Does the hate it gets deserved?
>MarutoIt deserves way more hate desu.
>Marutoi shall now read your manga desu.
>>272351788I didn't even realize this was by Maruto, I just got interested because of how much drama was surrounding the latest chapters. Makes complete sense if it's by him though
>>272351788this is quite literally the hottest title atm
>>272351916>>272351944>>272352070Are they related to Naruto?
Yami's a good girl!She did her best to try and give Yuu up for her friend.
>>272351893Read the lower-right bubble on that page. And that was after she realized Ta-kun = Yuu. It's literally the same nudging as pic-related.
She didn't count on her boyfriend still being in love with her though but that's not her fault.
>ch 24 - 10m views>ch 25 - 3.8m views>ch 25.5 - 2.7m viewsWhat went wrong?
>>272352172>biweekly>short pagesit's the cons of being selfpublished
>>272352172>NO!>this can't be happening!>I'm going to rate it one star now!>enjoy the axeit's self published>s-so
>>272352224>p-please, read the novel too>manga chapter isn't canon>please go to our website to read itactually desperate
I have faith Maruto-sama will somehow find a way to make everyone pissed off.
>He's not dating Hikari>Hikari doesn't like him when he's dating Yami>Somehow this is NTRWhy was this called NTR? feels like it's part of life.
>it was in the goddamn title all alongthis is some usual suspects shit
>>272351832>Hikari made him wait over an hour despite being the one who invited himNo wonder he went chasing after Yami
>>272352299Anon, when people call this NTR they're not referring to this flashback...
>>272352137I don't really get it, he calls himself Yuu though, so it's a pun on sunsets? Why would he introduce himself like that?I think the translator probably got it wrong.
If the manga ends with everyone being broken and suffering the author is based
>>272351832>Yami is turned away so Hikari (and us) can't see her destroyed face from trying to cuck herselfdamn
>>272352172View counts are broken on my end, but there's probably a casual-readership lag time. That, or the purityfags are being filtered hard.>>272352348Think you're talking about a different page there.
>>272352348With the font used タ and 夕 look different enough you can tell at a glance. The translator seems invested in this too so he probably double checked.
>>272352299NTR is when something I don't like happens
>>272351335It's a cute idea, but I can't see it. Read the earlier chapters, he's constantly blushing or getting worked up about Hikari. I can't see the breakup being this recent, it must have been in the past. Or, more likely, it was just that one time that they met. She considers him her former boyfriend because of how much it meant to her. If they were dating until recently though it's funny to think he was about to whack off to a lewd picture Aya sent him when Hikari freaked out.
>>272352387have purityfags ever cared about the ML?
>>272352131>>272352150theme of yami's heel elevation if you're paying attention
>>272351788CFs ALWAYS betray.
>Whoever confesses at the school festival gets true love>Yami doesn't believe in things like that so she hasn't actually confessed today, just kissed him>Things are wide open for Hikari to confess, get true love and turn this around!Hikarisisters, it's all coming together!
>>272352442She betrayed first imo
>>272352411>She considers him her former boyfriend because of how much it meant to her.That's reaching.
>>272352411>It's a cute idea, but I can't see it. Read the earlier chapters, he's constantly blushing or getting worked up about Hikari.Anon, two other friends thought they were dating and he shot that shit down so quick. He was all in for Yami.
>>272352455Exactly.
>>272352411Cope harder. The amusement park date comes off as Yuu viewing it as hanging out with his bro, not as a date, which she also never bothered to spell out for him.Clearly Yami fucked all remnants of his silly boy crush on Hikari out of him. What a tigress.
>>272352454>kekari: hey>kekari: can you stop making out with your boyfriend>kekari: I'd like to confess to him so the festival love superstition comes true>kekari: please?
Going through the old threads has some real treats. This is from the "Confession" chapter where he tells her he was doing everything to catch up to her.Oh you got your Reiwa alright, you got more of it than you were ready for.
>>272351788Why is this manga so polarizing? Seeing if I should pick it up or not
>>272352172ragebaiting can only take you so far
>>272352508And, even if he did know it was a date in all but name, we have the example of the kohai put in to show he doesn't have any big hang ups about going on those kind of non-serious outings.
>>272352554many people thought it was a cute CF yom manga but in reality its a maruto love triangle story
>>2723525842 girls 1 guy or 2 guys 1 girl?
>>272352471He doesn't shoot it down at all, he plays it off. That's why they keep assuming they are together and ask how they hooked up, which is where the story about him trying to get into her school comes out. She also notes that he looks pained when doing so. He's constantly shy around Hikari, here's him getting awkward about an indirect kiss.
dont worry hikaribrosshe'll win and will avenge eriri
>>272352584many people just assumed yom was writing it too and never actually looked
>>272352622literally me
>>272352614>here's him getting awkward about an indirect kiss.He's getting awkward about it because she drank the whole bottle in front of him. When he drank her bottle by accident, he was unbothered by it.
>>272352614>She also notes that he looks pained when doing soBecause that sounds like a cringey embarrassing thing to admit, since he assumes Hikari doesn't think about him romantically.Especially when he's moved on past that stage of his life thanks to yamipuss.>indirect kissHe's not awkward about it, he's trying to stop her from drinking sweet things he knows she hates, because she's his friend.
