>Notwithstanding the differences in beliefs, the Muslim Saladin was respected by Christian lords, Richard especially. Richard once praised Saladin as a great prince, saying that he was, without doubt, the greatest and most powerful leader in the Islamic world. Saladin, in turn, stated that there was not a more honorable Christian lord than Richard. After the treaty, Saladin and Richard sent each other many gifts as tokens of respect but never met face to face.
Fujos gonna eat this up.

>>273455507
Because King Hassan isn't really the chief. Strictly speaking, King Hassan had no direct interaction with the cult of assassins. Basically, some literal whos got together and went "Holy shit, this guy's awesome!" and decided to try and emulate him. They wore masks modeled his, took on the name "Old Man of the Mountain" and performed work in his name. King Hassan didn't try to stop them or direct them in any way, but he decided that if these guys were gonna try to emulate him and do his work, then it was his responsibility to set them straight whenever they fell off the path. Problem is, almost every single Old Man of the Mountain inevitably fell off the path, and King Hassan's only way of "setting them straight" is slicing their heads off.

>>273453680
looking at the wiki, either it's incomplete or they are overhyped. Most members have nothing to describe them or their abilities. Well, nothing to directly suggest that they can take down multiple Alucards (except being member of the burial agency).

I'm the furthest from a scholar of Tsukihime, but as far as I can see Alexander Anderson base form would measure up to them. Especially due to his regeneration (only countered when Alucard used Anti-regen explosive bullets).

So which one is it? Is Gilgamesh a great king or a shitty one?

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/gilgamesh-vs-the-god-emperor-of-mankind.395201/post-22639993

>>273455762
And then there's Spooky who may not even have been a Hashashin and was just a guy who went up to KH to ask him to kill him

>>273455835
He was a shit king up until after his journey for immortality. Then he became a pretty good king until he died.

>>273455700
I love her so much.

>>273455700
Prelati is a cute girl

>>273455835
Amazing king in his childhood, shitty to his people but still good at his duties in his youth, arguably the best king for the latter half of his life.

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>>273455765
Andersen wouldn't stand a chance against Ciel in any form actually. One of Ciel's attacks is a 50 kilometer tall, 10 kilometer wide blade of light that reaches all the way down to the primordial strata of the Earth.

>>273456055
*evades*

>>273455835
a pre-babylonia discussion on the topic is completely pointless

>>273456055
She'd only have that attack in the Tsukihime worlds though, since it relies on Idea Bloods. Having a massive amount of od doesn't amount to much without an external medium. Saber has a powerful dragon core, but she wouldn't be able to do shit without Excalibur. Od is just od, it's not capable of destroying things on its own.

I wonder what Ciel even does in the Fate worlds. She's apparently an Executor there too, but without Idea Bloods she's probably only about as strong as she was in the original Tsukihime.

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>>273455835
>space battles vs.

>>273456099
It's faster than light and it's biggest feature is that it's impossible to avoid. Even Arcueid couldn't avoid it since not only is it ridiculously fast, it also spans the entire length and breath of a city.

BLUE HAIR GIRL FUCKS DOGS :DDDDD
amirite fate fans? KEKAROOO

>>273456162
Why does any of that matter? We don't even know if Ciel exists in Fate, let alone being an executor. Only Tsukihime Ciel is ever relevant.

>>273456223
Seems easy to avoid to me. It's just a giant blade. Its range is huge, sure, but it's narrow. The reason Arcueid couldn't avoid it was because she realized it was coming too late.

Plus even if you can't avoid it, you can probably counter it with an equal or greater force. Excalibur would probably be able to smash through it if shot fast enough, since its power is only concentrated on its tip.

>>273456261
We know she exists in Fate and we know she's an Executor. This is all canon.

What scenes are you looking forward to seeing animated?

>>273456162
Weaker than that, since she never got Roa'd.

Nasu once said that every version of Ciel is on the same level, same with arc
Dunno how that works in Fate worlds with no Idea Bloods

>>273455835
Good king as a child. Wise and just, but not perfect.
Horrendous king as a young adult. Selfish rapist and oppressive tyrant. Needed to get Enkidu's fist wedged down his throat to even start getting better.
Bad king as a growing adult. Always busy adventuring, got in trouble with the gods, nearly got his city destroyed, abandoned Uruk entirely when thanatophobia got to him.
Excellent king after the snake stole the herb of longevity and he learned that immortality wasn't what he wanted to begin with.

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>>273456270
No, it's actually faster than Arcueid could dodge it to the point she could only reflexively react to it. Which wasn't enough. Even Ciel's profile in FGO states it's impossible to evade it, so you sure as hell won't have enough time to counter it with an active NP after it was fired:
>By deploying magecraft reflectors into the stratosphere, sunlight is converged and released as a lethal beam, resembling a descending guillotine. As long as the Star of Calvaria remains visible to the target on the ground, evasion is impossible as it strikes with blinding speed.

Excalibur probably can't since Calvaria uses way more magical energy. 3 years worth of Ciel's supply to be exact.

>>273456320
She'd still have a massive supply of od. Her battery is as huge as that of a high-tier phantasmal's from the Age of God's.

>>273456299
You pulled that out of your ass. You won't find any statement claiming that to be the case.

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>>273455700
many such cases

>>273456337
Who gives a shit? Only Tsukihime Ciel is relevant.

>>273456376
Excalibur's an amplifier. Calvaria has the same degree of mystery as Excalibur. You don't need to put as much juice into it to have the same level of power. It multiplies the user's od. So Saber only has to use half her present supply of od to fire off a beam, and the resulting beam is many times more powerful than what she could produce on her own.

Also, just shoot Excalibur first. It doesn't seem like repositioning Calvaria Star is easy. It's a trap. Once it's set, you can only wait until the enemy gets into optimum range.

>>273456411
She's in school life, which is treated as a canonical work despite its parody ish nature.

>>273456501
It's also, appropiately enough, the prequel to Strange Fake

>>273456055
>Andersen
Man, this typo made me imagine Hans Christian Andersen trying to fight Ciel

>>273456223
*evades faster than light*

>>273456558
Strange Fake is a hybrid world where servants and DAAs are coterminous though. Of course Ciel's active in it.

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>>273456486
>Excalibur's an amplifier
Calvaria is the same actually. Funny that you mention it considering the gimmick between the two is stated to be the exact same, not just the degree of mystery. Calvaria also works by converging and accelerating light/energy making it as dense as it could possibly be.
Which is why Calvaria at full power is way beyond what Saber could muster with just her od. Maybe the unsealed version would be more powerful though.

calvaria requires massive setup while saber with excalibur can just lol beamu in a microsecond. if she spent the same time and resources to gather energy as it takes to set up calvaria she could probably blow up the universe.

