>>102290876
>durable
as in one you can take with you on a hiking trip because you move a lot or one that will last long under load?
get a bunch SN850X/990 pros and run them in a raid 10

Does anyone else get put off by negative reviews of a product? I see motherboards with 25% negative reviews on newegg and wonder if they're just unlucky or they did something wrong.

https://x.com/TechEpiphanyYT/status/1832064998870249474

INTEL WON

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT.

>>102290957
>>102290876
Intel optane

>>102290982
>muh laptops
yawn

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>plugged my PC to my 8bit+FRC "HDR 10+" TV
>get perfectly smooth 10bit gradients in full RGB 8bit
>get banding in 10bit YCbCr 4:2:2
is FRC supposed to work on 8bit output signal instead of 10bit?

Samsung 28" Odyssey G7 4K gaming 28BG700
3840x2160 IPS, 1
44hz, 1ms, 1000:1,
HDR400, FreeSync,
2xHDMI 2.1/DP

Is this any good? What kind of computer/graphics card would i need to use this?

>>102290978
In my experience lots of bad motherboard reviews come from things RAM not agreeing with the board or being DOA
First thing might not have anything to do with the mobo but being DOA is just common for motherboards as they are complex assemblies with no so great QC standards.

why are a lot of people buying the 6800 over the 7800xt?

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>>102280844
Back with my PSU cable that won't go in. I unplugged the PSU and checked the port; nothing looks wrong with it. It still only goes in this far at the edges. The middle doesn't go in at all as if the cable was upside down.

I've tested both ends of every cable, and everything else goes in fine, except for one of the 6+2 connectors which has the same issue. Did I get defective cables?

>>102291126
i missed your previous posts, was the cable supplied with the PSU?

>Gigabyte b650 aorus elite ax v2
Any thoughts?

>>102291144
Yeah.

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Due to circumstances I'm kinda interested in a budget 1440p GPU. I currently have a 1660 super.

I was thinking the ideal GPU is a 3060 12GB. GPUs like 4060 and 3060 Ti have more horsepower so to speak but at 1440p with high textures enabled, the 4060 and 3060ti will have a higher performance but textures will be blatantly worse (e.g. halo infinite) compared to 3060 12gb.

In modern games like helldivers 2, you can run 1440p ultra with medium shadows and dlss on a 3060 12gb for 70+ FPS.

I thought that 12 GB wouldn't matter much at this range but, at 1440p textures on high settings do like cram even with a setting here of there turned down and it makes a very noticeable difference sometimes. At worst you get stuttering because of vram but more common it seems is poorer textures even on the same setting.

Got any better ideas I'm all ears. I'm going through a GPU phase again.

>>102291174
which model?

Probably a dumb fucking question, but I have a pretty old corsair AIO cooler (H100i from like 2014 or so), currently mounted to my lga2011 socket motherboard. It also came with an "AMD bracket" and I can probably still find that somewhere.

If I upgrade to AM5 right now, would I be able to mount it (or perhaps obtain a new mounting bracket if necessary)? Or would I need a completely new cooler at this point?
The H100i is still working pretty great so I wouldn't replace it if there's a way to mount it onto a new socket.

>>102291298
Sacrifice a child for a 4070 Ti Super

>>102291305
RM850x v3

>Have 12GB VRAM GPU
>Try Control again after a few years
>Every painting looks pixelated until I get very close to it
I made a mistake

>>102291324
Out of the question dear stranger

>>102291298
6750xt/6800xt are great for that pricepoint if you don't mind fsr over dlss

>>102290886
where can i buy samsung b die ddr4?

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I have a graphics card, processor, monitor and motherboard at hand. If I bought the parts in the pic would that be enough to build a PC? Is there anything I'm missing?

>>102291506
Do you not have M2 slot on mobo?

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I have a mini-itx motherboard, it comes with an intel wifi+bluetooth card, precisely this one
can I swap it for a sata m2 drive?

>>102291506
Click the link in the 2nd line of the OP

>>102291335
i'm at a loss, your connector looks normal from the last thread. either rma it or try to file gently(not too much) the edges of the male connectors that pose problem.
is this your first build?

>>102291570
no
You'd think yes but in practice those slots tend to be very picky.

>>102291612
>>102291335
*edges of the plastic!

>>102290886
>dr.pepper stickers on pc case
Piss tastes better than that poor excuse of a soft drink.

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>>102290886
Is it possible to fit two 3090s or 4090s in a sffpc with ITX motherboard? Want to run some local models but also need it to be portable.

>>102291641
>two
SLI is dead bro

>>102291641
Is it possible to fit two dragon dildos in your asshole?

>>102291612
>is this your first build?
Second.

>>102291742
wanted to be sure you pushed the thing in hard enough

>>102291641
4090 doesn’t have SLI support and you won’t get any benefit from two GPUs unless you run two instances of Stable Diffusion which isn’t possible to my knowledge

>>102291706
>>102291726
SLI is not needed for this, PCI is fast enough nowadays. For large models multi-GPU setup is necessary. But I need portability too.

