Userbenchmark fucking sucks

>>101214519
>>101214484
i mean idgaf about glowniggers on my PC, i know that everything is backdoored rn, but if i could avoid some skiddie pwning my rig with github PoC then i would be content

>>101214619
>but if i could avoid some skiddie pwning my rig with github PoC then i would be content
you're looking at the wrong side then. you need a secure OS, not DRM hardware. bleeding edge linux is going to be more secure than debloated windows.

>>101214511
Does anyone know why my PC's Bluetooth won't pair or detect anything? I've tried my phone, headset, and earbuds, but nothing works. I've also tried going into services and setting the option to automatic, but it just resets

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I would never think i would say this in GPU context, Fucking based AMD. I have an RTX 3090 and i am playing games at 4K 120+ FPS highest settings thanks to FSR 3.1, I aint fucking upgrading tho those worthless new and next fucking gens NVIDIA can go suck a dick.

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>>101214646
true

>>101214750
10900K is the fastest CPU released for that socket so it will keep its value a very long time, as people purchase them to upgrade old systems
10700K is basically the same chip and should be markedly cheaper
but I hope you're not building new with that ancient 10th gen shit lol, and in fact I wouldn't even spend any money on a 10th gen box, just save it for new hardware

>>101214812
see if it works with a live OS (boot from external storage), that'll tell you if it's software or hardware

>>101214830
Same, i have Radeon 6800XT, as long as the game runs at atleast 40 fps i just enable FSR 3 get 80-90 fps and call it a day.

>>101214834
I'm still chillin on Sandy Bridge, the fact that you call 10th gen ancient speaks volumes.

>>101215008
>I'm still chillin on Sandy Bridge
based, if your cpu supports avx you're still "modern".

>>101214846
i prefer lsfg

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>>101214511
Is 360AIO worth it?

>>101215060
maybe

>>101215060
Wow, this sag is impressive.

>>101215068
I can hear the PCIe slot screaming in agony

>>101214612
>advanced marketer gets mad at facts
many such cases

>>101214830
Have you tried not being poor and just getting a real gpu?

>>101215130
the 3090 shits on litterally everything except the 4090

>>101215141
lolno

>>101215008
for buying parts now? yeah, it is ancient, that's skylake core my dude, that core architecture dates to 2015
it's cool that you're satisfied with the performance of your old box, seriously, good on you, but for buying right now? CPUs have come a long way in the last 9 years, time to get with the program

>>101215060
AIOs are a meme

>>101215107
hey, it's the userbenchmark guy!

>>101214830
Upgrade to an AMD GPU? I mean the company is doing more for (you) than wtv the fuck those 4060 8gb and 4070 12gb cards are supposed to be. And the scummy practice of locking new DLSS technology to them.

>>101215203
dlss framegen is superior to fsr frameblurring precisely because it leverages the architectural upgrades 4000 series offers . It isn't locking, it is giving you the premium experience and the cost is just how it works for such bleeding edge, unmatched features. FSR is obsolete and straight up holding back the industry but muh best friend and muh underdog means /g/ shills for inferior products just to get that little warm fuzzy feeling for row row fight da powa.

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a770 bros how we holdin up

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>>101215145
he's not right, but he's not completely wrong; performance outside of RT is similar to RX 7900 GRE and performance in RT is still better than any AMD GPU, heh -- comparing to 4000 series, the 4070 Ti can beat the 3090 but they do have less memory and generally you need a 4080 to consistently beat it in 4K

of course, the RTX 4000 GPUs also don't draw >1000W on transient spikes, but that's another conversation heh

>>101215249
you are literally retarded -- DLSS FG and FSR FG work in exactly the same way, lol

>>101215257
pic related
too bad it draws 3x as much power as anything else on the chart

>>101215288
i dont care about power consumption uses less than my 1080ti 69xt and 2080ti

>>101215288
>DLSS FG and FSR FG work in exactly the same way, lol
Yeah that is why fsr has more ghosting than a horror film while dlss provides a clean, crisp image. much same, many wow

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Day 451 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>101215257
do the intel gpus still work like poopoo for really old games? i remember seeing a vid where quake 2 stuttered like a mofo and quake 3 didn't work at all.

>>101215524
no idea i used it for cs2 and gave up gamings gay now would rather paddock bash my daily around dirt roads

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I remember when RTX2000s came out and raytracing was seen as a meme which halved your FPS. Why is it suddenly so important for everyone?

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>>101215257
What tdp do they predict on the kikemage ? six million?

>>101215590
no idea ill wait for celestial

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>>101215319
hey, if you feel good, keep living in your own world of unreality, brother

>>101215524
I can test it for you, gimme 2 minutes

>>101215575
because it makes games look a lot better
https://imgsli.com/MTg1MDg5

>>101215575
it still does but the shills have been working pretty hard to convince you that only cyberpunk is worth playing and any game without RT is salvageable trash.

>>101215524
MSI laptop with core ultra CPU that has arc graphics integrated, works fine for Quake II with Yamagi or RTX quake executables, Quake III works fin with ioquake3 (I don't have the original game executables to test)

>>101214830
Unfortunately they're so far behind now compared to the heydays of Evergreen and Southern Islands. It's just so disappointing that they can never compete again although they looked dominant at times way back.

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>same amount of xe cores while each core doubles performance
Thank you intel

>>101215602
>>101215656
alrite, thanks.
i know most ppl focus on newer games but the issues i mentioned with really old stuff made me completely dismiss arc cards.

Is there really a big difference between CL30 and CL36 RAM? Most benchmark videos I've seen for games there's like a 1fps difference yet the price difference is significant for example 30 euros

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>>101215716
it's nothing particularly revolutionary -- the biggest problem with 1st-gen arc is that it uses SIMD8s which are fundamentally incompatible with efficient performance on the majority of modern graphics software

for Xe2 they shifted to SIMD16s, doubling the width of the architecture while halving the number of execution units, so the actual compute capability per core is the same, it's just radically more efficient

>>101215825
memory latencies are measured in cycles, not real time, so you have to include the clock rate (which is one half of the transfer rate, so the clock rate of DDR5-6000 is 3000 MHz) to understand what you're looking at

the point of buying fast memory is to get high bandwidth and ideally, lower latency -- however, if you buy memory that has a high transfer rate but also higher latencies, you're gaining bandwidth but not latency

the problem is that main memory bandwidth is generally irrelevant for most gaming; the most important thing is the memory *latency*, which is why 3D V-Cache massively helps with gaming performance -- it reduces the *effective* memory latency by radically increasing the number of L3 cache hits (avoiding trips out to main memory, which are comparatively slow)

in general you want a CAS latency that gives you a 10 nanosecond first word latency or lower (CL <= memory clock rate /100), but the other latencies also matter a lot, particularly tRAS, the last number of the 4 commonly given

the short version is that you should avoid buying RAM with high latencies because it means it's actually slower RAM that's been lazily overclocked by loosening up the timings on the access, giving you a higher transfer rate but no better latency than if you bought 2666 or something

and the reason you see like a 1FPS difference is because average FPS is a bad metric for measuring game performance

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>>101215916
>actual compute capability per core is the sa-

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>>101215961
yes, it's true, lol -- the raw compute capability of each core is the same, and your slide bears that out
however, as I said, the efficiency is *radically* improved thanks to the new architecture

>>101215916
to elaborate on this memory timing stuff, even timings you don't normally look at can make a huge dfiference, pic related

>>101215916
>average FPS is a bad metric for measuring game performance
So what metric do you use to measure? Everything you said before that I couldn't understand as I can't see the correlation to performance or how it would affect the usage of the component.