>>273456650
>>273456558
school life is a proper fate world
strange fuck just takes place in a similar worldline because of Ayaka being in fuyuki

>>273456675
Condensed and accelerated, not amplified. You're misinterpreting it. The power of the Excaliblast is several times greater than Saber's mana capacity. It's the same principle as why Shirou is able to create Noble Phantasms with magical energy a hundred times greater than what he can actually produce. If Shirou is worth ten units, then Caliburn is easily worth thousands of times that. It's basically taking a grain of sand and turning it into a mountain.

>>273456813
Calvaria only requires 3 minutes for the full power version. In FGO you can see a weaker version and it works instantly just like any other NP.
>if she spent the same time and resources to gather energy as it takes to set up calvaria she could probably blow up the universe
Nah.

>Gil turns into KoGil and fucks Tine
>Richard uses his B-Rank Lovemaking on Ayaka
>Awkward virgin sex between Sigma and Zealot
Bring in the doujins

>>273456880
>Condensed and accelerated, not amplified
It's the same thing. Saber's energy is converted into light which then is accelerated and condensed. That's how the magical energy poured into excalibur is amplified.
Calvaria Star works under the exact same logic except the energy Ciel is using is orders of magnitude greater than what Saber is using. This same energy is condensed and accelerated, greatly amplifying it's power.
That's it.

>人という種が手にした最強最古の宝具である。
gg

>>273456990
No. Excalibur produces more energy than what Saber puts into it.

>>273456961
Doesn’t one of the prelatis call the other hot? Is Narita based?

>>273456302
True Archer’s summoning. I also want to see how they handle the scuffle at the police station

>>273457034
And so does Calvaria, via convergence and acceleration. I don't get why you don't seem to be able to wrap your head around that.

>>273457176
Because convergence and acceleration is not amplification. All that does is take the elements that already exist and focus them on a smaller point, producing a larger impact. If you fired something with the same energy as a bullet but spread it out into a much larger surface area, it wouldn't have much impact. All Calvaria does is condense existing energy into a blade.

What Excalibur does is break the conservation of energy. It takes a smaller amount of energy and turns it into a much larger amount and then further condense that larger amount of energy into the a single point. Ciel isn't breaking the conservation of energy, Excalibur is.

>>273457281
The convergence and acceleration is the amplification. The entire point of Excalibur is that it creates a ton of kinetic energy via this methodology. The energy is far greater than what's poured into precisely because the energy is going incredibly fast and being further condensed. There is no other amplification done besides this. Saying accelerating energy is not amplification is ridiculous, and disregards the entire point of how kinetic energy actually works.

>What Excalibur does is break the conservation of energy
And so does Calvaria via convergence and acceleration. Again, they are the exact same thing, they work in the same way and are powerful for the reason.

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Brown loli sex
That's all I wanted to say

>>273457442
especially because she's kind of retarded and easy to groom

>>273457521
That's because she's a kid

>>273457439
Think his point is that Excalibu
>energy in-> amplified-> condensed> destruction out
Meanwhile Calvaria
>energy in (a shitload of it)-> condensed-> destruction out

Virtually a similar effect, but anon claims they're not the same because there's a suplementary step involved in one, but not the other.

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>>273457439
Yeah, I get their point, but it's just wrong.

FGO profile:
>A holy sword which transforms the owner's magical energy into "light", increasing its momentum due to the convergence and acceleration, and enable the use of magecraft of divine levels.

Fate Zero mats:
> A holy sword which transforms the owner's magical energy into "light", increasing its momentum due to the convergence and acceleration, and enable the use of magecraft of divine levels.

And like the status screen itself directly states the amplification happens as a result of the acceleration and convergence.
There really is no difference between the two other than Calvaria Star carries a lot more energy before converging (for the full power version).

>>273458094
Meant for>>273457917

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>>273455700
Man I just got around to watching the episode and you can tell it was rushed as fuck
Fantastic directors and what would've likely been a killer staff wasted on upper management retardation, the seniority complex over at A-1 is driving the studio into the ground. Remember when they could put out 24 well produced episodes back to back?

Man, it's so nice to see people having no idea who the Servants and trying to figure it out

>>273458548
I really hope it was just for the sake of this NFT-shill event and the rest of the series will have some care put into it.

>>273455700
The LN isn't even done yet?

>>273458756
I don't think it works that well in F/sf because some of the Servants are kinda bullshit. Prelati has too much nonsense attached to them that have nothing to do with the historical Prelati, so you'd never be able to figure it out unless they came out and said it. Zealot is 100% OC.

Richard has to come out and say who he is because his performance doesn't match what you'd expect him to have. He's a perpetual motion machine who gets faster the longer he fights, he can casually do the same shit as Berserker Lancelot, and he's able to produce an anti-army beam. Richard's from the 1100s. There are no other heroes from that time period who can shoot A-rank Anti-Army beams.

Pale Rider is also impossible to figure out because he's 100% at odds with how we expect Servants to work. Even Nursery Rhyme isn't as much of an outlier. He is THE most bizarre Servant so far. Literally nothing else, not even gag Servants, are as abnormal as him.

Fake Berserker is what you get when you stretch the definition of "Jack the Ripper" to the absolute breaking for. The logic behind him is almost nonsensical. He's like an Adam West era Riddler riddle personified. He HAS to tell us who he is because who in the fuck would equate Jack the Fucking Ripper to a self-multiplying demon? No, I get the logic behind it, but in any other setting that shit wouldn't fly. Even Apocrypha Jack is more sensible. Yes she's a loli, but her abilities are just exaggerations of what we know of the real Jack. Fake Jack is an exaggeration, but he's way more overboard.

>>273459370
Everyone guessed Richard immediately, he was not bullshit at all.

>>273459428
He's totally bullshit. He's an impossible Servant.

>>273459370
Isn't every Jack apparition as a servant basically unique and non-repeating with previous variations?
They're mainly playing around with the concept of Jack the Ripper, so that can give you a fair degree of freedom, unlike one certain tournament manga

>>273455758
Saladin and Richard were actually going to marry each other's families to one another and co-rule the holy land until the Pope stepped in and threatened to excommunicate him for it. The timeline of that happening and a dual Lionheart/Saladin owned Jerusalem is pretty crazy to think about, literally everyone else would have gotten fucking curb stomped

>>273459370
>Richard's from the 1100s. There are no other heroes from that time period who can shoot A-rank Anti-Army beams.
bro half the fucking nipwank servants are younger than Christopher Columbus.

>>273459370
Hello, Menwearpink, how's it going?

>>273459601
That's only within reason. The entire reason they're chosen to represent Jack the Ripper is because they have intrinsic qualities that are very similar to what we understand of him. The reason the namemess swordsman was chosen to be Sasaki Kojiro is because he's a dead ringer for what the guy might have been.

Fake Jack stretches those limits as far as possible to the point of nearly snapping. The identity of "Jack the Ripper" becomes practically meaningless if you stick it on a shale-shifting demon.

