The future winner of the grail war is in this picture.
I don't know who the winner is going to be but the loser is definitely the audience.
this bread will be butter
>>286644486id say its the people who were living in the buildings that berserker nuked personally.
>>286644438Indeed.Unfortunately, Sigma is the only one who can see Watcher's shadows.
>>286645377>Sorry. Not convinced. Nobody is trying to convince you. You are a Gilfag, you are delusional by default. I'm sure anyone countering your bullshit does it just to keep the record straight rather can convince you of anything.>One step away doesn't actually refer to immediate actions either by the way. >It factors in PHASESPhase as in the next move and it's over.>and a phase can incur any number of actionsThat would be several steps away LMAO.>You've only disputed factsYou are the one disputing that Gilgamesh was doing to intercept Nine Lives and nothing more, that's the fact lmao.And I'm not sure what you think you are accomplishing by spamming "You lost" in every post. Is this a sad attempt to convince yourself that you aren't wrong?
>>286644438Unironically true. Reminder the entire reason Zelretch had to retroactively insert Ayaka into the FSF timeline is because ORT would have woken up, meaning Jester originally won.
>>286645395>the object is alcidesIf your disregard the context.>and if you applied it to enemy weaponry, the very definition would demand that it applies wholesale to every ability Alcides has LMAO USA loses one ship and it's over USAbros we lost every weapon in our arsenal.
>>286644438>ASSASSIN class>Ever winning anythingAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA
>>286645551>You are a Gilfag>Tells people not to boogeyman, then does exactly that.Whatever you say, lmao>Phase as in the next move and it's over.Nope. You don't understand Japanese. You don't understand English either.A phase is a sequence. It does not affirm the number of actions that goes into it"One step away" does not literally mean one action away. It is a term to describe an event that is "close" to happening. Which could be one or two shots or 5. Either would fit because "very close" is relative, you utter retard.Relative to what, your idiot brain might ask? To Alcides' gauntlet. It's hilarious because I know you didn't read the text. The text does not start with Alcides vs Gilgamesh. It summarizes Alcides' entire battle with the police and Flat, ending with him getting poisoned by hydra venom. Then it shifts to Gilgamesh.It is after all this that he would be one step away from defeat. Your stupid ass thought it was in relation to a single attack, when it's just saying that Alcides was finally on the verge of losing, had Ishtar not interrupted. THAT is the context You lost. Goodbye, Jetfag
>>286645551>Phase as in the next move and it's over.Huh? Marvel Cinema had several phases for the MCU. Those phases had multiple movies within each. If you think a phase is just one thing, anon, I think you might need to go back to school.
Putting aside this autism, I thought Alcides' JP voice actor, whoever he is, sounded pretty good this episode. His previous delivery was kinda weak to me, but this episode was great.
>>286645707>muh boogeymanIt's been exactly 12 hours since the last time any mention of Lancelot aside from yours have been made.>You don't understand JapaneseSays the one who didn't know defeat had different meanings for different contexts.>proceeds to post a wall of nothingThe context is Volume 5 which you clearly did not read btw.>GoodbyeI accept your concession since it was very clear you had no argument like 2 hours ago. You should have spared yourself the public humilliation. Don't come back or it will happen again.
>0 substance post>d-don't come back.
>>286645707>It is after all this that he would be one step away from defeat.That is literally not what the text said. The part about defeat was about Gilgamesh vs Alcides, not the Alcides gauntlet lmao.
>>286645913Weren't you leaving?
>>286645930Whatever you say, man. Idk why you're still pretending. We're done here.
>>286645944I said our argument was done and you lost. I stand by that. Unlike your autistic self, I know better than to shit up a new thread with this. I just wanted to lay down the facts.Now continue to seethe and make mass replies to my post because this (for some reason) hurts you so much. I hope I live rent free in your head for the next 24 hours at least.
>>286645950You have said twice now that you are done but you are still here. Seems like you just gave up because you know you are wrong.
>>286645972>I said our argument was doneYou literally said goodbye lol.
>p-please keep replying to methis is getting weird.
Is Zealot one of the best direct combat orientated Assassins (despite that isn't what they're meant to do)?
>>286646014She is one of the better ones but assassins of her caliber are not meant to be so. Also, some Hassans might beat her. They are masters of their craft while she's a spammer of many. Jack of all trades vs master of none. An assassin who has bad compatibility with her techniques or such would lose to her. In a direct fight, expect that she's more lethal than Cursed Arm.
>>286646081That shit about the Zero 32 NPs line being a mistranslation must have really hurt them to be this mindbroken.
>"You fools, pour water over yourself and reflect on your actions! If you were fooling around in a bedroom, it would be a secret, but this is a hot spring! It's a place for pure and proper interaction between men and women!">"In the first place, you can only see your bride's naked body after you have properly been married! Without Ayaka's permission, this King of Heroes will not allow this wall to be destroyed!"Who the fuck is this guy?Does Proto Ayaka have some sort of brainwashing power that can turn any asshole into a gentleman?
>>286646014On paper she should be, but what you need to understand is that Narita is a cuck.I'm being perfectly serious. He has this mentality that his characters shouldn't be better from characters of other works. He was spazzing about Enkidu having better stats than karna and heracles, even though Karna's stats are genuinely average or somewhat above average. Just recently, he spazzed about Richard not being faster than Achilles.Most other authors don't bother with this. It's not relevant to their story so they won't dehype their own cast this way. Narita, on the other, hand has fanboy mentality, and it makes no sense for Strange Fake which was meant to be a spiralling out of control war that had oddities you wont find elsewhere.Again, Zealot should be one of the strongest assassins on paper, but if you asked Narita he'd give you contradictory bullshit. Just what you'd expect of someone who thinks Ronnie (reality warping ancient alchemy demon who can even stop time) is equal to Shizuo and Claire (two semi-strong superhumans who can lift cars) or some shit.
>>286646243Fate Prototype is some of the most boring shit in type moon. If you think apocrypha was bad, fragments will put you to sleep, and it wont be adaptations' fault. Proto is just Ayaka being a personality-less shoujo protagonist charming princes and bad boy kings with her cardboard characterization. Fake Ayaka unironically has way more personality and sass.
>>286646243Wasnt gil raping women on the daily? what is he blabbing about?
>>286646336He wanted to monopolize Ayaka's virginity
>>286646250>Most other authors don't bother with thisIt's usually the reverse.For example, Higashide hypes Siegfried as being a really good match against Artoria, has Mandricardo with a better but more limited KoO, and then says Charlie's NP can't be replicated by Heracles and Musashi.Sakurai needs no mention.Narita would have an ulcer, saying what these guys do.
>>286646250It's not about being a cuck it's about keeping things consistent. Achilles is the fastest Servant on foot, Richard cannot be faster than him on foot. He can at best match him. Alcides is one of the strongest Servants we have seen and his Ishtar is outright superior to Rin Ishtar. Narita has gone in fact as far as shitting all over old characters by making statements such as God Hand losing all 12 lives to Hydra poison or that Archer Herk would fight reckless like Berserker Herk does because of God Hand.
>>286646407It must be some sort of impostor syndrome. "It's not cool when I do it" or some such.
>>286646407>MandricardoIsn't he more like a Richard with everything he touches turning into Durandal?
>>286646431>Achilles is the fastest Servant on foot, Richard cannot be faster than him on footIf you read FSN, you'd know that fastest servants aren't binary. There are different types of speed, even when it comes to running speed. Cu is the fastest, but Medusa is faster under some conditions. But this isn't even that. Why make the comparison at all? Anime viewers have no reason to think Richard is allat because they can't see his stats. This would only be something source readers or those interested in the source would know, and they would see that EX means Richard is just getting faster. Why go out of your way to mention it? When other servants are given A++ AGI, which is not just running speed again, those authors don't go out of their way to tell you that Achilles is totally faster. It is not contextually relevant. > his Ishtar is outright superior to Rin Ishtar. Actually debatable. Rin Ishtar doesn't have MoB but she has done crazier things with authority than Filia has.> such as God Hand losing all 12 lives to Hydra poison or that Archer Herk would fight reckless like Berserker Herk does because of God Hand.Sure. Then he said Archer Herc can replicate all of Alk's hoops just with divinity.
>>286646442I wasn't making arbitrary comparisons. Mandricardo's materials literally compared him to Lancelot and said his shit was stronger in terms of power retention.>>286646440I find it said in a way. This goes hand in hand with how Nasu keeps telling Narita to do his own thing and gives him free reign, but a lot of the time Narita still wants to keep in line with other TM boundaries.
>>286646442It is, he's probably referring to Mandicardo's profile saying that it is superior to KoO in the sense that all his weapons will have Durandal attack potency. But it's explicitly in that sense only. It has lower durability, less varierty and in the case of stronger NPs it's just going to downrank them.
>>286646524Narita is just way too much of a Nasu fanboy
>>286646442Reminder that Richard doesn't actually turn everything/anything into Excalibur, he lets any weapon (with a broad definition on what counts as a weapon) exhibit the qualities of Excalibur. Difference being that the durability, sharpness, and any other physical qualities of the weapon don't change they just gain the ability to fire off blasts of magical energy which usually also destroys the weapon unless it's also a NP like the ones he stole from Gil.
>>286646524>power retentionThat's not the word I'd use. More like most available power at hand. Considering canonically Lancelot is just going around with a pole, Mandicardo's A ranked pole is far beyond Lancelot's D ranked pole. It's far worse if Lancelot is provided by his Master or steals more powerful things like guns/vehicles/Mystic Codes/NPs ranked higher than A, or if it's going to be used as defense, since Mandri's stuff doesn't get any boost in durability. I'd figure if he tried using a pole to block an attack rather than parry, he'd get split in two like hot knife through butter.
I pray a Ruler comes and finish this HGW
>>286646748I'd rather the timeline just gets pruned, the world is already completely fucked up
>>286646563that or he lacks confidence in himself. which is strange because baccano is probably the best LN series ever made
>>286646014Yes, Zealot is the best
>>286646960>Prune Timeline>It refuses to die and the grail automatically uses a wish to invade another timeline>Fake 2 has double the Prelati
>>286603217>winning 12 fights no matter what (Proto Herc)How do you beat this?
>ayaka and Shiki didn't make the cutowari da
>>286647307Send 12 mooks.Dude's np would effectively counter Herc's.
>>286647329ALELELELELELELELEIIIIIIIDUDE
>>286647307Just don't die and you'll beat him in the 13th
>>286647314>protag of a scrapped concept (Proto)>protag of a non-Fate workWhy would they?