>>101216079
I think he was implying 1% lows like here >>101216027

>>101216079
there are a lot of reasons why pure average FPS over time is a bad metric, starting with the fact that it is non-linear, mathematically speaking (15->30 FPS is a much larger gain in smoothness than 30->60 FPS), and the reason for THAT is because FPS is actually an inverse value, it's frames-over-time, when what we really want is just the time-per-frame, which gives us a linear value

this "time per frame" metric is called "frame time" and it's a time in milliseconds that usually describes the time between Present() calls for each rendered frame. the conversion is straightforward:

33.3ms frame time = 30 FPS
25ms frame time = 40 FPS
20ms frame time = 50 FPS
16.7ms frame time = 60 FPS
11ms frame time = 90 FPS
10ms frame time = 100 FPS

notice how each step up is less and less real time? that's what we mean by FPS being nonlinear, it's not really intuitive; going from 30 to 40 FPS is the same smoothness gain as going from 40 to 60 FPS

but moreover, the real problem is that average FPS doesn't really tell you anything about the experience of playing a game at that framerate -- it's very possible to have a game with an average FPS of 60 that looks exactly like a game with an average FPS of 30 because the frame pacing (the pace with which the frames are delivered) is all fucked up -- this is, by the way, the reason multi-GPU configurations died out, because they had impossible-to-resolve frame pacing issues; they'd put up huge benchmark numbers but the experience of playing on SLI sucked dick due to so-called "microstutter" (contd)

>>101216079
>>101216299
the problem is, it's not possible to create one single neat and easy number that accurately represents how a game performs on a particular system because there are too many variables
you really need to look at frametimes over a long benchmark with a lot of varied content and scenes to get a real picture of how a game actually runs on a given machine

the closest thing we can get to a single number that somewhat-accurately represents something like an idea of how a game really runs is the 1% low and/or 0.1% low frametime, depending on the benchmark duration (with a short benchmark, the 0.1% low represents so few frames that it doesn't matter, so I tend to stick to 1% lows because most people aren't doing benchmark runs of 90+ seconds)
1% low frametime represents the frametimes found only in the first percentile of the worst (slowest) frames during the benchmark.

Ideally you would have multiple values, so you'd compare the average against the 1% and 0.1% lows, as Gamers Nexus does there, and what this allows you to do is to compare the value of the lows against the average; if the lows are far from the average then the average is being inflated by high maximum FPS and the overall experience is really inconsistent and shitty, but if the lows are close to the average then you're getting a reliable and consistent experience

improvements in memory timings aren't going to show up as large gains in an average FPS benchmark because on AVERAGE memory latency isn't the thing limiting your frame rate, BUT they CAN give you significant improvements in your 1% low and especially 0.1% low frametimes because your memory is much more able to respond quickly to requests from the system, which in turn reduces small stalls, hitches, and stutters

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>>101216342
>>101216299
>>101216027
>>101216079
>>101215916
>>101215825
tl;dr low latency RAM helps improve smoothness which doesn't show up in average FPS benchmarks

>>101215575
It is still a meme lol. There is literally a few games with gaytracing.

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>>101216342
>>101216299
Thanks for the detailed answer, I actually understand what you mean now. In my opinion it's worth to shed a few extra bucks to get that smoothness because that's one of the things that bother me the most when playing games

>>101216373
>Crime Edge
Man I remember that shit being kind of weird because of MC's obsession with hair

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>>101216455
it was an extraordinarily weird premise, yeah

>>101216445
I'm glad it helped out anon
if you really want to get autismal about smoothness it's time to look up some guides about memory tuning but be warned that this is a rabbit hole you can literally spend days on

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based nvidia made the 3050 for us poorfags, one could argue that the 3060 is better but the 3050 still is a good choice considering its total price vs performance ratio, there's also the 2060 which can be obtained at the same price but people dont think about its total energy consumption which is much higher than that of the 3050, potentially forcing you to get a new psu, another win for us poorfags, and in the long run it will be easier to sell a 3050 than a 2060, also being capable of running AI stuff, reduces the value of AMD cards which makes them less desirable forcing a drop on its prices, another win for us who don't want to go the extra mile for top of the line products and just want so play some games casually and don't care about the nvidia vs amd debate

i really like how you can set clockspeeds per game on amd control panel. it saves a crap ton of power even if your gpu is not using the full utilization.

>>101214511
Is it worth upgrading from phanteks p300a to xt pro ultra for better airflow?

>>101216797
probably better to set a framerate cap though, that way the GPU can manage its own clock

>>101216801
P300A has pretty good airflow if you fill out the fan mounts -- are you having airflow problems?

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>>101214511
OP is spam. He posts the new OP before the old one has hit bump limit then lets the thread sit in the catalog for a few minutes to pretend it's not early

Imagine owning an amd gpu in year 2024

>>101217037
>>101217058
imagine being this gay

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>>101217058
imagine being loyal to a brand

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>>101212625
Well known that Radeon needs more VRAM relative to Geforce, or Radeon ends up crippled.

>>101214537
Bullshit and retarded

>>101213121
AMDfriends get really mad if you don't suck AMD's dick

>>101213186
Get at least a B650
Get a faster 2 TB SSD like the SN770
The Windforce is generally one of models that reviewed the worst. It's slightly more expensive, but the ASUS TUF Gaming is the cheapest decent 4070 Ti Super

What is all the ruckus surrounding Ryzen 9000 right now?

>>101217146
do you have any examples that aren't from the famously troubled RDNA 1 generation

>>101217146
>Radeon being more inefficient with memory management compared to GeForce
Holy shit I never thought I'd see this finally resurface. Another thing people don't bring up when praising Radeon for VRAM.

>>101217176
AMD fans are excited because +16% IPC at around a 30% reduction in power consumption vs. Ryzen 7000

Intel fans are jeering at Zen 5 offering only a 16% average IPC increase with no new features, increase in clocks, or core counts

take your pick of fanboy viewpoints but the ultimate result for enthusiasts is new CPUs that are both more overclockable and faster at a given clock rate

>>101217176
Noisy minorities complaining about the €310 9600x they'll never buy while ignoring how the 16-core 9950x is only €660, which is considerably cheaper than the 7950x at launch. And mind you, these prices are not official US pricing and are likely marked up at least 10% due to taxes let alone the early adopters tax

>>101217209
I wonder how much more we'll be able to overclock the 9000 chips that matter - vcache. The cache heat limit is more restrictive than anything else, so hopefully it won't just end up as "16% better chip" outside of production machines that don't overclock anyway to retain warranty and service contacts

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>>101217268
rumor has it that the 9000X3D parts will be unlocked for overclocking unlike previous-generation X3D parts
there actually is no cache heat limit, what the cache imposes is a strict voltage limit, which is why the X3D chips require entirely different V/F curves from the standard parts
AMD already admitted that ryzen 9000 is not going to beat the 7800X3D in gaming performance so most people on this board probably shouldn't care until next CES
personally I'm more interested in the long-rumored but still-unconfirmed Strix Halo part

>>101217257
You can buy 7800x3d for 300euros too, lel.

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>>101217186
There are many examples. AMD sponsored game crashes first on Radeon.

>>101216299
>FPS is actually an inverse value, it's frames-over-time
You can argue that FPS actually strays from directly reporting time, but in your table, 60 FPS average means that 30 FPS average takes twice the average rendering time. Same with 100 FPS vs 50 FPS. As long as you think in percentages and ratios, FPS is """fine""". Of course percentages are meaningless without any real values, but most people have some idea of what framerates are acceptable in particular situations.

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alright hermanos, I need you to give it to me straight:
Is there a discernible difference between 1440p and 4k? My consoomer brainrot tells me to upgrade my 1080p monitor to either a pretty good 1440p oled ultrawide, or a 32" 4k regular oled monitor, both around the same price tag. So I'd either get a 4070 ti super, or a 4090 along with it.
Will I be missing out if I don't get 4k?

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>>101215716
>each core doubles performance
Even if that's true, high end Xe2 will only be near the RTX 4070 in bar charts. And of course as is well known, bar chart averages are almost useless because reviewers generally gimp Geforce at every turn and do their best to make Radeon seem competitive. Other factors like upsampling quality, driver quality, RT perf, and other features are massively important, and Arc is substantially lagging especially in quality of life and XeSS adoption.

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>>101217146
Thanks for pointing out the mobo issue. It is a bit more pricey but I agree that the B650 seems to be the better choice. So I switched out the mobo for a B650, got a case with 3 fans and which is a bit more aesthetically pleasing, switched out the RAM for a smaller one with a better profile but same performance because I'm afraid the cooler will be a bit large and I switched out the HDD/SDD combo for a 2TB SSD with better speed which should be enough and if I need more I can easily upgrade later.

