>intel fumbles
>AMD fumbles even harder
lol wtf is this crap

>>102037472
yeah because they're using TSMC which is expensive as fuck. fuck do you think they should do with the CCDs with only 6 cores working?
intel can't do 8 cores on their i5 processors either because that's just how the silicon lottery works, you can't escape it.
>um uh actually um
amd already splits their shit into chiplets to drive costs down, shut the fuck up already. if you want a thousand cheap cores just buy old xeon systems

>>102037474
>evga kingpin mobo
vghhh. too bad they wont make those anymore

>>102037494
intel's "fumble" is literally chips dying left and right, the appropriate word is "scam"
amd's "fumble" is just subpar uplifts for gaming

>>102037519
so AMD was lying and trying to scam others, okay

>>102037542
yes they said you get fired from your job if you don't take the zen5 booster

>>102037542
You should focus on making sure arrow lake runs fine instead of damage controlling this late

>>102037474
should rename to Brand Faggots Fistfight General

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>>102037542
>t. picrel

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>>102037474
>AM5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57X2FygcqLE [Open] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed] [Embed]

>>102037568
hey you're always spamming this image! i wonder why?
are we trying to do some damage control right now? ;)

>>102037569
*smooch*

>>102037500
They're nice but their bios is very incomplete, often only being able to handle 1 type of ram ICs well like their z390 dark that only works well with b-die

Amd is trash. Deadass

foreskin captcha when

>>102037609
DO NOT REEDEEM BLOODY BASTARD SAARS

>>102037609
Bloody benchod

Wew 400w 79xtx Nice its like 4090 speed for half the money kek undervolted oc 2.8ghz around 1mv or less way better than my 69xt oc and 50% faster for same pwr

>pc shit flinging general

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>>102037609
uh oh

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all this AMD hate is totally organic goy

>>102037651
>3 posts criticizing/ mocking amd
>all this AMD hate is totally organic goy
how are you this insecure?

>>102037659
GOOD MORNING SARS BUY INTEL

I love amd just not their cpus
13600k and 79xtx feels weird but way faster than 59x 69xt i had

>>102037782
just get a 7800x3d lol

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>>102037782
>new cpu is faster than old cpu

>>102037811
Is there a connector that predates SATA? I found an old HDD but it's not SATA at all. No idea what it is. Powered by molex I think. Has jumpe pins for master/slave boot or w/e it was called.

>>102037836
PATA?

4060 not even in the bottom of the charts on previous thread, i chose the wrong one as usual

>>102037782
how do you even make it through life being this fucking stupid

>>102037836
ESDI
SCSI
SASI
SMD
IDE

Couldn't think of any more, probably one of those though

>>102037875
>PATA
Not a real standard, don't listen to this person he's a phone poster

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>>102037889
>>102037811
>>102037804
Umad

>>102037935
I'm not mad, I genuinely pity you

Im moving to a different country, have to sell my amazing 1440p 144hz monitors. These things are $450 right now new. i listed them for $200 each, then lowered it to $150.

Selling anything is just a series of lowballing boomers

>boomer wants to buy my $50 fan
>list it for $25
>asks for $10 discount
>ok, just buy it today
>meet up
>she hands me $10 in cash
>jums in her car and her husband drives away

>gen X wants my boxes of soap I bought in bulk
>asks 100 questions
>doesn't buy them
>genX wants my box of AA batteries
>asks 100 questions
>doesn't buy them

>millennial wants my protein shakes
>buys them for the listed price

>Zoomer wants my monitor
>pays the asking price in cash with his pocket money

Literally only have issues ith boomers, GenX, and arabs on these selling apps

Can't wait to build a new PC next month

>>102037651
How can anyone hate AMD?

>Naming conventions that make sense
>Reasonable profit margins for GPUs so 3rd parties can make money

Sure I won't buy their GPUs but that's because Nvidia has awful business practices. so i won't buy Nvidia new :^)

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will be my first time building a pc, do I need anything other than ziptie for cable management and thermal paste?
also r8 my build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MVKWN6

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>>102037987
Moshe, should I add 110th country to the list?

>>102037987
GenX are boomer lite at this point, its kind of sad.

>>102038017
What are you going to use it for?

>do I need [...] ziptie for cable management
Maybe. Sometimes the case or PSU will come with some - worth checking.

>thermal paste
The cooler will come with some. It's fine.

>>102037938
I pity steam as i refund black myth wukong after benchmarking it for two hours

>>102038062
it's OK i didn't refund it and it runs great on my caucasian heterosexual owned machine, Nvidia gpu and amd cpu.

>>102038055
>What are you going to use it for?
to play FFXVI
>Maybe. Sometimes the case or PSU will come with some - worth checking.
Thanks, guess I'll just get some cheap ones

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>>102038069
this anon was spot on

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>>102038073
Thanks. For gaming you typically want a stronger card over a better CPU (within reason). To that end I'd drop the CPU to a 13/14600k (or 7600) and up the card to a 4070Ti Super. See pic - difference is <10% under worst-case conditions while the card upgrade would offer a 15-20% improvement in more reasonable scenarios.
Aside from that the only other major change I'd make would be to get a better SSD. The NV2 is mystery meat (variable components) and quite often comes with QLC NAND which is undesirable in a boot drive.
Other changes would be minor optimizations and price-shopping on the day.

>>102038028
They act exactly like the Boomers except they know what they are doing is wrong.

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>>102038147
> For gaming you typically want a stronger card over a better CPU (within reason). To that end I'd drop the CPU to a 13/14600k (or 7600) and up the card to a 4070Ti Super.
Never saw anything about this so thanks for the advice anon
I'll just price check shops for the cheapest I can get with this build or just adjust the minor parts, thanks a lot!
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y3x4rv

I want to play
>AAA Unreleased game at max settings 4k RT
with
>unreleased GPU 5090

will I get 100fps

>>102038321
Yes. But use AMD cpu.