>>273459370
Prelati had people guessing from her very first voiceline in 2015.

Richard was guessed instantly

>>273459808
Fake Jack was the first Jack the Ripper in the franchise

>>273459859
I originally thought that Saber was some sort of monster or divine spirit pretending to be Richard. The whole "I'm so retarded that I don't know I'm not supposed to be able to do these things" explanation feels half-assed.

>>273459937
You're Jack the Ripper.

>>273459942
Some Servants get stuff they didn't have in life
Richard is one of them

>>273460063
Sure, but it's usually not that extreme. It's usually something like D-rank Divinity, or C- Tactics or whatever. Even in the case of Semiramis, you need like an insane amount of capital and preparation to use her Hanging Gardens. Richard hit the jackpot. The biggest jackpot by far.

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>>273459370
>He's a perpetual motion machine who gets faster the longer he fights, he can casually do the same shit as Berserker Lancelot, and he's able to produce an anti-army beam. Richard's from the 1100s. There are no other heroes from that time period who can shoot A-rank Anti-Army beams.
Shut the fuck up, Richard is completely fine and befitting his historical and mythological import.
>Saber who lived 1840 to 1868
>Has a beam NP that isn't just A rank but A PLUS, and isn't just anti-army but is ANTI-WORLD
if you honestly criticize goddamn Richard the Lionheart having a good Anti-Army NP you should be locked in a pit with crestworms

>>273456256
I need more info on that.

>>273459491
>Loxley mentioned on first appearance
>******* of Promised Victory
>reddish hair
>recognizes a Hassan on sight
and now in the anime
>lion roar
Richard is one of the easiest guesses out there.

>>273460271
That's a gag Servant and doesn't count. Nasu even said that Gudaguda isn't canon. She doesn't matter and she never will.

>>273460271
Richard should absolutely not be outperforming the Knights of the Round Table.

Honestly when the Servant can be the most, you sometimes have to wonder if Fake can really told it all.

>>273459370
Funny how most of the ones you mention are the ones whose identities we're told during their summonings

>>273460371
the only ones he's outperforming are the totally shitty ones. he has very little to no chance against artoria, lancelot, gawain, percival, mordred, galahad, tristan or agravain (modo 100% misógino). he might win against gareth, kay, regular bedivere or regular agravain.

>>273460371
Mordred fights like an idiot, it's reasonable he would be able to handle her.

>>273460480
Agravain's actually really strong. People just think he's weak because he preferred to scheme than fight. He couldn't beat a gorillaclike Lancelot without doping himself, but I'd imagine the only ones who have any chance of beating him at all otherwise are Saber, Percival, Galahad and Gawain.

>>273460480
>kay
It's hard to not win against Kay
Guy's the jobber of the Round Table

>>273460559
>not Tristan
Reminder that in well over half the various Arthurian mythic cycles, Tristan repeatedly clowns on Gawain and can fight on par with Lancelot.

>>273460564
we don't know what kay can do at all except swim really good.

>>273460591
yeah but we're going with le morte d'arthur here in fate

>>273460630
Tristan is top tier in that too.

>>273460591
In Fate, his performance is less than perfect. He's honestly the biggest jobber of the Round Table in FGO.

That said, Tristan's fighting style may be especially frustrating for Lancelot.

>>273460558
In a fight, right?

>>273460602
I meant in Arthurian myth
Basically every Knight beats him up before joining

I hope we get a design for John when Richard's remembering his rant about being the guy who gets blamed for every bad thing

>>273460558
>instinct B (objectively superior feats to instinct A)
>without GoB/AoB bullshit Richard will fail the beam clash in almost any scenario
the only thing he has over her is speed in a longer fight. firepower, strength, durability, skill, all is on mordred's side.

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>>273460630
Eh. Combination of Le Morte, Idylls, and Once and Future.

>>273460719
In a fight, right?

>>273460371
>Richard should absolutely not be outperforming the Knights of the Round Table.
Yes he should, half the Knights of the Round are total jobbers and literal who randos who just walked in even in the IRL Le Morte d'Arthur. There's some Knights of the Round whose entire backstory is "I found a dead guy's armor, put it on, and got made a knight cuz they needed more warm bodies."
you think the people lancelot killed in ten seconds flat by crushing their skulls with his bare gorilla frenchman hands are equal to Richard?There's 100+ Knights of the Round, the table is more like a United Nations conference hall due to how bloated the roster's gotten over the centuries
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Round_Table
>>273460341
>That's a gag Servant and doesn't count. Nasu even said that Gudaguda isn't canon. She doesn't matter and she never will.
Suzuka Gozen is also from the 1100s and has both A+ and B++ Anti-Army NPs. Same with Ibuki Douji, A+ Anti-Army/Anti-Fortress NP as a Saber despite being contemporaries with Richard

>>273460735
Especially in regards to Saber's characterization. King Arthur being a saintly paragon of virtue and chivalry is basically something Nasu took from Once and Future King. He really loves that book.

>>273460821
nipwank d-d-doesn't count!!

>>273460821
Those are monsters. Richard failed his invasion of Egypt.

>>273460869
and Arthur was held down and raped by his middle aged half-sister

>>273460821
there are only 13 in fate

>>273460869
So did Napoleon yet he's possibly the greatest military commander to ever live

>>273460903
Napoleon was like the weakest Servant in LB2.

>>273459370
>Richard's from the 1100s. There are no other heroes from that time period who can shoot A-rank Anti-Army beams.
You clearly don't know how much gassing up there has been of Japanese Servants in the past decade or so.

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>>273459370
>no other heroes from that time period who can shoot A-rank Anti-Army beams

>>273460839
Merlin's personality is also lifted wholesale from Once & Future King (that's not a bad thing, it's considered a classic for a reason)

>>273460821
Off-topic, but one of the funniest things I remember was when I was playing Samurai Remnant and researching characters as they appeared. Saber and Archer were separated by only like a century but while Japan at Saber's time was barely a bronze age tribal shithole, China had already gone through two massive empires and conflicts, fucktons of civilizational development and centralization etc. It was just a funny contrast reading about "uhh there was this tribal chieftain's son who maybe existed and his kinda ugly sword might still be around" vs "here's one of the great military epics of the world"

>>273460924
>dude Oda Nobunaga killed a couple monks so he's totally actually capable of slaying the greatest of gods and has a reality marble because uhhh

>>273461042
PHH Oda isn't even in the Throne lol

>>273460341
Nasu is just mad that Gudaguda is more beloved than his Extra obsession.

>>273461076
nasu is the worst thing to happen to this franchise

>>273461007
Japan's most interesting trait is that they have a pattern of extremely fast progress, followed by a period of severe stagnancy. This pattern progressed all the way past WW2. Like when they do make progress, it's crazy, but they always inevitably plateau hard.