Now about the GPU, the ASUS TUF variant is quite a bit more expensive than the Windforce in my area. Is the Windforce variant really that shitty? My last GPU was from MSI and was quite happy with it. Would the MSI version be any better?

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>>101217478
>because reviewers generally gimp Geforce at every turn and do their best to make Radeon seem competitive.

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>>101215575
If you're a Geforce owner, you not only have decent RT performance, but you have decent reconstruction image quality, meaning you can often use RT. Radeonfriends are out of luck

>>101217441
What are the refresh rates on your monitors of choice?

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>>101215288
>the 4070 Ti can beat the 3090 but they do have less memory and generally you need a 4080 to consistently beat it in 4K
A 4070 Ti Super is enough to consistently beat a 3090 at 4K. Worth noting you'll need DLSS anyway in current games when targeting 4K with that level of performance (really any level of performance), so it's kind of a moot point

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>>101217478
>reviewers generally gimp Geforce at every turn and do their best to make Radeon seem competitive.
>not testing a game with RT is "gimping GeForce"
>not specifically catering to the strengths of one brand is "gimping" it
here's your sign

t. person who owns six AD103 GPUs and two AD102GL

>>101217441
yes. 2560×1440 is 3.7 megapixels
3840×2160 is 8.3 megapixels
it is more than double (2.25x) the resolution
the difference is very clear and I can make a slimg for you if you really want to see

>>101217509
note that you're comparing using cyberpunk 2077 and dying light 2, two of the games with the very heaviest RT workloads (as they combine multiple RT effects simultaneously) -- on games with lighter RT workloads AMD does just fine

>>101217593
abject nonsense, there are literally thousands of games released in the last five years that play completely fine in native 4K without DLSS (you can keep your temporal smearing horseshit, thanks, and that goes for FSR upscaling and XeSS too)

>>101217636
Woah a seething amdrone in the flesh!

>>101217523
both are 240hz
>>101217636
Would you say the quality of 4k is enough to justify skipping 1440p entirely and just going for a high end gpu?

>>101217636
>yes. 2560×1440 is 3.7 megapixels
You missed that that anon is thinking of 1440p ultrawide, not regular 16:9

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>>101217503
>the ASUS TUF variant is quite a bit more expensive than the Windforce in my area
I would try to look up reviews of specific models if possible. The Windforce doesn't have a Quiet BIOS switch (AFAIK), and Gigabyte makes the fans go brr on the default BIOS. If Gigabyte is cheaper in general for you look for one of the better models, like the Gaming variant. The 4070 Ti Super is AD103 like the 4080, so it needs decent but not excessive cooling.

>>101217441
I think its more about the monitors themselves. If you really want the ultrawide form factor, obviously get that, but generally the 4K OLEDs are higher quality (the subpixel structure isn't as important at that pixel density, etc). Personally I would go with a 16:9 4K display

>>101217636
>not specifically catering to the strengths of one brand is "gimping" it
Considering the wide adoption of both DLSS and RT (as proven by the games tested in >>101217478, in other words, most games tested these days have one or both features), yes, specifically avoiding those features is gimping Geforce, much like reviewers avoiding tessellation in the old days was an attempt to make Radeon seem competitive. Reviewers arbitrarily decrease quality settings from maximum simply to make Radeon seem competitive.

>on games with lighter RT workloads AMD does just fine
There are some games like Spiderman that have useful RT and are also light enough to work well with Radeon, but most games with impactful RT are performance intensive, meaning not only does the base RT perf need to be good, but the upsampling / reconstruction quality needs to be good as well. Radeon currently isn't a reasonable choice if you want the option of advanced rendering features with good quality

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>>101217636
>there are literally thousands of games released in the last five years that play completely fine in native 4K without DLSS
Not the most recent and demanding ones, and most big UE5 titles will fall into this category. Thus far there are more UE5 titles that can't run at a locked 4K 60 FPS with a 4090 than can do so (at least if we're excluding DLSS)

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>>101217704
yes I hate NVIDIA so much I spent $12,000 on a pair of GPUs

now kill yourself corporate cuck tribalist faggot

>>101217784
I would say that there are many advantages to having a higher-resolution monitor, and with the advent of smart scalers (not just DLSS etc, but also NIS and RSR, plus game/engine solutions like TSR and IGTI) there is little downside to buying a higher-resolution display

>>101217804
okay, well, 4.95 megapixels instead of 3.8 -- the point stands (also, don't buy an ultrawide, don't fall for the UW meme)

>>101217821
> wide adoption of both DLSS and RT
this is only true if you look at the most exclusive AAA games, anon. neither DLSS or RT are widespread in the gaming industry, especially not RT. I don't agree with your conclusions in the first nor second paragraph. I demonstrated 3 games (and there's another offhand, metro exodus) that run great on AMD with "advanced rendering features" enabled

>>101217873
we're talking about games, anon, not hyper-woke interactive slideshows

and I'm shitposting, but I'm also not -- out of those "recent and demanding" games, what do you actually want to play? do you really enjoy hellblade? I sure don't. forspoken? lol. fuckin', immortals of aveum? that shitty avatar game? alan fucking wake 2? have there been any good games made on unreal 5 yet besides fortnite (which wasn't MADE ON unreal 5)?

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>>101217636
>>101217873
>(you can keep your temporal smearing horseshit, thanks, and that goes for FSR upscaling and XeSS too)
And even at 4K, you'll need antialiasing of some kind, and mostly TAA will be your only option. DLSS is often better than or equivalent to the developer's default TAA implementation. Additionally, most UE5 games in a year or two will ship with reconstruction as mandatory part of the rendering pipeline.

>There is no option for "no upscaling,"
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/senuas-saga-hellblade-2-benchmark/3.html

>>101217877
>neither DLSS or RT are widespread in the gaming industry
This is just false. Nvidia has a DLSS plugin for Unreal, and pretty much all Unreal games come with DLSS. Most of the demanding games, especially non-AAA games, that come out these days are Unreal.

>metro exodus enhanced
It runs great on Radeon now (props to 4A), but it didn't for a long time, and of course most anons don't have powerful enough hardware to run the game with out reconstruction, and DLSS is massively better than FSR, especially the FSR in ME:E.

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>>101217903
>have there been any good games made on unreal 5 yet
Whether you want to play them is besides the point. You don't buy a new graphics card for old games

>>101214511
What controller should i get?

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Why isn't there benchmark of Am5 670 boards? Like I am trying to buy best for the buck, but it's hard to find anything besides some random per board review.

>>101217821
What do you think about the 7900XT?

>>101218056
>What controller should i get?
Xbox controllers just work even on older titles so I'd recommend the series x controller

>>101218010
Metro Exodus Enhanced absolutely did run great on AMD at launch because it was optimized for the RDNA 2 consoles
the OG metro exodus release didn't run well on AMD but that's because it was an NVIDIA-sponsored title (not that NVIDIA intentionally made it run bad on AMD, but it was simply optimized for NVIDIA)

> Most of the demanding games, especially non-AAA games, that come out these days are Unreal.
false - avatar is snowdrop - alanwake2 is northlight - baldur's gate is divinity - insomniac's games (e.g. rift apart) are on their own engine - horizon forbidden west is decima - call of duty is on its own engine - battlefield is on its own engine - apex legends is on source - F1 24 is on EGO engine - starfield is on Creation engine - FFXIV Dawntrail is on its own engine - monster hunter is on MT framework - resident evil, dogma, and street fighter are on RE engine
Unreal isn't actually that widely used anymore, it's not Xbox 360 UE3 days

DLSS is somewhat common in demanding games (though still not ubiquitous by any means) but RT effects are still pretty rare

> you'll need antialiasing of some kind
can you find me the game where I can't turn AA off and use driver FXAA/MLAA? because that's what I usually do, TAA looks like shit

>>101218032
it isn't beside the point at all!
the core of the argument is whether those games are relevant to the discussion of what GPU to buy, and if you don't want to play them, they aren't relevant to the conversation, ergo the question of whether the games are actually good is, well, rather critical

>>101218076
no one reviews motherboards because it doesn't matter for performance, just look at the specs sheet anon

>>101218056
I have a half-dozen of these, they're excellent pads
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CPXZKWY5
for a little more you can get the version with bluetooth but IME bluetooth pads are laggy
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B9BGJVLL

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>>101218135
So there is no difference in power delivery for cpu? If I buy 14+2+1 phase one is it same as every other 14+2+1, quality of component don't matter at all?