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>>102290886
>a minimum of 16GB VRAM for 1080p and higher resolutions is required for new games
OP's really gone off the deep end. Let me help you guys out with reasonable recommendations for resolution and budget

>GRAPHICS CARDS
1080p: RTX 3060 12 GB; budget: RX 6600; ultra budget: used RTX 2060 Super
1440p: RTX 4070 Super; budget: RX 7700 XT
2160p: RTX 4080 Super (at MSRP); budget: RTX 4070 Ti Super

>>102291119
There aren't a lot of people buying either card

>>102291298
There are almost no games where VRAM matters. Gaylo doesn't know how to remove unused assets from VRAM, so play long enough and you will have problems on almost any card

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>>102291451
>fsr
Far worse than VRAM problems
You'll be forced to use FSR in every new game
VRAM even on an 8 GB card is rarely be a problem, and when it is, it's not something that prevents you from playing the game

>>102290886
Best way to do a dust cleaning?
Was thinking of buying a Metro ED500 and a set of nylon brushes.

>>102291779
How is this guy doing it? >>102259739

>>102291298
>>102291451
>>102291869
AMD is basically mandatory for budget builds, the value you get from cheaper nvidia offerings is dogshit. something will always be gimped, and it will need to be replaced after like 2-3 years.
also, gunning for fsr/dlss on lower cards just disappoints, the feature ironically is best for upper range products.

>>102291119
AMD shines in the midrange/poorfag cards. 7800xt is a great value but it's competing with upper range cards, and those people are willing to spend $400 more for features.

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>>102291298
Previous gen AMDs or intel gpus even, I don’t know how’s intel gpus in 2024 tho

>>102291706
>>102291779
There was some discussion on this. See >>102260013

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>>102291915
>gunning for fsr/dlss on lower cards just disappoints, the feature ironically is best for upper range products
Absolutely wrong. It's even more important on lower end products

>>102291947
>I don’t know how’s intel gpus in 2024 tho
My 750 works just fine, too bad there's literally 0 good games that require hardware past 2018 and it was kind of a waste of money. At least blender renders became much faster.

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>>102291947
Oh look, it's cherrypicking retard again
Let's see how those previous gen GPUs do in Hogwarts with RT and Frame Gen
Oh wait, no Radeon card has Frame Gen and even a 3080 is better than a 7900 XTX even if we don't count better than native DLSS

>>102291915
stop replying to the thread schizo

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>finish putting together new PSU & GPU
>computer wont turn on
>flip PSU switch on
>doesn't post
>spam press the fuck out of power
>lights turn on
nothing like a little percussive maintenance

>>102292004
I understand that nvidia pays you a paycheck but normal people don't play slop

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>>102292004
You came to cry again?
Crying won’t help your 12GB midget, kek

>>102291569
It only supports SATA I think

>>102291506
my kingston died after like 3 months, so don't forget to do your daily backups

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>>102292004
let me know when nvidia fix their driver overhead.

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>>102291877

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>>102292033
>his """4k""" 7900 xtx reduced to 1080p even in AMD Steve's benchmarks
Not a good day for Radeon
If you really think Radeon is as good as Geforce in RT, you're even more AMDelusional than most

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>>102291126
>>102291612
With some help from someone less cautious about breaking the connector, it did eventually go in, but it took an unreasonable amount of force just to get it to engage with the port.

>>102292080
kek. I blast my PC with an electronic duster and just pray my fans dont fuck my shit up. I shoot it in bursts.

>>102292036
How old is it? What are your other components that you need 1000W PSU?

>>102292080
yes, bro, just buy a 200$ compressor to dust your pc off
> wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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>>102292070
>muh 4%
Let me show you what an actual difference looks like

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>>102292086
And even 4090 can’t get to that level at 1080p, it’s 720p gpu now, I guess

>>102292093
Ouch. I can see the stress marks on the connector. Must have hurt like a bitch.

>>102291298
>3060
if you can find a used one for cheap go for it otherwise the 6700 xt is the cheapest option for 1440
both cards are already shit so you won't play newer games on anything higher than medium or low settings

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>all the games shitting themselves on 8GB VRAM are snoystation games
im noticing

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>>102292095
Good question, I'll just send all planned components, I also think 1000W may be overkill

>>102292093
good to hear you solved your issue.

>>102292127
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7yTRZJ

>>102292127
Yes, it is overkill. By a lot.

>>102292127
on one hand, no need for a new PSU when you upgrade later
rewiring can be a bitch

>>102292094
Which one do you have? Is it strong enough to blast the shit that gets baked inbetween heatsink fins?

>>102292156
Good to know, that PSU was quite expensive

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>>102292111
>more amd steve
But even in your own benchmarks, those "previous gen AMD or Intel" >>102291947 graphics card are unusable for 1440p >>102291298
I win, easily, as always, every time we have those discussions, because you're low IQ

DLSS = life saving
VRAM = nearly useless

I'll let you have the last low IQ retort. Enjoy FSR

Since I started filtering these threads for amd steve the quality of them has increased dramatically.

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>benchamrking mid-range cards on 1440p ultra

Are 4090bros still winning?

>>102292215
>Are 4090bros still whining?
fix'd and yes

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>>102292214
>cards bought for 1440p
Which ones are aging better? The muh VRAM cards or the DLSS capable cards?

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>all cards are unusable sub-60
>"I'm winning"

>>102292228
such a garbage comparison when the framerates are all unplayable

>>102291105
If you're not going to use Freesync/G-Sync it's okay, otherwise the implementation will flicker and lose signal constantly.

