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Want to use modern C++ features like Modules? Nuh uh can't include "non-importable headers" from common libraries
What's "non-importable"? IT'S IMPLEMENTATION DEPENDENT. No one knows.
C++ keeps stapling shiny new abstractions onto a language whose foundation is still “whatever your compiler feels like today.” Every new feature “works unless it doesn’t.”
It’s not a language design so much as cardboard layer cake.
Why don't you use something else? MPI. The alternative would be Fortran.
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>>107638778
Modules are bad. Header files are fine.
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>>107638778
Deprecate UNIX. https://rentry.co/g7aofwhc
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>>107644744
>it's C with OOP (and other functional gimmicks)
Yes, that's how it started out, but it's turned into a monstrosity of random features that feel tacked on and completely destroy any elegance the language might have once possessed.
Why not just invent a new language at this point, or drop C++ entirely?
I wouldn't be surprised if C++30 had constructs like std::variable and std::return because some retard on the committee declared that core language mechanisms are henceforth "unsafe".
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>>107645988
>Why not just invent a new language at this point, or drop C++ entirely?
Feel free to start the project, I'll make the logo.
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>>107640655
/thread

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>"technology"
>no biotech thread
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Sure — here are 5 accessible biotech discussion prompts written for a 4chan image board thread (simple wording, easy to jump into, but still interesting):

What’s one biotech thing you think will actually work soon (next ~5 years), and what makes you believe it’s real and not just hype?

What’s the most overhyped biotech topic right now (CRISPR, longevity, “AI cures everything,” etc.) and what would count as real proof that it’s legit?

If you had to bet $1,000 on biotech, would you pick a drug company, a “tools” company (lab gear/tests), or something else? Explain like you’re convincing a skeptic.

What biotech problem sounds easy but is secretly brutal, and what’s the true bottleneck (delivery, safety, cost, regulation, biology being messy)?

What “biotech for normal people” product do you actually want (better sleep, faster healing, pain-free dentistry, anti-obesity, organ preservation, etc.) and what do you think is stopping it?

Post one or two of these as the OP and let people fight it out. If you want it more shitposty, more combative, or more serious, tell me the vibe and I’ll rewrite them.
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>>107646747
Whatever happened to that guy who did CRISPR gene editing on himself? Did he gain any superpowers yet?
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>>107647002
Idk it, but I run northern blot protocols by just loading DNA samples and probing membranes. I guess it's the same thing pretty much.

Love the smell of formaldehyde.
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>>107646747
>no biotech thread
Because all biotech guys are busy begging on the street after being fired in the past year
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>>107646747
A couple decades ago there was a kickstarter for making glow in the dark trees. The fuck ever happened to that? I want bioluminescent live oaks lining the drive to my house, damn it!

Tariffs on Chinese semiconductors are now 0% (ZERO PERCENT)!

No more expensive GPUs or RAM now!

Yay!

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I have an N100 mini PC with 16gb ddr5 ram. When I load certain vector designer sites like Vexels the browser keeps consistently locking up ("script is slowing down sites, would you like to Stop it?") and simple actions like editing a text can take 10 to 30 seconds to complete.

Canva is much faster but sometimes shits the bed too.

What the fuck man. Why
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Should mention I'm on debian, no bloated windows full of spyware. So it's not that
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>>107647040
>N100
>DDR5 RAM
what a waste of good ram...

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Recounting the threads edition

/gedg/ Wiki: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki//gedg/_-_Game_and_Engine_Dev_General
IRC: irc.rizon.net #/g/gedg
Progress Day: https://rentry.org/gedg-jams
/gedg/ Compendium: https://rentry.org/gedg
/agdg/: >>>/vg/agdg
Graphics Debugger: https://renderdoc.org/

Requesting Help
-Problem Description: Clearly explain your issue, providing context and relevant background information.
-Relevant Code or Content: If applicable, include relevant code, configuration, or content related to your question. Use code tags.

Previous: https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107546157/#107546157
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>>107646842
not him but whats wrong with C++? I use it for my hobbies and I much prefer it to the alternatives
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>>107645712
atomics are fun. the only slightly painful thing is the memory order semantics. luckily on x64 they dont matter, though that means im not 100% sure im using the correct ones
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>>107646842
>picking up a 3-5kg pipe and pointing it away from your feet, or better, away from yourself entirely, is "culture" and supposedly "extremely difficult and an intellectual task that majority of people cannot do"
Please explain to me, which part of this isn't about low IQ, beta males, basedboys and you being brown?
>>107646871
His skin color is what's wrong. Every. Single. Time.
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>>107646821
there's none
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>>107645609
Played up to level 7.
Feels meh. For reference I didn't play slay the spire, but closest was backpack hero.
There are no varying enemy moves per turn that would let you react to so it boils down to quickly killing the most threatening enemy and tanking obligatory damage from more enemies than you could possibly stun face on. The rng factor doesn't help since I don't think there's any risk management to be had here whatsoever so you just watch the dice you picked slowly fuck you over.

