Thread for discussing coffee and coffee related topics.Blue mountain editionIf you're new and confused start here, then ask a few questions: https://pastebin.com/UEzwuyLzIf you're old and confused is smooth a flavor?Previous thread:>>20980461
>>20989435thanks for ruining the thread
>>20989439Threads have been cooked for months pal.
>>20989435Smooth is an attribute of flavor, I'd say. Smooth means a consistency in taste, richness, and acidity, at least to me.
>>20989359It's literally not -just- Typica, the Volcanic Soil and elevation affect the flavor profile and consistency of the coffee. I am SO bummed that PNG being "like Blue Mountain" just meant "Blue Mountain if someone cut out the richness and half the flavor." Don't know where to go from here in my quest to find an affordable replacement for JBM - maybe I'll just have to accept that I've reached peak coffee and find a good affordable silver medalist to use regularly and save JBM for special occasions
>>20989468
>milky cakelmao
>>20989500
>>20989489Keep looking. You'll find another boring washed typica you love soon.
>>20989435pourover is for losers who can’t afford an espresso machine. fight me.
>>20989435I think I’m going to try an anaerobic coffee from B&W. Would it be better in espresso or pour over?
>>20989630pour overbut you have to fight the guy above you first.
>>20989639Espresso is an option for him so I don’t think he does.
>>20989500>>20989439poor-over cucks in shambles since the release of the adien. IT'S OVER
>>20989714>$500+ on pour over machines>$50 on a grinder
>>20989727you know darn well that grinder only cost me $20
>>20989727>several thousand on loli figurines
>>20989744You can change the faces!
>>20989489Buy in bulk and freeze it to cut down on costs
Are there any qualities of coffee beans which tend to make some varieties more difficult to grind than others? Maybe I'm imagining it, but I feel like my nice Colombian beans are harder to grind than the cheap beans I was using before.
Are you partaking in Hoffmann's Decaff coffee tasting?
>>20989766The coffee process and especially the roast level can affect the bean's density, making some coffee harder/easier to grind. Darker roasted coffee tends to be less dense and more porous making it easier to grind.
>>20988216>straight handle
>>20989766>>20989773Altitude. Higher altitude= slower growing, denser cherries and seeds=more complex flavor. The cheap beans were probably lowland brazilian commodity.
>>20989787Prolly.
>>20988457>best material for the Kalita Wave for someone who wants minimal fussGet the standard steel model. Every other material (besides plastic) is going to require more preheating and more attention to thermal management.
>>20989787>>20989766also bean size can affect grind time/effort to grind.(depending on the burrs of course)like on my rok, small beans are harder to grind than large beans.for example, i find peaberries harder to grind.
>>20989820The worst one according to the Assman.
>>20989825Yeah. Peaberries are denser.https://perfectdailygrind.com/2020/03/what-are-peaberry-coffee-beans-the-myths-the-reality/
>>20989854sure but more peaberries can fit into the burrs than normal beans. so the amount of material between the burrs is higher making it harder the turn.regardless of the density.
>>20989842The drain/clog issue can be fixed with some simple mods. The most common involve widening the holes a little bit, or pressfitting a mesh in the bottom.
>>20989908>minimal fuss>buy the one you need power tools and chicken wire to make work
>>20989530Well what's your favorite adventurous coffee, Mr. Lives On The Edge
I see a lot of people posting about coffee preparation methods over the specific beans they use. In my experience a subpar prep won't ruin a good bean but a subpar bean will ruin a perfect prep.
>>20989957I'd say a one-time mod is better than fussing over temperature management every time you use it. Besides that, the other materials will break if you ever drop them.
Alright I'll get some Geisha coffee for the holiday season. Janson Lot 557 "French" Roast style. And if it doesn't blow BMJ out of the water it's your ass leather man
>>20990060Did it. Was tempted to order more since there's only four left but this whole "tea profile" thing that people rave about seems more like a negative to me than a positive - doesn't a "tea profile" just mean watery as all shit compared to a "coffee profile?"
>>20990067I just did the math and that's eighty fucking dollars per pound of coffee. That coffee better suck your fucking dick for that kinda dosh
>>20990067>gesha>french roastWhat the fuck are you doing?
>>20990120Like my predecessor I have coaxed you into a snafu
>>20990124So Gesha is light flowery coffee that has the profile of black tea? Doesn't SOUND too appealing tbqh, kind of sounds like a novelty
Day 3 of superautomatic. Made a highly refreshing coke zero espresso. Glorious.
Alright I can't get a single shot espresso to work on my new machine at allThere is no puck, it's just watery grounds in the portafilter
>>20990229did you tamp it?
>>20989768I did one a couple years ago, don't feel the need to again but it was actually pretty informative.
MMMMMMoka
>>20990302get OUT of here, stalker
>>20990133>So Gesha isits pretty retarded to say a variety IS x.it can be x, it can also be y.
>>20990302oh its one of those left handed moka.never seen one before.
>>20990088Well he's buying an already specialty brand of coffee from a single lot it's not going to be cheap lol. This hobby like all hobbies gets pricer when you do stuff like that. Can't go wrong with just buying good coffee from local roasters and a chemX though
>>20990406>This hobby
>>20990406>This hobby like all hobbies gets pricer when you do stuff like that.sure but most people who buy those small but expensive bags(100g) dont do it every weekits like a one off to try and then they go back to their regular specialty coffee that is the same price but for 3-5x the weight.
>>20990411It's a hobby, else we'd talk more about beans than about gear. Some of you are like two steps away from growing the damn beans yourself
>>20990438Yeah but what if the coffee you just meant to "try" turns out really good and you can't go back to normal coffee anymore they never think about that do they
NAAAAAAAAAME THE BEST COFFEE IN THE WOOOOOOORLD or I'll eat your soul!
>>20990466burundi kibingo natural process.
>>20990458
>>20990466I stand by Jamaican Blue Mountain and anyone who tells you "It's just Typica bro" doesn't understand Terroir and/or thinks HOW and WHERE you grow a plant somehow doesn't matter>But it's so unadventurous! The flavor profile doesn't bounce up and down like bipolar having an epiletic fit! It's just a solid cup of coffeeYes
If we're on the subject of meme coffees, anywhere here ever have Kopi Luwak? Like unironically? How was it?