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>>102292242
>>102292248
>what is dlss
Anyway games are built around reconstruction these days, so you'll be using TSR, FSR, XeSS if you don't have DLSS

>There is no option for "no upscaling,"
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/senuas-saga-hellblade-2-benchmark/3.html

Regardless, DLSS gives excellent image quality that allows Geforce cards to last much longer, as you can decrease input resolution much further than you can with a Radeon card, where once you can't use full resolution TAA, the card is useless if you care about image quality

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>>102292179
It’s native+TAA blur and without FG injected, even just injecting FSR FG will give about 2x FPS here, so about 80 FPS vs 42 with DLSS and DLSS FG, it will be even more with FSR enabled, you’re so silly

>>102292172
>Is it strong enough to blast the shit that gets baked inbetween heatsink fins?
Unfortunately, no. That type of dust needs to be "loosened" before it can be properly cleaned. It will take off the top layer, though. I use an XPOWER A-2, and it’s been the best investment I’ve made in years. It blows up the kids pool and inflatables, cleans the PC, it's definitely worth it.

reminder not to feed the trolls

>>102292286
>unlike comparisons
>modding
>ugly fsr

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>>102290886
I got a mini atx case that I ordered on accident thinking it was a bigger tower case and it's just been sitting in my apartment. I was thinking about turning it into a retro gaming machine/ server anyone have any experience or any recommendations for this? I was thinking about taking my old PC out of its random dell case with my 960 and replacing the power supply and sticking a bunch of hard drives in it.

>>102292029
Last time I did this my psu exploded

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For those unaware, AMD is also sueing Nvidia in the antitrust shit its all gonna go down.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-03/nvidia-gets-doj-subpoena-in-escalating-antitrust-investigation

https://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-warren-backs-justice-department-nvidia-antitrust-investigation-2024-9

>>102292332
FUD

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>>102292384
https://www.reuters.com/technology/nvidia-did-not-receive-us-justice-department-subpoena-spokesperson-says-2024-09-04/

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>>102292384
>waaaaaaaaa
>nvidia is better at asics than ati
Tessellation and RT are standardized in DirectX. All these companies have to do is accelerate them

Let's not forget all the technologies that Nvidia spearheaded like G-sync, DLSS, and Reflex that are foundational to modern gaming

>>102292384
the great reckoning is coming
the courts will save amdsisters

What the fuck is wrong with amdcels. Is it not enough for them to dominate the CPU market, now they have to do it with GPUs as well? Just accept the fact that you're the budget option. That's good enough.

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What does any of this retardation and shitflinging have to do with building PCs?

>>102292526
>>intel

>>102292411
the subpoena is on the public doj website.

>>102292532
To further the holy work of our lord and saviour, jensen huang.

Arrow Lake release date when?
Arrow Lake performance leaks when?

>>102292564
More like Barrow Lake because intel is dead and buried.

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>>102292564
>Arrow Lake performance leaks when?
Weeks ago.

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>>102290886

>>102292622
>synthetics
Gaming performance leaks please

>>102292624
GNAA made it to space? How the fuck was this kept under wraps?

>>102291506
You're missing a CPU cooler.

>>102292631
gaming performance will be comparable to zen 4/5 if you don't go over 8 threads

>>102291298
>I currently have a 1660 super.
just stick with that

Should I go with the 7800X3D or the 9700X?

>>102292664
7600 non-x

>>102292544
Then show it

Best CPU for Dwarf Fortress in the Current Year?

>>102292641
Thank you, I forgot to mention I already have a CPU cooler

>>102292544
>lying this hard

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Guys, I'm tearing my hair out. I have a stupid HP
pavilion that I threw an RX 6600 XT into and hooked up a separate PSU to it but the bitch just WON'T WORK.
I've run DDU and tried installing the newest Adrenalin but I get a 182 error and I can't install any drivers. My GPU nor my PSU are spinning (I did paperclip test on PSU, it spun). Am I being retarded or what? It's acting like it's not receiving power, I'm keeping HDMI plugged into the onboard for the meantime. It doesn't seem to draw power, it won't take drivers and I'm out of options

give me the qrd on CPU performance vs windows version
it seems like every CPU release these days is a dumpster fire that needs 5 BIOS updates and a dozen windows KBs to not explode or run slower than the previous generation
can you make Ryzen work on Windows 10?
I don't want to migrate to Jeetdows 11

>>102292862
Just migrate to W11 24H2

>>102292736
Game is single threaded to the core last time I checked so unless it responds well do v cache (I don't know) whatever clocks the highest will be the best.

>>102292862
Framechasers said it's a fucking retarded techtuber disinformation meme, the alleged performance increase is like 4% meanwhile fafo OC is 20%

>>102292811
You need to look further into the finer specs of the machine. Dell and HP fukken LOVE to do propriety bullshit so it is entirely possible while the psu has an 8pin connector it might not actually be wired correctly to send normal power to a gpu.

>>102292811
did you use an adapter board? i dont see it

how much would you pay for a used 3060TI?

>>102292811
Seems like a PSU issue. It may need an adapter. Are you sure it can take a standard ATX PSU?

