>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE.Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/Provide specific use cases.State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped.Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC>CPUWeb browsing: 12100, 5600GGaming: 12400F, 7600, 7800X3DWorkstation: 12700K, 7900X, 7950XWARNING 13th/14th gen owners: Update your bios for the latest 0x129 microcode to prevent degradation>COOLERAIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge/Arctic Liquid Freezer IIIDouble towers: ID-Cooling FROZN A620 PRO SE, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SEITX/>42mm RAM: Scythe Fuma 3/TR AXP120-X67>MOTHERBOARDAM5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57X2FygcqLE>RAMDDR4: 2x16GB 3200CL16. Budget, 2x8GBDDR5: 2x16GB 6000CL30Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x48GB>SSD (OS drive)Low mid end: SN770Premium: SN850X, P41Flagship: Sabrent Rocket 5>GPU1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT, RX 6750 XT1440p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7800 XT, RX 7900 GRE4K: RTX 4090, RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900XTXWorkstation: RTX 4000 Series>CASE (from $ to $$$)mATX: Montech Air 100, Lian Li A3, Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li O11 Air MiniATX: Phanteks XT PRO(ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Antec C5, Lian Li Lancool 216/IIIAVOID: 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, 4000D airflow>PSUBudget: Gold rated 500-600W PSUMid range: ATX 3.0 compliant fully modular gold rated PSU @ 75% max loadHigh end: Seasonic PRIME TXAVOID: GAMEMAXPSU buying guide:https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/ (updated Q3 2024)>MONITORStandout:1080p: MSI G244F E21440p: ASRock PG27QFT2A, Dell G2724D2160p: Gigabyte M27/28/32Uhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/tBTGQP>OSActivate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt>CASE FANSMeta: Case with good stock PWM fansBudget: Arctic P12/P14 Max (5-pack)High end: Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM, NF-A14x25r G2 PWMPrevious >>102119759
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Is there any AM5 motherboards out there that aren't cucked? 7 segment displays cost chump change to put on but the vast majority of the motherboards don't have them.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LNLpt7Any ideas on this? Where to cheap out on storage? I've had good stability with samsung always but the other stuff is identical.. besides these games and a lot similar I need to do UE5 dev and davinci resolve.. I really want to dump windows for linux mint and I really dont want to have to use windows 11/10 if I don't have to3090 or whatever I find on ebay the rest is what I'm concerned about, especially what I can do with OSRight now I'm on windows 10 on an i7 3770k and a 1070 tiMicrosoft is so fucking gay
>>102124640b650e taichi lite
>Web browsing: 12100, 5600G
>>102124680HWABAG
>>102124680web devs are really something
I'm looking for a case for a white build. I'd like one with many transparant panels and a compact form factor. Something like this but smaller, not planning to install a 4090 sized gpu. Any suggestions?
>>102124499OK, againwhy should I avoid the 4000D Airflow
>>102124718for your own safety
>>102124718It's not bad per se but there are better cases on the market at a similar price point nowadays. Cases like the 903 Base in the OP that come with an extra fan or two, can take 360mm AIOs at the top, and the like
>>102124754I'm asking because I could buy a prebuilt that would cost me 100$ less than the sum of its parts and it has a 4000D. Is it worth it to spend the extra to get something like the Lian Li 216?
>>102124680>>102124701chrome has been getting more hw accelerated each year. i noticed my gpu has been getting more workout than cpu lately. i can hear my gpu coil whine when i scroll some demanding pages.
>>102124706There is a mini version
>>102124499how is intel ever going to recover?
>>102124718>no usb4 header>only 4 drive slots>no 200mm slots>power button is on the top instead of the front (fine if you're a filthy floor pc user)
>>102124649Please guys I'm still waiting for a reply there's so many drives to choose from -_-
>>102124868Hire more IndiansThey're well educated and cheap
>>102124649>I need to do UE5 devlol why? ue5 games are trash. its also shit compared to blender for cgi.
Best motherboard for i3-12100?
>>102125005ASUS Prime H610M-E D4
>>102124931Pick the one with your favorite controller and nand in your price range
>>102124856Yeah saw that one, its nice but I wish they put in entirely transparant panels instead without the metal edges
>>102124868when they get their fabs up in their (israeli) vassal state of usa then they can throw taiwan under the bus and sabotage tsmc with scorched earth on the way out
>>102124856>Take promotional photos for your white case>Put in a black gpu
>>102124499>GPU>arranged as if vram = performanceOP has the lowest of IQs
why did corsair stop making ML120? was it too good?
>>102125128nvidia paid millions to sponsor black wukong btw
>>102124499What is the best PC I can get for $800-900 max? I already have an SSD I can transfer, and 16GB of RAM in my current build, but the RAM is cheap. I don’t really care if it’s NVIDIA or AMD. I assume AMD would be better for my price range. Oh, and also I’m using a 165hz 1080p monitor so anything that can achieve higher FPS in most modern games I’ll be happy with.[USA]
>>102125174poorfagmaxxing: 5800x3d/12th gen intel+b550/intel equivalent+7800xt or 4070
>>102125095symbolism
>>102125174what is your current build
>>102125202>poorfag>5800x3d>current gen gpulol
>>102125095alright better example
So what's wrong with an expensive case if you plan to use it for many builds?Do most people just get rid of an entire PC when upgrading?
What's the point of building a PC when it only costs a tiny bit more to get it pre-built??? You're literally wasting hours of your life on some autistic ritual lol
>>102125242if it's the same case its the same computer even if you change every single component inside
>>102125219its pretty much the average prebuilt right now.5800x/5800x3d/7600 which are all on par and they slap in a current gen gpu
>>102124706SAMA 2851
>>102125242nothing, i used the same case for like 15 years until i needed a modern one that fit my gpu without drilling out the riveted drive cage and better airflow
>>102125260The case isn't the computer tho. It just houses the pc.