>>20990472don't forget who and how it was roasted
>>20990477Like a lot of the top coffees it's an inoffensive arabica like taste with a smooth body. Also apparently has a heavy creaminess "mouth feel." I've never drank it myself but know a friend who did after seeing "The Bucket List."
>>209904721000masl Island coffee is bland. I'm not saying terrior doesn't matter. I'm saying there are much better terroirs. There's a reason why jbm and kona are memes in the "specialty" coffee world. You're drinking second wave coffee. Nothing wrong with that. Some people swear by chock full of nuts.>>20990067BK says rest it between 2 weeks and 3 months before drinking. There's another lot from Janson over at hydrangae too.
>>20990406>hobby
New bins and new annual free cuppa brohs, bourbon, caturra, typica peruvian 48h breathless georgies pre wash.>This microlot is produced by Ismeria Leon on its Queromarca farm at an altitude of 2,250 metres, making it ideal for the production of speciality coffee with its abundant sunshine and cool temperatures. This washed batch undergoes 48 hours of extended anaerobic fermentation before washing. This coffee is fruity with notes of oranges and grapes and a juicy texture that sets it apart from traditional Peruvian coffees. With our medium roast, enjoy it as an espresso.They sell them as light roast and medium roast, naturally i got the medium roast.Beans have the typical anaerobic smell with fruitiness similar to the burundi from utopia roaster(was also an anaerobic). Taste is fruity and funky has no notes that you find in peruvian coffees, like the terroir doesn't express itself. Medium syrupy, medium lingering aftertaste. It's tasty but exhausting on the palate, only one cuppa per day type of coffee and in the afternoon i can't see myself drinking this first thing in the morning. I expect the taste to zig, but it zags instead.I like this years saucer design but the cuppa's colours don't vibe with the saucer imo. Still pretty comf and free so won't complain.Enjoy your day and coffee bros.
>hobby>/ˈhɒbi/>noun>1. an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.
>>20989714>gets microplastics in you're coffeeNothin personnel, kid
>personnel>/ˌpəːsəˈnɛl/>noun>people employed in an organization or engaged in an organized undertaking such as military service.
>>20990556>plastic in the air>in the water>in your clothes>in sea salt>in building materials>in your car>in literally everything you touch on a daily basis>the coffee maker is going to make a difference when floating trash islands migrate around the world’s oceans and nobody does anything about it
ITS UPhttps://youtu.be/ADnoqcns4dc
This and a cigarette is the perfect breakfast.
>>20990631Is that fuck fuck finally losing weight?
>>20990633this but i eat food instead of smoke
>>20990631>the hoff declares it the best budget grinder>fatty immediately makes a video about it
>more df slop
>>20990633This and some white pussy is the perfect breakfast
>>20990631DF is absolutely dominating in the 200-800 range.
>>20990642So propose a better option that isn't a $2000 Wug you faggot.
>>20990635what living outside of muttmerica does to a mf
>>20990671i thought he lived in LA?
>>20990663Yeah thats not me.>>20990673Moved to portugal a few years ago.
>>20990683>Yeah thats not me.>He still didn't propose anythingoof, DF54 takes another win
>>20990687>another winof what?
>>20990694Just let him schiz out.
>>20990694>DF slop>post something better>deflection>deflectionWew
>>20990705>>deflection>>deflectiondidnt you just deflect from my question tho?
>>20990708Not really, the DF54 just mogged your ass, like it mogged the hoffman showdown.
>>20990709what did it win at tho?being the best of grinder under $250?lollmaodidnt realise this was broke boy general.clamoring over cheap grinders.>NYOOOOOOOO NOT THE 2K WUG!!!!!!!!DF is slop.all of their grinders, at every price point.there are better grinders out there.no reason to settle for DF slop unless you are a broke boy.
>>20990717For me its the k6.
>>20990717>all of their grinders, at every price pointYou haven't given anon an example of a better grinder at that price point.>there are better grinders out thereYeah but most aren't willing to spend that much money on them. It's not a matter of not being able to afford them, it's a matter of not wanting to invest that much money into coffee. I could probably spend 1k a month on some super premium toilet paper or whatever, but I don't because I don't value it that much.
>>20990727>You haven't given anon an example of a better grinder at that price point.which one>Yeah but most aren't willing to spend that much money on them.who cares?>I don't because I don't value it that much.so why are you here shilling for DF?
>>20990729I don't value coffee grinders enough to spend 1k on them. I do value them enough to spend around $200 on them.
>>20990727What you don't buy 1k super premium toilet paper per month are you a broke boy or something?
>>20990732i dont think electric grinders under $500ish have value.same goes for alot in life.mind you there is a difference between good and good enough.is the $200 dfslop good enough? yeh i guess it could be.but i dont think it is good.and i dont think it has value.
>>20990743>but i dont think it is good.>and i dont think it has value.lollmaoyour 'tism is showing
>>20990749i accept your concession.
>>20990743https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIyt5pEcE_g
>>20990751i think you need that video more than i do, shill
>>20990754>i dont think>i think>i dont think>i dont thinki accept your concession, retard.
>>20990756>fact or opinioni never talked about facts.so why are you acting like i did.and why are you defending df so hard?do they pay that much for shilling?
>>20990743If it can be good enough then it has value.
>>20990765not to mei dont think something that is "good enough" has any value.things that are good have value.like if i buy something that is essentially a stop gap because it is good enough, i dont value it because i bought it knowing it was not good and therefore when it breaks or i lose it or whatever, i dont feel bad or sad or frustrated, because i never put any value in it.i feel emotional about things i have put value in.if i bought a $200 dfslop and it broke in a year or made coffee i didnt love, it was simply "good enough" thats fine because i dont have any expectations other than for it to be "good enough" a gap filler basically.if i spent $2k+ on a grinder, well i would only do that if it was good. not simply good enough but objectively good. and it would have value.good + value = not slopgood enough/not good + no value = slop.df = slop
>>20990777>i feel emotionalwant a tampon?
>>20990787i accept your concession
>>20990793I'm not even the same poster
>>20990797so?also thats a pretty gay theme anon.
>>20990550Yeah I drink coffee for pleasure at my leisure sometimes, how is it not a hobby?