>>272352554Imagine the most generic, by the numbers, cute and fluffy "She keeps trying to confess but can't get the words out!" Romcom. The art is great, the characters are likeable, but there's not much substance really. Then the BIG MOMENT(tm) comes at the school festival, Hikari fumbles her plans as usual, but she's gonna fix them and get together and confess properly, she just needs to find him, and then-Suddenly we see him arguing with and very intimately close to one of her best friends, a minor character. The passion ignites and they're making out as Hikari watches in shock. And suddenly the PoV switches around to this other girl, and we're told a far more interesting, far more substantive romance that took place a year and a half before the story began. People who came after the twist are generally all in, but people who were reading just for mindless low impact fluff got a bucket of cold water over their heads. Thus the division.
>>272351788I love Hikari so fucking much.
>>272352661>He's getting awkward about it because she drank the whole bottle in front of him. Nope, that came after. She hadn't drunken his yet. >When he drank her bottle by accident, he was unbothered by it.Nope, still blushing. See image
>>272352719funny thing is that people (especially on reddit and mangadex comments) were arguing about putting the twist after several chapters in when the chapters themselves only have like 5 pages each
>NOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE REAL PLOT IN YOUR SERIESJapanese are such pussies.
>>272352719You forgot to mention the pacing is shit because of the schedule and that the story is going nowhere. That's a problem for some people too.
>>272352614>She also notes that he looks pained when doing so.he's being reminded of a very embarrassing time in his life and has to play it off, of course he looks uncomfortable. the next page shows what actually gets him flustered and reacting is the talk of trying to get into her school, especially since he lied to hikari about it. in narrative terms it also sets up the not-confession next chapter, which is both hikari and the reader's first real direct taste that there's more going on in his heart than just being the dense prize for her to pursue.
>>272352691>>272352753Apparently Yom didn't know about the twist until he was given the chapter. If that's true then any earlier blushes or awkward posing etc can't be used as evidence one way or another. He would have just added it as a matter of course. Unless they're in the novel which I haven't read. Although, I've only heard that he didn't know the twist. It's a little dubious to imagine signing onto a story like this without knowing the outline at least.
>>272352554Mouthbreathers have protagonist's syndrome where they identify with the first perspective introduced as their own and pretend everything they do and feel is them vicariously experiencing it.Maruto played with this expectation to do something clever, demonstrating that Hikari is not the sole protagonist of a romcom but just one of many perspectives in this world and showing that things can be more complex than we naively assume at first.If you thought this was fluffy romcom and go back and reread everything you can see the hints of what was really going on all along.It's quite amazing really.
>Maruto>PlotYou cucks are funny.
>>272352812>Japanese are such pussies.nips like it
>>272352411So it’s OBVIOUS that Hikari-Yuu is the lead couple. Typical fake love triangle, ie, two lovers and a third wheel, ie, Kimagure Orange Road.m Anons are saying that this author NEVER lets osananajimi win, and meta-analysis is valid, but in this case I have to disagree. If we’re using meta-analysis the fact is that the Hikari is the first girl introduced and the fact is the first girl introduced is almost always the winner. In reality they are introduced first because they are the LEAD girls whom have the majority of the narrative focus. That’s why I call them fake love-triangles; there’s a love triangle but it’s actually a mono relationship between the two leads with the other character acting as a foil. So far the huge majority of narrative focus has been on Hikari’s romcom with Yuu. We’ll see if Yami gets much more focus and maybe things will get clearer in the future but as things stand now, Hikari-Yuu is he lead couple and Yami is the foil. Otherwise the author will need to try and explain why Yuu was raising so many romance signals in the first part of the manga and then suddenly flips a switch and gets into Yami. Right now it looks like a one-night stand in which Yami (probably) convinced him to forget about and he did, going back to pining for Hikari.
>>272352753>>272352719>>272352614>>272352411>>272352844>reddit spacing>reddit copingyou have to go back
It was the western fanbase on mangadex who sperged out.
>>272352844was that in a tweet or something, can you link it? i find it hard to believe with how yami is positioned compared to the other two friends.
Yami horny.
>>272352844That depends on if the blushing and such is described in the novel version.
>>272352550The monkey's paw curls.
>>272352844>Unless they're in the novel which I haven't read.Novel is unreliable due to Hikari being unreliable narrator and detach from reality.
Yuu-kun has entered the darknessliterally
>>272352844>Apparently Yom didn't know about the twist until he was given the chapter.what the hell are you talking about?yom knows, both he and maruto planned it
where's the FEET
>>272352956Retard.
>>272352872Childhood friend hands typed this post.
>>272353012>no argument
So it really is going to be her breaking up with him because of muh friendship with Hikari huh? That would upset me. Hikari is owed nothing. She had years to get on this bandwagon. In fact, the reason she probably fell for him in the first place is because Yami already had him. Why does some thief get to come in and take another woman's work just because she is a childhood friend?
>>272353035They weren't talking about current chapter, you animal.
>>272353043>So it really is going to be her breaking up with him because of muh friendship with Hikari huh?Yami kissed him, so no.
>>272353053oh my mistake, i thought that fantasy anon was in the thread again
>>272353079I'm talking about the initial breakup. Also, just because they kissed I highly doubt they will get back together right away. There still has to be dramashittery.
>>272352926it just says he looks 気まずい after realizing, which usually is translated more like awkward afaik. there's nothing about blushing specifically.