>>102038323
too late i already have a 14900k timebomb
>no signs of degradation yet

>>102037494
>AMD fumbles even harder
It's literally just Windows being garbage, as usual. Real operating systems do not have this problem.

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it's over bulldozer bros

Is Zen5 worth it?

>>102038345
Worth it after 24H2 update comes out and shows what it's true performance is

>>102038341
cope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPo5io-Gfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wLXQnZjcjU

>>102038069
Runs meh on amd cant even get 1080p 60fps maxxed but looks nice souls like gameplay meh great into and graphics though

>>102038358
Inb4 it also gives intel 12-15th gen an uplifting

>>102038375
Meanwhile in the real world: https://www.phoronix.com/review/ryzen-9950x-windows11-ubuntu

>>102038414
>majority of tech reviewers say the same thing about zen 5
>shows their own benchmarks and math
>here let me show you this cherrypicked article
amdjeets floundering lmao

>>102038433
intel performs better on linux too mr shill

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How much of a bottleneck is PCIE 3.0 forcthe GPU when you only use 1080p?

>>102038257
It's a common new builder mistake.

I've optimized your list a bit further here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6QXjwg
Mostly basic stuff like price-shopping the commodity parts (RAM/SSD/PSU) but do please check that the new mobo suits your requirements. For a basic gaming rig it'll almost certainly exceed them but if you need eg. 10G LAN for your (unmentioned) home server then you'll need to pay up.

>>102038358
this thing will tank every machines

>>102038523
If the card has 16 lanes it's not a bottleneck at all.
If it's x8 then maybe 5% tops.
If it's x4, upwards of 10%. Not many x4 cards on the market these days though - only really the 6500XT and "non gaming" cards like the 1030.

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So if I want the best compromise between gaming + productivity then is the 7950X3D the bext choice right now?

Does it need any fiddling so it uses the right cores for the right applications, any of that windows game bar fuckery or whatever that is?

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Should or I should I not go 4k with 7900XT? How optimistic are you about next next gen 4k performance mid range cards? I don't mind holding out for 2 more years with 79XT

Wondering if a Raidmax H704 ATX would fit a B550M K motherboard's I/O shield.

>>102038654
buy non 3D with as many cores as you want
X3D are for Pro Gamers, most people don't need that performance

>>102038654
>Does it need any fiddling so it uses the right cores for the right applications, any of that windows game bar fuckery or whatever that is?
no. really, it's all bullshit, you had to do it on intel because difference was huge and some games plain didn't work, it's minimal on AMD

>>102038433
>shows their own benchmarks and math
Using Windows, retard.

>>102038686
io shields are all the same size

>>102038745
Thanks brother.

>>102038682
I got a 7800XT and it could be better for 4k modern gaming. It does everything else great.

>>102038682
The good thing is that gaming requirements aren't going up at this point, we're already past the phase where they're releasing games for last gen consoles.
Other than that, there's no crystal ball for what kind of performance is coming. Mid-range VRAM amounts look kind of garbage for 4k thoughbeit, they'll essentially stay the same.

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Keyboard recommendations?

>>102038875
Leopold FC750R

>>102038882
>200$
>no numpad

>>102038875
Logitech K120

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>>102038800
going by wukong it still can go higher
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/black-myth-wukong-dlss-vs-fsr-vs-xess-comparison/
also what the fuck? FSR got way higher detail and shadows, DLSS thins the scene out, is NVIDIA cutting rendering corners again?
and the performance is shit, what the hell at 66% resolution.

>>102038897
after 7 years with it I learned to type numbers without numpad. thing is built like a lead brick, you can't break it.

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building a pc is a waste of time and effort, just get a steam deck

>>102038948
Steam Deck is too much trouble, buy a Switch

>>102038943
You can't do any serious number crunching on the top line. Besides, in my language it's reserved for diacritics. ěščřžýáíé

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>>102038948
>>102038959
lemme guess. you need more?

>>102038985
why do I feel nausea looking at it?

>>102038995
you need to lower your screen brightness

>>102038967
get >>102038902 that then
Leopold FC980M PD if you want to be burried with your keyboard. I like Leopold, they are so solid

>>102038985
>used to play one of these on my break 25 years ago before I owned a Nokia.

>>102038875
keychron whatever feature set you want is a decent default option

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>>102037474
Work at a thrift store and using parts I find to see if I can upgrade my PC's.

I have an old PC from 2011
i5 2500k
ASRock z68 mobo
8gb ram (2x4gb)
Radeon hd6950

What sort of parts should I keep an eye out for if I were to upgrade this? And can something like this still play something like terraria or have as a shared browsing PC?

Am i better off using 2x4gb ram or a single stick of 8gb ram?

>>102038935
>is NVIDIA cutting rendering corners again?
You're not allowed to noootice things here anon.

>>102039027
x2 sticks
you can play terraria on it
look out for a better GPU

>>102038935
wow yeah, that's a stark difference in quality
dlss in bmw is detail destroying slop

>>102038985
>grandma used to always play this
>would borrow this to play while the cool kids played with the game boy color
I miss you grandma.

>>102039027
2x8 ddr3 1600/1866 kits are cheap, so are lga 1155 4c 8t xeon chips

dx 11.2 is still fairly new, so you might not need to upgrade the gpu for your use case

How much hardware would I leave behind if I made my PC game Vulkan-only?

can i access nvme drive without screwing it down

>>102039201
In broad strokes just decade old parts.

>>102039201
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam
You'll be able to support 71.06% of the market

>>102039140
Does brand of ram really matter?

I'm seeing timetec ones as the cheapest on amazon

mfw this x670e-f will get into bios with dp cable but not hdmi cable (i tried hdmi in igpu and a gt 610 in both x16 slots, get white vga light but green boot light) waiting to install windows before i plug my old nvme in cause wangblows 10 installer would default to its bootloader before i drop my 4080 in. if it doesnt boot with 2 hdmi cables plus the dp cable plugged into that then im gonna be pissed

>>102039140
>>102039027
>>102039056

Also do you guys think this PC would be good for emulation of older consoles?