>>20990810>how is it not a hobby?because "sometimes" and "regularly" are not the same thing
>>20990815I dunno I have at least a cup a day, i think that counts as a hobby.
>>20990810https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZK8Z8hulFg
>>20990820I don't get what point you're trying to make here, the more you are invested in something the more details about that thing you'll learn. And water at a certain PH level does indeed taste better than water at a different PH level... wonder if I should include akalides for my daily cuppa
>>20990818so why did you say sometimes if its every day?
>>20990828"Sometimes" does not preclude "every day" you fucking autist. I meant it to mean my coffee consumption is not a professional thing but done with enough frequency to be considered a hobby, the notion of which seems to make you sperg out for some reason
>>20990838>but done with enough frequency to be considered a hobbybut to be considered a hobby it has to be regular.and you said you did it sometimeswhich means it isnt a hobbyand then you changed the story.sorry but im going to have to ask you to leave.this is a coffee hobbyist general.come back when coffee is your hobby.
>>20990843I didn't "change the story", you're just a sperg who doesn't understand how time measurements work. Your central premise is flawed, it's a valid hobby sweetie.
>>20990843i shit every dayon my leisure timefor pleasureis shitting it a hobby?
>>20990823Being invested in things is cringe, drinking anything besides Dunkin Donuts roast is cringe
Poorfags gonna poorfag but you really don't need anything besides good beans to be a true coffee enjoyer. 20 dollar electric grinder, a five dollar pourover system, a ten dollar electric kettle, and good beans will make 95 percent of the difference in taste and quality
>>20990849>is shitting it a hobby?yes>>20990848> it's a valid hobby sweetie.yes i know that coffee is a hobby, its just no YOUR hobby>>1. an activity done regularly in one's leisure time for pleasure.>Yeah I drink coffee for pleasure at my leisure sometimes, how is it not a hobby?(sometimes is not the same or equal to regularly)>I didn't "change the story",""I dunno I have at least a cup a day""minimum of 1 cup per day is not sometimesso you did change your story.weird how you couldn't just admit you used the wrong word and move on.too late now unfortunately.
>>20990849yes
>>20990866That's where you're wrong dipshit, sometimes can include regularly. Sorry english isn't your first language, I feel for you little bro
Moccamaster experts who know more than the supportwhat setting does the one switch hot plate run on? 75% or 100%? the hot plates are not temperature controlled are they?does the water overflow the filter running soft water and max pot? I'm gonna consoom the optio/select if this is the case and run it on half pot settingno one can answer these autistic tech questionsI went to the retail stores to consoom and check moccamasters again and people consoomed them all up and the sale wasn't even that insane, but I'm not gonna consoom the manual atleast, I'm going for the autopic unrelated
>>20990878>sometimes can include regularly.?>sometimes: occasionally, rather than all of the time.>occasionally: at infrequent or irregular intervals; now and then.>regularly: with a constant or definite pattern, especially with the same space between individual items.you are retarded.
>>20990880>Moccamastersweaty that name is problematicplease refer to it using the correct terminology: moccamainvirtual hugs you consent
>>20990900POV I have become the master of the mocca, a moccamaster
>>20990909a moccamassa if you will.
>>20989842Has anyone tried the Tsubame? Can I put it in the Dishwasher?
>>20990921Dishwasher safe, though I'm not sure why the fuck you would ever need to.
>>20990060Charles Schwabb over here how you can justify spending 80~ bucks a pound on coffee is beyond me. Just find a local roaster my guy you don't want to take out a reverse mortgage just to pay for a cup of joe
Any recommendations for coffee roasterson the N orth side of Chicago or the Northwest suburbs? I'd especially like to find a good decaf.
>>20991013why cant you buy from out of state?
>>20991018I was hoping to buy something local instead of paying shipping for something I may or may not even like.
>>20991021>I was hoping to buy something localoh like go there and pick it up in person?
>>20991024Yes. I have limited time between work and family commitments, so I can't just wander all over looking, but I would be happy to buy in person, and suspect it might be a bit cheaper, too. I'm hoping another anon in the area will see this and have a recommendation.
>>20991030>and suspect it might be a bit cheaper, too.i mean it will be because no shippingbut its not like you get a discount on the coffee itself just by showing up in person.
>>20990970Charlie Murphy is trying to hang with the big dogs.
almost forgot about this onegive me one reason I should not life time warranymaxx?
>>20990970We do things a little different here in Switzerland.
>>20991087I wonder what ultrabased roaster and world barista champion Emi Fukahori uses in her shops.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSwLVNBh0Cc
>>20991116Every Migros (one of the two biggest supermarkets in the country) has a ditting to grind your coffee. >her shopsDon't forget Mathieu.
>>20991116Btw when i was in MAME they used an EK43, but that was a few years ago.
>>20990633There is a sayingFirst coffee, next cigarette, then comes the clay doll.
>>20991130Yeah they're fucking great. Euronons should be checking the used market for old shop used 804s.>>20991136Its all hemro group. Ditting cast the "a" burrs that people liked for the ek43. I'm pretty sure they make some 807s in the malk factory now.
>>20990823The point is that the water experience before and after is fundamentally the same, and the autismo detail is a waste of time. I would also say complicating a simple thing gives you many, many more ways to fuck it up.
>>20990880>let me burn my coffeeyou bought the wrong moccamaster.
>drink coffee>really like it>go to order more beans>sold out, tee hee wait for next year :^)taking recommendations for juicy espresso that aren't out of stock
If df54 is the best budget grinder, what is the best mid range grinder?
>>20991259unironically the DF64
>>20991271>>20991259Where is the DF64 grinder made? The video on the site has a jeet and I will never ever buy anything made in india.Also my tap water has a lot of minerals in it and I get a lot of buildup. What kind of filter do I need to remove that RO? Or will bottled drinking water from the store have less?
>>20991271not the t64 or g64?
