>write chud caricature to make fun of chuds>the audience relates to him and likes him more than your intended self insertwhat are some other cases of fumbles in character writing?
>>146071403His mistake was making him three dimensional
>>146071403The Joker movies are the obvious most recent case.>being mentally ill fucking sucks, huh?>>wow yeah, that really speaks to me>get raped, chudcel.
>>146071472These are just little reminders of what should be done to your kind, but civilized ethics protect you from.
>>146071403I remember hearing about how the feminist director of this movie hated Punisher and male angst/machismo and made the movie to make fun of the tropes of action filmsBut then, I also heard that was a lie, so now idk
>>146071403>write chud caricature to make fun of chudsWrong already.Rorschach is the only real choice for a self-insert.
>>146071865>smelly sexless hypocritical conspiracy theorist with a violence streakYep sounds like 4chan
>>146071403what is this self insert shit and how did you find a way to make threads about this quote more annoying
>>146071403spamming retard >>>/tv/204783957
>>146071403Soviets lost you old commie.
Wasn't Cartman from South Park originally conceived as a character meant to be hated by the audience?
I swear the whole discourse around Rorschach vs author's intentions is nothing but pure schizophrenia. Moore wrote Rorschach as a multifaceted and sympathetic character, not a hate sink or someone without admirable traits. He is just upset with people who take every single thing the character says at face value.
>>146072104>hypocritical dropping bombs on a genocidal aggressor so your people and your allies wouldn't have to suffer anymore the war the aggressors have started and are continuously refusing to stop isn't an equivalent of the squid. No matter how much you, Moore, and other left wing criminal lovers wish to side with the fucking Axis countries and undermine the atrocities their victims (who were no longer fighting back) have suffered.
>>146071403We've been over this topic a million times. What is wrong with you? Don't you get tired of yourself? Saying these dumb terms and saying the same things about the same topics?
>>146073426Only a leftoid cuck would get tired
>>146071472Imagine falling for a /pol/ meme.
>>146071403Alan Moore likes his violent anti-villain characters. Hyde in LoEG another one. A violent rapist cannibal who redeems himself by self-sacrifice at the end.
>>146071403Who do you presume is Moore's self-insert?
>>146073503>I feel like Chinese.
>>146071403British commies seem to have a habit of this.Judge Dredd is meant to be a criticism of fascism, but it accidentally shows fascism is necessary in a crime ridden degenerate society.
>>146071403He shouldn't have made him the only character willing to to do the right thing in the finale then.
>>146073569>The right thingThe right thing to lie to the masses because they're stupid.
>>146073563fascism wasn't even about being strict about the rule of law. SS was formed out of criminals from prison, because they were needed to do what the Wehrmacht wouldn't, and the Wehrmacht ended up trying to remove Hitler.Not to mention fascists also have illegally crossed borders, but the left is a fan of that and calls fascist those who want to do what Hitler's enemies were doing about the issue
>>146073376That's not Rorschach's reasoning thoughDo you agree with Rorschach about Moloch's apricot pills?
>>146074140Rorschach is a nuanced character, if you solely see what his journal says or what he says out loud as the gospel and don’t take into account his actions then it’s a very different storyHe clearly has major sympathy for people. Dude was about to beat the shit out of the landlady for lying to the news about him trying to sleep with her but didn’t because her kids were around.He says he hates all the people of New York and thinks it’s scum that should drown in blood but also spends his whole life trying to prevent crime and evil people doing their deeds. And cannot abide the idea of Ozymandias callously sacrificing them all in some Machiavellian scheme He lets moloch keep those pills because it’s pointless anyway. He is dying of cancer quickly. The pills don’t even work. And on a pragmatic level it isn’t helpful to Rorschach to try and get this dude locked up when he’s pretty much his only source for this conspiracy theory and his only “crime” is some hippy fake medicine Ultimately it’s bizarre. No matter what Alan Moore or whoever says. Rorschach was right.The story itself ends quite convincingly with a worried and doubtful Ozymandias seeing Manhattan leaving a weird nuclear mushroom cloud effect behind saying “nothing ever ends”And Rorschach’s journal exposing pretty much everything for anyone with basic intuition that Ozymandias is behind the squid. Especially since they can confirm all the shit in the journal like Rorschach’s escape from prison with nite owl It’s funny because both in doomsday clock and in the watchmen show. Two very different “sequels”. Rorschach turns out to be right AND they expose the truth of what Ozymandias did.In the gay ass HBO one they shit on Rorschach the whole show only for Laurie to decide Ozymandias just now be exposed… bitch, that’s what Rorschach wanted forty years ago
>>146073634Yeah because smart people compare migrants and basically homeless people in raggedy shit with armies that have tanks and artillery along with millions of jackboots. You're so smart anon, pat yourself on the back.>>146073563Judge Dredd isn't fascist, it's just authoritarian which the Left can do equally well. If it were fascist the Judges would only be shooting at some oppressed group along the borders or for some arbitrary trait, instead of actual criminals and violent lawbreakers doing their gimee.
>>146074212But the judges do shoot at people outside the walls of mega city 1 who try to enter. That’s the whole point of the walls, to stop the mutants and freaks coming in
>>146074194Could it be, that he's a well-written character that isn't immediately black or white as far as whether he's a bad person? Like I don't know, some sort of ambiguous shade of gray?If Moore was trying to apply objectivist ethos and write a 2D morality character he completely failed on that front.
>>146074225I didn't know that. Are the dudes outside like Mad Max styled barbarians or just weirdo mutants trying to get in?
>>146074194>The story itself ends quite convincingly with a worried and doubtful Ozymandias seeing Manhattan leaving a weird nuclear mushroom cloud effect behind saying “nothing ever ends”>Quite convincinglyTo be fair, Manhattan's comments here are (literally) nebulous.He's clipping through a model of the solar system when he says this, and he's talking about flying into space and starting new life.Manhattan isn't telling Ozy that his plans failed or that war's incoming, he's doing the whole nihilist redditor mental of "What does it matter if you did right? The sun's gonna explode anyway, and life will start from the dust all over again just like I'm about to do. LATER MONKEYS!"
>>146074194>Rorschach is a nuanced characterI'm not saying he isn't. He's maybe my favorite character, certainly my favorite during my latest reread.But things like these just show that his principles are a sham. He claims his actions follow from his principles but his actions actually follow from his emotions, with the principles filled in as needed.Rorschach threatens Moloch about his apricot pills because he hates Moloch, and relents out of sympathy. He says he threatens him because the pills are illegal but he's obviously just looking for an excuse, I don't think he gives that much of a shit about the FDA. If he didn't hate Moloch he wouldn't have brought it up, if he hated Moloch more he might have reported him regardless.He threatens his landlady because he feels deeply revolted and embarrassed by what the papers said, then spares her because the kids remind him of how he himself grew up.These are not the actions of a principled man. These are the actions of a very emotional man who can't bring himself to admit he even has emotions.His principles are whatever feels right in the moment. The border between black and white shifts constantly. (Like his mask. Geddit?)Rorschach is not wrong about everything but he's certainly a hypocrite.
Archie Bunker of course. He was supposed to make fun of chuds but chuds loved the character.
>>146074236Both. They also exile mutants, certain criminals and judges when they retire
>>146074212>much poor migrants I love how you don't even try to sell them as women and children.How do you call Jews who migrated to Israel?
>>146071403Rorschach is the only character terrible with a sense of justice that tries to move the plot forward. The rest of them hardly care.
>>146074698>I love how you don't even try to sell them as women and children.Narrative died the minute you look at who is actually crossing the borders and realizes its 90%+ men.
>>146071403It's not that deep. Moore's a champagne socialist. He'll bitch and moan about the Ozymandias's of the world like Nite Owl, but he'll never do anything against them other than mope and cope like a petulant child. Even when Rorschach is lambasted by Moore's hackneyed bullshit, he's the only one standing up to Ozy's utilitarian fascism and letting the people know about his noble lie even in death while Moore & Nite Owl types jerk themselves off in the corner about their woe is me quisling bullshit.
>>146072511>>>/tv/204805518
>>146073610truth > lieif this isn't your constant then you're morally bankrupt
>>146075456Sometimes telling the truth can be a harmful thing.
>>146075585well duh, truth is a fucking infohazard. See the beginning of The Beginningthe thing is that no matter what, bitter truth is still better that sweet lies
>>146075600I didn't say bitter, I said harmful. You can cause harm by using the truth at the wrong time. That's morally wrong.
>>146073035He was described by Tratt as "the garbage in both their souls" until they went from making him just a racist fat idiot into some evil genius with Kyle as even more of his buttmonkey.
>>146071472>>146071496My thing is, even if you don't condone his actions, he's a sympathetic character that has mental issues. Unlike comic Joker who actually deserves to fucking die, Arthur Fleck needs help.
>>146073290On the actual page, I always giggle at Rorschach's :3 face when he looks away.
>>146071403Everyone misinterprets this quote. His problem isn't that people relate to Rorschach, but that they look up to him.>>146071472Arthur getting raped is just a continuation of how society exploits the mentally ill.
>>146071403>>write chud caricature to make fun of chudsWatchmen was written years before the rise of CHUDs
I genuinely don't think he's telling the full truth in that interview, at least in a retroactive sense.The whole sequence where Rorschach humbles the black psychiatrist guy feels like like it's genuinely supposed to validate Rorschach and his perspective. Maybe it's part of himself that Moore isn't proud of, so he disowns it now.
>>146071496Top post, anon. I, too, am an exploiter of the mentally ill. Did you know you will never be a woman?