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why are so many programming "help" groups like this? like, somebody will specifically opt into helping people, and then get frustrated when they dont do exactly what they expect. it constantly feels like im testing everyone's patience whenever i ask for help and its even harder trying to just learn everything myself, especially considering all the weird semantic differences in both the language itself and guides.

like i can imagine a full script in my head but i wouldnt know how to translate it into the language im currently using. and on the offchance that i *do* get the help needed, usually its just "oh just use the blah function", so its not like i just Dont Know How To Code or anything i just dont know the shit thats specific to the engine, and its not like i can just look it up in a glossary or something because the words can be totally different from language to language, like how "object" in one language can be "entity" in another, and object in *that* language refers to an object in an array or something, so theres just a huge language gap that i cant really cross without the help of others, which sucks because working with others sucks
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>>107640271
The question answerer has an XY problem. They want to control the other person, but that's the asker's role.
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>>107640808
>paid money to be told to do it yourself
College is legit a scam. A couple months studying by yourself in a free library is worth more than years of shitty power point presentations and tens of thousands of dollars. It's only when you get to the top of the advanced classes which have special or difficult knowledge that it makes sense to have classes.
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>>107640271
Because everyone is retarded
When teaching properly, exploring alternatives and the implications of things can help a lot with understanding. By learning about method B and then learning why it's not a good idea, you would understand for yourself why method A is better and actually comprehend what you're doing and why. However having deep knowledge of a topic is no guarantee at all that you are also a good teacher on that topic (or in general), and a lot of people hanging out in help groups are self-important retards who have a lot of knowledge but not necessarily pedagogical skills.

But also conversely, a lot of people asking for help are retards who do not actually understand what they're working on and may not even want to understand it, and method B is maybe the one thing that they happen to have seen before so they cling to it for dear life because the unknown method A is scary, or they copied method B from somewhere else and don't know how either of those things work so they want to stick with what they have because they wouldn't even know where to start in rewriting it with method A, for example. So also a lot of people giving help have much lowered patience for retards like this and if you're genuinely trying to understand the topic and explore how things work you risk getting lumped in with the pajeets insisting that their copy-paste from chatgpt is what they want fixed and they do not want to do things differently no matter what.
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>>107640805
>"i program in a style very unique to myself and it throws people off"
This is an actual problem btw, because programming often requires collaboration and you're basically building a barrier between yourself and everyone else. If you just want to only ever write code alone like a hermit that's fine, but clearly it's already annoying you because it's hampering your ability to ask for and receive help effectively.

Understanding the "normal" style and being able to use it, and using it when trying to communicate code with other people, is much easier for everyone and something you should consider putting some actual effort into, unless you're absolutely happy with everyone always finding your code weird.
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issue might also come from people who are into programming.

most people that are into CS were bullied when younger, and now that they are a bit older and have some "knowledge" they can feel powerful about, they just love turning into dicks all of sudden.

their truth is the only valid truth, and they love to force it to others. it applies to programming, it applies to dumb things such as OS selection, and you see it everyday here.

chances are the geniuses won't be in these "help" groups.

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How does this help me, the consumer?
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>>107645083
I'm not consuming anything other than a printed card, though. It just lets me use something that I already own in a more extensive way.
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>>107645158
You don't OWN SHIT you're paying to be able to use it.
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>>107645175
I didn't license my CPU from Intel! They sold me a product.
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>>107645014
it helps take your money and sends it to israel
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>>107645014
it upgrades your CPU, duh

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/dpt/ - Daily Programming Thread

Welcome to the Daily Programming Thread. What are you working on, /g/?
Previous thread: >>107575071
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>>107646868
>Books don't have empty lines
they sure do
and when they don't they're tiring to read because you have to keep track of where you are in the half-page block of text
but they're also better formatted, as long as you have that
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>>107646573
dumb cnile zealot

>it only means "hasnt been defined in the standard"
then define it
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>>107647043
you dont need to concern yourself with these things
go play somewhere else with your parenthesis lamao
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>>107646573
It's not defined in the standard because it's not deterministic, sometimes between implementations, sometimes between flags of the same implementation. The code will be there for O0 and debug builds and will disappear for O3 because the compiler takes the liberty to assume more things.
You can get valid pointers from sources other than malloc and the compiler can't enforce these invariants: the language doesn't have the semantics to enforce it.
The moment you define shit like strict aliasing to avoid UB "the industry" starts crying and plastering -fno-strict-aliasing on their projects.

>>107646639
It is an example of a non anemic language that tries to use types to remove the UB from C by letting the programmer define what should happen in case of UB.
ATS is actually quite interesting because the theory lets you generate efficient code, rather than slapping shit billion arenas and a garbage collector on top. Others are Cyclone and Rust. You can generate C from other languages: Haskell with Ogma.
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>>107647070
>It's not defined in the standard because it's not deterministic
i stopped reading there. what part of "implementation defined" dont you understand?

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So now that I have a "Ryzen AI™" laptop, what can I actually use it for? All of the marketing was about adobe slop, but I really don't care about generative ai.
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>>107646261
>lust provoking image
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>>107646922
Are you alright ?

mornin' retards and alike
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>>107646476
not her but I recommend community as a more persistent form of ego death
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I decided I had a functional purpose for a PAPE (specific inspiration/meditation material for my writing) so figured out out how to make one set by feh persist across reboots.