>>20991288I guess define your price ranges for mid range because we probably have different ideas of mid range
>>20989435>is smooth a flavor?in specialty coffee, smoothness is a descriptor that falls under mouthfeel. if you want to see how coffee/specialty coffee is assessed here's links to sca evaluation sheets, under cva forms, and wcr sensory lexicon for identifying aspects of the coffee's profile.https://sca.coffee/value-assessmenthttps://worldcoffeeresearch.org/resources/sensory-lexicon
>>20991204I haven't bought anything yet, never experienced the so called burn before eitherif you are this autistic about it why not just buy a ikea 5€ insulated pitcher and pour it over instantlyregardless, the pot will be sipped before anything burns
>>20989489>It's literally not -just- Typicaanon is right, but it has more to do with the plant's genetics rather than terroir. unless you're planting clones, each coffee plant is slightly different even if they're the same variety and even if they're propagated from the same parent planets. as an example, this pic is of a hawaiian typica that the producer told me was one of two selected for further propagation due to it's higher resistance to leaf rust compared to all the other typica on the farm. over time, with each generation of plants these slight differences build and create a unique sub-variety that retains most of the variety's characteristics or a new variety entirely.so unless new genetics are introduced, the coffee will continuously develop a unique profile. one issue, however, is resistance to new disease/fungus/pests is uncertain and can greatly impact production if the plants are not tolerant. that's why producers put massive effort into breeding programs to ensure they're able to maintain production while not sacrificing cup quality.
>>20991393why go for extra pointless steps. Just buy the model that doesn't have a burner on it...
>>20991457don't need a thermal potcan't slow the brew rate on the thermalssimple as
>used little 2oz bar style espresso cups like pic related everywhere in Italy and Greece>haven't been able to find quite the same thing in the US, outside of Etsy shops selling """vintage""" ones for $20+ each>everything else is too big or the wrong shape or comes in a pack of six with saucers or is just plain white with no design on itI just want to drink my espresso fashionably. Maybe I'll have better luck after cleaning out my cupboard and donating the cups I never use. Or maybe I'll just have to wait until I visit France next year.More positive note: I tried grinding specialty beans Turkish-fine, and it yields a better Turkish brew than the grounds you buy in the shops. Seems obvious, and I don't know why it took me years to try it. Gonna try that with most of my beans now, it's only a few grams per cup.
I added heavy cream to my coffee for the first time yesterday and it was fucking amazing. I've been a black coffee drinker all my life, but now I get the whole adding things to coffee thing. Probably won't be something I do daily, but holy shit did it make that cup of coffee an experience.I have no one else who will appreciate this, I hope you lads will.
My parents bought a proper espresso machine and I can't pull a shot at all
>>20991599ok what grinder tho
>>20989854>>20989825>>20989787The densest would be high-grown beans from Ecuador and the Himalayas of Nepal
>>20991214Sumatra
>>20990466Janson Washed Geisha, the best cup in all of Panama
>>20991618DF64VMachine is the Lelit Bianca
>>20991599Grind coarser.
>>20991599Also check if it has a pressurized basket
>>20991685>shot doesn't start until 13-14 seconds in>have to run it for nearly 40 seconds to get decent volume>grounds are in my cup after I finish drinking>puck kind of held together but after pulling portafilter out it was a bit sloppy lookingI wish my parents just bought a breville machine but beggers can't be choosers Now I learn you need to use needles to distribute the grounds more>>20991688I just used the portafilter from the machineI'm going to try the bottomless portafilter and see if I can diagnose anything
>>20989435kek that touchy coffee bag in the op on the left is my local coffee shop, i hate their descriptions
i want to go back to drinking oat milk so bad bros i miss it so much. whole milk is fucking up my skin and almond milk doesn't steam as good... but i must resist the seed oil poison slop.
>>20991733What is this big push lately about "seed oils" being bad for us? Is there any actual scientific evidence? Or is this just one of those cases of overconsumption of anything is bad and because people are having too much we're telling people not to have any?
>>20991746i think it's more of why would you drink this garbage filler food when you have nutrious whole milk that is good for you...but i honestly don't know why i even care seeing as though i drink dr pepper zero regularly kek
>>20991271I did expect this to be the answer. I was considering between the two but unsure if it's worth it to get the 64. This coming from a handgrinder only anon. >>20991762>Dr pepperBased taste, I don't really drink any soda's or eat shitty foods, but I do cook with canola oil when making dinner as olive oils don't have a high smoke point, the only non-seed oil that does is avocado oil and I'd rather not have to pay an arm and a leg for that.
>>20991196>waste of time.by what metric?
>>20991214sumatra wet hulled
my local starbucks has a clover machine but they never pick good coffee to use it with
>>20991895>my local starbucks has a clover machineAt this point in 2024, almost all starbucks locations in major metro areas should be switched over.They started the switch like a year or two ago.
>>20991895>>20991910does starbucks have something other than dark roast dogshit at all? Their drip coffee is terrible and always has been
>>20990858It will all be for naught if your water tastes like SHIT.
>>20992076>using water to brew coffee instead of using diluted coffeengmi
>>20991286RO will be softer than bottled mineral water if that's what you're asking.
>>20991500Check thrift stores. I found some nice ACF espresso cups with saucers for 10 CAD last year.
>>20991171>peaked interestDid Lance Hedrick write that?
Nice extra strong late night cuppa while my neighbors are being too loud
>>20992261No.
>>20992305>neighbors are being too loudresult of not enough coffee.
>>20992076>have good local water>have a good filter jug>have a filter on the coffee machine as wellfeels good
>>20990458>Some of you are like two steps away from growing the damn beans yourselfi hope so anon
Select Vs Optio vs Diamond EditionSelect is 60€ less on amazon, essentially you are paying 60€ more for a life time guarantee with a diamond edition still in stock or I just walk into the nearest store and buy the optio for the same pricewhat should I consoom
>>20992481>€
>>20992481support your local economy
>>20992484what current do you want me to type in, miss?>>20992593it's all local retailers wymare you talking about amazon?
>>20992598im talking about not supporting amazon, yes
>>20992604But bro, I'm banned from entering those stores, they told me my money was dirty and they won't do business with my kind. Bezos never refused my money. Stay safe, order from home. Brick and mortar shop should close down forever. Never forget what they did to pure bloods.
>>20992613you big silly
>>20992604other retailers are owned by some globohomo corp anyway so not like it matters>>20992613>Never forget what they did to pure bloods.unvaxed O- pureblood checking in, wagmi
>>20992677my soul is white
Why nobody warned me that filter coffee is good and not a lebbit meme?