>alan mooreJust imagine the smell.Why was Rorschach his voice in Watchmen?
>>146076286Moore definitely wrote some of himself into Rorschach. That might be why he doesn't understand fans admiring him, because writing him was probably a heavy ordeal full of anguish.
>>146073376Both sides would get wiped out and the survivors would suffer an irradiated wasteland.
do you retards have any valid reason for hating rorschach that isn't 'my favorite media essay youtuber said he was a chud'
>>146071403>Mr peanut Butter was supposed main antagonist of Bojack Horseman starting at season 1>Mr Peanut Butter was supposed to be a stand in you mock Tim Allen for being a conservative in Hollywood>Writers backed off making Mr Peanut butter the bad guy because the Audience up liking him better than Bojack HorsemanFriendly reminder season 1 set up a lot of story beat’s that went no where.
>>146075600Spreading infohazards is immoral.
He's just Moore's take/parody of this guy isn't he
>>146071533This would be a very different movie if it was made today.
>>146077019Given Moore is a leftist and most leftists hate Ayn Rand, it's not surprising
>>146076932Really damn glad they didn't go that route.I don't even care that much for Mr. Peanut butter that much, but given that Bojak never particularly liked or trusted him in the first place, having him be an antagonistic would have been a lame twist.
>>146071403This quote will never stop being an autism trap.
>>146076932Eliminate Diane & Todd then actually have Mr. Peanut Butter be fake squeaky clean nice guy. Fixes the show right there.
>>146076866I love Rorschach, and I also like Moore and his work. A lot of people seem to be on one side or the other, and that makes no sense to me.
>>146076286Moore never actually says Rorschach is "wrong"(there is no clear right or wrong in Watchmen), just that he's flawed and some dork who thinks he's literally him and Rorschach's story is his own is attaching himself too much to the character
Moore ever say shit about them adapting Watchmen into DC universe MCU movie style garbage writing, making a sequel, and doing all their general shenanigans to modernize the cast and concepts?
>>146071403So what kind of comic book Alan Moore writez that is worth reading?
idc about any of that but take a look at thishttps://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:4831815043842161
>>146073290I think Moore retroactively changed it because who were Rorschach biggest fan and how these consevartive opinions became spouted by Mage tards.This is like a girl who shouts rape or a boy who fucked a fat girl saying he was drunk. They dont want other to think they liked it.
>>146076286The psychiatrist ultimately dies trying to help a stranger on the street, a direct opposite of Rorschach's opening gutter speech. The psychiatrist's initial attitude is phony and Rorschach's experience is real but Rorschach's reaction to it is rejected
>>146078719Most of his comics:>Watchmen>From Hell>Swamp Thing >Miracleman >Tom Strong>Top Ten>League of Extraordinary Gentlemen >Promethea >Halo Jones>Providence >V for Vendetta>Supreme>For the Man Who Has Everything >Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?>Majestic>A Small Killing>The Birth Caul>his Green Lantern short comics
>>146071533I want Marvel to do a short about the Punishers getting killed by Cassandra Nova. Like the Dirty Dozen or Seven Samurai with a downer ending. Just an adrenaline fueled nightmare of violence as as many bad guys as you can find who are still alive from the pre-MCu marvel. Including shit like one-off villains from the old Spiderman cartoon and She-Hulk from that movie that never got made. I want this to be a bloodsoaked nightmare straight off an edgy heavy metal album cover. Frank Castle’s Final case>>146077235They also seem to misunderstand that sad troubled woman. She was trying to create an ethical system to counteract the evil allure of communism by creating a morality where charity is a vice. A bit like treating lung cancer by ripping your lungs out, but her heart was in the right place. Bioshock is a great deconstruction of objectivism because Andrew Ryan is a great man destroyed both by his own weakness and his philosophy he fails to live up to. In the end he rejects it entirely by sacrificing himself to save his son. It’s a Greek tragedy.
>>146071403>>the audience relates to himThis never actually happened
>>146073634>SS was formed out of criminals from prisonNo it wasn’t
>>146080029Eh? Doesn’t Rorschach die trying to stop Veidt and expose him?Seems like Rorschach explaining human agency is exactly why the psychiatrist helped a random dude in the face of absolute destruction
>>146080099What about Lost Girls?
>>146073500was joker 2 good? Did you enjoy it?
>>146080518Haven't read it. I want to read Peter Pan and Wendy and the rest first.
>>146080517Exactly this anon, you got it right.
>>146075456The morally frugal thing is to lie to the masses because they're stupid.
>>146074736>Men don't matter because I cannot fuck brown dudesWow, misandrist much?
>>146071403Wasn't he based on The Question?
>>146080324No, she really was just a selfish greedy bitch who was still seething that the goobermint took her parent's shop away and she had to work for a living like 99.999% of the planet unlike her spoilt jewish family prior.
>>146081962yes
>>146082418>Even though he disagrees with his views. He refuses to make him a stereotype.Wtf I love Alan Moore now
>>146079958>retroactively changedMoore doesn't say that Rorschach is a villain or anything. Just that he was a smelly weirdo.Which he would've thought in the 80's too.
>>146073290I mean, can't both be true? I do agree Moore wrote Rorschach with humanity and nuance in mind; he wouldn't have told Dan he was a good friend otherwise. Like >>146079958 said though, I also think Moore had a pretty kneejerk reaction to people liking Rorschach more than he thought they should.Probably felt the takeaway should be "nobody really gets what they wanted to begin with, it's a terrible situation but it's the one they all think is best for the world" rather than "Rorschach died with integrity in his heart and justice on his mind"
>>146080324...I'm not against putting Meme Gun Man in his place, but why Cassandra Nova in particular? Why not Umar the Unrelenting, or Ultron if you want to put Frank through suffering for it's own sake instead of some C-list mutie? Hell if you want to really humiliate Frank send Squirrel Girl after his ass.
>>146076932>>Mr peanut Butter was supposed main antagonist of Bojack Horseman starting at season 1They did a horrible job, then. He's a little overbearing and annoying at worst.
>>146074636Right on the money. I think ultimately Rorschach is a man with a deep and powerful desire to do good but due to the circumstance of life that desire has been warped and caked in brutal cynicism. There are cracks every now and again where you can see his more noble nature desperately try and reach out to the surface but he's so beaten down and broken it has no chance to break free. There are aspect of Rorschach that are commendable but ultimately he is more of a warning of what happens when a good man tries to cope with trauma by adopting an extremely flawed belief system.
>>146071403That line is only in the movie which Moore didn't write and refused to see or comment on.
>>146071403>write chud caricatureChuds just talk shit online, generally anonymously. Rorschach was out murdering rapists and kidnappers. Chuds dream of kidnapping and raping. He is not a Chud.
>>146074636Based. There are entirely valid reasons to root for him given what a shitshow Watchmen's world is, but if the man practiced what he preached he'd have a lot more control over his emotions.
>>146071403For some reason I don't think that quote is real, it sounds very fake.
>>146082996I think it's less "liking" Rorschach and more "idolizing" Rorschach.
>>146083046Not to defend the Chuds, but the same could be said of the SJWs.What's more, they are worse in this defect.
>>146083060I dunno about idolising, that's like saying most people unironically idolised Arthur Fleck in the first Joker movie. I just think that Moore thought his standoff with Manhattan was supposed to be taken purely as a tragedy, and not a martyrdom.
>>146071403I am exhausted by this quote being posted. Moore was talking about a specific type of fan. I have met Alan Moore. I have read his interviews. Seen him in TV appearances on British television. He is a quiet and kind man. Heck, one time a protester with a V mask started talking about the movie having never read the comic and Alan is perfectly nice to him. DC once used his friend's terminal illness to pressure him into new agreements. Even to the late 00s, he would still sign comic books until that situation happened. His daughter made it clear that even now he loves comics but he is also an old man who gives "old man yells at cloud" type answers sometimes because he has moved on and doesn't like people seeking him out to endlessly go on about the past. Comic book fans take his quotes so personally because his work is often used as a life raft to claim comics are serious business and art whilst simultaneously those same people like nothing but trash and feel insulted by Moore or don't even like his work in any great depth or understanding. Alan has written a bunch of books and even appeared in a movie. He likes local projects now. He made some good comics, he's worried about his influence, he didn't destroy comics but the industry did do objectively nasty things to him. But every other day we have to be subjected to the same bait threads. Take some of this with a grain of salt and put it in proper context. Heck, half of his "magic is real" shit is just sardonic jokes that people took too seriously.
>>146077019>>146081962yes
>>146083089Yeah SJWs are generally more social and organised, so in practice they get more mileage out of shitting on people and making the world a worse place without getting distracted and just watching porn or playing vidya instead
>>146083095I think he has some of the most abhorrent political stances imaginable but I agree with this, the amount of outright bad-faith baiting is really dumb.
