im sorry i didnt keep you alive

framework thread >>102313465

new intel chip
>>102313797
>>102316208

>>102300410
w530

just set up my "new" Thinkpad X60. The palm rest is super hot with the default intel wifi card, does anyone know if atheros mini pci cards run less hot?

>>102319976
ath9k the 9462 is best i think

>>102319984
Can't find 9462 on aliexpress. I ordered AR9280. Hopefully it's compatible and doesn't run so hot

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>>102319976
I've been using this X60 all day, and this hot palm rest completely ruins the experience. Tell me it gets better please or I'll throw this laptop + dock combo off the roof

>>102317728
T-490s
i7-8665u
16GB
512 GB

300$

thoughts?

>>102320058
lol you fucked up, the AR92xx series runs really hot, you need an AR9380 or AR9462

No epoxy on my ram and rom.

>>102321349
see >>102321487
Since the X60 takes a full size card, I would specifically recommend the AR9380. Also, I hope you're running libreboot because there is a whitelist with the stock BIOS that won't let you had unapproved cards.

>>102317728
just got a T430 for $30, battery is barely alive but it works ok, feeling good today.

Any thinkpad for a gamer? I need some kind of gpu, amd one would be cool. iGPUs can't even run doom wads nowadays

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>>102321511
Planning on installing Libreboot once the new wifi card arrives.
Would pic related do the trick?
>for MacBook Pro
??

>>102321511
use this one >>102319984
there are mpcie adapters for it thats just half pracket piece to fill the slop

half size wifi cards make less heat

>>102321511
Any advantage to going for the bigger card over the smaller one (AR9462) with an adapter?

>>102321934
Thanks, that's what I would have thought as well

>>102321923
Yes. Fun fact, that was Apple's preferred card on their high end macbook pro around 2009.
>>102321934
Having used both AR9462 and AR9380 in an X60, I would say the AR9380 actually ran slightly cooler, at least that was my experience having librebooted about a dozen of these over the years.

>>102321936
The heatsink on the AR9380 is incredibly nice and helps dissipate heat since it's got double the surface area of the AR9462. They both run relatively cool compared to the AR92xx series, so it's not a big deal either way. I use the AR9462 on the X200 and T400 and it's fine.

>>102321923
https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/ath9k

yes
>>102322210
94xx is meant to be better than 93xx, show thermal camera of both wifi cards or fake and gay

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>>102322210
Does it make the X60 usable in your opinion, or is it still too hot to be comfortable?

>>102322246
>94xx is meant to be better than 93xx, show thermal camera of both wifi cards or fake and gay
I haven't had an X60 in years, I'm simply telling you my personal experience. Like I said, there wasn't much difference overall and OP probably wouldn't notice given how negligible it was.
>>102322389
Yeah it was fine. The main issue now is the X60 is an 18 year old laptop, so don't expect to be doing much modern stuff with it.

Is X390 cheapest ubuntu certified laptop?
Is all thinkpad run Linux fine?

https://ubuntu.com/certified/laptops

>>102322497
Went for the 9380 because shipping for the adapter would have cost extra. If it's still too hot I'll just return it and go for the 9462. Thanks again for the suggestion.
>18 year old laptop
works well enough for browsing 4chan when wfh, and if it weren't for the hot palm rest it would be a joy to use. Love the tactile sensation of the keyboard.

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I flashed the EC and corebooted on my x230 few years ago. I swapped the original keyboard for the classic one. I now realize I like the x230 original keyboard more. Do I need to flash official Lenovo BIOS back to change the EC for x230 keyboard layout again? Do I need to do an external flash with my raspberry pi again or can I flash it with just software?

Got this puppy for 170€, but it had a broken screen

120€ for the new screen and 30pin cable, and it looks good imho.

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>>102323689
Heres the panel and cable

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Prices of the W700 when i did my guide.
can anyone guess why it went up in 2021? C:

Do they still sell passes for $10 or $20 a year? considering to get one because of the fucking minute long ass wait to post and capactcha


>>102319515
This is correct

>>102321349
Beer can mod it.