Look at that, I’m already planning this year’s Christmas liquor.Filter goff liquor instead of moka pot goff liquor, less deep flavour but more floreal and delicate, with infused shit like fennel seeds and cinnamon sticks.I’m so (partially) back bros.
I think I made my choice either gonna cop a select or optio, simply for the lower flow rate reallyoptio is 80€ more than a select from amazonbonus is I can just walk outside and buy it instantlyTO BE CONTINUED
>>20992779Because you judge your self-worth based upon what plebbit thinks of shit
>>20992779We did. It was while you were screeching about sucking off trabeezy and how paper filters strip the essential oils.
>>20992828it took him all this time to find a v60 with a lifetime warranty
>>20992850Jap kettle, jap dripper, multiple chinese grinders, Quan chilled coffee. He's become everything he hated.
Enjoying coffee on the weekends when it doesn't have to be my wagie lifeline is a feel
>>20992863>He's become everything he hated.all because his gay lover didnt email him back.
>>20992870ANON IS THAT A PHIN?!
>>20992863Not my fault if Italian manual grinders are retarded garbage because reasons.I’d cop an eureka baby or a mazzer too but it’s like they designed them specifically with retarded burr sizes and technical choices to make people not buy them, also both of them are too Italian coffee style focused, lots of fines, and for that my JX Pro has me covered already.
>>20992879>Not my fault if Italian manual grinders are retarded garbage because reasons.what about the Fiorenzato Pietro?
>>20992879>Italian>retarded garbage>reasonsNow connect the dots.
>>20992887>400€ + 75€ for the second set of burrsNo thanks, also even Lance Hendrick says that there are better alternatives (he helped designing it).
>>20992931Gianigger+flair+two grinders+aeropiss and accessories+switch=how much?
>>20992958>he expects to update his dossier for freeNot so fast anon
“Espresso blend” from a local roaster haha
just had an sumatra affogatoit was pretty good:)
>>20992984Looks like a normal espresso roast to me. They know few espresso machines have any real temp control, so they roast darker to ensure extraction even with suboptimal water temps and suboptimal extraction times. They also know it will be drowned in steamed milk, so a darker espresso is going to cut through the milk better. Customers will associate a heavier, darker flavor in their latte as being better because the average coffee drinker doesn’t know what good coffee actually tastes like.
>>20993062Had a cheeky 10pm washed guat affogato last night. Melatonin right after. Slept like a baby.
>>20993121>Slept like a baby.my heart is fucking racing rn honestlycoffee usually doesnt affect me at allbut(im retarded, bare with me) maybe the fats from the icecream bind to the caffeine(or oils?) or something and like digest it in a different way than normal making my body react to it differently
>>20993127Can be related to roast levels. If I make double shot espresso using a medium/dark roast I can feel my hair grow. Using a light roast I feel nothing at all.
>>20993148>Can be related to roast levels.been drinking these beans for about a week now.i did drink it on a totally empty stomach tho so maybe that is also why.
I'm considering getting a proper coffee machine. I'm a euro and my budget is around 500€. I don't want or need a hobby regarding coffee, I really just want an easy way to make a decently tasty coffee each day, preferably without being able to fuck it up. Right now I'm using pre-ground coffee and an aeropress (french press for guests) but half the days I get a refrigerated coffee milk cup at a supermarket, so realistically I'm pretty close to rock bottom in terms of quality, so almost anything will feel like an improvement. I've considered bean to cup machines, but then the ninja luxe caught my eye, because it promises to prevent you from making shit-ass coffee and making the whole process easy (which is what I want) for 450€ (or 550€ for the 601).So three questions:>See picrel, I've color coded the features, green is something I'd use a lot, red is something I don't care about, yellow is a nice to have but not necessary. How important are single espressos? My understanding is that if I order an espresso in a cafe it's actually a double espresso usually.>Is cold-pressed coffee a meme or is there some merit to it? I don't like coldbrew all that much, so I'm wondering>Am I a retard (in regards to the machine, not in general) and should instead get another bean to cup machine and if so, which one? (keep in mind euro pricing). The only reason I'm considering the ninja despite not being bean to cup is because it automates almost everything (grind size, weighing the amount, etc).Other options include the phillips 2300 (380€), phillips 3300 (450€), Melitta Latticia OT F300 (500€) and De'Longhi Magnifica Start ECAM222.60.BG (360€). Bonus points if the machine doesn't look utter ass.
>>20993168https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkfXNE3mkXA
My aiden stopped allowing water in from the tank. It's being sent back and I'm getting a replacement.It's over. Moccamaster (not the ones with burners) won. I consneed.
>>20993177Yeah I watched that. Bad filter coffee is a fair criticism, but then I suppose it doesn't matter as much if I mostly want to make espresso/espresso based drinks. The whole idea of the machine making it so I don't have to pick up espresso as a hobby just sounds very appealing to me.
>>20993179Did you try giving it heart eyes?
>>20993168>let me guess, you need more?>>20993179>(not the ones with burners)cope, burners are the same as thermals with the upside of being easier to clean, a thermal pot literally costs 5€ for when you need itand less obstructionSelect/Optio-bros, we won>aidenthat bbc brewer literally had a fundamental flaw, which is, the cone filters it uses by default is the 1x2 not enough for 8-10 cups, the large filter is flatbottom circular filters, not commonly found in stores for eurocucksthis brewer was doomed from the start, it won't win tractionI literally could tell them this in product design ages agoI guess they don't want the eurocuck market, bbc is an american thing after allanyways
>>20993219>let me guess, you need more?Filtercoffee is nice, but I prefer espresso and espresso based coffees (or similar stuff). The closest in that regard is a mocca but that requries heating it up on the stove, cleanup etc.
>>20993180You won't find a "good" bean to cup machine for <$500 new. If you're willing to look in the used market, consider a Barista Express or local equivalent. However, if you want espresso/espresso based drinks and you don't want to faff just get a moka pot, decent grinder, and a milk steamer. Super simple and it shouldn't run you more than $200. At the very least, it will allow you to explore your tastes and decide if you have the time/interest in getting more autistic about it.
