[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip / qa] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
/g/ - Technology


Thread archived.
You cannot reply anymore.


[Advertise on 4chan]


File: dfgsdfg.jpg (74 KB, 640x360)
74 KB
74 KB JPG
>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases (e.g. 4K editing, high FPS gaming)
State budget and COUNTRY or you will not be helped

>NEWS
Ryzen 9000 / Zen 5 July launch
Intel Arc Xe2 officially not cancelled

>12VHPWR
DO NOT USE ANGLED 12VHPWR ADAPTERS
Fully seat a 12VHPWR connector in its socket, otherwise the connection can melt.
https://youtu.be/ig2px7ofKhQ?t=1345

>CPUS
HTPC(4K60)/Web Browsing: i3 13100
Gaming: R5 7600; budget: R5 5600
eXtreme gaming: R7 7800X3D; alternate: i5 14600K
Multicore: R9 7950X; budget: i5 13600K
>Avoid iGPU-less CPUs
>Existing AM4 board with an old chip? Consider a Zen 3 CPU

>GRAPHICS CARDS
1080p: RTX 4060; budget: RX 6600; ultra budget: used RTX 2060
1440p: RTX 4070 Super; budget: RX 7700 XT
2160p: RTX 4080 Super (at MSRP); budget: RTX 4070 Ti Super
Amateur production: RTX 3060 12GB, RTX 4060 Ti 16GB, used RTX 3090, RTX 4090

>RAM
DDR4: Zen3/AM4 - 2x 16GB 3600 MT/s CL18; for locked "non-K" 12th/13th/LGA1700 - 2x 16GB 3200 MT/s CL16
DDR5: Zen4/AM5 - 2x 16GB 6000 MT/s CL30; for unlocked "K" 13th/14th/LGA1700 - 2x 16GB 6400MT/s CL32

>COOLERS
Standout: Peerless Assassin 120 (or variant)
https://linustechtips.com/topic/891730-cpu-cooler-performance-tier-list/

>PSUS
Not worth buying a new PSU unless it's ATX 3.0 compliant
Aim for 50-75% PSU utilization at full system load
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atx-v3-0-pcie-5-0-ready-psus-picks-2023-hardware-busters/ (updated for 2024)

>SSDS
Standout: SN770 2TB
Avoid: outdated Samsung 970 Evo Plus, cheapest NVMe SSDs
https://ssd.borecraft.com/

>MOTHERBOARDS
Good power delivery is required for Intel CPUs like the i5 13600K and above
Don't pair a K CPU with a B mobo chipset

>GAMING MONITORS
Standouts: Dell G2724D, AOC Q27G3XMN, MSI MPG 321URX
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/dP3v4D

Previous: >>101227731
>>
File: 1715721947567267.png (406 KB, 779x560)
406 KB
406 KB PNG
>AMD made India their largest R&D center
>Meanwhile Nvidia and Intel double down their investment in Israel
do amd really think they can compete like this?
>>
Is the 24G2ZE/BK a bloody TN or IPS monitor? The retailers can't seem to decide.
>>
>>101235790
Thanks for answering from previous thread.
Just one question, if it's medium/high end range, how come it's much cheaper than its counterparts? At least here, it's 130 bucks while all the others are over 180usd
>>
>>101235839
who knows
look up prices on these drives:
Adata premium, s70/blade, xpg sage
Asgard AN4
HP FX900 Pro
Kingspec XG7000 Pro
Klevv CRAS C930
Lexar NM800(PRO)
Mushkin Vortex Redline
Neo Forza NFP400
Patriot Viper VP4300
Plextor M10P
Team G50/G70 PRO

they all use the same controller, although some use cheaper/shittier flash memory or lesser configurations of the controller

>>101235836
https://aoc.com/uk/gaming/products/monitors/24g2ze-bk
aoc says IPS
it's probably not IPS though, it's probably "IPS type" which includes many similar panel types like PLS and AHVA (confusingly, not VA type)
>>
>>101235889
>it's probably not IPS though
I looked at the manual and they say it's a TFT LCD.
>>
I wish BH hadn't stopped selling the aoc 24g4. No one else in the US has it.
>>
>>101235949
"TFT LCD" describes all modern LCDs, it is not a specific panel type -- all TN, IPS, VA LCDs are all "TFTs"
it's like saying "internal combustion automobile"
>>
Thanks to whatever genius threw the 500hz 1440 Alienware QD-OLED in the list of approved monitors in the OP knowing that it has constant adaptive sync tearing and flickering that you can’t turn off. Can’t imagine how many happy chappies spent 800 dollons on that because of you
>>
Is the Gigabyte M27Q X HDR KVM still good value for money at $425 these days or are there better high refresh 1440p panels now at or below this price point?
>>
File: input vs output2.jpg (426 KB, 2007x1202)
426 KB
426 KB JPG
>>101235963
Not worth buying a 1080p monitor these days. 1440p DLSS Quality looks better than 1080p TAA, and 1440p DLSS Performance looks better than 1080p DLSS Quality, and the performance cost is basically the same in both comparisons. You have the 1440p Balanced option as well when optimizing settings. Always better to turn whatever base resolution you can run into a higher resolution with DLSS

>>101236013
If TFTs are ICEVs, OLEDs are EVs

>>101236026
There's no such thing in the OP

>>101236116
Answered in the previous thread
>>
File: 1719657896101025.png (2.36 MB, 1741x1945)
2.36 MB
2.36 MB PNG
stop playing directX slop
start embracing vulkan
>>
>>101236147
>>101236105
The monitor does have KVM from what I checked.
>>
>>101236147
using an RTX 4090 for that comparison is highly disingenuous as AD102 has gross amounts of tensors to perform the necessary upscaling calculations -- the performance hit on a lesser GPU will be more like 4+ milliseconds, limiting you to no more than 60-70 FPS in the first place

>>101236164
I was talking about the other monitors that are cheaper/similar priced with similar/superior specifications
>>
>>101236107
The prices seem to be reversed here, the Dell G2724D is cheaper at $350, the HP OMEN 27qs is $425.
>>
Arrow Lake is looking good
>>
>>101236013
>LED, IPS
>>
>>101236240
Really? May I see the benchmarks?
>>
>>101236233
>gsync compatible
>freesync compatible
wtf is this, we only had gsync chipped displays and freesync displays when I last checked
how come the dell has gsync compatibility despite being the cheaper option
>>
Zen 5 is not looking good
>>
>>101236306
There's 3 tiers of G-Sync now
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/
>Ultimate
Chipped and some other special premium features
>(Regular) G-Sync
Chipped and what you knew as G-Sync
>G-Sync Compatible
Basically chipless VRR, FreeSync, Adaptive Sync, etc. but ones with official "Compatible" designation has some level of validation done by Nvidia for minimum performance level.
Entirely software-based by the driver. VRR/FreeSync monitors that aren't officially "Compatible" can still enable the driver option to get VRR working
>>
File: smug-nanachi.png (235 KB, 852x450)
235 KB
235 KB PNG
>>101236310
are you trying to convince us or yourself, INTC holder?
>>
people on youtube really need to stop calling 2160p "4K" already
it ocds the fuck out of me when I see 540, 720, 900, 1080, 1440, 1600, then "4K" or "8K" and not 2160p and so on
>>
>>101236348
interesting, kinda convoluted but still
now how does amd justify this "freesync premium" branding if freesync was just a fancy piece of software and not an actual chip
>>
I'm on a fresh build, but for whatever reason my RX 6800 is running like shit
1440p, I struggle to get anything above 80 frames in Fortnite. I have everything set to go 165, I know for sure because when I set everything to low it runs 165 fine
New Vegas also runs like shit, but I think that's more the engine being bad than whatever the fuck is happening with my card
Is there some Radeon software setting I have to configure? I'm completely lost right now
>>
>>101236233
Are there 2160p 144Hz versions of these monitors by any chance?
>>
I don't understand, what is the problem with buying a higher resolution monitor and playing the game at a lower resolution if your GPU cannot handle rendering something natively at a high resolution? Even without fancy new shit like upscaling.
>>
>>101236306
Gsync compatible is just the result of Nvidia doing their usual niggerism by charging a tax on Gsync monitors so everyone started flocking to freesynch instead and now there's this Gsync without Gsync thing as a cope.
>>
>>101236401
Nothing triggers me like the retards calling 1440p "2K" who then refuse to accept that 2K is actually 1920x1080 when you correct them
>>
Best 27" 1440p VA 180/240Hz monitor?
Preferably one with a rectangular monitor base and not those gamer-esque spokes/legs
>>
>>101236183
>using an RTX 4090 for that comparison is highly disingenuous as AD102 has gross amounts of tensors to perform the necessary upscaling calculations -- the performance hit on a lesser GPU will be more like 4+ milliseconds
Absolutely wrong and retarded. Less than 1 ms on a 4070
https://imgsli.com/Mjc1OTk1
Note how much better quality the 4K DLSS Performance is over the 1080p DLAA.

