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Posting a little earlier because I don't feel so good and I wanna go to bed

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Kek

>>275324707
Hope you feel better. I'll shout you out in the Jojo storytime.

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Yagami moment

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>>275325392
Aww thanks anon, you're too kind

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And done. Another laid back chapter, though I liked it, I think Ohba can write SoL better than drama. What do you think?
See you tomorrow, hope you enjoyed

>>275324738
I love that the little logo for +Natural is the Russian egg homunculus.

I can only guess Tanto is gonna be a U19 without the hiatus cope saving their ass.

>>275324983
>Don't worry, Kaya. I'm sure you're stronger than him.
What's the powerscaling for Bakuman?

>>275324738
>i wish i was at home drawing manga
>my feet hurt

>>275324862
yujiro turned into matsuda for one panel

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>>275325458

>>275325888
That protagonist design is U19 bait for sure

>>275326014
Kaya > power gap > Fukuda > Aoki > the rest > Mashiro

>>275325311
What are the two series always placed on top of Crow supposed to be? OP and Naruto?

>>275325514
Eiji Nizuma has created a ripple effect within Team Fukuda
The infection is spreading

>>275324947
Always liked this guy

>>275324983
Only 2 assistants? Is it because gag manga get less pages?

>>275327849
No anon, he has pioneered ahead, so the rest too will now "scale the wall".

>>275327727
Yeah. Naruto was basically always in the top 3 at the time.

>>275325458
Frankly it's almost a miracle that this shut in is so well groomed and his room is tidy.

>>275324825
>Keyed
It's never gonna catch on Takagi, stop it.

>>275325145
Puppet Master Yoshida

>>275324779
at least Hiramaru didn't puke this year

>>275324983
annoying retard, other assistants were better

>>275325458
good editor egging him on

>>275332108
I really do like their relationship shame it didn't make it into the anime

>>275325426
Kek, he really is a salty gamer. I also like that their relationship is similar to a child and parent, it is really endearing.

>>275325236
wait NIzuma is the older one? I thought he was the youngest of the bunch

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>>275325042
how did they get away with such a blatant knockoff?

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>>275332508
nah he's always been a year older than everyone

>>275332652
must be how he acts, I assumed he was still in high school or something

>>275325514
the way the chapter ends are always weird, I keep thinking a page is missing

>>275332264
anime dropped the ball on a ton of things, ratings must not have been good

>>275333020
for the things they cut like this, I guess it's just because they wanted the 3 seasons to all be a uniform 25 episodes each and Shizuka just doesn't fit

>>275333105
Shizuka's just completely disconnected from the rest of the cast, like off the top of my head the only time where he's ever even remotely relevant to anyone else is when True Human gets serialized over KTM.

>>275329846
That's super locked of you bruvlet
Millhouse IS a meme too

>>275324707
are these fancy dinner parties real? I can't see any anti social mangaka artists enjoying them

>>275334783
Yes.

>>275324910
Like why? Aren't they all from the same magazine.
>>275325353
It really looks bland like a filler manga or axebait

>>275332990
Yeah, I’ve been thinking the same thing since the beginning. Some chapters aren’t so bad, but a lot of them are like this one.

>>275335304
They're published in the same mag but that doesn't change chain of command. Why assign an editor to someone if any editor is considered okay to just support any artist? Focus on what's on your plate and trust others around you to get done with what's on theirs. It's kinda egotistical to go behind another editor's back to support another artist as if you have a better idea of what they need.

>>275334783
ToC comments after New Years are always about them.

>>275326014
Kaya > editor-in-chief > Hattori > Nizuma > big gap > everyone else struggling

>>275325426
>>275325458
Yamahisa continues to be a solid editor contrary to his initial carefree and somewhat sleazy front.

>>275324947
>>275324983
Shonen ass protag looking motherfucker. I remember liking him though.

>>275325094
>>275325145
Yoshida/Hiramaru continues to be a comedy gold mine.

>>275325426
>>275325458
I hope Obata had lots of fun drawing these faces. shizuka's story just kinda fizzled out. I wonder if they had something else planned for him and just changed their mind.