>>20993229I'm aware of that to some extent. I'll look up a Barista Express, but fundamentally the issue is what you are suggesting is basically to get into the hobby and I already looked into it and decided I didn't need another hobby. I don't need "good" coffee, I need a way to make an acceptable cup by my standards with minimum effort/skill requirement. A bean to cup machine is perfect for that. Granted the ninja is not bean to cup, but the barista assist stuff should make it so I don't have to learn espresso, so it should be acceptable.
>>20993257Have you considered just getting a grinder, good beans and using the AP you already have?>I don't want or need a hobby regarding coffee, I really just want an easy way to make a decently tasty coffee each day, preferably without being able to fuck it up.This is like ideal scenario for the AP.
>>20993277Kinda, but while the workflow for the AP is already pretty nice (I really like how easy it is to clean and who easy the used grounds pop out), I do prefer the kind of velvety mouthfeel of an espresso (I don't really have the vocabulary to explain it, sorry) and I still have to manually boil water, measure out the ingredients and then stand there with a timer. Granted that's the time to boil + 3 minutes + cleanup time, so it's not long, but I find the idea of pressing a button and being done with it (or in the case of the ninja pressing two buttons and moving the portafilter-esque thingy to the grouphead) pretty appealing.
>>20993284I'm just looking at the features you value in the ninjas. Aeropress already lets you approximate filter, single shots and americanos, does cold brew and cold press, and it doesn't seem like you give a fuck about milk. But you already have a French press to froth up some (hot or cold) when you want. I think you're looking at wasting some money. 500 eurokeks would go a long way into a grinder kettle and scale and will give you much tastier coffee.
My friend is bringing over "the best coffee in the world" that he claims "blows Jamaican Blue Mountain out of the water" but he refuses to tell me what type of coffee it is. Warmly waiting for him to come and will report on if he succeeded or not
>>20992465Comfy set up, you grow any other stuff?
>>20993309its PNG.
>>20991669Mine comes in 1-3 days, kinda hoping it's not the GOAT since 80 bucks a lb is a lot of money...
>>20993295>and it doesn't seem like you give a fuck about milk.I have one of those electric frothers for 15 bucks that automatically makes a okay-ish milk foam. You may notice a pattern in that I prefer the ease of use of that over the manual method in a french press. >500 eurokeks would go a long way into a grinder kettle and scale and will give you much tastier coffee.The issue is that what you are offering me is a great solution to someone who likes having a ritual each morning where they make coffee in a minful manner and can perfect their technique by changing each variable. That's totally cool as a hobby, but it's not what I'm after. It's a bit like if I said I wanted a lightweight tablet so I can take notes on the go and you'd suggest that rather than me getting a cheap android tablet I'd get some arm based librebooted machine and run gentoo on it. Is it technically better, a lot more customizable and more cost effective? Probably. But it's not what I am looking for. That being said I do really appreciate your advice. The ninjas are sold out right now anyways and I haven't properly looked at the different bean to cup machines, so I'll reasses if I can't be happy with the AP assuming a good electric grinder.
>>20993351I'd say it's closer to you wanting a 9in chinese android tablet without access to the play store when you already have a 'flagship' 7in android phone that works fine, you're just too lazy to find a decent note taking app. Its a solution seeking a problem, but its your money at the end of the day. >perfect their technique by changing each variable.You understand you don't have to autistically fiddle with a dial daily just because it exists right? You're wanting the ritual of watching and waiting for something else to automagically do the work for you. I'm saying buy a grinder, toss a scoop of beans into it and flip a switch. It's probably going to be better than what a ninja arbitrarily spits out. And if it's not you've got all the range in the world to tweak.
>>20993351What we're saying is that spending $$$ on a cheap version of a nice thing is usually not worth it, and that instead you should spend the same amount on a nice version of a simple thing. Products in the former camp will usually involve compromises in QC, capability, or convenience that will cause a headache down the line. It seems like you're OK with this. For maximum easy maybe you should consider "premium" coffee concentrates that you dissolve in boiling water.
>>20993408>>20993378I guess I'm partially to blame, because by asking in a coffee thread I am asking people who are enthusiastic about coffee, but is it not valid to prioritize convenience over quality? I used the technology analogy earlier because that's an area where I am on the other end of the spectrum. I'm running pretty customized arch and have my development environment just the way I want it, but if my mother asks me to help her setup her computer, I'll install windows and firefox on it and that's it. The core issue is that you guys are optimizing for the best possible final cup with your money, which is totally valid, but that's for hobbyists and enthusiasts. I'm trying to optimize for a decent cup with the least amount of hassle involved. If I could just magically have a cup of coffee appear each morning in my kitchen that tasted somewhat better than the supermarket slop I usually buy (and had less sugar in it) I'd be happy with that. The issue is that all the options you guys are offering are all to make it a ritual each morning, and I don't want or need that in my life right now.I actually considered coffee concentrates and even the nespresso pods because they are certainly convenient, but they are pretty expensive over time and I don't like the whole environmental aspect of them much. Then again, with most bean to cup machines in that price bracket you only get a 2 year warranty too, and if those break it's a shitton of e-waste too (most don't look particularly repairable).
>>20993351>I have one of those electric frothers for $15 No you don't. You have a wisk. Unless you got a nanofoamer 2nd hand cause they don't cost $15 and nothing else creates nanofoam.>I don't want a hobbyThen buy coffee at a Cafe. If all you want to do is press a button then you're not getting better coffee. If you can put in a modicum of effort then the Oracle touch was made for you. It's also expensive but thems the breaks in the coffee market.
>>20993445>No you don't. You have a wisk. A whisk implies the handheld ones, I mean the ones that are one countertop unit so you don't have to do anything while they do their thing. "Milk frother" is a pretty generic term for that whole category of devices, noone talked about nanofoam.>>20993445>Then buy coffee at a Cafe.Sure anon, that sounds like exactly what I need, an additional step in my commute each day and waiting until it's my turn. What's not to love.>If all you want to do is press a button then you're not getting better coffee.I don't know how many ways I can say I don't want "better coffee" in a global sense, I want "better coffee" compared to the shit sold refrigerated in supermarkets. I don't think you anons understand the desire to not want an additional hobby or be giga autistic about your favorite subject matter, but again, that's my mistake for asking in a thread filled with enthusiasts.
>>20993456And I literally answered your question. The Orcale touch is made for you. Can't afford it too bad.