>>102321387
>https://dankpads.com/tpg/
Its a bit high if youre in USA, but where you placed the $ says you're not... So I'm gonna say its a fair price if youre in the EU. These can be optioned with a WQHD screen, but my eyes found that bothersome in 14" so FHD is good (hope its the one with the privacy guard).
On my price guide, i have that as "high" being $300.
These have soldered RAM, so 16GB is the middle, 8Gb is base and 32GB max.
The average sold low price is $151 and medium is $208.
$350 is the price for reputable sellers and those who guarantee a warranty (not saying other seller prices dont).

>>102321828
Look at the T15g series, those come with 2070 or 3070 for gen 1 or gen 2. Its basically a P15 w/ gamer graphics.
Note if you're buying on eBay, searching "T15g" will get you results from the base spec T15 machine that can come with an iGPU.

If you go to my price guide site and click onto the spreadsheet, I have a curated under cocaine and duress a specific search to find T15g systems while segregating the shitty ones.

X1 Extreme Gen 4 and Gen 5 came with RTX 3050 to 3080, but some do come with intel graphics instead. :) Less CPU cooling.

>>102322569
>over a thousand laptops on this list
That's going to take a long as fucking time to find out...
The X390 it lists says i7-8565U CPU, so thats Whiskey lake
A cheap ass one starts around $150 and goes up to $240 for my recommendation, you can spend more if you want.
Just be sure to get that CPU, or maybe another Whiskey lake unit, note some X390 systems come with a previous CPU, Comet lake. However last time I did my price guide in July of 2024, there was only 9 comets sold against 175 Whiskey cocks, so just be a bit catious.

>>102323816
>Beer can mod it.
What does this mean?

>>102323666
flashrom -p internal
undo thinkpad-ec keyboard patch
externally flash coreboot again

never undone the patch but probably easy

>>102323816
god i want W700 so bad, coreboot can be ported to it since its same as t500 and w500, imagine quad core mod in W700
absolute weapon

i saw one selling on dba for 300 usd but it sold basically instantly

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>>102323866
Hmmm.. Wasn't there an option to lock or unlock that internal flashing? I have a bad feeling I have it locked if that was the case.. I haven't looked into the thing yet so is undoing the patch just just reflashing it with the options changed to not change kb layout? Flashing original BIOS doesn't reset the EC? If it doesn't why couldn't one just reflash the EC after corebooting?

>>102324060
iomem=relaxed in linux cli

>>102324076
>>102324060
>If it doesn't why couldn't one just reflash the EC after corebooting?
there is no publicly known method to flash ec, with thinkpad-ec its done through oem bios with some hack

>Flashing original BIOS doesn't reset the EC?
you can use thinkpad-ec without coreboot therefore bios is not related to ec
they are stored separately

>>102323882
what's desirable about the W700?

>>102324097
beefiest thinkpad that doesnt require binary blobs
x200 big brother

>>102324149
meaning most performant thinkpad that can run entirely free opensource software?

>>102324223
yes, also has max 16 gigs of ram compared to 8 gigs of other same era models

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>>102323882
Having owned a W700ds, the big dissapointment was the flex in the keyboard, the chassis around the damn thing isn't like a T60, it allows some squish.
But fuck that thing was massive.
The Dell Precision M6400 is better if you want Core 2 Quad and 16:10, with it you had no GPU whitelist, 4 RAM slots, had better screens, Covet edition if you wanted that, and will support mSATA SSDs if you need that third drive.

>>102323848
Cut the palmrest and place a beer can on the thing with poked holes for ventilation. Caveman mod. I suggest the bios upgrade w/ the wifi whitelists.Someome might have the imae, it was originally for an X61.

>>102324223
No, I think a xx30 generation Thinkpad will do better, nVidia FX series would get shat on by 2nd or 3rd gen core graphics, unless you really needed a dGPU alongside an iGPU for like streaming/video recording.

