>>102296342
shit OP again.

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be honest, who here forgot to take the plastic peel off their cpu cooler?

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>>102296342
Finally some sensible GPU recs, thank you

>>102296342
Good OP again :)

>>102296349
Your OP is dogshit

>>102296350
the only thing i ever forget to do is cable management and plugging in the power button

>>102296342
>Premium: Samsung 990 Pro
Uhhhh?

>>102296342
>tranny lights

>>102296346
Not for the S version. The regular one has a few.

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It’s built, now I have to watch “memory training” and see if this has the same problem my z270 board had where it would apply some kind of insane ram profile and never boot a second time

Can somebody tell me where I can buy an Asrock b650 Steel Legend? I can't find that board anywhere.

>>102296407
>four dimms
nigger what the fuck are you doing

$250 midrange GPUs, whatever happened there

>>102296439
Crypto Boom!

>>102296439
WE DIDNT LISTEN

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>>102296422
192gb of ram
And yeah it did the exact thing I thought it was going to do, booted to the bios once, ram speed isn’t great, won’t post a second time
Gonna reset, let it memory train again, and set one of the ram profiles

>>102296439
you can get a used 2080 for that and thats your midrange

>>102296456
>4x48 on B650
retard. refund and get an x670e, it's the only way you're going to make that work faster than like 4200

>>102296472
I’m not really bothered if it’s not fast, I’d just like the quantity to work
And so far it’s not working

>>102296499
try like c46 and 3200 or something outrageous then

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how do i use the wide gamut color range on my monitor without getting oversaturated cartoon colors ?

i do have a i1 display pro for calibrating.

>>102296513
turn hdr off

>>102296513
I dunno about Nvidia GPU but for AMD you go in the control pane land enable the highest color depth, highest pixel format, turn off display color enhancement, and use a calibrated icm profile.

>>102296439
Integrated graphics have become good enough for people who used to buy video cards in that price range that discrete graphics aren't needed. Now a true midrange would be a 4070 which is $600 and makes sense for what it is. 4060 for $300 is fine but I'd bet a good chunk of people buying them don't game at all. PC is better but it's expensive. If you want a budget gaming PC, get a console instead.

>>102296342
I saw this on leddit

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return to tradition

>>102296630
I want an AI pc to be quite honest with you
>>102296636
This is insane. We are the aliens all along.

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is this shit legit? This vendor its selling the 4070 Super at 550usd. How often the amazon vendors are scammers?

>>102296651
Then wait for our Israeli friends to release Arrow Lake-S in October.

>>102296686
Are you really willing to risk being scammed to save $50 off MSRP?

>>102296695
thats why I'm asking, how common are these scammers on Amazon?

>>102296715
very common

Why is DLSS so much better what is it doing differently? I'm basing this off that starfield picture I saw in the last thread.

For emulators is it better to have a CPU with more cores or one with fewer but faster cores? Would something like the 7800X3D be a better choice or a 9950X instead?

Is HDR worth fussing about or is it a personal taste kind of thing, I keep trying to do A/B screenshots but I can't tell whether its "better" or not

>>102296342
>>1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
this cannot be accurate

>>102296768
HDR is best for video and maybe games but I have different devices which do and don't have HDR and I honestly don't care either way.

>>102296768
If you dont have a OLED or 800 nits and better display then turn it off.

>>102296766
7800X3D

>>102296759
Machine learning upscaling. XESS does the same on Intel GPUs which is why it looks better than FSR.

>>102296422
they wouldnt put 4 slots if you werent supposed to use them

>>102296456
Are you sure the memory controller on that CPU is good enough to handle that ram configuration

>>102296715
Never buy a GPU on Amazon unless it's shipped and sold by Amazon. Retarded prices and scams nonstop. Seems to only be an issues with GPUs too.

>>102296472
>muh ram meggerhertz

>>102296513
>a i1

>>102296838
they put four slots for retarded boomer consumers like yourself who can't keep up with tech changes so have to have four populated dimms

>>102296846
the Zen memory controller is fine, its literally just DDR5 being retarded at running properly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8XLvZTqyX8

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>>102296808
>If you dont have a OLED or 800 nits and better display then turn it off.
This was my understanding as well when it comes to HDR but then I actually tried it on my screen which honestly isn't that great specification wise (I never bought it for HDR in the first place), but I tried it last night and I actually liked it somewhat yet at the same time was really struggling to notice a massive difference with A/B testing which I might need to do more of tonight. Making me consider selling this and buying an OLED panel with decent HDR.

>>102296768
>I keep trying to do A/B screenshots
You literal retard you can't see HDR on your current monitor if it's SDR. And if you can't tell the difference between HDR and SDR on an HDR monitor you are blind

>>102296874
>on an HDR monitor
on a true HDR monitor*

>>102296872
If you like non accurate vivid colors then it might be okay but it absolutely crushes contrast. It really depends on the content.

>>102296768
>Is HDR worth fussing about
Not on a goddman monitor I hate monitors so damn much

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>>102296636
Supermicro boards are the closest you're going to get.
They are really good too.

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>>102296872
HDR tries to exaggerate the difference in gamma between the darkest darks and brightest brights. When A/B'ing everything make sure it's not crushing shadow detail or blowing out bright highlight details as those are areas where insufficient hardware support is most likely to manifest drawbacks.

>>102296859
uhhhhh akshually its megatransfers

thoughts on contact frames and thermal pads as opposed to paste
are they worth it if i do frequent disassembly for maintenance/cleaning and squeezing out every bit of extra temps
any recommended brands or are they all pretty much the same

>>102296866
>having more RAM is for boomers
k

>>102296942
Thanks, this definitely gives me a point of reference for testing

>>102296979
just slap acrtic mx-6 and you're done. the whole contact frame stuff seems like minmax shit. like putting weights or washers on your gpu to get better thermal contact.

>>102296979
I've only used paste I've seen no reason to do anything else. Contact frames have been shown to work if you are autistic enough to care about it.