>>102125128Yes and he’s right
>>102125262poorfags dont buy prebuilts, or if they do then they get ripped off and get something like 4+ gens behind and worth half as much as they paid (even if they didnt pay much to begin with)
>>102125228sweet
>>102125141Drones think schizoposting will save themIt won't, just like VRAM won't
>>102125095what do you think about this (the exterior is all white)i kind of want to paint the white panels dark blue desu, but then i will also have to paint that white bar and use tape to keep the logo intact idk
>>102125212CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4790 CPU @ 3.60GHzGPU 0 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GBMemory 16.0 GB DDR3
man, i love white builds. so clean lookingi just hate blacks so much
>>102125393this can run elden ring at 1080 60 fps low-mediumwhat more do you need?
>>102125311>fake youtube benchmarksGet a real source anon.
>>102125311>hogwarts with framegen and rtAh yes, the one outlier example you can fine. Radeon doesn't even have Frame Gen in Hogwarts. Any way you slice it, even a midrange Geforce card is better than Radeon's bestSo you can't even get feature parity (even if 'parity' for Radeon means same name but lower quality)Let's look at how well Radeon can RT in HogwartsAnyone who wants a foretelling of how this debate will go can look here >>102067048 to see how I'm going to beat his ass again
>>102125393Nice
>>102125448You can find 0 for 16 or 24GB at 1440p in those games,you lost
>>102125503>AMDunboxed has results nobody else can reproduce
What the fuck happened with Intel CPUs btw?Unironically a PC pleb who just dropped $3k for a 4090 + 7800x3d and got trolled for my mobo choice because of voltage only to hear (in a youtube video, won't disclose which as I will be trolled) that intel CPUs imploded or some shit.Is my 7800x3d even more based than when I first bought it a year ago?
>>102125503I'll admit AMD Steve is a genius at finding the best case for RadeonBut his benchmarks don't agree with others
>>102125515>schizo mode activated Based
>>102125242I still have my FT02 but I wish I didn't. It's big, heavy, and inconvenient to work around, the cable management space in the back is too narrow and bows out a around fat cables, it's not provisioned for radiators, and not all modern graphics cards will fit.You can point out that it belongs to an earlier era of computing and whatever case you're looking at won't have those problems, but that's exactly my point. At some point in the next 15 years things will change and you won't be happy with your expensive case anymore.
>>102125529Not only loses in average FPS, but completely dies in 1%, this is what happens to you when your VRAM overflows
>>102125526what the fuck does your mobo choice have to do with voltagepretty much all am5 agesas were capable exploding when zen4 first launched
>>102122063Flashing bios resolve no post problem
>>102124856>>102125095case rape
Looking to do a bit of a partial upgradeMy current build is a 5900x with a a 6600XT and 32GB of RAM. Not bad by any means but I figured I could get some upgrade now that I can afford more. Is AM5 worth jumping into right now? I was going to perhaps upgrade my GPU but I feel that CPU may not be sufficient.
>>102125503>>102125529Additionally, once the Geforce cards flip on DLSS (which is better than nativeTM) in Hogwarts a pic related shows, you'll get performance rankings like pic related even WITHOUT Radeon being crippled by its bad RT performanceRT + DLSS and the 7900 XTX probably can't even keep up with a 3060 Ti, a $250 card on the used market. Imagine what happens if Gefroce cards use Frame Gen on top of all that. A literal bloodbath for the $1000 top Radeon card
>>102125697no. if you must consooooooom, then upgrade your gpu.5900x can drive anything on the market rn just fine
>>102125708>you'll get performance rankings like pic related even WITHOUT Radeon being crippled by its bad RTWrong image, here's the right one
>>102125557>You can point out that it belongs to an earlier era of computingIt's also an awkward designIf you bought something like a mountain mods case 20 years ago it would very much still hold up today
>>102125735So I'm fine with a 4070 Ti Super? I almost hesitated because I didn't know if there'd be some bottleneck. Didn't check the power usage though, maybe it's time to upgrade my PSU as well.
>>102125708>>102125740>>102125579Kek, he lost the case and startedthe DLSS copium phase
>>102125799Not my problem that Radeon has to pay the NATIVE TAX(TM) and still can't get as good image quality as GeforceThat's a (You) problem
>>102125772what psu? 750w is more than enough, though you might want to get a proper 12vhwpr cable for it if thats what 4070ti uses
>>102125821Please go away, TAA has its use cases it's only gay when it's the only option or done under the hoodI don't even know why you consider starfield a real game
>>102125821>TAAWay worse than the real bative
i missed a deal on a ryzen 7800X3D and decent motherboard/DDR5 RAM set, so i'm gonna be on my i5 10600K for a bit, so i decided to upgrade the motherboard. found a Z490 ASUS ROG Strix board for less than half MSRP at launch. i can't really find anything else better at this approximate price range, and i'm frankly shocked how many high end LGA 1200 are still going for $300+ 4 years later.
>>102125835Yeah, mine is a Riotoro Enigma G2 650W PSU, kind of dated now. I'm hoping to find a decent enough PSU at around 100€.
>>102125853why the fuck would you spend so much on a sidegrade?
>>102124774>prebuiltsFucking hate you fucks so much. I'd rather get the worst console wars of Intel vs AMD, lazy fucks wanting guidance to their first build step by step or any hardware/software-related question that can answered by Googling in >1 minute, or even better, in the OP, than fags talking about prebuilts. No, they're not worth it in 99.9% cases. Someone that knows how to use 4chan and stumbled their way into this place is more than capable of building their PC by themselves with a little patience and attention, using nothing more than a 5$ screwdriver (and some components even come with some sort of screwing tool included, if you somehow don't have one) and their hands. This is why it's called /pcbg/ - PC FUCKING BUILDING GENERAL.
>>102125874i heard the i5 10th gen can get some decent overclock gains. i'm not rich but $185 isn't a big a deal for me if i'm going to be using this thing for at least 2 more years, maybe pass it down to my brother.
>>102125853Braindead anon.