>>101236233
The Dell should be cheaper. At $75 more for the 27QS, it's more debatable. The extra refresh rate on the 27QS is a nice to have.

>>101236459
If you've got a 32" monitor, 1080p is going to look like ass on it. 1440p isn't as bad at 32", about the same pixel density as 1080p at 24". But obviously, you want the full 2160p at 32" to get the sharpness you'll have become accustomed to on desktop. There's also the quibble of non-integer multiple scaling (e.g, 1440p displayed on a 2160p grid).
>>
>Dual Intel Xeon E5-2683v4, 16c32t each - $75 for the pair
>SuperMicro dual socket motherboard - $200
>128GB (8x16GB) DDR4 2133MHz ECC Registered RAM - $200

I need a PC to crunch data for encoding and rendering as well as host a variety of services. It seems there's a lack of modern consumer level Xeon CPUs that aren't stupid money. These are Broadwell architecture CPUs.
>>
>>101236530
1440p inches already feels huge going from 1080p 24 inch, I don't know how I'd handle 2160p at 30 inches. Don't know how I'd be able to get comfortable going from 24 to 27 in the context of a gaming display either.
>>
>>101236433
>Fortnite
You're definitely running into Radeon's DX11 driver overhead in New Vegas. Fortnite should be running faster even with a weak CPU in the DX11 mode, but keep in mind that if you're actually maxing it out in DX12 mode (with Nanite and RT/Lumen enabled), yes, you're going to get low frames
>>
>>101236459
The higher the resolution, the more latency a monitor will have iirc, pros stilll run 24"/1080p because it just is the fastest combo
non native resolution also adds input lag vs render scale
>>
File: gross-me-out.png (156 KB, 416x358)
156 KB
156 KB PNG
>>101236401
the correct thing to say is HD, FHD, QHD, UHD but for some reason nobody ever says those terms

>>101236412
freesync premium is "freesync but not completely useless" -- it mandates that the display must support low framerate compensation and a max refresh rate of at least 120 Hz
there's also Freesync Premium Pro which mandates HDR functionality during VRR operation

>>101236433
check temperatures, check utilization (make sure to look at per-core on the CPU, not overall utilization), find out where the problem lies

>>101236578
fortnite runs better on AMD than NVIDIA, even with hardware lumen enabled

>>101236623
this isn't necessarily the case, it's just that higher resolution = lower output frame rate = higher real input latency

>>101236530
NVIDIA itself says 4ms for 4K DLSS on Ampere
not everyone has an Ada Lovelace card nigger
>>
File: fortnite cpu limit dx11.png (530 KB, 1294x835)
530 KB
530 KB PNG
>>101236744
>fortnite runs better on AMD than NVIDIA
Does it? Everyone uses the DX11 mode
>>
I'll be back later

>>101236744
>NVIDIA itself says 4ms for 4K DLSS on Ampere
Also, I honestly don't care whatever you claim or don't understand the context of
>>
File: Clipboard01.jpg (80 KB, 708x472)
80 KB
80 KB JPG
>>101236768
"everyone" uses the performance mode, because that's what it uses on the switch and mobile, as well as what the pros and wannabe pros use, and that runs fine on chromebook hardware

but in the actually-demanding DX12 mode with the ray-tracing and virtual geometry (nanite) turned on, yeah, AMD pretty consistently wins—chalk it up to UE5 optimizations for consoles

>>101236811
>I don't have an argument so I'll just put my fingers in my ears and go LALALALA
>>
>>101235794
How do I build a PC that has libreboot, a CPU without Intel ME / AMD PSP or similar, and a form of storage that doesn't leave a bunch of data around inside the hardware to be exploited by potential forensics analysis?
>>
File: E7QDqh_WQAcPmcr.jpg (361 KB, 1600x1601)
361 KB
361 KB JPG
>>101236310
This image scares and confuses amd fans
>>
What should I use to benchmark my system? Or even just my CPU or GPU individually? I know for CPU cinebench is good
>>
>>101237261
userbenchmark unironically. its does a full system benchmark then compares each part to other people's part
>>
does anyone know what size thermal pads Id need for a PNY 4070ti super? the original ones I had kinda broke off to the point where I can measure them properly
>>
>>101237277
Why the fuck am I playing a space shooter
>>
>>101237469
you don't like space shooter?
>>
Is it worth getting a 7900XT at this point. The prices seem to be staying at around $700. I have always used nvidia cards, but I'm willing to try AyyMD this time.
>>
>>101237583
It's been spotted for $600 at Microcenter. That said when you're buying these expensive ass cards you might as well be a good goy and pay the Nvidia tax, not that much more for a 4070 ti Super. AMD makes more sense from the 7900 GRE below.
>>
File: dlss vs fsr2 avatar.jpg (216 KB, 752x1187)
216 KB
216 KB JPG
>>101236833
>LALALALA
I disproved your statement
>4ms for 4K DLSS on Ampere >>101236744
with my pic related >>101236811
Apparently I have more argument than you can understand

>but in the actually-demanding DX12 mode with the ray-tracing and virtual geometry (nanite) turned on, yeah, AMD pretty consistently wins
I don't see any win in terms of FPS, at least nothing substantial. And considering your benchmark is with TSR Quality, we know who wins in image quality. DLSS is far better than TSR, FSR, or even XeSS at low resolution.

>>101237261
Userbenchmark can tell you about your system as a whole, e.g., give you easy storage benchmarks. 3DMark has a demo on Steam, or of course you could pirate the full version. There is also a Unigine benchmark. Cinebench is decent for CPU

>>101237583
Absolutely not. The 4070 Ti Super is far better for another $100
>>
What's a good AIO with a meme display?
>>
First build since 2016, mid-range 1440p and plan to lean on DLSS for anything demanding. Want to use it for office work and teaching from home as well. Thoughts, criticisms, etc.?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mVzmt7
>>
>>101238120
Use the silent BIOS on the graphics card
Get the Q27G3XMN
>>
>>101238288
>Q27G3XMN
That was my first choice actually, but between the price and the fact that my current desk isn't suited for the depth of its stand ruled it out. The monitor shelf is just over 9 inches wide.

Why the silent BIOS?
>>
>>101238331
The Q27G3XMN has a standard VESA mount
Gigabyte spins its fans too fast (meaning loud) on the default BIOS. The silent BIOS will be the same perf, just quieter
>>
Is 2k a good budget for a nice 1440p build?
>>
>>101238349
My desk isn't flush with a wall. It's a home office, so the back of the desk is the first thing you see when you enter the room. I could rearrange some stuff, but it'd just make another problem. Is the monitor upgrade that dramatic?
>>
>>101238385
The Q27G3XMN has entry / passable HDR, so it's a notable upgrade over a monitor that doesn't have a FALD miniLED backlight, especially against IPS, which is known for bad contrast

>>101238370
Yes, you'll have enough change left over for a nice keyboard, mouse, controller, whatever.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dchs28
>>
>>101238370
Just off the top of my head,
$150 case
$100 ram
$35 cooler
$360 CPU
$700 GPU
$100 ssd
$150 Mobo
$200 monitor
Sure
>>
>>101235794
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZDPbJy

thoughts on this build? i chose the stock cooled i9 cpu because im worried about temps and never built a pc before
the fans, some anon recommended me them, i will put two in the front and one in back
for monitor, im split between the ultragear or alienware 4k oled monitors
also i want a playstation and nintendo consoles for physical copies of games
it will be a one monitor setup but im considering two monitors since i play mobile games a lot to and want to stream codm
>>
>>101238472
>Buying windows at full price
Buy from g2a or something if you really need to
>>
>>101238501
how do you guys get windows for free? how would you even install it with no computer like me?
i saw a guy here the other day that had w11 enterprise and another recommended me the LTSC version because of zero bloat
>>
>>101238527
https://massgrave.dev