> All super small cases come with shit build-in psus
That's cool, i guess the only choice is to build your own case out of sheet metal or something if you don't want that cringe

>>102292988
$250 max

>>102292962
I have an MSI PSU hooked up solely to the GPU, everything else is onboard HP. Would there still be a power issue between gpu and motherboard if the PSU I plugged in weren't supported?
>>102292965
>>102292996
I have an adapter, but the HP psu doesn't have a molex coming off of it that I could plug into it, that's why I figured I could just have them as 2 separate systems

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Rate build/10
Anything I could change to save some cash?
Will be running with a 6800 xt

>>102293059
I mean to say, would the psu, if it's not supported for the motherboard, work to power the gpu anyway? If not, then that has to be the problem and I'd have to get some dumb stronger HP psu

How much do GPU prices actually drop when a newer generation releases? I'm considering getting a 4070 Ti Super, but I can wait a bit if I can save a pretty penny doing so.

>>102293063
CL30 ram, cpu kinda overpowered for a 6800xt but i think you know that

>>102293063
Also will I actually be able to get 6400 mhz on the ram?

>>102293091
I will upgrade the GPU later when new models come out.

>>102292661
Maybe I will. Thing is I already have a 1440p monitor and I know a 306012GB can run modern games like Helldivers 2 and Space Marines 2 at that resolution at 60FPS+ whilst maintaining high quality textures. The Halo Infinite video I watched is a nail in the coffin for 8GB low-mid end cheap GPUs. If it happens in a game like that then it will happen elsewhere (and it does). At this low range 306012GB seems like the best at around £200 used or £225 new depending. Going for a 4060 or 3060 ti seems like a mistake

>>102293063
>White build
>black cooler
bro

>>102293086
it's not going to drop until they've calculated there's like 2 average units in stock across every store, which is when bots will instantly purchase them, so realistically never

>>102291915
DLSS needs vram afaik. Or maybe that's framegen.

>>102293005
thinks of the size constraints bwo...

>>102292862
windows 11 24h2 is as fast as windows 10
>>102293096
if you have to ask then no

>>102293151
>if you have to ask then no
Which ram speed should I get that will require zero fucking around with timings and shit like that in the BIOS. The furthest I want to go is enabling XMP.

Also guys, I can get a WD_BLACK SN770 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD Gen 4 for like 50 bongs less, worth it?

>>102293171
6000cl30 is the best you can hope for
5600cl28 if you want absolutely guaranteed

>>102293075
>I mean to say, would the psu, if it's not supported for the motherboard, work to power the gpu anyway?
I do not believe this would work.

>>102292228
Raw framerate data isn't the full picture. You need to see visual quality (lowres textures on 8GB vram sometimes), frame time data (stutters) and 1% lows.

>>102293150
flexatx exists tho, too bad there's 0 reputable psu's made with it. I'm pretty sure you could regular atx and still keep it pretty small if you custom build it.

>>102293186
Okay thanks

>>102293235
most people get 6000cl30

>>102292811
Try booting it outside the case. You might not have those insulated caps or screws or whatever they are, that separate the motherboard from the case.

>>102293059
what chipset is the motherboard? HP might have stripped it down so much that it just can't work with that gpu. Who knows what corner cutting they did, HP are literal e-waste at the date of purchase.

>>102293235
6000cl30 and just turn on expo in the bios, it's as easy as xmp

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>>102293200
Makes sense, now I have something to go off
>>102292965
>>102292996
I guess the better question is, how would I hook up an HP PSU to this? I was unsure how it could, the psu just has the weird proprietary connector and the two 4-pins
>>102293259
8096 iirc
If I gotta either buy a better HP PSU or throw this in the garbage and start from scratch I will. You figure those are my 2 options?

i have a choice between a zotac gpu and a pny one. which one?

>>102290886
you're not allowed to have cringe anime stickers unless you're running linux, then it circles around to based

>>102293325
the cheaper one always

>>102293096
lol

>>102293325
get the one with the better heatsink. look up the weight of each card if there are no reviews.

>>102293063
6400 MT/s isn't guaranteed even with manual fiddling

>>102293137
Frame Gen only
Super Res decreases VRAM needs relative to full res

>>102293205
Hellblade 2 has no problem with 8 GB cards, as is typical for the vast majority of games, such as the recently released Spess Muhreen Too >>102291821

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>800 usd for a 4070 super on my country
>my mom can bring me one for 600usd because she's traveling to USA and coming back at the end of September

I'm currently using a 3060ti for 1440p gaming, and I'm struggling to get past 60fps on some games (FFXVI and Wukong) so I'm in the verge of asking her to bring me a 4070 super. It is worth for 2k gaming? I don't want to wait like 1 year and a half to purchase a 5060 at 600usd, and 600usd it's the limit of my budget for a card. Can I hope for the 5000 series to be NOT that great in comparison to the 3000 into 4000 leap?

>>102293382
turn down your settings or use the dlss meme
upgrading in 1 gen is a top fag move

>>102293059
>I have an MSI PSU hooked up solely to the GPU, everything else is onboard HP.
The GPU should be firing up, have you jumped it correctly?
I'd say your initial idea is right it's very weird the GPU isn't starting up or drawing power if it's just hooked up to a regular PSU. With the HP PSU they could have all sorts of other proprietary issues.

>>102293183
I mean yeah that's worth it since it's normally double that

>>102293460
Yeah, the GPU is just hooked to the MSI through PCIE, that's the only place it can draw power from. Jump the gpu? Is that a thing? I just jumped the PSU

>>102293515
I followed this
https://www.avadirect.com/blog/how-to-test-basic-psu-functionality-jumper-paperclip-test/

AMD should just absorb Intel

>>102293515
>>102293460
Brainblast, should I keep it jumped on the 24pin while its connected through pcie to the gpu?

