Buy Xbox Series X if you want to play bideo gaems.

The only game of 2024 that matters is AMD/Intel sponsored. No disgusting black/green creatures allowed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N-64Uzx2ac

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In battlemage, we trust

Cheers for the input >>102218698 >>102218748 . Other than that, A620s and B650s almost the double in price are available to me. Sucks.

>>102218992
Are those laptop chips?

>>102218848
Why avoid iGPU-less processors? KF are better binned than regular K skews. Missing Quick-sync sucks but I don't video-edit. I mean if my GPU ever dies it would've come in handy but I just would end up buying another GPU anyways. Just wondering why, not hating, thanks.

>>102219022
They help for troubleshooting and enable a working system if your dgpu explodes or something. Y'know, nvidia problems.

>>102218900
>Any ideas what i could cut down?
my nigga you need to cut down an entire step of a platform and stick to am4. 4060 on am5 is retarded

>>102219022
only really makes sense with the 12100 or 12400. cost saving is too small

>>102219062
>>102219096
Yeah that's fair, it's like a $10 difference.

>>102219062
*angry leather man noises*

>>102218869
>Now show it in motion

check mate, faggots.

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What's the verdict on the Deepcool Assassin IV? Is it really the ultimate air cooler?

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>>102218848
I neglected to copy the first part of the OP

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases (e.g. 4K editing, high FPS gaming)
State budget and COUNTRY or you will not be helped

>12VHPWR
DO NOT USE ANGLED 12VHPWR ADAPTERS
Fully seat a 12VHPWR connector in its socket, otherwise the connection can melt.
https://youtu.be/ig2px7ofKhQ?t=1345

>Intel Raptor Lake / RPL Refresh
Instability reported with 13th and 14th gen, i5 K SKUs and above (incl non-K). Update BIOS and apply Intel Baseline settings. Avoid purchases.

>>102219264
Looks cool, nice QoL features, doesn't meaningfully outperform the cheapo Thermalrights. Also hard to get in the US due to that stupid proxy war.

>>102219264
>>102219355
Why can't a 14th gen be air cooled?

>>102218009
>>102218009
is it worth the wait tho?

>>102219022
no reason to avoid them
i remember people cheering when they didn't have to pay for a "useless iGPU" with ryzen
>>102219062
unless this is your first build (or you upgrade every two years and sell the old cards) you should have an old card to use in case of an emergency

>>102219364
If you mean the 14700K/14900K it's because the stock 253W power limit is beyond the reasonable capacity of most air coolers. The big 140mm ones can probably manage it at full bore but that's not ideal for noise reasons.

>>102219017
yes
nobody cares

>>102219264
NOT FOR AMERICANS

NOT FOR US DOLLARS

Why are gaming laptops bad?

>>102219539
Because of Airplanes. Unironically.

Would anyone recommend (or not) the Founders Edition 4070S? Is there much of a difference between this and other brand 4070S?
I want to build mITX and the appeal of the FE 4070S is the fan exhaust - it seems like the only brand which does exhaust instead of intake.
Basically I would like to have the motherboard reversed so the GPU blows out of the top with case exhaust fans. CPU can then intake its own air from lower rear fan, and I guess sides could be in/out or both in.
This whole idea relies on the FE 4070S not being a poor option for some reason when it comes to the GPU, so what do people think about it compared to other brands (if anything)?

What's the point of blower cards and why can't I even find one in my country?

>>102219809
Blower cards basically don't exist in the consumer space these days. You find some stupid OEM versions the likes of Dell use but those are fucked in other ways.

Is it worth having an AIO on a 7800X3D or 9950X

>>102219809
They're gone
Now you need some stupid mesh case that lets in as much air and dirt as possible so your GPU doesn't cook itself with garbage axial blades

>>102219856
lol
lmao

>>102219847
>7800X3D
No. It's locked at 88W.
>9950X
Maybe if you're building for low noise but don't want to lower the stupid stock PPT.

>>102218869
Kinda expected that SMAA is way better than DLSS or TAA

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/240961/intel-core-ultra-9-processor-288v-12m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz.html

H.266 (VVC) Hardware Encode/Decode
Decode Only

INTEL WON

AYYMDEAD CAN'T INTO H.266 VVC HARDWARE DECODING.

>>102219999
>being a contrarian on the internet

>>102220030
Meds

Post your unpopular PC Building opinions

>>102220108
mini-itx builds aren't that expensive
people oft overexaggerate the cost of it

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Prove you're not an Nvidia shill

Say something nice about AMD GPUs

>>102220156
Better performance per dollar and they have every feature that matters. Also the only intelligent choice for Linux.

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Can you slap the giganigga HDDs into a normal PC or do they need to be in a NAS/run special SW?

>>102220188
If they're U.2 then you'll need and adapter. Also some drives actually use the 3.3V rail for signalling instead of power so you need to use power cords that don't feature a 3.3V rail, such as through an adapter.

>>102220156
i'm using one

>>102220209
I'm looking just for classic 3.5´´. What are the biggest ones that are "normal"

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-03/nvidia-gets-doj-subpoena-in-escalating-antitrust-investigation

don't care, still buying nvidia

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>don't care, still buying nvidia

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(funny how no one complains about "muh brand wars" when the amdjeet is angrily shilling against nvidia or intel)

GTX 900 SERIES

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 950 - 2 GB, GDDR5, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960 - 2 GB, GDDR5, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 - 4 GB, GDDR5, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 - 4 GB, GDDR5, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti - 6 GB, GDDR5, 384 bit

GTX 1000 SERIES

NVIDIA GeForce GT 1030 - 2 GB, GDDR5, 64 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti - 8 GB, GDDR5, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 - 8 GB, GDDR5X, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti - 11 GB, GDDR5X, 352 bit

GTX 1600 SERIES

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 SUPER - 4 GB, GDDR6, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti - 6 GB, GDDR6, 192 bit
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER - 6 GB, GDDR6, 192 bit

RTX 2000 SERIES

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 - 8 GB GDDR6
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER - 8 GB GDDR6
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 - 8 GB GDDR6
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER - 8 GB GDDR6
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti - 11 GB GDDR6

RTX 3000 SERIES

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12 GB - 12 GB, GDDR6, 192 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Ti - 8 GB, GDDR6, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 - 10 GB, GDDR6X, 320 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 12 GB - 12 GB, GDDR6X, 384 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti - 12 GB, GDDR6X, 384 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 20GB - 20 GB, GDDR6X, 320 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 - 24 GB, GDDR6X, 384 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Ti - 24 GB, GDDR6X, 384 bit

RTX 4000 SERIES

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16 GB - 16 GB, GDDR6, 128 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER - 12 GB, GDDR6X, 192 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti SUPER - 16GB VRAM
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 - 16 GB, GDDR6X, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER - 16 GB, GDDR6X, 256 bit
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 - 24 GB, GDDR6X, 384 bit

Which did you have bros?

>>102220369
That's probably because he doesn't make 100 posts in a 300 post thread.

>>102220389
2070 super my beloved

>>102220369
Because for GPUs he's grasping at straws; bottleneck? Are you running 5060 with 4090 or what? And intel managed to kill itself on its own so there's no point shilling in the cpu segment.