>>146083095>I have met Alan Moore[citation needed]In all seriousness I've gone from amused indifference at Moore making capeshitters seethe to bafflement that Promethea was much more of a soapbox than I was hoping for to disappointment with League to sympathy for getting screwed over by DC after the company consistently makes the worst decisions possible even from an entertainment perspective. I dunno what he's doing after that one massive book he wrote, but I'm glad he's having fun with it.Also him enjoying Saturday Morning Watchmen is based
>>146083113>abhorrent political stances imaginableBut yeah also this, like I said Promethea is VERY on the nose about how everything would magically get better if chaos took the world
>>146083139>[citation needed]I have a photo with him but I am also in the picture (and I ain't posting it here). I have met his daughter too. He was really nice and interesting to talk to, good sense of humour and wit. You get none of that from the endlessly slither of bait quotes people post! >I dunno what he's doing after that one massive book he wrote, but I'm glad he's having fun with it.Jerusalem might be the book you're thinking of? I mean he's done a magazine, other books, comics, anthologies, essays, a movie, radio, appeared in plenty of places.He's just released this month:>The Moon and Serpent Bumper Book of Magic. The most acclaimed writer in comics history, Alan Moore, joins his late mentor Steve Moore (no relation) for one last graphic grimoire: a sprawling and stunning introduction to magic in all its timeless forms, brought to life by six wondrous and whimsical artists.and>The Great When: A Long London Novel. In 2023, it was announced that Moore is a writing a new fantasy series called "The Long London". The first book of the series, "The Great When", released on 1 October 2024. This series will consist of five books.[75] The second book of the series is named as "I Hear A New World".[88]>>146083113Even then I feel like some people take some of his politics or discussions too definitively?
>>146083139He made a fun little movie. It didn't quite jive with me but it was fun seeing him as a freaky moon man.
>>146083198I'm genuinely curious, where did you meet him? A con or something? Everything I've heard about him makes him sound like a rather affable and down to earth dude.
>>146071403I think it's funny that Moore falls back on the kneejerk insults of hygiene and sexual activity. Like if these people were bathing and getting laid, it would make Rorschach less sympathetic as a vigilante that brutally kills degenerates that no one likes. Batman couldn't exist in real life. Everyone would figure out who he was immediately.
>>146083222I was at a signing event many years ago in his home town. Had a long conversation with him and he gave me some biscuits (he made a joke about them). He talked a bit about V for Vendetta, New Labour (Tony Blair) and other stuff. He really is that affable/down to earth dude. I talked to people who just see him out and about and they said the same. Heard some anecdotes and things. I believe that people take Alan Moore too seriously when they should take him somewhat with humour, and sometimes the opposite. You can tell I am a fan, of course there are things I like and dislike about his work. But comicbook fans have gotten such a wrong impression of him, especially on /co/, it is insane.
>>146083204I did see that movie, actually. If anything I'm disappointed with how little freaky moon man there was in it. It reminded me of something I could see on local British TV a few decades ago. >>146083198>JerusalemYeah that's the one, if he's made content more recent than that or the movie I'm not up to date on it.>The Long London...huh, this is right up my alley. I'm cramming for something right now but I should pick it up when I have time. I'd give Moon and Serpent a shot too but I know enough occult trivia by now than I'm worried I'll set myself up for disappointment like with Gaiman's babby-tier norse myth collection
>>146083407>>The Long London>...huh, this is right up my alley.>From the New York Times bestselling author and legendary storyteller Alan Moore, the first book in an enthralling new fantasy series about murder, magic, and madness in post-WWII London.>If this London is what they call the Smoke, then that place is the Fire...>The year is 1949, the city London. Amidst the smog of the capital stumbles Dennis Knuckleyard, a hapless eighteen year-old employed by a second-hand bookshop. One day, on an errand to acquire books for sale, Dennis discovers a novel that simply does not exist. It is a fictitious book, a figment from another novel. Yet it is physically there in his hands. How?>Dennis has stumbled on a book from the Great When, a magical version of London beyond time and space, where reality blurs with fiction and concepts such as Crime and Poetry are incarnated as wondrous, terrible beings. But this other, magical London must remain a secret: if Dennis cannot find a way to return this book to where it belongs, he risks repercussions, such as his body being turned inside out (or worse).>So begins a journey delving deep into the city's occult underbelly and tarrying with an eccentric cast of sorcerers, gangsters, and murderers – some from legend, some all too real, and all with plans of their own. Soon Dennis finds himself at the centre of an explosive series of events that may alter and endanger both Londons forever...
>>146083426Kind of reminds me of Gaiman's Neverwhere? But then again magic x London has been done a plenty.
>>146083435Yeah, Un Lun Dun comes to mind. Honestly I wish "my local city, but it's R-rated Wonderland at night" was a more common genre outside of...I don't know, Murakami?
>>146074758How is Moore a Quisling?
>>146074758You say that like being a real socialist would be better.
>write a story to explore and discuss things>people use your story to pretend comics are literature or deep>same people worship the characters against the whole point of the discussion Comics fans want several contradictory things at once
>>146083652Doesn't help that the Big 2 treat comics fans like battered spouses
>>146083652All in service of a character that was made to be a walking contradiction
>>146077019Moore wishes. It's rather that Rorschach is a Kantian through and through.
>>146083785Comic fans desperately want their interest to be taken seriously but also refuse to do it themselves.
>>146077235Moore is very nice about Ditko though. He was in that Ditko documentary and chatted about him as a true original voice.
>>146071472>"Wait people actually feel bad for the tragic Character wrote and blame the people responsible for his life being shit. This makes me ANGRY!"Man that director is so fucking retarded.
>>146083874If you watched the Hangover 3 you would have seen this coming rather easily.
>>146083818You know, that's one thing anime definitively has over comics: Genuine passion. I think the medium has lost a lot of the storytelling traits that got me into it in the first place, I think all the current major shounens are immensely flawed, but when you talk to a JJK or MHA fan the general response is sincere passion for the themes and events of the narrative. Even if that's expressed as YO BIG RAGA THE OPP STOPPA.The only discourse I see about comics is political grandstanding from both sides, shipping, and nostalgia for whacky characters that the company barely remembers exist like Snowflame or for events from decades ago. Nobody is following current comics with anywhere near the same intensity as even MHA when the ending through the fanbase into uproar.
>>146071472poor arthur he can't catch a break even his own director and franchise victimizes him
>>146072139Dipper is a chad, cope
>>146083896>Nobody is following current comics with anywhere near the same intensityI do, although I find it is a mostly solitary pursuit. So many interests feel hard to share these days whether because of too much content, social media, various other modern issues. I go to the odd small comics specific convention or shoot the shit in my LCS. But like 95% of /co/ don't read comics and don't care to. It's difficult. Trying to talk about comics on here is like instantly preparing to go on the defensive from people who will instantly say it's shit. All the problems in the industry we can endlessly list and we can ultimately ignore them all and boil it down to that, comics ain't cool and people have no passion for them.
>>146082488Some of that carried over into Rorschach, except he also made him more psychologically troubled than what he would have done with The Question.
>>146076219>His problem isn't that people relate to Rorschach, but that they look up to him.History repeats itself forever. People jokingly say "lol he's literally me" and pearl clutching jackasses go>UGH! HOW COULD YOU HERO WORSHIP AND IDOLIZE SUCH A HORRENDOUS CHARACTER?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!? ACTUALLY GLORIFYING AND CELEBRATING SUCH A REPULSIVE PIECE OF FICTION?! YOU SHOULD GO DIE RIGHT NOW FOR BEING SO AWFUL!!Because that's a very sane, rational, and sensible way to comprehend a completely toothless, humorous statement.
>>146084168>People jokingly say "lol he's literally me" I'd believe that if there weren't so many Rorschach threads spammed so frequently out of butthurt.
>>146084057>comics ain't cool and people have no passion for them.I picked up Vertigo when I was young, enjoyed it, never thought about comics again, and then only started following actual capeshit during Darkseid War out of morbid curiosity at how bizarre it was. Ironically I feel I'm effectively in the same boat as you, but instead of coming from a sincere place of passion I'm just autistic and willing to follow ongoing things like Babs and Absolute Wonder Woman just to see how bad they can get instead of any real expectations they'll actually get good.
>>146084286>going from Vertigo to Darkseid WarDamn, that is one hell of a quality whiplash.
>>146071403Bojack Horseman
>>146084168Yeah sure man, nobody ever relates to a character in a sincere and genuine way, it's all just a big joke, like the Comedian said.
>>146084168>thread about moore being mad at those who look up to rorschach>make up cartoonish stance so you can get even more mad at the guy getting mad at otherssane, rational, and sensible indeed
>>146084323>>146084408Relating to a character isn't the same as worshiping and idolizing that character as the exact kind of person you wish to be. And yet, people like Moore, and countless others, see people displaying basic human empathy, a common result of moderately competent character writing, and assume the worst, more exaggerated interpretation of "I related to that character" for any reason, as being idolization. They did it with Joker, too. They were terrified of an incel uprising and more theater shootings, because they expected the "lol literally me" crowd to become a violent mob, all because of a profound lack of empathy and understanding on the part of the pearl clutching faggots.
>>146084298I know right?! On my first go I was so baffled by the experience that I started rereading parts because I was convinced I somehow missed important plot developments like trying to find the (non-existent) rest of the Darkseid vs Anti-Monitor fight. Or figure out why Superwoman had laser eyes when in the New 52 her backstory was being an evil Amazon.
>>146083896yeah
>>146084443Moore got crowded halfway down the stairs and at the urinals by people gushing about Rorschach. It wasn't a basic display of anything.
>>146084443Moore was talking about the fanboys who look at Rorschach and say "literally me," not the normal adults with functioning brains who see him as the complex and somewhat sympathetic freak he was intended to be.
>>146071403>write a woman who stays strong in the face of horrific trauma and literal retards to get everyone to stay alive>even saves a complicit retard participator in a society that eats aborted fetuses and robs then kills travelers>'flaw' is she sees value in the equivalent of a coma patient she wants to save>her advice is constantly ignored, person she saved makes moves on her boyfriend, and the coma patient is killed right in front of her>it's intended that she's unlikable and horrible for acting negatively to all of this
>>146085191I don't know what this is but it looks like furshit.