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Okay mein negers, made some adjustments so I can get it all delivered on Friday from amazon. Will order tomorrow and will get free friday delivery.

>>102293589
Of course - that is how it maintains the on signal.

>>102293634
>Black psu
cmon bro

I was tasked with building a PC that can handle 10 displays. I have no idea what those might be, they could be mismatched 2005 TVs for all I know, so I should prepare for the worst. How do I do this for cheap, just two GPUs and a bag full of asorted adapters?

>>102293652
:0
I'll report back when I make it home

>>102293654
nigga, the white one costs 40 bongs more

>>102293695
First off you'll want to get a clear spec. Aside from that I'd look into used pro cards. There's models out there with a bunch of ports for this exact application (though two cards might be cheaper). Finally, the main application for 5+ monitors is day trading so try reading some /biz/ type forums for ideas.

>>102290886
>1080p: RTX 4070 Ti Super
This is the most retarded recommendation I have ever seen.

>>102293392
It's a 50% performance update from a 3060ti to a 4070super, not counting the DLSS 3.0, thats why im considering too, its a huge upgrade in my book, not a 20/30 one like others gens leaps.

>>102293770
this. it's a 1440 card

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>>102293634
For the price of the peerless assassin you could get the beefier frost commander. Basically 40 quid for the PA is a bit much imo given how it has been priced in the past.

>>102293108
I would say it's black build with white case.
No, the mobo isn't white or at least as white as it's black.

>>102293867
Thanks I'll add that in, seems much better.

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The cables on this thing have given out. What's a good latest case to get? Bonus if it comes with drive bays and ssd hookups like the Fractal here.

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>>102293382
FFXVI is a stuttering trash heap. Not worth playing it right now
For Wukong you should use optimized settings and DLSS
https://youtu.be/NlkgVAWqcKY?si=RumybYMPNWpsD6y_

Personally I don't think the 3060 Ti to 4070 Super is quite a big enough upgrade, but as you say there's no telling how good or bad next gen XX60 class products will be, so waiting is always a gamble, especially if cards are more expensive in your region

>>102293797
You can use FSR Frame Gen with DLSS Super Res in the interim. FSR Frame Gen is way better with DLSS Super res than with FSR Super Res because it has higher quality frames to work with

>>102293634
P3 Plus is garbage compared to other options

What does nvidia low latency set to ultra actually do?
I have a problematic game and it seems to fix framerate issues, even if it turns framerates down a notch it stays smooth.

>>102294040
>P3 Plus is garbage compared to other options
Okay fuck it, I added a Samsung 990 PRO instead since the anon saved me some money on the cooler.

Just grab your 4070 super and solder extra vram on top

>>102293976
Replace the cables?

>>102293976
pop air
torrent
north

>>102294179
not worth it. Ive had this case for six years and dont feel like weaving the cables with new ones. The design is so annoying to replace

>>102294220
Hard to believe you've had a Meshify 2, released 2020, for six years.

>>102294238
my bad. I got it in 2021. six years is the total for my pc which Im replacing bit by bit

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>>102294040
It's looks good enough for me as an upgrade tho. I use my monitor at 120hz cap to being able to use a better color range on my monitor, so i'm not interested in more than 120 fps. But yeah, maybe I'll regret it next year if the 5000 series bring some new DLSS tech or some stuff, but I truly believe that a 3060ti into a 4070 super its not a minor upgrade in terms of fps. Also im pretty sure that my 3060ti its going to struggle a lot with MH Wilds, the other game that im waiting for.

And about those fsr/dlss3.0 mods, some people claim that it look kinda blurry and with noticeable latency if FG is used.

>>102293976
Lancool 216

>>102294263
Okay fair. IMO there's not really anything strictly better unless you want a specific niche feature. Cases don't move nearly as fast as their internals. Like I would say the Lancool 3 but if you've managed to break the cables on your M2 then all those moving parts won't last long.

>>102294330
the only thing that broke were the power front cover buttons.

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-unveils-full-power-of-maxwell-gpu-architecture-with-breakthroughs-in-performance-graphics-efficiency-6622534

September 18, 2014

NVIDIA MAXWELL 10 YEARS OLD
STILL FULLY SUPPORTED ON MAINLINE DRIVERS

NVIDIA, STABLE ROCK SOLID DRIVER SUPPORT, AYYMDEAD, ABANDONED WITH NO DRIVERS

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16775/amd-moves-gcn-1-2-3based-gpus-and-apus-to-legacy-also-drops-win7-support

Consequently, AMD’s lengthy legacy list includes the Radeon 7000 and 8000 series, as well as the 200, 300, and Fury series.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/21126/amd-reduces-ongoing-driver-support-for-polaris-and-vega-gpus

>>102294157
It's really sad that the only bigger number Radeon has is useless VRAM

>>102294277
>mods
I'm not saying to use a mod: I'm saying to use a native implementation of FSR Frame Gen. Unfortunately Wukong doesn't have it, and that will be the case sometimes in that FSR has much less support than DLSS. The 4070 Super is about a 67% improvement over the 3060 Ti, which isn't horrible, but IMO the minimum you should look for is a 2x improvement jump when upgrading your card

Framegen looks like shit and I'm tired of people not calling it out for what it is. Until Nvidia can figure out how to display UI elements over the generation, then it's doomed to cause some awful looking streaky dogshit.