>>20993435Just buy a grinder and an Aeropress if you want convenient decent coffee. It's the path I chose, and it's both allowed me to have coffee that's better than a chain and within spitting distance of quality compared to a coffee shop, and saved me a ton of money.
>>20993456Get the Ninja Luxe Cafe
>>20993435>running pretty customized arch>trying to optimize for a decent cup with the least amount of hassle involvedYou know how "smart" devices tend to be way more hassle than they're worth? We're trying to avoid that scenario for you. You're going to drop $500 and be perturbed by the inherent limitations. You're essentially wanting to buy a shitty brewer and even shittier grinder, with a shitty basic algorithm to adjust things for you. I'm telling you get a decent grinder, use the decent brewer you already own, and become that shitty algorithm. Noone is telling you to keep a journal of all your brew variables. Going from preground to fresh ground (or just "make" your own preground weekly) in an aeropress is going to yield a much better experience. But its your money.
>>20993456 Bottom line is this. For 500 reichshekels you're not going to find something that has makes "good" coffee from self-supplied beans at the push of a button without ANY kind of setup/cleanup afterwards. I find it hard to believe that you can't spare the 30 seconds that it takes to clean out an Aeropress. At this rate you should buy a supply of ice cream cones so you don't have to wash your cup afterwards. Want supermarket tier coffee with supermarket level convenience? Get a pod machine or deal with concentrates. Want something better that requires no effort on your end? Get a nice ($2000+) superauto with lavazza dark roast on auto-delivery. It's what I got my parents when they asked for something to make morning espresso with minimum effort.
>>20993487>You know how "smart" devices tend to be way more hassle than they're worth?I know what you are trying to get at with the analogy, but smart devices are only more hassle than they're worth if you try to leave the ecosystem and do something with them that they weren't intended for.For me who may want to automate stuff with home assistant and make sure it all runs locally and I have maximum control over the PID values within my smart thermostat, a cheap smart device is shit. But for a friend who just wants a smart thermostat where he opens an app, selects a temperature and is done with it, it'll work just fine. But this specific metaphor aside, I do get what you are trying to say.>>20993491>Bottom line is this. For 500 reichshekels you're not going to find something that has makes "good" coffee from self-supplied beans at the push of a button without ANY kind of setup/cleanup afterwards.The issue is that friends with cheap-ish bean to cup machines make coffee that I consider adequate, so the whole idea that I have to pay 2k for decent coffee (by my standards) is just not true. I get that it's sub-par for a connoisseur, but I am not one and don't intend to become one. I'd probably be happy with the phillips 3300 too and I was just wondering if the ninja or other alternatives would be better. That's pretty much cleanup free, other than emptying the drip tray and running some descaler once a month through it. >>20993481Well it's not in stock right now, but I'm still considering it. Maybe until it gets in stock I get a chance to see one in person and not just online.>>20993476That's gonna be my fallback if I decide not to get a bean to cup machine.
>>20993502Best of luck. I hope you think about this exchange next time you try to convince your friends to not lust after shiny "convenient" plastic when way better options exist.
>>20993509>Best of luck.Thanks anon. I know you are being sarcastic, but I do genuinely appreciate all of you anons trying to give advice, even if ultimately the things you value and the advice you are giving me doesn't fit what I am looking for. I know it's coming from a good place in the end.
>>20993502 It seems like you know what you're looking for. If you're totally intransigent on your desires/restrictions, probably any machine you consider will give you a comparable experience. I'm not sure if europe has been infected by black friday consumerism yet, but if so, now may be the best time to get what you're looking for.
>>20993513>infected by black friday consumerism yetIt has. Less than america, but obviously amazon and such are trying to push it on us too these days. Thanks for the advice anon.
>>20993510You want a way to make coffee daily without fucking up. The ninja just doesn't provide that. It fucks up, then suggests that you change the grind, banding between too coarse and too fine, then suggests you change it again without ever accounting for how the output actually tastes. Dumb logic that you can provide yourself.>shot choked>adjust coarser>shot dumped out liquid>adjust finer>hit arbitrary set parameter but still tastes like shit? >can't help you there, change beans, start from step 1
>>20993502Get the phillips 3300
>>20991669https://bestofpanama.auction/auction-2024in case anyone wants to see what the highest tier of coffee looks like
>>20993596$770/kg and $822/kg Janson. Thepickychemist has some Esmeralda right now too.
>>20993148>If I make double shot espresso using a medium/dark roast I can feel my hair grow. Using a light roast I feel nothing at all.That doesn't make any sense because light roasts have more caffeine than dark
I'm putting 9g into my single shot portafilter and it's still shitIs it possible to get a solid puck with a single shot?
Anyone got the updated chart on the best manual coffee grinders? Thinking of getting the Kingrinder K6 but I want to shop around a bit first
>>20990631I can't put my finger on it, but there is just something about the way this guy looks that makes him seem really untrustworthy.
>>20993696Easier to extract from dark roasts.
>>20993772K6 is still the $100 default. 'Better' options are over twice that. Kinu+the extra pourover burr is probably the next best alternate deal.
>>20993798Yeah thanks, that's what I was thinking, just ordered it
What's the odds breville/sage releases a competitor to the dual boiler in 2025 that doesn't have shitty self tamp or inbuilt grinder crap?
>>20993878Breville is plastic shit.
what ratio does everyone pull their espresso at? i like light roasts so i'm usually in the 1:2.5 to 1:3 range with a 16 to 18 gram dose
>>209939231:4 for my light stuff on 80mm flats. 16.5 in ~65 out which is about as much as the flair58 can do consistently. Great sipper, easy to split when I need to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADnoqcns4dc>reverse rotation mod>54mm dittings fitHigh clarity for the poorfags.
>>20993756have you tried using a puck screen?
>>20993778like a used car salesman
>>20994069That would be the Turin/Espressooutlet guy. Shortage of used cars during the pandemic so he pivoted to importing containers full of df64s.
>>20993805>just ordered itK6? Or the Kinu combo?
>>20994127The K6I've already got an aeropress, I just want to swap from pre-ground coffee.
>>20993502If you want a hassle free decent espresso I would unironically get a nespresso pod machine.
What makes a Rancilio Silvia 200€ more expensive than a GCP?