Do you mean those graphene sheets? If you are doing that much disassembly can't hurt trying one. There are those PTM sheets but that's more for set and forget than frequent changing.

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>>102297027
NP, you'll notice on the left side of the example image in >>102296942 that the sky/sunset looks deeper with more lush colors especially near the clouds and sun. Looks great right? That's the "vivid/torch mode" effect of first-glace HDR we all naturally attracted to, but then look the shore rocks whereas you can see all the textural nooks and crannies on the right it just becomes one giant amorphous black blob on the left.

Here's another example of a failure at the opposite end of the gamma curve. The left line graphs of the same frame just measure their brightness levels under different settings. Badly setup HDR wants to pump up the brightness in really bright scene sections but ends up clipping details from adjacent areas that would otherwise already be on the cusp of the limit. You can this in action in how the bottom ocean spray and foam still has loads of waves and texture but becomes almost like a featureless blanket of snow on the water in the top frame being "blown out" so much.

See this (timestamp @ 10:18) for tips on proper PC HDR configuration setup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq3_XvjvQCE&t=618s
In general, unless you are viewing a true HDR-graded video or HDR game you should also leave it off otherwise as the default Windows desktop and webpages are SDR and will look wrong otherwise. Also there are competing HDR standards in a sort of brand war going right now that make it a mess of which, if any HDR setting, to apply on top of general lackluster monitor hardware support:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/pc-gaming-hdr-problem-a-way-out/

>computer insanely loud
>case feels like a radiator
>open case
>exhaust pointed the wrong way
>GPU set to OC instead of Silent
I was getting flashbacks to the R9 290 days. Sounded like a fucking vacuum in there.

>>102297242
Good read thanks, I'll temper my expectations accordingly

I think next gen AMD is going to be really interesting. They have a full feature stack this time around. 3rd Gen RT, 2nd Gen AI cores, Driver Level Framegen, FSR 3.1 upscaling, a good amount of vram, and day 0 Linux drivers.

should i assembly and try outside the case or just rawdog it and put it immediately into the case?

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>>102296927
the one I posted is a Gigabyte AM5 workstation board and Asus do a range of green PCB business boards

>>102297369
RDNA5 is going to be interesting because CDNA is being merged back into the architecture.

>>102297419
I've been building and working on computers for 10 years now and I still don't know the answer to this, some things are easier to do outside and some are easier inside, and depends on your parts as well
Just be yourself and do whatever feels right?

>>102297369
I'm not seeing anything good about that

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Which one guys?

>>102297459
Galax (cheaper but probably a little louder) or ASUS Dual

>>102297459
def wait for 5080

>>102297459
whichever one has a metal backplate

>>102297429
Legit source or you're gay

>>102296770
The GPU section has been destroyed thanks to someone messing with the OPs when he makes threads. It's telling that neither of the best Radeons, the 7800XT or 7900GRE, are on the list while the overpriced 7700XT is.

>>102297459
msi looks least gay

>>102296630
You are a monetary cuckold

>>102297459
Ventus 2X OC owner here. Very quiet, good temps. No complaints.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-deprioritizing-flagship-gaming-gpus-jack-hyunh-talks-new-strategy-for-gaming-market

Since amd has been sharted out of the gpu race what could they do to differentiate themselves in a space where the competition beats them in every aspect.

Focus on the cpus with strong ipgpus for low, low end?
Try make a consolified pre-built pc with small form factor with microsoft, then with handhelds for valve.
Their marketshare in the desktop gpu space might not warrant the rnd as they need to price the cards like 25% cheaper than equivalent nvidia raster gpu to trick some teens into buying them, and that would just leave their competition with much higher margins.
Lobby usa government to force nvidia to share licenses/tech that even the playing field?
focus on the laptop market as intel is imploding?
Servers?

anons I need a 75w GPU and currently my best option is a 3050 6gb, a few threads ago an anon said i can use a 4060 and just undervolt it. Is that possible and how bad of a performance drop would I get. I do light gaming dota apex and a bit of monster hunter

>>102297663
why do you need a 75w gpu

>>102297652
They just 3d stack L3 cache on the GPU die and beat Nvidia easily. Your next GPU is a X3D GPU.

>>102297679
I dont think l3 cache does much when you have 17 thousand cores doing shading for a pixel

>>102297679
this really crazy news to me and my family in Kerala bro. we going to make it now

>>102297695
L3 cache is so OP that AMD had to nerf it the size amount from 6000 to 7000.
This time they have 3rd gen version of it and they double the capacity. Sounds kinda like a Zen3 X3D moment.

>>102297673
I inherited a friends pc that has a 5600g and a 450watt psu. I want to get a gpu but getting a regular one would mean I also have to get a better psu

>>102297419
Pretty much everything that is solely attached to the motherboard can be done outside but, instead of inside/outside try to think in layers. For example: You don't want to get stuck trying to plug in your CPU power when it's wedged in a corner behind a radiator.

>>102297725
I've done this dance before, it's honestly a waste of time and money to not just properly upgrade your power supply to an adequate level of graphical performance that you want.

>>102297725
the cpu prob eats around 50watts, it leaves quite a bit of headroom
like 4070 super at 220w might not even require much underclocking

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>>102296630
60 series should be $200-250
70 should be $450-500
80 should be $700-800
90 should be ~$1000

simple as.

>>102297715
>increasing the CPU's total L3 cache capacity to 96MB and bringing significant performance improvements for gaming in particular; now rivalling contemporary high-end consumer processors while being much more power efficient and running on older, cheaper motherboards using affordable DDR4 memory.
>improvements to gaming in particular
the sector amd needs to dominate
>rivaling comtemproary high-end
nvidia
>more power efficient
no more chiplets
>running on older memory
gddr6 instead of gddr6x

>>102297732(Me)
The instant I hit post I thought maybe he meant TEST outside the case... In that case, only if your not time limited lol.

>>102297745
They are doing you a favor by still choosing to make consumer GPUs bwo.