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>>102294396
based

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>>102293770
THIS.
It should be
>1080p: 4090*
*60hz monitors only

When will better GPUs be out

>>102294646
>better GPUs
the 5090 will be out in Q1 next year
better priced GPUs will be out in Q4 of this year.

>>102294646
Stop kvetching and just buy the 4090 now, you won't regret it. Life is too short to wait 3 months

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>>102290886
When are GPUs with 120mm fans going to be standard? The connector is going to be recessed anyways so that shouldn't be a problem. And most cases are more compatible with a thicker but shorter card.

>>102294670
>better priced GPUs will be out in Q4 of this year.
doubt.jpg

when will having a gen 5 PCIe start to matter?
I know there is little difference between 4 and 3 but that's because current cards are only now starting to become powerful enough to require extra bandwidth

>>102294396
do GPUs this old need new drivers?
>win7 support
even Microsoft doesn't support this OS
old GPUs are only useful in old OSes and in that case you're better off offline playing old games anyway...

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Anyone bought a G502 X?
I'm considering buying one but I don't know if its worth it to upgrade from my 4 year old G502

what CPU and TDP setting for a small low-profile ITX case. Cooler height is limited to like 70mm. Recommended cooler also appreciated

>>102294799
>what CPU and TDP
for what?

Is VRAM important or not?

>>102294807
id be pushing it as hard as i can. encoding, compiling, gaming

>>102294837
If you're going to be playing modern unoptimized slop, yes.

>>102294686
this retarded card

then a few months Later NVIDIA announces they are shutterring all 4080s lol

I wonder what retards bought this thing

I really want to buy a GPU I can't believe 50 series is not out yet we don't even have any official news

this time in 2022 we had 4090s confirmed by jensen

What reason is there to get a 4070 super over a 7800xt if you don't care about ray tracing? The 7800xt is 100 bongs cheaper.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/amd-deprioritizing-flagship-gaming-gpus-jack-hyunh-talks-new-strategy-for-gaming-market
HAHAHAHAHA

>>102294686
>thicker but shorter card.
Not until we get a power cable that doesn't explode if you bend it too tight

>>102294670
>better priced GPUs will be out in Q4 of this year.
such as?

>monitor makes swapping out panels to make them shittier

The sentence? Death.

>>102294920
RDNA 4 and Battlemage

>>102294898
First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set.

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>>102294948
>102294898

btw this is not bias here's the reviews for both cards

>>102294948
>ignore your lying eyes, higher fps per dollar is not better

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Hold the fuck up, is our resident nvidia shill employed not by nvidia, but by userbenchmark!?

>>102291821
Poorfag seething he doesn't get to put his 5 year old GPU's in the OP

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>userbenchmark

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>>102294918
I had to check it and apparently on the Noctua it isn't pushed further in, but on another wide card like the Aorus Master it is.

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>>102293460
>>102293652
Just wanna say thanks, never messed around with hooking up a psu to a gpu before, you helped me realize I was a dumbass and it's working great now, big ups

>>102294898
Any non meme answers?

>>102290886
>1080p: RTX 4070 Ti Super, RX 7900 GRE
>just spend twice the price of a PS5 on a single GPU to play at 1080p!!!
Dumb and fucking retarded

>>102295045
nvidia is plug and play

>>102290978
You can generally chalk up 90% of bad reviews on most things that are usually well received to incompetence, impatience or manlet rage.

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Holy shit! just copped myself the Crucial Pro RAM 32GB Kit (2x16GB) DDR5 5600MH for $60. Insta bought it and then refreshed the page and the price went up to $180

>>102295045
there isn't any reason but you might regret buying either if the rumours about the 8800XT are true.

>>102295069
>8800XT
more mid from AMiD

>>102295055
I've never had an issue with AMD cards personally.

Users love Userbenchmark

reviewers (paid marketers) hate him

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>>102294974
>gpupro
>pic related is by cpupro
I'm noticing
>>102295088
It automatically sucks by having an insane pro-intel schizo on board.

Is the ryzen 5 5600 stock cooler good enough for light gayming or will my cpu melt?
If a cooler is a MUST whats a good budget options sry for being poor bros

are gigabyte am5 boards good?
>did they have the same problems as early asus
>do they come with intrusive bloatware like asus

>>102295141
You need a 360mm AIO for that furnace.

>>102295141
It's a 65w cpu bro. It's just gonna be louder because the packaged Wraith cooler is small.

>>102295141
Yes it is. But if you can spare a bit then this is nice and cheap.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/44YRsY/thermalright-assassin-x-120-v2-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ax120-v2

>>102295141
What's your PC case? I had the stock cooler in my NZXT Case, and it fucking shut down because it got too hot. I put a Noctua in it and fixed all its problems.

>>102295141
any $20 cooler is fine for that if you really feel like the stock isn't enough

>>102295131
its not so much that they're pro intel, they have an irrational hatred of AMD

Thought about my build? Opinions anything to improve?
First time builder in Germany and budget not higher than that.
Its for gaming 1440p and fps that uses the 166hz of the monitor (Monster Hunter Wilds, Elden Ring, maybe Wukong) and drawing with a tablet.
I care about longevity and reliability, my old pc lasted me for 9 years and only 1 fan broke in this time. Ty

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BsBdpB

>>102293107
Maybe increase your budget a bit and look for second hand 6800 / 6800 XT? I've seen some of the cheaper AIB models go for around ~280 pounds.