>>20993778For me, it's his linguistic overcompensation which is most off-putting. Many American Youtubers are guilty of this.
Thinking about putting whipped heavy cream in my coffee
>>20994403About 200€.
First cup of coffee out of the Aeropress Premium. Fucking delicious stuff, and no microplastics. Might take some pics tomorrow.
>>20994376
>>20994462>linguistic overcompensationShut up fag. Stop making up shit to try and sound smart on a North Korean dog BBQ site.
>>20994491That's fucking disgusting anon
>>20993105They know it's NOT supposed to taste like peat, but peat is now seen as the ideal flavor in coffees
>>20994376If you've got the budget, a decent superauto will obliterate any nespresso product.
covfefe bros I need a fact check
>>20994693Yeah but that's quite a budget>Nespresso: $100>Quality super auto: $3,500
>>20994693>>20994698And also by "obliterate" you mean make a noticeably better cup out of noticeably more expensive beans, if you're willing to put a bunch of work in to dial the grind. And also /ctg/ will still shit on your choice
>>20994696https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HvsxuM7ljs
>>20994709This is a question about caffeine extraction by method not specialty vs charbucks beans
>>20989435I don't get the bottom right meme.Shouldn't it be washed < natural < anaerobic?Also what's "milky cake"?
>>20994698You can get good superautos around $1000 if you don't need milk drinks and shit.
>>20994713its brain rot, dont try and understand it.
>>20994696https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etnMr8oUSDo
>>20994742this is the one i was thinking of but i could only remember the name of the other one i posted.thanks :)
>>20994713
Bump let’s get to the new bread
>>20995007gooo
>>20995012le xD updoot
>>20995015Source?
>>20995015>>20995019Coffee? Coffee.
https://www.davidkimcoffee.com/recipe-building?srsltid=AfmBOor-Eed-eR29_j8dLsdZH25Mc1e0X1McTPeEox1YhRbr8U9IWisg trying this
>>20995081
i glicked it :(
>>20994512hilarious, nigger
>>20991697sometimes they come with pressurized ones (which still fit in the same portafilter). just check if there are a bunch of holes or just one in the middle>Now I learn you need to use needles to distribute the grounds morenot really tho. People didn't even use those at all until a few years ago. Not actually necessary to pull a shot.random site with gifshttps://home.lamarzoccousa.com/9-distribution-methods-for-making-espresso/If the shot isn't pulling at all, or taking forever to start flowing, just grind a bit coarser. It's always a bit of a game to get it right. Even if you dial it in with that coffee, if you get a different roast it might not be right. People just get good about knowing how to dial it in.tldr: grind coarser and try to have it evenly distributed before tamping, but no tool required
My mother in law bought me the Bialetti set. The Moka, a manual coffee grinder, and a manual milk frother and a bag of coffee beans.Arguably the best gift ever - the sound the Moka makes when it's on the boil first thing in the morning is like a beautiful symphony.Who else here machinetto?
>>20995311a toothpick works great
>>20995342that makes sense too
NEW BREAD BAKED>>20995397>>20995397>>20995397
>>20995311>didn't even use those at all until a few years agoHigher end brands like Londonium and Kafatek were selling versions of wdt tools about a decade ago.https://www.kafatek.com/index.php/index.php/store/distribution-tool/
>>20994585Why?
>>20995404>Thread isn't at bump limit>Thread isn't at image limit????????????????
>>20995437>>Thread isn't at bump limithow bout now?
>>20995437He wanted to sperg it up with an even worse OP.
>>20995410well whatever, they weren't commonplace. It was just a few years ago it suddenly became a thing every home barista needed
>>20995439Why is the bump limit 310 posts on this board? Fucking 4chan.
>>20995442Weiss wrote the guide back in 2005/2006. They were using cut yogurt cups for funnels back then because there weren't 5000 new aliexpress dosing funnels available.https://www.home-barista.com/weiss-distribution-technique.htmlThey weren't commonplace until a few years ago because the covid coffee boom caused a bunch of people to start making their own coffee and the esoteric forum knowledge trickled its way down into the normie scene. Cheaper, more accessible tools came to market.>it suddenly became a thing every home barista neededIt became needed for the same reason weiss had back in 05. Shitty grinders produce excessive clumps. Most people have shitty grinders. Most people buying an espresso machine for the first time in 2020 were getting Encores.
>>20995508...alrightwell, regardless of any of that, anon doesn't absolutely need that to make a shot pull. That was the whole point in context. It wouldn't hurt for him to use something like that, and anon is probably right that a toothpick works.
>>20995514Just say you don't know what you're talking about and move on.
>>20995540oh, didn't realize you were a retarded nigger.Didn't know this was some autistic pissing contest. You were just pissing on your own.I appreciate the info, though I wasn't completely ignorant to it, either. The point still stands that he can work with what he has to pull a shot.
>>20995549A shitty espresso is still an espresso I guess. No point in trying to improve it, just piss out some brown water.
>>20995563Nothing wrong with making improvements, my autistic friend. Especially when you get the basics down.Who told you that improvements were bad?
>>20995566Improvements aren't necessary. If you don't need it, you don't need it.
>>20995574Ah, well can't say I agree with that, but to each their own.Just say that you're an autist who can't communicate and move on.
>>20995577I educated you on a topic you had/have no idea about. Pretty effective communication.
>>20995591I’m sure you’d think so. I don’t mind your attempts to educate. You clearly missed the spirit of the comment you were replying to, though. Or you just don’t know when to admit you’re wrong. Understandable, but kinda funny on an anon board.
>>20995970The comment I replied to was a retard telling someone else wdt didn't exist before a few years ago because he was unaware of it. Completely wrong. Its stuck around for nearly two decades for a reason. It works. If I wanted to argue about the necessity of it, I'd have included it in the quote.
>>20996015i accept your concession
>>20996367>things don't exist until hoffmeme makes a video on them
>>20996527no nigger it should have been obvious I was talking about pulling a shot at home with his equipment. It was obvious hyperbole. It was in response to him not being able to pull a shot and then saying "now I learn you *need* ...".I wasn't saying "nobody had ever used that technique at all until a few years ago"learn2context
>>20995508I bought one just because it’s worth $15 to keep 100% of the grounds in my portafilter.