>>102297736
>>102297743
Guess I should hold off on the gpu till i get enough to buy a psu aswell.

A 3060 and 650w would land me around $400
anyways thanks anons

>>102297732
>>102297440
ive got aio if i want to test outside the case i would have to uninstall the aio before moving into the case later right?
so it would be something like
cpu in mobo -> aio install -> test -> aio uninstall -> mount radiator+fans to case -> mount mobo in case -> mount cooler to mobo?

>>102297541
Thats the Eagle (Gigabyte)
>>102297470
What about gigabyte eagle vs asus?

When are motherboards for Arrow Lake going on sale?
Are there any that are doing CAMM2?

>>102297774
no they aren't, or they wouldn't be doing it.

its either financially worth it to them, or a PR dodge for not pissing off your original customer base that's worth the money lost.

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>>102297587
>says retard you
Meanwhile in reality, the cheapest 7700 XT is $360 and the cheapest 7800 XT is $470, a 30% increase in price, for a measly 18% increase in performance

But you're right, OP is definitely retarded because he lists Radeon graphics cards right next to Gefrorce cards, as if Radeon garbage is anything close to Geforce

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>I want to build the best products at the right system price point. So, think about price point-wise; we’ll have leadership.
> AMD's SvP and GM of the Computing and Graphics Business Group, Jack Huynh
AMDopium strikes again! He gives us hope just to drop us back into abyss of despair.

>>102297745
RTX 5060 with 5% the performance of the full x02 die $250
RTX 5070 with 15% the performance $500
RTX 5080 with 30% the performance $800
RTX 5090 with 55% the performance $1000
Blackwell titan 95% performance $5000
If you complain or imply any of these cards should be named differently that's deadnaming, a transphobic crime. Buy now to own the transphobic chuds

>>102297817
I suppose that would be safer? My AiO was a cunt to get on to the motherboard so I did it outside the case, installed the motherboard with the AiO attached and installed the radiator + fans last. I was just extra careful with the tubing avoiding any pulling pressures.

So now that amd isnt doing high end gpus anymore should i keep my 79xtx for a long time? Not keen on going back to nvidia and intel has about a decade worth of catching up to do

>>102297774
It's still half of their revenue.

>>102297884
There is a 30% chance they will release a 7900xtx killer in a form of 8800xt for $700-ish. So we don't need to change anything until RDNA5.

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>>102297884
>my 79xtx

What are some excellent cpu and gpu temps on idle, stress test and gaming?

>>102297884
>79xtx
winter is coming it will make an excellent heater

>>102297817
Are you just testing for leaks? You can do link related and start the pump by itself.
https://www.silverstonetek.com/upload/downloads/QA/PSU/PSU-Paper%20Clip-EN.pdf

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYPr9L_7UuE

These are the best graphics ever, the HDR is amazing and the graphics are better than crysis bioshock halo 3 and all other next gen games. RTX 4090 in SLI mode!

dynamic day and night cycle, interactive environment, diffuse transmission, real-time soft shadows, soft particles, destructable environments, volumetric clouds, real-time ambient maps, dynamic soft shadows, lightbeams, long range viewdistance, parallax occlusion mapping, 3d ocean technology, facial animation, parametric skeletal animation system, procedural motion warping, object motion blur, depth of field, rope physics, component vehicle damage,

9800gx2 fucking 9800gtx baby! This is with a GTX 280 GTX280 GTX295 GTX 290 motherfucking fucking nvidia GTX 260 bitch! 4870 and 4850 and dx11 suck my dx10 balls man crysis sucks dude!!

>>102297908
CPU Ideal is closest to ambient at idle, which never happens. Normally it's 40-45C'.
At 40-60% aka gaming you want to hover aorund 60-65C tops.
Stress test? whatever, unless it goes beyond 95C'
GPU smae thing on idle if fans do not spin, most GPUs don't sping the fans under 50C'.
Gaming varies, 99% load you want to keep it under 95C' hot spot, and the important bit is the delta between GPU and hot spot temp, should be around 20-24C', so if hot spot is 90 GPU temps should be 70-ish.

>>102297938
Yeah but then you have to deal with retarded npcs and daily/weekly/monthly subscriptions

>>102297943
idle cpu and gpu 27C
gaming test1 51C cpu 50C cpu
Cinebench average 67C cpu

Guess I'm fine.

>>102297992
>idle cpu and gpu 27C
are you living in iceland, is you room 18C'?

>>102298016
room temp is 23C

>>102296991
I mean it kind of is. These days it's more about MHz and CL than raw GB of RAM.

>>102298016
kek your post makes me miss my FX 6300 that used to "idle at 3°C" whilst overclocked to 4.5GHz.

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are these better than Lian li TL 120's? Ive heard they are quieter but seeing as how they dont have reverse blad versions yet they dont seem worth picking up

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>>102296456
yeah 192gb didnt work well at all, think i might be stuck at 96gb for now
ill try some other stuff with that later, it might just need some stupidly long boot time

ive had the same windows 10 install media since it first came out, i dont know what version it is exactly, "old af"
it takes two business days to do all the windows updates to escape that

>>102298026
due to chiplets IHS doesn't work as well, and they do not plan to fix it, because why would they 40C is warm water temp and on Intel side heat isn't consistent across the die either because of e-cores

>>102298024
MHz matters for AI if you're using your CPU like a pleb, timings are literally irrelevant.

>>102298034
jsut get a pack of arctic cooling f15s for a $10, Db difference is so small no normal human can notice it

AMD folx haven't been taking the news well at all
it's almost like everyone who isn't a terminal nvidia hater has been saying the way AMD prices their gpus is retarded
saving $50-$150 to go from nvidia to amd isn't worth it unless you literally have no disposable income at all in which case you have bigger problems

>>102298024
I lived on JEDEC speeds RAM for 6 years on ryzen CPU, MTs don't fucking matter at all unless you are a e sports fag or playing with AI at home, get a ral workstation if you do AI professionally.