I think the T440p can be corebooted, idk about libre. Way more powerful. cant some 5th gen models get uncucked too?

>>102324306
>Cut the palmrest and place a beer can on the thing with poked holes for ventilation.
I can only imagine the beer can will get in the way while I'm trying to type

>>102324503
not everyone has what it takes to be that comfy

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Can i use an adapter from T400 for T480s with this plug converter from barrel to Type C? Both are 20V, 65W, 3.25 A. Or the lack of PD will fuck things up?

What is a good price to pay for T420 with
>1tb hdd
>8gb ddr3
>i5 2520m
>good battery

>>102324306
>Cut the palmrest and place a beer can on the thing with poked holes for ventilation. Caveman mod. I suggest the bios upgrade w/ the wifi whitelists.Someome might have the imae, it was originally for an X61.
How does this work, I'm not sure I understand what part of the beer can you are using

>>102324306
>the big dissapointment was the flex in the keyboard
have you tried putting foam under the keyboard?

xx30 cannot run without binary blobs

x200 and related models are last thinkpads that are binary blob free

what is an acceptable price for a t480s in current year

>>102325025
thinking to buy this for 100e, is it worth it?

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My Carbon automatically wakes from sleep at some point and hibernates. I want it to do this in a shorter time period than it's currently doing it. How can I configure the hibernate cutoff to 1 hour?

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I have a budget of 1500$ usd I want to put towards a good ~16in 1080p OLED display laptop for movies and light gaming. Not planning on fucking around with Linux and I don't really care if it's a Thinkpad or a gamer laptop.

My current laptop is slow as shit. If it comes with an SSD that would be nice. A decent CPU is a must. discrete GPU is less necessary but would be nice I guess.

>>102328020
>1500$ usd
the final boss of ESL

got an x200s from neighbor, where can I buy a good battery and not getting chinked?

>>102329524
aliexpress kingsener

>>102329491
I'm white and live in the us actually. I genuinely don't care if the dollar sign goes before or after. It really doesn't matter.

>>102329546
uhh sure but even if you said "$1500 usd" that would still be "1500 usd usd"

whatever

>$1500
>if it comes with an SSD that would be nice
as opposed to eMMC? For that price you're getting an SSD or being scammed and getting nothing

>>102329530
>aliexpress kingsener
sirs I dont want to get chinked, please sir post website for europeans please post helpful for the warmful people

>>102329615
nigga I'm from evropa
I ordered a screen from aliexpress once
It's not a jeet site, just redeem the battery and return it if it's bad
Aliexpress has very good return policies

>>102329572
I want an SSD preferably nvme. Open to using used or open box from reputable sources. I just don't want to spend 2 grand or more for a laptop that I'm only going to use to watch movies in bed.

>>102329615
if you REALLY don't want to order from aliexpress-
I am from Poland and I bought a GreenCell battery from Allegro. It's a decent brand. I don't know any "european" websites that sell stuff because I either buy from aliexpress or allegro.

but yeah, GreenCell is fine

>>102323666
That's what I did. Reflash with Lenovo bios (+ stock EC) -- the vulnerable one in 1vyprep, I don't remember the version (1.62?). Start from scratch.

I used the same Hamish EC mod flash and turned the keyboard patch off but turned the others for whitelist/battery on. Then reflash custom bios again with your preferred method. There may be a smarter way to go about it.

>>102329634
I cant wait 6 months to find out the battery is shit as it explodes into my big european cock
>>102329665
thanks fren

>>102329773
>6 month
The screen I bought arrived in a week but yeah it looks like the kingsener batteries take at least 2 month to arrive. Still- if you find kingsener in an european shop then go for it. Although I imagine it's not much better than GreenCell since it's all chink shit with (probably) the same battery cells anyway. The best option is to find an original battery but good luck finding that 16 years after the laptop was released.

I wish it was possible to just swap the cells. I guess it wouldn't be really safe but I would take the risk.