>>102295161
I mean amd gpus aren't something to write home about, but any legit critique gets drowned by that ultraschizo. The cpu hate is just plain autism though.

>>102295161
>they have an irrational hatred of AMD
wow, sound vaguely familiar

Bros should I get a 6650XT for $350 CAD or the 4060 for $400 CAD? I plan on selling them once the new generation drops, but in the meantime I want a card that can play older games at 1440p. It's favorable to get the 6650 because I do use Mint, however it'll be harder to resell. Plus I like that the 4060 draws a lot less power.

>>102295207
4060 of course

>>102295207
>It's favorable to get the 6650 because I do use Mint
Just go for it then, Nvidia's drivers for Ubuntu based distros are ass.

>>102295207
>I plan on selling them once the new generation drops
will get $100 less resale 6650XT vs 4060

>>102294686
Hopefully never
Honestly tired of GPU manufacturers trying to make ATX like ITX because they block all the PCIe slots

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>>102294898
DLSS, obviously
Among many, many other reasons
Also RT is going to be standard in most games, meaning the 4070 Super will have an even greater lead
https://youtu.be/l5Y7nOtXM38?si=o0e-5tYWjaQvneWf&t=271

>>102294837
Not if you have to trade DLSS for it

>>102295009
>$800 graphics card is the minimum for 1080p poorfags
OK retard

>>102295083
Unobservant

>>102295188
>wukong
>radeon
Radeon has rendering errors in Wukong
In addition to forcing you to use FSR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfI9rmTnxe8&t=331s

>>102291877
A clean paint brush is my go to. Bristles soft enough to get anywhere and dislodge dust.

>>102295241
How about for non-gaymin applications (got Windows dual booted for that)?
>>102295256
That's just expected with AMD cards
t. lost 125 bucks for my 6500XT

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>RT high on 3060ti

>>102295273
>Unobservant
>Says this while promoting DLSS, saying it's great and not a blurry shitfest

>>102295324
clearly never used DLSS3 in real life

>>102295273
Can driver update fix this? I dont mind playing not immediatly

>>102293382
Get Super Ti, it's only 50 more.

>>102295155
>>102295160
>>102295150

If i add a cooler the i5-12400f option becomes cheaper, would you guys pick that over the r5 5600?
Only thing making me choose the ryzen right now is the better performance on multiplayer games with big maps

>>102293634
Choose a videocard!
Choose a monitor!

>>102295353
Ryzen is just better than Intel.

>>102295353
Get the 5600X and you have basically the best low-tier cpu you can get now.

what cooler should i get if im limited to like 75mn height

>>102295391
what about arrow lake

>>102295397
one smaller than that

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>>102295336
It can fix the rendering issues but not the fact that you'll be forced to use FSR, which is basically a rendering issue in and of itself, as it destroys image quality

>>102295324
Don't take my word for it. Here's the analysis >>102292284 Usually better than or equivalent to native image quality at 1440p or 4K in Quality mode, while being much faster

It's funny that you say you've never noticed an issue with Radeon when pretty much all the latest games have major issues at launch (like Wukong, where the """""fix"""" AMD recommends) is to disable the lighting in the game

>>102295332
I have a 4080 super and dlss looks blurry as shit

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which one guys?

>>102295605
Eagle with the Quiet BIOS switch flipped

Is 850w gold enough to run a 13900k w/ AIO and a 4090?

>>102295342
Super TI it's 800usd anon, and the Super alone it's 600 usd. What are you even talking about?

>>102295537
You did not buy a 4080 Super to use DLSS stop playing

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lol enjoy your X870 series motherboards bros

>>102295646
>x870
everything is the same as the b650e except they need usb 4 too

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>>102290886
Is it possible to bake lower stock clocks into a GPU with VBIOS editing? I have a 6900xt that crashes at stock but at -300mhz or so it's perfectly fine. But everytime my PC resets unexpectantly Assdrenalin resets my underclock config and i have to set it back.

>>102292286
Were you to fat and lazy to line up at the same location as the video?

>>102294837
It's one of the most important thing to consider if you're playing at 4K. Do NOT buy <=12GB, those cards are going to be totally fucked in a few years, especially for AAA titles. Even 16GB is feeling the heat, which is almost unthinkable.

>>102295629
I need it for Cyberpunk RT. Makes the game look blurry as shit but it runs better.

Nvidia has been doing tricks like this since forever, I wasn't born yesterday. They take shortcuts to graphics and still overprice their stuff but at least they still got the lead.

>>102295698
DLSS Quality looks close enough to native for me not to care.

>>102295537
Compared to what? Most games have TAA. Modern games and GPUs cannot use MSAA at playable framerates together. So what could you possibly think looks better? FSR, The spatial upscaler? Native is dead and you claiming to hate DLSS on your 4080S despite any game with RT needing it for Ray Reconstruction shows you are either dumb or don't actually own one.

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>>102295646
No, I don't think I will.

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>>102295688
This is the same thing retards said about 4K last generation
In fact it's always the same retarded song and dance

>>102295813
at least get bluetooth and wifi lil bro.

>>102295813
In my country this motherboard is 200 bucks. Is it worth it? PRO B650M-A WIFI is also 200 bucks as a point of reference.

>>102295850
I mean I would say it's a pretty good bet not to buy a 12GB GPU for 4K even though I agree 12GB is fine for 1440p. Don't think you should argue that's enough for 4K. You have to have a powerful enough card to use 4K to begin with though. 4080S+

>>102295813
>m with the worse thermals
>not even steel legend for the gen5
anon...