Download and install the IoT LTSC iso (10, not 11. 11 is still dogshit.), use the scripts.
>>
>>101238527
>>101238603
Do not install W10 LTSC, it doesn't support Intel's e-cores properly because the scheduler update was introduced after the W10 LTSC feature freeze
Use W11 Enterprise 24H2 LTSC or the IoT edition of that same one
>>
>>101238603
>>101238621
i dont know to do any of this
>>
>>101238629
>>>/g/fwt
>>
>>101235794
I thought there'd be an idiot's guide in the OP. Please build for me.
1500-1800 USD for tower only in US
Streaming, rendering video, gaming, music production
>>
>>101235794
According to your experience, what's the most durable, long-lasting motherboard brand? I once used an ASRock motherboard, but it broke after I used it for daily overclocking and only lasted two years. What do you think of MSI or Gigabyte?
>>
Can anyone summarize where things are at concerning Ryzen 9000 / Zen 5 and how it's going to compare to whatever Intel is planning to release as a competitor? Really only care about gaming. Is AMD going to be the leader in that area for the foreseeable future? I'm considering a brand new build at the start of 2025, and I have never used an AMD CPU.
>>
>>101238858
>Really only care about gaming
Don't even consider Zen 5 until the X3D parts come out
AMD already said that the 7800X3D will still be the best gaming CPU in their lineup
Once Zen 5 X3D comes out, Arrow Lake will either have already launched or be close to launch so just wait for benchmarks at that point to compare
>>
>>101237239
now post a picture of gaafet
>>
File: zen3_hotchips_vcache.jpg (113 KB, 1281x718)
113 KB
113 KB JPG
>>101238858
arrowlake is a huge mystery at this point so it's hard to say
>>101237239
this picture scares intel fans
>>
>>101238798
if you are near a microcenter you save a bit if you buy from them.
https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/bundle-and-save.aspx
https://www.microcenter.com/site/content/intel-bundle-and-save.aspx
You can buy the cheapest CPU bundle.
buy a 4070, but I should warn you that you may not need more than a 2060 for $100 or less on facebook marketplace or ebay because you need to play games on ultra settings for it to matter, because streamers stream at 60fps. Like it's nice to have more FPS outside streaming or ultra raytracing, but it's not a requirement, it's a want not a need.
also it's possible 50 series nvidia might pull out some scam that makes 40 series cards obsolete (but that's a random guess).
And don't pretend like the 2060 is a 60fps card, that's only the case for cyberpunk (100fps 1080p low, but you want a 60fps frame limiter) or other games, it hits 200fps on high when you play some esports games or 99% of indie games.
You should get a 4070 or better for VR from what I have heard and depending on the games or headset.
I would suggest 1080p, I am not a streamer however, but I predict that 1440p does not make sense. QD-OLED is pretty sick, does not exist in 1080p, but it's 10x the price of a IPS 1080p display.
>>
>>101238798
i dont think the pc you want will be decent at that budget

i put together this one for you

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zpbnfy
>>
>>101238966
*I would not get the AMD 5800X3D bundle, it's pretty poor value (but the 7700X is pretty expensive too, it's a poor match for a 2060 GPU unless you plan on waiting for 50 series GPU's, also if the 2060 is used, make sure your CPU has a IGPU so it doesn't need a GPU if it's faulty and you can spend longer looking at used cards).
I suggest poor fagging because you will learn a lot from what you don't have and you must be in the AAA game demographic to enjoy high specs. I would argue that the cost of buying a low spec PC + capture card + ps5 / xbox series X would give the same performance + certain benefits like gta 5 or game pass (and it would be cheaper if you got the console used).
However I am a disgusting game pirate so a console would cost a lot more for me.
>>
>>101237611
>Reliable source
Ah yes Shitware cuckboxed
>>
Having window on the pc so the sun can shine directly into the black cpu cooler.
>>
Quick question lads, going on holiday for 10 days. Should I shutdown my pc or unplug it from the wall? Sorry for the noob question. New rig, new to pc gaming. I always shutdown at night but just wondering what’s good practice for when you’re away for days. I live in the south of England so power outages aren't really a thing. Don’t care about the money saving aspect, just wanna know what’ll protect the PC.
>>
AIO or air cooler for the 7800X3D?
>>
>>101239445
Yeah sure go ahead and unplug it if it's convenient. Or turn it off at the wall if you have switched sockets. Just remember to shut it down properly before that if you have Windows installed.
>>
>>101239489
Air is fine. AIO if you're going for a silent build.
>>
>>101239506
Got it. Do I need to flick the PSU switch before unplugging at the wall?
>>
>>101239539
That'd be redundant so not really. They both break the physical connection.
Here's the deal, switching it off at the outlet will protect you against a power surge. Unplugging it altogether would be good for a lightning strike. Frankly neither of those are particularly likely but you'll kick yourself if you don't.
>>
>>101239597
Yh that makes sense. Alright, I’ll follow your advice. Thanks
>>
Is it worth paying 15 euros for ryzen 7700 over 7600 ?
>>
>>101239725
Yes
>>
>>101238621
>estrogen cores
Damn that's crazy. Anything not to switch to linux huh?
>>
>>101174093
Thinking about giving it one more shot and there seems to be a lot of these allegedly better Fast VA coming out.
>>
>>101239901
All else fails, I'm gonna replace it within 30 days
>>
>>101235794
>arrowlake 25% 1T improvement
its ogre amd bros...
>https://www.techpowerup.com/324062/intel-arrow-lake-s-engineering-sample-posts-over-25-1t-perf-gain-over-i9-13900k-falls-behind-in-nt
>>
File: xclEcPEhwmGhIJOj.jpg (57 KB, 891x667)
57 KB
57 KB JPG
AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
>>
>>101239928
>>101239945
That MT score suggests it's an i5 6P no ht +8E tier cpu being tested. Probably overclocked too?
>>
File: 1424715856582.jpg (32 KB, 312x342)
32 KB
32 KB JPG
>>101239945
>alleged
>>
8gb for gpu is still good or nah?
i can go for 12 like 3060s but 16gb seems a bit excessive and expensive
>>
>>101239999
nah
>>
guys im about to get a starforged prebuilt pc
>>
File: 1693222163195302.png (88 KB, 360x313)
88 KB
88 KB PNG
>>101240047
To play starfield right?
>>
Did you guys know that WDDM 3.2 is fastest for gaming?
>>
>>101240047
specs?
>>
>>101240389
its got 5 and 16
>>
>>101240408
>no 9s
you're poor aren't you?
>>
File: 20240702_112449.jpg (81 KB, 599x798)
81 KB
81 KB JPG
>>101235794
So I was playing supermarket simulator which isn't a demanding game whatsoever, but for some reason without fail, my monitor will lose display which means I'll have to hard reset my PC.