>>102039201
Vulkan needs
Amd radeon hd 7000+, intel skylake+, nvidia maxwell+
there is rudimentary vulkan support on haswell and kepler but realistically it doesn't really work

>>102039319
it would emulate everything up to the ps2 fine

>>102039027
Your thrift stores dont see newer generation CPUs and GPUs? They throw these shits in dumpsters everywhere.

>>102039253
99% of the time no, brand of ram does not matter
>>102039319
check the system requirements of the specific emulators you want to use

what monitor should i buy for mostly just programming? i need low latency and high refresh rate
i heard 4k 27" is good but isnt that shit small as fuck and you need to scale?

I want to build my own pc, where do I go to find part recommendations and build discussions?

>>102039588
here, why do you want to build your own pc?
for work or gaming? do you have a budget?

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You have around $3000 on a PC with monitor (no other pereph).
What you would rather buy?

7800x3d with 4080(or super if possible) and IPS monitor (like 27 inches LG UltraGear series)

Or you would buy cheaper setup, like 7500 with 4070, but having OLED monitor?

>>102038017
Make yourself a favour and avoid that CPU, you should know why by now.
Get a 7800X3D and a B AM5 motherboard.
Also I recommend a 2TB SSD.
Everything else is ok and good value.

>>102039588
> I want to build my own pc, where do I go to find part recommendations and build discussions
Here.
Make request.

>>102039784
Kept my old Ulta wide 34" from 5-10 years ago they where only 250usd each
Saving up 500usd for a 55" Kogan 120hz OLED next time it goes on special

>>102039027
Ihad that GPU it was based
Get a used 12900k z590 a770
Too old to upgrade it's 14yo

>>102039835
>12900k z590
that won't work, z590 is for 11 gen cpus

>>102039815
> Kept my old Ulta wide 34" from 5-10 years ago they where only 250usd each
I don't have 1440p monitor.
> Saving up 500usd for a 55" Kogan 120hz OLED next time it goes on special
I have LG nano86 50 inches TV

>>102039784
GPU will give you no fidelity increase it's jsut a tool to run media, I would take 7600 at last though.
OLED will increase fidelity.

>>102038935
Going from a a770/1080ti to 79xt was a hell of a jump beats the shit out of the 69xt I had

>>102038682
79xtx is within 15% of a 4090 now for a third of the price total no brainer I got one new for 800usd

>>102039798
Not him but also a newbie.
How do I know which ones are good Intel and AMD CPUs

>>102039860
I had a 75" qled broke and returned then I got a old 50" plasma for the lols actually looks pretty nice other daily's a 65" dumb tv I can't stand smart tvs

>>102039873
> OLED will increase fidelity.
No

>>102040032
Yes

>>102038935
>DLSS thins the scene out, is NVIDIA cutting rendering corners again?
Anon, DLSS IS cutting corners.
It is literally cope for people who can't render proper resolution.
This is the same thing as when I lowered resolution in 2003 to play halflife because my PC was office reject worth shite.

Is $850 a fair price for an OC 3 fan RTX 4070 Ti Super?

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Is a system with an i7-8700 with GTX 1060 still worth upgrading? How well does that CPU do with current gayms with a halfway modern GPU, would a used RTX 3070 be a good option?

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>>102038902
Extremely based, truly the utilitarian choice.

>>102040253
I mean you can upgrade your GPU to a used 3070 and save for a platform upgrade to AM5 or the new Intel platform if you feel like the 8700K is holding you back (it probably is though lets be real)

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Stop buying massive coolers

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>>102040472
noctuafags are a special kind of stupid but a peerless assassin is also $35

>>102040472
Meme doesn't work unless you swap out the pure rock slim 2 with the phantom spirit

>>102040472
no.

>>102039784
uhhh, if $500 is that big of a deal i would not buy oled which is more of consumable

isn't jewvidea supposed to just work?
>have 2 monitors
>one has dsc
>everytime pc comes back from sleep the monitors flash black like 5 times
>werxed fine on ayymd

>>102040597
> if $500 is that big of a deal
AMOLED is more like $1000-1500 while UltraGear series LG would be $300-350.

>>102040613
Goim you should get 2 new g sync premium models

>>102039784
OLED route with a cheap 4K IPS as the primary non-content consumption driver. I am a firm believer that the display is one of the most important components of the PC. It is literally the one part you directly interface and look at 100% of the time you use your system and can be carried over between upgrades.

>>102037474
Tried to play the new helldivers with my son, and when my PC could not handle it, i decided it was time for this decade's upgrade.

Here's the current rig:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NjbqTY

And here's the proposed upgrade:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DsPjwg

The only thing i'm not quite sure about is what RAM speed works best with the new ryzen chips? specifically the 9950X (this is a workstation, gaming is a secondary priority, i am not getting the X3D chip.).

>>102040830
6000mhz cl30 or cl28 works best with these chips

Guys, are serous? Average AMOLED will burn in start menu in 2 years. Don't you had AMOLED phone?

i'd play on 1080p CRT if i had the room

>>102040830
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/fwKYMV
9950X is the way to go for production.
>D15
DO NOT PAY $269 FOR A D15 IN 2024.
>Asus profart
gave you a cheaper motherboard that HWUnbox recommends, unless you have any specific rear IO requirements but a 10gbit card is a lot cheaper than $600 AUD over the price of the proart...
>ram
6000, CL30 is what you want for ram the price for 96gb over 64gb isn't worth it imo.
>SSD
Samsung SSDs are overpriced, the KC3000 is identical in performance and $40 cheaper.

>>102040531
>>102040533
>>102040566

>he doesn't know
Haven't you seen the posts about the build quality?

There's a reason that they're selling those things for 35 bucks.