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>>101218195
generally speaking no, it doesn't matter unless you are going for serious hardcore overclocking
even looking at the number of phases isn't really something you should bother with if you aren't going for major overclocking, if the CPU is on the CPU support list for the board then it will work
you aren't buying a bottom-of-the-barrel shit board anyway, right anon?

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>>101218097
I am strongly against Radeon at that price point. Lacks way too many features and the quality of life is too low to be considered.

>>101218135
>Metro Exodus Enhanced absolutely did run great on AMD at launch
I'm not going to dig up the data, but this is definitely not true.

>Unreal isn't actually that widely used anymore
You're crazy, brother. Scroll through the tested titles on GameGPU and you'll see that most demanding games are Unreal
>still wakes the deep
>alters
>hellblade 2
>steel seed
>atomic heart
>body cam
>drive (not unreal)
Of the games on the first two pages, all but one of the games tested are on Unreal. Smaller studios certainly can't maintain their own engines. Even CDPR is switching to Unreal, unfortunately.

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>>101218242
I've literally never heard of any of these except hellblade 2, atomic heart, and bodycam -- and bodycam is just shameless asset flip garbage ripping off unrecord's idea
so yeah, a bunch of low-selling indie games; literally the entire list as hellblade 2, atomic heart, and bodycam are all sub-AAA-tier, versus the most popular titles on Steam, heh... unreal sure is popular

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>>101218312
Again, if you're playing old games, you don't need a new graphics card. If you actually play or at least mess with games, yes you'll be running into Unreal constantly. I played Hellblade II, the Alters demo, and part of Still Wakes the Deep. Another game I'm working on is the System Shock remake, which is Unreal 4. Unreal is ubiquitous, and pointing out that CS2 and Dota are the most played games doesn't change that fact

Unreal - most common engine by far
Unity - distant second

huh I thought AMD fanboys lying on the internet was just memes but here we are.

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>>101218379
who said anything about old games? I've been having a blast lately with Champion Shift (Unity), Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin (in-house), and of course the Elden Ring DLC (in-house). This year I also enjoyed Gunhead (Unity), Umbraclaw (in-house), Palworld (Unreal but no RT), Withering Rooms (Unity), and Pseudoregalia (Unreal but no DLSS/RT) off the top of my head
of course, I'm also still playing Warframe (Evolution engine) and PSO2:NGS (in-house engine), but I guess those are "old games"

How annoying is the anti-burnin countermeasures on oled? The idea of knowing the monitor has to take 10 minutes to rest every 4 hours or some shit I feel is gonna drive me crazy.

>>101218897
well at least i get to enjoy bbc porn with the truest black color

>>101218897
I don't find it annoying as i'm not terminally online.

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Is the stock paste included with my Peerless Assassin 120 fine for a Ryzen 7 5800X in a case with a 3080 Ti? Or should I spend the extra little bit to get grizzly or whatever people are using now.

why cant i just swap my old ssd into my new build and have it work as my main drive
sick of it

>>101219016
It is fine.

>>101219051
You can. Should you is a different question.

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>>101218502
I just want a new gpu so i can play this at extreme ultra coomer presets.

>>101219270
that game is only on PS5, anon

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>>101219286
Sony paid for timed exclusivity

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>>101218502
I have 1000+ hours in PSO2 just staring other people's butts and boobs.

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>>101214511
>Budget
2K €
>Country
Italy
>Current specs
GTX 1060 6GB, Intel i5-6500, HP Omen (1440p, 240Hz refresh rate; the monitor is new and ideally I would love to build my next pc around it)
>Build list
See video. I haven't used pcpartpicker because it doesn't grab the best offers from my country.
>Use cases
Gaming at 240 fps on 1440p (Overwatch, TF2, Chivalry some RPG games, retro gaming); a capable and long-lasting (insert joke here) working machine for light coding on Linux and possibly streaming and light video editing in the future; managing huge chunks of multimedia and various data almost on a daily basis; AI image gen through local Stable Diffusion.

>>101214511
I'm gonna jack off to those feet and shoes

>>101214511
realistically how long can an oled monitor last with heavy mixed usage?
1.2k+€ for something that might not last a year feels wrong

>>101219409
yep, it won't last a year. everyone reports this problem.

>>101219409
RTings have been blasting first gen panels at full brightness playing only CNN 24/7 for a year and burn in is not much of an issue. Remember, this is 24/7 usage of very static content. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7V_OOu6B8

Mixed content is going to dramatically increase lifespan.

>>101219347
Waste of money 600 euro for 12gb card, wait for next gen.

>>101219347
the usual caveat recommending an AMD CPU (especially 7800X3D) since your primary use case is gaming
note that the P3 is DRAMless, check out the ADATA Premium ("for PS5," but it'll work anywhere), Mushkin Vortex Redline, Hynix P41 Platinum, Corsair MP600 PRO, Acer Predator GM7000, Solidigm P44 Pro, Team A440/Z440, or WD SN850X as alternatives

>>101219322
based

>>101219310
and yet, you can't play it now, can you

>>101219409
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/longevity-results-after-10-months

>>101219453
this
if you are a Starcraft or FFXIV player or something else where the UI is on screen at all times 24/7 and totally static then don't get an OLED, everyone else will be fine

>>101216299
>>101216342
All these words to get anon to spend more on RAM without even asking if he has a GPU where it even matters

Whi needs marketing when you got tards like this

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>>101219347
if you can beat amazon.it's prices then it will be under 2000 euro
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/ynjmt7
- better CPU for games
- good enough cooler
- double the RAM
- dual M.2 SSDs, 4.0 with DRAM cache
- ATX 3.0 power supply so no adapter needed

>>101219533
it matters even with a low-end GPU, brainlet

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>>101219286
For now. Imagine it on a PC, it will be glorious.

>>101219593
>it matters even with a low-end GPU, brainlet
Nah, you like to think it matters so you don't feel like you're wasting your time bikeshedding over this shit lol

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>>101219611
I get paid for "bikeshedding" over this shit, loser
it is literally my job to know these things

>>101219676
Paid by whom, Gskill?
I can't imagine many others would be paying to know shit that's irreverent outside of gaymer systems.

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I've joined the HDR club finally. What are some good games to test drive the monitor with when it arrives?

>>101219756
Cyberpunk
NFS heat
Horizon forbidden west
far cry 5
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Your fav game that works with autoHDR

>>101217503
I got an RM850e recently, and it had coil whine while idling - any load, even opening Chrome, made it go away, but it would come back once the program was loaded. Quiet but noticeable. I got a replacement, same thing. Switched to a Super Flower Leadex VII while on sale, no problems yet.

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>>101219706
>please doxx yourself on 4chan
not today, FBI

>>101219756
>>101219864
another vote for Ori, also games that want high contrast, Dragon's Dogma 2 is pretty great for that, also Doom Eternal looks awesome in HDR but then you have to play Doom Eternal

Current rig: 3770k clocked on Noctua D14, GTX1060 6Gb, 14 years old 750W Chieftec PSU, SATA SSD storage.

Budget: like 200-250 bucks.

Purpose: 1080p vidya, emulation.

Country: Eastern European poorland.

Does any reasonable CPU + mobo/memory upgrade exist for this kind of money? Ideally something clockable to make use of that chunky aluminum thing I have, but not sure if I can afford anything at all.

> But your GPU is also shit
True, but at least I can buy a new one sometime later. What I'm anxious about is that one day my prehistoric tech will kick the bucket and shit I can do with it. Can't even update to Win11 at this point.

>>101215148
>AIOs are a meme
what is the hottest cpu you ever tried to cool

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>>101219969
you can sitll get some benefit from upgrading CPU with that old GPU, I have a friend playing modern games on a modern rig with GTX 1060 3GB

you could do something like this which isn't too bad at all: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TwJhQP
but I would just try to save up and if you can get to $300-350 there are options in the current-gen

>>101220034
Ryzen Threadripper PRO 7995WX
I am this anon >>101217877
protip: when Lenovo, HP, Dell, and other companies build workstations with 400+ watt CPUs, they don't use liquid coolers
AIOs are a meme

>>101219864
>>101219756
>>101219916
I keep reading you need windows 11 for hdr to work well. Is that really true?