>>146076932It's a genuine miracle bojack managed to keep it together for the first few seasons before it all unraveled and transformed into the shitshow it was at the end
>>146083025He's hyperactive and exitableYou know, like a dog
>>146082603He takes a stand on how Rorschach functions as a character in the story and about Rorschach fans. When he sounds like someone who doesnt get Rorschach while he created him, than he isnt honest because there exist a very weird gap.>>146082996Yes. It seems like Moore downplays Rorschach creation, role in Watchmen and functions. It just might be the interview is a different thing as an essay where he explains the creation of Watchmen. Nuances are lost or it is subpar communicated by Moore.It just doesnt fit how he uses Rorschach and makes Moore look like he created Rorschach by accident. What i dont want to believe as a Moore fan. So i go with social pressure that Moore doesnt want to be strenghten the Maga type of people.
>>146080029I thought that was literally supposed to be a result of the psychiatrist realizing he needs to help people in a more concrete way. Which I assume is tied to his experience dealing with Rorschach, since he was formally depicted as a well meaning but ignorant man.
>>146079569I didn't know Watchmen had dedicated fans in Asia
>>146084810Oh no! A creator had to interact with his fans and it was awkward! >>146084836The "literally me" guys are not remotely serious, and taking them literally is catastrophically retarded.
>>146071403Homelander, Joaquin's Joker, Eric Cartman and Dano's Riddler are all perfect examples
>>146074458I think it's more like "fixing this current problem isn't the same as fixing all the problems for all time". Implying that even if the current problem is fixed here will be others.
>>146071403It's basically the Archie Bunker issue.
>>146074758Nite Owl didn't learn about the plan until it was too late to stop it. He also can't expose it because it's currently having a positive outcome.Fun fact: Nite Owl didn't try to stop Rorschach either.
there's two people in this world that makes me want to live enough to see them die, one is Alan Moore and the other Hayao Miyazaki
>>146086831>The "literally me" guys are not remotely serious,You're basically denying that super spergs exist and you're objectively wrong because I've met such people irl. I'd be embarrassed too if such people read my work, misunderstood it and approached me. Moore was just talking about a small group of society who are worrisome and awful to talk to. And if you're a celebrity you meet a lot more of them and they are a lot more bothersome.
>>146073503He's just going to be hungry again in 30 minutes.
>>146073537>eating with his hands instead of chopsticksfucking barbarian.
>>146087011Ultimately, the problem is that they are social retards who are annoying to be around. Not that they actually, truly believe that they are exactly like a fictional character who they believe is meant to be idolized.
>>146074194It's pretty blatantly obvious Rorschach is right, considering the Black Frigate internal story, the fact that all Ozy has done is give people something new to hate and fear without changing them, and in Ozy's literal fucking name.
>>146087042The problem is both. Social retards into different things can be far less annoying and threatening. I know a social retard into Lego, he will endlessly talk about Lego at my LCS and nothing else, that's more chill. Now if he started talking about politics, violence and the like, I'd be far more concerned because he is a vulnerable person capable of being influenced to do bad things.
>>146085191What story are you referring to? "I, the jury" doesn't seem to match this plot as that female character killed 2 people.
>>146087065Oh, and when the squid shows up it's in the middle of Rorschach's shrink actually trying to make a difference and help people rather than being a clout chasing faggot. Rorschach is mentally ill, he's a hypocrite, he smells, he's a jerk. But his instincts are right. He's right.
>>146087042>Not that they actually, truly believe that they are exactly like a fictional character who they believe is meant to be idolized.There are some people who truly believe they are. Tiny in number. But these are the kinds of people. Heck I saw a dude make a YouTube video calling Rorschach the ultimate incel hero.
>>146079958>Mage tardsYOU FUCKING LEAVE MAGES OUT OF THIS! MAGIC IS A WONDERFUL HOBBY!
>>146074710Manhattan isn't even a human being. Nite Owl and Silk Spectre are just thrill seeking hedonists. Ozy is the worst of all, it's all about his ego.
Lol, Joker got raped to fix his mental illness; take notes progressives.
>>146087135>MageWhat? I thought i wrote Maga. I fucked up!
>>146080029Rorschach's speech does not reflect his deeds. He's the only one bailing in a sinking ship. He's the only one who cares to stand up to Ozy, knowing full well it means he dies a miserable death as a feared and despised outsider.What Rorschach professes and what he does rarely line up.
>>146087142I never think of Nite Owl that way. To me, he seems like someone who comes out the other side of his midlife crisis in better shape than he went in. I don't think he rescues Rorshack for the adrenaline high. I think he just went to get his smelly, hard to get along with best friend.
>>146087142I wouldnt call him a thrill seeking hedonist. Otherwise he wouldnt be that nerdy Clark Kent guy. He is like a big boyscout and wants to be like NiteOwl 1 to compensate his inferior feelings. He is Theodore Roosevelt but as a superhero.
>>146087177A likely story, you just hate mages is what it is. What are you a warrior class or something?
>>146086805I dont know if these are westabos or western artist that draws manga style.
>>146079569What do i see here?
>>146086954Nite Owl doesn't actually care. Running around dressed in a costume is the limit of his ambition and investment.
>>146087280No, no. I meant Maga. Like Magaism. Magaphob. Magaphile. I swear!
>>146087378He cares after they found infos at Ozys computer. Because he didnt believed Rorschach thats something is up.
>>146087444REEEEEEEE MUGGLES GET OFF MY BOARD!!!! THIS IS A MAGIC WEBSITE!!!!
>>146085191Toxic empathy is indeed bad
>>146086831desu, the presumptiousness of people like Moore is kind of insane.>I want to write comic books, and specifically comic books about super heroes, but I don't want Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons to be one of my fansDon't do it in the first place then, you absolute moron.You weren't going to bait a bunch of French coffee house intellectuals into reading cape funnies. And you definitely weren't going to gatekeep actual comics readers, by writing a good comic.Just accept that you're that guy, and own it. Dickhead.
>>146087999You're just retarded.
>>146088229Nah, he's a snob. I'm entirely right about him.If literally anyone is passionate about your work, be happy, and move on.
>>146088286Because fundamentally you know nothing about Moore. Moore is a happy and funny person. He dislikes the industry and some of his influence in it.One of his friend's brothers was dying of a terminal illness and DC used a deal with this friend to pressure Moore, even using mutual acquaintances and friends. Moores attitude to the industry, his worship and other things is completely justified considering how he has been treated.Moore has moved on and is writing and doing other things. Comic fans haven't. He's a down to Earth person. But people see a couple out of context quotes and repeat them ad nausea.You're just plain objectively wrong.
>>146087332Actual westaboos do exist. Pic rel for example is a Chinese fan comparing and ranting about the different Rorschach iterations beyond the original comic.
>>146088323>my suffering means I get to make snarky comments about "weird 40 year olds asking me to sign old issues of Swamp Thing"It really doesn't. He's just a dick. You can't presume everyone else knows what you're going through.
>>146088359I was at an event once, Alan Moore was speaking on a panel. He made a joke. I can't even remember it, it was ages ago. Someone took it out of context and posted it online. People got mad at it. When it was a joke!Also I have my Swamp Thing, Watchmen, V for Vendetta and LoEG signed by Moore. He isn't out here getting mad at people asking for shit to be signed, not in the way you think. Because again, all this shit is bait. Like whole celebrity interviews now are completely ignored so clickbait can be made about one out of context quote.>You can't presume everyone else knows what you're going throughBut you're being hypocritical and expecting him to never said a word in case someone going through something takes an out of context Moore quote badly. It's all so tiresome.
>>146088359Alan Moore never shouts, never raises his voice. He's quite calm and flat toned. Sardonic in wit and humour. Watch some interviews. He is not foaming at the mouth, screaming and condemning some 40 year old wanting his Swamp Thing signed.
>>146088419I'm saying he should respect his fans more than to call them smelly weird fascist manchildren.
>>146088449He does respect his fans. He doesn't respect people who don't respect him. And some people, like itt, are arseholes about him. Again, you don't know what you're talking about. The man has moved on, barely mentions his old work unless people seek him out. He's still working and writing. This is a one sided projection calling Moore something he is not. Moore doesn't hate you, anon.
>>146088446I didn't say he was foaming at the mouth. I said he was a snob, and that he seems to presume he's owed a higher caliber of fan. He wants to put the blame on you for continuing to enjoy work he made in the 80's, even though it's still good. I just can't abide by that shit with creatives. I'm not going to suck your farts through a straw, just because you are (or were) incredibly talented. You can still be an asshole.
>>146088485>I didn't say he was foaming at the mouthI never said you did. I was simply trying to say that he isn't what people think. He isn't a snob at all. He is incredibly down to Earth. If you knew where he lived and how he lived you wouldn't call him a snob at all. You've presumed too much based on your own anger because you think he's talking about you.
>>146088485This is Moore's preferred high-caliber fan.
>>146088499I don't think he's talking about me, but the thing is I've met the people he's talking about, and you can always rely on them to be cool. Literally the guy who got me into reading Alan Moore's work was a "weird 40 year old" who thought Rorschach was cool. So what? I loved that guy. Best teacher I ever had.
>>146088558I've said my piece anon, and I am not going to convince you of anything, I know that. But what I would ask is maybe you actually go beyond the bait quotes. Watch/read some interviews, listen to people actually talk about him, do some research. You have a slim perception. Moore isn't attacking someone for thinking Rorschach is cool, he is talking about idolisation and worship, how the discussion of the themes of a work gets lost. You just don't seem to want to go beyond your perception and have made your mind up and honestly that makes you guilty of many of the things you're accusing Moore of. Be less judgemental and read up things beyond the bait quotes. You've got nothing to lose and might find it interesting.
https://youtu.be/0XTL7bYmoVsAlan Moore on Steve Ditko
>>146088752https://youtu.be/qSdZETnEacA
>>146088808Watch this and Moore acknowledges Rorschach's popularity, moral integrity and stuff.