>>286639383>Despite being both a magus and a demon pillar Lev chose bombsLev also blew up Paisen. Faldeus probably also could if he had the right materials. The problem to a plan like that is Thia.
>>286647307Just parry it
>>286647314Guda has actual Hakuno but not actual Shirou
>>286645809I liked his Naino Raivsu
This show isn't doing a good job explaining the mechanics of Ishtar. Like did the Holy Grail even summon her or is she a real goddess?No, I'm not playing some deranged gacha game
>>286648260She's not a servant
>>286647606Man Herk is really the punching bag of Fate
>>286648260She manifested due to a blessing/curse she placed on the world. If Enkidu and Gilgamesh were ever to meet again she would manifested into the world. So no she isn't a Servant but rather a spirit possessing a body.
>>286648260She's just being a bitch, because gil would rather fuck a clay doll (male) than her.
I plan on getting into Fate somewhere in the near futureWill I spoil myself by coming into the Fate/Strange Fake threads?
>>286648578She should have been a Saberface then if she wanted to have his attention.
>>286648563>If Enkidu and Gilgamesh were ever to meet again she would manifested into the world.Why?It's not like Guinevere would suddenly appear when Saber and Lancelot met again.Or Heracles suddenly appeared because Achilles met Chiron.
>>286648631She's a huge whore.Saber was a repressed virgin.
>>286648563Why didn't other gods create backups like that?
>>286648622Yeah definitely most people here have either read the LNs or pretend they have read the LNs
>>286648642Because she's MAD.
>>286648642Because she sets her alarm clock for that
>>286645809He has been doing Herc for twenty years. It's about time he got to flex and deliver lines other than "Raaah"
>>286648260Idk maybe it'll explain it in the next three episodes.
>>286648653They did. Specifically the Aztec Gods for some reason
>>286648642That has nothing to do with with legends, mythology or anything like that. She was just seething so hard that she made back up plans to fuck over Gil and Enkidu if they were ever to meet again. Pure seething from a spoiled princess throwing a tantrum is what this whole thing is.>>286648653Who says they haven't? Lots of gods probably did something similar it's just that their conditions haven't been fulfilled yet.
>>286648661I don’t even bother pretending to have read the LNs.
>>286648653Because the gacha is the designated place for all of nasu's scifi ideas like gods being alien bacteria and robots not mainline. HGW stories are supposed to be accessible newcomers.
>>286648642>Guinevere would suddenly appear when Saber and Lancelot met again.That we know of. Siegfried is revealed to have a hidden curse no one knows about >If Siegfried is summoned, Fafnir is inevitably summoned >A week or month later after Siegfried has been summoned, the Nibelungen automatically summons itself to the land where Siegfried was summoned, automatically attach itself to a leyline and starts summoning shadow servants to protect itself as a result of an unclaimed treasure curse
>casuals are only just realising that mahoyo, tsukihime and fate are in the same universe
>>286648942>I don't know... leonine?FTFY
>>286649828I don't see wedding ringsThis is why you're a failure
>>286650028They wouldn't be seen with that hand placement
>>286648260>>286648563would she have appeared if there wasn't a body to possess?
>>286650138She probably would've ended up possessing Rin if Philia wasn't a better target.
Why is a city a servant in FGO? Not that I disapprove, she is one of the better design
>>286650138>would she have appeared if there wasn't a body to possess?The TypeMoon lore says that due to the sheer quantity of people on Earth in modern times, you can always find someone somewhere who is close enough to you in personality that can be your vessel, However, that person you possess might not be anywhere close to the destination you are travelling to. So unless you have powers that let you teleport, you would end up having to hichhike or just walk your way to your goal.
>>286650183She's an Elemental that lived in the five lakes of Tenochtitlan. She decided to ally with humanity under the name of the city because she loved the people there as they loved her.
>>286650200That's not as weird as I thought it would be.
>>286648653>he doesn’t know
>>286650233What does being a Roman Catholic has to do with it?
>>286650312catholics canonically don't believe in that evangelical nonsense, at least not in any literal sense. meanwhile there's a protestant cult in washington called The Family that acts as political gatekeepers who support those with an accelerationist view of end times, that humans can, should, and must carry out certain actions in order to end the world faster so that jesus gets here sooner and genocide all their enemies.
>>286648563Is this just a copy of herself on the moment she placed the curse, or is this a genuine incarnation of Ishtar herself? Bit confused because Ive seen people said that the real Ishtar had made up with Gil after he built a big temple for her.
>>286645809Such a shame that he had to voice an abomination like AlcidesI want to see wakuwaku fightfag Archer Herc that was teased
So this cour is definitely ending on Banquet of the Kings and Richard's wish, right?
>>286650809With 3 more episodes in stock, I think it's going to go all the way through volume 6. Ending with Flat's headshot and Thia's birth, and possibly with El-Melloi Classroom aura farming as a post-credits scene. Yes, yes, it's obnoxious, but it fits the pattern well.
>>286650868No it doesn’t?Like at most I think we’ll get to hear Rin’s voice but what you’re saying makes no sense
>>286646748Ruler Artoria/Logres with Avalon and Rhongo would solo this entire war
>>286646014no. What's the point of having 17 NPs that all do the same thing where you can have one that does it better? Her stealth is shit, her approach to combat is shit and her NPs are, all in all, mediocre Compare her to actual combat assassin such as Li Shuwein who can actually fight and one shoot servants.
>>286650546This is how you groom, fellas
>>286651182Anon, how the fuck does it not fit a season cliffhanger to have a bunch of ""hype"" characters standing around muttering about what's to come? Are you new to this?
>>286650868>Two of the girls in the class fell in love with a dark skinned dropoutWhat is Type Moon trying to say?
I wish Prelati showed Richard Fate route tooIf he already creamed his pants at Zero, he would come nonstop at Fate route and Last Episodehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFODdeJWTM
>>286646014Ancient Egypt were close to making the Hassans become extinct so it is canon that Hassans are terrible at facing proper armies.
>>286651400he would cum alright
>>286645551I can't believe guys are still discussing meaning of "interception" and other words. Can we go back to talking about events that HAPPENED, instead of "if this guy did X or had Y, then he'd defeat every Servant lmao" while the story never shows them doing so. Let's concentrate on facts, not "what ifs". Gil has been shot, gate was shut down in the worst moment. That's what happened. Gil jobbed, it couldn't be helped.
>>286651462>Richard get to see all of his idol's h-scenes, including Hollow AtaraxiaHow would he react?
>>286648653Story telling convenienceNarita is a terrible author
>>286651587If even Banquet of the Kings couldn't shake his Seiba fanaticism, nothing could
>>286649515I think casuals don't know what Tsukihime and Mahoyo are.
>>286649515But they aren't?
>>286644438I'm short, can I have a zealot wife?
>>286644438Did loli jack already happen?
>>286651462Gilbrosisters... I thought OUR HERO had the right to prima noctis Saber, not that Rin-faced Tohsaka whore...
>>286644438Wrong picture, sorry
>>286649515They sort of were. Up to a point where human history diverged. It's a necessary change that Nasu made, otherwise it would be way too much of a conflicting mindfuck to make it work. There are two lines, one where vampiric progeny of Crimson Moon dominates human history is the Tsukihime world. It's interesting that Zelretch exists in both Tsukihime and Fate. He's clearly mentioned in both works. It's explained away that his current ownership of Second True Magic makes it possible to exist in multiple timelines. We saw him in FSF animu as well.
>>286651965If anything she's the only one that is going to die. There can't be 2 ayakas running around the world.
>>286652059Zelretch is a vampire in Tsuki and a human in Fate.
>>286652086>If anything she's the only one that is going to die. There can't be 2 ayakas running around the world.She can't die, she is the ticket to keep multiple Heroic Spirits around after the the war ends. At the very least Zealots can only live happily ever after with Sigma with her help.
>>286652002Alcides propaganda artIn the novel, Alcides couldn't do shit when God Herc appeared before him
>>286652086 #>There can't be 2 ayakas running around the world.There sure can be. NotAyaka will be a fine addition to go with NotEnkidu and NotSolomon.Though I think it's likely that she will lose her powers as maintaining the status quo is the top agenda of most fantasy series. No way will they let her open up a new mini chaldea. And a lot of masters will go to CT
>>286652299Alcides is there to job even harder than Gil. At least Gil gets to make a big comeback, while Fagcides is DONE and will be genoalcided by NORMAL HUMANS.
>>286652112Servants almost always disappear at the end of hgw. That's what makes it bittersweet. Masters tend to go to the clocktower, but servants are temporary
>>286652388You say it like that would be something he hatedIn the LN, Alcides was quite accepting when John stabbed, saying it would be fine if a human like John killed him.But with the way things are going in LN, Hippo is going to kill him before any human does
>>286652299I mean, he's not doing anything in itHe's just standing
>>286652424I think he would seethe if New Gil killed him, since he is basically what Alcides wanted to be.
>>286652404Unless you are Rin and wish to have a treesome with your boyfriend and Saber in that one ubw ending
I kinda wish Nasu had stuck to male Arthur instead of Seiba in the original FSN. I like the cool charcter designs more than waifus
>>286652504>UBW = Unlimited Bisexual Wenches
>>286652086As of the end of volume 9, she simply discards the Ayaka identity and calls herself Red Riding Hood now.
>>286652454Alcides wanted to be a robot?
>>286652640Alterego Gil isn't a robot, he's just an absolute prick.
>>286652610Too bad Sakura has Arthur now and probably won't do anything even during beast hunting.
>>286652610I like cool characters too but Arthur is the most bland looking husbando.
>>286652610I don’t, Seibah is way cooler than that fag
>>286652610Artoria's character design is super cool. I love her heavily plated left gauntlet, it's like she's compensating for her lack of a shield.
>>286652686>Too bad Sakura has Arthur nowBruh, what?
>>286652388>At least Gil gets to make a big comebackArcher Gil which is the Gilgamesh you faggots love is officially gone from the war lmao. He jobbed like the bitch he is and that's it. This new Alter Ego Gil is a completely.new character that might actually be a good character unlike the King of Ands, Ifs and Buts.
>>286652760He forgot a letter. Sakurai. Hikaru Sakurai. The author.