1/∞
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fun fact: my cat is lying right beside me in bed right now while i have my laptop on my lap, cats are kyuut, i like them.

>>107644304
i feel like i have seen this exact look for gnome top bars a lot now, do like the layout though, if i bother using gnome i'll probably base the top bar after yours the next time i bother using gnome

>>107645294
grass is always greener on the other side, you mac fuckers sometimes make me wish i used a mac

>>107645745
i like your firefox layout, maybe i could use it myself one day.

>>107645916
i have not so good memories in regards to dell

>>107646407

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>friend is like
>macOS > linux
>gives a bunch of retarded normie shit reasons that have fucking nothing to do with technology
what do?
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>>107617634
Who cares what normies think?
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>>107619485
I get to eat candy from all over the world (work with international visitors) and let me explain to you a simple truth: Hershey and Mars are better than 90% of that crap. Shitty artificial candy is not a uniquely US problem and there's a thousand shops where you can buy good candy just like every other country.
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>>107626322
Not everyone is a fatfuck amerimutt who's in tune with the lore of fucking snacks.
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>>107622120
>negro
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The team collected videos where creators show an on-screen gamepad overlay to train the AI.

NitroGen learned to map gameplay pixels to gamepad actions. It currently only works with controller based games.

nitrogen.minedojo.org
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>>107646512
I wonder how they managed to run CP2077 so flawlessly in their presentation? Was it able to handle inventory management aswell and actually advanced the character progression?

So far imo it's underwhelming. I've seen it perform only somewhat decent in fighting games. But anything else is terrible.
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>>107646512
this project has nothing to do with llms
>>107625945
military will probably fun the early stages of this, but any industrial process that could be automated by robots could be automated by something like this
see german autists playing "agriculture simulator" or "trucking simulator"
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>>107647003
That's no wonder, you can usually perform somehow okay in fighting games just randomly mashing buttons.
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>>107642132
those already exist
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>>107644701
>SEAmonkeys cheating
water is wet

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HDB Edition

>Not sure what private trackers are all about?
A private tracker is an invite-only torrent website. Each member shares common goals: collecting, preserving and discussing media.

>Have a question?
- FAQ https://archive.is/UVQkn
- WIKI https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Private_trackers
- NEWFAG PYRAMID https://inviteroute.github.io/graph or https://inviteroute.github.io/sheet/
- STUDY https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/2F379FE0CB50DF502F0075119FD3E060
- SPREADSHEET https://hdvinnie.github.io/Private-Trackers-Spreadsheet/
- TEN CURRY COMMANDMENTS https://pastebin.com/raw/dBbdE73M (embed)
- TEN NEON COMMANDMENTS https://pastebin.com/raw/Ud2pGYaE (embed)
- RED SPAMMER'S BIBLE https://rentry.org/69zbxh4h
- #ptg is on irc.sageru.org but it's pretty dead

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>>107646701
Path to TiK?
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>>107646680
i'll never stop posting about the hdbangladeshis until Nick removes them as staff.
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>>107646690
even in that list, BHD might be too much effort for what it's worth, HUNO is questionable (only included because of their good 4k webs) and probably a question of time before BLU is completely redundant with ATH, though it could remain a backup.
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>>107646709
A friend invited me. Online friend, no one I know IRL uses private trackers.
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>>107646436
its just one loud and obsessive loser

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Users of all levels are welcome to ask questions about GNU/Linux and share their experiences.

*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread ***

Check the Wikis (most troubleshoots work for all distros):
wiki.debian.org
wiki.archlinux.org
wiki.alpinelinux.org

>Which distro should I choose?
gnu.org/distros/free-distros.html
nosystemd.org
>What are some cool programs?
suckless.org
>What are some cool terminal commands?

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>>107646892
No need, because Ubuntu already does it.
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>>107640241
>slackware
I kneel.
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>>107646531
Given the cost of modern GPUs I think loads of people still have 1080 TI's, etc.

Dropping 32-bit support by comparison makes much more sense. 32-bit was dead years ago but some of these GPUs are still relevant. A lot of people may have handed down GPUs too. My Mum's PC for example still has my old 970 in it, although that's running Windows.
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Why isn't there a progress bar or a percentage with the Ark notification?
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>>107647062
Because progress bars are fake and gay. It doesn't know how long extracting will take. It will be done eventually

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Workers of the tech world, unite! - edition

>Manifesto
https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/61/pg61.txt

>Tech News & Industry Insights
The Register - https://www.theregister.com/
TechCrunch - https://techcrunch.com/
Hacker News - https://news.ycombinator.com/
Fudzilla - https://fudzilla.com/news
ZDNet - https://www.zdnet.com

>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io

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>>107645050
>>>/g/utwg
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>>107645147
you cna have a job and also be in the leetcode mines
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>>107642398
Well sar please do the needful and explain
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>Greetings of the day!
EVERY FUCKING TIME
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>>107638764
Just use React+Vite+WordPress.


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