>>102298060
It will be better now. AMD will make a new RX 580 that's the obvious choice for absolutely everyone that isn't actively trying to throw their money away.

>>102298060
$150 difference is very worth it until you reach 4080 territory

>>102296456
>>102298035
4 sticks on DDR5 will require manual tuning, there's no way it's going to work out of the box
you'll need to manually tweak voltages and resistances until everything matches up perfectly, and stress testing 192GB of memory is going to take forever

good luck

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>>102298060
Dunno, If I needed a GPU right now I'd get 7800xt for $600 instead of 4070ti for $1000.

>>102298060
Depends on country as well
7900XTX is like ~$200-400 cheaper than 4080 Super depending on what AIB's you're looking at
Actually looking at the major retailer in my country they're out of stock on a lot of AMD cards, Nvidia plentiful but really expensive

>>102298035
are you trying to run faster than JEDEC?

>>102298081
yeah im not looking forward to this one, it takes forever to "train" or whatever its doing on post
the first time i got it to post with 192gb it took like 5 minutes of black screen to get there

>>102296342
should i go 7900 xtx XFX 310 merc or powercolor red devil?
i like the red devil because it has bigger cooler and better quality?

>>102298116
They're both good cards I'd get whichever one is cheaper

>>102298105
the board isn't going to figure it out through training
you're gonna need to play around with VSOC, VDDP, ProcOdt and RTTs
i'm not familiar enough with AM5 to give you much advice on that, but it IS possible to run >5000 MHz with 192GB if you put in the work

>>102298092
$1000 vs $1500 here, 4080 super is expensive as fuck.

>>102298116
Find out when red devil was produced, early cards paste is fucked up you'd have to PTM it yourself. I have XT red devil, cooler is pretty great if it's later production date.

>>102298116
Powercolor has the coolest naming schemes, I wish they made nvidia cards. Get the Red Devil for name.

>>102298122
From what I've seen the red devil is around 10 decibel quieter than XFX which is kinda why i'm inclined towards it
>>102298126
do you have any idea what dates are ideal?

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>>102298085
>cherrypicked graph
Don't forget DLSS is better than native in Cyberpunk, which means every Geforce graphics card moves up a tier

>The in-game TAA solution also has shimmering issues on the whole image, even when standing still. All of these issues with the in-game TAA solution are resolved when DLAA, DLSS or XeSS are enabled, due to the better quality of their built-in anti-aliasing solution. Also, the sharpening filters in the DLAA, DLSS and XeSS render path can help to improve overall image quality. With DLSS and XeSS you can expect an improved level of detail rendered in vegetation and tree leaves in comparison to the in-game TAA solution. Small details in the distance, such as wires or thin steel objects, are rendered more correctly and completely in all Quality modes. With DLAA enabled, the overall image quality improvement goes even higher, rendering additional details, such as higher fidelity hair for example, compared to the in-game TAA solution, DLSS and XeSS. Also, both DLSS 3.1 and XeSS 1.1 handle ghosting quite well, even at extreme angles.

>The FSR 2.1 implementation comes with noticeable compromises in image quality. We spotted excessive shimmering and flickering on vegetation, tree leaves and thin steel objects; they are shimmering even when standing still and it is visible even at 4K FSR 2.1 Quality mode, which might be quite distracting for some people. Once you're switching from FSR 2.1 Quality mode to Balanced or Performance, the whole image will start to shimmer even more. The anti-aliasing quality is also inferior, as the overall image has more jagged lines in motion, especially visible behind cars while driving through the world and in vegetation. Also, in the current FSR 2.1 implementation ghosting issues are worse than both DLSS and XeSS at day time, and it is even more pronounced when there is a lack of lighting in the scene, as the FSR 2.1 image may have some black smearing behind moving objects at extreme angles.

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>>102296342
>1080p: RTX 4070 Super, RX 7700 XT
>1440p: RTX 4080 Super, RX 7900 XT
what the fuck is this madness

>>102298126
>$1000 vs $1500 here, 4080 super is expensive as fuck.
Damn, that sucks. You can get a 4080 super and a 7900 XTX for around the same price(depending on card selected), so they don't even really compare. I get why a lot of you guys go with AMD.

>>102298159
>>CASE FANS
>Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
>High end: Arctic P12/P14 (Max) (5-pack)

>>102298060
people pay more for nvidia because of reliability AMD cultist never ever acknowledge that

>>102298158
>the nvidiashill accusing anyone of a cherrypicked graph
my sides

>>102298159
Makes sense. New shit like le monkey game and alan wake 2 need those cards at those resolutions. And if you play old stuff you don't need new hardware anyways

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>>102298201
maybe I should switch my job from full stack to game "dev" since they did jack shit all day to optimize their "games".

>>102298182
pwm is botnet

4070 super is a ****p card

>>102296872
>be me
>have non-HDR, but quite bright screen
>tell mpv my screens brightness(ca 450nits) and contrast(ca 3000:1, its a VA)
>use tonemapping for HDR content
>use inverse tonemapping for SDR content
and yea, everything looks great. im sure it would look better with a proper HDR panel
but just being able to use the entire brightness range of the panel helped a lot. my 4k HDR shit does look WAY better than when i had my monitor set to ~250 nits
and my SDR shit looks just the same, mpv adjusts it to be as bright as it needs to be (ca 218nits iirc for SDR?)
so yea, if you lads have a bright but not proper HDR monitor, try this.
note that you have to use conditional profiles tho, you can't enable tonemapping AND inverse tonemapping simultaneously, it gets all fucky.
ask for help in the mpv thread if needed.

>>102298149
>do you have any idea what dates are ideal?
https://www.igorslab.de/en/powercolor-rx-7900xtx-red-devil-mit-eingebautem-herstellungsfehler-wenn-der-hotspot-zum-standard-wird/
that's when it blew up, so they fixed it mid summer 2023, also if you want to fix it yourself, use PTM7950 instead of normal paste, it's abandunt enough to buy cheap anywhere, scan local marketplaces

>>102298224
trump card?