>stepdad wants to bone you>run away and drop out of school>at bottom of the barrel>about to resort to selling yourself to survive>some dork interrupts you at the point of no return>ends up rescuing you from your dark pit of despair>you do the same to him>pure love and sex>reconnect with your mom>get back into good school>connect with friends>oh turns out your best friend is in love with your boyfriend>give up on the man who helped fix your everything because you still think of yourself as trash compared to others>and because you value your friendshipsPoor girl, I'm glad Ayami won the dick in the end
>>272353204You forgot the boy picks her over the best friend
>>272353204>reconnect with your mom[citation needed]
>>272352960This anon is asking the real question
>>272353230I doubt she could get to stay at her dead father's mistress fuck palace if she hadn't reconnected with her mom after running away.
>>272353043No that wouldn't make sense. Yami didn't know about Hikari's crush being Yuu since a few chapters in the manga, they were already broken up by then.
>>272353220>if you love something, let it go.
>>272353277We don't know what happened there but plainly more did if she's back in school so there presumably is much more flashbacks and Yuutime to go through
>>272351788>cute first volume or so>introduce retarded love triangle for no fucking reason>immediately drop itShit sucks.
>>272353302>if it comes back it's yours foreverdoki
>>272353204Hopefully Maruto does the right thing. I feel bad for Hikari, but she is a young, cute girl who will have no problems getting a bf.
>>272353307Chapter 18 disproves this
>>272353325After getting backstabbed like this by a friend who was "supporting" her she will have trust issues for the rest of her life.
>>272353328How so? Without your own headcanon added, please.
>>272353307>YuutimeIs that what they're calling it now
>>272353340The one who backstabbed her was Yuu, because he was too cowardly to tell her that he already moved on and she was wasting her time acting like a fool (and probably because he wanted to keep the option open in case he can't get back with Yami). Yami did nothing wrong, and in fact she did Hikari better than she deserves, probably because of self-esteem issues.
>>272353363Something was bothering him and he was depressed. Enough for hikari to notice
This is bullshit. I hate when this writer does pure interpersonal drama. I only enjoyed saekano and damekoi from him.
>oh no>he can see right through me>I'm so vulnerable>he can fix me!
>>272353407>I can fix her!>Does it
>cf betrays
so, how is kekhari will react next chapter when the flashback ends? anger or denial?
>>272353489>next chapterAnon, I...
What does the name change signify...Matsushita during flashback but Sudou at the festival?
>>272353489catatonic
>>272353525It's the author's way of recognizing fluffshippers are going to commit Sudou-ku
>>272353489I have a feeling the flashback will be a long one. Maruto called it part 2 of the story, so it's possible it could be around 20 chapters.
>>272353525Matsushita might be her stepdad's family name.
>>272353043I doubt that's the way they'll go, but if they do it's not that surprising given>Yami has low self image due to what's happened to her>Even more than being Hikari's friend, she knows that Hikari is the girl he was chasing There's no way she won't see herself as an unwanted third wheel. Imagine knowing that your boyfriend's ideal partner, that he worked hard for and failed to get, is your best friend who loves him just as much.
This page seems to indicate they were already broken up before she found out he was Hikari's crush.Thus, more drama incoming, watch your ass.
>>272352621>Betrays MC>Surprised MC didn't pick her and chose the girl who stays with him insteadYeah Maruto can't write
Do we already have an agreed timeline of events or we're still in the clouds?Honestly, piecing out the events for us to assemble would be the another way for me to enjoy this.Aside the story and mad comments.
>>272353551maybe but it would get too tiresome if it's all in one single run. my guess is we'll have some flashback chapters once in a while
>>272353580Hopefully the junior was involved in this.Yay more mess
>>272353580Unless Hikari showed photos of Yuu, then it only makes sense if she knew about the crush around chapter 11
>>272351788I just hope the story ends with the male MC ending up with the short-haired chick. They are good together. No unnecessary drama, let them be happy.
>>272353609i think only in a very general sense, you can pin down a few events like the her flashbacks since they take place at specific points in the school year but things like how much time is passing between present time chapters is (intentionally probably) vague
>>272351788Did you really think the CF wouldn't lose?
>>272353609It's not clear when they broke up. Or more specifically, if was before or after Yami found out about Taa-kun = Yuu.
>the duality of man
>>272353230by implication having access to the stepdad's mistress's apartment because the stepdad got caught having a mistress indicates that yami made nice with her mom
Yami means darkness. And she has the mindset of a whore with no self worth. You can never fix that. She will cheat when she feels pressured in the future. HIKARI IS THE ONE
>>272353340There is no backstabbing here. Yuu simply didn't love her.
>>272353669She said it was her dad's apartment for his mistresses.This could be referring to her stepdad, or to her dad who died in a car accident.I would guess it probably is the stepdad since Yami mentions her mother is dependent on her horndog stepdad, i.e. rich enough to afford a riverside tower penthouse.
>>272353676What about 3p to balance out the light and darkness?