>>286652760*SakuraiGoddamn
Solos FSF
>>286652504Rin discovers her latent ability, a Reality Marble to match Shirou's - Unlimited Cock Works, calling upon her internal whore to imprint Reality around her. In it, men of all ages and build, of all skin colors, endowed with massive cocks, present their willing dicks to Rin. A Gangbang, miracle bordering on True Magic, is then unleashed. Untold, metric tons of cock fill Rin's every hole, fuck every inch of her Whore Body. A sight that would make even the most Endowed Servants, doubt their sexual prowess. Truly, there is not a whore in the World greater than Rin Tohsaka. The Memory of Her Father, stands recreated in her Reality Marble - the Lone Watcher whose only purpose is to perceive the Gangbang, to record the Events as they happen, never allowed to Join in. Shirou doesn't join the hundreds of thousands of Men in violating His girlfriend, as his Japanese Penis is Rank E, while only Penises ranked A and Higher can join. Therefore, he is Fucked by superior, A++ Rank Fuckers.
>>286652793>Hikaru Sakurai. The author.Oh. RIP Arthur.
>>286652856>Unlimited Cock Works>Not Unlimited Bisexual Whores
>>286651462Would've made his meeting with the classroom more interesting
>>286652686>peaked with OC2 and quit
>>286652775Good, Archer Gil is always better off dead. He's a conceptual jobber that will always lose when he cannot afford to, due to his arrogance stopping him from using clairvoyance properly. His robotized, dickless body can finally be useful.
>>286653060Yeah Alter Ego Gil might actually be a fun character. We gotta wait to see more though.
Why didn't they show Francesca laughing her ass off at the death of Giljob?
>>286648967>If Siegfried is summoned, Fafnir is inevitably summonedThis would actually explain all the chain summon things in FGO singularities
Ishtar's affection is addictive and deadly...
>>286652797Why are they so cute, bros
>>286654047because you are spiritually a woman
>>286652404>Servants almost always disappear at the end of hgwWere a single volume away from the ending and a grand total of ONE servant has disappeared.Unless narita for the first time ever goes full bloodbath I kind of feel like everyones sticking around
>>286652775>IT DOESNT COUNT Gil is gil
>>286654207Narita outright said that Alcides was meant to die in Vol 9 but he thought it'd be more fun for most deaths to be in Vol 10
>>286654508Source?
>>286654508Narita lies as he breathes.Just like the final volume of Baccano would have been 3 volumes ago or that the next one weve been waiting 10 years for is SOON
Reading last thread, I legit have no idea how Gilfags can keep trying to antagonize "Jetfag" when the one line they had in their favor to argue Gilgamesh would win that fight was a confirmed mistranslation. I myself in their shoes would try to memory hole the fact that we ever had a beef in the first place rather than to keep bringing up Lancelot when there's like 10 quotes that say Berserker would win that fight and 0 in favor of Gilgamesh. Just let that shit go bro.
>>286653440Hassan's victim
I just finished Fate/Extra. It was Nasukino.How's the anime adaptation?
>>286644438Sex with Phillia.
>>286654620I don't get what that pic is trying to say
>>286653440Gil's victim
>>286654594Gil would win if he took it seriously but he would not take it seriously. It's simple Fate dynamics.
>>286651228Yet Shirou and Gil having gorillions of np is so much better than other poorfag Servants.
>>286654594>HE WOULD WIN>HE JUST DIDN'T k keep us posted
If Gil really is dead than we officially jumped the shark.
>>286654639Dude loves Ishtar, but runs away in fear of getting drained to death when she wants to take him.
>>286654594>he's still going
>>286654775How have you avoided spoilers this long?
>>286654685Gil was gonna lose according to the entire Zero novel bro, 10 yeah maybe not but there's like 3-4 mentions in the novel that say Gil was cooked. The one I posted is one of them. Maybe if he used Ea yeah but he ain't doing that, he was dead as shit if Tokiomi had not recalled him with that CS.>>286654756>saved by a CS from his MasterI mean he would have survived Ishtar too if Tine was half as smart as Tokiomi and just ordered a recall as well. The novel says so, Tine trusted too much in Gilgamesh and he ended jobbing. Hilariously, Tokiomi did not blindly trust Gil and it just happens to be the one war he survived. But since Gil is a fucking retard he set up the death of the guy who saved his ass and the proceeded to die 10 years later because there was no one to keep his stupidity in check.
>>286644438What is wrong with Zealot's feet?
>>286652610Saber is what originally made the franchise iconic though. Without her fate would be unrecognizable
>>286652610Absolutely not.Artoria's design is timeless, and female king arthur has a good hook.Arthur is also the worse character.
>>286654837so what's her reaction?
>>286655578Rape.
>>286654612wyell...
>>286652775You can stop projecting your obsession with my king. I, a Gilfag, love all his forms, and a win for Gilgamesh is a win for Gilgamesh.
>>286654612The one time where source material readers and animeonlies were equal in not understanding whatever the fuck was going on
Any Ciel yet?
>>286654499>>286655971I find it interesting the dissonance between how Herkfags and Gilfags react to their favorite being portrayed as a different character. While Herkfags loathe Alcides despite winning and winning, because he just happens to be different than Herakles, Gilfags embrace Alter Ego Gil despite de differences from Archer Gil.Why is that?
>>286655655>Rapeperfect
الزبانية
>>286645867>pulls out EN text instead of Japanese textEmbarassing.
>>286656049>Alcides despite winning and winning
>>286656084Alcides hasn't lost a single fight in Strange Fake though? His fights against Gilgamesh and Jack both ended in victories, and he also beat Gugalanna. Kayneth however didn't win a single encounter in Zero.
>>286645972He really is delusional. Dude keeps projecting about samefagging and making shit up.
>>286656152>lost to Ishtar>lost to John
>he started responding to his own post again
>>286656230Are you still talking about yourself in third person again?
>>286656034Vol 10
>>286656212When did he lose to Ishtar?>JohnThis dude?
>>286656230Aren't you the ones who keep telling people not to mistake you for Jetfag? How do you even know those are the same people?
>>286654101Say it ain’t so
>>286656049Herkfags are strange to me, desu. Alcides has one good for his reputation, but he's also really boring. Herkfags might dislike that he replaced Heracles but there's no guarantee that the real Heracles wouldn't also be boring.I guess the difference is that Gilfags have seen Archer time and again, so a new Gil is refreshing. But Herkfags have been denied a sane version time and again. I think the extent to which they hate Alcides feels overblown.
>>286656493No? What are you even talking about?
ZABANIYAH
>>286656545>Herkfags might dislike that he replaced Heracles but there's no guarantee that the real Heracles wouldn't also be boring.I mean in terms of combat he's 100% gonna be more boring. It's just Alcides that can die 12 times. There ain't much room for much else just Nine Lives Spam and deaths.
>>286651965Someone needs to edit that so it's her middle finger sticking up
>>286656741True. Alcides has enough abilities to keep his fights fresh
>>286656361>>286656034Ciel will show up to solo Alcides after he turns into a Demon.
>>286646050Funnily enough he could probably beat her. She's much easier to read than she thinks, always going straight for the target rather than using deception or tactics.
>>286656937I wonder if Nasu would give Narita permission to use Ciel if he were to ask him.
when is tine wearing the native american traditonal outfits and no underwear
>>286656962being fair, cursed arm also falls against kirei for being easier to read than he thought and running against a bad matchup.
>>286656787A friend I'm watching with also had this complaint about Gilgamesh. And she likes the dude as a character, but she says his fights are boring because he just stands there, talks and spams swords. The fight he had with Lancelot on the jet fighter might actually be one of his most dynamic ones to date shown on screen, he actually moves around there. The final flash against Alcides was good but it was like one attack, and they skipped the cool part of the Richard fight where he actually used GoB in an entertaining way. I also liked the VN part where use used individual abilities but sadly it's animated by Deen.
>>286657356>The fight he had with Lancelot on the jet fighter might actually be one of his most dynamic ones to date shown on screen, he actually moves around there.This is what happens when you don't watch DEEN FSN
>>286652883>Not Unlimited Groin Works
>>286654594Holy mother of secondary. Newfags like you have no idea how this works, assuming you're not larping. Jetfag is a category of shitposter. He has multiple takes distinguished by obnoxious and repetitive posting. Shitting up threads by spontaneously bringing up Gilkek and JETS and all adjacents. Jetfag wasn't even born for liking Lancelot. He was born for hating Gilgamesh, which is why Jetfag can also latch onto Alcides. The character doesn't matter. The nature is to be anti-gilkekSo when you post like him, use his posts, focus on the same material that he does, you're gonna be called a fucking Jetfag. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and acts like a duck, people are going to call it a fucking duck. And if it isn't, it's an abomination of nature. You pick.
>>286650868>character dies>immediately resurrectsBRAVO NARITA
>>286657467I mentioned Deen though? The problem is that it's animated like shit.
>>286657538>Jetfag is a category of shitposter. He has multiple takes distinguished by obnoxious and repetitive posting. Shitting up threads by spontaneously bringing up Gilkek and JETS and all adjacents. Jetfag wasn't even born for liking Lancelot. He was born for hating Gilgamesh, which is why Jetfag can also latch onto Alcides. The character doesn't matter. The nature is to be anti-gilkekSomehow this feels like something Nasu would write about a servant's ability.
>>286652299I think that's the point of the arthis original towers over himyou should return to media literacy school
>>286657538I'm just gonna say makes you look really stupid calling others Jetfag when it's about Alcides or Shirou or whoever else though.
which masters have canonically had sex with their servants?besides Emiya Shirou>>286653358they ran out of Francesca budgetit's why she hasn't appeared in three episodes now
>>286657613Kek.>>286657669That's fine, but don't be surprised when people fucking do it. It's an anonymous board. Jetfag wasn't just 1 person. It was a type of shitposter. If you don't want to be called that, structure your arguments differently.
>>286657613>Jetfag is the beast of GilgameshOTP
>>286653437If a guy is summoned, there's like a 50% chance someone related to him will be summoned. It's like magnets.Achilles was summoned in apocrypha and magically Chiron was also summoned.
>>286657670Kind of a shame really. She liked watching Gilgamesh seethe, I figured she would have a stroke from watching him actually die, and first out of the whole war to make it worse.
I hate how literally everything in modern Nasu is about BEAMS. Every single Servant's endgame is using beams in some fashion or another, it's so uninventive. Even Galahad, the fucking Knight of the Holy Shield, supposed to be a defensive Servant, has a fucking shield beam NP because Nasu thought it would be hilarious if the ultimate defense guy actually had an NP of downright rude offensive power.This is a fucking beam and mecha franchise in disguise now and I hate it. Can we go back to the time when ultimate attacks weren't all kamehamehas under different skins?
>>286657884The strongest attacks in F:SN were literally just beams
>>286657920Cu, Emiya, Gorgon, Medea and Herk did fine without stupid beams. There used to be more variety. FGO is a beamfest.