>>102040880
hello human from 2016

>>102040472
>>102040531
I bought noctua 7 years ago and going to use it for another 7 years.

>>102041039
>D15
It's the G2 first of all, I bought the NH-U9B in like 2013 when i built my current PC, i just want something quiet that will work for the next 10 years that i don't need to think about. I'm in australia, so it'll probably be more expensive lol.

>profart
I was looking for a workstation motherboard with no gay RGB shite. the built in 10 gig NIC was nice, and i liked the built in thunderbolt support. i'll probably just wait for the x870E's.
I'm just trying to build a future proof machine, what would your suggestion be anon?

>>102041079
Gamers Nexus says you're wrong noctuafag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm4hyIHe1PM

>>102041112
I can't hear you over the whale sounds you're making.

>>102041122
all coolers last a long time, noctuas are not unique in that aspect.

>>102041079
i'm watching Final Destination 2 i'm expecting the fan to go flying through the room in an attempt to kill me.

>>102041170
12 year old noctua cooler works amazingly, and makes fkall sound. honestly it just works and that's why i like it. i don't care about brandfagging, i buy the thing that worked last time, and don''t think about it again

>>102041215
the thermalright fans are quieter than the noctua fans. noctua is a meme.

Will amd announce RDNA 4 today? I just want to know if it's coming out this year so I know if I have to wait.

>>102041316
I guess so, because MLID wants to say he had the leak even though it wasn't until two days before gamescom

>>102041316
no, schedule says nothing going to happen
at best we will get AFMF2 release window
AMD going to miss opportunity again.

>>102041170
Fuck noctua, but stop pretending the themalrite fans don't have awful QC and build quality

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>>102037474
i need a case that isn't giant supports dvd drives and will fit one of these https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/W790%20WS/index.asp

finna get a 150 quid platinum lake xeon engineering sample they are insane you get 50k in cinebench and theyre like 66k in cpu passmark

>>102041512
you can buy three thermalright coolers and six good fans for the price of one D15

>>102041238
Nah.
t. got a phantom spirit and it's louder than my D15 gen 1.

>>102041628
But I need to buy D15 only once.
It's like people who buy cheap $10 faucets, it leaks in a year but they keep purhasing cheap ones for years instead of getting solid faucet for $50.

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Day 505 of waiting for next-gen GPUs

>>102041667
you are either a dumb fuck, or a shill.
its more like people who buy a $200 faucet when the $50 faucet is just as durable

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>>102041170
Geth the Phantom Spirit for an additional heatpipe.

>>102037474
Will 9800X3D be worth waiiting for?

>>102041901
well, I reinstalled it 4 times already, very easily, it doesn't gunk, it cools 7700x very well, will cool the last am5 CPU well enough too I bet.
Quality of lfie investment was worth it and it will alst me more than a decade. So is it really worth it saving $40 over D15?
I got mine for $70-ish btw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7NcCP19qsg
why amd fudging numbers why not just wait for the windows 11 update? why lie? Really scummy and i say that as a amd fan until zen 3 which was excellent sadly i didnt get a x3d cpu now im on a rusty136k

>>102042035
Zen5 is a skip generation

>>102042069
the phantom spirit/peerless assassin is $36, the D15 is $110
the heatsink itself is no more or less durable than the noctua heatsink. its a fucking chunk of metal.
the fans can be replaced with any decent fan once they die in five years.
the D15 is outperformed by the thermalright coolers even with the cheap fans.
buying a noctua in 2024 is moronic.

>>102037474
Debating between a B450 board or a B550 board, upgrading my brothers rig from a 3770, already convinced on getting a Ryzen 5700X3D but I don't know if PCIE Gen 4 is worth it for NVME and GPUs.
Let alone can I find any resources any more on what's the best M-ATX board. So long as I don't have to spend over £90 on it I'll be happy.

>>102042146
>>102042146
>buying a noctua in 2024 is moronic.
maybe, I got it in 2017, ease of installation is a big thing though

>>102042035
nothing is worth waiting for if you desperately need a system, but if you can wait 4-5 months it will be.

>>102042143
so was Zen4 until the 7800X3D, with how bandwidth starved Zen4 was and how much worse AMD made the bandwidth bottleneck, in addition with the new vcache being able to run the voltages and clocks as per normal the 9800X3D will likely be a monster.

>>102037474
*leaks*

>>102042035
no zen 5 is absultingly bad zen 3 and 4 are so much better in every way
let the press beta test it and pick it up cheap on a trash pile online for nothing

>>102037836
>Is there a connector that predates SATA?
Lol I still subconsciously think of SATA as the "new" connector for hard drives.

>>102037474
The case in OP looks custom to me but I really don't know. Did someone custom mill this? It looks incredibly.

>>102042156
B550 to avoid bios updates. Don't spend more than 150$ on a mobo but don't buy the megacheap either.

>>102041761
Rdna4 today surely

for me it's the THERMALRIGHT ASSASSIN X 120 REFINED SE (12 bucks from some store idk)

Any news on Intel battlemage?

>>102042720
Right now they're all seemingly £90-100, I basically want whatever isn't shit, I just wish I could find a tier list for them like I used to be able to.