>>272353397He didn't even know she liked him. He'd given up hoping. >>272353204Goes a step deeper than that, Anon>Pure love and sex with the first man you've ever cared for>A beautiful and loving first relationship that will last in your heart forever>Even though you initially wished to leave a scar in his >Go back to school>Make friends who accept you even having been held back a year>Life is finally good (Unconfirmed)>Realise that the girl your boyfriend loved and was doing everything for is your friend >When you just selfishly wanted to hurt him, she was the one he truly wanted, the one he truly loved>You took that from her>And you know she feels exactly the same>You destroyed the beautiful and pure romance Hikari dreamed of, the thing she's been chasing this whole time>He's with you, but you know he should be with her. And she should be with him. >Self loathing intensifiesImagine that revelation, that the guy you were intending toy with was the guy Hikari keeps going on about. That the girl Yu loved enough to grieve like he did was your best friend.Shitsucks, basically.
>>272353609Here's what I've got so far, reposting from a previous thread:>According to ch.22's title, Yami and Yuu's first meeting, shortly before the start of his first year in Mar/Apr, was a year and a half before the present time (Sep cultural festival, 2nd year).>In ch.9, after asking Yuu out to the carnival, Hikari muses that she started falling for him about a year ago.>Ch.13, the umbrella talk, happened in June of 2nd year.So if the carnival date with Hikari was somewhere in Apr/May/Jun of 2nd year, and IF the breakup with Yami was shortly after that due to her learning Ta-kun = Yuu, then Yami and Yuu would've been together for over a year. (It would also mean Yuu was shooting down his kouhai right around the time he might've broken up with Yami. Oof.)If Yami and Hikari didn't get put into the same class until 2nd year, they only would've known each other for a couple months. So let's assume they met and became friends during 1st year. That would mean the overlap between Yami dating Yuu and Yami befriending Hikari could be up to a year, minus however long it took for her to warm up to Hikari.Or, Yami and Yuu could've broken up longer ago during 1st year for unrelated reasons.
>>272353682>t. anon incapable of empathy>>272353669>>272353698if she's in her stepdad's mistress' apartment wouldn't that mean she's in good terms with the stepdad and not the mother? by how you explained it shouldn't belong to her mother
>>272353669I wonder what caused the reconciliation, and it sounds like stepdad got yeeted out of the picture given her name change.What would happen to allow Yami+her mom to retain rights to the apartment though?Possibly some messy divorce where he was forced to give concessions because of some horrible thing he tried to do with Yami that escalated (and maybe Yuu helped stop)?No brakes!
>>272353737Your self insert is not entitled to the MC's dick. Characters are not required to destroy their relationships to try and set up your self insert with the mc.
>>272353724Please stop, you're 100% spot-on but my dramaboner can only get so erect.
>>272353724Yup anyway this slices, someone's getting hurt.That's life though.
Yuu+Yami is too goodTherefore Maruto is going to fuck it up on purpose because fuck you
>>272353771Thanks for further proving my point about you.
>>272353698it could be either one of them, she uses the same word for both in the jp. probably the step dad since it acts as setup for the darker reveal about him later, but on the other hand if her actual dad was having a serious affair it could explain why her mom moved on so quick. either way her family situation is fucked, jeez
>>272351788Just read through the first half again and it is just incredible how many times Hikari chickened out and sidelined opportunities for relationship.
>>272351788Wait maruto x yomu? That's a dream team holy shitI hope he can get close to the WA2 peaks but typically VN -> LN -> manga implies getting lazier and lower quality of writing
>>272353851It's an LN with a concurrent manga adaption.
Why do nips hate childhood friends so much bros?
>>272353896The two most popular nip books are cuckshit, why are you surprised?
>>272353746it's probably not that exciting, more like yami talking to her mom about the stepdad trying to diddle her and the mom being like yeah sorry i got angry at you when you brought it up the first time. yamom is post-betrayal too
>>272353746If it was paid for with assets she brought to the relationship or something like that probably, the line between separate property and marital property is blurry and idk how shit works in Japan specifically.
>>272353829you're over-thinking it. good dad dies, bad dad married out of desperation, bad dad tries to fuck yami, bad dad eventually gets caught in his evil, mom comes to her senses
>>272353896We hate them too. Worst shittiest trope ever.
>>272353832just wait until we'll look back on all the chances yami had for relationship that she willfully torpedo'd
>>272351788It fulfill my cuck fantasy so it's alright >B-but there is no NTRShut up.
>>272353907Well the cuckshit I'm not surprised, but I noticed a lot of romance stories have a childhood friend character specifically designed to be appealing but ultimately the path not taken.>>272353950Can you explain why you believe CF trope is worse than the usual winners of a MCbowl like the tsundere, yamato nadeshiko, the haruhi etc.?
>>272353963She only torpedoe her relationship with Yuu once she realized Hikari loves him. And even then, she regrets it
>>272353943i also forgot she said she was an honor student in middle school, yeah you're almost certainly right then
>>272353832yami unknowingly egging her on seems like a doomflag
>>272353977In a lot of them childhood friends are winning too. There was a thread a while back where people were spamming CF winners.
>NTR is when bad thing happens
>>272352411>guy is plaping, mating and impregnating a girl while tongue kissing and INTERLOCKING FINGERS>"n-no you dont it he likes this OTHER GIRL"
>>272353977Childhood friends winning is not real romance. its just circumstances outside of their control working for them. They never have to do anything except being born at the right time. They are the laziest characters.
>>272353980but why, though? why would yami voluntarily give up an established sexual relationship just because she found out a new friend was that osananajimi? she's already got more of a claim to yuu and more skin in the game. plus why would yami care if she got ostracized by a group of girls again, she's already done that before and she gets the guy this time
>>272354049because the author writing the character is retarded?