>>101219969

you could probably find 7000-8000-9000 i7's equipped in prebuilts for that price.

buy a secondhand/prebuilt office PC that has semi-standard parts and just combine your shit with the "new" mobo/cpu from the prebuilt. you'll be much better off than where you are now.

>>101220075
kinda.
Windows 10 works for HDR and AutoHDR is there too but the overall implementation in Windows 11 is better, it's less buggy and more likely to work in games
note that I'm speaking in relative terms though, HDR is still kind of a clusterfuck on Windows no matter which you have and it requires a lot of tweaking and tuning to make it work well

>>101220132
My understanding is autohdr is useless now since nvidia's version is better.

>>101220144
RTX HDR does not work if you have more than one monitor, so that's kind of shit
but yeah probably? I don't use HDR in any games that don't natively support it so I don't really know, haven't messed with that

>>101220059
>protip: when Lenovo, HP, Dell, and other companies build workstations with 400+ watt CPUs, they don't use liquid coolers
terrible argument, all those companies kept their workstations passive for as long as possible before finally adding fans to various heatsinks because they are always trying to nickel-and-dime and dont care about cutting edge performance like overclocking etc
if someone is not confident enough to go for the custom loop, but doesnt want air, the AIO is between them
a meme in cooling would be peltier or something
now post 7995wx cinebench

been out of the hobby for a few years since i got a deal on a used thinkstation
now i want to build a workstation mainly for work (compiling, virtualization) but also for a few games
wanted to go for a threadripper build but prices are stupidly high in my country (Mexico) so I think I'll settle for a ryzen 9

I'm liking the ryzen9 7950x3d due to their core count and energy consumption
is it good?

i remember yhat a few years ago nvidia was not a good choice for linux even with the proprietary drivers
has this situation changed? or is radeon still the safer option (if i were to guess dlss and/or rt might not be available in linux)

>>101215060
Arctic's yes.

What's a safe memory temperature? Bought a 7900 xtx Hellhound and was seeing hot spot hit over 100c on gpu so I swapped to PTM7950. GPU hot spot temps came down, but my memory temps are still hitting 104c. Is that too high?

>>101215825
1 fps more is easily worth €30. Compare the fps of different gpu classes and their prices.

>>101220353
>he buy xtx

dude you should return it not toying with it.

>>101220353
Underclock it little bit or get case with actual air flow.

Corsair has gone full kike and requires that you connect to the internet to install their keyboard software so I refuse to give them money.

Which mechanical keyboard manufacturer is the least kikey?

>>101217312
> admitted that ryzen 9000 is not going to beat the 7800X3D in gaming performance
No, but 9000X3D will.

>>101220484
Any that have QMK/VIA support

>>101219916
>not today, FBI
So not even a self-employed proto-NEET "consultant"?
Jesus chirst
How deep does the /pcbg/ shill rabbit hole go? There are literally mutiple of you fuckers

>>101220353
Memory can take a lot of heat.

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>>101220247
I hope you appreciate that because I had to hook that shit up (I am a little person) after taking it down for the photo earlier
and then when I booted it it had to install a fucking windows update so the score is a little lower than it should be, but anyway, enjoy

>>101220353
110C is max for GDDR6/6X so you are OK
you can get thermal pads and install it between memory and HSF to try and improve it

>>101220508
well, uh, yes, of course

>>101220556
who exactly am I shilling for, anon

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>>101214511
>According to Hardware Unboxing, the best combination is an AMD CPU and an NVIDIA GPU. Intel CPUs are overpriced, and the motherboard socket is limited for upgrades, while AMD GPUs have poor drivers and lack ray tracing capabilities.

>>101220353
is your gpu sagging?

>>101220796
Ancient Gameplays is more trustworthy and he says AMD CPU+AMD GPU is the best combo. Also here's a trick Nvidia retards dont want you know about and want you to overspend on your next GPU purchase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGKQougp4AE

>>101220484
Unicomp.

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>>101220484
Kinesis

>>101220725
>who exactly am I shilling for, anon
Personally I wouldn't put it past there being a whole Taiwanese cabal at this point, place is such an inbred country in more than a few ways.

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>>101220836

>>101220484
wooting. best keyboard on the market, even sounds decent with some work

>>101220816
A little bit. Does it matter?>>101220648
How much is a lot?

>>101220974
see >>101220725
and get something under your GPU so it does not sag

>>101214511
Isn't LG UG 24GN65R a better monitor than Asus VG249Q1A?

>>101220484
razer synapse have a new software that doesnt need log in and internet

>>101220974
it does matter. powercolor shipped a anti sag bracket for their last gen card for a reason. without it, hotspot temps get worse on core and memory. the sag is acting as counter pressure.

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Just put this new computer up, and I'm having trouble setting EXPO on my Asrock B650M PG Riptide.

I have tried numerous settings, but the system just won't boot.

I was going for EXPO 6000 CL30.
EXPO 6000 CL34 also didn't work.
Neither did EXPO 6800 CL34.

It's a pain clearing the CMOS.

I'm using a 7900X.

Currently at 3600 CL30 as I write this post.

Is incense actually a safe way to see my PC's airflow? It won't fuck with anything?

any rec for two 140mm case fans?
the Arctic P12/P14 Max (5-pack) seems a bit expensive
i'd prefer something around $10 each

>>101221144
are you using 4 DIMMs?

>>101221175
it's no worse than any other kind of smoke, if that's what you mean, but it's bad to do it frequently or often

>>101221197
$10US each is very cheap for 140mm fans, anon
quality fans will run you like $18-25 at a minimum

>>101221045
no
the LG has terrible 700:1 contrast and that's reason enough to never buy it, IPS glow out the ass
but both are low-end monitors and neither one really has a huge advantage over the other in any particular area, I bet ASUS is bullshitting about the contrast of the TUF

>>101221115
I see. I have the bracket, but didn't bother installing it. Thanks for the advice.

>>101221237
>are you using 4 DIMMs?
I am. They are all the same.

>>101221256
Do not expect anything past 5400-5600MT to post when using 4 DIMMS
Absolutely you will not be able to run EXPO speeds and timings

>>101220484
FREEWOLF K8 under 60 usd from amazon or ali or equivalent chink shipper

>>101214511
>AVOID: Dark Rock Pro 4/5, Noctua
Even on tropics, where those few degrees are needed?

>>101221175
incense or your vape is fine. as long as its not cigarette smoke, that's tar.

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>>101221256
this >>101221316
and it's true on Intel and AMD platforms
DDR5 is a bad standard and 4DIMMs does not work well
pull two DIMMs and they will do EXPO just fine

>>101221418
it's more that other coolers can get the same thing done for less money, they're not bad by any means though

>>101218056
i love the dualsense controller

>>101221447
>DDR5 is a bad standard and 4DIMMs does not work well
It's more you're at the limits of what's realistic with a DIMM.
PC ricers are the ones with unrealistic standards

I NEED THE FASTEST BUT ALSO REASOANBLY PRICED HIGH REFRESH RATE MONITOR ON THE MARKET
refresh rate first
and I need it now lest I suffer a competitive disadvantage against my rivals this tournament
what are my options under $500? 1080p or 1440p works, prefer 27" or less

How does this look? I threw together a simple >$2k build with a 4070 ti super that I'll replace with a 5000 series gpu in a year or two.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HgVMQP

Amd shills constantly screech about "muh price/perf" but never tell you that AMD GPUs just randomly like to run like shit in certain games, like fallout 76
I'm considering sidegrading to the 4070 because of this shit

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>>101221563
Xiaomi curved 30, bonus no faggy branding. It has 180hz through hdmi and 200 through dp. It's VA, but I like it personally.

good morning saars im getting a new credit card i will get $200 if i spend $1000 in the first 90 days im building a new pc anyway will NVIdeo RaytraceX 5080 be out in this time? Thank you saaaaars

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>>101218502
>Champion Shift
Runs on anything, 30% GPU usage on a 1080
https://youtu.be/1oDJ206SSI4?si=ubWBGOw6eioMhIs-&t=685

>Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin
Two and a half year old game for the PS4
Doesn't look good or require a good graphics card

>Elden Ring DLC
Another PS4 game, DLC for an old game that runs on a 1060

>Gunhead
DX11 game that will run on anything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-lMOkrqGN0

>Umbraclaw
Pixelshit that will run on anything

>Withering Rooms
2.5D game that runs on anything

"you'll see that most demanding games are Unreal" >>101218242
You listing a bunch of non-demanding games doesn't refute what I said, and in fact it confirms it. You don't need a good graphics card to play those games: something from five years ago will be just fine.