>>102298257
1080p

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>>102298274
It certainly is sad how little generational uplift there was from 3080

>>102298283
im just happy i managed to snag a new 3080 12 gb for a bit less than $500 a few months before the 4000 series released

>>102298243
Where would I find information pertaining to the date of the card? Btw-thanks!!!

>>102298283
What's embarrassing is Nvidia naming the 4050 the 4060 and being slower than the 3060ti, that's flat out regression

>>102298313
just wait until you see 5060 lmao

>>102298312
My XT box S/N starts with LG230100 so anything bigger than that should be good, could ask the store when they got it too.

>>102298159
The 4070 (Super) is really the 4060. 4060 is 4050. So it makes sense.

>>102298313
they did that for the entire generation
thats why the 4080 almost had 12gb vram initially
thats why the 4090 is just above 60fps in AAA slop with all options enabled

>>102298312
>>102298353
oh damn, another thing, cooler is fine but there is a coil whine in certain games at 100+ fps, not every game somehow, so be mindful of that, don't know about XFX

>>102298364
I guess we shouldn't even expect a true 5090 at this stage then with no competition from AMD. It'll just be some bastard 5080 chip with 24GB of GDDR7 at some ridiculous price just because they can.

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>>102298159
79xtx here kinda sux it's their last true high end card for a while they tried to kill the 4090 at half the price wouldn't matter if they did idiots would still buy nvidiass for dlsshit rt bs even though it's still basically useless
>>102298163
Here a 79xtx is 1300aud plus tax free ship and a 4080s is at least 1500 so it's a no brain to not go amd for 4k and vr

I don't give a shit about AI sd rt PT ATM until it can do Vidya and video in real time

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>>102298283
We've been living with effectively 6800 XT / 3080 class performance at $350-450 for over 2 years now despite an entire generation launch by both AMD & Nvidia to ostensibly replace it. Still hard to believe 4 years ago the 6800 XT (not the 6900 XT mind you) was supposed to have a launch MSRP of $650 and was selling for as much as $900 at Newegg for some OC SKUs:
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/76494/amd-radeon-rx-6800-xt-launch-disaster-no-cards-rip-off-pricing/index.html

Haven't built a pc a build it ages. Do you still get forced into buying windows if installing Win11 from a pen drive?

>>102298189
Cyberpunk is a game where Radeon outperforms its average vs Geforce (of course without RT and DLSS). Not that it matters as DLSS makes up the gap and more

>>102298458
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>>102298458
>Do you still get forced into buying windows if installing Win11 from a pen drive?
No

Also check >>>/g/fwt

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>>102298448
>We've been living with effectively 6800 XT / 3080 class performance at $350-450 for over 2 years
Wrong, the 3080s went out of stock at about $800 or $900 depending model. The 4070 was effectively a $300 discount on 3080 tier performance, at much lower power consumption and with the added bonus of DLSS Frame Gen. Used 3080s haven't hit that price even within a year. You're living in fantasy land

>>102298448
>>102298503 (me)
Having said that, if we're talking MSRPs instead of street pricing, if crypto + covid pricing hadn't fucked up RTX 30 pricing much like crypto fucked up the GTX 10 pricing, RTX 40 pricing would have been much lower, and we probably would have seen the RTX 4070 released as the 4060 Ti with a $400 or $450 price tag. Possibly even cheaper. Even so, I doubt that Nvidia could release AD104 at $300, considering TSMC's pricing.

>>102296456
if you need that amount of ram you should have gotten a threadripper
4dimm ddr5 boards are a scam

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>>102298406
RDNA3 didn't have the uplift AMD was expecting otherwise the 7900XTX would have gone toe to toe with the 4090 and it probably would have been priced at $1300, people need to stop thinking it was due to MCM, the 7600 and 7600XT didn't outperform Navi 23. It was a bug with the architecture, not MCM that killed the performance.

RDNA 3 was missing 20% expected performance so while they adjusted the price of the 7900XTX the 7900XT was priced dumb. If AMD had gone with a 20% larger Navi 31 GCD they would have been equal to the 4090 performance with less silicon and a worse node and Nvidia would have released the 4090ti to win the generation.

>>102298547
XTX outperforms 4090, at 700 Watt.

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>>102298583
You don't need 700 watts these days.

Looking to build a pc for the first time to replace my over a decade old one. No monitor, speakers, keyboard, or anything else, just a pc. I’m completely new with all this and these are the recommended specs for programs and games I plan on using regularly:
>1
Operating system: Windows 7 SP1 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, or Windows 10 64-bit
Processor: Intel Core i7 equivalent or higher
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6 GB and higher
DirectX version: 11
>2
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows® 10 Home 64 bit
Processor: Intel® Core™ I7 2700K | AMD® Ryzen 7 2700X
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia® GeForce™ GTX 580 (1.5 GB) | AMD® Radeon™ RX 560 (4 GB)
DirectX: Version 11
>3
Intel and AMD CPUs with SSE2 support
GPU with support for OpenGL 2.1
2GB or more memory required, 8GB or more recommended
>4
DirectX 10.1 compatible GPU
Windows 10, or Windows 11

Don’t know how to plan around specs you want so I listed some games and programs. The first and second ones are probably the highest specs overall, are those considered pretty high specs?
Country: USA
Budget: preferably no more than 2k but can go higher if needed for these specs

>>102297913
>>102297895
>>102297891
Im heading into summer and paid 900 for it why would it not be mine? Had a 770 1080ti and 69xt but weren't fast enough for 4k vr in Sims

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>>102298721
Yeah there's no amount of watts

>>102298737
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K9Txn6

My nephew is starting computer science undergrad soon wants to build a PC for classes. He already went full retard bought a r5-5600G thinking it would be enough for video editing. I am planning on buying a GPU for him(with his money), the problem is I haven't bought a PC in 10 years. Which would be better, arc a380 or gtx1660? Every gpu is 2x USA prices here due to insane taxes so the choices are shit.