>>275325514
>father of the rising stars in jump
I've missed the last thread, but Nizuma's line here was supposed to bem a reference to Star of the Giants. Lost in translationapparently.

>>275337721
>Shonen ass protag looking motherfucker. I remember liking him though.
I don't remember him at all

>>275324983
poor Takahama, looks miserable back to being a assistant

>>275324707
Araigods we appear again

>>275325042
So Iwase is supposed to be all about high literature and she ended up making a pokemon knock-off? this almost feels like she's making some elaborate point about how lowbrow manga is as a medium.

>>275339817
I still think she should have made a detective series, would have really made them seethe

>>275325094
What's with those posters?

>>275340190
Everyone has posters of Aoki these days, anon.

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a slow bakuman thread today I see

>>275340190
A reminder to do it for her.

I think we can all agree that Hiramura deserves to marry Aoki.

>>275340190
if she saw them she would be creeped the fuck out

>>275343287
These chapters haven't been filled with shit tier drama

>>275343817
Hiramaru deserves all the bitches and a yacht

>>275340190
Lol I just now noticed them. It’s pretty funny that they’re just there in the background without anyone commenting on them.

Tanto is the most like his Uncle's manga and is complete shit, is there a connection?

>>275334398
>Millhouse IS a meme too
Now i know it's you Takagi. You can't just replace gags with old ass internet references (that are not even memes).

Aoki deserves better

>>275346818
>t. Nakai self-inserter

>>275340190
just, uhhhhhh, anatomy reference. pay no mind.

>>275346849
nakai and himura are both creepy fucks, only one gets away with it because he's funny and not fat

>>275327727
It's likely those two.
If you think about it, Naruto was about a year or so into airing shippuden when this chapter was being published. One piece has always been near the top, while of the 'big three' bleach was already dropping off since it got axed around two years after Bakuman finished.

>>275340190
considering his editor, probably bribes he's given him.

>>275335304
>Like why? Aren't they all from the same magazine.
From what I can gather from reading Bakuman, is that Shonen Jump itself works on a competition basis. Not just for the authors, but editors as well. If you're all working together, you get lazy, but if you feel like you can get fired for not being as good as your coworkers, you will be motivated

>>275348825
Yeah, it's one of the most realistic aspects of this manga.

>>275338197
He always looks miserable.

>>275348825
More like because he doesn't inflict it on anyone. Nakai crosses the fucking line while Hiramaru is just parasocial cringe. He shouldn't be doing it, but Nakai was way more fucking objectionable.

>>275350510
he was happy in the beginning when he had his own series

>>275350974
In the beginning he was a miserable assistant who looked down on his fellow assistants. Cheered up when his oneshot did well and went back to being miserable when Miura told him to up the gags for serialization.

bakubump

>>275325042
At this point Ohba is just sucking his own cock.

Bump

>>275345503
Ga-AAACK manga

>>275325145
The best duo

Reminder that Miura made it as EiC IRL when Jump was full of unfunny gag manga every new serialization

>>275355419
Compared to cringe battle manga every new serialisation?

>>275325514
They're "scaling the wall"

>>275352626
Why? Death note only did what Miura described but it didn't set itself up as a very shounen-esque series.

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Hey hey hey, feeling great today so let's go. Today
Chapter 75: New House and New Series

>>275358462
wow, he actually says something decent for once

>>275358620
so much for Takagis "but statics I trust" and their general acceptance of "as long as we have a manga that won't get cancelled"

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Get fucked Takagi

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Honestly this bitch is so stupidly spiteful her tism is starting to grow on me

>>275358731
rockpaperscissors to decide disagreements will seem like a fair method at first, but I guarantee that will lead to problems later on when you lose a match at a disagreement you really dislike or when you lose several times in a row

>>275358436
>Three bedrooms for two people.

Dads expecting to get to be a grandpa soon and acted in advance, Takagi, get going.

>>275358436
for 3 bedrooms that's insane, her dad really did help them out

>>275359167
Tantobabies, its over.