>>101219756
Here's a youtube channel that analyzes HDR in games
https://www.youtube.com/@GamingTech-YouTube

>>101219969
Considering your RAM is DDR3, you're going to have to get new memory.

>>101221563
this is important for you so just get a 480hz oled, oled has instantaneous response time too

>>101220157
>RTX HDR does not work if you have more than one monitor,
I would doubt this

>>101220297
DLSS and RT are available
Ask in >>>/g/fglt

>>101220484
>>>/g/mkg

>>101220836
>ancient gameplays
He's a former poorfag AMDfriend, not reliable
I did find it funny that he was creaming himself over FSR3.1 upsampling, which is something than Nvidiafriends have had access to for five years

>>101221144
Update BIOS
Make sure you give the system time to train
Add a little voltage to SoC
But with four sticks, you're going to have trouble. You might have to run at JEDEC
Supposedly, Ryzen 9000 will have better compatibility with four sticks

>>101221563
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TdbRsY/hp-omen-27qs-270-2560-x-1440-240-hz-monitor-omen-27qs

>>101221582
Get the 990 Pro
6400 MT/s CL30 RAM will likely require some tweaking to run stably
Windforce is a bad model. Get the Gigabyte Gaming or the ASUS TUF Gaming

do i need a new cooler if i put my 5600 through overnight rendering at 80C

>>101221799
no

>>101221563
do not buy a VA LCD monitor for competitive gaming, jesus christ >>101221686
I don't know what's "reasonably priced" to you anon but here is a very good price on a 360Hz QD-OLED with instant response times and extremely low input lag: https://www.bestbuy.com/site/6576568.p

>>101221585
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcBDZsXg8Iw
this fag runs around at >80 FPS in 4K ultra on a 7800XT, what's your problem?

>>101221582
wouldn't buy a samsung SSD personally but otherwise it looks fine, motherboard's kinda cheap (no PCIe 5.0 for next-gen GPUs) but it probably doesn't matter

>>101221905
https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1boealh/is_there_a_fix_for_dual_monitor_rtx_hdr/

>>101222083
no.

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>go to https://www.asus.com/campaign/GPU-Tweak-III/us/index.php
>click download gpu tweak 3 button
>this comes out
The fuck is this?

>>101222254
ahahahaha
just click "stable versions" and get the latest stable, the beta is old as fuck anyway

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I have cleared the cable management challenge and ascended to a higher level.
The front panel audio port doesn't pick up interference from my power cables anymore.

>>101219371
fr, as a foot coomer for a decade I've never seen good Anime girl feet until OP posted them dogs

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Sold my last desktop computer back in 2020 and have been using a laptop since. Now I'm looking to go back. This is the build I'm planning. Any suggestions or changes I should make?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qKnYxH

>>101222467
looks OK to me anon

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>>101222467
looks pretty good, those XPG power supplies don't get the credit they deserve
you could double-check whether that teamgroup RAM is dual- or single-sided, better to be dual-sided but it doesn't matter that much
would grab a couple of extra fans
I assume you're planning to upgrade to zen 5?

>>101222438
congratulations anon

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SSD check.
Post your scores.

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>>101222171
>But that aside, you can use win+p to toggle off 1 monitor, launch the game and then toggle the second monitor back on.
Seems easy enough to work around, so it does work. The only fault would be if you needed all monitors to use RTX HDR at the same time, like if you're running three for a cockpit sim

>>101222467
Avoid Radeon
Get B650 unless you know you need X670
Make sure the PSU is ATX 3.0

Have we reached a ceiling for how fast loading times can be in games? Or can we someday load an entire overworld in a split second?

>>101222941
>Have we reached a ceiling for how fast loading times can be in games?
Not by a longshot but the problem is on the software side of things.

>>101222864
>Avoid Radeon
Since I use Windows on my laptop already, I was planning on installing Linux Mint for this machine. Otherwise, I'd have spend $50 more for the 4070 Super.
>Get B650 unless you know you need X670
I chose that board for its great reviews. It seems like one of the best boards to get for less than $200.
>Make sure the PSU is ATX 3.0
I did and it is.

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>>101222864
>he thinks it's fine to disable your side monitors while gaming
amazing what fanboys will acquiesce to

>>101222821
pic related

>>101223050
over B650, X670 gets you:
- eight PCIe 5.0 lanes (bringing the total to 44 vs. 36)
- another USB3 port, 6 more USB3.1 ports, and another USB 3.2 port
- and four more SATA ports

it's a perfectly reasonable selection, although there is also a valid argument to wait for X870 next month, as that will get you PCIe 5.0 on the GPU and standard USB 4.0 support

>>101222941
absolutely not
you can already load an entire overworld in a split second—PCIe 5.0 SSDs can peak at 14GB/second—if the application is programmed well and the hardware is configured correctly, but none of this is ever the case

>>101223147
>off then on
Are you literate?

>>101215060
Legend has it that they're not angling the PCI-E slots to account for the ever increasing degree of sag.
If you tried to brace this or straighten it, you'd only be doing more harm than good.

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>>101223187
hmm, apparently not
may give this a shot to verify in a bit

If I want to build a replacement PC for a Core2 E8400 with 4GB what should I be searching for?
I want to compute faster. Videocard means nothing.

>>101223285
i5 13400 wont break the bank and offers insane compute or just go 9950x in 1 month's time if you can afford it

>>101223285
literally any modern PC will absolutely annihilate that box, anon
fastest CPUs on standard desktop platforms (i.e. not insanely expensive adapted server CPUs) are the intel 14900KS and AMD 7950X, but both have their limitations (7950X falls behind in single-core, 14900KS has stability problems out of the box due to being pushed past the point of reason - this also applies to the 13900K, 13900KS, 14700K, and 14900K)

>>101223188
AIBs just need to step the fuck up and make physically stiffer cards, like the Nvidia FEs

Should i spend 100$ more for a 6800 or just go with the 6750xt?

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>>101223398
f you're planning on spending $100 more than what the 6750 XT goes for on the market, then you might as well go with the 7700 XT.

Is the Corsair h100x 240mm enough for a 14700k?

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>I just need one more upgrade
>I can quit anytime, it's just that I wanna make my pc future proof, haha
>If I'm getting a new motherboard, I might as well get a new CPU as well...and new RAM wouldn't hurt either...eh, fuck it, I'll just do a complete overhaul, might as well, haha
>The human body can function perfectly well with just one kidney, I'll be fine.
>Jensen Huang's cock will not remain unsucked under my watch

>>101223543
Yeah, don't see why not.

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>>101222821
Samsung 970 EVO Plus

I'll probably upgrade for 4.0 NVME once I ditch my B450 motherboard, not even sure it's worth it but might as well

>>101223561
Sounds good, thanks

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>>101222821

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>>101214511
>tfw sidegraded from 200W housefire 13900KS to 65W comfy 7800x3d
>$500 richer too
feels good anons

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>GN review praises the 50€ Thermalright AIO
>tfw just ordered Arctic LFIII yesterday
oh well, could have saved 30 bucks I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPQ-UvavT8Q

>>101222941
>>101222985
Insomniac's tech lead talked about this, their game engine for Spider-Man 2 was bottlenecking Gen 4.0 NVMe drive loading speeds.
https://youtu.be/fuu_wseJnIE?t=1670

>>101215498
Will it be game changing?

>>101223718
I'm still on my 10700k because my gpu is always at 100% at 1440p/4k. As long as games keep getting more demanding, I will never have to buy a new one.