>>102298839
a used 2060 or a RX6600, or if you want to punish the bastard get him the A380

>>102298837
massive overkill. just 7600 (cpu) and 7600 (gpu) is fine

>>102298799
>>102298837
Thanks, will explore the list

>>102298737
You don't need more than a $700 system. You could make it even cheaper by buying a used 1080 Ti or a RX 6600.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n4DVh3

>>102298891
don't. it's like the fastest gaming pc you can build. completely unneccessary and wasteful

>>102298737
$2k is far more than necessary to hit those specs. Could do it with <$1000.
The build in >>102298837 is a decent general gaming build at your original budget. I'd probably swap the card out for a 4080S myself but it's mostly a matter of taste.
Alternatively, if you want to cut budget here's a cheaper outline build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FkLLh3
Add a card to taste. Anything up to a 4070S will be fine with that CPU.

>>102298863
>>102298922
I mean yeah I kind of meant it as a joke because he did say 2k, I should have specified that.

>>102298448
I'm selling my old 6800XT Nitro+ model and found the receipt, $2000 NZD ($1,229 USD) in October 2021
I didn't pay that though - I traded up a 5700XT and some cash, because that also rose in value by like ~$300. I had two R9 390's which I also made profit on selling them during the cryptoboom.

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You didn’t buy into the glass case meme, did you?

>>102298900
>>102298922
Sorry for the late reply, thanks for the lists. This does seem more preferable for budget since I didn’t really know what to expect.
I forgot to mention that I’m looking for a white case and decided to go with this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4wNgXL/be-quiet-silent-base-802-atx-mid-tower-case-bg040
Would these components be compatible with the case if I switched it in?

>>102299318
yes absolutely, its your build so go with the case you want.

>>102299094
It seems like point of impact is directly just above the gpu, interesting...

>>102299094
I just take the side panel off. Clearer than any glass, doesn't amass fingerprints or dust, just perfect

>>102299617
I do the same for hood of my car

>>102299643
It's not really the same because cars are typically used outdoors while desktop computers are usually used indoors

>>102297885
12% of their revenue*

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So, afmf2 is in the newest beta amd drivers...

What do we do DLSSisters?

>>102299744
Not buying AMD until they fix their gorillion driver bugs

>>102299777
have you tried the hardware fix? (taking your pills)

How's the value-per-frame of the 7900XTX vs. 4060ti 16GB?
Reason I'm asking is because I want to play autistic niche stuff, and for example I've heard that AMD drivers are mediocre for opengl games.

>>102299873
If you can afford a 7900xtx, you can afford a 4080 super

>>102299887
16GB VRAM though

>>102299887
>16gb
>weaker in raster
>rt is a meme
>more expensive

Is a Thermalright Assassin X Refined SE enough for a 5700x3d? Peerless Assassin costs twice as much.

>>102296686
dude, a 4070 from Pakistan?? the fact that you had to ask...

>>102299937
its like a 65w cpu

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Currently using close to 20GB VRAM playing Starfield at 1440p

>>102299948
I'm getting the X then. Thanks.

>>102297459
PNY XLR8

>>102299986
AMD shows higher vram usage than nvidia, AMD cards in general tend to over allocate the vram buffer with a bunch of stuff that is not really needed (this does not hurt performance but also does not really help it either)

having soifield installed tells me everything about amdumbos

Builded my first PC recently.
Which software shouild i use to (stress)test it?

>>102300147
y cruncher benchmark is fun and as stressful as it gets

>>102300147
cinebench for cpu
avoid furmark
userbenchmark if you feel like doing some stupid captcha-game

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I have a meshify 2 xl case which came with 3 fans (3 pin) and it has a basic fan hub. I've read that it only controls fan speed on the hub if you have a PWM fan connected.

So am I right in assuming that I should plug the 3 fans into the mobo CHA_FAN connectors?

Why the hell does the manual talk about water cooling in this case?

can 1080p die out already

>>102300229
One can dream

>>102300166
cinebench doesn't really stress your system, it's a normal everyday workload. no different from compiling software or rendering a webm

>>102300147
you shouldn't. stress testing is pointless.

>>102300147
Occt is all you need to test CPU and GPU stability

>>102300147
prime95

>>102300147
superposition

why the hell space marine 2 main menu makes my CPU go to 75C'?

>>102300307
I thought the game wasn't out yet? are you playing beta or something?
my guess would be no fps limiter so you run the main menu at 500 fps or something

>>102298827
So it's still the dx11 overhead issue not an issue in my vulkan or dx12 13600k

>>102298547
I think it's fine I'm glad they didn't overpriced it at least now it's basically a bargain if it's cheaper than the 4080 4080s or 4090 d in your country it's a win win at least it is in aud
>>102298721
It's pretty efficient the pwr requirements are way overblown it uses less than 300-400w same as ada when uv oc hits 3ghz and has more reliable triple 8 pin pcie

DO NOT GET THE AIB OEM TWIN 8 PIN they suck

>>102299094
Fuck no I have an ancient p180 I got for free

>>102299744
>What do we do DLSSisters?
Remind everyone that framegen doesn't count unless it is dlss and no, you absolutely don't ever need to use framegen in that old game that is locked to 60fps. 60fps is enough for anybody and 120hz (or more is a meme) STOP BEING A RETARDED AMDRONE

>>102299914
>>102299873
>>102299777
FYI 79xtx > 4080 s and 4090 d unless you wanna suck Nvidia cock and not the cute futa oppai lolis kind

>>102299887
Correct, which is why I bought the 7900xtx.

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>>102300320
Those who pre-ordered get it a week early. Funnily enough so do pirates.

is there any reason to get a 3060TI over a 2060 super if i need a cheap card for a couple months?