>>286657884Counterargument: Beams are fucking cool.
>>286657884The best abilities are left to be words only. I'd love to see Achilles Kosmos being used to crush an opponent with the weight of a Planet like the materials say it could. I really, REALLY enjoyed Natural Born Killers From Hell animated, it was glorious.
King Pellinore in a Grail War when?>Uberchad that may or may not have been a member of the round table but some of his sons were>Beat Arthur in a Joust and shattered Caliburn prompting Arthur to get Excalibur>On a lifelong quest to hunt an incrompehensible beast that could easily get summoned via his NP as an extra entity in the war attacking everyone and disappearing when cornered.
>>286658074Is this another OC like Lancelot and Galahad?
>>286658182Nah one of the originals, sometimes Caliburn shatters on it's own because he's a good dude that Arthur tries to strike down in anger after the duel ends and in others he bodies Arthur during a joust and breaks Caliburn during a swordfight because he's in his prime and Merlin has to use magic to save Arthur from a whooping. Mostly he's known for being Percival's dad and spending his entire life trying to hunt down some terrible livestock eating monster.
>>286647606He's not guaranteed to lose after the 12.
>>286658074All the round table are mentioned and explored a bit in FGOhttps://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Knights_of_the_Round_TableGayest thing they ever did was have Arthuria be the one to kill the Questing Beast(they pretty much retconned her into defeating all monsters solo in the end) instead of having Palmedes do it when it's like his ONLY thing he hadArthuria is a shitter who steals literally everything her knights have just to give herself 0.02% more hype
>>286656545He wasn't boring as a near-mindless Berserker because he still had character that shone through in pivotal moments.
>>286658804Which is funny because Arthurian mythos it's the other way around. Each Knight has some story of them besting Arthur in something to show off how great they are.
>>286658345Secondaries (like Nasu) think "wow Arthur is the strongest knight ever times a billion probably", then you read the legends and there's just a shit ton of random guys that could easily shit all over the KotR easily They introduce new knights constantly that can take three or four KotR in battle Arthur himself was never that strong ironically
>>286657962>Cudid not do fine at all>EmiyaStrongest weapon is a beam>GorgonWas never in F/SN and Medusa's Bellerephon is basically a beam>MedeaWas wanked to high heaven for being able to mimic True Magic in her domain and shoot (wait for it) beams>HercLmao
Why are they so different?
>COULDN'T BETARY YOU IF I TRIED
>>286659165Those jojo llamas would probably kill most of the strange fake servants
>>286658804>Gayest thing they ever did was have Arthuria be the one to kill the Questing BeastThis in itself has probably been retconned by now. Percival's whole original character and story too, since FGO reveals he doesn't die like GoA claims and his personality is completely different from the one Nasu relayed to Sakurai and you saw in Fragments. Old Camelot lore that's not reconfirmed by contemporary stuff like FGO can be mostly disregarded until it's brought up again.
>>286657670all of themyes even that one
>>286659165Those Lahmu would beat the entire SF cast lol
>>286659541Gil, Enkidu, Thia and Gugalanna are among the SF cast so no they wouldn't
>>286659541They'd kill Richard, Sigma, Hippo, Spooky (he could take down one with his death), Dumas and the cops, Wednesday, Jack for sure. Pale Rider would probably just ignore them.Alcides, Gil, Enkidu, Huwawawa, Ishtar, and Thia would probably be able to kill them all.
>>286659541>>286659628Those Lahmu are divine spirit tier, Gil and Enkidu would probably job too, Kingu jobs to lesser Lahmu and he's a Grail powered Enkidu. Alcides couldn't deal with Ishtar either so he would probably job too.
>>286659707You have such a poor understanding of powerlevels and it's tragic...
>>286659707Top tier heroes are divine spirit tierAlcides without using NPs was already confirmed to be on that level in ep 9
>>286656152>Kayneth is supposed to be one of the strongest mages >gets raped by Kerry's BULLET Ohnononononononononono
>>286659609>>286659707If I remember correctly, one of those Lahmu launched an attack against Gilgamesh Archer, hurting him too.
>>286659874Not counting Gugalanna, FGO Ishtar is stronger than SF Ishtar and Alcides couldn't even scratch her. Maybe they could deal with one Lahmu but not multiple like Ishtar was fighting there.
>>286659874>Alcides without using NPsServants are assumed to have NPs. And Divine Spirits have their own NPs too, or equivalent and greater abilities (Authorities).
Am I supposed to replay Fate Extra with the other two servants or can I move on to CCC?
>>286660098>FGO Ishtar is stronger than SF IshtarFSF Ishtar has MoB which allows her to manipulate the world itself to a degree, something she uses both offensively and defensively. Rin is pretty shit compared to that.
>>286660228Depends on how much you like those servants
>>286660263I have no idea about anything related to the red Saber other than her true name.
>>286658890Nasu at this point is a tertiary. There's so much shit inserted by others which he simply signed under, that he doesn't even know what's fully going on.
>>286659707 literally one scene later in that very anime Gilgamesh kills two of those Lahmu, Merlin kills the other. The Super Lahmu weren't that crazy.
>>286660215True.>>286660098I don't really care. We don't have a direct comparison between Philia and Ishtar, save NP ranks (where Philia is stronger). I'm just telling you that "divine spirit" doesn't mean anything. Top-tier heroes are expected to be at that level.But yes, multiple Lahmu should be able to overpower any one of them. Too bad for you, the comparison was to the entire FSF cast. The FSF cast blow the collective Lahmu to smithereens.
>>286660031In their defense, the only ones who could kill ultimate level Lahmus were Merlin and King Hassan, who were Grands.
>>286657670Shinji
you can tell that this is an older work of Narita's because there's no yurishit anywhere, he turned into a yurinigger after reading that trash Murcielago
>>286660431The Super Lahmu contained Merlin and King Hassan with about 3 of them a piece. They are very strong in the anime. However, the anime only. That's where they are divine spirit tier. In the manga and the game, they're really nothing special. They're just demon god+ level.
>>286660031It did, and he beat it with only a scratch to the forehead. That's assuming there was only 1. The Lahmu can multiply.
>>286660228You learn a lot from each of the three routesAlso whether you save Rin or Rani changes the entire endingArcher route he tells you a LOT of his backstory that wasn't talked about in FSNNero blah blahTamamo reveals a lot as well about her lifeEnable cheat codes so you can speed through the second and third play through if you want, but a lot in the game is only seen in certain routes. This is also true about CCC. Never go for the true route of CCC immediately, get the servant or normal ending first. The first servant you pick for CCC should almost be a throwaway choice
>>286660228I played with all three. It's fun, especially beating SHITki at the end. I think Archer is the most fun, Caster has definitely her moments and SHITki is the hardest for her to beat.
>>286660464F/SF is for straight men and women only
>>286660438>Too bad for you, the comparison was to the entire FSF cast.Obviously the point was multiple Lahmu vs one Servant, like Ishtar was fighting there.
>>286660608Oh, okay then yeahi think gugalanna is the only thing with the tools to beat them. not because it's stronger but the size and destructive power are too much for Lahmu, who are just stat sticks mainly.
>>286660502Also after Extra and CCC you're expected to probably read Seraphix FGO manga, just for a bit of background lore.
>You're very powerful, BUT!basically heracles' entire character
>>286660724government no mikata
>>286660805That's literally every "powerful" character in Fate
https://youtu.be/NO2HG_xHTK8?si=r6CHYiCFFSSnAxN5 (0:59)What do Lahmu taste like?
>>286651965Keikaku doori
I though stay night had no clapbait references, what the fuck is this shit?
>>286660857>Nega Genesis prevents you from using weapons by inverting the theory of evolution>"Only a weakling like the other 18 hassan would be deterred by something like that, a true hassan needs only their body to fight"
>>286660724Is this Detroitmiya background?
>>286657670The perfect woman
>>286660906You get his backstory in Ch31 ~ 34 of the mangaThere are other important details in there
>>286660849Pretty much lol
>>286660857Good thing he wasn't in the middle of a ramadan.
>>286660098Rin Ishtar got low diffed by Cu Alter NP in the Seraph Manga. Filia would just charm the spear and throw it back at Cuzilla. It's not even close.
This is what your dad taught you Shirou, this is what it means to be a hero.
>>286661003Cu Alter no diffs Rama and Karna. He’s kind of a beast
>>286661003Rintar is a pseudo servant, roughly equal to a B+ or A rank heroic spirit currently. Roughly making her equal to Elizabeth Bathony.Filla isn't a servant so she isn't held back by the normal limitations
>>286659628Natural Born Killers with From Hell would fuck the Lahmu.
>>286661030Rin is an actual goddess. She is above A rank. You’re confusing the one initially summoned as chaldea for the one in babylonia. And A rank servants are guys like Artoria and Achilles. It’s a very broad spectrum
>>286661021Rama can't hurt Filia either and Karna would only be able to use those shitty eye lasers that even Gawain can block with low effort. Also that same Cuzilla got beat high diff by Detroit EMIYA right after Rin Ishtar jobbed. He wasn't that strong.
>>286661058Real Rin Ishtar>jobbed to GilgameshFilia Ishtar>killed Gilgamesh so hard he had to become an OC donut steel with an original OC legendNot even close. Filia clears.
>>286660989Flat if he was (even more) based
>>286661104Ok
>>286660989Flat is kind of cute but I don’t see fags or women talk about him. Even sigma gets love
Fuck Zealot
>>286653319this is the first time I found philia Ishtar sexy
>>286661104I mean Fillia Ishtar didn't beat him in a fight, he just closed up GoB lol. And it was thanks to Gil throwing away the key it's not like she could do it normally.
>>286661058Pseudo servant is a hugely limiting factor, They said she was only A rank in Summer2. Where she summoned Gugulanna and our heroes once again beat it up. And in her interlude she created yet a new Gugulanna, only for us to have to kill it again. She keeps doing the same shit every appearance, its kinda no wonder she didn't take off more.She's a goddess tier servant but even in babylonia she's still a pseudo servant. A true goddess can't be summoned with the current system.Ishtar in babylonia was summoned by the priestesses of Ishtar who pulled a girl that resembled Ishtar from the future and used her as a host for Ishtar. of course this fact is glossed over a lot, and also Rintar comments that its not that she merely took over the host, its more like "rin who woke up after becoming ishtar", they're entirely fused together.Each pseudo servant has a very different relationship with their host depending on which one wants to be in charge. Look at Ereshikal who has 0% of Rin in her(and it honestly would have made way way more sense if they made her Sakura considering the backstory they were going for in babylonia with Eresh stuck in her dark basement all her life being a loser loner, and Ishtar trying to drag her to the surface, with their backstories entirely matching Sakura and Rin. Which kinda got confirmed later on when they admitted Eresh was never meant to be a Rinface, and they only did it last second because Pako made two really good designs for Ishtar and they wanted to use both somehow)
>>286654612according to some faggot on twitter who did retranslations for some TM works it's actually super deep and the community's just retarded.