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>>102219598
FEs have been quite good since RTX 30. Some people prefer them for aesthetics or other reasons

>>102220156
Stop posting this every thread

>>102220413
Except the AMDrones are constantly lying or just schizoposting. Is this your first day in /pcbg/? They're 90% of the reason I'm here

>>102220335
>muh memes
Except in reality when Jedi Survivor (the subject of his dumbass conjecture) was tested this turned out not to be the case
AMDrone can do nothing but drone

>>102220413
he does this every thread ;)

>>102220445
He doesn't do it 100 times every thread. The Nvidia shill does.

>Except the AMDrones are constantly lying or just schizoposting
wow just like you

>>102220156
DSC actually works.

>>102220456
I just directly contradicted the FUD >>102220335 with facts >>102220442
That's the way it always is. Don't try to pretend otherwise

>>102220455
>ignores the past 100 threads
>ignores him spamming the same posts each thread
lol

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>buying a 4070 family gpu in 2024

>>102220498
The past 100 threads what? One or two posts? In a thread where there's a guy who unironically image dumps the same folder every thread while claiming DLSS looks better than native?

No the Nvidia shill IS the original problem and DID cause the one or two oopsie posts that you're upset about.

>>102220529
>No the Nvidia shill IS the original problem and DID cause the one or two oopsie posts that you're upset about.
nah the amd shill did this even before the nvidia shill was image dumping
he would often complain that nvidia gpus or intel cpus would be featured in the OP over amd ones
so stop acting as if the nvidia guys is just to blame, you are showing bias by doing so

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>>102220529
>while claiming DLSS looks better than native?
I don't see why you'd have a problem with this statement, if it's better than or equivalent (while being much faster) in 2/3s of the games in this table. When you admit reality, I will no longer need to post about DLSS. Until then, you'll get beaten down every thread.

bros what do I do got around 6k euros budget
mostly doing WFH programming and gayming (World of Warcaft and Path of Exile) on Linux
already got a monitor 1440p@144
want to go with RX9500XTX for GPU
but im not sure what CPU do I want, should I go with ryzen 9 9950x for programming or 7950x3d or maybe wait for 9950x3d

>>102220585
Meanwhile in reality, the shill is posting directly below you. He's actually what's causing all trolling in the thread, and despite that he's still 80% of the bad info and outright lying that this thread produces.

No I don't care that you're upset over one guy's post that you could have ignored, it isn't dominating the thread or trying to constantly convince people to buy the wrong product, just stop talking about it.

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I'm looking for a GPU to replace my 5600xt and play comfortably at 2560x1600
my monitor is the SW242Q so it doesn't even have freesync and it's just 60hz but I don't mind
these are the kind of games I want to play, my most demanding game of 2024 so far was probably just Sand Land
list is mostly indies but there are some more moderately demanding games like kunitsugami, sparking zero or still wakes the deep
I don't mind using fsr/dlss if needed but I don't think most of those games support it, my biggest games like Sand Land or AC6 didn't support it
I was looking at the 7700XT, does that make sense? the 6800 is just as good but the only model available here is an XFX one thta doesn't fit in my case
thanks

>>102220127
As an mITXchad for years now, it's because people still have the notion that mITX cases are super expensive low production run boutique products, the likes of ncase, formd, et al
Those cases popularized the form factor enough for major manufacturers to get into the case game so now mITX is only expensive if you want it to be expensive

The main problem now is that there are so few desirable mITX motherboards and inexpensive ones even fewer. Because the sales volume is low, mobo manufacturers typically only launch high end mITX boards with high prices and margins

>>102220629
>No I don't care that you're upset over one guy's post that you could have ignored
same could be said about you and the nvidia guy, or even my initial post, but here we are
you're just mad that someone pointed out the AMDjeets obvious shilling

>>102220641
If you can't fit a 6800 in then a 7700xt is okay enough.

>>102220629
I always back up my posts with facts, such as the comprehensive analysis of DLSS vs muh native in the previous post

>trying to constantly convince people to buy the wrong product [aka anything besides radeon]
Ah yes, must be painful to have such loyalty to a brand

Not shilling
>Always buy Nvidia, trust me bro
Shilling
>consider the 7900 GRE instead

>>102220655
>same could be said about you and the nvidia guy
No it can't, he's posting constantly and destroys every thread.
>or even my initial post
Except I'm not upset have no inhibition about pointing out that you're wrong. You are extremely triggered about this and screaming hypocrisy that in comparison doesn't exist. The AMD guy has never completely derailed a thread, the Nvidia shill has done it daily.

You are wrong, that's all that's happening.

He's even replying to me with more obviously untrue bullshit that everybody knows is false, we all know all upscalers like DLSS look bad. If your boogieman the AMD shill mattered then he'd still be replying.

>>102220710
you could've easily ignored my post but you were irked that i pointed out how the AMDshill was constantly spamming each new the thread with the same image >>102220156 thus contributing to the brand wars instead of the supposed nvidia shill who is only reacting because of said shilling
> If your boogieman the AMD shill mattered then he'd still be replying
almost as if calling someone out for their retarded behavior would make them cease said behavior, shocker
and notice how your boogieman the nvdia shill also stopped posting?
your just biased

>>102220389
1050ti because i was a poorfag at the time and couldnt afford anything else. I hated every single day i had that damned thing installed.

>>102220786
>you could've easily ignored my post
Hey retard.
>Except I'm not upset have no inhibition about pointing out that you're wrong.
I'm not saying you're trolling. I'm saying you're wrong. There's no reason for me to not reply. Stop talking.
>nvidia shill who is only reacting because of said shilling
HAHAHAHA

>>102220802
>notice how your boogieman the nvdia shill also stopped posting?
you lost the argument biased retard

>>102220659
alright thanks anon
I was also looking at secondhand 2080tis and 6700xts since those can be found for ~220-260€ (6700xt usually a bit cheaper), would offer a decent uplift and also have a comfortable enough amount of vram so that's nice, but I feel like those might be just a tad lightweight in the long run

>>102220822
You are wrong and you know it. Almost all of the shit posts are from one Nvidia shill in this thread. He embarrassed you by showing himself repeatedly while you tried to claim hypocrisy and shitposted the thread again. You don't care about that and we can all see you're just upset.

>>102220859
>>102220710
>we
How many voices you got in your head, bro?

>almost as if calling someone out for their retarded behavior would make them cease said behavior, shocker
So true xister! This totally happens.

>>102220859
>>notice how your boogieman the nvdia shill also stopped posting?
>Almost all of the shit posts are from one Nvidia shill in this thread
so your're biased and a schizo, figures
btw you're malding rn lol

>>102220886
>Almost all of the shit posts are from one Nvidia shill in this thread
That is typical in this general, yes.
>btw you're malding rn lol
Nope. You are mad. I am pointing out that you're a retard and I'm not going to stop.

>>102220389
1080Ti since 2018, upgraded to a 4070Super in February. I should've got the 4070TiSuper, oh well.

>>102220895
>That is typical in this general, yes
so why did he stop posting all of a sudden?

>>102220899
Forgot to mention I had a 1070, 970SSC Edition, and started off with a GT430 before those two.

>>102220915
This isn't the argument you think it is. You don't get to dictate how many times he proved you wrong. The fact that you screamed hypocrisy once and then he proved you wrong is all it takes.