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>>273461007
There's a reason nips love Romance of Three Kingdoms stuff so much, they basically pretend everything before the Heian Period doesn't exist in Japanese history because it's so embarrassing.
Reminder that the legend of King Arthur's Iron Age adventures takes place before the Japanese even figured out writing (both happen in 5th century A.D, prior to this the only writing in Japan is some chinks visiting from the mainland and describing the tribal shithole)

>>273461076
>PHH Oda isn't even in the Throne lol
Don't think that's stated. He was apparently just completely unassuming relative to the GG one.
I really don't get why Nasu bothered to separate the worlds in such a large way in the first place. Not wanting to babysit KK is one thing, but they could have just kept it to stuff that actually mattered to wider lore.

>>273461143
>Bitch about nipwank
>Bitch abour lack of nipwank

The fuck do you people want? You're not even Japanese, what do you care?

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>>273455700
Old men sexo

>>273461185
Because the bigger lore stuff contradicts his own lore. Everything regarding Yamataikoku and whatever's going on with Oryo is at odds with Nasu's settings. Also, Nobbu is completely ridiculous. She's someone who's fueled ENTIRELY by fame boost. The degree to which she's empowered by her fame far surpasses Richard. She became a supreme godslayer entirely through memes. Even if PHH Nobunaga became a Servant, he probably wouldn't get such an insane buff.

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>japanese architecture, circa 300. A.D
There's a reason all the nipwank characters are from the 1100s and later to even the 1700s, yet are compared to people like roman emperors and such from 100 BC to 200 AD

>>273461288
Nasu has commented on Oryou to say "it'd be pretty cool if she was that person, hm?" And that's about it.

>>273461308
It also doesn't help that very little from that era survived to modern day. BC Japan didn't have a writing system so much of what we understand of that era of Japan actually come from China. Even the stories of Yamataikoku and its queen mostly come from China, but none of it's verifiable.

>>273461308
Japan didn't even have proper writing until the 500s when they took it from the Tang Dynasty

>>273455700
Looking forward to this one unironically.

>>273461308
way to out yourself as a filthy casual.

>>273461308
Also the kino stuff happens in the Heian period is why they focus on it.

>>273461880
Christopher Columbus is literally older than Musashi by a whopping 130 years

>>273461308
and so? I don't understand the point of this shitposting

don't just fake it now
don't just take a bow

>Blackbeard
>Drake
>Roberts
>Columbus

Who has the nicest boat?

>>273455835
Shitty one until character development kicked in, and he became of the best ones.

>>273455758
Do we know which Hassan Richard fought and teamed up with?

>>273462298
I thought Raymond was the one who allied with a Man of the Mountain, not Richard

To begin with, are any of the Hassans particularly suited for fighting vampires? Curse of restoration just means they heal by turning back the clock.

>>273462481
All of the Hassan’s are Muslim, and should be super effective against them just like the Church executioners. Given they both draw power from the same God.

>>273462513
Church specifically uses conceptual weapons that instill the concept of mortality on vampires in order to force them to die.

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>>273462555
I'm sure the Muslim super assassins have something similar up their sleeves like prayers and rites that can help fuck a vampire up. It's some easily conceivable bullshit

>>273462481
King Hassan, Fathomless Rift, and Serenity, assuming her poison is on a similar level to Hydra venom given Jester said that would have killed him.
Also cursed arm should be able too, assuming Nasu doesn’t retcon the arm to not be the literal arm of Satan (iirc, he said it lost most of its authority and stuff and won’t comment more on it since Muslims don’t take kindly to people talking or portraying their religion).
Intoxicated smoke possibly, since they’re literally intangible and you can’t hurt them at all for 7 days and nights. I can see them outlasting the vampires blood stockpile.

>>273459764
But it’s Japan, of course they are strong with their teenagers, thousand fold katanas and wobbly fists

>>273460591
Wish they’d introduce Sir Lamorrak to Fate already. Top three to top five strongest knight. Dude soloed bands of 30+ knights by himself, and it took Mordred, Gawain, Agravain and Gaheris attacking him unarmed and by surprise to take him down. It also took hours and Mordred had to backstab him to finish the fight.

>>273460591
Depending on the version, Tristan is called outright superior to Lancelot (Lancelot is called Silver while Tristan is called Gold).

>>273463039
Gil states that he would have had way, way more trouble with Herc if it hadn't been for Herc needing to protect Illya. Even with that handicap, right at the end Herc still did the impossible and broke the Chain of Heaven before very nearly breaking Gil's neck.

>>273462949
>>273462983
Nasu picks and chooses from different stories to form his amalgamated lore. In Fate, Lancelot is the strongest and Tristan isn't.

Lamorrak probably isn't stronger than Lancelot or Saber.

>>273463039
> At almost the same instant Gilgamesh deployed his Gate of Babylon, Alkeides fired his bow.
Hundreds of Noble Phantasms were fired.
>Not the weak Noble Phantasms that Gilgamesh had attacked with during their confronta-tion in the wasteland—each and every one of these would be sure to smash his opponent's Spirit Origin.

Oh no no no hercbros… Gilgamesh never even used strong weapons against us, and when he did we needed to be saved by Ishtar…

>>273463039
>>273463083
Alcides isn't a hero, just a cheap and disposable villain. Doesn't matter what NPs you give him, he's destined to die like a dog.

>>273463039
>needed literal divine intervention to win
alcbros...

>>273463083
I mean, Enkidu flat out doesn't do anything to guys with high strength and no divinity like Spartacus or Alcides.

>>273462681
>assuming her poison is on a similar level to Hydra venom
It's outright SHOWN in Fragments that it isn't. Which is why Serenity could kiss Jekyll's master after he became a ghoul, because he is a corpse and thus isn't affected by her poison.

>>273463196
Enkidu is less useful but not useless, Enkidu can literally bind space

>>273463196
He's referring to Berserker Herc who does have Divinity anon.

>>273463196
it's still a divine construct chain

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>>273463125
>Not the weak Noble Phantasms that Gilgamesh had attacked with during their confronta-tion in the wasteland—each and every one of these would be sure to smash his opponent's Spirit Origin
>And Alkeides intercepted their attacks and only had to turn to dodge the remaining attacks.
>Then Gil thought that he could counter the powered arrows and ended up as a skewer.

>>273463309
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH ISHTAR AND HUWAWA SAVE MEEEEEEE

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>>273463039
It's funny how the gilfags blame Ishtar when in the novel the narrative always highlighted that Alcides was constantly wary of his surroundings to prove his superiority over Gil in the same situation.

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>>273463357
einzbern ishtar is pretty hot

>>273463404
>gets bailed out by ishtar and humbaba when facing gil
>gets bailed out by thia when facing gugalanna
>about to get 1v1'd by someone far weaker
if he did all that by himself he'd be a top tier servant but there's always someone coming in at the last second to save him

Alcide's been struggling this entire war.