>>146083008>Hell if you want to really humiliate Frank send Squirrel Girl after his ass.Why the fuck would you want to humiliate him?
>>146088808>>146088838Gee Bill, it's almost like people talk too much shit without bothering to find anything to the contrary.
>The times Moore has talked to the press, he has been outspoken, railing against the absurdities of superhero fandom and the rapaciousness of the comics industry. “When I first protested having my intellectual properties stolen,” Moore says, “the reaction from a lot of the fans was, ‘He’s a crazy, angry guy.’ He’s just inexplicably angry about absolutely everything. He wakes up in the morning, angry with his pillow. He eats his breakfast cereal while being angry with it. He’s angry about everything, so, therefore, nothing that he seems to be upset about is of any consequence. This is just an angry person. Alan Moore says, ‘Get off my lawn.’”>Talking to him, I was pleasantly surprised to find this to be far from the truth. Moore was personable, open, and intensely reasonable, even when talking about esoteric things like graven images—representations of gods as objects of worship. During our conversations he had an almost mystical sense of calm. And he certainly looked wizard-like, with a shock of long silver hair pulled back tightly behind his shoulders, and a Merlin-style beard extending down to his mid-torso.
>>146089546>The creation of Rorschach [a masked vigilante who is one of Watchmen’s main characters]—I was thinking, well, everybody will understand that this is satirical. I’m making this guy a mumbling psychopath who clearly smells, who lives on cold baked beans, who has no friends because of his abhorrent personality. I hadn’t realized that so many people in the audience would find such a figure admirable. I was told—this was probably 5 or 10 years ago—that apparently Watchmen has quite a following amongst the right wing in America. In fact, do you know the far-right website, Stormfront?>Sure. [Editor's note: Stormfront is a neo-Nazi internet forum that the Souther Poverty Law Center has described as “the first major hate site on the internet.”]>They did a reproduction of the fascist hymn that I wrote for V for Vendetta. And they said that, “Yeah, this person is supposed to be the exact opposite of us politically, but having read these beautiful words, I think that he must secretly be one of us, inside.” I think I understand fascism, and I know what kind of hymns people like that would probably like. But if this stuff can be so fundamentally misunderstood, it does make you wonder what the point of doing it was.
>>146071403I can't even find the interview this quote came from. Reddit, Tumblr, random sites, quote sites all list it and don't even provide a source.
Watchmen was mid and Moore is horribly overrated
>>146089701It's from a interview whose video appears to have been nuked. So who the fuck knows.
My favourite Alan Moore-ism is him shitting thoroughly on Harry Potter.
>>146089830https://youtu.be/zMvl6G80DUQ
>>146071403Not /co/ but I find it funny that people liked Ken more than Barbie and his doll sold more than Margott's. To top it all, the movie didn't help to boost the sales of Barbie toys and Mattel got the short end of the stick with the profits.
>>146085882QRD?I never watched it because it seemed grotesque.
>>146087583Not so quick, mage!You shall not pass!
>>146071472>>146076185>>146076219>>146083874>>146083963>aww poor serial killer that justified killing people and bragged about it on national TV before shooting the show host in cold blood and then reveled in the chaos he caused he doesn't deserve to be punished :(((Are you guys retarded? Even if he tried to reject the Joker persona and still died at the end of Joker 2, he still did a lot of shit and never owns up to it. Instead of getting his shit together he found every possible excuse to justify it until it finally bit him in the assI guess all those lefties were right, you fags really are on the cusp of causing a mass shooting because of "le society"
>>146090621please understand, none of the anons who cry about Joker 2 actually saw the movieit's funny how the first one is also pretty blatant about how Arthur is a creepy and self-destructive loser but everyone here thought he was based and /ourguy/ becase of it
>>146090621>>146090665>eating shit to own the chuds
The problem with Roschach is that he is for most part noble. His flaws was that he was a smelly loser who would bitch about the world while doing nothing about it and hypocritically thinking he deserves everything for doing nothing. But in the comics he actually does do shit so the smelly loser side becomes kind of moot and makes him look the most heroic.
>>146090881>who would bitch about the world while doing nothing about itSo Alan Moore?
>>146090792>no argumentkeep crying over a movie fag
>>146091113>cryingDon't try to flip the script here. The film was a titanic flop. Is the whole world "crying" because they refused to see it?
>>146090621>leftiesI which are one of am. If you're a real liberal, you're pro-rehabilitation and anti-poison and death penalty.
>>146083091>, that's like saying most people unironically idolised Arthur Fleck in the first Joker moviethey did though, Joker 2 was about reminding people that Arthur should not be idolized and those same people are crying about the movie being bad
>>146091315I'm noticing a running trend where people say this but frequently draw the line when we get to, y'know, the kinds of violent offenders who get more serious sentences
>>146091600Well sure, there are limits when you get to dudes beyond repair like Charles Manson or whatever, but Arthur isn't that.
>>146091617Okay, so where do we draw the line? Manson is an extreme case involving a death cult and multiple high profile murders. Here's one. A guy gets home drunk and walks in on his spouse cheating on him with another man. He has a temporary loss of sanity and kills both of them.Hell, I've seen a lot of people draw the line at domestic abuse when a lot of domestic abusers are only like that because of routine substance abuse.The argument is always the trauma they've inflicted on their victims puts them beyond any kind of redemption but pretty much any kind of violent criminal is gonna leave their victims with a lasting trauma.
>>146091798I'd file both those under "can be rehabilitated". For me the line is when a person is just completely dysfunctional no matter what treatment they receive. Manson lived to kill. Both your examples sound fixable.
>>146090621Joker 1 is LITERALLY a fucking leftist movie about a man struggling in poverty in a shit society where he cannot get the mental help he needs through the social services he depends on which leads him to eventually having a complete mental break down and accidentally inciting anarchist riots.The only reason you wouldn't sympathize with him is simply because he's white.
>>146090881Alan Moore knows he is noble and talks about this:>>146088808
>>146089808So we don't even have the original interview, so how do we know it's accurate?
I love Rorschach.
>>146088558I find this shit so incredulous. I'm tired of people on 4chan being edgy and irreverent one minute and then pearl clutching and getting sensitive the next. Alan Moore isn't hating on your specific friend who thought Rorschach was cool. Like you said, so what? Why can you dismiss somethings so easily but get so sensitive about others. Bizarre.
>>146087042There are plenty of people out there that believe Rorschach's contradictory views are "right" and that his inflexible code that he constantly compromises on is actually a good thing.
>>146090049They turned into a commentary on Weinstein shit
>>146073290Pretty much this he's even on the record saying he's principled and the closest one to a hero. He's black and white it's even on his face. He's trying to get to the bottom of a conspiracy but he's doing it for shitty reasons like avenging his shitbag friend the Comedian.
>>146074636I think that's part of it though. He struggles to live up to his principles but still doesn't abandon them all together even when it's the easy thing to do.
People fundamentally think that Moore is an idiot who didn't realise he was writing a character with principles who comes across as heroic. Moore fully acknowledges how Rorschach comes across. His issue is with how people use the character, not him misunderstanding his own character. There is a difference.
This is why we can't have nice things.
>>146071403>Alan Moore was trying to make fun of him, right?>You weren't meant to like him, right?God you're retarded. Moore looked at the Batman-types peppering comics, along with more specifically Ditko's Question/Mister A, and - very rationally, frankly - came to the conclusion that more realistically the sort of person that would devote himself to a bare-knuckled lifetime vigilante crusade against crime would probably be pretty fucked up and would have an extremely difficult time integrating into normal society. That is NOT to say that you're not meant to find him sympathetic, nor was he trying to "make fun of chuds."Rorsarch is sympathetic. Incredibly sympathetic. He's had a shitty life. He's not a loser you're meant to laugh at. He's meant to be an interesting character you sympathize with. But yes, you really shouldn't be looking at the obsessive, paranoid, and emotionally numbed guy that's living off of uncooked beans raided from an old friend's pantry and going "he's just like me, fr, fr."
>>146085882>>146095076Sounds as if they dont know what stories to write. Overestimate their importancy or relevance and think they can do a South Park or even a Simpsons thing!
>>146095680>His issue is with how people use the character, not him misunderstanding his own character. Thats the problem. Both can be true. But all his interviews let him look like he didnt intentionally wrote Rorschach that way.
>>146098567See:>>146088808That's because people only post the bait
>>146083446>>146083446>Constantly gripes about how the government especially under Thatcher is taking away civil liberties from the people and going full fascist in most of his works from V from Vendetta to Promethea.>Throws shitfits about the constant red tape and political pork filling the Parliament up with idiots and extraneous jobs that only serve to impede the people's rights and again lead to more fascism.>Yet votes Labour who unironically have been pushing for more government oversight and pork bills that impede not only the common people but creatives such as Moore.>But at least he gets his dick sucked by the regime, tip top cherrio and if you don't like it you're the fascist. Now look at me in my Che Guevara shirt daddy Corbyn gave me while he pushes for more oversight bills that let the government monitor your asses even harder.He doesn't have to be on Boris's bloated Johnson either and Rishi Sunak is a shithead too but at least be consistent Moore. I don't care if it's Labour or the Tories, cucking out to the same intelligence agencies that he gripes about because they get some token minority to shill it is some champange socialist quisling shit. Even if I disagree with Marx and many of the ideology's derivative of him, the rampant control and disenfranchisement of the people through both media and gun control was one of the things he called out on page 1 of his manifesto but Moore votes for exactly that while claiming to be a true blue Marxist socialist when he's just another quisling for a regime using those talking points for more power but stab the commonfolk in the back every time they're elected.