>>102042885
a770 fag here its now my backup gpu i have no idea what to do with it got sick of waiting 79xtx shits on it

guess ill keep it for a mitx htpc build i got planned

>>102042116
>why amd fudging numbers why not just wait for the windows 11 update? why lie?
If you recall AMD recalled (heh) CPUs they had already shipped to Retailers a few weeks prior to launch for unspecified quality issues causing a few weeks delay. I think with post-launch analysis of the software side of the chips' operation it's clear AMD thought that they could land on a more advanced TSMC node than what ended with to bail out their server-first redesign with higher clocks at lower power limits they wanted to target to paper over poor IPC, then after finding out they were gonna be stuck on a shittier process panic-repositioned Zen 5 at the last minute to try and make it not a total Bulldozer-redux. This caused cascading delays and confusion internally within AMD. You'll further remember how there were rumors that they were thinking of upping the TDPs to try and beat the 7800X3D pre-release and that now they've said they will follow through with it upping some 65W TDP chips to 105W with a new AGESA update:
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/two-amd-zen-5-cpus-may-receive-a-significant-performance-uplift

I honestly don't know why Zen 5 exists on the desktop at all.
Minimal ST/MT improvements
No additional cores
Small power benefits don't matter for consumers not managing a server farm
Accompanying unlaunched chipset does not to really expand the feature set at a higher price except for USB 4 support.
More expensive than Zen 4

It's clearly a datacenter/enterprise architecture. If AMD had just kept as an EPYC-only launch I doubt anyone cares if they had said, "yeah it'd be basically DOA for end-users over the 7000, just ignore it your turn is coming next" much like how Intel segregates their Mobile & Desktop Archs which have very different design goals. Sure they need to offload bad bins of Zen 5 somewhere, but surely selling SOME discounted lower-spec'd EPYC chips is better than marketing them as consumer cpus only for them to rot on the shelves.

>>102041092
> hello human from 2016
I'm human from 2024. OnePlus 6T had serious burning in 2.5 years, OnePlus 9 pro had slight burn in 3 years.

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Is there any date on when that Windows patch is dropping to fix that AMD CPU branch predictor stuff?

>>102040613
>isn't jewvidea supposed to just work?
yes which is why when nvidia fucks up we demand other parties fix the issue. The entire "drama" around DP2.1 UHBR80 is to get around Nvidia's poor implementation of DSC.

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>>102037836
>Is there a connector that predates SATA? I found an old HDD but it's not SATA at all.
Me thinking PATA drives weren't THAT long ago...

>>102043060
IDE is still popular!

>>102042958
good they needed to be reminded of those dreadful bulldozer days
funny everytime amd shits the bed i go intel and every time they shit the bed i go amd

>>102042778
I'm really waiting for RDNA5.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>102040613
my 2080ti and 2060 do this sold the 2080ti long ago but it was only 4k 60hz but it would do it on any hdmi or dp fucking pita
intel and amd never did that annoying as fuck shit

>>102041761
>>102042778
>>102043177
dont bother just get the cheapest tech new or used clearance referb u can
dont reward these idiotic companies with your money directly

is it normal for x670e to take 30 seconds to post on reboot

>>102043208
This is cope because unless the seller is literally just swearing off PCs forever, you're just funding the seller's next purchase from these companies.

>>102037836
Firewire?

my htpc laptops starting to shit itself whats a good mitx ht/lounge build i could do with an a770 and this as a basis

https://www.centrecom.com.au/antec-nx200m-rgb-mini-tower-gaming-case?srsltid=AfmBOorNn8s5HrFYuz-DOKvpXZmW2sgczkXkFuAxYOZ39Sq2zEUgwhfN

ill obviously rip those faggot rgbs out and kill them

>>102043372
They're talking about 40 pin Parallel ATA, AKA IDE

>>102043409
a770 is way overkill for htpc. if you must consoom an a770 i would recommend using it in a server to transcode for the tv that way you can use it for more

>>102043485
i cant really think of a use for it rn and the rtx 2060 in the laptop does a really good job
does intel have super resolution support in the works?

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Feel like this is overkill for what it is, but I can't find a motherboard that isn't as AIDS ridden, but equally £120 for it feels like a scam.

Any chance the 5060 will have 12GB Vram or should I take the 3060 pill?

>>102043527
XeSS

>>102042979
and I know people with 20k hours on their OLEDs with zero burn in
you sure oneplus didn't use old oleds same kind that was in psp? I remember those horror pictures with half dead screens, samsung puts amoled in every other phone they produce and don't see any horror stories about them
also don't compare big screens to phones, big screens are cooled well and do not push 1000nits for the heck of it

https://wccftech.com/intel-ready-to-take-second-crack-discrete-gaming-gpus-arc-battlemage-xe2-larger-configs-faster-memory-bigger-caches/

looks like battlemage will be around 7800xt 4070ti level perf

if its well priced like my a770 i dont see why it wont sell alot better, good gpus just chronically underrated they also oc like stink but need more uv controls

>>102043545
lol its the stupidest name ever sounds like sex backwards morbius style

anyway what other uses could it have besides an ai card for sd bullshit?

>>102043177
3 more years.

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>>102043548
I just saw an oled burn in thread on the reddit frontpage of the internet. I think people catch on.

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>>102043587
mmmm yummy imaging how shit 15-16th gen will be!

>>102043610
how the hell doees it even happen? do you stare at start menu for hours?
couldn't see it at first, what phone is it?

>>102043610
I have a galaxy A51 that has slight burn in from clover and Kuroba from years of shitposting in broad daylight.
Actually, made me super comfortable for a desktop OLED considering I'm not nearly going to be pushing the same brightness.

>>102043530
Motherboards have been mega gay purchase for a while. Fucking crazy how some cost 250+

>>102043657
here is my 90% accurate prediction, in two gens intel going to take the crown back, we will get to market parity on datacenter front, dekstop will swing both ways
I actually expect performance parity for most of electronics because of AI involvement, it will find the shortest paths for the chip RnD, brand won't matter at all

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>>102043662
> how the hell doees it even happen? do you stare at start menu for hours?
Most elements of a monitor aren't moving.

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could someone help me with this? I just updated my GPU drivers as well as my Asus Prime Z-790P motherboard BIOS. I'm running a 13600k with a 3070 Ti. Before all this I could run Starfield without a breeze with DLSS on quality and the NVIDIA frame limiter set to 40. Never had issues with CPU temps, usually sat in the 70s. After this updating business there's massive framedrops and temp spikes with the CPU. I enabled the BIOS setting that should help with this, some AI modelled temp regulator thing, but that helped only slightly, as in the spikes aren't as frequent. What is going on here? Any help would be appreciated. Couldn't get this webm small enough so here's a video of it happening
https://streamable.com/8uxzvw

>>102043662
looks like some samsung phone. all normies have burn in on them because they fall asleep with their phone still on social media or some app that prevent the phone from idling and burns in all the UI.