>>273463336
>>273463357
>>273463404
>It's not fair! alcides may have always been cautious with the other enemies around but gilgamesh is not capable of doing so!

>>273463103
Well he is stated to be weaker than Lancelot and Tristan (in the top 3 version), and weaker than Arthur (in the top 5).

It’s just that when in Fate those all either have divine blessings, fairy blessings. beam sabers, dragon cores, combination of multiple of those, etc. Him getting by without those is pretty badass in my eyes.

If it was FGO I could totally see him bullying Mordred, or that he was amongst the knights who didn’t follow the Lion King and was overwhelmed by those who received the new blessings.

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>powerlevel discussions
i miss these types of discussion ignoring fgo shenanigans

>>273463508
Mordred has a dragon core.

>>273463548
Does she? None of her profiles mention it and I don’t believe it’s ever stated in FGO or the Apo anime

I wonder if the manga is going to resume now.

>>273463548
She inherited the dragon factor from Saber. It's not at the same tie as Saber's, but it's the reason for her extremely high mana capacity, Mana Burst, and ability to spam Clarent.

>>273463548
Still took him three friends, hours of struggling against an unarmed opponent and backstabbing to get the job done

>>273463682
That could simply be because she’s a homunculus, which naturally have more circuits than humans by default.
Her having a dragon core isn’t stated anywhere as far as I know.

>>273463619
I dunno what's up with it, but Shizuki seemingly only wants releases to happen at the same time as LN.

>>273462179
Drake and it is not even close

>>273463753
She has the dragon trait in FGO. Even if it’s not directly stated she should have a dragon core

>>273463878
Not all Dragon Cores are equal, mind you. Still, even Liz has A-rank Mana and Magic Resistance due to it. Kinda makes you wonder how degraded Mordred's is since her Magic Resistance only goes up to B.

>>273462513
The Abrahamic God is very loosely defined in Fate. Other than the fact that Solomon and Galahad are stated to be akin to one another as someone granted rights by God, there's not even a clear way connection between the Judeo-Christian God and the Islamic interpretation of him. That is to say, there's no way to know how Hassans compare to clergy or saints.

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>>273455758
I wonder if Fate is ever going to bring up Baldwin IV. Probably not so as not to diminish Richard's rivalry with Saladin unfortunately.

>>273464117
When has Nasu ever paid any mind to Narita? That said, I doubt he'd be interested either way.

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>>273463039
Image outdated.

>>273463946
Mana rank doesn’t correlate to how much magical energy you have.
Medea’s CM3 profile:
>Territory Creation: A
>The ability to create a territory to gather mana is a special characteristic of the Caster class. Medea's inherent magical capacity is not that great but by expanding her territory to collect mana, it becomes possible for her to use high level magecraft.
Medea explicitly has low personal mana levels, but has A+ Rank mana stat.

>>273463946
>>273464262
Also Magic resistance doesn’t correlate to the mana stat or how much mana you have, since Gilgamesh has no magic resistance despite having absurd mana levels according to Nasu (though this could be because he is rejecting his divinity, which comes with a bunch of assorted skills).

>>273463103
>In Fate, Lancelot is the strongest
Honestly really doubt that's the case anymore. He's suffered considerably since his introduction when it comes to his portrayal. Lancelot is a surprisingly low mystery Servant for his class, even when compared to some of his colleagues at the Round Table like Artoria.

>>273464336
He's super good at fighting. That's it. He managed to fight Gawain for half a day until his Numeral of the Saint deactivated, at which point he won. He's a turbo-gorilla who's only good at fighting and nothing else. He's weak against mental attacks; hesitation and self-doubt are his greatest enemies. This is why he works so well as a Berkerker. No need to think, can't even communicate properly, he just ungabungas until the enemy's dead. It's his most optimal state.

>>273464117
I wouldn't doubt it, they recently added Constantine XI to FGO who is probably the least impactful Byzantine emperor, yet they love those sob stories

>>273464406
Who even made his replica anyway? It should have been by someone who'd seen Excalibur firsthand since it even has fae letters. Also, were they colorblind?

>>273464252
>>273463039
Would Gil have an easier or a harder time with not corrupted archer herc?

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They didn't showed porperly how Saber repelled zabaniya but they put Loxley in thar really short frame with white flash.

>>273464494
He'd take Archer Herc more seriously and use more optimal tactics. How seriously he DOES take the fight is anyone's guess, but he definitely would treat Archer with more respect.

Also, Saber is the better class in a raw fight.

>>273464467
It isn't a "real" Excalibur, the Throne manifests it as one of his many abilities. Richard (real Richard) claimed the sword(s) he carried were in fact the actual Excalibur, the Throne is just making his Arthurian-boo autism into a usable skill.

>>273464426
That's what I mean, skill seems to be his only outstanding asset and that tends to play second-hand to pure rank and mystery power in Fate. Even just recently Percival demonstrated the the ability to make a miracle without even having to sacrifice his own life (better than Roland's) which allowed him to punch WAAAAAY above his weight class. If that's just Percival, who is Galahad's n#2, imagine the kinda shit that guy can pull. Artoria similarly has that kind of mythic-level stuff. Meanwhile Lancelot swings a sword really good, and even got taken out by Agravain. Dude needs a buff.

>>273464540
>Crossbow
Man, they probably think it's EXTRA Robin, don't they?

>>273463608
She does, it was inherited from Saber. Same reason she can use Mana Burst, hers is simply wilder and less controlled than Saber.

>>273464252
Is that guy on the bottom the one with a blessing the game called comparable to all the Japanese gods and Buddhas?

>>273464540
>>273464580
Hey, shouldn’t there be multiple different robins? Would be neat to see a different one for his helper.

>>273464614
Eh. He didn't really live up to the hype. Just empty wank for Abrahamic God if you ask me.

>>273463946
Mordred is just dumb, and an immature homunculus.

>>273464621
This Robin Hood should also be assassin instead of archer.

>>273464494
He'd take him more seriously, but Archer Herc would be more vulnerable to some of Gil's tricks.

>>273464550
Saber Herc is his "strongest" class because he has the full power of Nine Lives plus Marmyadose (which is Excalibur++), Archer is always said to be his "best" class.

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>>273464614
Yes.

>>273464557
Agravain is strong. And he doped himself. Also, Arondight.

>>273464614
Yes. Samson.

>>273464630
The downside to such a strong blessing is usually that it's got a big flaw. Achilles is the fastest Servant among everybody for example, but because of that anybody who sees him use his full speed will immediately know who he is and know to target his heel. Assuming they can hit it anyway.

Samson is the same. He's complete bullshit OP, but is countered by the fact that anybody who can ID him will know immediately to have a woman cut off his hair. He doesn't even get to really resist it either, ordinary scissors would do the trick.

>>273464621
Yeah. Based on how his life went, EXTRA Robin probably never met Richard I.