>>101223748
I was actually on my old 9900KS (basically a factory OCd 10700K) for a while during the transition and it was majorly bottlenecking my gaymen particularly in 8-16 man dives in deep rock galactic where it would drop to the 40-50s so it depends on what you play ig
7800x3d handles it all like a champ with its 6x L3 cache and 1.4X ipc improvement

>>101223748
You don't want the GPU at full utilization, the newest frames will be stuck in the GPU's render queue and increase system latency.
NVIDIA Reflex deliberately throttles the GPU utilization just under full load to prevent any new frames from being stuck in the render queue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmoLJwS6eQ

If you don't have a Reflex-compatible video card, you can set game-specific maximum frame limits to achieve similar system latency reduction.

>>101223741
Probably not. I still wait.

wtf anons after suffering with a dual core laptop I got a cheap R5-2600, filled it with 32GB of mem, RX 470 and Debian Bookworm, suprisingly it can handle absolutely everything I throw at it productivity wise
>compilin shit w/ docker
>runnin vms
>listenin to shitty music
>shitpostin on 4chins
>watchin porn streams
>programmin in java (netbeans)
all at the same time, no fucks given

>>101223620
>>101223695
nice faggot test results there buddy boy
nobody cares

>>101222821
at least you have some shred of competency, not enough, but t least an effort of some kind was made with the 5x consecutive test runs vs the other retards testing 1GiB in a single pass.

Either way you guys are doing nothing but benchmarking the cache zone, you're not seeing the real write performance lmao.

Intel-Aviv ME (Mossad Entrance)
Advanced Monitoring Devices PSP (Pentagon Secret Passageway)

I'm still using a ryzen 1600. If I didn't have several issues with my build I'd just add in a 5700x3d and be done with it.

>>101220077
>>101220059
Thanks for the suggestions, anons.
> but I would try to save up and if you can get to $300-350 there are options in the current-gen
What you'd recommend in that price range if I save up?

>>101221810
> Considering you RAM is DDR3, you're going to get new memory.
Yes, I realize that. That's what I said - CPU + mobo, memory.

I have an extra 3.2 gen 1 header in my build, what can I do with it?

Here's the build in question: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pxVVN6
Region: USA
Budget: ~$2000

>>101223947
6 core 4.1ghz thinkpads are like $250 on eBay these days, you just had really ancient shit

>>101224706
>1x48gb
Wut

>>101224971
I'm going with that in case I ever want to add a lot more RAM, plus it's about as expensive as 2x32

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fuck covid
fuck AI

Anons i need some help
I plan on getting the AP201 to move my parts in. Checking the interior I noticed a potential problem I have an RX6600 and 2 HDDs that would most likely block the bottom vents. Would I have trouble with the gpu cooling? Should I get a larger case?

>>101225046
Any particular reason you want your $2k build's memory performance to be shit, until you decide to buy another 48gb of the wrong latency because what you bought isn't available anymore?

>>101225280
Rx6600 doesn't even make much heat it's a very low power card, it won't throttle (110'c) and it practically can't overheat because of protections.

You could just buy a better case that has the GPU on a riser pulling from a side vent

>>101225305
Alright thanks anon

>>101225287
I was planning on getting another 48 sometime later but didn't know they don't have it available anymore

>>101214511
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YmTPkJ
Why was the Gigabyte ultrawide removed? Just curious on the reason before I finalize my order.

>>101224971
>>101225287
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xQcgXL/corsair-vengeance-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-cmk96gx5m2b6000c30
Should I just go with this then? Since I still want to use 48GB sticks

>>101214511
What's the most cost effective solution for GPU sag? Mine isnt sagging yet but seeing videos got me spooked

>>101225492
due just buy the monitor. everything in the OP post inst the word of GOD. ... have some self efficacy

>>101225500
I mean yeah you can? But you're literally spending more on ram than what a 7800x3d costs, but I guess the rest of your build is "money is no object pay 2x for +5%" all over the place

I don't know why you'd bother doing that instead of getting an rtx 4090 or something more productive with the money

>>101225517
I'm just curious, dude. I like hearing other opinions even when I'm already set on buying it.

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>>101223784
>Your graphics card can actually work too hard

>>101225546
Don't forget the scheduling issues of the 7950x3d.

>>101225513
>What's the most cost effective solution for GPU sag? Mine isnt sagging yet but seeing videos got me spooked
Repurposed Case PCIe Slot Shields that you took off when you installed the GPU. Watch at @ 2x:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liChy76nQJ4

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>>101225492
I've been using the LG UltraGear 34GP950G-B for a few years and it's been great.

I am looking to get a system with 256gb of ram as cheap as possible and I am willing to buy used. I have looked at older model Lenovo thinkstations on ebay that can use at least 256gb of ram for about $500 usd

>>101225620
I'll probably end up going with the 9950X instead of the 7950X3D, but I didn't know about the scheduling issues on the 7950x3d

>>101225654
>nano IPS
>dci-p3 98%
Nice
>nearly 900USD
Not nice. Guess I'll stick with the Gigabyte one since it also comes with a KVM switch.

>>101225546
Well I'm getting it as a gift rather than paying for it myself so it's not my money I'm spending

>>101225677
Yeah used HEDT is likely your best bet.

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>>101225513
Vertical mount.

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>>101225693
The 3d vcache is only on some of the cores, and the os doesn't know what cores those are. So sometimes it'll put a game process on the non x3d cores and you'll get worse performance. Still good, just not as good as it should be.

>>101225693
It's not like it's bugged or anything it's just that only half the cores have the 3D cache so you need to use some sort of process manager to keep your games on the right CCD. AMD's solution is Xbox Game Bar integration but other tools are available.
Thing is, it's barely worth the hassle. If the build is for gaming just buy a 7800X3D or next gen. If it's a workstation, the regular 7950X is still plenty good for gaming "on the side".

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gigabyte probably is the cheapest board that has the best bios. i like asrock but their bios suck

>>101225727
nta but damn even as a gift I wouldn't go with those rams because I hate seeing money wasted, doubly so if it's someone I know.

>>101225757
Ah didn't know that, in that case I'll probably go with the 7950X if I can't get the 9950X

how tf does thermalright make their products so cheap

>>101225803
What would you recommend then? I'm planning on using it mainly as a Linux workstation (but I am not against using Windows if I have to) with gaming on the side (most intensive game would probably be Arma 4 when it comes out), mostly for my data science classes in college since I doubt my laptop can handle that workload. I'm trying to stick with an mATX or smaller case so that it won't be a hassle to carry around since I'll probably be moving around a fair amount (likely once every few months).

>>101225908
Vertical integration and extreme cost cutting.

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>>101225908
>>101225946
This kills the Arctic Liquid Freezer III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPQ-UvavT8Q

>>101225997
>uses the same mounting brackets as their air coolers
kek I get how they can make it so cheap

>>101225997
>50dba vs 38dba
>60€ vs 85€
the Arctic is still leagues better than this Thermalright, I'd assume only maybe the Frozen Edge could get closer of its overall performance.
also the Arctic sale in EU kinda makes the Thermalright offerings moot, it's 85€ here for the 360 LFIII with RGB

>>101225913
nta but here's a quick optimization of what you already had: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M8GKjH
The X3D is actually cheaper right now so I kept it in. It'll probably be a 99*0X anyway so whatever.
Main changes are getting dual channel RAM and swapping the PSU to SFX since that case is cramped and any spare space will be a godsend.
You should also consider going Nvidia if your college work uses CUDA.

>>101226050
Thanks a ton, really appreciate it

>no release date for thermalright royal pretor ultra
Will thermalright release another banger of a product?

>>101226073
Some other considerations:
>Cooler
No AMD CPU really requires an AIO. Consider running air if it makes fitment easier. Hard to say with that case.
>SSD
If you need to cut cost here's the place to do it. Get 2TB now and add more as necessary.
>GPU
A 7900XT is kind of overkill for your gaming needs. If it's for GPGPU then, as mentioned, you probably want Nvidia. If it is just for gaming then you could drop it down a few tiers and deal with High settings instead of Ultra. No big loss tbqh.
>Mobo
Beware the shitty WiFi chipsets on AM5. If you get dropouts, replacing the M.2 card in this would be the first port of call.
>Monitor
Speaking strictly to gaming, this build is plenty capable of 1440p high refresh or 4k. Getting such a display would be a more impactful upgrade than a better CPU or card.