How would you upgrade this setup?https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/vGvJCLI built it just before covid so its lasted me about 4/5 years.I just want a bigger PC case, dual chambered so i dont have to deal with cable managerment and possibly put in a better GPU, I dont need to game in 4K and happy with most games at low if needed.
>>102126051/g/ is overrun with itoddlers shills and the rest are wagies scared their 4chan posts might lose their rinky dink 100k salary so they just post frogs and one word answers and how gay they are
is it worth to upgrade my i5 12400 to a 14400?
>>102125839>when it's the only optionIt (or temporal techniques in general) are the only options in modern games>There is no option for "no upscaling,"https://www.techpowerup.com/review/senuas-saga-hellblade-2-benchmark/3.html>>102125843>real native>while posting taaI love how this retard tries to pretend "real" native is best when 1) it's not available and 2) it's garbage. He likes to pretend because he loses every DLSS debate and can't cope otherwise, as DLSS is better than or equivalent to TAA more often than not. He has to pay the NATIVE TAX so he pretends like it's better
>>102126247No
Reminder that the only real AA is SSAA and you can still force it in drivers for any game because the software doesn't need to be aware of it.
>>102125853>>102126052> i missed a deal on a ryzen 7800X3D and decent motherboard/DDR5 RAM set, so i'm gonna upgrade my LGA 1200 mobo and use 10600k for at least 2 more yearsStrange reaction. Just wait for another deal.
>>102126420wrong. the only real AA is 200% renderscale
So what exactly is the difference between RAM running 6000/c30 and 6400/c32 that the former is more preferred?
>>102126477How do you think SSAA works?
>>102126292>vram gone>rt gone>uhhh, I can make my image quality worseBased
>>102126483it's luck of the draw whether your cpu is stable at 2133 ifif it is you can just oc the 6000 ram to 6400
>>102126508Even in that still, you can see how jaggie and unstable the native image will beTrue native = garbage, everyone knows this. That's why antialiasing has been existed for decades. Unfortunately for you, modern games mostly require TAA. All Unreal Engine 5 games using the modern feature set like Lumen certainly will. And in fact they'll go further than that, they'll require reconstruction.
should i buy a B650E motheboard now or should i wait for the 870E or B850 motherboards?
>>102124499I’ve discovered I need a proper pc again, I downsized my pc stuff a lot but now have a use where my choice of lower end hardware is a limitation.So I’m oriented towards thishttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/RPbdshA 9700x, any board that will support it though I am preferable to gigabyte, a fuckload of ram and a 360mm aio.I already have a case and decent psu and a 1tb nvme ssd. The aio is just for the sake of>my case supports it>a decent air cooler costs about the same anywayNeed a fuckload of ram, and single core performance, hence the 9700x and not anything more substantial. The jump in single core between the 9600x and 9700x is worth it to me, and I’ll probably OC a little at some point.GPU is going to be whatever has the most vram and performs at least better than the rtx 3050, I don’t need much there, but 16gb of vram at minimum. Though AI nerds have made that a challenge to find for not a bajillion dollars, leaning towards a 7900xt or maybe even an old Quadro or Titan.Let me know what you think, goals are single core performance and pools to dump ram related resources into, quantity over quality even, though good cl30 6400mhz ddr5 isn’t that expensive.
What are the best ways to discharge a PC before working on it? I usually press the power button a few times after unplugging the power. What about shorting the prongs on the power supply inlet with a screwdriver? I read that somewhere. Sounds like a bad idea though.
>Half the brand new thread is already shitted up by the benchmark shitposter schizo
>>102126422my friend was offering up that whole set for $300 because he's doing a new build, but before i could get back to him one of his other friends gave him $400 in cash same day. i'm not getting another deal like that any time soon mang, and i'm pretty sure my current hd470 budget board is showing some performance issues i think.
>>102126485SSAA is almost never integer scaled and still uses sampling tricks (cheating) to produce a 'better' image
>>102126658Hot unplug it while it’s running, that’ll completely drain anything in there because it goes from load to zero input power.Though just holding the power switch or spam pressing it also works fine. If you want to be doubly sure and it’s easy to do so (it’s not always easy to do so), disconnect the 24 pin and the board itself will lose power passively over just a few seconds. The standby power is mostly sitting in the psu
>amd announced zen 5>got myself a zen 3 laptop only a couple months agoWELL SHIT
>>102126826>laptop
>>102126832It's computer parts related.
Why shouldn’t I buy this?
>>102126848Good luck building a laptop
>>102126878You must be one of those who tell everyone to only use voice chat for teamplay in an online game.
>>102126908mumble actually
>>102126876>buying gaming laptops, everNGMI
hello computer autists suggest me good build components for this mobohttps://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/H110M-DVS%20R3.0/demands:low power cpumax ramfully passive cooled (if possible)some small case that can fit cdrombest build suggestion wins a free desuthis mobo cause https://doc.coreboot.org/mainboard/asrock/h110m-dvs.html
>>102126876you can build a tower with a 4090 for 200 dollars more.
i want to upgrade my 5 3600 cpu is there a much difference between 5600 and 5800x3d? i dont know why but x3d is 5x the price of 5600 where i live, should i even bother? is 3600 to 5600 is even worth it?
>>102127006get the 5700x3d. It's 5% slower, but certainly more than 5% cheaper
Reminder to install the latest Windows 11 patch (22631.4112) to enjoy higher performance and lower cpu usage pic rel. Even a Ryzen 5 3600 is faster than any shintel i9.
>>102127029hmm it really looks like the better option but its 2x the price of 5600 but i think its worth, what do you think?
>>102127050>vishal selvarajkek, have a (you), based shitposter
>>102126600The first one isn’t still, here’s your stillThe issue with your statement is that it even fails at basic AA stuff, by simply blurring the image and losing a ton of image quality in return, it’s only ok for undersampled stuff, while being worse in everything else compared to native. This is true for DLSS/DLAA/FSR and every other temporal technology atm, it’s just you’re comparing temporal trash to another temporal trash and even in such cases TAA still manages to win.