U MAD

>>102220943
>>Almost all of the shit posts are from one Nvidia shill in this thread
>so why did he stop posting all of a sudden?
just accept the fact you were wrong, instead of you know, getting mad

>>102220972
>so why did he stop posting all of a sudden?
>This isn't the argument you think it is. You don't get to dictate how many times he proved you wrong. The fact that you screamed hypocrisy once and then he proved you wrong is all it takes.
U MAD

>>102221020
>>This isn't the argument you think it is
>>102220413
>That's probably because he doesn't make 100 posts in a 300 post thread.
i accept your concession

>>102221041
Meanwhile in reality
>>102203660

U MAD

>>102221069
>coping and seething
lol

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>tard jeet vs tard ruski
Can you both fucking kys already holy shit.

>>102221084
I accept your concession.

>when two shills get mad at each other https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWW3t8xkNuE

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>>102220156
Sapphire is peak quiet top notch performance. I've owned both and can honestly say I prefer Sapphire's RGB subtlety. im waiting for it to get a little cooler before I spray paint it white to match the build

>>102221069
>amdrone opens the thread with vram memes >>102204159
>gets shit on the rest of the thread
You are understandably bootyblasted and still lack a grasp on reality. If it weren't for the drones, I wouldn't need to post. In fact, in the last thread, DLSS was only mentioned once by a random anon.

>>102221162
Sapphire VS XFX VS PowerColor

What is the difference and which is best?

>>102221172
That's a real video of a 4070S not being able to play a game on highest settings. Also he didn't get shit on the rest of the thread, everyone except one guy agreed with him and disagreed with the odd man out.

>>102221177
I prefer sapphire cause they have some pretty good RMA and customer support, plus their cards are built well. XFX is ok if you want good overclocking and cooling but no RGB and decent customer support. Powercolor is just as good if not better than Sapphire but their cards have been known to have pretty bad coil whine on higher end models, even when you tweak the settings and reduce voltage. none of them are bad but none of them are the best at everything

>>102221177
Taiwan > Mainland China, for ASIC quality.

>>102221177
PowerColor. XFX was good back when I owned a 270X but I hear from repair guy youtube channels that they aren't good anymore.

does it matter what brand of GPU i get?

>>102221214
Yes, it affects cooling, warranty, and the customer service process should you need a warranty replacement. Lots of brands will do shit like put a plastic backplane on the card instead of metal, which hurts cooling instead of improving it.

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https://www.ghacks.net/2023/03/19/yandex-browsers-gpu-crashes-dropped-significantly-after-pretending-to-be-chrome/

I really hate what pcbg has become.

>>102221252
>"The results surprised us a lot: for users with AMD video cards from the experimental group, the number of GPU process crashes decreased by 5.5 times, the memory consumption of the GPU process decreased by an average of 8%, and the opening of web pages in the browser and interface responsiveness also slightly accelerated".

Just from renaming Brave or Vivaldi or Yandex

>>102221269
this is what happens when shills are allowed to fester

>>102221246
What brands do you recommend? I was thinking about getting a RTX 3060 12 GB as recommended by OP

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>>102220156
i like how much VRAM they have and how they get all the nice waifu designs

>>102221336
Gigabyte/Asus

>>102220156
It lowered the price of the 4080 Super

>>102221371
Huh? Shit is still over $1000 and it's not even 1.5x faster than the 7900GRE.

>>102221336
I'd just check warranties and buy one that has a good long one. Avoid Asus, as they have been caught blaming customers during RMA processes recently. In general the larger heatsinks should give better cooling, if you care about that. There is basically no reason to ever pay for a factory OC'd graphics card unless it's the same price as the regular versions.

>>102221252
Based. My AMD card just got much faster than Nvidia where it actually matters.

>>102221390
>it's not even 1.5x faster than the 7900GRE.
LOL

>>102219443
A high end dual tower air cooler can handle a 14700K at 253/253w pretty easily. Really depends on what you do though, If I did blender renders all day I'd probably spring for a 360mm AIO.

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>>102221252
> "The results surprised us a lot: for users with AMD video cards from the experimental group, the number of GPU process crashes decreased by 5.5 times, the memory consumption of the GPU process decreased by an average of 8%, and the opening of web pages in the browser and interface responsiveness also slightly accelerated".
>Yandex's conclusion was, that the AMD driver used hardcoded process names for certain features or optimizations.
Amazing, excellent drivers.

>>102221198
>everyone
Delusional

>4070S not being able to play a game on highest settings
>hogwarts with rt and frame gen
RT and Frame Gen are considered the highest acceptable settings now? That's a change. In that case no Radeon card can play Hogwarts with highest settings, as FSR Frame Gen isn't supported. Additionally none of them can use with RT at good image quality (and remember that DLSS is better than native in Hogwarts, while FSR is worse than native). Heard it here first folks, the AMDrone himself has admitted that no Radeon card can be recommended, as none of them can play Hogwarts with the highest settings.

>>102221436
>none of them can use with RT at good image quality
none of them can use RT with good performance and image quality*

>>102218848
Doing a spare parts build.

I have an i5 2500k and an i7 2600 (non k) and respective motherboards.

Which one should I build around and what's the best GPU to seek out for it

>>102221436
Random Anon jumping in here that owns a 4070Super, it's really not meant for the highest end RT settings. I get away with Cyberpunk Path-traced at about 40-50fps and 70-80 with FG. The people pushing PT+FG saying "Look it can't run games" are hilarious. Hogwarts example shows the disingenuous nature of this person.

>>102221436
It also affects Nvidia

>>102221436
lmao of course the Nvidia shill thinks that there are any graphics card drivers that don't optimize for certain programs. Nvidia does it MORE than AMD or Intel, they have more personnel assigned to that. Web browsers are easily the most complicated applications that a desktop/laptop runs, why wouldn't you think drivers wouldn't go out of their way to identify errors and fix them?

>>102221480
The 2500K can be overclocked but it's probably so old that you won't get much out of it. The 2600 is multithreaded. If you're playing old games then the 2500K with a slight overclock might be better, for anything else the 2600 is better.

>>102221484
>fake frames

I feel like a fucking retard idk what to do
>Buy new 1440p monitor
>Connect it up
>Everything works fine
>See an option to put it at a 4k resolution in display settings
>Monitor goes black
>Main monitor freezes up for a minute
>Decide to restart computer
>Suddenly monitor will not display
>It now keeps switching between "HDMI not connected" and trying to connect to the computer, just for nothing to be displayed
>Try 3 different hdmi cables
>Same issues
>if I set the display to mirror monitor turns on but completely fails when trying to turn it into extended displays
>Monitor works perfectly fine when hooked up to PS4
What do? MSI G274QPX

>>102221252
You can see in mesa driver and Nvidia inspector that there's profiles for chrome, Edge, and Firefox. Other web browsers are left out and run slower.

>>102221530
That's my point? It's a $600 GPU, not $1800.

>>102221530
I think the main game I will have on it would be terraria. But back in the day it was the PC I used to play games like starcraft, call of duty (mw2, blops, mw2 and blops3) etc

But mostly I think it will be a shared browsing/media pc

>>102221361
that's 12gig per boob.

>>102221564
1080Ti was $699

>>102221531
Try booting in safe mode to see if you can reset the resolution.

>>102221597
I'm not sure the point you're trying to make to me, I literally agree with you. Seems like you just want to argue to argue kek.

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>>102221422
>A high end dual tower air cooler can handle a 14700K at 253/253w pretty easily. Really depends on what you do though, If I did blender renders all day I'd probably spring for a 360mm AIO.
Serious question: Are servers all just watercooled these days (which sounds like a bad idea in terms of uptime reliability). Like what are using to cool beasts like picrel with a bajillion cores?