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Wrapped up, don't let Ashirogi know Eiji doesn't read their manga anymore. Hope you enjoyed
See you tomorrow

>>275359130
Ohba must be really old when all the character in the story only mention old catchphrases instead of newer memes

>>275359167
uh tantobros?

>>275359299
You mean Tantoddlers.

>>275358956
>>275358983
What a weird page transition, it feels like a page is missing in which Hattori says something to Iwase, but I checked and no, it's just like this, abruptly cut

>>275359167
DROPPED

>>275358620
>"kids" huh...? That's a bit pointed
Well what the fuck were you expecting dude, it's a manga for kids

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>>275358436
HAPPYoshi

>>275360709
What does a humble anon like me have to do for Miyoshi to be happy?

>>275358731
I'd bridal carry Miyoshi to that bed every single night

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>>275358896
Shocking to think SOME kid who will grow up to be a next generation mangaka was inspired by Tanto

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>>275358802
SMUGwase

>>275358676
just another example of Ohba's genius writing where the characters set a goal and change their minds a couple of chapter later.

>>275358668
Fucking Aida

>>275358704
>International sales of trap
Meanwhile at Barnes and Noble....
>>275358851
>Hattori
Ah man, see Hattori, this is where your good-natured meddling gets you!

>>275358956
Oh no. Hattori getting groomed.

>wants to start a boom with young kids and make them regular Jump readers
>even back then, the birth rate of Japan was decreasing fast
Tantobros, are we running against time?

>>275358956
correct me if i'm wrong but in the anime didn't he respond with something like "i'm sure the boys your age would find you attractive" or something? i'm pretty sure they didn't cut off like this at least

>>275361957
this is not the only time she confronts Hattori like this, I'm pretty sure he said that other stuff when Ashirogi is eavesdropping when tailing him

>>275358851
Iwase is like an ojou caricature that doesn't hit the laugh, she's great.

>>275358896
>baby
>9 years old

>>275358436
lucky fucks

>>275358535
>BB kenichi wasn't a gag manga
dude needs to stop being in denial

>>275358731
dad wants grandkids asap

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>>275364318
he really does need serious help admitting it

>>275358802
the only way to resolve this is dispute is to have a threesome

>>275358896
that's actually really wholesome, they shouldn't be so stuckup about doing a manga for kids

>>275363365
Nomenclature, autism-chan. As you age people half your age and below just seem like children.

>>275359070
On a re-read Miura's approach here sticks out more. He's focused on getting a stable series that has a lock on a target niche audience. While there are some differences, it makes me think this overlaps with Ashirogi Muto's preference for targeting a non-mainstream niche. Being an analytical kind of guy Shujin wasn't against gag manga eventually but as we're seeing even he has his limits and strengths that a pure data approach can't make up for. And the duo are realizing they won't be satisfied with the kind of low key success Miura is pushing for.

>>275359167
Ashirogi Muto bros it's over for us...

>>275358535
>it started to go bad when we added humor to it
You mean, it started to go bad when you were upset because you couldn't fucking communicate with your editor and weren't passionate about what you were making. Kenichi was clearly always meant to be a humorous story with the "297M yen remaining" bit as well.

>>275359130
he's being a retard, you can't force a hit it has to happen naturally.

>>275359167
I don't think they should have gave up on Tanto, kids like it. They should have had 2 mangas going on at the same time. Tanto's art style is easy enough to do as well

>>275358956
>19
>still a kid
smash it you pussy

>>275364577
The issue is they still refuse to settle on a goal. They claim to only want an anime. There's 2 paths there: make a wild breakout hit or make a stable long term manga. The 2nd one's easier and it's what they've been drifting towards, but they keep complaining about artistic expression while their goal is entirely commercial. I think it's reasonable given they're young and dumb and provides a nice clash between romanticism and realism in the industry, but I wish Mashiro would question his silly promise more and Miura would discuss the core issue in planning a series instead of letting them run in circles.

>>275359409
yea it's a problem with this manga

>>275364475
when talking about it they said it would be funny him trying out different jobs and failing at some right? Who would want to read a serious manga about entrepreneurship?