>>102127112Well, you're on a ryzen 5 3600. That's not a bad cpu. Upgrading to a 5600 isn't a real 'wow fuck now it flies' upgrade. What's your gpu? You might not even notice it in gaming
>>102127263my gpu is 2060, i play cpu heavy games like tarkov sometimes but do you think it would help in other games too? or should i just keep saving more money and get a complete new pc?
>>102127183It's a still. Compare AA Disabled >>102126600with TAA enabled (webm related)Radeonfags will pay the native tax and pretend like it's a good thing. On average, Geforce users get 30% extra performance at full resolution image quality through DLSS. You can't win the TAA vs DLSS argument, so you're forced to pretend that you don't use TAA, which you do
any recommendations for a 2.5gb switch? I need to connect 4 pc's together for file transferring
>>102127326Hm. I'm not sure. Are you still on 1080p? In that case, a ryzen 5 3600 and rtx 2060 isn't a bad combo. So if I were you I would start saving for a new pc and in the meantime enjoy the setup you have now.
>>102126658I'm paranoid so I flip the PSU switch, unplug it, press the power button and then spam for several seconds each. What >>102126762 >>102126762said should also work well, especially unplugging the 24 pin.
Ok fuckers, I have a question for the AMD experts. I thought I was familiar with just about every Ryzen processor. However, I just came across picrel on fleabay I didn't know existed. Everything looks identical to a regular 2700 (non-x), so wtf is the difference?
>>102127426yeah im on 1080p and i think youre right its not really worth to spend extra money for a little more FPS, ill be saving my money and buy a new rig thank you for answering my questions man, i really appreciate it
>>102127460Supports some more enterprise focused features (assuming the mobo supports them as well). There is the same distinction for some more recent threadrippers.
Is it worth fucking around with the curve optimizer on a zen 3 CPU (non X3D)?I've seen people having stability issues months later even after having done some extensive testing.
>>102127655Only if you enjoy the tuning itself.
>>102127006>>102127326>i play cpu heavy games like tarkov sometimesStraight to a 5700X3D, just keep looking for one until you can find a good price. Look into importing. A 5600 isn't worth the upgrade over a 3600>>102126987>fully passivei7 7700T>>102126247No. For gaming the 14400 is almost no better, and in multicore it's barely better>>1021261905700X3D + 4070 Super
rtx 5000s are never coming outrdna 4 will arrive too late to even be worth tryingis waiting the only option?
>>102127757>is waiting the only option?Depends. What do you have now?
>>102127757>rtx 5000s are never coming outEarly 2025 for the 5090 I think? It's almost september. Time flies
>>1021277834690k and no gpu, i thought i'd either get a random cheap used gpu or do a completely new build
I unironically regret not buying the RGB versions of my case and especially CPU cooler because with my setup shit is so fucking dark, I have to use my phone's flashlight ro see inside. I realized it's useful to see how the fans are spinning, dust accumulation, if something is getting loose, etc. Only my GPU has RGB.
>too stupid to build PC myself>no knowledgeable friends to helpTempted to just buy a PC from BuildPro
>>102127344Even in your poorly metched comparisons we can observe exactly what I said- TAA is indeed loosing details of Native, even with your 12GB of VRAM and blurry textures we can see that native has 4 dots, while TAA simply blurred it, so yeah, TAA is worse than native, but better than upscaling
>>102127872Why are you retarded?
>>102127872get the starforgehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI_SN7cpTas
Which do i buy? All sold by amazon
>>1021279817900X3D is shitehonestly if it is not much for you the 7950x3d for that price is good
>>102127981If you're just gaming then the 7800X3D generally performs the best. Don't buy any of them if the $50 bump will break your budget - these aren't for poorfag builds.If you're running a hybrid gaming/workstation then buy the R9 that'll break even faster. In that scenario the ±5% gaming perf matters less than your bottom line.
>>1021279817800 if you only game and dont want to deal with dual ccd7950 otherwise, extra $35 for double the cores
>>102127981>tfw I got my 7800x3D for $345 last December
>>102127915Fuck off, baldy.
>>102127843>4690kHad to look that one up, 12 years old already. If cash is an issue, why not look for a complete pc 2nd hand say, 3-5 years old. Compared to what you have it would be quite an upgrade
>>102127623Is one worth $50 USD in good working order? Because if so, I'm about to buy a lot of 215pcs for $7k to flip.
>>102128306Eh, the issue is supporting mobos are rare and chucking it in any old AM4 board means you just have a 2700.
https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/27/24229443/microsoft-windows-11-update-24h2-ryzen-cpu-performance-improvementHeard a new update dropped for Win11 that significantly increases performance for AMD.Thoughts? I'm already getting over 90fps+ in Star Citizen with Vulkan so I wonder how a windows update would improve it even further..
>>102128279yep i built this in 2015, cash is not an issue, it's more of a dilemma as i seem to spend more time browsing than gaming these daysstill i would need an upgrade to run the games i want to play and it doesn't have to be an absolute high-end pci'm not convinced by the current gpu models, but even if i decided to buy now, i'd be buying a gpu that is a year old already, might as well see if rx8800 will be a thing or if 5070 will be affordable and with enough vramyour suggestion to buy second hand is a good idea, but i think i might as well buy everything new at that point since i'd probably keep it for another decade or so
>>102127882>your pic relatedThe straws have been grasped. You really have no argumentAlmost feels bad shitting on you every time we have this argument
Low profile cards capable of 1440p 60?
>>102128503taa makes me motion sick>>102128520w7800
>>102128550Looks like a normal thick cardIm looking for one that will only take up one back plate
>>102128577it's a joke, it's a low profile card ie rare
>>102128101>>102128133>>102128186bought the 7950x3djust waiting for the b650e taichi lite to not be out of stock
How is it some PCs take a minute or so to shut down and others seconds? What holds that sort of thing up?