>>272353963If she did the same as Hikari I'd be bothered just as much desu
Hikari has been holding this emotion for the last 2 months
>They never have to do anything except being born at the right time. They are the laziest charactersLazy characters if the writer is shit maybe. Two people who for the longest time had a bond of deep almost sibling-like friendship now needing to transition into a romantic relationship is prime drama material. The stakes are infinitely higher than someone you met later in life because if you fuck up the relationship you also lost a friend for life.
>>272354049low self-esteem, i dunno though, this is her at her lowest point
>>272354089sorry forgot to click reply >>272354033
I don't actually mind Childhood Friends as long as they aren't violent jerks or taking the MC for granted. I just wish they were allowed to be assertive and/or sexy. It seems like the real losing flags are the big booby sexy characters.
>>272354088hikari.exe has stopped responding
>>272354049>Secretly has low self-esteem>Has a massive self-loathing complex>step-father tried to rape her which would leave trauma>Tries to corrupt the one guy who offered a helping hand>Fails to corrupt him and instead cries when he sympathizes with her about being nearly rape>In the WN she feels like she doesn’t deserve this happiness
>>272354116big tits airheads are almost always DOA
liking that sudden spike of comments on that particular chapter
>>272354088Would have been better if she caught them on a date. Imagine seeing her best friend and crush on a date acting like a couple and the next day Yami is being supportive of her confessing to Yuu without even realizing it
Maybe them breaking up was some restriction imposed by her mother once she moved back in so she could focus on school
>>272354389Worst wingmom
>>272354211>environmental storytelling.jpg
>>272351788What's this even about? I know that girl in the pic gets cucked since it was posted all over the place but is that literally just it?
>>272354563Best Friend cucking her naive friend. Seriously, looking back at the chapters, Yami made Hikari into such a cuckquean.
>>272354563The chapters are really short, so you can check it out pretty fast.https://mangadex.org/chapter/b93d713f-532a-4194-91a8-7ddc1a647067
>>272354563A live reaction of a typical MD reader over the recent chapters.(minus the cuckoldry of course. though some readers still insist it was ntr)
>>272354671>(minus the cuckoldry of course. though some readers still insist it was ntr)Bro, what? They were acting like a married couple and the FMC laid her claim on the guy only for her cunt of a best friend to steal him away.
>>272354726https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM-e46xdcUoAccording to Yamifags.
i just can't wait for hikari to find out they plowed in a love hotel
>>27235217210 MILLION views on an indie manga? where did you get those numbers from?
>>272354792ah, fucking twitter
>>272352872>Otherwise the author will need to try and explain why Yuu was raising so many romance signals in the first part of the mangahe wasn't. hikari is delusional
>>272354726Little did she know the guy was already dating the other girl before they became female friends, without any of them realizing they knew each other.
>>272354792TEN OSANAMILLION SOLD
>>272354726Now after the twist she looks even more pathetic, she got completely outplayed.
>>272354860>>272354901She worked really hard to get Yuu to look at her, it's not fair. Two-face friends are the worse.
I believe we should cuck girls more. It's kino.
>>272354563>What's this even about?Childhood friend develops feelings for MC after years of being friends. Turns out MC was dating and fucking her best friend (this happens before CF even realized MC is a man). Cue Mangadex seething because it's vanillafaggot central and the series was selling itself as vanilla fluff previous to the big reveal.
>>272354988this is vanilla though
Virgin childhood friend>Fails to get any romantic interest from her crush for years despite seeing him almost every day>Hangs around with him in his room with no results>So pathetic she tries to 'accidentally' run into her crushStacy walking red flag>Fucks within hours from meeting>Doesn't even know she effortlessly cucked childhood friend >Tries to help childhood friend out of pity
>>272354932Friend didn't even know until recently. And seems to be trying to give him up. Or, well, there was an attempt.
>>272355013It's NTR from Hikari's pov and the readers who were in for the fluff agree.
it deserves more
>>272355074it's reverse ntr (kino)
>>272355074it's meta-NTR for the reader and reverse BSS for Hikari
>>272352124maruto fumiaki is the writer. not author, mind you.
It should have been vanilla story though and though. She deserved to win, she realize all the good qualities of Yuu first!
>>272355252>first
>>272355252but she didn't, that's why yuu was in unrequited love with her, yami fell in love in like 1 day
>>272351788what a goofy art style. Her 2 ears together are wider than her flimsy neck
>>272355252look at this wanton footslut just put the goods out there, not like yami's girlish, pure heel lifts
>>272355252
>>272355252Only saw him as a man after Yami made him one
>>272355265>>272355267>>272355273>>272355359Yami corrupted him. How can you support that?
>>272355271>flimsy neckForeshadowing for when she hangs herself after the flashback is done.
It's kinda crazy seeing some of the seethe and comments about the last few chapters, reading through the old threads. Like, I saw someone just now writing this big essay about how the reason this twist didn't work is because he tried so hard to hide it, so it had to suddenly be explained after the fact. And thus that's why we got so many narrative dialogue boxes, because it so desperately needed to justify things, so that's proof it's bad. And yet, when I go back to the fluffy nothing chapters... there's narrative dialogue boxes all over the place! Nothing changed!
>>272353832The only thing that could get me more erect than watching an indecisive girl get cucked from what she assumed was a sure thing was if she was a tsundere.