>>275364620
Miura isn't wrong at all even though they try to make him out to be. A stable gag manga for kids is perfectly fine

>>275364904
But we don't want to be [beloved classic children's series]!
We want to be [smash megahit superstar]!
Treating Jump as a competition might've been one of the top 5 mistakes of this series. The rivalry is fun and all but chasing the top before anything else really does make it seem like they just care about placement and not about telling a story they care about. It's pretty cynical and to an extent is true to some authors, but the authors with actual visions are usually treated as having more personality defects than the ones we just followed through the Dramabowl.

>>275364683
It also wouldn't surprise me if Takahama hit a wall with coming up with scenarios after a while even though he said he could just do internet research. It reminds me that once he starts the Ace Attorney knockoff manga we often see him spending a lot of time observing in person at courtrooms and his workplace is absolutely covered in books.

And of course there was Nakai there from the start of BB Kenichi messing with the work environment.

>>275358436
Takagi is a winner at life
>>275358676
>>275361165
Did you miss the whole Iwase subplot?
>>275359130
It feels like all their ideas originate from Mashiro. He could write, draw and edit the manga by himself.
>>275359167
It's over. I don't remember it going so quickly.

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>>275364880
more or less. didn't seem like a series to take itself that seriously at all

>>275358436
meanwhile my 10 year life saving earned me a 20 year mortgage from the bank to get a 2 bedroom apartment unit

>>275360709
This girls deserves all the happiness in the world. She and Hattori are the only likeable characters in this story

>>275365341
this is like the only time we see him happy

>>275365341
>>275364475
I can see maybe if he went wrong with making the gags too retarded.

Like he tries to start a delivery service, and the gags naturally come from hijinks making them late on deliveries or such. But then Mirua suggests something retarded like what if they train dogs to do the deliveries for them instead and the business fails because the dogs ended up eating the deliveries.

>>275365248
>It's over. I don't remember it going so quickly.
really? felt like the Tanto arc dragged on forever. How many chapters did they even do so far?

>>275365875
>How many chapters did they even do so far?
If +Natural has published chapter 7 that means Tanto chapter 6 just ran alongside it and Niizuma is working on chapter 10 of +Natural. The man really did give it the 3 episode test.

>>275365958
barely 10 chapters and they're throwing a fit over it? At least get to 30 chapters

>>275364791
I think other than wanting to beat Eiji and Iwase, the reason they also gave up on Tanto was because Takagi couldn't write any more gags and was on the point of collapse, it would've got cancelled anyway

>>275366599
Writing was on the wall after the 1st chapter.

>>275366707
The first chapter was literally THIS CHAPTER bro

>>275358462
finally, his head is out of his ass

>>275358731
erotic is not the first word that comes to mind

>>275359130
Repetitive gags at least do keep the series formula locked in for young viewers. A lot of zoomers probably know the story beats of a typical Phineas and Ferb episode by now

>>275358436
>parents in real estate
capitalist pigs

>>275368385
It also provides the framework for multiple gags, since subverting it becomes a potential as well. Kids tend to like a lot of commenting-on-the-obvious jokes (much much moreso in Japan, I've found) so baking in gag formats into characters is actually very solid advice.

>>275358535
I feel like it'd be hard to transition away from gag with the MC's lame ass design

>>275358436
Sorry, is 333 square feet seriously 30 square meters?

>>275364683
The 297M yen remaining bit sounds to me like a serious setting.
He can do good or bad, and it keeps track of how much money he has currently. Probably down the line he'd make a huge blunder and you'd have a 1m yen remaining or something where he'd build back up from.

>>275360699
The issue is that Azuki didn't even say that she enjoyed it. It's that "kids" will.

>>275372449
Three bedrooms btw

>>275373742
To be fair, before I reread the page after posting, I thought that was the size of the entire apartment.
So I wasn't sure if people were actually calling that huge, but yeah it makes sense with just the living room being that big.

>>275358535
>BB Kenichi wasn't a gag manga
I'm still struggling to understand what exactly it was, if not a gag manga.
Was Takahama actually trying to publish a serious story about a young entrepreneur in WSJ?