>>286661238*according to Nasu’s blogpostftfy
>>286661104Gil had to get rewritten, desu. His original jobber body won't do. Maybe we can finally get a Gil that fights and fucks, instead of just spamming his gayte of bullshit and getting assraped by an angry woman. Again.
>>286661218>Ereshikal who has 0% of RinBullshit lolAlso Eresh was supposed to be a giant ghost originally not a Sakuraface. Plus they expanded her role once they decided to make her a Rinface too, originally she was an actual villain.
I don't care if Rintar is stronger than Phillia, she's still a disgrace and a waste of a potentially cool character.
>>286661142his personality is literally woman-repellant, he gives no depth or attention while interacting to other people and foids hate not being given any importancet. i'm similar and only have good male friends while women hate me bc i kinda look through them, men don't care
>>286661248>>286661270>skipped loli JackFuck this rushed ass anime
>>286661336She was there in Jack’s NO activation
>>286661218>They said she was only A rank in Summer2.that's her initial summoning under Chaldea. She explicitly grows far stronger in her interludes because she's training. By her second interlude, she can use authorities to recreate mesopotamia and restore galahad's saint graph. > Where she summoned Gugulanna and our heroes once again beat it upYour heroes couldn't even injure the leg. Quetzalcoatl had to use her authority as a venusian goddess to command it to die, because Gugalanna obeys them.>And in her interlude she created yet a new Gugulanna, only for us to have to kill it againGilgamesh, Enkidu, and Ishtar herself, against a Gugalanna who was far from his prime according to Gil. Gil, who says she is a full-fledged goddess in this same story.> its kinda no wonder she didn't take off more.I hve noticed that Ishtar fell off in popularity. I would daresay she was once the most popular FGO servant.
>>286661316>I'm a virgin chud, too cool for bitches I wish you well on your way to become a wizard.
>>286661316what about fags then?
>>286660464Narita is a yurinigger now? What the fuck man...
>>286654612It's not an adaptation, which is the whole problem. It's a sequel story. But not to the Extra we have. It's a sequel to a bad end of Extra that never got to be in the actual game.Which could be pretty cool, except nobody knew that's what it would be ahead of time and it was relegated to 13 episodes, so it was a confusing shitshow for everyone except Nasu. Good for him, but commercial anime are meant to be seen by more than one person, so it didn't really work out.
>>286661452>I would daresay she was once the most popular FGO servant.LMAO
>>286661270Oh my...
>>286661452>most popular FGO servantWas less popular than Ereshkigal in the same story she debuted
>>286661162Why are they both surprised?
>>286661492Not really Nasu’s fault they tried to fit his script into 13 episodes
>>286660464There's nothing wrong with yuri.
>>286661492>Nasu told them to animate his fanfiction, left without explaining further Quite based ngl
>>286657969Beams are cool when they're rare.
>>286661490yeah, just read dead mount death play>>286661558faggot
>There's nothing wrong with yuri.
>>286661460Been virgin for like 8 years now, so yeah i might not be going back lol ...i was born with a nice face but my autismo repels most women i met>>286661316Fags act and behave like women so its the same, theyre just more aggressive at flirting (ive been stalked before)
I got charmed desu.
>>286661270That's not how you transfer mana. It has to be pOnOs in vagOOO.
>>286661452>I would daresay she was once the most popular FGO servant.Nope.Jeanne Alter was the most popular girl by far for many years.The only servant who ever came close to (and possibly succeeded in) displacing her popularity was Morgan.
>>286661604i look like this and think like this
this and all new fate just feels like 'heres gilamesh, remember gilgamesh, remember how amazing and strong he is, well heres my super new oc that is better and can beat gilgamesh' jobber fest.
>>286661609This was for you >>286661477 my bad
>>286654612Its so bad that it made people realize maybe Nasu really is retarded deep down underneath all the bullshit, just like George Lucas, and may have destroyed all his connections with SHAFT. It was received so poorly by everyone that he put out a blog post going "Maybe you people should think over the story more" coping. Its honestly one of the worst adaptions I've seen to date.
>>286661559Gil came back from the dead to save Tine from getting Urobuchi’d
>>286661630Bro watching from the Lostbelt, considering how careful everyone has been with never allowing Gilgamesh to be defeated in a straight fight
>>286661660Nasu is so fucking retarded, he should've just let SHAFT make a schizocore Tsukihime anime instead.
>>286661720Hey bro whatever happened to the 32 NPs line from Zero?
>>286661660Didn’t SHAFT fuck the production so bad they had to delay the final 3 episodes for months?
How did Jester manage to pull off a sneak attack on Sigma (male)? Isn't his servant's entire thing that it basically knows what every servant and master is up to? It should have been impossible for Jester to get the sneak on him.
>>286661720Saber beat him in a straight fight.I know why you'd say he wasn't beaten in a straight fight by Shirou, but there's no denying that he was beaten in a straight fight by Saber.
>>286661742Arguing with the wrong person, bro.I know everyone and their mother can survives 32 NPs from Gil, ever since Shirou Saber survived 50 in Fate route
So why didn't Francesca just summon Mercurius (caster) as her servant? Is she stupid?
>>286661768Another instance of the anime rushing things. In the LN, Watcher tells him something like "boy, your second trial is about to begin" and then Jester shows up.
>>286661790except medea
>>286661819Yeah
>>286661815Makes sense, thanks. I get the impression Watch probably gave him a vague warning since he knew Zealot will react. If Sigma was under serious threat (i.e. alone) he would have told him to get the fuck out.
>>286661790>50Hundreds actually.
The hottest girls in this are the executioner dominatrix nuns and there’s like three pieces of fanart of them. I dare anyone to prove me wrong.
>>286660608Pretty insane that Merlin and Hassan were soloing multiple of these at once. That's like taking on a group of Ishtars and Ereshes, maybe even Quetzes. For once the Grands actually living up to the hype.
>>286661869Watcher is also here primarily to test Sigma with those trials, not here to have him actually win the war. If he dies, he dies.
>>286661970Ishtar was beaten by several, not just one of them, bro. The ones king hassan was fighting were the ones that Ishtar was fighting, and those guys actually blew holes through him. The Lahmu are surprisingly strong in the anime. But yeah, KH and Merlin blitzing them was crazy. The particular segment was dedicated to showing how grands were above the goddesses alliance you'd seen fight so far.
magical girl tine when
>>286644438Could I, as a normal human without any magic or a gun, beat Archer Gil?
>>286662052In Fate/Kaleid Liner Prisma Tsubaki
>>286661970>>286662018Man, I think that after seeing KH split Eresh in two in the same underworld she ruled, it was already clear what the difference was between a top servant and a Grand.
>>286661893Why would I prove you wrongChurch sluts are hot and that 3-sec gif of them changing in ep 3 was instrumental to the plot
Since you mention the Grands. At today's event at fgo, any anti-Taigong who had been doing Cope for years has just been left without arguments.CE - Grand Gathering"Master~! Over hereee!...I'm not drunk yet, I swear, I'm fine.The night's just getting started~! Mumble mumble...""Not enough booze.Bring some snacks later too.Don't hold back, Master. Feasts are part of a warrior's life.""No need to worry, we have soft drinks too.Now, now, this way please.The seat next to me is open."While taking care of Sifuxiang (Taigong's Steed), Master faced the battle of drinking at home with the Grand Servants.
>>286662256>soft drinksGuda is over 18, this is not even debatable anymore.
>>286662256He's a fake Grand just like his trashy waifu is a fake Beast
>>286662256We already knew he was in the Grand chat group for a while
>>286661761technically there was no time left in the season since it started late, but yeah
>>286662521Then they're also at fault
>>286662471Yah, but the Indrafags said that no such thing existed, and that it was just normal communication via the throne. Only because Indra has so far shown no signs of belonging to that chat like the rest of the Grands.
>>286662619But Gil and Herc aren't in that chat either.
>>286661660It COULD have been good but it was so fucking rushed they had to skip a whole ass floor and Shinji's gf to fit the story into 12 episodes. And it didn't even have a source material to fall back into like SF does.
>>286662072No
>>286662659Because Gil being a grand is not canon
>>286662672
>>286656602
>>286662659Musashi, Gil and Herk aren't canon Grands.
>>286662679I feel like I could though.Like he wouldn't use GoB on me because he wouldn't feel I'm worthy.What's he gonna do to me? If he even touches me it's beneath him so all I need to do is punch the guy.
>>286662709>>286662788But then wouldn't Indra also be non-canon for not belonging to that chat?
Cu is a grand candidate btw.
>>286662788What about Lord Logress and Indra? Are they canon grands?
>>286662841Grand Berserker
>>286662817>What's he gonna do to me?I dunno, kill you?
>>286662858Before the great duels, there were ways to recognize great canon characters. They interact with each other or mention each other even though we never saw them together in any chapter of FGO. King Hassan (Grand Assassin) in Arcade shouts “Roma!” saying that this is something Romulus=Quirinus (Grand Lancer) would say, Tezca (Grand Berserker) states in LB7 that Noah's (Grand Rider) ship would be unable to be knocked down by a blow from Kukulkan. This was before Noah was even summonable in FGO.Another way to identify a Grand is through chat. They call each other “Gura-tomo” (Grand Friend), as Taigong did when he spoke about Noah, or Proto Merling with King Hassan.Another way is for them to introduce themselves as Grands in the main story. That's how we know Lord Logres is canon, as she is summoned as a Grand by Solomon in the story. In addition to receiving a CE in last month's event, where it is expressly stated that she is the Grand Saber.At the moment, Indra, Gilgamesh, and Heracles have none of these points in their favor.
>>286662839>>286662858>Indrajit victim>GrandGrand jobber maybe.
>>286662891But touching me would be beneath him.
>>286663271Letting you live would be worst.
>>286663297but he'd be staining his hands with lowly peasant blood
>Each one of them can beat up all your top servants togetherWhat do you have to say?
>>286663664Now that the theory of First Hassan being Cain has been put to rest, I can sit down and think about how good of a choice Cain would be for Grand Berserker.
>>286663664I'm happy each one of them victimizes Gil.
How good is EX Luck canonically?