>>272353444>>272355367Hottest thing about Yami? Long black sleeves
>>272355271A common feature of anime necks. When I started trying to draw anime as a kid, the thin neck tended to trick me into making the shoulders too narrow, which in turn tended to make the rest of the body too small for the head.
>>272355367she tried, but she got purified instead
>>272355413She corrupted him. Sex before marriage is a sin.
>>272354027Anon, he literally talks about how much he loves Hikari like 10mins before he takes Yami's virginity.You need to check out White Album 2 if this is too much for you. The MC stays with Setsuna for 5 years, is engaged to marry her but still loves Kazuza so much more than her that he can only be true to himself by burning every bridge he has to get with her.
>>272354049>>272354060See: >>272353724
>>272355497Was this written by a woman?
>>272355526This is too mild for the author to be a woman.
>>272355526It was not.
>>272355497I wouldn't say it's correct to compare them. Haruki and Kazusa were literally soulmates from the start, so him burning bridges to be with her was entirely believable. Here, however, things are quite different.
>>272354211>>272354514The real Environmental Storytelling is here.
>>272355526>Zero rape>Proportional handsNo chance
>>272352411Holy fucking cope. Read everything again but use your brain this time.
>>272354671>Did he really just link an NTR doujin page?>What's it even about, the setup looks stupid>Wut>Wut>Wut>Okay that might be good. I'm not gonna give it a chance to actually find out, but that premise is funny
>>272355526dramafags I cannot wait for the next chapter of Ainosenbiki
>>272355605kek
>>272355526no, because all of the girls are virgins and only have sex with the protagonist
>>272355526>Romance scenario makes sense and is based on feelings that are intense but understandable>No other male love interests introduced to mess things upDefinitely not a woman
>>272355584>21:22:33holy shit where are you from? NZ?
The girl literally hears Yuu talk about Yami and she thinks Yuu is talking about her. How cucked can she be?
>>272355696Rereading this shit is so good once you know the twist
>>272355696There is no recovering from this. It is humiliation of the highest degree.
>>272355696Anon stop, she's already dead
>>272353724>pure romance Hikari dreamed of, the thing she's been chasing this whole timeYeah the whole 2 months. Fuck Hikari, she is not entitled to anything
>>272355731>>272355747>>272355772Her hopes are high and the light is so close. How could Yami do this to her?
>>272355794Yami stepped aside and Hikari still fucked it up. Losers lose.
>>272354726>Notice me idiot!How the turn tables. You really reap what you sow
>>272355906I wonder if she thinks back all the times Yuu tried to get close to her only for her to be fucking dense.
>>272355923If her acceptance of this whole situation be a retrospection and coming to terms with the very real fact that Yuu didn't just stand in the corner and wait for her ignorant ass, this will be a true kino
Isn't this based off a light novel? Who wins?
>>272356086The novel and manga chapters are being released simultaneously.
>Standard romcom trope about being confuse as a couple>Girl is acting like a male MC>Male crush is unburden by the comment and wants to talk about something elseYeah, she's cooked.
>>272352852It's funny and at the same time perplexing people are too stupid not to realize that this is what is happening. The amount of people seething and trying to act all smug is saddening. We are truly lost as a species.
>>272356192Everyone can pull a Gal Cleaning anon. It doesn't make the writer good or smart.
>>272356237Something arbitrarily chosen doesn't make anything good or bad.
>>272356325But baiting people by following a template and pulling the rug on them justifies all the complaints.
>>272356356Still arbitrary. Doesn't make the story as a whole good or bad, there is a structure that does not depend on one single aspect.
>>272356192it's the majority of the audience. it's just that you can easily go your entire life without ever having to engage with fiction that challenges that approach. this caught that twitter manga romcom type crowd and played not on their genre expectations like they'll claim indignantly, but on them being too passive to look into the production of the series they're consuming.
Hikari's design is better and that's all I really need to know. I might be able to get behind Yami if she had a nicer hair cut.
>>272356462Imagine pulling Hikari down by her pigtails into a knee strike to the face.
>>272353968What's this one?
>>272356462I like her bob cut way more
>>272356164>when the guy you like doesn't even see you as a member of the opposite sex
>>272356500You have my attention. Keep going.
>>272356192Reading the comments on Mangadex for chapter 22 is fucking hilarious. People screaming their heads off saying Yuu and Ayami should die when we hadn't even gotten their perspectives yet.
>>272356462Shit taste. Yami will avenge Ichika.
>>272356372And the contents of the story don't make the storytelling methods immune to criticism.
>>272356569I don't blame them, a lot of people baited themselves and /a/ went wild too even though this series wasn't really that popular here.Though I do think a lot more of us were aware that Maruto was behind it and were waiting for the shoe to drop one way or another.
>>272356598Not really criticism when we call the entirety of the work shit just for something that you might or might not like, isn't it?
>>272356462I love how Yami's bangs serve to conceal her eyes from the side in certain scenes.
>>272356237False equivalence. Gal Cleaning was the author torching his own manga because he was asshurt over the axe. The twist here was both foreshadowed and calculated.
>>272356460Yeah. I've had stories bait me before and gotten mad over it but I really don't think the outrage is justified in this case. The story doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's a collaborative effort between two people who each have a creative history that sets some expectations. Even in the case that this history is irrelevant, the manga holds up on a reread. I didn't expect the twist but I don't consider it unfair, I probably would if I went back through it and it really did seem like it came out of nowhere but the build up was enough that I really just have to respect the sport.