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When mounting a heatsink you know how it says tighten screws of side A > D > C > B or 1 > 4 > 3 > 2, a star pattern in other words, yeah? when the manual says that, does it mean tighten side A all the way down, then side D and so on, OR does it mean tighten down 2-3 turns side A, then 2-3 turns side and so on?

>>102329954
>tighten down 2-3 turns side A, then 2-3 turns side [B] and so on
This is the correct way.

Im an idiot. Been using an old thinkpad for a year or few now. WHY cant there be a decent battery for them? What would it actually take for a decent "new" battery for old thinkpads, lipo or dcell? Again im an idiot and replacing cells insnt an option.

>>102330814
just buy a new laptop goyim

>>102317728
/g/uys...i just got my first thinkpad today, and i dont think i can ever use another kind of laptop again. i love it so much

>>102331897
what kind

I upgraded the ram on my T520 from 8gb to 16gb. On the bios screen and inside windows it shows fully and works fine, but the boot splash black screen says I only have 6gb.

Is this normal?

>>102332407
Actually its not even 6gb closed, its "6384 MB system ram passed"

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had a bootloop issue a few weeks back on my t450, figured either the CMOS or MOBO was playing up. wouldnt boot with new cmos so I ordered a new mobo from china.

installation went smoothly, same cpu i5-5300u, only thing i lost was my custom bios image.

years ago purchased a 1080p IPS panel to replace the 1600x900 TN panel that comes with the t450. as well as extra ram + msata ssd.

I love this machine so goddamn much

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>>102329759
Flashed Lenovo BIOS with flashrom -p internal?
I just checked x230 flashing and you can nowadays flash coreboot internally from stock Bios? That wasn't the case when I did it!

>>102333290
G00d
should have got t440p for coreboot doe

Why is the mic so bad, I thought you could attend online business meeting with these ones.

Thoughts on Windows 11 on a 8GB ram Thinkpad yoga? Wondering if it's worth it to downgrade it to win10.

>>102333290
I can never have the balls to do this because I'm afraid I'd mess it up

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Finally got my T400, spent all night installing Void and messing with it. Are there any guides for setting up the graphics drivers? I think I've installed the stuff I need in the Void Handbook, but this thing doesn't handle Half Life and Quake 1 at native resolution. What am I missing?

>>102335784
>steam
lol
lmao even

I wouldnt mind soldering shits if those bricks were thinner. Why arent they building sub 12inch laplops anymore.

>>102329868
might look into it, any tutorials or experience on swapping the cells?
It has a bios version (3.22 1.07) which detects rejects knock off batteries.I have read is that people just had to deactivate a "battery managing plan" on windows.. Can I ditch this fuckery by installing linux? If not should I downgrade the bios or directly switch to libreboot?

>>102335784
the only driver you need is i915 which should come with xorg

probably
https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/tree/master/srcpkgs/xorg-video-drivers
no results for i915

void seems to have horrible description package so here is the video driver from different distro
https://www.hyperbola.info/packages/extra/x86_64/xenocara-video-intel/

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Now let’s see if it will catch fire

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>>102317728
Recently purchased a refurbished T480. Mostly happy with the purchase. It's in excellent cosmetic condition, came with a new SSD and I assume newer battery, lasted seven hours on a full charge.

I'm disappointed how hot it runs for a machine that's clean and dust free and that has alot of clearance at the back for airflow because its elevated a bit. Idles around 50 to 55C which to me is quite high, I am used to idle temps 10C less than that. Would they have replaced the thermal paste on a referb? This is my first time buying such a machine so I don't know what is all part of the referb process. Speccy also likes to jump 10C into the 60s for a second and come back down, so I question if that program is monitoring the temp correctly.
It only comes with 2 USB ports, would have preferred three.

Unrelated to the hardware, Windows 10...it's quite fat is it not? The OS is about 37GB in size. I went ahead and disabled a few things. On a fresh boot it's already using about 3.5 gigs of memory which feels insane to me. And well over 100 processes - with Windows 7 I had no where near that many on start up, unless Windows 10 is counting processes differently.
Don't tell me to get rid of Win10, this laptop is for someone else who only knows Windows.