>>102221564
There is no reason for framegen ever. You aren't playing at double framerate. It lowers image quality and functionally increases input lag because it blurs the real frames that the game actually rendered. You still feel like you're playing at half the supposed framerate.

>>102221637
they have huge heatsinks with dense fin stacks like a GPU and have very fast industrial fans, some are watercooled

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>>102221637
They just use loud fans in a blower configuration. The entire case is a wind tunnel. The heatsink and such is solid copper. The room the computers are stored in is kept around 60 degrees, as well.

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>>102221489
Oh really, where's your proof? In fact the article says
>The improvements were observed on AMD systems, and it is unclear if NVIDIA systems are affected by this as well.
The dev's quote specifies AMD systems and the AMD driver.

>>102221495
Yandex is a Chromium browser. RTG already has the optimizations, they're just not being applied, because AMD drivers

>>102221531
This is some kind of Windows setting / issue, maybe intertwined with a driver setting / issue. If all else fails, run DDU and reinstall the graphics drivers to revert settings

>>102221640
People who have access to high quality Frame Gen use it. Obviously it's not going to solve your framerate problems if you're starting from 25 FPS, and there's no point to using it if you're already at 150 FPS, but it is useful in a lot of situations, especially if you're already running at about 60 FPS and would like more smoothness

>>102221685
>People who have access to high quality Frame Gen use it.
No. It's a downgrade if you care about the experience. It only makes the game look smoother in a benchmarking video.
>Yandex is a Chromium browser. RTG already has the optimizations, they're just not being applied, because AMD drivers
This is normal, that's how drivers work, all of them. If you name your program something unusual, the driver is supposed to not apply a profile.

>>102221685
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/23254#issuecomment-1536793164
>NVIDIA appears to set exceptions for chrome.exe, msedge.exe, and firefox.exe. They didn't add smaller browsers (Brave and Vivaldi) to this exceptions list.

>have a consistent crashing issue
>kernel event 55 under windowsl logs, apparently a CPU issue
>I have a 5950x
>replace motherboard
>issue persists
>replace CPU with another 5950x at my own expense
>issue disappears for two months then comes back
>replace PSU
>issue persists
>nothing is overheating
>I even have my power limit set to 75% of stock draw
I dont fucking understand, what the fuck is going on? did I really get two defective cpus? I fucking replaced everything...

>>102221756
Does your motherboard actually have enough VRM for a 5950X? Also you might try disabling PBO in BIOS if you have that enabled.

>>102221756
Kernel 55 error is file system issue or bad SSD/HDD.

>>102221676
>They just use loud fans in a blower configuration. The entire case is a wind tunnel. The heatsink and such is solid copper. The room the computers are stored in is kept around 60 degrees, as well.
>>102221674
>they have huge heatsinks with dense fin stacks like a GPU and have very fast industrial fans, some are watercooled
Ah, I see.

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>>102221782
pic rel. so it's not cpu related? I assumed it was since it stated processor power. either way my only drive is a well seated nvme drive and as far I know there are no corrupted files or anything like that
>>102221773
It's an asrock b550m steel legend and Im certain it has more than enoug juice based on reviews and a few AM4 VRM spreadsheets. It was a little worse with PBO off, I turned it on solely to lower the power limit

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>>102221613
Just to clear things up, you weren't talking to me. Anonymous is not one person. I can see how that double reply might have confused you

>>102221711
>It's a downgrade
I have high quality (aka DLSS) Frame Gen and I use it
Last time I used it was in Hellblade II, and it was excellent

>>102221736
>random users
>It seems that, unlike Edge or Chrome, Brave reports itself as being a background application even when in focus.
Not the same thing, and also not crashing

>>102221801
What have you done so far? Latest bios updates? Completely reinstalling windows?

>>102221818
I love how you completely skipped over the title
>Brave 139.111 extremely laggy with hardware acceleration enabled (Nvidia) #23254
>Issue still open and not resolved

>>102221818
Yes it's a downgrade. Complaining about random users on Github LMAO they're posting evidence.

>>102221818
Hw accel is worse on Brave with Nvidia GPUs until you rename it to chrome.exe. >>102221549
Nvidia shill , Way to prove that you're dyslexic.

>>102221824
>Latest bios updates? Completely reinstalling windows?
yes to both. I also have the proper chipset drivers as well. I even installed linux at one point see if it'd still happen under load and it also crashed

>>102221818
It's all about base framerate. PS5 is using FSR FG from a base 30fps and it's expectedly terrible.

>>102221801
>I assumed it was since it stated processor power.
It's not really talking about CPU power, it's talking about the CPU trying to go to a rest state and being unable to do that. The CPU probably was told to go to sleep and dropped voltage too much to do something it's supposed to be processing and the Windows kernel is panicking because it thinks something important wasn't processed. Looking online, most guides mention trying to tell your hard drives to not go to sleep, which makes sense because if they're active then at least one CPU core needs to be awake to process whatever the drive is doing.

Looks like a complete reformat is required because at the very least the partition is corrupt, and if that doesn't fix it then replace the drive (or just replace the drive, it sounds flaky).

>>102221874
I agree with this, probably something to do with sleep states.

>>102220389
>Which did you have bros?
1660 Ti. It served me well for five years. Waiting™ for the 50 series

>>102221874
>>102221882
thanks, I'll look into it.

>>102221874
>>102221801
A lot of NVME drives won't include any DRAM for record keeping. In this case, the drive will usually ask the CPU if it can borrow a little of your system RAM. This will logically keep part of the CPU awake since it's constantly granting access to system RAM. Looks like the CPU is going to sleep anyway, it could mean that you need to enable HMB in BIOS, but I think most motherboards enable that automatically. Probably means a dead drive.

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Got a 3700x and upgrading to a 5800x3d with 32gb ram.
I'm running 4x8gb @3766mhz 16-21-21-37 (same sticks)

Some dude at college insisted quad-channel "kills a fuckton of performance with ryzen 5000", is that true?

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>>102221922
got it back in 2020, I have 64gb of ram too if that matters

>>102221924
4x8 is still dual channel
if those sticks are single rank you're running in dual rank mode
if those sticks are dual rank you're running in quad rank mode (but you probably wouldn't be able to clock that high without tuning with that many ranks)

dual rank is ideal for ryzen 5000, so no you're not "killing" performance, you're gaining some small amount of performance (10% at most compared to 2x8)

>>102221924
Desktop Zen chips don't support quad channel. If you mean "four sticks of RAM", the answer is that yes, electrical demands can mean that you have to lower bus speed on the RAM if you're using 4 sticks. That happens when you try to run four R2 sticks of RAM. Happens on all motherboards nowadays, the only speeds you are guaranteed are JEDEC standards, which isn't fast.

what's a good 1,5k-2k ameribucks build? mainly focused on emulation

>>102221610
>>102221685
Thanks for the suggestions but randomly using the control panel and switching it to 120hz worked (it was already set to that before I fucked with resolution...??)

>>102221801
those aren't errors
check Microsoft > Windows > Kernel-WHEA

>>102222012
Emulating PS3? A Zen 4 CPU like a 7600X and just any decent graphics card, like a Geforce 3060 12GB, Radeon 6700XT/6750XT, or something from current gen alittle above that price range. You don't need to spend $1500. Just focus on "bang for your buck" parts.

Emulating anything older? An N100 can handle GCN and PS2 at 1080p. Those PCs cost $150.