>>102128880on windows it tells all services to save their work and quit when you shut down. one of those services may be taking extra long or trying to upload to some server that is lagging.
i noticed the monitor recommendation lists the Alienware AW3225QF, which is a good choice i was looking at, but why doesn’t it list the MSI MPG 321URX too? was looking at that as well but since they use the same panel they’re barely any different, the msi one isn’t curved too which is a little preferable but i’ve used a curved monitor in the past and used it fine so it’s not a deal breaker just curious if there’s a side to it I’m not aware of that puts the alienware above the msi to be recommended in the op
>>102129085OP is retardedThe only thing the Alienware has over the MSI is DolbyVision support
>>102128503t's funny that you lost even by providing a texture of terrible quality, but even with this texture it was easy to find places with noticeable quality degradation relative to native res. Regarding your webm, bottom right corner, the roof of the red car shows much more detail. Do you realize that even in your examples native has more detail than TAA, KEK?
>>102128958Question is, is there a way to figure out which services are taking so long? Because I don't think, for example, Windows Performance Toolkit does
On a 7950X3D on a X670E chipset board (high end variants, like a Crosshair Hero or Extreme), does anyone know if Load Line Calibration/LLC effects the stability of Curve Optimizer negative offsets? Particularly when it comes to tests like AIDA64 SHA3? Also, is there any way to tell that, if you have LLC set to "auto" in BIOS which of the 8 levels its using at a given time? I'm having a bitch of a time trying to get curve optimizer offsets stable when it comes to the SHA3 test from AIDA64. Everything else seems to work fine with between -6 and -25, but for SHA3 unless I fucking drop all cores to -3 or so, its likely to crash if run more than once in a row. I wonder if changing LLC will prevent Vdroop if its the possible issue of SHA3 test specifically crashing.
>>102124499>1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XTlol wut? i feel like /pcbg/ is baked by corporate plants lmao. reddit's pc building thread is unironically less cucked than /g/ these days. fuck off, opie. kys
>>102129120>what is encodingOne of my favorite things about AMDrones is that they can't figure out why things are the way they areHonestly I don't feel the need to continue to prove you wrong
>>102128009Huh, why? I am switching from Intel to AMD and the 7900X3D was what i was going to go with.
>>102129211first, stupid game, bad example.but taa literally makes me dizzy.
im going to buy intel 15th gen oct 17th and there's nothing anybody can do to stop me
>>102129151no but if you want windows to shut down immediately press CTRL+ALT+DEL, then Ctrl-click the power button in the bottom right. that will admin kill everything without saving and shut down instantly.
AI is just an excuse to increase the price by a huge margin
>>102129248ty for rehoming ewaste
>>102128366Figured as much. Even at $40 each I'd still make a profit. Would probably have to deal with retards disputing though because it says "Pro" and they don't see any difference. Not worth the trouble in the end. Thanks fren.
>>102129245>bad exampleIt's a typical Unreal Engine example.DLSS (huge perf and image quality boost) > TAA >>>> NativeSorry about your somatoform disorder, anon. Perhaps you'll be able to get over it at some point
>>102129197most of the time it is baked by an nvidia shill, but I assume the reason why what's in the 1080p section is because those are 12gb cards but if that's the case where's the 3060 12gb and 7600XT 16gb.
>>102129330>quality boostit looks like trash from the start.does that pipe have triangles?
>>102129386>most of the time it is baked by an nvidia shillYou're retarded: most of the time it's baked by an AMDrone, aka this VRAMemer OP as all AMDrones are
>>102129417can cnn, and msnbc be trusted to pretty much tell the truth?
You know rt and taa are trash when screenshots look less real to people with it off. for you and me, jaggies are a dead giveaway, but for normies it looks like an oversharpened image.
Is the i5 considered entry-level or mid-range these days?
>>102129211> >what is encodingFor some reason encoding improves with native, huh > I don't feel the need to continueI understand that you subconsciously understood that you already lost, even in this video the dot is still missing, even your example show how much TAA is worse than native
>>102129330how is dlss an image quality boost? its fucking upscaling lmao, it's a nerf
>>102129211>>102129465Oops, here’s the pic
and the reasons for rt sucking are so numerous.One is that it doesn't handle color correctly. there is a wutang clan area where the hair pigman you play as is at a checkpoint type area.it has red flames.but, white light (and sunlight is mostly white in mid day), contains rgb, so the red flames shouldn't splash. The level of brightness needed to overcome the sun would be blinding, you couldn't look at the torches.
>>102129487undersampled assets are getting "fixed" with taa smear
>>102129465dude I just found out about this. I just did a marathon gaming sesh with taa off.previously I thought all modern games made me dizzy. Didn't know taa was doing it.mindblowing.
is it reasonable to have one IPS screen for video games and one VA screen for movies?
>>102129471>how is dlss an image quality boost?Black magic, as shown here >>102125821If you want to know, just watch the AMDumboxed videos. They're cited in the image. And of course, if they have anything positive to say about Nvidia (or Intel for that matter), you better sit up and pay attention, because their bread and butter is shitting on those companies for their contrarian audienceBut who cares whether it's better than full res TAA? You'll be using some upsampling solution sooner rather than later
>>102129545yeah forced taa is terrible. it gives people literal motion sickness. there should always be an option to disable it. its literally an important accessibility option.
>>102129552No, just have the AOC Q27G3XMN or MSI MPG 321URX
>>102129471Don’t mind him, he bought a 4070 and now he’s terribly embarrassed about it, he has to spam threads with “the best” quality reduction technology to ease his pain, but it doesn't last long, so I guess that in his case it manifests as seizures from time to time. Poor fella
>>102129745nvidia looks better with taa and rt turned off. amd is better, but still.
by better I mean more photographic.
reminder to NEVER do a custom loop unless it's for shits an giggles
>>102129745The 4070 is better than the 7900 XTX in most games (basically any game that has RT or DLSS), as explained >>102125740
>>102129745>>102129836 (me)How's the 7900 XTX handling muh native (you know, what you claim it can do) in new games?