>>273464684 #
>Marmyadose
This is a meme. It's British fanfiction. In fact, Castria's profile for Marmyadose just kinda fails to bring up Heracles at all.

>>273464830
Nasu can't tell the difference.

>loves Ayaka
>want to become her
>fused with a fairy????
But why though?

>>273464790
Extra Robin never even was Robin, I really hate that. There is a whole legend about Robin Hood and his sherwood's gang who stole from the rich and gave to the poor. He's potentionally can be an interesting servant for protagonist since he isn't really broken in any way, just a simple man but with dirty tricks. But for some reason Nasu decided to make an OC and don't use almost nothing from original story.

Why does Richard have super speed? The fuck does that got to do with his legends?

>>273464773
If that were true, both Musashi and Dorothea would have been able to cut his hair as women with more skill and dexterity than Dayu but in the cinematic he proved to be faster than Musashi and Takeru. But the strategy was that it was specifically the woman he trusted, as well as doing it for the purpose of saving him, so it is not believable that any woman could cut his hair. Such specific conditions I don't see that it can be repeated enough to call it a huge weakness.

>>273465059
Sweeney Todd would be his hard-counter.

>>273465174
Lmao.

>>273465022
The justification stated in the story is that the historical Richard was very adept at lightning warfare and liked to ride fast.

>>273465281
lol so what? Lots of Heroic Spirits share those kinds of traits, but they don't get such potent skill upgrades from them. Cu Chulainn's fast too, you know? Where's HIS Agi buff?

>>273465335
kind of a bad example since Cu is one of the more bullshit servants with half a dozen incarnations and a million skills and buffs between them.

>>273465335
Cu has rank A Agility?

>>273465281
lol what a retarded justification. I expect no less from Narita

>>273465373
Richard can eventually outspeed him. Narita gave Richard a skill that can eventually let him outspeed Atalante, Cu Chulainn and even Achilles.

>>273465456
He can't outspeed Achilles, Achilles has conceptual "is the fastest" on his side, As fast as Richard gets, Achilles is always faster. Can't beat infinity.

99% of Fate abilities and powers are made up by the author anyways. It's not like Galahad's shield was actually the fucking Round Table itself.

>>273465456
That’s retarded. The fuck was Narita smoking?

>>273465456
Anybody can outspeed Atalante, just throw an apple on the track. It even gets you a marriage proposal when you win.

>>273465507
>That’s retarded. The fuck was Narita smoking?
That's like literally the whole F/SF.
And stil it's not even clost to whatever Nasu id doing now when he's trying to mix fantasy with sci-fi, with aliens and giant robots.

>>273465507
It just buffs his Agility the longer a fight goes. It isn't an actual NP.

>>273465552
Speed buff the longer the fight get is fucking OP

Who is currently in the lead right now

>>273465592
Only against someone who can't kill him easily in short time, which is still a lot of other servants.

>>273465500
This, most of skills and NPs are bullshit anyway.

I still don't get why the Round Table belongs to Galahad. Shouldn't it belong to Kimg Arthur? So does that mean Galahad is the true leader of the Round Table? And what does it mean that Galahad's NP summons the walls of Camelot? So Galahad is the master of Camelot as well? What does that make King Arrhur then?

>>273465879
What is Galahad’s abilities in the myth then?

>>273465933
He's the purest one and the only one worthy enough to obtain the Holy Grail. It was originally Percival, but the someone went "Nah, fuck that guy, my OC is way better." Which, incidentally, is the entire Round Table.

>>273465879
Galahad "completed" the Round Table by sitting in the last empty seat, or something.

There also seems to be the sense that Galahad wasn't loyal to King Arthur, but only to God. He doesn't seem to feel anything towards King Arthur.

>>273465879
>>273465973
Galahad sits in the Siege Perilous. At the RT, Arthur is no greater than any other knight. Only the Siege Perilous, for the greatest knight, has authority, and it's a moral authority (though "siege" originally meant "throne").

>>273465959
Nasu gave Percival runner-up in that Galahad and he found the Grail, but Galahad returned it to heaven while Percy stayed behind to serve as custodian of the Lance of Longinus. One in heaven, one on earth.

>>273466258
That explanation doesn't seem to entirely fly in Fate. While Galahad is wanked up as the greatest of knights, it's made abundantly clear that the Round Table exists for King Arthur. So much so that half the Round Table break down in tears when they sense Saber's presense for their abject failure towards her.

>>273466333
It may or may not, but that's the myth. Arthur isn't even hugely relevant as a great warrior in proper Arthurian legend, he is important as the one who founded the RT and its base in Camelot, but he's only maybe upper mid-tier among the knights. Tristan, or Lancelot are usually wanked as the strongest. Gawain is wanked as strong, but his role in most myths is to be a thug fucking up and failing at chivalry. The highest authority of the RT and the one it is meant for is Galahad (or Perceval in older myths), because he completes the Grail Quest, Merlin even reserved his seat for him when it was first founded because that was part of why, to find the grail. Everybody else failed it, including Arthur. There's like 150 knights who try, and only Galahad succeeds (followed by Perceval and Bors).

Nasu took a lot of inspiration from White in regards to Galahad. Whilst not as extreme as White's take, the idea that Galahad was pure to the point of being inhuman was clearly inspired by White's portrayal of Galahad being so perfect that no one wanted to be around him due to his utter lack of tact or social grace. White saw absolute purity as not necessarily a good thing.

In Fate, Galahad was born for the explicit purpose of finding the Holy Grail and returning it to God. The Empty Seat was empty because it was preordained that he would take his seat on it, so one could say that it existed primarily for the sake of fulfilling this prophecy. It almost seems as though Camelot, the Round Table and even King Arthur were just tools so that Galahad could eventually fulfill his purpose.

Galahad was sent by King Arthur to fibd the Holy Grail so that it may be used to save the kingdom, but Galahad did not seek it out for the King. He alone knew that the Holy Grail would never be granted to Arthur. Perhaps he even knew what would become of Camelot in its final years. He found the Grail, returned it to Heaven and ascended along with it. Shortly thereafter, Percival died, the Round Table fell apart and King Arthur wept as she saw everything fall to ruin.

>>273466333
It's a moral and religious authority, Galahad is literally such a massive turbovirgin icon of virtue that he directly ascended to heaven as a reward for achieving the grail. The Round Table exists to support Arthur/Saber, and Saber is undeniably their King of Knights and the leader they emulate, but none of them would deny that Galahad is the holiest amongst them. It's kind of hard for Saber to hold that title, what with the whole "being a terrible husband (female) to your political marriage wife, accidentally fathering(female) a bastard child with your half-sister who grows up and tries to kill you, and having soap opera drama with a goddamn Frenchman fucking your wife and feeling guilty about it"

Galahad looks at all that messy soap opera shit and says "later nerds, virginity rocks" and skips dying to just go straight to fucking heaven

Can't Hyde technically be both possible form for SF Jack AND summoned as Pretender Jack?