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Do you guys recommend any speakers? Preferably not some expensive audiophile shit

>>101226147
There's sometimes an audio/cinema general up for that stuff but I can throw you my 2¢. What sort of budget are you looking at?

>>101226147
jbl lsr 305 mark 2 is popular
edifier bookshelf speakers are popular amongst the poor
"pc speakers" are popular among kids, women and the retarded

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>>101226147
I use kanto yu6's

>>101226162
50 bucks maybe?

>>101226167
>>101226178
Thanks. I'll bookmark these for later buy

fresh news
https://www.techpowerup.com/324025/intel-core-ultra-arrow-lake-desktop-platform-map-leaked-two-cpu-attached-m-2-slots

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>>101226147
I personally don't because unless you are going to go through the rigmarole and added expense of acoustically treating your environment for standing waves, room modes, and the like too you are better off with a good pair of headphones and external DAC/Amp and calling it a day.

>>101226147
I'm not an audiophile. I got some bookshelf speakers called microlab a long time ago and they still work fine today. They are great for music and okay for games. For games I just use a gaymer headset.

>>101226243
>$50
That's going to limit you to PC speaker setups like in your pic. They're all shit but that does mean your choice matters a lot less. Just buy whatever Creative/Logitech/Chinese Copy fits your budget and stop worrying about it.
If you're a broke student or whatever then I'd maybe say to save up another $50 so you can get a cheap Tripath amp and some bookshelves. That way you can upgrade the system over time as deals come along. I ended up with some free (abandoned) Yorkvilles and an ex-display sub from my local audio store. Beat the hell out of any Logitech kit for not a lot more money.

>>101226246
Thank you for posting news.

>>101226246
>ntel's upcoming Core Ultra "Arrow Lake-S" desktop processor introduces a new socket, the LGA1851, alongside the new Intel 800-series desktop chipset. We now have some idea what the 151 additional pins on the new socket are used for, thanks to a leaked platform map on the ChipHell forums, discovered by HXL. Intel is expanding the number of PCIe lanes from the processor. It now puts out a total of 32 PCIe lanes.


>The system agent has two kinds of PCIe root complexes, just like it did on Socket LGA1700 processors. The new "Arrow Lake-S" has 20 lanes of Gen 5, and 12 lanes of Gen 4, which is how it's able to put out a Gen 5 x16 PEG, a Gen 5 x4 M.2; a DMI 4.0 x8 chipset bus, and an additional CPU-attached Gen 4 x4 M.2. In comparison, "Alder Lake-S" and "Raptor Lake-S" feature 16 lanes of Gen 5, and 12 lanes of Gen 4, leaving the platform with no CPU-attached Gen 5 M.2 slots, unless you subtract them from the Gen 5 x16 PEG slot, which is what all motherboard designers have done. There will be no such problem with "Arrow Lake-S."
Cool. Hope this leads to a higher # of NVME slots on motherboards in the next gen.

How many NVMEs can I put in without reducing the speed of my graphics card?
I'm running a MSI MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI Motherboard and a 7800X3D.

>>101226572
All of them. The top 16x slot doesn't share bandwidth with anything.

>>101226668
Sweet thanks

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>>101224244
sorry, I went to bed
but basically, a B650 board, a cheap Ryzen 7000 part (will be cheaper once Zen 5 comes out in mid-late July), and some decent DDR5 RAM
here's a good config that's unfortunately trending closer to $450 than $350 but it should be more like $400 in a month
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C2pmJy

the nice thing about saving up and getting something current-gen is that AMD will be supporting AM4 until 2027 (confirmed), which means that in a year or two you can just drop a new Ryzen 11000 part (or whatever they call them) into this board and you're up to date

captcha: GAYJAV

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>>101226246
arrowlake will embrace e-cores by mixing it with P-cores rather than having it look like a last minute addition

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>>101226147
I'm using a cheap $75 class D amp off aliexpress along with a pair of Radio Shack Optimus PRO-7AV speakers (same thing as Realistic Minimus 7) that I brought home from Radio Shack one day after a customer tried to return them and then just left them at the store
that was in 1993
they still sound phenomenal, can fill the whole house with sound

What’s the best size for a 1080 gaming/working monitor, 24 or 27 inches?

>>101214511
My PC randomly blackscreens and the fans go full blast. It happened last night before I went to bed, and I thought I would have to reset the PSU connections, but it started up without issue. Any help on how to fix this would be appreciated.
OPEN
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core Processor

4070 TI SUPER

Aorus b650 elite ax

>>101226858
can't really recommend 1080p at this time unless you're really that budget constrained
in that case, smaller the better
spatial resolution (i.e. "1920x1080") doesn't directly matter for how "high-rez" or "sharp" something actually looks -- what makes a monitor look "sharp" is having a high DPI or PPI, if you prefer
smaller monitor at fixed spatial resolution = higher DPI = sharper image

>>101226863
Same issue.
I assume it's just Linux jank.

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>>101226820
>PeeeeP PeeeeP

>>101226863
Need more details. Did it happen while gaming? Or while idle? Is your CPU using PBO? What's your XMP speed? PSU specs?

>>101226929
It's random. I was watching YouTube and it happened. I don't know what PBO is, and it's set to XMP3. The PSU is an 850W Corsair.

>>101226922
im on w11

>>101225513
Toilet paper roll cut to size

>>101226940
Just looked up pbo and no

>>101226940
modular

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>>101226940
>>101226863
there are really only a few things that can cause this specific kind of issue
1) motherboard failure - possible, but relatively unlikely; motherboard failures usually don't present this way
2) CPU failure - very unlikely, CPUs don't fail often
3) (some) component overheat - possible, but unlikely since you said it wasn't doing anything particularly intensive
4) building failure, something is shorting out or CPU cooler is not properly mounted or similar issue - possible for anyone, I've been building PCs for 35 years and still make mistakes, very likely if you're a novice builder
5) PSU failure - very likely, especially if this is a brand-new unit (most failures happen within the first months)
6) power delivery problem - this could also be an issue, if you live in an area that has bad power, the PSU might not be faulty, it might just hate your input power (some PSUs are more finicky about this than others)

all you can really do is check temperatures and voltages, if everything seems kosher it's time to do some shotgun debugging (i.e. blindly replacing stuff until it works)

best advice I can give is to take the machine and plug it in to a different plug or better, another building entirely, and see if it does it
if it does, you know it's (probably) not a power delivery issue and from there I'd start with a full rebuild of the machine, take *everything* apart and test it as a test bench, put the motherboard on top of the box it came in and install everything that way
if it still does it there you're in a much easier position to start swapping parts and troubleshooting

>>101227000
Checked, and yeah, I'm not connected to the wall but to an adapter. I'll try that first. Thanks.

>>101226912

Currently it is that constrained. Thanks, I will give those 24 inches monitors a try.

>>101225513
>>101226956
Paper towel roll cut to size

>>101227085
The cheapest 24" 1080p monitor with good specs on paper is this for $90:
https://www.amazon.com/Viewedge-Monitor-Computer-Bluelight-Freesync/dp/B0CSS9X886

For $70 more than that you can get a 27" 1440p display now:
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16824028007

>>101227220

Thinking about this one atm: https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-24gq50f-b-gaming-monitor

>>101226858
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A quick guide on how to distinguish good and bad SSD

>>101227330
Seems legit.

>>101226137
Thanks, I'll keep this in mind. Though I should mention that the monitor and keyboard are just temporary things, since I plan on getting a far better monitor later.

>>101226137
>>101226050
If I were to go with an Nvidia GPU which should I go with?

Threadly reminder to waitchad for Rubin/RDNA 5 and X3D Zen 6 to have proper tangible uplifts in outright performance and price to performance

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Wanted to build a new computer that was a proper upgrade from my old Intel 10400f and RTX 2080. Heres the build so far. Any changes I should make or am I all good?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LWzBKX

>>101227290
It's not a bad model if that's the cheapest one available to you locally. But if you are in the US there is little difference between it and other 24" 1080p Fast IPS monitors these days with many cheaper options many around $110-115:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2vDqPp0wKI
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#r=192001080&F=355600000,652780000&P=2&sort=price&page=1&D=120000,540000

>>101227494
Why wait for zen6 when you can get a x3d ryzen 7 today