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>>102337999
>Mostly happy with the purchase.
I spoke too soon, no idea why this is happening now...

>>102338217
Now it's back to showing the battery properly charged at 100%...

>>102338217
>>102337999
>using windows.
I use opensuse. My fan never turns on when my PC is unplugged and I undervolt the CPU. I bought mine without batteries and bought some new ones on ebay for cheap. I also set the batteries to only charge to 75% so they can last longer.

Is i5-8th gen enough for web+office? (Windows) in 2024?

>>102317728
I loved my MacBook Air M1. I'd keep buying these stupid things if they weren't so expensive and impossible to repair. Also windows piracy is a must. What's the thinkpad under $500 that's most like this? Small fast and with loads of battery.

>>102339267
yes just get ssd and atleast 8 gigs of ram

>>102338723
pisscord...

>>102339428
t430 and pay like 70 for it

>>102317969
>no trackpoint
I really want to like it, but that is just a dealbreaker.

>>102339586
yep, basically
into the trash it goes

they also still havent figured out coreboot lol lmao jeet ceo

anons whats the best bang for your buck I can get for $200 or less? I'm currently debating between the T480 and T490 16gb, any other models I should consider?

Trying to find a decent Lenovo at a good price here.
A T490s with these specs:
Intel Core i5-8265U (Quad-Core): 1.6 - 3.9 GHz
- RAM: 16 GB (DDR4)
- 256 GB (PCIe NVMe SSD)

Is this a good price? Apparently the battery is 100%. It's a bit of a struggle to find one here in the Netherlands compared to the USA. Any tips on finding one around here?

>>102340386
Forgot to mention that the price is €290

>>102340386
look up kingsener on aliexpress for new thinkpad batteries, the deal is overpriced btw

>>102340515
I'm not looking for batteries, I'm looking for the whole laptop

>>102340556
i assumed the last sentence was about finding a battery

where are you looking for the thinkpad?
look up flea market websites in kanker land

>>102339601
Get system76. All with disabled Intel ME
always mention it because FW shilling against it here.

>>102340568
I'm looking in Marktplaats in the Netherlands

>>102340571
i use x230 with heads firmware, i dont need new computer
i was acutally considering system76 before i found out about x230 with heads master race

>>102340585
here is your new computer
https://www.marktplaats.nl/v/computers-en-software/vintage-computers/m2152666417-ibm-thinkpad-370c-met-lader-dock

joking aside there seem to be alot of t430
what u need laptop for?

>>102340664
General usage, light web development and some basic games like OpenTTD. I want 16GB RAM or at least upgradable

>>102340688
t430 will work for that and is almost one third of the t490s price, t430 has socketed everything

https://medium.com/@n4ru/the-definitive-t430-modding-guide-3dff3f6a8e2e
trash guide but some info there is useful

>>102340743
Thanks, just slightly concerned about the old CPU, since it will not support Windows 11, I wish I could just install Linux, but my wife will also use the laptop.

How about this one? https://www.remarkt.nl/lenovo-thinkpad-t480-i3-8g-14-touch-16max-zs?utm_source=GoogleShopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Laptops%2FRefurbished%20Windows%2011%20laptops&utm_content=Lenovo

>>102340796
the cpu isnt bad and since its socketed you can upgrade it to quad core in future
ivy bridge lives on

i wouldnt pay more than 150 for a computer but any of the listing you posted will suffice for your use case

windows 11 iot should have tpm and other requirements dropped
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot/iot-enterprise/Hardware/System_Requirements?tabs=Windows11LTSC

>>102340835
Thanks for the advice, I will definitely consider the t430, I'm reading the article and it does seem very interesting

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why does nobody talk about this? is it that bad? I'm a big fan of products like the surface pro and minisforum v3, so a thinkpad version seems like the perfect device. reviews say the keyboard feels just like a thinkpad keyboard. what are your thoughts anons?

is Thinkpad X230 worth it for 90e it has:
>ips screen
>8gb ram
>i5-3360m
>256gb msata ssd

>>102340097
X280 with 16 gb.

oled screen has more battery life due to turning the pixel off than ips? if so then how much more battery life

>>102341320
About three fifty. Maybe two handfuls.