The screenshot is the stats right before the incident, is anything amiss?
>>
>>101236744
>this isn't necessarily the case, it's just that higher resolution = lower output frame rate = higher real input latency
so a 27" 1440p 60hz monitor will still feel more sluggish than a 24" 1080p screen at the same response time?
>>
File: mac.png (32 KB, 943x347)
32 KB
32 KB PNG
How can I make a PC build which is in the same ballpark as a Mac Studio in terms of energy consumption and quietness? I don't need the latest or the most powerful hardware necessarily, I'd just like it to be powerful enough to be able to run Blender and Unreal Engine. Most modern cases and GPU's seem to have a ton of fans which doesn't bode well for noise levels, and I'd really like to emphasize quiet operation as fan noise drives me crazy.
>>
>>101237222
seconding this
>>
>>101240597
Disable MPO
https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157/~/after-updating-to-nvidia-game-ready-driver-461.09-or-newer%2C-some-desktop-apps
>>
>>101240657
ryzen 7900 will be most efficient stock, 7950x will be more efficient if you turn on eco mode
>>
>>101240657
7900+4060Ti 16GB and overkill coolers on both. The power consumption will be higher, hard to beat ARM for that, but it should be easy enough to get the noise levels below ambient with some fan and power tuning.
>>
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xswyyg
help me pick a graphics card bros. I will be 3d modelling and streaming on Linux. So I want something AMD preferably.
>>
>>101240730
didn't solve the issue unfortunately
>>
>>101240916
probably have bad video cable.
>>
>>101240873
You're doing yourself a disservice if you aren't using Optix with Nvidia if 3D modelling is your primary use case (and possibly money maker)
>>
How hard am I cucking myself if I go with a DRAMless SSD?
I'm doing 3D work, using shit like AutoCAD and Unreal for architectural work, etc.
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQIBknDAj4g&t=389s

AYYMDEAD CAN'T INTO AI TECHNOLO/g/Y
>>
>>101240991
I don't make any money, I just make low poly stuff for fun. I don't really need that, but if I can find a cheap 3060 I'll buy it.
>>
What are the best capture cards I can buy for a reasonable price?
>>
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cooling/noctuas-next-gen-flagship-cpu-cooler-finally-arrives-noctua-nh-d15-g2-released-at-dollar150
>>
File: file.png (66 KB, 600x465)
66 KB
66 KB PNG
what do?
>>
File: file.png (28 KB, 922x200)
28 KB
28 KB PNG
>>101241345
look at 990 pro instead
>>
>>101241345
Both are pretty overkill for a casual/gaming rig so buy the cheaper one. If you're actually doing something that benefits from PCIe 4 bandwidth then it depends on the workload specifics. To simplify, the SN770 is superior for sustained IO while the KC3000 is stronger at burst. These are minor differences, however, and both perform well in all situations.
>>
>>101241462
>Both are pretty overkill for a casual/gaming rig so buy the cheaper one.
Alright anon, thanks
>>
File: 71cW0LH8R2L._AC_SL1500_.jpg (162 KB, 1419x1213)
162 KB
162 KB JPG
Am I seriously not able to power external HDDs or SSDs if I connect them via USB using a PCI-E expansion card? How limited are these compared to say, front panel USB headers or 5.25" bays?
https://www.amazon.ca/GLOTRENDS-Adapter-Compatible-Windows-Support/dp/B0BSG5WJTD
Was looking at buying this instead of some chinkshit.
>>
File: 1719924556372.jpg (2.91 MB, 4000x3000)
2.91 MB
2.91 MB JPG
Id this appropriate installment?
>>
>>101241485
> Id
Is fix
>>
>>101241485
if you get cpu cooler fan speed showing in bios then probably its fine
>>
>>101241141
Guys?
>>
File: capture.png (22 KB, 1174x117)
22 KB
22 KB PNG
>>101241472
>instead of some chinkshit
an x1 slot can in theory do like 25 watts, some of that will be used just to operate the card
>>
>>101241526
if your work depends on it don't penny pinch the $10 for a better ssd retard
>>
>NH-D15 G2 priced at 150 USD
>>
>>101241585
its white mans cooler for a reason
>>
>>101241472
>instead of some chinkshit.
are you not aware that it looks exactly like some generic aliexpress shit?

(and that those rohs and fcc compliance marks are bs, probably heats up >100C on the regular slowly melting the connector of the plugged in thing until it catches fire.)
>>
>>101241592
that would be Thermalright
>>
I recently upgraded my boot drive to a gen 4 NVME ssd. What can I even use all this speed for?
>>
>>101241580
The thing is that in my cunt, the difference between a DRAMless one and a non-cucked one is twice the price. It's retarded for the 2TB variant. I could go with the 1TB with DRAM but again it's the same price as a 2TB without it.
>>
>>101241607
copying large files
>>
>>101241607
play ps5 games
>>
>>101241609
if it can use hmb then the difference isn't that big
>>
>>101237222
>>101241600
>that it looks exactly like some generic aliexpress shit?
what doesn't
digitus shit?
>>
File: 1719927581973.jpg (2.47 MB, 8160x6120)
2.47 MB
2.47 MB JPG
>>101241517
> if you get cpu cooler fan speed showing in bios then probably its fine
What
>>
>>101241341
At this point i'm almost convinced the DIY market is mostly irrelevant for noctua - they must make their money from SI's and other such groups that buy direct and actually leverage the secondary features (namely support and warranties) they offer.
>>
>>101241675
If I'm going to use a PCIe adapter to connect it directly to my motherboard because all the other NVMe slots are used, would I have a problem?
>>
>>101241607
play directstorage games:
ratchet rift apart
ghost of tsushima
horizon forbidden west
forza motorsport
new world
diablo 4
>>
>>101241944
That sounds about right. It's going to get slaughtered by the Thermalright Royal Preytor Ultra.
>>
I can get Benq 23.8 Gw2480l for like 120 usd, just want to replace some acer that has this VA smearing which I did not really care until I started to play some games, I only care about 1080p , do you think this is a good deal ?
>>
File: 1644971670816.jpg (257 KB, 648x1003)
257 KB
257 KB JPG
Day 453 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.
>>
>>101242054
>I can get Benq 23.8 Gw2480l for like 120 usd, just want to replace some acer that has this VA smearing which I did not really care until I started to play some games, I only care about 1080p , do you think this is a good deal ?
If you are playing games do not consider a 75Hz display no matter how cheaper. Also that's a horrible deal at $120 because for you can get a 165Hz IPS model for $100 after instant-coupon on Amazon right now:
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-Monitor-125-25-Borderless-FreeSync/dp/B0CHRLH52R

Or several 180Hz IPS models for $110:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Q8grxr/msi-g2412f-240-1920-x-1080-180-hz-monitor-g2412f
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Fw26Mp/msi-g244f-e2-238-1920-x-1080-180-hz-monitor-g244f-e2
>>
>>101242153
oh thanks anon, this amazon one actually has FREE shipping to my country and I wont have to pay any tax on it, still keeping it at 100usd , thx.
>>
>>101241472
>>101241552
>>101241600
YOU WILL NEVER ESCAPE CHINESIUM ELECTRONICS
EVERYTHING IS MADE IN CHINA NOW BY CHINESE COMPANIES
if you want peripherals like pcie cards all of them will be chinese
>>
>1% lows
>>
Is there a 24 inch version of the Dell G2723H?
>>
>>101241947
assuming its at least an x4 slot I wouldn't expect it to behave any differently from the other slots
>>
>>101235794
Going to start looking into monitors. No 4k needed but might upgrade (in all likelihood) to 1440p.
What should I look out for? What size and features?
>>
>>101242313
luv me denuvo
>>
>>101242417
look at samsung 2024 qd oleds
>>
File: 1664279794847671.png (987 KB, 1663x2319)
987 KB
987 KB PNG
>>101242313
>>
Is $260 for the VG249QM1A too expensive for a 1080p display?
>>
>>101242417
How much have you got to spend?
Broadly speaking you're looking at these brackets for gaming:
<$100
1080p 60-75Hz IPS or TN at lower budgets
$100-200
1080p/144, 1440p/75 (occasionally 144+ on sale) IPS
$200-400
1440p/144+, 4k60-75 IPS. Main reason to go over $300 would be better contrast (1200:1).
1080p/300+ also in this bracket for esportsfags.
$400+
4k/144+ IPS, 1440p/144 fast VA
$800+
OLED and MiniLED. Resolution to taste at this price range.
>>
>>101235836
>>101235889
https://www.purepc.pl/test-aoc-24g2zebk-dopracowany-monitor-full-hd-240-hz-dla-graczy-propozycja-lepsza-od-aoc-24g2ubk
According to this article;
>It is worth noting that the initial model was to be offered with a TN screen, but eventually the manufacturer abandoned the idea and the device eventually went on sale in the fall of 2021, taking the chance to use IPS. For this reason, some stores may have incorrect specifications, indicating the use of a TN panel. In reality, however, the reference is to IPS.