>>146090621The movie literally smacks you upside the head with its themes. Arthur stops getting his meds because the healthcare system sucks. He enjoys being a silly clown and gets beat for it. He has a weird condition and gets shunned and beat for it. He's not supposed to be a hero for his actions, but it's also not suprising he went down the path he did since the entire world was shitting on him. He only reveled in the chaos because that was the first time he had people cheering for him and saw his as something other than a freakish waste of space.
>>146099495>but Moore votes for exactly that while claiming to be a true blue Marxist socialistthe man's an unironic wizard, why would he be a marxist? I think you might be misunderstanding some of his views.
>>146099495I can't be bothered with Brit politics, but this smells like the same belligerent reductionism that Moore gets for his comics.
>>146099495>Yet votes LabourI literally have been at a talk where Moore was talking about the problems of New Labour and didn't blindly vote for them like you've suggested.
>>146099495Thatcher wasn't great but the bonglanders nationalizing all their industries is one of the main reason they declined so much after WW2 despite being with the US as one of the few superpowers that remained relatively unscathed throughout the war. As for modern Brit shit, both Labour and Tories such shit.
>>146098715Was this before or after Trump? Because this is how he created Rorschach. The other quotes are rating the character or fans.
Whats with all these Moore thread today?>>146097427>>146097990
>>146071403>write chud caricature to make fun of chuds>the audience relates to himMany such cases.
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>>146071403Dementia
>>146074696Why do the exile judges that retire? Do they worry retirement would do things to their brain?
>>146076932I appreciated the message of "You can't fix someone who doesn't want to be fixed", but man did that show fumble quite a few interesting things. Despite how much of a libral mouthpiece she was, I liked Diane, but I never felt like they did anything with her. Mr. Peanutbutter lacked something to do what they wanted.
>>146074212The judge system is inherently fascist. They rule and decide everything, they spy on everyone, they abuse the citizens of the city constantly. They for example actively do random house searches because the system has outlawed so many things that there is always something they will use a pretext to lock people up. Just to intimidate people. Hell, it’s a frequent gag in the strip that Dredd saves a citizen only to then arrest them on some completely arbitrary and ridiculous infraction.
>>146074673And then the writers used him to show how his prejudices and bigotry was stupid and wrong. Like the episode where he keeps railing against gays and then turns out his own friend is gay. Everything Archie has said and acted like when it comes to gay people is flipped on its head because he’s completely wrong about everything and just looks like a fool.
>>146080517Rorschach commits suicide because he can’t handle the greyness of the world and having actually to deal with a problem where there is no black and white answer. So he just gives up and fails his own principles once again, just minutes after ranting about never compromising.
>>146071472I like that the maker of the movie seeming believes that you can rape bad behaviour out of a person. Like you know Rape Correction.
>>146084168>People jokinglyThey aren’t joking. The endless seething over it on this very website shows people aren’t being ironic. They literally worship the character and think he’s the only moral and good character while wilfully turning a blind eye to all the contradictions and flaws that show that isn’t the case. While also ignoring the tenet that Rorschach is not someone you would idolise irl because he would the hobo you “ironically” talk online about wanting to kill or whatever because they’re degenerate trash and visual nuisance to you.
>>146087121>But his instincts are rightThroughout the story he doesn’t make a single correct deduction. He thinks there’s a serial killer targeting capes, there isn’t. He thinks Moloch is responsible but is completely innocent. He instinctively defends Comedian against rape allegations that we, the audience, know are true because he did try to rape someone and not only that he’s also done even more loathsome and morally abhorrent things that a person like Rorschach would object and deem you someone he should murder.
>>146104635He does correctly intuit that there's something worth investigating at least
>>146104635>>146106250He acts like a true detective. He smells that something is fishy. Than investigate!
>>146104635Of course there's a serial killer targeting capes. Adrian kills millions of people and while he's getting that up and running he kills the Comedian, does everything he can to drive Jon off the planet before making an honest attempt at killing him and sets up Walter to likely die in prison. Serial killer targets three capes.
>>146106250The main problem is that he lets his biases blind him completely. He has good investigative skills but he's too pigheaded to effectively use his leads.
Kek>>146107248
>>146071403Does Alan really wantz Moore of those audience?
>>146094174Me too...
>>146107419People losing their shit for no reason.
>>146106250>He goes to look up a murder scene of a prominent political figure who got thrown down a building through a window Oh wow! What amazing detective skills he has to find it suspicious!
>>146110874Then he tells other people and their reactions are "ehhhhh"Gotta grade him on a curve
>>146112065Because he immediately claims it’s a serial killer targeting former superheroes. Not that there was someone with a personal grudge who killed Blake and maybe it involved his secret identity. Instead he immediately invents a conspiracy where someone is deliberately going around killing former capes. It’s so stupid and thin that Veidt is immediately able to fabricate his own fake assassination to deflect suspicion from himself.
>>146071403>Alan Moore: Looney fans that take my work seriously are kinda schizo and should try to remember it's just a comic book.>Election tourists: HAHA! HE MADE THIS CHARACTER TO MAKE FUN OF US BUT WE LOVE HIM! TAKE THAT LIBERAL!I think the only fumble here is OP.
>>146107419Alan keeps on giving!
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>>146071403If you don't want a character to be considered heroic, don't let them do the most heroic thing in the story. >Fucking kill me now, because I'm not gonna let that piece of shit get away with mass murder.
>>146114157>Fucking kill me nowThis does not do anything against letting him get away with it though. It's a knowingly futile action, I can admire it on some level but I don't find it heroic
>>146071403Liberals don't understand that "chuds" just tend to be better people than they are.
>>146090621>>aww poor serial killer that justified killing people and bragged about it on national TV before shooting the show host in cold blood and then reveled in the chaos he caused he doesn't deserve to be punished :(((and? they deserved it
>>146114744It's almost like he realized he can't do anything if a literally omnipotent guy doesn't want him to tell people the truth so he's going out on his own terms.
>>146115970>>146114744He knew that when Manhattan sided with Ozymandias, it was over. I wonder if Rorschach would hide himself somewhere noone can see him, Manhattan wouldnt kill him? Or if Manhattan could sense the atoms of Rorschahcs body and sense him?
>>146115970>>146116177Dan and Laurie got to leave and Dr Manhattan fucked off permanently. If Rorschach had tried to play along he might perhaps have had a shot. Or maybe not. I don't know if he could even bring himself to lie about something like that.Either way,>It's almost like he realized he can't do anything if a literally omnipotent guy doesn't want him to tell people the truth so he's going out on his own terms.I said that I don't think this is heroic. Admirable maybe. But I don't see the heroism.
>>146071403>>write chud caricature to make fun of chudsWhy can't people talk about the past without using modern meme terms?Specially when they don't even mean what people think they mean
>>146095110>he's even on the record saying he's principled and the closest one to a heroDo you remember where?
Has anyone got that 'Moore is Mr Magoo' screencap?
>>146119859Who would think that?
>>146071403Rorschach is the greatest hero of all time.
>>146119859I don't have it but I've read it, and it's full of baseless assumptions. Posters in it make claims about Moore hating Ditko (I think it's this one), when Moore was one of his most ardent dicksuckers. >>146120176With Rorschach having such a huge following and knowing that he was inspired by Steve Ditko, a fellow right-winger, they can't just resort to calling Watchmen (or Rorschach) shit like most other retards do, yet they want to take as much credit away from Moore as possible. So to these people, Watchmen was the only worthwhile work out of Moore's bibliography and it was so by accident, because he was able to channel what made Ditko's Objectivist characters good through Rorschach without understanding him and them, that he basically stumbled onto making a great character that people love, thus the Mr. Magoo comparison. Never mind all of the other great comics Moore wrote, and never mind Rorschach's complex character.
>>146104635He immediately could tell Ozymandias was a faggot and therefore untrustworthy
>>146071403Why do people forget that Moore has admitted numerous times that he thinks Kovacs also has the most moral integrity and is the most heroic of the cast, despite disagreeing with him politically? He states this in one of his interviews. It's one Youtube if you don't believe me. Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSdZETnEacA&lc=UgwnFG834BMi88ctp0R4AaABAg
>>146116827It was heroic as a faced the threat. It was heroic to not compromise.I agree that going along than secretly give infos to the press would have been better. But dont forget, Rorschach doesnt kniw that Manhattan will leave earth. And he probably thinks that Ozy united earth so he sacrifices himself for the greater good without breaking his morality.
>>146121228Ok, that makes sense why comparing Moore with Mr Magoo. But how insecure do you need to be make such gymnastics to delude the author but spare the graphic movel?
>>146121274>thinking this when Ror himself is a repressed homo
>>146071403Rorschach was a right-winged conspiracy nut, but at least he stuck to his believe of justice till the end and died for it. Thats based.He's less of a traitor than anyone who I know, who turrned into a fucking cuck once they smelled the chance for a normal life.
>>146083886I've done my best to wipe the Hangover sequels from my memory, to what do you refer?
>>146071403Rorschach was clearly written as an anti-hero, but still one of the underdog protagonists that moved the plot forward. He gets an entire chapter dedicated to his sob story childhood and origin story. Of course, I guess if multiple people have come up to the author and unironically declared themselves to be literally Rorscach, as in a mentally ill hobo in serious need of mental care, it's a natural reaction to be physically repulsed.