>>286663117>they don't abide by my autism so it's not realthe absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.musashi is the only stated exception to the grand duels. we have confirmation through Noah and Indra that the duels definitely happened. We have confirmation that Nasu that all the grand duelists were those he personally selected as good choices for grand.Musashi is a double exception because the actual grand saber is meant to be a surprise summon in Lev's duel. So it makes complete sense that Musashi was a placeholder for surprise reasons. The others are not.
>>286663870>musashi is the only stated exception to the grand duelsShe is not.
>>286663903She is.No other grand duel is noted the way she is. And we know this for a fact as it doesn't apply to Indra, Noah, or Lev. So the notion that It must apply to anyone outside of Musashi is up to you to prove.
>>286663870>the duels definitely happenedToo bad Part 3 proves you wrong. Guda doesn't recognize Azrael.
>>286663734How was the theory dismissed? King Hassan was always the first Hassan, seeing his human form still changes nothing because we know nothing about his past as Hassan Sabbah. Calmly, after his punishment, he wandered the world until he founded the Hassans. And one point that makes me think that he could easily be Cain is that it is said that the wandering Jew who received immortality from Jesus is the oldest living human of all. This is somewhat contradictory if we know that Cain cannot die, but King Hassan reached a point where he is neither alive nor dead, so only if KH is Cain would the statement about the wandering Jew make sense.
>>286663946>Guda doesnAzrael appeared without a face. No shit Guda wouldn't immediately recognize him as the old man of the mountain the way he would in a duel, asusming he even remembers it at all, considering there are several events where he forgets what happened in it.speaking of which>Azraelbeing a confirmed grand is only more evidence btw>Nasu that all the grand duelists were those he personally selected as good choices for grand.The fact that Azrael is a grand only proves that Nasu only picked candidates worthy of the position, as the man himself stated.
>>286663926>No other grand duel is noted the way she is.They are. There was no Grand Duel Archer or Berserker podcast, they don't need to repeat the info that these dudes are gameplay only every single time just to please the demands of a deluded fuck like yourself.>LevLiteral Pretender.
would the real grands PLEASE stand up
>>286664008>Guda wouldn't immediately recognize him as the old man of the mountainHe actually did say it was King Hassan because he didn't recognize Azrael at all. He said it was a new form, the Duel didn't happen.
>>286664037>They areSo prove it. Show exactly where this is said.>Literal Pretender.Literally the grand caster, as stated in his battle. Naturally, you'd also want to dismiss what the story actually tells you for your hedcanon. Common in delusional faggots like you.
>>286664067Nope. One of his statements is that "he wasn't like this". Again>Azrael appeared without a face. No shit Guda wouldn't immediately recognize him as the old man of the mountain the way he would in a duel, asusming he even remembers it at all, considering there are several events where he forgets what happened in it.This is not proof that Guda has never met Azrael.
>>286663664>All of these are menSisters..
>>286664078>Show exactly where this is said.The first Grand Duel postcast.>Grand Caster>Class Pretender lol
>>286664116britainbro, saber is a woman.open your fucking eyes.
>>286664110>he wasn't like thisHe as in King Hassan. Because Azrael is something he had not seen before.>copiumI am not going to waste time with your delusions that Guda just happened to forget the Duels just so you can pretend they are canon.
>>286663979Because now the focus of his identity is a connection to the actual archangel Azrael (rather than just the name of his NP). I don't imagine Nasu pivoting to Cain after that.
>>286664121>The first Grand Duel postcast.Cite your source. Give the exact line that was used, or concede.>Class Pretender >Literally the grand caster, as stated in his battle. Naturally, you'd also want to dismiss what the story actually tells you for your hedcanon. Common in delusional faggots like you.You literally get the grand caster SG from beating him. How deluded do you have to be lmao?>>286664156>He as in King Hassan. Because Azrael is something he had not seen before.Nope. You're assuming that Ritsuka is not aware that they are the same to begin with. He can just be saying Azrael/KH is dfferent. Azrael appeared without a face.>copiumSo no argument? Got it.
>>286663664Grand Caster is cool and all, but who is the Grand Wizard?
>>286664078>Literal Pretender.What? I don't care about whatever autism you guys have with Herc and Gil but are you actually arguing that Levlomon was NOT grand caster? You can't be this fucking stupid, right?
>>286664223>You're assuming that Ritsuka is not aware that they are the same to begin withThat would make it even worse for your case.>Azrael appeared without a faceYeah let's just disregard the rest of the body for the sake of your delusion.>no argumentYour argument is the equivalent of saying Mata Hari is Grand Assassin because it was revealed to you in a dream. I will not engage with delusions.
>>286664300What are the requirements for Geand Caster can you remind me please?
>>286664329yes. typically when a part of someone's body is distinctly different, you're nautrally going to say>he didn't look like that.Sorry you jumped to conclusions, but don't ape at me for it.>Your argument is the equivalent of saying Mata Hari is Grand Assassin because it was revealed to you in a dream. I will not engage with delusions.Unfortunately, Nasu told us that these guys were worthwhile choices to be grand, most of them are shown outright in the story to be grand. Only Musashi being stated an exception when Logres was already planned and shifted.
>>286664348Clairvoyance EX
>>286664348Oh, you're actually doing this. You're a fucking idiot then. Play the game. Lev quite literally held the grand caster slot. You had to fight him to get it, so he was an approved grand servant.
>>286664348>requirementsthe requirements for grand changes every year.>only humans can be grands>half the grand roster is a fucking elemental because some of them found loopholes or didnt use any at allbullshitting the requiriements is apparently very easy
>>286664372>when a part of someone's bodyHe is talking about King Hassan not Azrael.>Nasu told us that these guys were worthwhile choices to be grandHe said he only picked people he thought people would want to fight against lol. Literal gameplay choice just like Musashit.>Only Musashi being stated an exceptionMusashi is not an exception to the reasonable choice statemwnt. She just isn't canon nor a candidate kust like Herk and Gilgamesh.
No wonder this guy doesn't believe Gil or Herc were grands. If you're going to doubt Lev being the grand caster when you are explicitly told like 3 times, there were no braincells to work with.
>>286664348I know what statement you're thinking of, and I always thought that was something people misinterpreted. At the very least, it led to years of people incorrectly assuming that Gil was a Grand Caster candidate.
>>286664510>He is talking about King Hassan not Azrael.>Nope. You're assuming that Ritsuka is not aware that they are the same to begin with. He can just be saying Azrael/KH is dfferent. Azrael appeared without a face.>He said he only picked people he thought people would want to fight against lol. Literal gameplay choice just like Musashit.Wrong. So you clearly have no idea what you're talking about>Nasu: I want the playerbase to consider them reasonable choices. I want to start with the staple ones to get them thinking they got it figured it out, then going increasingly more bait-and-switch to surprise them, but all under the root condition that they reasonable choicesThe "root condition" for the grand picks was that they were reasonable choices considered. Lo and behold, all the grand picks are among the strongest of their class.You can leave now.
>>286664549It's being misinterpreted right now. Clairvoyance that sees through the world is what is required for grand caster. Lev's clarivoyance, while diminished, is not stated to lack this feature.
Why the fuck does it matter, you pedantic retards? Grand status is just a class container anyway. This is possibly the most self-defeating, pointless, misguided attempt at a powerlevelfaggot argument you could engage in in this franchise.
>>286664455There is a very blatant requirement for Grand Caster which is this >>286664403Pretender Lev has D ranked Clairvoyance, he does not qualify as Grand Caster. Did you forget Goetia has faked his Grand Rank before? This dude is stated to be "Grand Caster" several times in the story as well.
>>286664510You're wrong on this:> I'll think about it when I have more time. How did you choose the Grand Servants featured in the Grand Duels for each class? Nasu: I want the playerbase to consider them reasonable choices. I want to start with the staple ones to get them thinking they got it figured it out, then going increasingly more bait-and-switch to surprise them, but all under the root condition that they reasonable choices. Also, it has to be Heroic Spirits they would want to fight against, considering all Servants changed to be Grands will get a little version upgradeNasu wanted them to be reasonable choices as a must, AND that they would be servants players would want to fight against. How did you forget over half the quote?
>>286664300They state that he was only pretending. In truth he directly called an Extra Class on the level of a Grand Servant, which is not all that uncommon. There are several other examples such as Qin, Galahad, Servant ORT, etc.
>>286664619>Musashi is not an exception to the reasonable choice statemwntLearn to read.
>>286664607>Grand Caster which is thisRetard spotted. See >>286664587Clairvoyance 'EX' is never once termed in Babylonia.> Goetia has faked his Grand Rank before?He did not. Goetia is never, anywhere, confirmed to be grand caster. He was using Solomon's corpse which had a caster origin with the strength of a grand vessel. Lev, on the other hand, is the confirmed grand caster. >>286664408
>>286664639Cite exactly where it was stated that Lev pretending in story affected his status as grand caster. I will remind you that gods can circumvent the grand class by borrowing human vessels and appearing as human to make the grade. Why can't Lev pretend to be a Caster and make the grade for grand caster? Because the conclusion is already known. He was effectively the grand caster. This is not a debatable point. The grand caster spot was WON from him.
>>286663817Canonically it allows you to perform feats that fully change destiny, according to BB's profile. Every character with EX Luck is an existence which in some form bends the rules of the spiritual world of fate because of this.
>>286664675EMIYABROS WE ARE GRAND CASTER CANDIDATES NOW WE FUCKING WONYou really are fucking retarded.
>>286664664Musashi isn't an exception. She's also a reasonable choice for grand saber. I'm saying you got the quote wrong. Anyone that Nasu picked is a grand candidate to begin with. Even if they're not the actual grand.
>>286664675>Goetia is never, anywhere, confirmed to be grand caster.You literally skipped Part 1 holy shit.
>>286664746Eyes that see through the world does not make you grand caster. Grand casters must have those eyes. Nothing says Lev lacks those eyes. His eyes are just weaker than Solomon'sYou're an actual clown.
>>286664455The requirements have always been the same.>Being at the top of their class in power and feats. Who takes the crown depends on the threat.>only humans can be grandsIt remains the same except for Indra.Lord Logres is human.Super Orion is human.Romulus Quirinus was artificially summoned and placed in the body of a human servant (Caligula) as a container.Noah is human.Solomon is human.Merlin is not a god.Taigong is not a god.Proto Merlin is not a god.KH is human.Azrael, an angel in the body of KH.Tezca created a completely human body, which is why he was screwed in LB7 when he sacrificed his organs.