tl;dr AOC wanted to use a TN panel originally but backtracked and went for IPS instead, so this 24G2ZE/BK *should* be an IPS display
>>
I bought 1080p display in 2008. This is my opinion of 1080p displays.
>>
>>101242638
I bought 2160p display in 2016...
>>
>>101242567
anything over $100 is too much to spend on a 1080p panel
>>
>>101242686
Most 1080p IPS panels retail for $125-$180. If you want high refresh rates, that goes up to $220-$270.
>>
>>101242657
I used a GTX 670 when I bought my first 2160p monitor around the time GTA V came out. Played just fine with it.
>>
>buy intel
>need semi-custom coolers to actually tame the power draw as the socket warps the cpus
>>
>>101242600
I've got enough to spend if it's worth it. I know very little except I'd like to get 1440p. Currently looking at the MSI G27CQ4 E2.
It's in my price range if it's any good.
>>
File: 1497021648674.png (944 KB, 1228x1502)
944 KB
944 KB PNG
>>101242778
>if the CPU has become permanently deformed from long-term use
you guys told me it was a meme...
>>
>Alienware AW2523HF 24.5"
$400, 360Hz, worth it over the $220, 240Hz AOC 24G2ZE 23.8"? This seems to be the cheapest 360Hz display out there right now. I'm itching to pull the trigger on a monitor that prioritizes being /superfast/, the other display I intend to acquire will be some fancy 2160p color accurate HDR panel for non-gayming enjoyment.
>>
where can I buy a deepcool assassin 4s if I'm in the US, the land of "freedom"?
>>
>>101242823
its not worth it
a 240hz benq with motion blur reduction is faster in motion
>>
>>101242778
>if the CPU has become permanently deformed from long-term use
yikes
imagine reading this on your cooler box
>>
>>101242853
>a 240hz benq with motion blur reduction is faster in motion
Fancy new tech shit I'm not familiar with jumping from a decade old IPS panel besides my BenQ Professional monitor, what models would these be?
>>
>>101242869
BenQ xl2546k
>>
>>101240597
Jiggle or reseat all the connections, including the graphics card in it's slot, power to graphics card, both ends of DP cable.

>>101240634
No, he's saying that you'll likely have a lower FPS because of the higher resolution. If they're at the same FPS, latency will be the same

>>101240657
>seem to have a ton of fans which doesn't bode well for noise levels
That's backwards. The fans are part of often overbuild systems. Six fans working a little bit will be a lot quieter than one fan working its ass off
>>
>>101242823
Is double the money really worth it for such a jump? How much do you gain from that?
>>
>>101242868
It gets spicy when you pair that with the ongoing instability of certain models. I bet inside of the nest 2 years we'll see a lot of high end chips (like 13700k, 13900k and their 14th counterparts) hitting ebay as they become unstable and uncoolable as nothing can mount to them anymore perhaps outside of what noctua is offering.
>>
>>101242891
>>101242853
>TN
yeah no wonder you need motion blur reduction
that being said i also hear 360hz is a smidgy mess
>>
redpill me on dyac
>>
>>101242891
What is the difference between this and the xl2566k
>>
>>101243276
46K is $400 66K is $700
>>
What are the fastest keyboards I can buy for WASD/player movment action under $200? I heard good things about the Wooting 60HE but we dont have that here. I know basically nothing about mechanical/analog keyboards and have been using a G213 prodigy and Model M13 this whole time.
>>
>>101243478
>What are the fastest keyboards
Unless you are going turbo autist (which if you were 200 shekels wouldn't be enough) anything with a low actuation force switch is fine. The cherry reds are the classic go-to but there are a bajillion variants from other companies like gateron, kailh and Outemu to name three well known brands.
>>
What should I buy to make long-term backups to keep in a drawer? A DVD player/writer? DVDs don't have a lot of space though, and I don't know if rewritable ones keep information on them for years.
Thanks for any suggestions, bye.
>>
>>101235794
>Ryzen 9000 / Zen 5 July launch
it's july already. where is it
>>
>>101244071
Between now and 31 days from now.
>>
File: file.png (79 KB, 932x1103)
79 KB
79 KB PNG
>>101242414
So I looked into the motherboard just to make a double check.
I have both NVME slots occupied. The PCIEX16_1 has my 4090.
Since that shit's massive, the PCIEX16_2 is also unavailable.
I want to place the PCIe to NVMe adapter on PCIEX16_3.

Will I have any issue? Seems like it doesn't share any bandwidth with the other PCIEX slots, only the small one (#4).
>>
how do I fight the desire to consoom.
my 3900x could still take a couple years. I don't need a new one...
>>
>>101243534
I will investigate non turbo autist options with low acutation force off the shelf since my G213 is the best I have used thus far.
>>
>>101244151
Do some bios tuning to try and get it to boost more aggressively.
>>
File: IMG_20240702_183748.jpg (2.66 MB, 4000x1800)
2.66 MB
2.66 MB JPG
>>101243534
Didn't take me long to find Gateron and Outemu switch advertised boards. No idea what this Mad Dog and RedDragon brand is though.
>>
are HDDs refurbished by the producer worth it? there's a cheapo 12tb seagate I'm eyeing, used purely for storage - so very low power-on hours expected, and it's like 60% of the price of a new one.
assume it's actually done by the producer rather than being some corpse "fixed" by some jeet in his basement
>>
File: IMG_20240702_185246.jpg (2.18 MB, 4000x1800)
2.18 MB
2.18 MB JPG
>>101242567
>>101242686
ayy I just found this monitor here along with this predator xb3 and a va variant of the aoc one mentioned here
the main crime though is they us 30-60 fps video to show them off and idk if they are all at peak brightness
>>
I'm a long time porn addict and virgin. I also have a severe antisocial personality disorder. With the help of my psychiatrist, I've come to realize recently that I'll probably be this way for the rest of my life and I'm ok with that. Obviously it won't come as a surprise that it's almost impossible for me to make social connection with people, let alone have a relationship with a girl that would lead to sex, basically I've been masturbating daily for the past 25 years or so. I've never been able to stop for more than 72 hours. I'm not gaming anymore so I was wondering if a Sony X720E TV (4K HDR) connected to my PC would give me a better porn watching experience vs let's say a 1440p 60Hz monitor? If you have other suggestion please let me know.
>>
>>101235794
I am trying to build a pc for the first time. I just need it for programming and a bit of gaming (nothing high end). I dont want something that takes much space so i thought of matx case size. I am based in austria and my budget is around 1500 euro. I would appreciate any recommendations
>>
>>101243534
>Outemu
bait or misinformed
i heard that shit is loud, inconsistent, and unreliable
or maybe this applies to me instead
>>
Is the Krux space carpet good value at $17?
>>
File: 1719108893264393.jpg (216 KB, 680x876)
216 KB
216 KB JPG
>>101235794
>According to Hardware Unboxed, the best combination is an AMD CPU and an NVIDIA GPU. Intel CPUs are overpriced, and the motherboard socket is limited for upgrades, while AMD GPUs have poor drivers and lack ray tracing capabilities.
>>
>swapped my ATX Ryzen 5 1600 for a cheap E5-2697A v4 workstation
I'm finally free of AMD curse.
No more freezes, no more crashes, no more memory issues.
ECC, all PCIe lanes directly under CPU, remote management, 16c 32t CPU, all that at the same idle power usage.
I'm never touching consumer ATXshit again
>>
aoc 24g2ze/bk @$220 or asus vg249qm1a @$260? which is better value for money and motion clarity as far as cheap 240hz displays go?
>>
File: kino.png (1.75 MB, 1918x1078)
1.75 MB
1.75 MB PNG
those austrian lads have pretty good taste
>>
>>101244841
I am poorcel from Turd World
Here is my rig, you can get the basic idea, and update some stuff.
Gigabyte H410M S2 V3 (This only works for Intel 10th gen CPUs, so please update this)
Intel i3-10105F
GTX 1650 4GB DDR6 OC (buy RX6600 if that's available at cheaper price, Intel Arc 750 8GB is another option)
Deepcool PK550D PSU
Crucial 16GB DDR4 RAM (get DDR5 depending upon your MOBO)
Crucial P3 500GB m.2 NVMe SSD
WD blue 1TB HDD
>>
I see prices are starting to go up so they can drop them again for the summer "sales"
>>
>>101245456
>According to Hardware Unboxed
AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU has been the "bang for your buck combo" since Ryzen was announced
>>
>>101245611
[url=https://postimg.cc/JDcfNRnC][img]https://i.postimg.cc/JDcfNRnC/img.jpg[/img][/url]
>>
>>101245659
Fuck
https://i.postimg.cc/pTgPtTMr/img.jpg
>>
is >60 fps a meme when I'm not an online fps tryhard?
>>
>>101245590
I want some of those 140mm fans but even by premium fan standards those aren't cheap.
>>
I wish more people did in depth monitor reviews in video format. I only know of HUB and the german dude.
>>
>>101245708
No.
Playing at 120fps feels so fucking good that after getting used to it, playing the same game on console feels like shit.
>>
>>101245708
No. The extra smoothness you will feel - and hopefully appreciate - in all but the most static of games and personally goes a long way to aiding immersion.
>>
>>101245747
Occasionally TFTCentral put out videos.
>>
>>101245619
explain
>>
Went from a 32 inch 4k display to 49 inch OLED 5280x1440p ultra wide screen and holy fuck was I missing out. The immersion is something else at 32:9.
>>
What happened to logical increments? It used to be recommended by people, but not anymore. Will I fuck myself if I just go and buy 'monster' tier headlessly?
>>
>>101246136
whats a logical increment
Whats a "monster tier"
>>
>>101246151
https://www.logicalincrements.com/
8 years ago when I did my last build, logical increments was part of the thread suggestions
>>
>>101246162
pcpartpicker has better seo
>>
>>101245527
>first gen ryzen
>freeze
>crash