>>275361165
To be fair, that's not an inaccurate depiction of teenagers.

>>275364837
That's the main thing that's frustrated me about them for a while.
They have two goals, and those goals are somewhat conflicting, but not only do they utterly fail to see that, but none of the adults around them whose job it is to make manga sell see it either.
If they were either purely passionate or purely pragmatic about the pursuit of manga, it wouldn't bug me so much.

>>275368385
With Phineas and Ferb, it being repetitive was part of the joke.
But does that kind of self-aware meta humor appeal to Japs the way it does to westoids?

>>275370412
They could probably give him a makeover if needed. Hell the inventor angle makes a kamen rider tech based transformation more reasonable. Though the stupid heart hair being one of the defining features seems like a big constraint.

>>275364791
Tanto's art might have been easy, but they make a point of how hard writing it was for Takagi, for whom comedy doesn't come naturally.

>>275359130
>You should give the characters catchphrases. Like, for example, the grandpa could say "wubba lubba dub dub".

>>275374695
To be fair, they've never been very clear with Miura what their actual goals are. They just whine about rankings and self-deprecate in a lot of their conversations, then walk away blaming Miura for most of their problems.

>>275374933
>haha, and what if the grandson was always saying "Aw geez"

>>275359214
Thank you for posting.

>>275364583
no shit. its a little extreme though

>>275374887
Kinnikuman managed to become an iconic shonen protag with a pig face, it could work with the right sensitivity.

>>275358535
Honestly BB Kenichi was basically the same kind of humor they go with for PCP.
It's kind of interesting when you think of it like that, Takahama is basically a non-edgy Ashirogi in terms of the kind of manga he writes. Both his series are non-mainstream and neither are battle-manga in the traditional sense of having actual fights. He was convinced Kenichi wasn't a comedy and his Ace Attorny parody later would be the same kind of humor.
I just think Kenichi was a very middling concept of a story and it was inevitable axebait and that's the reason it flopped not that "Shitty Miura ruined it by making it too gag-focused!" like they all push. At this point of the plot they really want to blame Miura for everything, even though he didn't exactly do anything wrong. Honestly the only thing you can actually fault Miura for is insist on them doing a comedy as a new story when they don't want to and it's not like they actually fail at it they just are stubborn and want a big hit.

>>275374882
if you really dumb it down Kochikame was basically Japanese ed, edd and eddy. With a cop scamming the money to try to get rich instead of buy jawbreakers

>>275364819
Do not put your dick into menhera 'tism pussy.
It's not worth it.

>>275364620
>rather than aiming for a series 10/10 might vote for
>aim for a series that 2/10 absolutely will vote for
Wasn't that even a quote straight out of godsavior Hattori's mouth? Aim for niche's?
Miura's absolutely not wrong in his approach. Ashirogi is just utterly shit at communicating what they want, because they don't fucking know what they want.

>>275377795
It's not a bad advice, but still not something Mashiro and Takagi want, as they want to compete with Eiji for the #1 spot and at the end of the day, no matter the cult status, will not get #1 during its runtime.
Deathnote wasn't a hit because it hit that 2/10, but because it showed mainstream teenagers that there are stories they might like that are not simple battle manga. It's like marketing in advertising "Customers don't know what they want"

>>275377826
I'd also point out that they panicked when Trap was struggling but sticking to their guns eventually showed audiences there was a good detective manga in Jump. The niche targeting approach was crucial at the start to get them started and build experience around their strengths and Hattori made it clear they couldn't compete with Nizuma with a mainstream battle shonen at their level.

>>275377723
I like how Takahama ends up being a strong successor to Ashirogi Muto. Makes sense with how long he's worked with them.

>>275374882
Depends on the series. Jump has at least one meta humor manga in the mag at all times. For the last few years, that one was Roboco. Previous gens had Isobee or Gintama

>>275374524
Just a more shounen Trillion Game

>>275375221
>And what if we incorporated an overarching plot, but were openly butthurt about the fact that our fans are invested in the plot haha.