>>286664300You realise that Lev is PRETENDING to be Solomon so he can accumulate merits in the name of Solomon/Romani to add a new pokedex entry under Romani so that Romani can be returned to be the Throne right? He is not Grand Anything. He is trying to bring back Romani out of guilt and is going to erase himself to bring Romani back.
>>286664751>grand candidateNope. Musashit is canonically erased.
>>286664782I will repeat it for you. Goetia is never confirmed to be grand caster. He only said that he was and people took it at face value. This is revealed to be a lie. He merely possessed Solomon's body and had a saint graph on that level. For all intents and purposes, the distinction was irrelevant. For Lev, it's very relevant because. you. get. the. fucking. saint graph. for. grand caster. by. beating him.
>>286664810Irrelevant. That Musashi was picked means Nasu considered her a candidate for grand servant. It just means that she's a grand servant candidate that was erased. So what? Solomon got a similar treatment, Doesn't mean he wasn't a grand candidate/grand.
Is there a difference between Lev being a Grand Caster and Lev fooling the World into thinking he's Solomon (the actual Grand Caster)? Because the latter is how Pretenders roll, and playable Lev is a Pretender.Maybe the argument isn't about Lev specifically.
>>286664785So D rank is now superior to C that's your argument? Because EMIYA has Clairvoyance higher ranked than Lev Goetia. It's Clairvoyance EX because that's the rank of Clairvoyance that grants the vision you are explaining.
>>286664798>>286664713>>286664862There is no difference. Functionally, Lev was recognized as grand caster. That's the bottom line. These autists don't even get how the class works. If gods can't bullshit it by pretending to be human, then a pretender lev can bullshit by acting as the grand caster and thus being the grand caster.
>>286664785>Grand casters must have those eyes. And Lev doesn't have them.>Nothing says Lev lacks those eyes.>Clairvoyance Dlol he's got less of those eyes than fucking Arash and EMIYA.
>>286664872>Parameters>2026>Two completely different skills where Lev can actually see the future where even some B-ranks cannot.LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>286664824Lev fooled the world in order to be considered Solomon and those buffs of Grand Caster DO NOT BELONG TO HIM. He will return every achievement to his King (Romani) and self destruct in the process. Everything that he has, including his own life itself, is on loan. He won't even have an entry on the Throne when this is done.
Why isn't Jets a Grand servant?
>>286656602>member of an organization of stoners so deranged even the other muslims hate them>summoned to modern day america>didn't immediately try to assassinate the presidentmy immersion is ruined
>>286664824>Goetia is never confirmed to be grand casterPlay London you retard.
>>286664713Don't really care about this classification autism, just pointing out his real class is Pretender and he's called a Heroic Spirit of rank equal to a Grand's. He's not a genuine Caster, but an Extra Class pretending to be one. I've no doubt he's the equivalent of a Grand Caster in the same way a fake can equal the original article in Nasuspeak.
>>286664918>>286664455>bullshitting the requirements is apparently very easy
>>286664931Yeah, that's fine. I'm really just saying that he was functionally the grand caster and stole it from him. It can be like how Prelati's grand illusion fools the world into thinking shit is real. Lev can do that, was he WAS the grand caster by pretending to be Solomon. Loopholes are the name of the game. Glad you get it at least.
>>286664916>IT DOESN'T COUNT ONLY MY HEADCANON DOESlmao Grand Caster Chiron here we come bros.
>>286664895>And Lev doesn't have them.Cite exactly where it's stated he cannot see through the world.>>Clairvoyance DClairvoyance D doesn't omit this feature. Emiya doesn't even have future sight. Neither does Chiron. And I don't even recall Arash having any kind of future fight. Arash has rank A but he can only estimate the future. He doesn't actually get future visions.Lev does:>It has decreased from King Solomon’s original, but the power of looking afar remains.>the power of looking afar remainsHe can still see the world.
>>286664796CHADrion being confirmed stronger than Gilgamesh and Herakles will always be so fucking hilarious.
>>286664919Because he's a joke servant. He has never been relevant.I'm fucking laughing that both Grand Saber and Berserker isn't him or Raikou. It's like Nasu saw the amount of shitposting the clowns did for years and punished them accordingly. And then Nasu made Gil Grand Archer as a final fuck you.
>>286663386Letting a mongrel shoot him would be worst.
>>286664950Lev is quite literally Solomon's actual familiar (Goetia is just a spell) and pet demon. He has been shadowing Solomon for his entire existence and the demon pillars are one of the foundations for modern magecraft. Think about how strong Prelati's Grand Illusion is and apply that many many times. Also Lev is also one of Nasu's favourite characters and has a power of love on his side.
>>286664995Chiron can see the far future? Citation please.
>>286665040>Cite exactly where it's stated he cannot see through the world.Clairvoyance D. He has weaker eyes than EMIYA, Chiron, Arash, and Fionn.>Emiya doesn't even have future sight.Higher ranked.>ChironHigher ranked.>ArashHe does, also higher ranked.
>>286665052It is hilarious that out of the shitposting powerlevel agenda he's the only one of the Gil-Herk-Jets trifecta that didn't get any Grand hype. Well at least they can try and leech off of Galahad's Grand wank, maybe. Like how Mihawk leeches off of Shanks lmao.
>>286665080I'm speaking relatively. These guys can do it in one way or another. The one ironclad rule of Nasu, is that rules can always be circumvented.
>>286665097Clairvoyance B+ vs D.
>>286665116>He doesHe doesn't. Quote it.>higher ranked>2026 era and thinking about ranks.Lev does:>It has decreased from King Solomon’s original, but the power of looking afar remains.>the power of looking afar remainsLev's profile tells you he can still see the world's future. Higher ranked clairvoyance cannot do this just because they're higher-ranked.Grand caster condition doesn't care about ranks. It cares about being able to see the world.
>>286663664>upper right why do all the Roman servants in FGO look like they have down syndrome?
What is with the sudden Lancelot talk is this guy trying to deflect by replying to himself now?
>>286665146>Clairvoyance B+B+ cannot see the futureLev can still see the future.Guess the ranks are wrong, as they quite literally commonly are.
>>286665122there isn't even a trifecta in anyone but that delusional idiot's mind. lancelot is complete garbage. a total nothing in this environment. why even talk about him?
>>286665180I'm trying to summon him for my own amusement.
>>286665171>Having this skill on Rank A or higherWhich rank is Lev again?
>>286665122A-rank Arondight and KoO, baby!He has never recovered from this.
Didn't Lev predict that Musashi was going to die? If he can still see the future then he still meets the qualifications.
>>286665233Not anymore but a long time ago he felt a lot more relevant in powerlevel shittery.
>>286665246Doesn't actually state not having skills at that rank means it's impossible. So this is not even a relevant statement.>It has decreased from King Solomon’s original, but the power of looking afar remains.>the power of looking afar remainsLev's profile tells you he can still see the world's future. Higher ranked clairvoyance cannot do this just because they're higher-ranked.Grand caster condition doesn't care about ranks. It cares about being able to see the world.Confirmation that Lev can still see the future. So what is the issue here? You have the literal text telling you that he can do it. What the fuck do ranks matter over the statement?
A reminder that Kingprotea has independent action at B rank and is a fully autonomous servant.>Independent Action: B>Protea, who has a powerful Mana Core, can preserve her own Saint Graph even without a Master.>For Protea, the Master is not 『a necessary keystone to bound her / a source of mana supply』, but just 『the one who summoned her』.Even some servants at A rank and above don't get this.Some people are literally built different regardless of ranks. As Solomon has the best clairvoyance, Lev having a watered-down version and still shitting on 99% of other clairvoyance users sounds about right.
>>286665296>it doesn't countRank A or above only sorry. Materials said so.>Confirmation that Lev can still see the futureGrand Casters Solomon and Merlin can see both past and future. Future even Chiron can do.
>both Merlins have no Clairvoyance skill>Goetia and Actual Solomon has it at EX but Lev's is just D but he's still able to see the future>Gilgamesh's Clairvoyance is an NPJetspic being Jetspic, I guess.>>286665272Yes.
So, Richard was actually winning because his speed was superior?
>>286665416Just more evidence that ranks are useless I guess.
>>286665496If he was fast, he'd kill Gil before he'd move.
>>286665286That's only in Zero 14 years ago and it's been stated that Madness Enhancement was carrying him. He'd be dogshit otherwise.
Remember that Berserker is the shitter class for Servants that would be too weak otherwise without Madness Enhancement.This is why this is Herakles' worst class.
>>286665461>Rank A or above only sorry. Materials said so.That skills says nothing about "only".>Grand Casters Solomon and Merlin can see both past and future>Merlin>ChironHoly fucking shitYou're an actual moron.
>being so assblasted over Herk and Gil that the Jettard tried to drag Lev of all people down Pick your battles, man.
>>286665627FGO mats buddy.
>>286665461Solomon can only see the Future.Merlin is the Present.Gilgamesh is the Past and Future.Holy fuck. This was revealed back in 2016. Are you delusional?
>>286665461Merlin explicitly cannot see the past or the future. Chiron cannot see the future with clairvoyance either. What the hell are you doing?
>>286665622Yes, that's exactly how it was in FSN and Zero. Same with the assassin class. Only in apoc when they toned down or made ME more flexible and allowed non-hassan assassins did those classes become more than jobber memes.The narrative also used to actually play up the extra mana cost of the berserker class meaning it wasn't a good fit for bad masters either. Of course now mana drain is now excused with either the best servants having crazy efficiency, the relevant masters always having infinite mana, or just ignored entirely.
>>286665684Cite where mats told you that Merlin and Chiron can see the past and/or future with their clairvoyance.
>>286665667>betraying Herk after making so much shit up last thread for himIt's embarassing.
>>286665693Check FGO mats buddy.>>286665697>I know more than the mats trust meFGO mats say Solomon gazed at both past and future on the same level as Merlin.>>286665697>ChironApocrypha Materials.
>>286665779>FGO mats say Solomon gazed at both past and future on the same level as Merlin.Cite it. Give the line.>Apocrypha Materials.Cite it.Don't tell me your interpretation. Quote the lines.
who's the Grand candidate for the Jobber class?
>>286665729>>286665863所罗门「作为与自己同格的“看透过去与未来的冠位魔术师”！真是有趣！既身为人类，又是与人类相去甚远的家伙们！」https://www.tmdict.com/en/profile/merlinCope.
>>286665693Solomon and gilgamesh is opposite, smart.