looks like degrade issues, look for cheap 5700x.
>>
File: fsr2.jpg (1.5 MB, 1919x1079)
1.5 MB
1.5 MB JPG
>9 months of hype for 3.1 just for this
fuck this stupid company holy shit
>>
>>101246218
what hype
anyone who even heard of "upscaling" already knew to buy nvidia
literally no one cares about fsr besides maybe using fg on older nvidia cards
>>
>>101245574
Doesn't the ASUS VG249QM1A use the same panel as the ViewSonic XG2431?
>>
>>101246218
Purely software based, can't do magic.
>>
>>101246262
>implying an nvidia user would sully themselves with fsr
>>
File: dlss vs fsr2 lotf.jpg (209 KB, 752x1096)
209 KB
209 KB JPG
>>101239999
In the case of the 3060 vs 4060, that performance is sub-60 FPS at 1080p in UE5 and other modern games, so the VRAM is basically a non-issue, as you'll mostly be playing older or non-demanding games anyway. It's a trade off between VRAM and DLSS Frame Gen, but there are a couple of complications, in that Frame Gen requires VRAM and the 4060 is an x8 lane card (as opposed to the 3060's x16 lanes), and that can hamper the card, especially if it's not running over a PCIe 4.0 bus. The 4060 is slightly more performant in general.
>>
Where are the D15G2 reviews?
>>
File: file.png (191 KB, 495x606)
191 KB
191 KB PNG
>>101246218
>incel can do halfway decent stuff despite releasing just one semi-modern dedicated gpu
>amd can't
>>
File: blender cpu vs gpu.png (1.45 MB, 1242x1888)
1.45 MB
1.45 MB PNG
>>101240873
Geforce is a lot better for Blender especially

>>101241141
What matters is the drive's performance. A DRAMless drive like the SN770 is better than most Gen3 drives with DRAM

>>101241345
The SN850X is probably about the same price as the KC3000 and a little better. Doesn't really matter though

>>101242417
Read OP
>>
>>101239999
1080p: 3060 12gb is cheap and all you need
1440p: 4060 16gb is fine, but you'll prolly want 4070 (ideally super) -- or just wait for next gen poor man's gpu
>>
File: 1692761960015264.png (76 KB, 1096x689)
76 KB
76 KB PNG
For someone who has never built a computer before, is there a specific order the parts should go in aside from
>PSU into Case
>Case fans into case
>Ram into motherboard, CPU into motherboard
>Motherboard into case, fan onto CPU
>GPU into motherboard
>SSD into motherboard
Already have a 2.5 SSD that I'm moving over and already have monitor with the right cables

Anything I'm forgetting?
>>
I can't pick a case for my build bros...
Don't let me fall for the HYTE meme, recommend me a good case
>>
>>101246660
Depending on the size of your case and how much room you have to work with, you'll want to cable up your (modular) PSU before installing it.
You should also plug in the CPU 8-pin EPS power cable before installing the CPU heatsink
>>
File: br2.png (52 KB, 524x471)
52 KB
52 KB PNG
sirs I accidentally redeemed the $20 card on ebay instead of putting the money aside for my monitor hunt
what are the most useful electronics I can buy second hand for that much?
>>
>>101246660
if it doesn't hide ports you'll need it's fine to plug in.
depending on cpu heat sink you might want to connect cables/ram that's nearby before it. you prolly want to connect ssd before gpu, too. everything else is mostly whatever
>Anything I'm forgetting?
>2.5 SSD
yea, m2 ssd
>>
>>101246635
I'm the SSD guy.
Do you know anything about this?
>>101244117
Also, I read that DRAM is recommended if you're into video editing/modeling, etc. Some of my textures are over 500mb and I have to write constantly to the drive, won't a DRAMless be bad for that?
>>
>>101246709
used thinkpad from 2003
>>
>>101246660
Seems reasonable. Personally I install the cooler before en-casing the board. Gives you something to hold on to.
>>
>>101243216
Good but overrated. If you really care about strobing, the PG27AQN has ULMB2. Maybe some other monitors have it now too, not sure.

>>101244841
Start here
https://at.pcpartpicker.com/list/n3Nnz6

>>101245747
The pcmonitors.info guy does long form video reviews of monitors

>>101246136
LI is more about increments than logic. Not recommended.
>>
>>101246715
It's an old SSD and I plan to clone it to an m2 later, but I'd like to get this built for now. Thanks
>>101246699
>>101246739
Thanks bros
>>
If I just want to play Elden Ring at 4k/60fps at max settings, is a 3080 enough?

My current GPU is a 3060 Ti, and Elden Ring is stuttering even at lowest settings.

Here's the parts list if needed:
>RAM - Corsair DDR4 RAM 32GB (2x16G)
>Cooler - Cooler Master MasterLiquid 120L
>Storage - WD_BLACK 1TB SN850X
>PSU - Corsair RM850x
>Mobo - MSI PRO B760M-P DDR4
>CPU - Intel Core i5-13500
>GPU - Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti
>>
>>101246207
no way i'm beta-testing ryzens even further, not after all the issues i've had with it. My Xeon workstation just works.
My friend who's gonna inherit this AM4 system might want to try that though.
>>
My 3070 died. PC just turned off and won't boot with it connected, swapped with my old 1060 and it works.
Is there a better card for 3-400€ or should i get another 3070?
>>
>>101246813
>4k/60fps at max settings, is a 3080 enough
not even with dlss, 4k crushes everything except 4090 and mayyyybe 4080
>>
>>101246666
Define R7
>>
>>101246666
Fractal torrent full size or lianli 216
>>
Dell G2724D or AOC Q27G3XMN?
Trying to buy my first 1440p monitor
>>
>>101246666
>recommend me a good case
Well that depends entirely on what you need or want.
>>
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/2dc623f930
>displayspecifications.com
can this site be trusted for monitor spec comparisons
>>
File: Pepes.jpg (15 KB, 381x345)
15 KB
15 KB JPG
What are we thinking about new Ryzens?

Need it or Sneed it? Wait for X3D?
I want to build a PC sometime soon, but it's been so long I legitimately have no clue what parts are good anymore. I haven't been keeping up at all.