>>102043732
I know where that pic is from and they admit their testing is an unrealistic scenario but it is worst case for oled.

>>102043766
go in bios and hit load optimized default and save and quit and then reactivate xmp.

a lot of the time if you dont clear your cmos when updating bios then the settings get all fucked.

>>102043766
>40fps

>>102037474
why are AMD GPU's recommended in the sticky? yikes

r8 my build + rx 6600, i decided to go with the stock cooler
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/GtxXjH

>>102043900
we have a resident tranny jeet making the threads
pls understand

>>102043847
cheers, I'll try that

Anyone tried the LG 27GS95QE? I know there are better oled options out there but it is just under $500 right now and pretty tempting

>>102043858
perfectly playable

>>102043847
that didn't help unfortunately. Thanks for the reply anyways

>>102038000
they only have 'reasonable' profit margins because no-one wants their bare boned gpus.

>>102044098
you can also try manually deleting the shader cache for your system. sometimes they dont reset when updating drivers and games will spazz out your cpu/gpu trying to load old shaders for incompatible drivers.

What’s the latest news from moores law is dead??

>>102044154
RDNA4 is going back to monolith instead of chiplet
8800XT is going to be RTX 4080 but $499-599

>>102038531
>>102038055
This guys list is fine but you really should consider paying the extra to go back to a 14700k, the extra 2 p cores will give you longevity that you won't get with a 6p core.
Just note you will have to do some tweaking in the bios to undervolt and/or bring the cores to an acceptable temp by doing an all core clock limit.

Is it retarded to buy a used server for being used as PC? Just throw a 7800xt in and call it a day. Thoughts?

>>102043732
everyone knows that test. only a few tvs burned out
recent results show that after 8k hours 100% brightness showing cnn on a last year LG panel nothing happened

>>102044250
need more context.
what cpu or chipset?
price?
where are you getting it?

>>102044250
electrical bill will burn your wallet

>>102037519
this.
>AMDs performance definitely improved, by about 6% average
>AMDs power consumption also dropped to 2/3

>oMg AmD fUCkeD uP
who are these retards complaining

>Intel Bundles Arc GPUs & Core CPUs With Assassins Creed Shadows As Ubisoft Selects Blue Team As The Official Partner
wow, BIG win for Intel.

What kind of gpu would bottleneck a 7600? 7700 is like 130 euros more expensive so i feel like it's not worth getting a higher end one and I don't really have enough money for the x3d

>>102044355
Questionable win considering the drama about the game.

>>102044200
Holy based AMD won

>>102044553
>believing MILD

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>>102044200
>8800XT is going to be RTX 4080 but $499-599
I want to believe but this isn't happening.

>>102044355
nigger game
nigger CPU
nigger GPU
gg

>>102044456
A really old GPU. The 7600 is going to be the bottle neck for most modern GPUs since all your options are either high end (nVidia) or midrange (AMD). There are no more entry level GPUs worth buying.

>>102044584
it sounds believable because they arent using gddr7 or gddr6x or a fat bus. its just l3 cache + 20gbps gddr6 on a 256bit.

>>102044456
a 5600 can drive a 4080 at 99%

>>102044599
Yeah I meant it the other way around sorry, was asking if 7600 is enough for a 7800xt of 4070 super at 1440p

>>102044355
intel's battlemage coming out soon?

>>102044574
We already know AMD is NOT going to be making enthusiast class shit to go head to head with the 5090. So they may as well compete where it hurts Nvidia the most which is mid/upper mid sector. A more power efficient 4080 at half the price would hurt Nvidia.

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>>102044658
Ignore the hilighted CPUs from this chart. This is what happens when you test each CPU with a 4090.
I'd probably not get anything more than a 4070 or 7800XT if I had a 7600X. Heavens forbid you have a 7600 non-X.

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>>102038985
I don't

>>102044346
Gaymurs believe they are the only reason Intel and AMD stay in the cpu business. They are wrong.

>4090
>Snoozefield
>1080p low
uhhhhhh

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>>102044953
we're back to skyrim 720p intel benchmarks

>>102044965
Wasn't it intel that showed off some footage of an F1 game running really good on their igpu (claiming it was a live demo or something) and it turned out to be a video because the vlc toolbar popped up?

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>>102044750
>This is what happens when you test each CPU with a 4090.
bruh. that test was done in low resolution. higher the resolution goes less the game will be bound to cpu and more will it use the gpu. you should have shown 1440 and 4k benches

>>102045022
in 3 years' time, 1440p and 2160p will be like 720p to the 9800xt

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>>102038935
>FSR got way higher detail and shadows, DLSS thins the scene out,
Wrong. If we're being generous, FSR is massively over sharpened. Otherwise it's just garbage

>>102038017
>>102038257
13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs have stability and degradation problems. Definitely update to the latest BIOS and use the Intel baseline profiles (which are not likely to be stock) if you do go with the 13600K.

>>102038345
Absolutely not

so it turns out running amd control panel as admin also improves afmf2 performance since windows is not running it with admin rights by default even though its almost as critical as their whql driver.

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>>102038523
If the GPU is designed for PCIe 4.0 and it has x8 lanes, you can have massive problems, particularly on Radeon

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>>102038682
Radeon is complete garbage for 4K. You'll be stuck using FSR in anything demanding. Waste of money

>>102039784
>You have around $3000 on a PC with monitor
4K OLED
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yCqbfy

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>>102040191
>DLSS IS cutting corners
DLSS is often better than "muh native." Reconstruction is built into modern engines.

>>102040236
You can find good models for MSRP

>>102043550
>looks like battlemage will be around 7800xt 4070ti level perf
If so, needs to be $350 tops
Otherwise not worth it

>>102044154
>latest news
Don't you mean clickbait lies?