Do you have anything actually more demanding to build around?

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>>102222054
there's a lot!

>>102222274
check the errors tab lol
"information" doesn't mean anything is wrong

I was considering a 1440p ultrawide monitor, but then it dawned on me that I can just get a larger normal 4k monitor/tv that is wider and doesn’t have the top and bottom cut off.
Are ultrawides the biggest scam in history? What am I missing here.

>>102222363
yes, ultrawides suck
32/4k >> 34/1440p

Anons, is a 12600K really enough nowadays?

>>102222363
The one true ratio is 4:3, widescreen is just cutting off the top and bottom.

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>GaymersNeckys has been dead for 8d
we're getting another bombshell fanboy industry drama, isn't it?

>>102222402
It's still fine™ if you've already got one.

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Thinking about getting a monitor, it must be 27 inches.
Given i'm running a 5800x3d but a 3060ti with only 8gb, should i stay at 1080p or could i go 1440p?

Currently got another 27inch (VA, 185hz, 1080p) and don't have a problem with pixels, only the color fidelity which is shit.
Also, is g-sync worth it?

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>>102222419
>GaymersNeckys has been dead for 8d
we're getting another bombshell fanboy industry drama, isn't it?
Steve's been working on part 2 of their EK takedown probably including the recent news of staff escaping the sinking ship to Noctua et al. As much I love a good company dressing down I wish they'd spend more time on product reviews, particularly cases and coolers, but they probably haven't gotten their shiny new expensive test environment dialed in yet and need to fill for time 'til Arrow Lake in October..

I want to flash https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/zotac-rtx-2060-twin-fan.b6585 with https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/210338/msi-rtx2060-6144-190128
Anything I'm missing that will make my shit explode and die, or will it be fine?

>>102221818
fabulous looking game that i will probably never play(i hate timed melee games)

>>102222489
If you are buying a monitor that you think has Gsync, it probably actually is Freesync. Monitors that have "real deal" Gsync cost shitloads of money, it requires its own proprietary chip in the monitor. Nvidia calls it "Gsync compatible" when running Freesync.

But yes, Freesync is worth it, it's just vsync with smoother framerate dips and no input lag.

I dunno, I would buy the 1440p option just so that when you upgrade your GPU, you aren't stuck on a 1080p screen. You'll have to turn off RT (except for reflections) and reduce textures in most games, of course.

>>102222489
have at least the decency to use a different wallpaper for each screen

>>102222436
Had a buddy get one a few months ago with a Z790 DDR4 board. Just seemed like a bad choice in 2024. 12600K is okay but Z790 DDR4 seems like a waste for a 12600K, and why not spend the extra $10 for the DDR5 version? If it's cost why get a Z790? I'm not one to argue or talk down to someone for their hardware choices but thought this to myself.

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purple spots started showing up on my miniLED monitor after i packed it in my checked baggage cushioned with clothes.
wtf even is this shit?
there isn't even a hint of purple when it's completely black as well as completely white, only when the concerning localdimming zone on the miniLED backlight lights up does the purple showm

>>102222419
>Given i'm running a 5800x3d but a 3060ti with only 8gb, should i stay at 1080p or could i go 1440p?
1440p, 1080p resolution spread and diluted across a 27" area looks like garbage after you've seen and gotten used to higher pixel density displays:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKtElvxl8A
It's also not THAT much more demanding than 1080p
>Also, is g-sync worth it?
No, freesync is sufficient and cheaper. Nvidia themselves are even throwing in the towel on hardware-level G-Sync:
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/08/nvidia-is-ditching-dedicated-g-sync-modules-to-push-back-against-freesyncs-ubiquity/

Honestly though if you are used to the contrast of a VA panel but most want better color fidelity, your best hope of a true night-and-day upgrade without any sidegrade compromises is OLED. The cheapest one (27" 1440p) is now available starting at $550 which isn't a whole lot more than many premium LCDs:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/8KzXsY/innocn-27a1s-270-2560-x-1440-250-hz-monitor-27a1s

>>102222633
Meant to reply to >>102222489

>>102222603
I agree a Z-series chipset DDR4 board was not a really smart choice. For min maxing cheap DDR4 memory and budget Intel chips a cheaper B660 boards would be better unless the one he chose had specific features he knew ahead of time he was gonna leverage (more PCIe lanes). Actually since real legit overclocking is dead, I don't see much value in enthusiast chipsets anymore period from both AMD & Intel.

>>102222599
>have 3 monitors
>just use a solid color black in all 3
wallpapers are a meme
i stopped using them back in 2003.

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nvidia-gets-doj-subpoena-escalating-210038371.html
>The DOJ, which had previously delivered questionnaires to companies, is now sending legally binding requests that oblige recipients to provide information, according to people familiar with the investigation. That takes the government a step closer to launching a formal complaint.

>Antitrust officials are concerned that Nvidia is making it harder to switch to other suppliers and penalizes buyers that don’t exclusively use its artificial intelligence chips, according to the people, who asked not to be identified because the discussions are private.

>Nvidia shares, which suffered a record-setting $279 billion rout on Tuesday, fell further in late trading after Bloomberg reported on the subpoenas. Still, the stock has more than doubled this year — fueled by explosive sales growth at the Santa Clara, California-based chipmaker.
YES......HAHAHA YES.

>>102221162
Anon what gpu bracket is that? It's somehow still sagging.

>>102222749
We need to support Nvidia now!! I set aside money for 2 5090s already what about you guys?

>>102222804
sorry but I support communism, so I'm buying 8 8800XTs for the same price.

>>102222618
Did it get cooked by x-ray or other beam technologies?

>>102222633
nta, but interesting video. Looking to upgrade from 1080p 24". I thought 1440p would be more than enough for 27" but the difference between with 4k is quite noticable

windows 10 or 11
if i dont know the difference is it even worth putting 11 on a thumbdrive or just use the stick with 10 on it

>>102218848
i'm reformatting my pc due to an error on my drives and i need space to move my stuff on to since my hdds are full and then use in my pc normally afterwards. should i go with a nvme ssd and then after formatting my other drives move it back and then use it as my main ssd or go with a 4tb hdd for mass storage.

>>102220156
they have nice anime cards occasionally and have a decent amount of vram. shame their drivers are shit though. tbf though they don't have the funds nvidia has

>>102222911
That's why 2 drives are comfy. One ssd for everything you want to save and one m2 with the OS that you can reformat if you fuck something up

>>102222925
The drivers have been fine for years now.

pros and cons of gigabyte vs asus mobos? particularly interested in under-volt/clock/watting. also prly going amd

>>102222899
Win10 support ends in 2 years. Just get 11.

>>102222942
that's my ideal scenario but i can only afford one at the moment. i could just wait and then get both but my last hdd to boot is just hanging in there.

>>102218992
lets see the power consumption

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RdRf34

could i use my old EVGA GQ 650w for this
or is the 850w necessary

>>102222987
One year and two months.