Can anyone give me a quick rubdown what's the best value Nvidia GPU right now (that's actually strong) and whether new Ryzens might be worth it?
>>
1080p on 1440p looks like shit due to how the pixels are stretched. but 1080p on 4k should look okayish since each pixel is 4 pixels, right? or is it also fucked?
talking in general, vidya, movies, whatever.
>>
>>101247087
>what's the best value Nvidia GPU right now (that's actually strong)
1080p cheapo 3060
1440p 4070 super
4k 4080 but ideally 4090
>new Ryzens
maybe
>>
File: 1693659672992479.png (766 KB, 1247x1200)
766 KB
766 KB PNG
>>101246218
While I think FSR 3.1 is largely a disappointment, as it doesn't even get near XeSS, subjectively a lot of people think it's an upgrade.
Comments like
>1440p Performance FSR3.1 is better than 1440p Quality FSR2.2
etc. lead me to be believe that the average retard might find FSR3.1 to be 'good enough' given the lesser price of Radeon. But I'll wait for more in depth analysis

>>101246726
Regarding the slots, the PCIe to NVMe adapter will be fine in the one you suggested. I don't think drives with DRAM increase endurance (i.e., drive lifespan) substantially. Modern drives use the system RAM to buffer, and they can convert empty space to pMLC for fast writing. If you're getting a TLC drive, which you probably are, for example when a 4 TB drive is empty, it has a 1.3 TB cache that's extremely fast. It eats 500 MB for lunch.

>>101246813
>stuttering
Not a GPU problem, a game engine problem. A faster CPU will help, but not much.
https://youtu.be/aGwLmiWPGO0?si=8CCoM77Oo8bAb8Fx&t=839
>>
>>101247115
>1440p 4070 super
I intend to play on 1080p but I want beefy frame excess since the new PC is supposed to be future-proof at least a decade or so.
4070 Super was actually my shortlist pick. Do you think that'll do, anon?
>>
is the hyper m2 slot for special nvme ssd's?
i installed mine in a normal slot
>>
if you buy radeon you are worse than hitler.
>>
>>101247136
>at least a decade
only 4090 will last you nearly as long. 4070 super should last you until next gen consoles get released + 1 year or so, because by then anything below 24gb vram will be insufficient -- no, it won't matter than 16gb is a shitton for 1080p, nobody optimizes shit nowadays
but yes, 4070 super is probably the sweet spot pick from what's currently available for 1440p and is more than enough for 1080p for however long until next consoles release
>>
>>101246709
Not $20 but sellers regencytechnologies and hitexstore will randomly have good auctions. Rhinotechnologygroup has an overwhelming amount of stuff if you're into /hsg/ autism or just want a HDD. For ~$30-40 you can look around for m.2 pcie expansion cards. Shit like cables and mounts, USB 3 flashdrives etc. too if you think you'll ever need them.
>>
>>101247095
1080p on a 4k monitor of normal size (27"+) will look bad by dint of density. A different kind of bad, sure, but not something you'd want to do if you can avoid it. For games we have good upscalers if your card can't handle 4k but movies and TV should ideally be viewed natively. Still, if you insist on naive upscaling then integer scaling is generally visually superior.
>>
>>101245270
i have it.
it's pleasant to the touch but i have issues with my mouse working really weirdly near the edges, where the black/yellow pattern is.
>>
>>101247200
My 1060 is around 7 to 8 years old now, it's alright. My fans died and I had to get them replaced, but it can't keep up anymore.
>until next gen consoles are released
So basically never.
>4070 super is probably the sweet spot pick from what's currently available for 1440p and is more than enough for 1080p
That's what I thought. Thanks anon. I guess new Ryzens are still are mystery to all. I might bite the bullet and get them if they're really cheaper than 7000s though.
>>
>>101246813
>is a 3080 enough?
Probably not with RT. I would use the DLSS mod before bothering to upgrade your graphics card, as the stuttering isn't GPU related.

>>101246838
Elden Ring is not a demanding game without RT

>>101246832
Unfortunately, there's not really a better card. The (((((low end)))))) sucks these days. I'd up the budget until you can get a 4070 or 4070, or maybe a used 3080 if you can find one cheap enough.

>>101246948
I would suggest the AOC because of HDR.
>>
>>101247087
Don't bother waiting if you're gaming. The 7800X3D will still be the best gaming CPU until the 9800X3D gets released, and it'll likely be a lot more expensive for not much performance boost over the older chip.

The best strong but (((((good))) value Nvidia graphics card is the 4070 Super.

>>101247095
For video games you use DLSS if you can't run full resolution. The problem with videos isn't the non-1:1 pixels, it's the fact that you're stretch low resolution 1080p to a much larger screen.

>>101247136
1080p is a garbage resolution at this point. Especially if you have the budget for a 4070 Super, you should get a 1440p monitor, preferably one that's HDR capable like the Q27G3XMN. Always better to turn whatever resolution you can run into a higher resolution with reconstruction (preferably DLSS).

>>101247200
>by then anything below 24gb vram will be insufficient
You are crazy
>>
>>101247087
>ryzen
Can only hope AMD isn't too cocky to aggressively drop prices soon after release again. There's nothing about the parts that would make somebody want to get them anywhere near day 1 at MSRP but they seem good. Just get 7800x3d
>>
>>101247414
>AMD
>aggressively drop prices
lol
this isn't AMD from a decade ago
>>
>>101247351
>1080p is a garbage resolution at this point
I don't really care. I just want 144 FPS and ability to maybe do VR.
>>
File: 1718751853107026.jpg (132 KB, 900x900)
132 KB
132 KB JPG
are destitute tier (sub-$700) high refesh monitors a meme
are they really an improvement over 1080p/1440p 60hz in terms of motion clarity when they are still miles off CRTs
>>
>>101247505
7800x3d is down to 340 from 450 and 7950x3d is only 500 instead of 700
>>
I've gone OLED and i'm never going back to lesser displays.
>>
>>101247734
I would go OLED without hesitation if the monitors wouldn't burn in after 90 days. Especially concerning as a productivity user.
>>
Did that rumour about an L4 cache tile for Arrow Lake have any backing or was it pure fabricated copium?
>>
File: 20240702_204127.jpg (1.31 MB, 3060x2204)
1.31 MB
1.31 MB JPG
fuck
>>
>>101247808
Other than coming out of MLID it was copium.

>>101247810
I would advise plugging that in.
>>
>>101247810
What did you learn today anon?
I even made a post earlier in the thread when someone asked about order of installation that you should install the CPU 8-pin power cable before your heatsink
I've made the same mistake in the past and vow never to do it again
>>
>>101247826
i'll definitely never make this mistake again, what a pain in the ass
>>
I'm nervous to build my first pc
What if I fuck up
>>
>>101235794
im looking for a 27" 4k HDR true 10 bit panel monitor that will produce nice and life like colors I will often watch photos and movies and keep looking at desktop wallpapers...
>>
>>101248039
im going through the exact same thing
we're gonna make it
>>
does mini led burn in like oled
>>
>>101248039
you'll just spend more money, nothing to woory about
>>
>>101246948
I recently bought the G2724D and I think it's excellent. Not sure how Dell is making a profit on these things at $180-200.
>>
>>101248091
No.
>>
>>101248177
where are the mini led gayming and productivity displays then
>>
>>101248284
Xiaomi has one.
>>
>>101247129
>But I'll wait for more in depth analysis
there's already been a couple of channels on youtube like s2bench that tested the same scenarios that show FSR2.1 and 2.2's weaknesses and those same weaknesses appear in 3.1, the disoclussion and pixelization and bad particle effects when things get moving on the screen
the only difference from earlier FSR upscaler versions is that there is a reactive mask to add a bit of blur to areas that would've gotten pixelated. the garbled disoclussion is still there and the detail isn't actually any better, the damage is just partially replaced with smearing instead of just pixelization now
retards online will praise 3.1 just because number go up = better, and because of underdog effect
>>
I got 2 cables for CPU and 2 for PCI-E with the PSU
dumb question but the extra cables are just spare, right?
>>
Anything I can optimize on this?