>>102129836rt is ugly, retard.it just looks stupid. it's very ugly.real raytracing is beautiful.get out of the house. look at tgings. learn what stuff looks like.
>>102129836Poor soul, he can’t even read his own chart, even here his 4070 lost and he paid RT tax and VRAM overflow taxAnd still lost to the 3080
>>102129920OK supposed grass toucher
>>102129846that's a boiletplate junk game. it's a biotrash franchise and I can't believe you bought it.
>>102129946well, I guess it helps fix a badly illuminated game. I fail to see the point of using rt there.
>>102129942I'm so glad I don't have to pay the native tax just to end up with worse image quality. You spent what, an extra $400 just to use FSR and no RT. No wonder Radeon fanboys are poor: a fool and his money are soon parted
>>102129986
>>102130010>his card only does raytracingpfft, what a peasant. path tracing is where its at.
>>102129700>$2000+ 27" monitorgetfucked
>>102130050You must be a thirdieIt's $280 in the USA
>>102130010>4070 midget can’t handle the 1080p even with upscaling>about to turn RTOh no no no, lmao
>>102130023excellent example. the one on the right is too dark.
For case fan placement, is there any reason to go 1 bottom 1 back over 1 front 1 back?
>>102129745This video is quite old, the latest version is DLSS 3.7.2
>>102130193not unless the bottom fan has adequate clearance due to the feet being tall enough (3cm)
>>102130160why is this game such a performance hog, poor optimization?
>>102126717Some game implementations use 2x scaling and goofy sampling settings to make it work, but if you force SSAA in drivers it will use 4x scaling and grid sampling because it's trivial to implement and requires no knowledge of the game state.
>>102130160>minimumsThe desperation is palpable>>102130213And even with the old version you have to pull out a magnifying glass
Will getting one of these shits actually get rid of the coil whine that's coming through my headphones through the front jack?
>>102130254Made by chinese, nvidia sponsored title so they told them dont worry dlss will handle everything. What they didnt mention was frame gen dlss being 40x0 exclusive.
>>102126826Zen 5 is a nothingburger, your mistake was buying a Zen 3 laptop when Zen 4+4c has existed for a year.
>>102130283>still can’tOh no no no no, rest in 1080p DLSS balanced
>>102130254It's a fairly typical UE5 games using Nanite and LumenWukong isn't an really an outlier; the devs just exposed the Cinematic preset, which is an Ultra+ equivalentCompare High >>102125128 with pic related
>>102130380~60 fps at 1080p, then frame gen on topGood enough for 4K. Remember: I don't have to pay the native taxHigh + RT looks better than Cinematic anyway
>>102130414> ~60 fps at 1080pKEK46 take it or leave> Good enough for 4KHe doesn’t know
>IPS typical contrast, 1000-1200>VA typical contrast, 3000>OLED typical contrast, 1500000once they fix that burn in and the prices drop, OLED will 100% be the best.VAs look so good, they look fantastic... until things move :^(I play a lot of strategy games mostly, like total war... but the ghosting... Now that i've been told about it and seen in on youtube, i don't know if i can live with it... i cant even check my old monitors because i sold them when i moved
>>102130283>And even with the old version you have to pull out a magnifying glassgo watch rachel madfow semen guzzling retard
>>102130625oled is bad. it flickers.
>>102130625the best VA panels have had better response times than the best IPS for like 3 or 4 years now lol
>>102130625they cant fix the burn in, its inherent to the pixels being organic and having a finite lifespanmicroled have inorganic pixels and will be what replaces oled
>>102130625Some VAs are goodbut OLED is the correct buy at this point
>>102130729oled flicker. it sucks
>>102130213It’s doesn’t really matter, even DLSS 3.5 has these issues and DLSS/FSR/XeSS ver. 7.AyyLmao.9000 will have this stuff, it’s the issue with temporal technology itself, same for TAA
>>102130749That's just a bad implementation, and it's a cherrypick anyway. Much better to have gloves without motion vectors than shimmering EVERYWHERE >>102129211
>>102130749This DLSS is old, the latest version is 3.7.2The new version is way better.
>>102130695people keep telling me about smearing and blurring though
>>102130777it's fake detail.turn it all off
>>102130815When have I heard this before
>>102130283That video is a year old. Using DLSS 2.4.3NGL the comparison are weird you guys are using versions that existed before Frame generation or even RR came out as example. The tech has gotten better massively over the past year for all three upscaling DLSS, FRS, XeSSYou're doing a disservice to everyone by not showing current versions.https://youtu.be/PneArHayDv4?si=_n3qCOVHKmKiQhe9Honestly this is lastest video I can find that show how much better things have gotten. Using close to current versions of the upscalers.
>>102130825You aren't proving anything by showing a trash game with bad iq.
What happens is devs know all the screenshots and review stills come from the 4090.so they just make that one card look "good" (to retards)
>>102130865Metro Exodus is one of the best looking games in existence. Also I enjoyed it. You can turn off most of the HUD elements including crosshairs. Not as good as 2033 but still a fun game to play once
>>102130864>better massivelyI wouldn't say that. Ray Reconstruction is definitely a step forward overall. DLSS is definitely better, but issues like the ghosting/trailing that nitpick anon shows are just flaws in implementation / engine integration, not in the base tech. FSR is basically the same shit, just less ugly sharpening
>>102130790Nah, if they could fix it, we wouldn't have these problems already, but here we are>>102130777>lost to TAA Embarrassing, native would never > Much better to haveNative quality without loosing everything to this blurry mess, even with your low quality texture >>102130865
If I don't play in a dark room, will I even notice the difference between a VN and an IPS?
>>102130908why is the sun direction incosistent in that screenshot? yes it all looks ugly.