>>102294796
>Anyone bought a G502 X?
me, after my g502 proteus spectrum died out of nowhere
>I don't know if its worth it to upgrade from my 4 year old G502
I don't know why you would even consider such "upgrade", it's a sidegrade at best
imo it's only an upgrade if your current one is the hero model with double clicking issues (new one has optical switches) or you'd prefer a lighter mouse, otherwise... it's literally the same mouse but... without rgbs, worse software, and pretty much no real upgrades
I guess the easier to access sniper button is nice, and the ptfe feets are good too but you can just buy some for the regular g502
so yeah, there you go

>>102295646
>>102295659
>white mainboard
im sold. so sick of black boards

>>102295646
who even buys high end motherboard anons? I buy around the $200 range. Waste of money unless you are pushing high memory speeds or need more pcie lanes. Known tons of people that buy a $300 z790 mobo for a 12600k.

>>102295929
upvoted

>>102295929
>I buy around the $200 range
wait... is that not high end? i buy in the $120 range.

Anyone have a KTC monitor?

>>102295813
>1 m.2
uhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>102295974
it has 3

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>>102295896
>You have to have a powerful enough card
Correct. This is the crux of the issue. You could make the argument that someone should spend the extra on the 4070 Ti Super over the 4070 Super (preferably a 4080 Super to at least get 4K DLSS Quality for as long as possible), but the performance is fairly similar between the 4070s, and I doubt there's going to be a huge difference in the longevity of the cards. The 4070 Super is already a 4K DLSS Performance card in a lot of situations, so the buyer will likely be limited by the performance of the GPU before he's limited by the VRAM. But if he really wants to go budget, even something like a 4070 Super will suffice in the vast majority of cases: that's the definition of a budget option

>>102295961
I'm using one right now. H27T22

>>102296009
does it turn the x16 slot into an x8 if you fill them all though?

>>102295850
30fps is not acceptable fps in 2024 come on now

>>102296211
>66% upscaling
yikes

>>102291298
Do not go with a 3060Ti for 1440p let alone 1080p. It is nearly a 4 years old card, so unless you plan on upgrading again when 5000 series come out do not buy it.

>>102291298
>Due to circumstances I'm kinda interested in a budget 1440p GPU. I currently have a 1660 super.
2080 Ti or 3080 Ti

>>102296229
What's it like?

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>>102296296
That's the point: without DLSS, the cards are useless relatively soon.
If you at all care about the longevity of the card, you need a card with DLSS, because it will give you acceptable image quality even with a low input resolution as the card ages

>>102296229
>>102296331
The H27T22S is 159 at amazon right now. Wonder how good it is.

>>102296342
>>102296342
>>102296342

>>102296341
Are there any reviews on pcpartpicker?

>>102295646
motherboard vendors are still trying to get that covid money
I feel bad for intelstans who are going to have to pay $400 for a Z890 board

Can somebody tell where I can buy an Asrock b650 Steel Legend? I can't find that board anywhere

>>102296331
>>102296341
It's a great monitor. Zero ghosting on the Blurbuster UFO test. Colors look really good in 10bit full RGB mode. The stand can adjust the height and you can rotate it. It has some RGB lights in the back if you like that stuff but you can turn it off in the OSD. Has Freesync Premium + Gsync compatible but I have a AMD GPU.

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>>102293695
Cards like these were built to be display units
You should ideally find out what kind of displays you need to hook up though.

>>102295929
>who even buys high end motherboard
people who dont want bloody bullshit colored PCBs

>>102296484
Are you talking like blue and green colored PCBs? Yeah I wouldn't dip that low either. I mostly meant people buying expensive chipsets for low-end chips and never even touching the bios or using the features the board has.

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>>102296519
>blue and green colored PCBs
return to tradition

>>102294796
I have the original G502, G502 Lightspeed and this and I'd say they're all really similar. G502X has better switches but I think the shape of the G502 was better.
It's only worth changing if you've got some kind of issue with your G502. Both of mine had the rubber completely melt away on both sides and my G502 Lightspeed switches started double clicking (which I fixed anyway by resoldiering some better switches). And I was eventually able to fix the rubber issue by buying replacement shells from aliexpress so I basically have 3 brand new mice.

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>>102296547
we need blue and red pcb back.
nowadays mobos look more like transformers than electronics

>>102296644
literally any color other than black

>>102293695
displaying the same thing on 10 screens or 10 distinct displays?

>>102296463
fyi asus makes a 4 hdmi port gt 710
a couple of those + built in graphics on a mobo with an hdmi + dvi port would be enough for 10 screens
>>102297149
yeah this is important
if it's the former, cheap hdmi splitters will do the trick

>>102293759
Bossman is a retarded (actual) boomer so asking questions is out, he'll just mark me as incompetent.
>>102297301
Yeah it's 10 different things (but not /biz/shit). Does Windows even support 10 desktops or am I on a fool's errand?

>>102297409
>Does Windows even support 10 desktops
a quick google search suggests it does

>>102297514
Sorry if I seem retarded but in my line of work I've learned to never trust advertised specs and capabilities (served me pretty well with PCs too if I think about it).

>>102297601
Windows can technically handle an infinite number of screens but the UI for arranging/organizing them craps out at 10