Nasu spent 10 years trying to figure out a way to make everyone love Lev and decided to make him for Romani to raise his popularity with fujos, gave Solomon's body to Lev to make him prettier, one of Solomon's rings to him and all of Goetia's powers to Lev for the powerlevelfags. Then he rezzed Lev twice. He was mad when the movie left out Lev's good side so he literally wrote that Lev raised Mashu with Romani into Lev's profile. When CNfags were telling Nasu to die, he was busy writing an explanation of Lev's powerlevels onto his blog. The best way to get powerlevel buffed in Fate is to be one of Nasu's favourite characters who he felt got cucked out of the love of fans because he will get assmad and buff the shit out of them. That's how the girl that got thrown into chaldea (olga) and the guy that threw her in (Lev) became two of the most powerful characters in this franchise.
The argument spiralling into something so absurd as rejecting the canon and doubling down on Merlin having future sight and visions of the past is only appropriate, lmao.As for the grand duels, if you're not being disingenuous as hell, you'd understand that the middle ground is the most reasonable position on the matter. The grand duels operate on a basis of semi-canon. They are a poorly integrated feature that were injected to give Guda grand servant vessels to use in the finale. Lev confirmed that they all happened. But the duels themselves are sort of gameplayish. Most of them have 0 context behind them. It's Nasu/DW's fault, mainly. For people who know, Nasu has this autism of adding gameplay into lore. Like Melt's materials:"Melt Envy EXTainted by one of the Seven Deadly Sins, Envy.Due to the influence of Leviathan, the Melt Virus has transformed.She steals 20~30% of the NP gauges of the party's Servants, concentrates the critical stars on herself, and raises the might of her Noble Phantasm.It charges her gauge by 60% at maximum. It might appear to be powerful at first glance, but it is a devilish skill that can throw the party off-kilter in a critical moment. "Sheer autsim but this is actually a real thing. Sometimes they don't separate the story from the gameplay and expect the players to go with it. The duels happened but who was the actual grand saber? Doesn't matter, evidently. Without context to most of these duels, we have no idea what happened in them. What we do know is that they have proper kits and Nasu said they had to be reasonable choices. Azrael has 0 context but was grand assassin anyway. At the very least, I'm convinced that they are grand "ifs" that Nasu has in mind.
>>286665779>千里眼：EX >ソロモンの千里眼は過去と未来を見通すという。>Clairvoyance: EX>It has been said that Solomon's clairvoyance can see through the past and the future.Oh hey, Jetspic got 1 thing right for once. Kudos.
>>286665891that quote is saying they are both grand casters, not that they both see the past and future. Merlin can only see the present.
>>286665863https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/side-materials/fateapocrypha-material/glossary-ka/Cope, again.
>>286665863>>286665891Holy shit! Are you seriously discussing this at this point? Wasn't it already explained how the clairvoyance of Solomon, Merlin, and Gilgamesh in Babylon differed?Didn't Solomon say in the first trailer for the LB arc eight years ago, “I am Solomon, possessor of the eyes that see the past and the future, and I foresee this end”? https://youtu.be/KTe92JhvASc?si=2TzhJIvY0fc2p8l5
>>286665927My mistake. Solomon can see the past and future.I think Gil's Clairvoyance is better since he is able to see parallel worlds + all that.
>>286666089Nope. Congratulations on fucking this up.Chiron cannot see the future by clairvoyance. He has Pseudo-future vision by combining clairvoyance with eye of the mind.>Good Eyesight. Can capture (with one's eyes) far-off targets, dynamic vision is improved. Because of a good balance with Eye of the Mind (True), limited future sight is possible.So no. He's not seeing the future by means of clairvoyance alone.
>>286665888Herc
>>286666113Jetfag is a troll and I cannot understand why people are still replying to him. How the fuck is anyone arguing that Merlin can see the future and past?
>>286666083“看透过去与未来的冠位魔术师”All of it on " ", not just the Grand Caster bit. Cope.
Every anon involved in this discussion would be a candidate for Grand Autist if Extra Classes had grands.
>>286666146>Quoting the fucking wiki.LMAAAAAAAOOOOOOO
>>286666021how many times is this going to get posted
>>286666186It's literally Merlin himself that says it in mats lol
>>286665259I just don't see why that matters to either side. It's not like rank matters all that much to how cool or useful a Noble Phantasm is. Cu Chulainn has a couple of the coolest NPs in the series and they're B+ and B.
>>286666195No. Merlin and Solomon are the same level of Magus. Solomon can see the future and the past. That's his thing. Merlin can only see the present.> King Gilgamesh can see the future. And that scoundrel in front of you can see everything in the present.
>>286649515I wish we had a crossover anime with all three
>>286665122There has never been a trifecta, Herc and Gil at least get wanked by Nasu even if they job afterwards but Jets has never got any special wank. He's the most skilled KotRT (his Saber version mind you) and thats it, he's just good but nothing special.
>>286666232Is it fun pretending to be retard?>>286666089>with the combined effects of his skillsYour own quote tells you this is an effect of multiple skills, not clairvoyance alone.
>>286666296The Grand Caster part is not the only thing in quotation marks my dude. Stop coping you are wrong that shouldn't be a new feeling for you. You should be used to that by now.
>>286666292It only matters because Jetfag had been obnoxiously trying to glaze Saber Lancelot for ages. Then Lancelot completely underperforms and Jetfag has to pull the whole plug. You really had to be there.
Let me remind you that Taigong qualifies as a candidate for the crown of Caster and Rider and has no clairvoyance.
are fatefags just wallmart mexican shounentards?
>>286666370Chiron has a skill that can used any skill at rank A. He could have just stacked Clairvoyance B+ and A lmao.
>>286666386>King Gilgamesh can see the future. And that scoundrel in front of you can see everything in the present.
>>286666435Good thing we know, it's clairvoyance and eye of the mind, because that's what the "materials" said.
>>286666439>NOOOO MATS DON'T MATTERNo facts seem to matter to you.
>>286666472Quote it.
>>286666407I was there in /fgog/ before the place degenerated too much for me to bother sticking around. It just never made much sense to me why it mattered so much to Jetfags or those he argued with. It's not like it matters if Arondight is A+, A, EX, or D. Jetfag and Melvin, and every other variant who came after were always obnoxious, but this just feels like the most pointless thing to argue about. It's like people who try to argue semantics and take favorable, very specific readings of dialogue to support their narrative when Nasu and Pals™ speak in vague and hyperbolic language 90% of the time.
>>286666417Are his mats even out yet?
>>286666536
>>286666417He's a higher dimensional god, so it probably comes naturally.
>>286666551Yep.
>>286666232...is this NOT the wiki? >>286666089Where was your source for this quote then?
>>286666513>Good Eyesight. Can capture (with one's eyes) far-off targets, dynamic vision is improved. Because of a good balance with Eye of the Mind (True), limited future sight is possible.
>>286666637Are you really that fucking stupid CHECK THE FUCKING POST IDIOT THE LINK IS RIGHT THERE LMAAAAAAAOOOOOOO
>>286666292You had to be there. The constant shitposting and headcanons was ludicrous. And it all died once the mats dropped.There's a reason why Saber Lancelot is barely brought up despite being the best Lancelot to summon.
>>286666526Because big numbers, anon. A++ is higher than A.If Nasu and co decides to make a servant like Herakles and Siegfried who has Rank specific defense again, it matters.
It's been two days now where the only person talking about Lancelot is Gilfag/fags. I am certain this is just one dude samefagging at this point.
>>286666805Until they retcon it or another "miraculous occurrence" allows for it to be bypassed anyway. Ignoring shit for the narrative is kind of just the rule of how TM tends to work, even before the hard retcons. Look at how dirty they did Berserker Heracles over time. Numbers just don't matter all that much, especially when rank doesn't necessarily equate to power anyway and there can be quantitative and qualitative differences in effectiveness within a single rank. A =/= A sometimes. Stuff like Siegfried's defense only cares about the damage value of the attack, which doesn't necessarily correlate to the rank of the Noble Phantasm anyway. A D-rank Noble Phantasm has the potential to dole out A-rank damage. >>286666711Believe it or not, I was there. My contribution was thinking it was lame that Arondight was confirmed to have a beam, making it a less interesting Noble Phantasm in my eyes because beams are a dime a dozen. I do remember the delusions, crying, and cope though.
>>286666526>>286665863>>286665779God I wish I actually liked FGO, I just lost all love for gacha after Umamusume
>>286663664Okay but who is Grand Saver?
>>286666879Always was.
>>286666690that link sources the wikipedia.
>>286666711It's pretty sad you seem to have put a lot of effort on this but the only responses you get is yourself samefagging to it, but the one compilation with actual mainstream relevancy is the one compilating all of Gilgamesh loses. Seen that shit all over Twitter and I'm sure it originated from here.
>>286667184>y-y-you're samefag!lmao
>>286667300Your samefagging compliations will never reach this mainstream level btw. Keep replying to yourself it's not gonna bring Archer Gilgamesh back.
>>286667376>it's not gonna bring Archer Gilgamesh backWho the fuck distinguishes a character by what class they appear in? My guy, it's the same fucking character regardless of class, just a different aspect of them. That's part of what makes Servants so cool. There are several opportunities to see different facets of them across classes.
>>286667376>s-s-samefaggingkeep going, schizo.
>>286667419You expect a retard Jetfag to understand this? They live and die off berserker and cut out Lancelot like a cancer. They cannot accept this logic. LMAO
>>286667419>Who the fuck distinguishes a character by what class they appear in?Herkfags shitting all over Alcides.
>>286648260Don’t worry she’ll clash with someone and then explain her motivations and feelings and what she had for dinner and then they’ll both retreat as usual
>>286666958Yeah, but we're just using the same logic Jetkek uses which frustrates him.All he cares about is Ranks and Numbers. Anything stated in writing is just a mistranslation or lies if it doesn't line up with his headcanon.
>>286667376At least post the updated one you did, Jetspic.The one that caused you to meltdown last thread.
>Illya>jetspic
>>286668636>powerlevelfag>not spicChecked /a/ lately?
>>286666310Arguably isn't even alone at that anymore since Logres wanked Galahad to have Lancelot's martial skills.
>>286666958>My contribution was thinking it was lame that Arondight was confirmed to have a beam, making it a less interesting Noble Phantasm in my eyes because beams are a dime a dozen.Fuck beams, beams have ruined NPs in this franchise.
>>286668944>Fufu… Your face says that Sir Galahad was more aggressive than you thought. He has the bravery that he inherited from his father, the morals he learned from his father, and a rationality coming from his innate angelic nature. When it comes to battle, he will mercilessly find out what his opponent hates, and coldly counterattack. Even I… don't want to fight against such a style if possible.What?