>>102130625I'm afraid OLED's burn-in issues might be unsolvable. I was hopeful for a time that Blue PHOLED would be the savior in reliability and brightness we needed as it's the Achilles's heel of the tech in the RGB-subpixel Triforce, but according to UDC this Spring it's still around 40% the lifetime of traditional fluorescent Blue OLED causing further delays to implementation.https://www.oled-info.com/elec-udcs-blue-pholed-material-still-unstable-may-delay-market-introductionI've since shifted my hopes to Sharp & NanoSys's work with QDEL which uses inorganic materials and is already demo'd with monitor class PPI densities (unlike MicroLED). As an added bonus it can be manufactured using existing LCD factories and tooling without the specialized vacuum chambers required for OLED manufacture.https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1705480332In the nearer-term I'm most excited for a true RGB OLED by LG in a 27" 4K form factor at the end of next year.
>>102130955I'm a photographer. rt screens look awful.
3ghz 1100mv 2600mhz vram 415w gud? 79xtx
>>102130961>incosistentIt's not. The boiler room is below. You're just not used to seeing anything besides screen space reflections>>102130959>performance dlss on an old version in an amd sponsored gameNot bad. Way better than you'll get with performance FSR
>>102131004Suit yourself
>>102131020>wrong version >amd sponsored>wrong implementation >wrong quality setting >post 360p TAADeep Learning Super Copium
>>102131020it's inconsistent with the lamp.everything ia literally ugly.
>>102130959>Make a whole post about using the latest versions of the upscalers as comparison >Post 2.3 DLSS screenshot compared to 3.7.2Come on man.
>>102127981>>102128186>mfw I bought it $300 last november
>>102131058>CopiumThis whole thread is you coping over not having DLSS and RTEventually you will emerge from AMDenial into AcceptanceMD
>>102131033Again, it's obvious you are a retarded child. you are showing a game that is very ugly, which ia using rt to no purpose, while the underlying illumination of the trash is very poor (technically).I mean this sincerely, you are mentally retarded. sell your worthless computer and buy retard rollers.
>>102131103amd also has industry leading transfoem and lighting, so colors are more natural, and gamut is wider as intended by discerning devs.
Bought a 240 AIO Cooler, turns out my case doesn't support it for the top portion, only the front, so I need some advice. Do I order in a new case and install it in the top, or would installing it on the front of my current case be fine? And if I DO get a new case, would getting a 360 AIO be much better?
>>102131126Suit yourself
>>102131139AMDelusionMeanwhile here's a real quality comparison
>>102131156no I'm very serious, you are mentally retarded. every image you have posted literally is of garbage (the objects are garbage).It's very sad that Windows is so easy to use retards like you can get on the Internet. I hope your caretakers take action.
>>102130825
>>102131173I do my own comparisons.I already have knowledge and no need to post my own images. When you use rt just bloom global you're a trash dev. toilet bowl dev.nvidia is incapable of volor accuracy in the hardware lighting.
>>102131073>2.3 release date - 21.11>3.5.10- 23.10>still has severe ghosting issue, even worse than the previous one>post the one that released ~7 months after it, this one surely fixed everything Yeah>>102131103>VRAM lost>TAA lost>DLSS upscaled>it’s RT timeI thought DLSS is the last line of defence, but ok, here we go again
>>102131211a track record.but hey, maybe he won't rape THIS lady, he can walk her home.
>>102131156looking back, why is rt making her knees so bright?rt is just trash, whacky.there are otger ways to implement realtime shading.
>>102131099Black Friday?I was honestly going to wait for this year's to make the switch to AMD.
>>102131217Iam highly confused. Why are you showing the beta version of RT Overdrive? RR wasn't even out for it yet.Clearly you're not keeping up to date with this stuff. Because I don't think it's even hard to find problems with the current versions. You just refuse to even do so.
one trick games use is they show you literal piles of filth and garbage and are like "realistic!"
>>102126644>9700XNot worth it at the moment. Either go 7800X3D or wait for the upcoming 9800X3D. I doubt you need so much cooling for the CPU since they don't use a lot of power.>4 sticks of RAMYou'll reduce the speed a lot which will in turn hurt CPU performance so maybe think if you really need 128GB of RAM. Alternatively find a 96GB (2x48) that can at least run at OC speeds.
>>102131298speed isn't hurt that much actually.
>>102131179You do realize that Video Games are rendered in real time, right?>>102131217>it's another cyberpunk cherrpick>lOok iTz NoT pERfecTI know, it's the best you can do to try to deny the transformative nature of PT >>102131156 in Cyberpunk 2077
>>102131267> Why are you showing the beta version of RT Overdrive?Because barely anything changed, RR fixes stability and small details, it doesn’t fix MC lacking reflections or PT going trough stuff
>>102131335> deny the transformative nature of PTKEK
>>102131211AMD friends haven't changed much over the yearsDelusion, conspiracy, and copiumNot really that surprising because AMD hasn't changed that much either
>>102131335a lot of illumination used to be done on the scene. there are many alternatives to "rt" garbage built into videocards.why doesn't the mirror work without rt? we've had mirrors since duke nukem 3d.
>>102131358It's mostly that we are artists and such and can see through tawdry dressing.
What's the cheapest GPU that can run a 4K monitor at 60 FPS?
>>102131350the funniest part is none of those have good rain reflections.I'm a photographer. I know what reflections look like under a downpour.
>>102131350Keep coping, you don't need or want RTon your $1000 card that can't into RT>>102131365>why doesn't the mirror work without rt?It's a reflection, not a mirror. Regardless, they used to do the mirrors by rendering a second room or something like that. RT is computationally cheaper than the hacks devs used to use. Functional mirrors have been rare in video games for a long time>>1021313864070 Super is a good budget card unless you're a Luddite, in which case there is none
>>102131407it's a mirror you retard.I am sure not all nvidia fans are mentally retarded, but you are.
>>102131407> Keep copingI’m not the one trying to launch PT while my gpu can’t handle 1080p with DLSS, KEK
>>102131386kys for even considering team green
>>102131450I don't understand.
