? You can't come up with any examples. Only ad hominems.I won, you have no arguments.
Worst manga I've ever read
You people are insane.
>>269207230> You see? You can't come up with any examples. Only ad hominems.Just because you asked, when I get to my computer I'll post it, but near that same chapter >>269206764 there is a panel of Yuko in reality and you can compare it to what he told Reiji happened in Tokyo when she somehow in his memory smiled at him sadistically while in reality she was horrified for him to see her like that
>>269207410No, that was already proven wrong. It was just you misunderstanding the order of events in the panels.
>>269206058>de-agingThis is a mind-blowing rude awakening for you anon but for asians this often happens, men and women. Consider Araki. Now you will believe your own eyes won't you? It is not that complicated anon, Esemori just confirmed it.
>>269207410Seehttps://desuarchive.org/a/thread/267901587/#267902972
>>269207498Retard, the kid literally looks younger than Esmori did in high school. His fucking face and jaw shrinked. That is de-aging yourself. Esemori aged like shit as well.
>>269207523>>269205937LMAO it's literally him, he posted the same Yuko edited pic
>>269207571I really don't care for your schizos obsessing over thread personalities. Who are you trying to imply I am? The unfunny retard making unfunny translations? Huh?
>b-b-b-but my shitty not the father theories and-Doesn’t count
>>269207710>no argumentI accept your concession.
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>>269207822I hate this hypocrite so much.
>>269207822Esemori has been good at lying and he got along with that at the hospital, having sex with Yuko and confirmed it in his deathbed. It is not that complecated but Ryo may have overestimated the reader's intelligence, or even mental health.
>>269206108>>269207854Notice her reaction, how she recognizes him immediately and how he's trembling in terror because he realized Reiji might be his son subconsciously (even set Nagi up for him)
>>269207974She clearly did with retards like you reading it. He's not the father. Ignoring the entire manga just because it doesn't align with your headcanon makes you a schizo unironically.
I would get even more panels proving this but MangaDex is slow for me>>269207974It's just one guy that refuses to believe any word of the characters, what retarded kind of plot twist would be he still lying to Yuko at the end? Something he did his whole life
>>269186425She's basically saying that drawing them happy would be OOC
>>269208059>this much in denialYou lost retard. Everything you claimed got destroyed.
>>269208086Was she also schizoing here?
>>269208059>I-i-i can prove it I swearYou have not posted a single proof in this thread. You just make headcanons and deny what doesn't suit it.
>>269187314Don't insult Titanic like that.
>>269208124She was manipulating Yuri retard.>inb4 that garbage headcanon that Yuko never lies despite being shown all the time when she manipulates people