I wish Hikari had found these two still dating. Can you imagine if Yami had gone to Yuu's house to have sex. Hikari in her room, watching by the window as her pure and fluffy romance collapse before her eyes.
>>272356649I legit don't even think he got axed, it was a web manga. It wouldn't have had an editor, or cancellation pressure. I think he just lost control of the series and ended it. People just kept repeating the story about "He's doing this because it's getting axed" since it sounded true/funny.
>>272356603>Though I do think a lot more of us were aware that Maruto was behind it and were waiting for the shoe to drop one way or another.You can comb threads for that and you will return empty-handed. Nobody in any discussion for this series ever brought that up. Saying they did post hoc without proof means very little.>>272356649The equivalence here is using the story structure and presentation to bait and do a sudden turn. I'm not bringing up the contents in this case, but the methods used to pull the twist on the reader instead. Both writers were clearly courting an audience and trolled them.
I'm a spiteful person and I crave sorrow and self suffering. I want to see the characters feeling soured and pitying themselves about everything that happened. Nothing resolved, just people being petty.
>>272356569romcomfags should be executed with cannons
why does /a/ love ntr so much?
>>272356887I don't. I love true love, like what Yami and Yuu share.
Ichika status?Avenged.
>>272356907We got this one in the bag Ichicute bros.
>>272356887Again, it doesn't have ntr.But it does have doroboneko and I can't understand why /a/ love them so much.
>>272356965sneks are a classic trope in love stories why do you think soap operas have loads of them? They work
>>272357009I fuckin love sneks so much
>>272356603To the readers' defense, the romance in Saekano was relatively tame. Most of us would not expect him pulling off another WA2 here
>>272357107Nah the romance in it was exquisite in the second half of the series. Some of the scenes with megumi were so well done in the LN. Maybe you're talking about the dumbass drama?
>>272357315Ah when I said "tame" I meant it was a vanilla love story and very obvious about who the winner was. But I agree with you, while the movie was a great watch, the whole game-making drama was retarded
Not only did Yami stole Hikari's crush, she also stole Hikari's story.Also:>Yuu actually kisses back with eyes close.The more I read, the more I realize how much of a cuckquean Hikari really is.
>>272352852>they identify with the first perspective introduced as their ownYou say that as if that wasn't precisely what the author was going for - introduce an innocent, bubbly character and then pull the rug from under her by inserting this more adult character who fucks her love interest. >Maruto played with this expectation to do something clever>just one of many perspectives in this world and showing that things can be more complex than we naively assume at first.How are you not embarassed to even write this? This is just a gimmick manga like many others and this is the gimmick - it's literally in the title - she falls in love but the guy is already taken, that's it. Maybe it will evolve into an actual story but I do not hold that expectation for a fucking 3-page twitter manga.There's nothing clever about it. If you legit think this is some sort of "heckin big brain commentary on heckin fluffy romcoms *snorts* where the author breaks you friggin mind by using the never-seen before literary device of shifting the heckin' perpective" you need to read a fucking book for once. Jesus Christ.
>>272357468>while the movie was a great watchThe movie completely gimped megumi's charm. Compressed 5 or 6 novels and skipped a lot. girls side volumes that develop relationships between girls wasn't adapted. Even the scenes that did make it into the movie were changed for them worse, just compare the kiss scenes between the movie and LN.>whole game-making dramaI didn't mind it cause the drama was related to game-making and ambition and creative impulse. The WA2 drama hurts my brain cause it's drama for drama sake.
>>272357537I'm going to be pissed if they set aside how good they are together for Hikari's sake. She'll get over it.
>>272357602>Even the scenes that did make it into the movie were changed for them worse, just compare the kiss scenes between the movie and LN.Yeah bro was blushing and pussy footing like a faggot in the movie while megumi just steals a kiss from him, and even then he's like "s-should I hold her or should I not. My God someone please help me". As opposed to in the LN where bro breaks megumi's guard and finally forces a kiss on her. The teasing, the build up, the interactions oozing with the personality of characters, the flirting, the tension, the blissful payoff. Classic maruto™ writing. Even though he also worked on the movie it's just not the same.
>>272357602You've just piqued my interest to read the novels, I didn't even realize the movie was a half-ass effort to adapt so much content. Megumi is still my favorite waifu after all
>>272357537I hope we don’t get the traditional drama where the two catch Hikari seeing them. I honestly wish Hikari just leave quietly and the two are just oblivious that they were caught and go from there.
>>272357842Yeah If you're into megumi you got to read the LNs, she just shines in the second half.
>>272357834>>272357602Wait, the kiss scene from the movie is not from the LN? Why would they do that?
>>272356164He is so moved on that it's hard not to feel bad for Hikari. But again, where do you take the story from here?
>>272358034No runtime. It's a 90 minute movie that has to cover all essential story beats from multiple volumes. Please understand.
>>272357757>how good they are togetherThey're not good lmao. He legit never shows interest in her and she has to drag him around.
>>272357587NTA, but I think it was a well-executed twist from an artistic standpoint, even if it'd be commercial suicide if money were involved. Reputationally it burned some bridges with a chunk of fans too, but I can respect the risk-taking for the sake of artistic impact. (And hey, it was an epic troll.)