Is there anything to watch out for in a PC case that could make me go "oh shit I need a new case because mine can't fit <new thing>" in the near future? Thinking of doing a not-so-necessary upgrade and want to make sure it'll last.

>>102300382
If the plan is to use and dump then no.

>>102300389
Generally just radiator (muh aio) and drive support. I'm a firm believer that if a case can't support at least 4 3.5" drives it isn't a real case.

>>102300382
I got an a770 cheap for 300usd gonna use it for htpc build

>>102300389
maybe for 5090
https://www.techpowerup.com/322770/nvidia-rtx-5090-blackwell-founders-edition-to-implement-the-rtx-4090-ti-cinderblock-design
or maybe not, 4090 already has oversized heatsink for what it needs. they could stick with the current design

>>102300320
It's locked to 60 and utilization for CPU says 17%. But the temperature is to the moon(74-78C') on a 7700x. A lot of people apparently complained. People with Intel have it in 90-100C'.

>>102300467
Not all instructions are created equally. If it is leveraging AVX heavily that will set your cpu on fire.

>>102300491
didn't intel disable AVX in 14000s?

>>102300515
Even if they did the main point still stands - some instructions are a lot harder to compute than others which can be why cpus are getting so hot.

>>102300532
It's the main menu, nothing is happening in there, NOTHING, GPU is at 5% load. It's not even a sneaky shader compiler which would've been understandable.

>>102299914
>>102300364
>weaker in raster
show
I've looked at comparisons that seem to show 4080s being faster (I'm still not getting it because of 16gb lmao, but it'd be good to know if it's a tradeoff or just outright inferior)

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>>102300554
didn't look very far.

>>102300389
In my experience of frankensteining my PC for the last 11 or so years, basically drive space. Unless you're disciplined enough to either never hoard data, or always migrate over to newer bigger drives instead of just adding more over time. (I have 1x256gb, 3x1tb, 1x2tb and 1x6tb by now, in a varying arrangement of SSDs and HDDs.)

Otherwise really mostly down to fitting your build. Maybe GPU space if you want gigantic ones. Do you need 5.25'' bays? If not, then you probably won't in the future, either (worst case you can buy an external optical drive if you really need one in a pinch). Coolers and stuff, you'll know if you can fit them now, it's unlikely you'll get surprised down the line (are AIOs even that important nowadays?).

Logical increments was originally made by /g/ to answer all the questions constantly asked on this board,
My question is why has that site completely gone to shit? All the builds there look awful.

>>102300581
I would still much rather have the Nvidia feature suite than 2 extra fps.

>>102300712
not him but what features are there, except raytracing?
t. doesn't play any games where RT matters

>>102300672
The falcon is a retard, so yes.

What would be the best middleground between the 7600x and 7800x3d (am5) or even intel. Long term gaming will be the use case, but would rather spend more on gpu but will prefer not to get the "budget" cpu option.

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I want to get an extra 2tb SSD for games but I'm not sure what's good, this MOBO is a remnant from an old PC and I think it'd be a good thing to replace it as well. I'm not too familiar with either of those so I wanted to ask, what's a good suggestion for a gaming SSD and a decent MOBO? probably something that has 2 nvme slots and isn't mATX.

>>102300413
>>102300456
>>102300617
Thanks.
I actually already have noticed the issue of some manufacturers being stingy with 3.5 space, and for now I do happen to need more than they usually offer, but down the road it's more likely that I'll have fewer of them than more. Otherwise, past some point it might be more reasonable to just get an external rack.
Probably won't be getting any high-end GPUs either, and I imagine midrange cards will not look quite as ridiculous for a while.

>>102300763
7700x sits smack bang in the middle.

>>102300823
Don't buy two 16gb kits, buy a 32gb kit.

>>102300895
cheers I'll check it out.

>>102300920
These are all parts I already have. The RAM, MOBO and the main SSD are all that's remaining of an older PC I've been gradually switching parts for.

>>102300199
yes. you change the mode (PWM(4-pin) or DC(3-pin)) in bios.
asrock gonna asrock.

>>102300981
Get the 7700 on aliexpress. Much cheaper.

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>>102300554
Hot off the press

>>102301193
>>102300554
>>102300581
Just get the 79xtx it's 90% as fast and rt PT AI dlss meme I don't miss at all fsr3 and afmf2 is good enough and theirs xess and other shit to fall back on

>>102301193
>no framegen
AFMF2 saves the day once again.

>>102300581
>>102301193
Single game benchmarks are useless
Here's the actually useful data https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-geforce-rtx-4080-super-strix/33.html
Seems nearly identical, with just minor differences in some games very slightly in the 7900xtx's favour

CS2 does worry me though cause I play TF2 a lot, I wonder if source will have similar performance issues over source2. Still, 15% one way or the other is not a big deal

>>102301304
>Single game benchmarks are useless
*when nvidia isn't numba wan, when they are single games are fine
You forgot your cyberpunk picture tho

>>102301304
I'm fairly certain you could throw a dart at any gpu made in the past 10 years and it will hit 120 fps in tf2

When will we know if the rumours of Intel making another generation of cpus (Bartlett) for the 1700 socket are real?

>>102301193
90fps at 4k without fame frame generation is kinda playable

>>102301357
No, you need to be coping that 47fps is plenty and dumd amdrones are spreading fud if they suggest otherwise.

found a guy on an auction site who's seemingly only buying up graphics cards, within the past 4 months he's bought 2 1660 supers, 3 3060 TI's, 2 2080s. what could he be using them for? its not mining as all the 3060s are LHR cards.

>>102298547
>RDNA 3 was missing 20% expected performance
Will RDNA 4 make up for the lost ground or will it simply be mediocre if we take into account that RDNA 3 is weaker than expected as a reference point?