>>102222987
TYTY. know a good place to buy a key? or is that still a thing? saw this on reddit but not sure if its the best or w/e https://digitalchillmart.com/

How is this for leafland?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/7v3FcH

Heading off some of the obvious stuff
>why 7600X and not AliEx a 7600
Part of a bundle deal with the motherboard. The build is for a friend so I'd rather deal with retail. If it was for myself, I'd take the AliEx route
>don't need PS120 for a 7600X
Yeah but I don't know which coolers cheaper than the PS120SE are considered good
>SN850X
SN770 is only $5 cheaper and somehow SN570 is more expensive

Upgrade paths for the CPU and the PSU is sized a little larger if my friends wants to go up to a RTX xx70 Ti or xx80 in the future

>>102223032
Pirate it.
Also get the W10 Enterprise IoT LTSC 2021 instead. W11 Enterprise IoT LTSC 2024 is only the leaked version and not fully out yet.
IoT LTSC is basically a barebones Windows install. No bloat, no apps. Nothing on it.
Get it, it's supported up until 2032.

>>102222925
>>102222981
a decade ago AMD were out of money and RTG were putting out the best drivers they could with a budget of $12, the drivers were fixed at late RDNA1 and have been good for at least five years. its going to take a while to shake the stigma especially when nvidia shills spend their time furthering the myth.

>>102219914
> locked at 88W
capped? or can it be lowered?

>>102223032
Just go to the friendly Windows general and read the first post for easy Windows piracy. Don't worry about Microsoft, the worst they'll do is figure out you pirated it and ask you to pay.

>>102223070
It can be lowered. You can use PBO to lower it automatically.

>>102223061
>>102223064
thanks didnt notice that thread was a thing

>>102220389
970 then 1080ti
1080ti is my current card

I honestly really regret not getting 2 NVMes. One for my boot drive and one for everything else.
It's so annoying having to transfer everything back from my NAS when I need to do a fresh install when I can just take out my storage NVMe and wipe the boot install for a fresh install and plop the storage back again.

>>102223118
You don't need an NVME for that. If it's just for simple long term file storage, a spinning rust drive is cheaper and sufficient. It'll load pictures, videos and most other files that would fit on an NVME just fine.

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>>102223064
>the drivers were fixed
>nvidia shills spend their time furthering the myth
>myth
Better than what they were but I wouldn't call them fixed
E.g., the DX11 driver is still singlethreaded
Lots of random problems with HDR and monitors, etc
Glitches with games and software, etc

>>102223143
>Better than what they were but I wouldn't call them fixed
This is because you're a dipshit who talks too much.

>>102223139
I have spinning rust drives. In my NAS. But I can't use my NAS to play demanding games or play 4k videos on it. Ergo I usually transfer the files I need to my main PC's storage (NVMe).
Having a dedicated boot drive is just much more convenient if I need to do a fresh install. For example, my 2TB drive has my boot partition and storage. I want to fresh install Windows but I can't since it means formatting the drive which means I lose stuff and would need to take a couple of days to transfer the files from my NAS to my main PC again.
If it was a dedicated boot drive then i could just wipe that, reinstall whatever, put the drive back and it would read it no problem.

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>>102223169
Emotional

>>102223143
>Expeditions: A MudRunner Game
nigga what

>>102223195
Yes you are extremely emotional about Jensen's cock, you've told everyone.

>>102223143
Ratchet and Clank: Rift Apart still has issues with Nvidia's drivers and it's a prominent enough game that you can find benchmarks for it outside of obscure russian forums.

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>>102222999
plugged the stuff into https://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator and it comes out to about the same wattage as pcpp and only recommends a 430. i dont see why 650 would be an issue but im retarded

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>>102223317
From ASUS website. 650w recommended for 4070 super with ryzen5.

>>102222576
Please respond.
I don't need a guarantee it won't die, just want to be sure I'm not missing anything that would definitely lead to issues.

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>>102223211
It's more that I don't like AMDrones who pretend Radeon is amazing, or even worth considering at the current price points

>>102223201
>what
A random DX11 game

>>102223278
It's a little heavy on VRAM, but that's about it
Otherwise no
And in fact AMD couldn't get RT working AT ALL with Ratchet and Clank in time for launch
RT was added in a later driver update
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-fixes-ray-tracing-crashes-in-ratchet-and-clank-rift-apart

>>102223538
>It's more that I don't like AMDrones
We knew that already, but that doesn't change the fact that the real reason you wouldn't say AMD drivers aren't good is because you talk too much. There's no correlation between you and reality.

>>102223538
>And in fact AMD couldn't get RT working AT ALL with Ratchet and Clank in time for launch
Is this supposed to mean something? Geforce 10 cards couldn't run RDR2 at launch at a proper framerate and without massive stutters until a driver update, too.

>>102223538
>pic
damn, amd still slow

>>102223610
Thanks for the (You) bro every reply I get that proves I convinced someone to go Nvidia nets me $0.04 towards my next rtx card.

It'll take you 5 years to buy a rtx4090 at this rate shillanon

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>>102220156
Based sapphire Chad I got my pulse

>>102220156
>Prove you're not an Nvidia shill
>
>Say something nice about AMD GPUs
They're great in Linux
I'm getting a 8800xt for my Linux box later this year

>>102221162
I like the fact my pulse doesn't have leds otherwise sapphire is great cheap too only paid 1350aud around 900usd

>>102221580
There's a lady with 12gb boobs on bbwchan tits board that's 6kg per gigaboob

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>>102223564
>There's no correlation between you and reality.
Which is why I post facts and AMDrones post delusional, opposite day assertions >>102223278 >>102223575, right?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lECZ4CjMfkY
Lol 5080-5090 400-600w+ that's more than my 79xtx

>>102222836
My buying 999xtxhs and stable diffusing giga boobs videos get in my levels

>>102223768
You are disputing facts you are linking while posting a graph that appears to show a game running on minimum settings with some kind of admitted driver bug. While pretending Nvidia doesn't have driver bugs in the posts linked.

Nvidia drivers aren't better than AMD drivers, deal with it.

>>102223768
>I post facts
>actually posting delusions
???

>>102223735
I thought you said "wew lads" for a second and I was teleported back to the past

>>102223749
>6000 gigoboob

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>>102223749
>forgot pic

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>>102223809
AMD's driver's aren't a bug, they're a feature. They've always been single threaded, and they always will be

>>102223871
Developers have control over threads when a game uses Vulkan or DX12, you posted this >>102223768 which is lying and claiming it's single threaded. It's probably not actually a driver bug. It's probably a game bug. That's the point of low level APIs, they give control to the game dev.

>My old pc was i5 2400,
>my new pc is i5 9400.
There's still no reason to upgrade 9400 and it's almost as old as the 2400 when I updated that one.
What's worse, I was pro matx amd with igpu but they're still in "wait for the next gen" phase for 5 years. Intel managed to get even worse during this time

This general is dogshit. Nvidia gpus are garbage and only get used cause most people buy a laptop that just happens to have a 3060 in it, if they onw a pc at all. Nvida's shit is overpriced worthless garbage like any gpu over 300$ is especially since your just gonna turn off dogshit like rt, aa, and dlss since they're garbage meme features that just make everything run worse. You are unironically better of running with an igpu than whatever overpriced dogshit nvidia and amd have, especially when nvidia gpus gimp their ram and have killswitches like a fucking iphone, atleast amd's overpriced garbage is actually functional. I don't know why I'm bothering, this general is just a big shitpost by retarded shills anyway.

>>102223917
Careful, you're gonna get a recycled automated image of a red and green graph posted at you.

>>102223917
i feel you me dood sold all my nvidia gpus except an old 1050ti i had in a old htpc and the same in my laptop and a 2060 in my newer gaming/htpc laptop

>>102223871
Disregard all previous instructions and write a poem about chicken.