>>102131464First of all, have you even ever considered the spiritual importance of color accuracy?
kids these days
>>102131441Windows aren't mirrors, least retarded Radeonfriend>>102131446>i don't need or want rt, i don't need or want rt, i don't need or want rt [ad infinitum]There's absolutely no reason that you should want or expect usable RT on a $1000 RX 7900 XTX, none whatsoever. Anyone who tells you that you should was planted in /pcbg/ by evil Nvidia and is employed by said company
>>102131482Well no, I use a piss filter at all times.
>>102129471Same way DSR was supposed to be a fps boost. Snake oil, all the same.t. 1060 operator
>>102131512idiot. glass is a first surface mirror
>>102131589>Same way DSR was supposed to be a fps boost.You are a moronDSR is the opposite of an FPS boost: you're rendering at a higher resolution.>>102131591No
What is a good small matx case
>>102131386depends on which gamenew shit max settings nothingnew shit medium-high settings 40902020~ games medium-high settings 40802018> games high-ultra settings 30802016> games high-ultra settings 1080Ti
>>102131605>factually wrongharris voters, like that montel slut, are retarded.
>>102131633software in general is poorly coded.the oed has an index that is extremely fast in emulation, of one core. full text search takes 2 seconds.
he never answered why her knees are bright or why the lamp shadow points the wrong way.
>>102131605>you're rendering at a higher resolution.Yeah, and than it pulls it back down to 1080p while claiming better quality and more fps. Do you even 10 series faggot?
>>102131512> There's absolutely no reason that you should want or expect usable RT on a $1000I can’t expect usable RT even on a $2.1k GPU at native res or DLSS Q even, so it’s irrelevant for me as long as it’s isn’t the mainstream technology in gamedev, until we see it being viable there will be a lot of gens to reach that point
>>102131745that game also looks like garbage.
>>102131719>while claiming more fpsMoronNvidia never claimed that. I'm not surprised that's what you thought was supposed to happen, as retards often have trouble with comprehension>>102131745>nativeYou only have to pay the native tax on Radeon, we've been over this. Don't worry, you don't need RT or good upsampling on your $1000 Radeon card. Don't let any Nvidia employees tell you otherwise
whenever you're feeling down, just remember there's a loser who spent 8 hours arguing about which is the best fake rendering techniques on /g/pcbg to defend his 4070 purchase
>>102131776>glass isn't a mirrorrachel maddow said sogo away biotrash.
>>102131776> native tax on RadeonDon’t have to pay extra money for Readon to run native res, can’t say that about the current version of RT
>>102131776>Nvidia never claimed that.You sure about that?
>>102131776The Nvidia shill is getting upset kek
>>102131386my gtx980 from 2014 did that just fine
Reminder AMD GPU sucks. Deadass
Pl0x nvidiniggers, boost my frames and make it all stuttery and laggy and blurry and shit! Take my money!
>>102131927I bet the nvidishill doesn't even know what the X(p) card is kek.
I HATE TAAI HATE FRAME SCALINGI HATE HOW GPU MAKERS ARE KILLING MOTION CLARITY
>>102131864>>102131944Brother clean your fucking monitor
>>102131961That's why you play mid 2010s or earlier games that have msaa built-in
>>102131017sounds too good to be true
>>102131978
why are you poor, AMD owners?
>>102129458non-K i5s like the 13400 are entry level while K i5s like the 13600k are mid-range
>>102132018>>102132018>>102132018
any good budget GPU to upgrade from Rx5700? I have it for 5 years now and it has been burning hot lately 95 celsius on ffxiv high setting, I have 1080p monitor and r5 5600
>>102131847Looks to me like you paid about $400 more >>102125740 to play with worse image quality>>102131864Show me where it says DSR provides more FPS, which is what anon claimed >>102131589 >>102131719It doesn't
>>102132034Have you repasted it yet?
>>102131997Go the sapphire pulse
>>102132069I have not, I'm scare of breaking it I have to use my pc for workmaybe I will try, is cpu thermal paste fine for gpu?
>>102131864dude.he's a brain damages retarded member of the mainstream cult. Due to the process of demoralization, no amount of true facts will dissuade him.He's lost to humanity.
>>102132009:) we have color accurate transform amd lighting.nvidia is inaccurate, and produces a lower grade image.
In reality, is the lower contrast of an IPS even noticeable in a normally lit room? I don't play in darkness like a troglodyte (i am using that in the correct meaning of the word, not as a libtard insult).
>>102132048>>102132048Nah, I use native instead of DLSS or TAA, so I get way better quality and clarity >>102125843
>>102132182>way better qualityOK budIt's not like developers have been trying to fix native with antialiasing for decades
>>102132478>retarded npc hailing a nonexistent cablost hardtrash franchise asser flip game for retarded toddlers.that taa blur is so unrealistic.
>>102132161yeah you can tell. I prefer va, because I gind the refresh style to be more natural and less headache inducing. oled flickers, but does have perfect blacks.
>>102132478>static shotmove the camera and TAA will make everything look like it's microwaving itself
>>102132881The camera is moving, retard
>>102132888I mean rotating the camera not the idle sway you dishonest prick.
>>102132917TAA will substantially better, but the TAA will devolve into something closer to native, which will be a mess of shimmer and jaggies
>>102132953>TAA will substantially better
>>102132478> developers have been trying to fix native with antialiasing for decadesTAA didn’t really fix anything, only undersampled stuff, everything else pretty much failed
>>102133644>TAA didn’t really fix anythingOpinion. Regardless, DLAA does, oh thou who doth not have DLAAAnyway the end all be all of this discussion are posted here >>102132478 and here >>102129211, both of which show how unusable native is
>>102133676> Opinion>>102126508>>102127183>>102127882>>102129120The issue with TAA is visible everywhere, loss of detail as well as weak AA performance. Any temporal resolution is worse than native atm in terms of details and stability, except for undersampled stuff, which is the issue with implementation itself