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/Lpqqt7
>>
Which thermal paste do you recommend for an air cooler?
>>
are you sure i dont need a new CPU cooler? it hits this temp when playing newer games and its only a 12700k i think i need an AIO or at least a cooler with two fans
>>
>>101248593
Most likely yes.
>>
>>101248701
Tjmax is 100c so anything below that is within spec.
>>
>>101248730
ok but dont higher temps usually mean it dies faster even if its within spec?
>>
File: 2700q response time.png (24 KB, 480x246)
24 KB
24 KB PNG
So you're telling me that 1440p displays aren't inherently more laggy than 1080p displays and that I've just been using a latency-burned piece of shit to try and play games for the last few years as opposed to doing pure office work? Because holy shit. No wonder my 24MP55HQ-P felt faster and snappier.
>>
I have a weird problem with my fans
My PC is making a noise that sounds like a fan hitting a cable as it spins, except that's not what it is. I don't see a cable hitting any fan and I physically stopped each fan to make sure
It seems to be a problem with a fan though, because the noise is only audible as my fans ramp up
>>
>>101248744
Displays evolve anon. That plasma you had back in the day or saw at the store was laggy as shit compared to a modern TN.
>>
>>101248633
Arctic MX-4 just werks for me
>>
>>101248741
On a technical level yes but on a practical level? Well that is where things get complicated as there is not a simple yes/no answer to the question as temperature alone doesn't tell the whole story.
>>
>>101248741
CPUs/GPUs are designed to run at tjmax for their entire lifespan. Anything under is better.
>>
i hought there were supposed to be two pci-e cables that go into the 4070 super, there's only a singular plug for a 12vhpwr cable
>>
>>101248811
I say, because even comparing the 2700Q to modern sub-$300 gaming displays seems to put the color gamut to shame on this thing as far sRGB and Adobe RGB goes, at least on paper.
https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/comparison/b7c02bd48c
Now I'm slightly hesitant to even buy a new monitor right now because of how quickly it might become obsoleted. Even if at $220 this is relatively inexpensive for what it does.
>>
>>101248605
That Corsair PSU is semi-passive. It starts spinning up every couple of minutes and then stops, forever. I sold it because I couldn't take it. Bought a Bequiet that always has a fan spinning.
>>
is HDR 1000 garbage?
>>
>>101248701
>>101248741
80 degrees while gaming is fine, I'd only get a new cooler if the noise of the current one bothers you
Trust me, you're going to want to upgrade your CPU long before it dies, even if you were playing games 24/7
I legitimately cannot remember the last time I heard a CPU just straight up dying, with the exception of careless overclocking
>>
File: aaah.gif (1.81 MB, 400x400)
1.81 MB
1.81 MB GIF
Best monitors for pure picture quality/color accuracy/gamut/bit depth/contrast/brightness under ~$450?
>>
I refuse to allow my GPU/CPU core temperature to go beyond 65c under load. I always keep the fans running on my GPU at all times to provide cool air onto the PCB.
>>
>>101248980
you have no cool air in summer
>air conditioner
redneck
>>
>>101248947
No but there is more to it than just absolute peak brightness depending on what display type is in question.
>>
>>101249002
its a 27 inch 1440p mini LED for 400 dollars
>>
>>101249015
link
>>101248999
gpu wont go beyond 47c idle
>>
>>101249025
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-Monitor-Speakers-Adjustable-Designer/dp/B0CHRD2827/
>>
File: 1719626458455721.png (238 KB, 896x560)
238 KB
238 KB PNG
Are 1080p 24" 120Hz OLEDs a thing? Just scrolling on my Xaomi Note 10 Pro or doing the UFO test, 120 FPS feels almost totally clear when tracking with my eyes.
>>
>>101249097
For a good UFO you need <500hz.
>>
File: 20220419211719_1.jpg (543 KB, 3440x1440)
543 KB
543 KB JPG
>>101246813
I have a 3080Ti, RT brings it below 60. You can run most reshade presets at 60 though, if that's any consolation. The game is just optimized like garbage.
>>
so the lain li edge PSU's are out, or at least the 1300W models are. no listings on amazon but newegg has em for sale, shame cause I only want the 1000W model.
>>
>>101246813
I used to play GTA V at 2160p medium settings on a GTX 670, what the fuck are games doing nowadays with their lack of optimization? I thought devs were going to target 1440p/2160p as a baseline since 1080p got saturated by Maxwell and 8th gen consoles.
>>
>>101249114
isnt 120hz oled still gonna beat out even fast ips/tn at <240hz
>>
I have a 12vhpwr connector and cable from my psu
Can't i just plug it strraight in the gpu or should i use the double pci-e to 12vhpwr adaptor that i got with the gpu
>>
>>101249097
OLED still costs like almost $1k although it would be like 1440p. give it a few years for more OLED monitors to come out.
>>
File: LazyDevs.png (218 KB, 1865x427)
218 KB
218 KB PNG
>>101249324
>>
what's the best way to spend like $500 to upgrade my PC?

Ryzen 5 1600AF + stock cooler
ASRock B450M Pro4
16GB RAM 3200
2080
650w EVGA PSU
>>
>>101246635
graphics card guy, thanks for the graph. I will see if I can find an nvidia chip that won't kill the bank. Thanks!
>>
>>101249796
5700X3D
maybe 32gb
>>
i just turned on my pc for the first time and i cant find the xmp option
i have a b650m gp lightning wifi
>>
DRAM Profile Configuration
>>
>>101249979
found it, thanks
seems to be on auto
>>
>>101250079
>>101250079
>>101250079
>>
Is it possible to do better then this for an RV trailer park build that needs to be under 200w? Budget is $500. Have a Small 22 inch monitor in RV that is only 1080p and will add another 50w, even looks good if I game at 720P. I want to target 60FPS/720p minimum in Star Wars Outlaws for September trip.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($134.44 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: MSI A520M-A PRO Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Signature Line 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-2400 CL17 Memory ($26.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan Z 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($27.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: ASRock Challenger ITX Radeon RX 6400 4 GB Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: EVGA 400 N1 400 W ATX Power Supply ($46.83 @ Amazon)
Total: $466.21
Total Watts: 199
>>
>>101249796
A better CPU won't help you with new games much (as the GPU will usually be the limiting factor), and the CPU you have is good enough for old games even if it limits the 2080 occasionally. If you wanted to spend like $225 to get a better CPU while saving more for a new graphics card (and possibly a new monitor), that would be a good starting place. But I can't recommend spending money at all without a commitment to finish the job (maybe when new midrange graphics cards drop in the first part of next year), unless you maybe have some specific game in mind in which you want better performance

>>101249361
Use the native 12VHPWR if possible, avoiding adapters

>>101249051
It's a VA, and from what I've seen the it has the typical black smearing (aka slow pixel transitions from black). The AOC Q27G3XMN doesn't have quite as many zones, but it's got a faster VA panel, and it's a lot cheaper when you can find it in stock.

>>101248892
You need to use an adapter(which will likely use 2x 8-pin PCIe power cables) if your PSU doesn't have 12VHPWR.
>>
>>101249796
>>101250211
>If you wanted to spend like $225 to get a better CPU
What I was implying was a 5700X3D + new cooler

>>101250176
>Star Wars Outlaws
Not going to be playable on an RX 6400 in my opinion. Avatar is on the same engine
https://youtu.be/ge8lakLQTI4?si=L8mfQ_kS2j0FUtNd&t=662
That's lowest settings, targeting 900p with FSR Ultra Performance, so starting from 300p. It's going to look horrible.

>under 200w?
Keep in mind also that if your PSU is a standard 80% efficiency, it'll be drawing 250W to supply 200W to the system.

At $120, the RX 6400 is a waste of money. The RTX 3050 6 GB (has to be the 6 GB, not the 8 GB) is the best option for a low wattage card, and you'll have access to DLSS, which will make the best of a bad situation. You want to buy a used system like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364974399799
And then drop in the RTX 3050 6 GB, possibly a low profile variant if a normal sized one can't fit in the case. You'll also want to check the BIOS for any kind of power saving mode for the i5 10600
>>
>>101250176
>>101250360
>ebay
Here's a better example with 16 GB RAM
https://www.ebay.com/itm/405065667992
>>
>>101250360
>Star Wars Outlaws
>>101250416
Crap, I figured I should build a PC because the minisforum prebuilt PC's wouldn't be able to handle it. I was also thinking about buying a Steam Deck but I can't guarantee side loading it would have acceptable performance since its a game not officially supported on Steam and the risk of battery exploding in a hot environment. The last option I have is being peasant and getting a cheap Xbox SS which to be fair may not be much of a downgrade considering my limitations.
>>
>>101250505
>getting a cheap Xbox SS
Honestly, probably the best option if you don't need all the other benefits of PC and just want to play SW: Outlaws. You can also more easily resell the system later. You can get an open box Series S for like $200, and I'm pretty sure that includes a controller



[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.