>>102341320
Usually OLED equals lower battery life.

>>102340406
for 290eur you should be able to get a t14.
With those specs, t490s or not, I would not pay more than 170eur. You can get a L14 g2 for 290eur (Denmark). Check dba.dk

>>102341736
why is that?

>>102317728
How do I upgrade my X220 to be as modern and powerful as it can?

>>102341008
>why does nobody talk about this? is it that bad?
It's good quality. But, It's the extreme anti-thesis of what /tpg/ want
>"lol, get a real PC! not this small, weak powered, unoriginal e-waste"
>All soldered. /tpg/ mostly talks on parts, mods, customization
>Tablet = touchscreen = Linux nightmare. look at which OS is the majority of this general. Tablets are pretty much Windows, might as well get LTSC one.

This detachable is actually perfect for normie college use
>more than enough for doing assignments: essays, presentations, spreadsheets.
>note taking: bonus for drawing/sketching
>small, easy to carry & store, compact for bit of watching videos on the move
Besides, those looking for detachable tablets already own primary PC (desktops/workstations); detachables for on the go.

>>102336864
I've figured it out, I just had to disable GPU virtualization and now it works like a charm! I will look into building some different drivers tho, maybe it'll make it run even better.

just got an E16... is it over for me bros?

P52 vs P53 vs P15 Gen1
Which one has the best durability and repairability?

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>>102341268
What's your use case for dual channel RAM?

>>102341919
Dunno, just sucks more power. I'd not choose an OLED Thinkpad if I valued battery life over all. It looks amazing however, and is hard to go back to IPS. Just waiting on 120hz 4K OLED panels in a Thinkpad, then I'll be set.

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Got a 6th gen X1 Carbon for my girl, for college. She really wanted something light and I really liked the specs/aethetics of this Thinkpad. Paid $230. Did I do gud?

>>102344196
what's this from?

>>102344329
Instagram

>>102344031
Sounds like a good fit, you did alright.

>>102344633
What username?

>>102342273
Throw it in the trash where it belongs and buy a modern computer

>>102345265
je_suis_manon2

Hello anons I'm looking for a thinkpad mostly for programming and browsing I found these :
T14 Intel i5-10310U 256 SSD 16 GB 300 euro
T490 14" i5-8365U 16GB/512GB 250 euro
T490s Intel i7-8665U 256 SSD 8GB 300 euro
T490 Intel i5-8365U 128GB 16GB 210 euro
T480 8 ram 256 ssd 250 euro
X1 Carbon 7th Gen i5 , 8 ram 256 ssd 250 euro
which one should I buy ? they are all refurbished some are in good conditions some are excellent I don't think this matters as It's just based if the laptop has scratches and whatnot

>bought a new t480 for 250 bucks
im surprised there are still new ones around

>>102345585
>what screen tho?
Carbon is most likely to have one that doesn't make you want to claw your eyes out.

>>102345997
they all are 1080 except for the t480 and the x1

>>102346029
1080 doesn't mean a lot by itself. TN panels are awful and some of the IPS panels are better than others.

>>102337999
So does anyone think I should be concerned with the idle temp?
>On a fresh boot it's already using about 3.5 gigs of memory which feels insane to me.
It's actually closer to 2.5 to 3 gigs on startup.
Despite disabling Edge on start up via about:config, it keeps undoing itself and keeps running in the background on start up (several processes). Never had a problem like that before, usually once stuff is shut off from starting on start up it stays that way.

>>102338217
>>102338310
Had the laptop on my lap for most of the day today and also on a carpet surface, unplugged on battery and it keep detecting and undetecting the battery, and the screen kept shutting off and on when I moved. At one point when I lifted the laptop slightly when it was on carpet, the battery would connect, and when lowed back down it would say no battery present...but still stay running. I am wondering if the battery wasn't fully clicked and locked into place and slight movements were causing it to disconnect but not enough for it to fully shut down.