>>146123632It was written with complete disdain of fans of the Hangover movies
>>146073290they were cute. Batman should team up more often with other schizo detectives like Question. I'm really surprised he isn't.
>>146072104I don't understand how people have developed this idea of him. Let me just be clear as to what I think Rorschach did in the movie. Isn't he the character who upon seeing the plan to blame some attack on aliens to unite humanity he can't in good conscious go along with it so he says that he will have to be killed to prevent him from telling the truth? Are there other things people are referring to here that colours their perception? I personally think that this ending part overrides everything else when someone judges his character because this decision is the point of his character, he is unwilling to give up on his convictions even if giving up on those convictions is what leads to the better outcome.I'm not identifying with him, I clearly think he is wrong, but I understand why people might think he was right. This is simply a matter if one thinks saving lives matters more than the truth, and even then it isn't clear that the false flag alien attack intended to unite humanity really did save lives or if there was never any real risk of conflict erupting. I however still think that it isn't worth putting that to the test, but had this stable situation not been created in the first place I wouldn't intentionally try to create it. This is simply a matter of me preferring to let sleeping dogs lie rather than risk it, but I can't say Rorschach would have been entirely wrong to have tried to bring the truth out.What has been created here is the Platonic "noble lie" scenario, and Rorschach is unwilling to go along with the noble lie. I don't understand why people react so negatively towards him for not being willing to go along with the noble lie, as after all this whole thing is a philosophical thought experiment, and one ought to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it, so if you are presenting the idea of the noble lie, people ought to be able to entertain the idea of not going along with the noble lie in the context of the thought experiment
>>146071472Recent Joker idk seems realistic. >Society makes mass shooters out of the mentally ill by mistreating them and denying them care.>BUT ALSO IT STILL ISN'T OKAY TO SHOOT PEOPLE
>>146071403His mistake for making him right.
>>146071403>>146121608I'm Centre-Left, so I would probably never agree with Rorschach on anything concerning politics but his decision for not going along with the gaslight alien attack is something I personally would have done myself. And I'm not saying this because I have high integrity or that I believe I'm morally superior.I'm saying this because I personally hate gaslighting false flag operations, and more often than not, it just causes more harm than good and the parties orchestrating it usually have nefarious intentions beyond what they claim why they're doing it in the first place or have outside parties who will exploit it for their own benefit. Think of Vietnam involving the Tonkin incident, or WMDs in the Middle East as examples of lies used to promote the security of nation or for some noble cause. It's no different from a country attacking another allied country, while planting false evidence that it was a hostile enemy nation of both previous mentioned countries that was responsible as an excuse to unite and invade that enemy nation to subdue them or get rid of them altogether as a problem. You can argue that hostile nation deserved it, because they were planning a offensive because they're imperialists, or that hostile nation is a non-democratic dictatorship, but the methods employed by the country planting false evidence for a false narrative just sounds something an evil faction would do, no matter how much they claim it's for greater good a justified pre-emptive strike. And it makes the hostile nation look like a victim that is falsely accused of a crime it didn't commit.
>>146122492Except he chose to kill himself in the end. He gave up. That’s what taking off his mask means. How can you be this illiterate?
>>146071472>get raped, chudcel.Now you understand why rape suck?
Watchmen was a story about dialectics, same as any comic. Its characters represented different boxes of society: Rorschach for the lower-class working stiff, Nite Owl and Miss Jupiter for the middle-class hierogamy, the Comedian for the soldiery, and Ozymandias and Manhattan for the most influential of all; the wealthy businessmen and brilliant scientists who define our perception of the world.The stand-out quality, the reason everyone remembers it, is because it's absurdly spiteful about it. Well beyond the strictures of traditional tragedy, Watchmen goes out of its way to humiliate and deface each of its alumnus. That is to me the point of the work. Every one of these people want to promote progress and societal betterment: once upon a time, that brought them together. Now, it divides them. But in either case, they fail.Because none of the philosophy that comic books espouse reflect how Alan Moore sees the world. I don't know how that is, or indeed if it's coherent besides, but I can say that by not adhering to that, every single named person in Watchmen was right fucked before the first page was turned.
>>146122424>And he probably thinks that Ozy united earth so he sacrifices himself for the greater good without breaking his morality.Doing it with that intention would certainly break his morality.
>>146071403There's a difference between liking a character and relating to him. Making funny sigma fancams isn't the same as genuinely thinking a character is in the right or should be followed in ideals.
>>146126927I dont think it would break his morality. He just gave up. Since he was confused if he wants to sacrifice his morality code to ensure peace. So he sacrificed himself knowing that he couldnt escape Manhattan.
>>146125538>same as any comicReally?
>>146088328I see "incel" doesn't translate to Chinese.
>>146088328I'm going to assume the last two are from the Before Watchmen issues
>>146130718yep
>>146088328>>146131564Which ones are from Doomsday Clock and Tom King's Rorschach?
>>146129520>>146130718>Original>Movie>Testfragments>Prequel for the Nightmovie>Luo Xia PrequelI think my translator ddoesmt work properly!
>>146088328>>146132607Did a rough translation.>original comic>The real Rorschach. A a cold-faced character with no emotion to his speech, no expression on his face, and someone of (relatively) cautious movements. A defeated dog.>movie>Still Rorschach. Way more emotionally expressive, does pointless moeing (such as tilting his head, etc.) An otaku-ish version of the original. Not a defeated dog.>2003 David Hayter test footage>Rorschach…? A 6'8” tall burly guy who cares a lot about his status (a few more minutes of filming and I feel like he would have beat Dan up violently). Ingredients unknown.>Before Watchmen: Nite Owl>Rors…chach…? A character with no reason to be in the story, whose purpose seems to be killing and being jealous, and acting out-of-character, and being a loser.>Before Watchmen: Rorschach>A fake. Weak incel, not only mentally cowardly but even his physical strength is so poor he actually has to rely on weapons.
>>146133778Thanks. >test footageNow the Testfragment thing makes sense
>>146133778>original comic>The real Rorschach. A a cold-faced character with no emotion to his speech, no expression on his face, and someone of (relatively) cautious movements. A defeated dog.>movie>Still Rorschach. Way more emotionally expressive, does pointless moeingI'm surprised that so many people can't tell this difference.
>>146119449I'm not sure but if you go on YouTube you might be able to find it
>>146115469Insane cope the original chud was a mass murderer
>>146071403Alan Moore literally is retard hypocrite ripoffer cummie with trooni morality
>>146135214>214damn fucking right>>146071403
>>146071403>>146135214>>146135214>ripoffer>>146135228>228oh yes
>>146119449https://youtu.be/qSdZETnEacA?si=tdl6n-JK5FEcs8Mh
>>146135257Do you really not understand archetypes?
>>146135214>>146135228>>146135257Man this is some retarded seething
>>146135228>>146135257>>146135257Man this is some based exposing.
>>146135214>>146135228>>146135257Man this is some lukewarm parroting
>>146083886No one watched The Hangover 3.
>>146134207Yeah, it's referring to this video.https://youtu.be/ZkDqxCbyGVk?si=IZa82Ibk3U0idyf3
>>146136112Do you Not understand grumpy, clueless, pretentious shithead who doesn't pay his due to a man who is the Reason he is even vaguely famous in the first fucking place? If Jerry Siegel gave up in 1933 there would be no Superman, without Superman no light on his other ideas and no superhero genre and entire pop culture from 1938 and onwards because even the way people ripoff things Siegel did first.And without Stan Lee who for no reason at all started printing All the names in 1964 there DEFINITELY wouldn't be any "Jack Kirby" let alone any "Alan Moore". Do you understand it? Back when Jerry Siegel was unjustly fired only Stan Lee helped him getting a job. And only Neal Adams (literally had everything to lose and nothing to gain) and Jerry Robinson helped Siegel and Shuster get their byline back and to end a complete looney troonie era when Jack Kirby , by the number ripoffer, gets to have his name plastered on DC titles (again, all because in 1963 Stan decided to treat creatives as rockstars instead of Stanta Claus' elves or Niger spelled wrong pick which analogue you like better) while people that LITERALLY CREATED DC and entire superhero genre DC pretended they never existed. Do you people understand how absolutely wrong this is?!>>146136829>>146138230>>146138532all there is is objective fact, compare pop culture before 1938 and after, look how many people came up with "their" ideas Before 1939 , look how many superheroes were there
>>146140014>gets to have his name plastered on DC titles .... while people that LITERALLY CREATED DC and entire superhero genre DC pretended they never existed
>>146088328>>146133778>>original comic>>The real Rorschach. A a cold-faced character with no emotion to his speech, no expression on his face, and someone of (relatively) cautious movements. A defeated dog.How did he/she/they/it/zhe determine that>>movie>>Still Rorschach. Way more emotionally expressive, does pointless moeing (such as tilting his head, etc.) An otaku-ish version of the original. Not a defeated dog.way more emotionally expressive compared to what, a voice-less sound-less text? Or you determined real Rorschach emotion-less by the Moore's monotone reading OF HIS DIARY?! >>2003 David Hayter test footage>>Rorschach…? A 6'8” tall burly guy who cares a lot about his status (a few more minutes of filming and I feel like he would have beat Dan up violently). Ingredients unknown.In comics he wears lifts so he can be whatever height, especially since Gibbons just like Swan and many other artists only do standard height + deviants in case of dwarf/midgets/short people (whatever appropritate name today) and kids and "big guys" (4u)Like how in original comics Superman and Batman have 5'7-5'10 proportions >>146139953and then because of George Reeves playing him Superman gradually was drawn with proportions of tall man Except everyone else who was adult man around him were drawn as tall , unlike real life/show were Reeves usually stuck out either as Superman or Clark>>Before Watchmen: Nite Owl>>Rors…chach…? A character with no reason to be in the story, whose purpose seems to be killing and being jealous, and acting out-of-character, and being a loser.>>Before Watchmen: Rorschach>>A fake. Weak incel, not only mentally cowardly but even his physical strength is so poor he actually has to rely on weapons.Yeah, has to rely on weapons, like Rorschach in original comics. Confirmed retard>>146134540You are surprised because it is only in your head, because just like Moore himself his fans are pretentious beyond belief.