>>273466684
I mean a lot of the myth is just retcons after retcons. What Nasu does is try to reconciliate later stories with earlier ones while sort of evening out a lot of the blatant biases and mary sueisms of later takes.

>>273466715
That's just your interpretation. In terms of how Nasu wrote them, he still attempts to present Saber as a paragon of chivalry and virtue. You just choose to interpret her in a worse light because it falls more in line with classic Arthurian stories. In order to justify Galahad's existence and actions in the major stories, Saber has to be a piece of shit worthless king in your eyes.

>>273466684
>Gawain is wanked as strong
He has lots of stories about him. He is the only strong knight that isn’t a Mary Sue, unlike Lancelot and Galahad.

Also he has a hot wife, kind of

>>273466715
Saber's thing was she was too perfect which came across as inhuman, and everyone around her was a fuck up.

>>273466790
>Dude was SO strong and righteous that he was blessed by a saint
Any famous knight of the round is a mary sue. Most Knights of the Round are basically wanked by saying they're either:
>This knight is better and cooler tjan King Arthur
or
>This knight is better and cooler than the guy who's better and cooler than King Arthur
Gawain, Lancelot, Tristan, Percival, Galahad, they were all like this.

>>273466830
At the same time, though, she had a measure of humanity. Galahad had even less humanity to the point of being robotic. He lived without thought or emotion.

>>273466838
>blessed by a saint
I thought the he solar power thing is an inborn trait?

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>>273466777
>In terms of how Nasu wrote them, he still attempts to present Saber as a paragon of chivalry and virtue.
Chivalry, yes. Christian virtue absolutely not, and in fact Saber's greatest struggles are the burden of kingship and head of state and how that is often at odds with the "right" choice.
Are you forgetting that even in Fate/, the round table is ultimately split by the public revelations of Guinevere's infidelity? And again, even in Fate/, Galahad/Mash openly harasses Lancelot for being a scumbag unable to keep his french cock in his pants and being responsible for the Round Table falling apart?

Galahad being such a turbovirgin icon of virtue despite Lancelot being his father is no accident, the contrast couldn't be clearer.

>>273463785
Erice...

>>273466896
Lancelot deserves it honestly. Dude even killed Gawain and his siblings. No wonder Agravain loses his shit in Camelot when he betrays Artoria again.

>>273463128
>he's destined to die like a dog.
So he's still going to have a better death then the King of Jobbers then?

>>273466790
>Also he has a hot wife,
Gawain has a wife? Why didn’t he mention her?

>>273466896
Nasu doesn't understand or care about Christian virtue so I doubt it was a massive concern for him.

In fact, here's my prediction: When we finally see what Galahad's deal was in FGO, Nasu will reveal that he always knew that Camelot would fall, and at the moment he returned the Holy Grail to Heaven, he'll have accidentally seen a vision of King Arthur alone on a hill of corpses. And his final emotion that continues to haunt him in all of his summonings was regret and self-derision as a knight who has only ever betrayed his king. Screencap this.

>>273466777
>>273466990
in both Le Morte d'Arthur and Nasu's works, Arthur struggling with kingship is a major element. Uniting Britain's warring lands as the shining knight in armor came much easier than ruling it and navigating the perils of court and politics. Uther Pendragon was a politician. Saber/Arthur is not, and she ultimately dies as a result.

You're also severely downplaying how severe a sin incest was and how Mordred's birth leading to Arthur's downfall is karmic retribution. The fact Morgause was much older than young Arthur and basically cradle robbed him to get pregnant on purpose so her child could inherit is irrelevant, even teenage Arthur is seen as responsible for banging his half-sister. Fate/ actually goes out of its way to whitewash Arthur as much as possible for the purpose of being an eroge with a virgin heroine, so Morgan stealing cum from a magic incubus futa cock comes across as more absurdist than anything else, but Mordred is still a sin for Arthur and means he can never be as virtuous and untainted Galahad

>Morgan is actually three people
What the fuck was Nasu thinking?
>>273467005
Wasn't Prototype Arthur aka Male Saber raped too with his Male Mordred being completely Psycho for him?

>>273467005
None of that actually matters. You're conflating what you believe Nasu should be doing with what he's actually doing. What are you expecting from a Japanese writer who made King Arthur a girl with a laser sword?

>>273467046
>Wasn't Prototype Arthur aka Male Saber raped too with his Male Mordred being completely Psycho for him?
That's how the actual myths and Once and Future King play out, yes.

>>273466790
>He is the only strong knight that isn’t a Mary Sue
Tristan clowns on him in like 70-80% of the myths anon.

>>273467052
>You're conflating what you believe Nasu should be doing with what he's actually doing.
You have already been told what Nasu's doing, bro. Did you not play Camelot?
>>273466896
Look at the quote in pic related. It's literally Galahad chewing out Lancelot via Mash

>>273455835
Kid & Caster are more calm, Archer is the peak of his arrogance. That's why being classless is CCC makes him less prideful.

>>273465335
Cu didn't have a causality rewriting attack in myth either so whatever

>>273467079
Do you actually believe that Galahad is going to be an absolute perfect paragon of flawlessness? How much of Nasu's stories have you read? No one's perfect. If anything, it's usually the "perfect" ones that have the most issues. Like at Solomon.

>>273465456
>that can eventually let him outspeed Achilles
No he can't. Achilles is the fastest Servant in this franchise as shown by his NP

I wonder how Shirou would react to learning Gil got summoned again while he was off being a Seigi no Mikata. Even Rin gets in on the action.

>>273466715
Isn't Galahad a bustard born from rape? How exactly is that holy?

>>273467107
Being too "perfect" causing him to be distanced and unempathetic towards regular people is literally a plot point in T.H White's The Once and Future King, the book that Nasu has largely copied the characterization of most Camelot members from. You're not clever for predicting "UH GALAHAD WILL HAVE PROBLEMS FROM BEING TOO PERFECT!" when people have known and expected that to be the case all along.

Hell, we've already seen that Once and Future King characterization come up with Galahad not caring enough to help fix the lostbelts, the only time he intervenes is when his turbovirgin omega-purity status is threatened in Fairy Camelot, where he beats the shit out of Boggart to protect Mash's chastity even while she's enchanted. Galahad's not gonna let his turbovirgin Wizard status be threatened by any barbed dicks

>>273466983
Because now that his death his marriage oaths don't apply anymore (until death do us part) so he doesn't care anymore.

>>273459686
Once again, the church ruins everything. We could have been the cool timeline!