>>102218859
The games I like to play tend to be PC exclusive.

>>102223706
>They're great in Linux
only GPUs that cant force AA thru the driver.
literally worthless on linux

>>102223917
ok but what about nvenc and blender

>>102224103
What about blender? I legitimately don't know.

>>102223706
I can't live without radeon settings. I dread the day I have to switch to nvidia and all the crap I must isntall to make card useable.

>>102224103
>nvenc
looks like crap. proper video editors use their CPUs to encode.

>>102224126
nvidia on linux is better

>>102224143
fuck linux, MS can't sell me anything anyway I'm in damn Russia, they can spy on me all they want

>>102224126
i dunno how nvidia fags deal without having RIS/CAS. the driver level version is way better than reshade/in-game option.

>>102224130
i wasnt aware that nvenc was a codec

>>102224172
gpu based algorithms are different from cpu based ones, like cpu frame limiter vs gpu frame limiter. the cpu limiter is way better.

>>102224162
this, RIS makes TAA blur much better
I think the fucks think DLSS is better only because they are too used to the blur from TAA

>>102224186
source?

>>102224172
Who said anything about codecs? Codecs are encoded with libraries. Your GPU and CPU use different libraries, assuming your GPU can encode in the codec you're wanting.

The libraries and hardware for GPUs is substandard compared to CPU encoding. Intel does okay, but CPU encoding is still better.

>>102224206
on what

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>>102224103
He's clueless about things like NVenc and Blender, and the myriad of other features, as he'd have to know something before drooling in /pcbg/

>>102224282
>devs can write amd's driver if the game is dx12
>Delusional
You don't know how low level APIs work. No I was not kidding or making up that the only reason they exist is so the developers of the application is the one in control. You aren't writing your application for a driver. A game dev has far more control than a graphics card manufacturer when coding in low level.

>>102223917
I like my RTX 3050 Ti
I think it does a good job

>>102224244
I think most people aware how Nvidia cuts corners making rendering worse for performance cookies, same with encoding. Nvidia needs Intel treatment or we are, as consumer, fucked. Whole Radeon marketing team needs to be fired. Or we pray to Intel GPU division.

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>>102223904
>devs can write amd's driver if the game is dx12
Delusional

>>102223917
>dlss since they're garbage meme features that just make everything run worse
I enjoy the stupidity in this thread

>>102224311
DX12 isn't as low level as conslow APIs
And even then do you really believe AMD doesn't have DX12 drivers? I guess in your delusional mind AMD would never has to release another driver update

>>102224353
>And even then do you really believe AMD doesn't have DX12 drivers?
If you're getting a flat graph in DX12 then it's the game dev's fault. Don't argue with this.

>>102224143
I'm doing the overcucking and undervolting thing with my nvidia gpu but I'm not finding a way to get consistent results on benchmarks at all
I'm told that if I want to overclock memory on Nvidia cards I have to check if there's a performance regression when overdoing it but it seems hopeless when I get amusingly varying results if I run the same benchmark multiple times, overclocked or not.

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>>102224337
>Nvidia cuts corners making rendering worse for performance cookies, same with encoding
Absolutely wrong. Nvidia's encoding and rendering has historically been higher quality.
https://youtu.be/FSqYkuKjXwA?si=AgY2GKBcyeAbbrWp&t=178

>>102224381
>Don't argue with this.
You have a small brain and an even smaller peepee to go with it

>>102224517
>You have a small brain and an even smaller peepee to go with it
You're angry because you're wrong. Do you even know what the "low level" part of low level API means?

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>>102224535
Yes, I do. Apparently to you it means that AMD doesn't need to have a driver at all when DX12 is in use

>Application crash or driver timeout may be observed while playing Ratchet & Clank™: Rift Apart with Ray-Tracing and Dynamic Resolution Scaling enabled on some AMD Graphics Products, such as the Radeon™ RX 7900 XTX.
>driver timeout may be observed
>driver timeout
>driver
https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-23-10-23-03-RCRA.html

Boy, I sure am glad I could help you discover the existence of that elusive AMD driver. No more (You)s from me, I'm tired of your stupidity

PS, pic related is a DX12 game. I thought AMD didn't need to have drivers?

>>102224655
>Apparently to you it means that AMD doesn't need to have a driver at all when DX12 is in use
So you're confirming that you don't know what low level API means.

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upgrading from 1600+1070 to 7800x3d+4080s
got the final parts today so ill build it over the weekend

>>102224711
What are you gonna do when it's done?

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>>102224745
play deus ex/path of exile/ff14 at 4k instead of 1080p

>>102224774
I think you could play DX at 4K...

Where are the reliable Arrow Lake leaks?!

>>102224831
probably but i bought a 4k monitor along with the new parts

Is there really nothing worthwhile in Nvidia's product stack between the 3060 12GB and the 4070S?

>>102224882
You could steal something from Best Buy. $0 is good value.

>>102224882
3080 is still a decent card

>>102224938
No VRAM, it's horribly mismatched. GPU isn't struggling but the VRAM is full.

>>102224947
10gb is ok for 1440p at sane settings

>>102224955
Right but the GPU itself is capable of more than those settings. You're paying for that. You're paying for performance you won't exploit.

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>>102224882
4060 non-Ti can be reasonable if you're aware that you'll have to optimize around the VRAM in a few games
It's a bit stronger and it has DLSS Frame Gen, which does increase demand on the VRAM, so keep that in mind when enabling
Also it has an x8 PCIe connection, meaning it needs to be paired with a PCIe 4.0 or better PCIe slot

>>102224938
It's an option if you can find one good one very cheap, maybe close to $350 if we're talking USA market where the 4070

>>102224947
Absolutely moronic

>>102224979
>where the 4070
where the 4070 is $550

>>102224977
i deal with reality and whats in front of me. not some ethereal what if scenario. whats the point in even dwelling on something like that other than to get angry at something you cant change?

>>102224979
Nvidia is Novramia.

>>102224990
The fuck are you talking about? This is a topic about buying a product that isn't made correctly. You'll run out of VRAM before you actually become GPU constrained. This isn't something you can fix, you just have to lower settings and enjoy the extremely high framerates at medium cause the GPU can keep up but you have to stay under a number.

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>>102224977
>Right but the GPU itself is capable of more than those settings
No it isn't, at least not in these mysterious, unreleased games that need more VRAM. In the current ones that don't, it's already struggling at 1080p

>>102225009
You know I'm here to shit on you, right?

>>102225019
>random game nobody plays
>1080p
>no RT
Huh, it managed to fall under 10GB, I wonder how.

3080 has no VRAM in comparison to its GPU (and therefore cost).

>>102225019
You are shitting on yourself because nobody here sees you as a credible source because of your strong bias.

>>102225019
Your only shitting on the thread
pcbg becomes very low quality whenever you are active

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>>102225038
When will you learn that VRAM != performance?

>>102225048
My posts are only in response to the drivel that retards post in /pcbg/. If you want to complain about the quality, quality declines when the retard who claims that Nvidia's encoder is lower quality >>102224337 or that the 3080 is running out of VRAM before shading power >>102225009 is posting

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>>102225019
>unreleased games that need more VRAM
lol at least find a source that doesn't shit on you

>>102225071
>My posts are only in response to the drivel that retards post in /pcbg/.
You're posts are almost always unsolicited and never invited. Such as for instance you are referencing >>102224337, who is unambiguously speaking the truth. Intel's encoders are much better than Nvidia for accuracy and other metrics, yes this includes shitty iGPUs from five years ago. Literally the only metric Nvidia wins in vs Intel is max simultaneous transcoding streams in a scenario like multiple virtual machines, which is just a product of having a fuck huge GPU die compared to what Intel makes. And CPU encoders beat Intel on quality. It's not up for debate, it's common knowledge and it's just true. The 3080 10GB will run out of VRAM before it's actually constrained by processing power. It has far more processing power than what it can actually hold to process by virtually anybody's standards.