>>146071403Is it not wonderful how Zack Snyder predicted Fortnite and then got victory royale in it a decade later
>>146135214>>146135228>>146135257>>146140014>>146140020>>146140093Who has the time to make gay collages like this? Is this the guy behind the Magoo post?
>>146134540Honestly in the comic and the movie Rorschach are bery similar emotional. I would only say that in the prison scenes he is more emotional because you get the transition or moments between panels.
>>146071496You know that the same laws protect you from "chuds", right
>>146135214I dont understand what this has to do with Moore?>>146135228And what is the point of this? Two writers with different work schedule and both very successfull.>>146135257This is the only page that i can understand. Yes he got inspired by that. Or even used the same tropes as other writers did.
>>146140014I think superheroes were already existing or created along in pulp.Doc Savage, Zorro, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, The Shadow, Phantom, Mandrake.Superman just gave some design choices.You could say without Lord Pimpernell, Phantomias or Hugo Hercule, no Superman.
>>146140020>>146140093I still see no real connecion to Moore here besides that Superman came before Watchmen. And without Superman no DC comics?
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>>146072511I find dual posting threads to be an interesting look into how different boards react to things.
>>146090621Your obtuse understanding of realism and how it relates to movies, along with your insane projection of what you assume people are angry about is catastrophically autistic. It's not even funnny how fucking stupid you are.
>>146141265I doubt it. If it is the same person, his mental health has deteriorated significantly.
>>146141265>>146142130love that you are too afraid to even open them up and read>>146141473>I dont understand what this has to do with Moore?upper left corner is Alan Moore talking about Soopermoin, rest is objective facts, or at least what could be put within 4 mb 4chan limit >>146141473>And what is the point of this? Two writers with different work schedule and both very successful.one "writer" shits on not only successful writer but on editor and guy that quite literally did the the thing that made "writer" actually Known in the first place , also showcase how much of Moore's Superman is character assassination against his "poignant" thoughts about Woitchmein adaptations he ofc never watched/read , which Also ties to the fact >>146141473>This is the only page that i can understand.not only he got inspired, he completely undermined The guy that inspired, and, again, this is just 4mb limit that's why it is solely Dr. Manhattan focused and couldn't shoehorn Dr. Occult examples in here. Let alone stuff like meta stuff, comics within comics, parallels, etc. >>146141761>I think you think wrong>superheroes were already existing the word superhero itself didn't exist >or created along in pulp.no>Doc Savage, Zorro, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon, The Shadow, Phantom, Mandrake.not superheroes, Doc and Phantom were created After Reign of the Super-Man and 1935 design of Clark Kent - Superman>Superman just gave some design choices.error>You could say without Lord Pimpernell, Phantomias or Hugo Hercule, no Superman.No nobody could. Super powers (=> bat gadgets, etc), secret identity, costume, logo , retcons, expansion of concept, how to ripoff things, meta, reuse of ideas from older versions (how Clark got x-ray and super hearing (and mind control) because Bill Dunn had it), fantasy + sci-fi, progression. For "some reason" nobody did all this before 1938 Action Comics #1. Superman #1 even predicted reshoots in cinema.Not to mention real life predictions
>>146141974The first movie should've never been made.
>>146071496Tpbp
>>146142613Do you realize that you're mentally ill?I don't mean it as an insult, but your posts were not born from a sane mind. Are you getting help?
>>146142613>upper left corner is Alan Moore talking about Soopermoin, rest is objective facts, or at least what could be put within 4 mb 4chan limitThats what i see but i dont know how this is connected or disprofing Moore.And the rest ok, but you should explain that than just posting pics with random infos.
>>146142613In my opinion the term superhero isnt that far, since Siegel took everything from other stuff too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman> Siegel and Shuster read pulp science-fiction and adventure magazines, and many stories featured characters with fantastical abilities such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and superhuman strength. >Another influence was Philip Wylie's 1930 novel Gladiator, featuring a protagonist named Hugo Danner who had similar powers.>The word "superman" was commonly used in the 1920s and 1930s to describe men of great ability, most often athletes and politicians.And so everyone could do that. If it wernt Siegel and Shuster, anyone else would have created Superman.
>>146071496You're literally hitler bro.
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>>146143818you are objectively wrong>>146144935>how this is connected or disproving Moore.you can just read itthey aren't random, exempts from Wikipedia (Cavill's "wikipedia?" would be placed if it wasn't for time and size limit) as well as first Siegel's arrival at DC vs Weisinger's, as well as "scientific explanation behind Superman powers"Siegel also was the one who came up with early kryptonite concept. Secret Citadel/Fort Superman, Superwoman and other Siegel's ideas from which Silver Age stuff was derived from "by Weisinger" would also be included If not for size limit>>146145043>In my opinion the term superhero isnt that far,it is>since Siegel took everything from other stuff too.not just took it, but took it in a very specific manner only after 1938 people would take as well>>146145043>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermanobligatory:>>146145043>> Siegel and Shuster read pulp science-fiction and adventure magazines, and many stories featured characters with fantastical abilities such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and superhuman strength.love how no specific examples is given by that wikipedik that edited it last time>>146145043>>Another influence was Philip Wylie's 1930 novel Gladiator, featuring a protagonist named Hugo Danner who had similar powers.not only similar powers but also aspect of keeping these powers secret, the urgency and necessity of said secret, the absolute "realism" of such existence, the crushed dreams and potential, Superman literally is at it's core a Positive spin on Hugo Danner's story, where Clark Kent successfully found way to separate powers from his social life, where he successfully ended war Without unnecessary murdering of dozens poor soldiers that never had control of their own destiny, where he Indeed became "super detective". If K-Metal happened Clark would even have more honest relationship with Lois Lane who would learn he Is Superman and by That time she stopped fearing
>>146071496Anon, you're a rapist
>>146145043>>The word "superman" was commonly used in the 1920s and 1930s to describe men of great ability, most often athletes and politicians.Not superhero tho. >And so everyone could do that. If it wernt Siegel and Shuster, anyone else would have created Superman.And yet for absolutely no reason at all nobody did until 1938 Clark Kent Superman came out officially, not only that but Most ideas that came out since that are either reaction on Siegel's ideas (Superman, The Spectre (kinda superhero), Dr Occult (not a superhero and came out before Superman's official release but After initial creation , also first DC character to have sidekick and butler, also inspired Bat-Man namecall), 1933-1934 versions of Superman, Metalo, Ultra-Humanite and Luthor and the way both of them relate to Bill Dunn Super-Man, meta stuff , bat gadgets/spider powers) or ripoff of them or ripoff of them in a way Siegel did it towards Gladiator and then Gladiator + Princess of Mars (with low gravity addition)Literally not only no one else would come up with superhero concept, but even when Superman was released it literally took DC people half a year to finally realize just how commercially robust character truly is , character that they (again , Siegel by that time worked for them for like 4 years already) only started printing "Superman inside!" since 9th issue after doing experiment with 7 and 8 covers, that's why 2-6 not only non-Superman covers but don't even mention him on the cover.Meanwhile Joe Shuster in 1936 already makes sketch where he predicts success of the character, also Actual earliest mention of the word super-hero.Meanwhile nothing that Alan Moore did for Watchmen was Anything new by 1986. And Alan is one of them "people" that wanted Stan Lee to give Steve Ditko total creator's credit, meanwhile Alan himself created absolutely nothing new. Hence the pictures.
>>146124543They did the "noble lie" in comics again with the Dark Night where it was agreed that Batman should take the fall for Harvey Dent in order to pass the Harvey Dent Act which let them quickly arrest a whole bunch of criminals with minimal trials. Eventually commissioner Gordon decides enough time has passed that people should now know the truth and writes that letter than Bane intercepts and reads to the public before opening the prisons. Eventually of course Bane decides to just blow up the city for no real reason (I'm guessing because he is a follower of the villain from the first movie of Batman Begins who wanted to blow up the city) but had Bane not been trying to blow up the city for no reason this would have been an example of he "noble lie" falling apart and it would be difficult to find fault with it.
>>146124543 >>146071403Literally THE reason people absolutely love Rorschach, even before magnificent Zack Snyder made film and therefore made character known for far more peopleis because : in the comics he is all around hypocrite who talks about right and wrong but breaks into Dan's apartament and steals deodorant from him (morning press moment), loser who idolizes dad that abandoned him and mom and Harry fucking looney trooni Truman of all people, he talks bad about women, etc. And YET, when it Actually comes to action he hangs rapist right here and there and OPPOSES the very idea of killing thousands/millions to save billions. That's the whole fucking reason, at the end of it That's why he is great for most people.Everything else like being able to survive swatting completely unprepared, actually clue-ing around Veidt , surviving entire prison wanting him dead and raped, being able to climb tall buildings in lift shoes, survive Antarctic in autumn season alt-universe NY wardrobe, cool mask and ugly face underneath (ultimate combo, why Spider-Man and ESPECIALLY Spawn and Deadpool were/are so successful and appealing) is just pleasant bonus.