>>102044456
>What kind of gpu would bottleneck a 7600?
Not really the right question. The better question is which GPU the 7600 would bottleneck. You can run up to a 4070 Ti Super at 1440p or a 4070 at 1080p with a 7600.

Shalom

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>>102045488
>RDR2
>Native
Fuck off, even FSR looks better than Native TAA smearing.

>>102038935
>FSR got way higher detail and shadows

Not seeing that. DLSS has clearly superior detail. Look at the vegetation to the left of the monkey in that example image between 4K DLSS and FSR performance, the latter is way more pixelated and lacking in detail. FSR has definitely improved though

Fucking mental to me that ever since I came to /g/ after my last build which was done a decade ago, this nigga is still posting for entire year the same screenshots, same images with mspaint text, same schizo copy paste rants arguing with ghosts, like some bot on reddit forum that instantly replies to your after a keyword. How long has he been at it? Why aren't janitors just cleaning this spam

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>>102043828
> I know where that pic is from and they admit their testing is an unrealistic scenario but it is worst case for oled.
You always have status bar. Always.
There's plenty of other static elements.

>>102044288
Phones still burn in.


> Yes I have Huawei router that stands on my desk.

Stop mass replying with the same shill talking points

>>102045582
>You always have status bar. Always.
Yes but most people don't play with 100% brightness and never turn the screen off.

>>102045412
Not everyone lives in the USA near the microcenter, many live in Europe with 20% VAT.

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>>102045559
With the latest version of DLSS, DLSS is definitely better than TAA. All of those games in the chart were tested with the stock DLSS DLL

>>102045610
This thread isn't for third worlders. They're only tolerated if they apologize for not being born in the USA and of course posting their region. Otherwise you're assumed to be in the USA

>>102045573
i just think its funny that he's still posting shit like dlss2 and fsr2 & fsr1. we're already on fsr 3.1 and dlss 3. he needs to update his marketing material or jannies here needs to image filter it and ban him if he tries to bypass it.

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>>102045632
>fsr 3.1
Not substantially better than FSR 2

looking to add a second monitor to my desk. My primary monitor is a 16:10, 2560x1600 24" monitor. I have two spare monitors, one will be given to my parents and I will use the remaining one as a secondary display.
They are:
22" 1080p 75hz Dell Ultrasharp
19" 1280x1024 75hz Dell Ultrasharp

If I use the 22" 1080p, it will be in portrait. If I use the 19" 1280x1024 it will be landscape.

Thank you

Are seagate hdd really shit?
Cause I can buy one for 120 or so euro for 6 TB, while all other brands offer 4TB.
The "Western Digital Purple 3.5 4TB SATA3" is like 100 euro for 4TB, would this HDD last longer?

Okay, on the off chance there are any who are particularly knowledgeable about Zen4 OCing via PBO CO negative offsets on a 7950X3D, I've been trying to get something stable for fucking WEEKS now and have it survive the AIDA64 SHA3 Benchmark without instantly resetting (and probably requiring a BIOS reset to get out of the non-booting loop). I can either drop everything to under -5 all core, which is hardly anything, but -6 all core means it fucking crashes. So yeah, trying to figure out if its one core or something else.

Note it seems tobe JUST this test. Almost all the others, including CoreCycler (with Prime95 and then YCruncher at different settings), YCruncher independently all core, OCCT Extreme etc.. can all successfully run for hours and/or complete their specified loops, but AIDA64's SHA3 basically tanks the damn thing. I'd love to figure out which core is having the problem and then tone it down per core but shit, it doesn't seem to be easy. If there's some other stress stesting program that should should approximate the AIDA64 SHA3's load then I'd be curious. Otherwise I'm thinking of just giving up on my -6 through -25 per core CO offsets that otherwise seem to work, which would be frustrating when you're an oldfag who used to manually set IRQ assignments and more recently could get a 1GHz Turbo per core, all core, back in the X99 days. Still, shit has changed clearly.

>>102038000
>>>Reasonable profit margins for GPUs so 3rd parties can make money
But what If I hate AIBs with every fiber of my being?

>>102045688
Go with the 1080p portrait display.

Since when did it cost almost 4k to build a high end PC if you live in germany? That includes my monitor which cost 300 euro.

>>102045863
>>102045629
> This thread isn't for third worlders. They're only tolerated if they apologize for not being born in the USA and of course posting their region. Otherwise you're assumed to be in the USA

>>102045863
>Since when did it cost almost 4k to build a high end PC if you live in germany?
'bout 1997

>>102045863
Because roughly €2,000 of that is going to the RTX 4090 kek.

>>102045863
Why do you think its called 4k gaming?

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I'm building a new pc and want to try to use my brother older case MATREXX 50 picrel.
It has glass front and two air intake openings on each side with 3 fans and 1 exhaust fan on back. I'm thinking about mounting AIO radiator on top with two extra exhaust fans, and I wonder if this would be enough for "good" cooling.

>>102045863
Since 2021 when redditors from r/pcmasterrace bought $1000 3070s during the crypto mining market to get upvotes

>>102046060
Put an optical drive in it.
This is a threat.

>>102045990
The cpu is too shit to run anything in 4k. The gpu is fine though. 14th gen i9 are so shit.

>>102045649
>compressed vp8 youtube video of some random shitty water on both gpus
wow

>>102045720
>Are seagate hdd really shit?
If you are using it just to hoard your unforgivable porn? No. If you are going to be doing TBW's per week or some shit look elsewhere.

>>102045863
Built mine in aus for less than 1500usd but it took alot of haggling new used parts as well and reusing old monitors
Good luck maybe u have bauhn prism+ or other brands over there I can recommend xiaomies MI curved 34

>>102045903
>germany
My mistake

Is there any cpu out there that can keep up with an rtx 4090 and which doesn't cost 1k or more?