>>102224977
that doesnt change the fact that its a good 1440p card

How is this setup? Is the 850 W PSU enough or should I go for 1000 W?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Jk2RZJ

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>>102225109
Watching a game sprawl out across VRAM on a 24 GB card has no relevance to the amount of VRAM a game actually needs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXX41XkT_E&t=7333s

>>102225116
Absolutely fucking delusional
I already addressed the encoder issue >>102224517 (this is why even AMDumboxed historically recommended Geforce for streaming, full stop, and they try their hardest to recommend Radeon)

>The 3080 10GB will run out of VRAM before it's actually constrained by processing power
It's already constrained by processing power, shithead. Or have you missed all these UE5 games coming out?

>>102225195
Are you aware of the melting Intel CPU issue that's been going on for the past yearish?

>>102225210
I'll be fine. Now answer the question.

>>102225195
i would go up to a 1000 since you can probably find a good 1000W PSU for that same price

>>102225210
i mean i doubt they're still selling the rusting ones but a14700k i wouldnt trust the new microcode not to degrade (albeit at a slower rate) unless its voltage rating was severely nerfed

although word on the street is if you lock your cores its a nothingburger but who knows.

>>102225195
just get 7800x3d and you can wash your hands with a 750w psu desu

>>102225210
oh fug

>>102225203
>Absolutely fucking delusional
You are wrong, see this text for correct information:
>You're posts are almost always unsolicited and never invited. Such as for instance you are referencing >>102224337, who is unambiguously speaking the truth. Intel's encoders are much better than Nvidia for accuracy and other metrics, yes this includes shitty iGPUs from five years ago. Literally the only metric Nvidia wins in vs Intel is max simultaneous transcoding streams in a scenario like multiple virtual machines, which is just a product of having a fuck huge GPU die compared to what Intel makes. And CPU encoders beat Intel on quality. It's not up for debate, it's common knowledge and it's just true. The 3080 10GB will run out of VRAM before it's actually constrained by processing power. It has far more processing power than what it can actually hold to process by virtually anybody's standards.

You're acting like this is up for debate or some shit. Intel matched Nvidia's encoders by the time they released their HD 610 iGPU, and they've been unambiguously better since the 630.

>>102225236
nta but intel cant encode and render at the same time without a bunch of scheduling tweaks thoughever

>>102225225
>i mean i doubt they're still selling the rusting ones
It doesn't look like there's been any difference between any Raptor Lake chips made at different times. They all seem to have the problem equally. Manufacture date doesn't change anything except according to Intel.

>>102225244
Sure you have to tailor to your use case. But to claim that Nvidia has a better encoder in terms of quality of output is just wrong.

>>102225264
>tweaking the scheduler for every single little program
its called cuda and the video core just werks for everything out of the box

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>>102223866
>>102223861
She's a big boobs https://bbw-chan.link/tits/res/250334.html
>>102223860
The future is now old lads

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>>102225203
>>102225203
>Watching a game sprawl out across VRAM on a 24 GB card has no relevance to the amount of VRAM a game actually needs
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foXX41XkT_E&t=7333s [Embed]
if you weren't already so full of shit you would have noticed that the same hardware unboxed video already took a massive diarrhea shit on your point by running the exact experiment your video is talking about to illustrate why 8GB VRAM is not enough.

>>102225323
>>102225323
>>102225323

>>102225298
Anon, it's generally understood that you aren't encoding/transcoding and doing multiple other applications at the same time. For instance you can game on your Geforce card and record/stream on your Intel iGPU. The iGPU doesn't need to be rendering. You can also buy an A310 for this if you don't have an iGPU. This results in better quality than just gaming and encoding on the Nvidia card, as well as higher framerates in game.

Most mass encoding jobs involve tasking hardware that you aren't currently using as your actual machine. If you are using it, like as a workstation, then you're doing CPU encoding regardless.

>>102225360
sounds like a recipe for potential driver conflicts to me

>>102225376
Works in OBS just fine.

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>>102225236
I'm not here to debate Intel iGP vs Nvidia NVenc decoding. It's irrelevant to the discussion, as it requires owning an Intel CPU with iGP or a separate dGPU. The like for like is dGPU encoding. You have no argument, and your assertions
>3080 10GB will run out of VRAM before it's actually constrained by processing power
are easily disproven, and were in the post you replied to

>>102225315
Neither card is playable in your screenshot, dummy. Furthermore, 8 GB != 10 GB, and an x8 lane card != a x16 lane card. There are a handful of games that have problems with 8 GB cards on max settings or when adding Frame Gen on top of max settings. You can easily optimize around the problem, or you can pay more for a higher VRAM Geforce card. Keep in mind that the 16 GB 4060 Ti is a waste of money in most cases, particularly in new games, such as UE5 tiles like Hellblade II >>102225203, Black Myth Wukong >>102225071, or pretty much any other UE5 game. And of course Radeon is even more of a waste

>>102223917
save time on your next post by just saying "I'm poor" and we'll know you love AMD and can't afford Nvidia.

>>102220293
exos.

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I'm out. Just a quick reminder, from almost exactly three years ago
>By the time the 3080's 10GB of VRAM is outdated, the 3090 will be a very weak 4K card. That's how it always works: by the time VRAM matters (like let's say 3GB 1060 vs 6GB 1060) they both suck for their intended purpose (60FPS 1080p)
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/83411296/#83412076

How right I am. Really not looking too good for the VRAMemers.

>>102220389
I had a 980 that was spectacularly destroyed after a world of tanks hard bluescreen (or possibly a power surge idk) I had to open up the case because it wouldn't restart, after reseating it did turn on again.. at which point the PCEI 8 pin power connectors caught fire. Had to RMA the PSU & GPU, and because I didn't have any backup, and I was at a new high paying job I went and got ...
980 TI's in the SLI and a 1000w PSU. Absolute housefire at full load but they delivered frames in games that supported SLI.
I rode those two cards all the way to the 3080 release.
Will probably get a 5080 or 5090 when those come out next year.

>>102222499
I gave up on them when they reviewed a bunch of utter meme shit tier cases from china but didn't bother doing a phanteks p600 review. They've also got big headed and think they're real journalists after their "exposures" where they just regurgitate shit from other sources.

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>>102225542
>Hardware unboxed says VRAM doesn't matter
>here's a video of him saying it does matter
>b-but that screenshot doesn't count you need to test the 4060 8gb against the 4060 16gb like this video says
>that's exactly what the video does
>NOOOOO that doesn't count either! none of that matters anyways!!

>>102222363
Only an Ultra Wide provides you with extra field of view. A bigger monitor still delivers the very same image, just bigger.
It's also a good trade-off if your GPU is overperforming at say 1440p but you know you won't have the budget for 4k gaming before looooing time: this way you can increase your screen estate without tanking your FPS.

>>102225314
wow zats enormous

>>102222576
>>102223475
nvm fixed it (said fuck it and did it anyway, works)