The Thinkpad logo on the letter i on the lid is lit when the running and flashes when sleeping. However the same thing on the palm rest does not. Is something broken, or is this not a thing that lights up on this laptop?

>>102338710
As I said the laptop is for someone else, I am just setting it up for them.

>>102346335
>So does anyone think I should be concerned with the idle temp?
Probably not. I'd be more concerned with you not doing s fresh OS install yourself and trusting what you were given. Go visit >>>/g/fwt.

>Is something broken, or is this not a thing that lights up on this laptop?
No, this is normal.

>Battery connecting/disconnecting with slight movement
Send it back.

>>102346380
>I'd be more concerned with you not doing s fresh OS install yourself and trusting what you were given.
How many times do I need to state its not for me? The laptop is for someone else, who only knows Windows. Windows 10 Pro was installed fresh on August 29th. It was sold and came to me yesterday. It's a load of work off of me that its ready to go.

>Send it back.
As stated I don't think the battery was properly locked into place, could have become slightly disturbed while shipping. I pushed both locking tabs into place and they clicked. I'll monitor it and hope its okay.

>>102346228
>>102345585
I don't think they mention what if It's TN or IPS maybe you could help me look ?
https://www.ebay.de/itm/166820771227

thoughts about the HP EliteBook 745 G6?
I like ThinkPads but the black color is so ugly and easily gets fingerprints

>>102317728
Best modern Lenovo under 700 USD?

ok but where do I put the nail polish
on the whole motherboard? Or are the chasis screws enough? Do I take the photos with a digital camera?

>>102321349
I use external keyboards for most of my machines. That's what among other things docks are for.

>>102347430
chasis screws, you can use any camera but digital are best because no post processing cancer

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/how-tamper-protect-laptop-nail-polish

dont do the sticker thing, just put nail polish directly on screws

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>>102347188
Well, in the ad we get stock photos so that isn't helpful but that isn't always helpful anyway. And no serial number because this is a refurbisher and they have a lot of them so we can't look it up on Lenovo's site. We know it's 1080p and not a touchscreen or it would probably be advertised as such. What we can do is look up the psref and see what the options were to narrow things down. In doing so we know it's not a TN panel because those only came in 768p for this model. It's not advertised as the touchscreen model so it's not that one. This means it's a tossup between the IPS FHD panels with varying brightness and sRGB accuracy. The lesser one is 250 nits and 45% sRGB which is pretty bad.

In conclusion, IPS but it's a gamble if it's the good one or the shitty one and odds are it ain't the good one.

>>102349196
Practically, only singular item listings have SN listed (mostly these listings tend to be on high-end devices), never on bulks.
Haven't checked on Lenovo yet. But in my case for Dell, you can know exactly the detailed technical specification of sold products by knowing it's serial number/service tag. As detailed as seeing someone naked inside
>the original factory configuration (original RAM, SSD, Battery size). You can compare whether the seller swapped the size.
>know niche features that rarely/never advertised by sellers like WWAN configuration: whether it's WWAN modem pre-installed, WWAN ready (no modem but comes with antenna cable & SIM tray), or WWAN not possible at all (no antenna, no SIM tray).
>detailed information on each components, invisible to outer appearance like Display (screen type, resolution, brightness, color range), original battery (even the manufacturer), WLAN card
>even lists non-purpose components (screen lid, bottom cover, main chassis, fans, SSD heat spreaders, wiring)
>Other non-physical config: Original OS, preinstalled software, warranty choices, even information like "Intel ME disabled")

As for your case, Lenovo screen is just bad, abysmal brightness. Take it for granted. Sellers will tell you whether the screen is good, and will sell it at premium price.