>>272358196He followed her and corner her to talk. You don’t do that unless the emotional connection is real
>>272358196>>272358322I think you too talking about Hikari and Yami respectively
>>272357587There's a gulf of experiences between timeless masterpiece and irredeemable garbage, Anon. It's a well executed twist that completely subverts expectations and genre conventions and shakes up what had previously been a mindless sappy story into something interesting. Whether it'll be good or bad from here, we'll see, but it's certainly got my attention. And the fact that it's getting 200-400 comments on Mangadex and multiple 500 comment threads here each chapter, I don't seem to be alone there.
>>272352960
>>272351788I thought we loved this manga
>huuh, cheesed to meet you.
>>272360040>Guy gets some pussy>her instincts immediately make her see him as a man.it's kinda funny how it's implied that he having sex with Yami is what, in a roundabout way, made the cf aware that he's a man.
>Has a crush on a guy>Spend 2 months (TWO) of chickening out of confessing.>"Why is Yuu with someone else!?"
>>272356710I just realized Yami Senpai is on top
>>272361041here's a (you) retard
>>272353325I think the more shocking thing for maruto and yom would be letting a heroine actually move on and get with another person in the text and not in an offscreen epilogue and not be a hanger on like kouhai in douki or setsuna in WA2. Frankly that would piss off both the yami fans and the hikari fans, since "muh her love wasn't real after all"
So where does the story go from here?It's over as far as romance is concern, at least with this retarded love triangle. Drama shit?And I don't mean Hikari tries to get with the guy, since that's not happening now that she will know all the nasty details and she isn't even the MC anymore.So I guess the reason why they broke up and why they got back together?Maybe she got an abortion because of family life or he told her he wasn't ready for that yet, hence why she was so mad at him?Why does Hikari even do? Hang out in the background or get her own pairing like Blue Box?
>>272361333thx
>>272351788That cover looks extra creepy now for some reason...I think she is going to go yandere.Her stalking, delusions and manipulations seemed cute for a cutesy romcom, but now looking back...I guess it's worth it as long as she gets the job done
>feMC crushing on the love interest since forever >gets cucked because she's slow>b-based>MC crushing on the love interest since forever >gets cucked because he's slow>ayieeeee, i hate this!why are you so hypocrite /a/?
>>272361910>gets cucked because he's slowName 3.
>>272361910Even normies know better and hate this shit manga
>>272362018>normies
>>272361910Name a single (1) example
>>272361910I like both, althoughbeit.
>>272352251The author actually said that?
>>272361910>feMC crushing on the love interest since foreverTry like 2 months. She was so abysmally late that it's not even funny
>>272362571No. They are coping like all the other no stakes romcom slop addict normies do
>>272361910>feMC crushing on the love interest since foreverplease read the manga before making shitty bait, thank you
>>272361910Retard, its the target demographic. Its like harem vs reverse harem, you read the one you want.
>>272361639Hikari has to confront Yami and Yuu respectively. She also has to confront her own feelings to find out how true they are. She might also pretend like she didn't see the kiss. There's a few options here. Yuu might also get to narrate a section
>>272357983Would be fun to have Hikari start setting up elaborate scenarios to try and catch Yuu and Yami out, like Hamlet
>>272361910you don't even read
Why is this manga blowing? It's generic as fuck with a reverse cuck used good throw in. Is just cuz there is a big name behind it?
>>272351788This is worthy enough to stand among the works that broke /a/
>>272362961No it's not. He is just being disingenuous. In reality in 99.9% titles male MC being cucked is just a result of author trying to shock the audience. It's almost never for some believable reason, it's always some contrived bullshit, and the other male doing the NTR is never a real character who might be likeable. The only example I could think of where the cucking wasn't just for shock value was Kimi ga Nozomu Eien and that was a result of MC actually doing everything wrong. So even though the scene was genuinely unpleasant, it still felt like something that could happen. And here we got a full Yami introduction, some development for her, she ended up being a likeable although questionable character with a clear allure. And you can see why Yuu could get together with her.
We were so caught up in the romance drama shitposting that i missed this little detail (probably a point for even MORE drama flashbacks):Here she's Sudou >>272353580, but in the past >>272356647 she's called MatsushitaWhy the name change? Perhaps something about her stepfather or some shit?
>>272364643Feels kinda weird for her to be using it in her own internal monologue while also hating him, but maybe it's a cultural thing. Maybe her mom got remarried a second time or started using her maiden name or something.
>>272364050>that broke /a/It was getting shit on anywhere else but here. What the fuck are you on about? If anything, /a/ is the only place where you can discuss it in peace
>>272353597But that's incredibly realistic women behavior. Maruto should be commended for depicting it so realistically.
>>272364643Probably mom got rid of the wanna be pedo stepfather and now she is back to her old name
>>272362571Nope. But they cannot get 200 likes in the Notes site, every chapter except the latest two had 0 comments under the entries. (Latest got two people commenting!)And numbers have been doing great! >>272352172 They're almost back to the numbers before the twist after all the buzz it generated.Be real. Being in this thread farming (You)s or in forums ragebaiting is more entertaining than reading this garbage.
>>272361910I actually like the latter if it's deserved. Like the start of Boys On The Run.
>>272352621Utaha>Megumi>>>>>>>Michiru>Izumi>>>>>>>>>>>>Garbage>>>>>>>>Eriri
stop posting your twitter ragebait comic, cuck.>also defending maruto for free