>>273467161
>Isn't Galahad a bustard born from rape? How exactly is that holy?
it's a 5th century iron age story, men can't be raped and Galahad's birth was prophesized by her father. Also, considering both Lancelot and Elaine were unwed virgins at the time, and Lancelot's only objection to a marriage was "UH, WELL ACTUALLY I'M IN LOVE WITH KING ARTHUR'S WIFE!" he can't exactly protest it too hard

>>273467046
>Morgan is actually three people
It's hilarious hiw he made her the biggest schizo (true) in all of type moon

>>273467067
And Tristan is a Mary Sue, so what’s your point

>>273467190
I thought he didn’t mention his wife because she is terrible or something

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>>273467046
>>273467213
It's technically not something he made up completely. In the earliest known stories featuring Morgan, she was actually an ally to King Arthur who was nothing but helpful towards him. A much later story presented her as Arthur's sister who was on good terms with him. As Morgan became increasingly sensual in nature, she was eventually turned into a villainous figure by the French. Several stories also portray Morgan or Morgause as the Lady of the Lake as well.

As a hallmark of Nasu's Arthurian mythos is to reconcile various contradictory stories into a single history, picking things he likes and throwing out what he doesn't, he decided to combine all versions of Morgan into a single entity. The benevolent fae goddess, the kindly sister and the evil witch. All of them are legitimate portrayals of Morgan and Nasu decided to use them all.

Also, I interpret Nasu turning King Arthur into such a powerful and saintly warrior as him trying to reconcile the earliest Pre-Morte stories with the later Post-Morte ones. Very early mythologized tales of King Arthur often presented him saint-like. He carried a blessed shield with the Virgin Mary's face painted on it and performed miraculous deeds across the lands. Before he became the King of Cucks who did nothing all day while half a dozen mary sues showed up to do whatever, he was an adventurer king who smote demons and slayed dragons.

Pretty impressive for a guy whose earliest known stories was about how he lost a battle and died.

>>273467335
Morgause is arthur's sister and mother of Mordred. Morgana Le Fay is the enchantress and is a separate character entirely in most versions. Morgause was Queen of Orkney but in an unhappy marriage, and most notably is GAWAIN'S MOTHER too. She's also decades older than Arthur, hence her child being a similar age to him, she nightcrawlered him as a teen to get pregnant once young Arthur was proclaimed Uther's heir and stopped being a ward raised with Kay.

either out of laziness or convenience to consolidate characters, and the fact their names are kinda similar, Morgause and Morgan Le Fay are sometimes combined into one character, but this dramatically changes the dynamic.

>>273467190
Now I want to know what his wife is like

>>273467437
I find it weird tgat he throw the Lady if the Lake in there as well

>>273467437
Yeah, the point is Nasu cherry-picks the parts he thinks are coolest and combines them forvhis version. The thing with Morgan is that he liked three different mutually exclusive versions of Morgan and turned her into a schizo so he could have all of them.

>Mordred is both Gawain's half brother and cousin
KEK

>>273467333
My HERO

>>273467454
Because, again, Morgan was sometimes the Lady of the Lake as well. In fact, Morgan being the Lady of the Lake seems to mostly predate her being a villain.

>>273467483
I reckon Merlin not even existing in the Arthurian legend in the first place.
How old is Morgan in those legends? Is she celtic era?

>>273467539
I think Merlin existed in some form since the Historia Regum Britanniae, so I'm pretty sure he predates the earliest depiction of Morgan.

>>273467483
>Morgan was sometimes the Lady of the Lake as well
Where did you get this?

>>273467660
In the Historia Regum Britanniae, when Arthur is dying and brought to Avalon, he's received by Morgen who revives him. It's unknown whether this was the inspiration of the Lady of the Lake character. However, as the myths of King Arthur were elaborated on by many different individuals across the centuries, Morgan's role has pretty much gone through dozens of different interpretations. Even now, historians aren't really sure if Morgan and the Lady are meant to be the same or different individuals.

>>273467539
Merlin existed before Arthurian Mythos but as a legendary druid rather then a courtly wizard. As for Morgan, she was likely "inspired" by Irish Goddess Morrígan so she too should pre date Arthur and by roughly 500 years no less

>>273467166
>Galahad's not gonna let his turbovirgin Wizard status be threatened by any barbed dicks
Lol this is your headcanon, there is no proof of your words.

>>273467333
Gawain is a ToT?! I certainly didn't expect that

>>273467845
Didn't Arthur existed in Celtic Tradition as a Breton warlord?

>>273467909
I don't know about Celtic Tradition but many historians do agree that Arthur himself most likely did exists during the early 6th century just like the Tojan War did actually occur around the end of the Bronze Age. He was probably just a very successful British warlord who defeated lots of saxon invaders and not some dragon girl with a magical sword

>>273455835
You can't answer that question in TM because Nasu went full autistic about his lore with this prime species shit.

>>273463103
He's is stronger because he fucked morgasue and made gaheris seethe
I wonder if gaheris will be the opposite of agravain. A mama's boy

I think the blonde girl who wants to destroy magecraft by exposing It to the wrold is pretty based
I hope she succeds in her plan in the end when they use Richard's NP to destroy the nuke the American goverment is dropping on snowfield

>>273467107
Galahad alter fucks prostitutes

>>273468245
Galahad Alter is almost certainly Sir Balin doing a Galahad impersonation.

>>273467909
Much of the earliest writings about King Arthur were about his twelve battles (which are only mentioned but not really described and have no clear dates), culminating in his defeat at the tenth. At some point, he became memed into a warrior who went around slaying monsters and shit. When Nasu compared him to Heracles, he didn't just pull it out of his ass. King Arthur was a mighty hero who protected Britain not just from invaders, but supernatural threats all over the British Isles. By the 11th Century, he'd become memed into a full-blown messianic figure, a divine protector of Britain.

The Knights of the Round Table weren't really a thing until the 12th Century, and they were mostly a French thing.

>>273468186
>I think the blonde girl who wants to destroy magecraft by exposing it to the world is pretty based
Wait, who? And why?

>>273468444
>Twelve battles
>Defeated at the tenth
Wait, what?

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>>273468630
Haruri Borzack
She's the granddaughter of that one bee DA Kiritsugu killed
After his death, their family lost protection and the vultures at the Clock Tower swooped down to steal everything from them making her hate Mages

>>273467046
Beings of the planet are not quite just their Camelot selves. We knew for a long time Merlin has been around "rising an destroying kingdoms" and got cold feet in his latest beat. Also Morgan fucked Ceasar which would be impossible with the one born in VI AD.
With Morgan's emphasis on three, and also being the Morrigan. There's a chance she's actually the archetype of the great feminine (the "triple goddess"). Who knows.

>>273468444
>The Knights of the Round Table weren't really a thing until the 12th Century, and they were mostly a French thing.
We still had a equivalent since Kay, Gawain and I think Percival preceded the table too. (Though they had different names)

Reminder Morgan's the true ruler of Britain according to Garden of Avalon.

>>273467896
His tastes ate controversial, he likes young girls but also he love big breasts, the bigger the better, he was fine with Passionlip's badonkas.