>>102046204
They most all keep up
Unless for some reason you must play at 1080p

>>102046204
>I need hecking 400 FPS in 720p to play my single player walking simulators!!!

What is the deal with this attitude? Is it zoomers transferring their Fortnite derived esport tendencies to all games because an eceleb talked about high FPS being important?

>>102046248
People are deluded that they can somehow defeat bottlenecks

all these anons complaining about dlss and fsr differing in 2 pixels
i just want more fps, man

>>102044200
>$499-599
I wish, it will most likely be around $700, meaning in EU it will be €850

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Is MSI good for you?

>>102046265
People are deluded about bottlenecks existing
I bet my 2700k could run Baldurs Gate 3 on Ultra with 4090 and the difference between it and 14900k would be like 30fps

>>102039784
I'd go OLED if not for burn in, I want shit to last

>>102046301
They all look like underperforming company workers that have been sissified as punishment by big dick ceo's

>>102046344
We got like three different generations of olden in this year alone, I reckon before you would get the first dead pixel or burn in there would be already like 7 more generations released

>>102046204
Saw 7800X3D/4090 benchmarks and the CPU only made a difference at 1080p. Not sure why this is, but I remember it because of how weird it was. Basically an i5 or higher will be enough. i3 seems to not be enough in general these days.
Your PC should be balanced though. It's weird to have a card that expensive and cheap out on a CPU. This shouldn't even be a question, get a 4070 Ti Super and you'll be much happier with more money leftover.

what are the main points or features to compare between nvidia and amd gpus, price aside?

fsr vs dlss
shadowplay vs relive
drivers..? linux?
cuda and maybe AI capabilities

they're more or less the same to me, what else am i missing?

>>102046362
> We got like three different generations of olden in this year alone, I reckon before you would get the first dead pixel or burn in there would be already like 7 more generations released
Who cares about generations? Typical IPS lasts for 10 years. No OLED can do that.

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>>102046464
>they're more or less the sam-

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When will Zen5 X3D CPU specs be released?

>>102045811
that's what I want to do, but I think my parents would like using that one more since it's easier on the eyes due to being less bright.
I'll give them the 1080p for the time being, if they don't like wide screen (they are using a CRT monitor still, which I think is 4:3) I'll give them the 5:4 Dell instead.

>>102046480
If you care about a monitor lasting 10 years then you really don't care about high performance monitors so why care about OLED at all?

>>102046464
they are completely different architectures thus use completely different software. if you actually use both on a daily basis you will pick up on the invidivual quirks of both. like how amd has accurate hw t&l and working mpos while nvidia doesn't but they have better video encoding/decoding while amd doesn't.

>>102046464
you can use fsr on nvidia gpu but you can't use dlss on amd gpu

>>102046494
Who says they're the same? AMD is just good for budget builds to get as much hardware for your money as possible OR for perfect Linux compatibility, but pay for cheap shit, get cheap shit. That's why no one recommends a 4060.

>>102046571
My "Korean IPS" (actually VA) has sub 10ms input lag, runs at 96Hz, is 2560x1440, and was $300 new 10 years ago.
It also has darker blacks and a higher contrast ratio than the $350 1440p 144Hz gayming IPS monitor I just bought.

I'm still waiting for those god damn strix apus to come to desktop.

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>>102046101
Even through the compression you can see how bad FSR is and how much better DLSS is

>>102046720
>>102046571
and furthermore, it doesnt have a scaler, and thats a good thing.
it doesnt have a menu with a bunch of post-processing BS.
It turns on immediately, unlike the new monitor that takes like 10 seconds.

So yah, my 10 year old monitor performs great

>>102046807
>>102046807
>>102046807

>>102046204
As of rn? Nothing not even high end
Probably the last flagship we will see on the consumer side for a while that's not cut down shit
It's a 4k-8k GPU anything under 1440p is a waste unless you absolutely have to have gaytracing on

>>102046735
phoenix took like a year don't expect strix soon

>nooooo don't buy the CPU cooler you want!
> if you get a top of the line i7 and overclock it that I can only keep it at 85°!
> instead get this incredibly ugly and Loud thing that can keep it to 82°!
>No I don't care that you're cooling a ryzen 3600 with no overclocking

>>102046480
>Who cares about generations? Typical IPS lasts for 10 years. No OLED can do that.
A 10 yo TOTL IPS is worse than a 250$ modern display. An "average" display from 2014 is a 1080p 60hz TN, which is trash-tier even for office use these days.

Source: https://gamersnexus.net/guides/1717-best-gaming-monitors-buyers-guide-2014

>>102046735
me too.
im so sick of this trend of 300W CPUs and quadruple slot GPUs.
I want to build a small, slim, simple, low power computer with decent gaming ability.

>>102046855
my 10 year old 1440p VA 96Hz is better than current IPS cuz IPS is garbage

>>102046890
>>102046890
You can
You can do that right now. mATX has so many options

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I suddenly want to build a new pc

>>102046783
jaggies (fsr) vs blur (dlss)

>>102046941
>my 10 year old 1440p VA 96Hz is better than current IPS
>Source: my coping ass

>>102039784
7800X3D + 4080

>>102046955
>intel
kek

Wait do Koreans think Intel is better?

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>My PCIe x16 GPU is the one that gets its airflow mostly blocked by the PCIe x4 GPU

goddammit
gotta buy a new mobo

>>102048318
Have you actually tried it and seen the temps?

>>102048353
The temps are definitely higher for the x16 GPU at the same loads. Thinking of the data transfer caps as well.

>>102048318
Why do you have two GPUs

>>102048490
For stable diffusion and language model stuff. I love it

What GPU do I buy if I want to upgrade my 1070?It will go in my living room mITX build for mostly 1080p gaming. CPU is a 5600x. Only have room for a 2 slot card due to mITX.

>>102048861
there are small dual slot dual fan 4070 and 4070 supers (pny verto, msi ventus 2x, gainward ghost and the like)
asus dual 7700xt is also rather small