>>102301318
That's great except I have a 240Hz monitor
Also you'd be surprised, on a 1070 with a high FPS config (that turns off a LOT of graphic features) I get ~200fps max, and easily down to ~130fps when there's a lot of players and explosions and map geometry on-screen. If playing stock, with all the particle effects and cosmetic items and whatnot enabled, it can easily go below 100. Seventeen years of shoving bloatware hats and particle effects into the game doesn't come without consequences

>>102301415
Didn't AMD literally announce they aren't gonna be making top of the line cards anymore?
GPUs have crazy profit margins where price is basically determined almost entirely by their market segment placement, AMD could almost plausibly push out a rebranded 7900xtx and call it their new midrange card and have it compete with the 5060/5070. Well, maybe not to that degree, but it's not that hard to do a small node refresh and improve power efficiency and have some great midrange cards.

>>102301413
he flips PCs on facebook (i do this)

>>102301461
ah that makes a lot more sense.

>>102300763
7600X3D if you want to afford it. Closer to the 7800X3D in price but godlike for gaming.

>>102301461
>Selling pc's to boomers
Won't they complain about shipping damage?

>>102301450
just for RDNA4 I'm pretty sure, focusing on delivering good value mid to low end cards
RDNA5 is still meant to have a flagship

What's the best AMD CPU for playing mostly older games that rely heavily on single-core performance? Is it still the 7800X3D? Can more cores make single-core performance worse, or is that not an issue (at least as long as you don't go into the workstation market)?

>>102301580
7600 is the best choice on am5
core count doesn't matter they all boost the same, as much as your heatsink allows

>>102301603
Just 7600, or x3d?
>core count doesn't matter they all boost the same, as much as your heatsink allows
neat

>>102301615
x3d cpus are the fastest but they also cost a lot
7700 non x is a real gem

Does anyone here have a ultra wide as a second monitor? I was thinking about getting a new main monitor but then I'd have to do something about my current ultra wide, not using it sounds like a huge waste.

>>102301641
>what's the best CPU for <x>?
>"here's one that doesn't cost too much!"
Ok thanks now which one is the BEST one

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why exactly are AMD 2xCCDs worse for gaming?
Couldnt you just assign your game to specific cores and avoid these drawbacks?

>>102301659
the best one is the cheapest that achieves the task

>>102301696
Depends on the task.
If it's "runs the game", then a 2500k will work for the vast majority of cases. But that's not a useful recommendation.

In my case, the task is "provides the best performance possible".

>>102301660
Yes gamebar does this for your or you can tard wrangle the os scheduler with processor lasso
If all you do is gaming you're just paying more for an inferior processor, only buy those if you actually make money with your PC.

>>102301696
thats true for hookers but not so much computers

>>102301723
n100 is not good enough for gaming these days
2500k is slower than bulldozer now

>>102301752
And yet it will run the game.

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>>102301193
Waitfags finally redeemed.

>>102300320
I already finished it two days ago lol
>>102300307
I don't think anyone knows yet and all the redditor 'solutions" do are stop the CPU boosting. I have an undervolted 14900k with a high end AIO and lots of fans and it was still smashing the 8 P-Cores I had lassoed for it up to 80c. No other game gets close to that.
My barely educated guess is that it's using AVX instructions (or something similar).

>>102301450
The rumor was that 8800XT will be the top card, so it would replace the 7800XT. If they just rebranded a larger chip it would be really stupid because they're selling a larger die for an even lower price that the current RDNA 3 cards. They need to have architectural improvements otherwise they'll be even more doomed than they already are.

>>102300718
all the shit in geforce experience

>>102297923
just testing if everything works and itts (supposedly) easier to troubleshoot if you build outside

>>102301785
if it runs under 60 fps it doesn't count as running

>>102301827
>3080 and 3090ti benching higher than 4090
something fucky going on here

I honestly don't see any visual difference in the latest AAA games vs. older ones that run at 60+fps on my machine
It feels like we've reached some peak where things honestly don't matter anymore

>>102301660
In theory yes, but gamedevs don't actually assign threads to cores themselves and leave it up to the OS to figure out, and windows tends to fail at it.
You can do it manually yourself but having to babysit your cpu is not a sustainable solution

>>102301902
which is what?
also it has to be accessible once I buy the gpu, no extra accounts and terms and conditions to accept

>>102300199
>Why the hell does the manual talk about water cooling in this case
AIO or a custom WC loop might use a 3 pin fan header instead of a 4 pin PWM function.

>>102301957
"my" machine

kek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1uKbqbFgws

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>102302028
no vlc logo no buy

>>102302007
Yes. My point being that I can take an older game that runs well, and compare it to a modern game that will run at 1/2, 1/3rd or even 1/4th the speed, and see minimal to no visual improvement.
The exact numbers don't matter: it's clear that at one point the 1080ti, for example, was considered king; and now it runs at 1/3rd the speed of a modern flagship. At one point the 1060 was considered a top tier value card for mid-range gaming, now it doesn't even reach 30fps on mid settings on a modern game >>102301827.

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Day 522 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102301660
if you are wondering linux gayming supposedly gamemode should handle it for you https://github.com/FeralInteractive/gamemode/pull/416

>>102301957
Its diminishing returns.
>100 -> 1000 triangles big gains
>100 000 000 -> 1 000 000 000 triangles not much visual difference

>>102296636
Looks exactly the same except for the colors

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Lads, what the fuck is causing the WIFI for my desktop to randomly stop working (even though it shows connected, it says only connected to local network) forcing me to restart my whole PC to fix it?

It happens after 6 or so hours of use and is killing me. The Wifi isn't down or nothing, it's like my PC Just gets booted off after a few hours

>>102302259
>>>/g/sqt >>>/fwt/
This is not a thread for software support

>>102302164
add a count for next next gen

>>102300763
a 7600x is enough to drive a 4080 Super in most cases

>>102302259
How are we supposed to know?

>>102302294
>>102302294
>>102302294

>>102301357
With the top $1700 card, eh... not good

>>102302259
I lost ethernet when my IF clock was unstable on zen2
it was the only symptom and I didn't know why it happened so I sold the board cpu and ram... Shame it was better than my current board

>>102302278
I refuse.