I'm starting university so I've been thinking it's finally time to get a laptop, I know thinkpads have a good reputation for being cheap and reliable, but which one should I get? Or which ones should I avoid?
I heard T480s are good, is that true? I just need it to do schoolwork and maybe the occasional Plants vs. Zombies tier gaming, maybe Dwarf Fortress or Factorio if I'm lucky.
Thanks!

>>102349576
>Sellers will tell you whether the screen is good, and will sell it at premium price.
I figured as much, they always look for a reason to increase the price
but putting aside the type of display which one would you pick ?

Should I rather buy a T430 with 8GB of RAM, a 120GB SSD and a HD+ display, or a T420 with an I5, 4GB of RAM and what I'm guessing is the stock display? The 430 is like 95 bucks, while the 420 is 130

How hard is it to change keys on the keyboard? Like to convert from AZERTY to QWERTY?

Also, where is the best place to find a good thinkpad in EU?

>>102351819
>Also, where is the best place to find a good thinkpad in EU?
if you're from the netherlands, try marktplaats

>>102351819
>Also, where is the best place to find a good thinkpad in EU?
Just check your local version of eBay or wherever else you'd buy used goods. Also could be worthwile to check any tech refurbishers.

These threads are so dead these days. It's like the last hangers on are here, as people try and hold on the Thinkpads even though they morphed into a boring laptop that looks just like everything else these days.

I miss my thick bento box, I gladly would have taken a thicker laptop if that meant a full screen, more USB ports, a real non-checklet keyboard. I hate this race to be thin. It results in a massive palm rest and alot of wasted space under the screen, so much bezel plastic.

>>102352436
I just came here because I'm in the market for a school laptop and I know Thinkpads are very cheap and popular, kinda sucks that it's dead in here but maybe it's just EU hours

>>102351802
T430

>>102352436
we make it to bump limit and people still post their thinkpad pics, keep coping shill

>alot of wasted space under the screen, so much bezel plastic.
you have never seen x230 with 2k screen on

>>102342273
>/tpg/
>throw X220 in the trash
Are you sure you belong here?

>>102352574
>keep coping shill
Don't know where that came from, but alright.

>you have never seen x230 with 2k screen on
Give me a link or post pic.

>>102342273
Max out the ram and get the most or second most powerful CPU for it.

>>102352841
https://www.xyte.ch/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/File_005-1024x768.jpeg

>Don't know where that came from, but alright.
still alive and you cant kill it

>>102352563
I thought so, now I'm just wondering if it's not too bulky and heavy to be practical to carry every day, there's also a Dell Latitude E7240 for the same price and similar specs too...

>>102342693
>meds
>all modern thinkpads have soldered ram
>don't care about using a glorified web browser memeOS
>if I want to gaym I'm turning on my PS5. just werx

I replace the battery in my E14 Gen 3 with a larger one, 45wh to 57wh. While it works, it doesn't report the correct design capacity at all. Could the battery controller being the old one cause any more meaningful problems than that?

>>102352436
I really think we should make a laptop general. Thinkpad discussion could obviously live on in there (or as its own thread still), but whenever laptop threads pop up, they're super fast and have way more discussion of business laptops than this general has.

>>102352875
It's funny to me how you wanted to boast about a laptop with a 2k screen, but couldn't even be bothered to trim the URL to make sure the larger picture was shown.

https://www.xyte.ch/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/File_005.jpeg

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i love my E14 gen 6

Does GNU/Linux actually improve battery life over Win10?

>>102353872
this is a laptop general, only retards keep making separate threads

>>102353943
not related to original discussion at all
cope that you are wrong about thick bezels
ERMM I NEED LATEST SHITBOOK NO BEZEL EDITION

you are faggot with no CNC

>>102354812
battery life will be related to cpu scheduler of choice, you can use powersave governor on both

question
ive got the tp mini dock series 3 type 4337 dockingstation is it compatible with a x220 "tablet" computer?

ive got a chance to get one really cheap in good conditon. from the looks of all is the same like on my x230 except for the touch screen and battery. cant get a clear answer on it.

thanks in advance

>>102356873
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_Mini-Dock_Series_3

>>102356922
why doesnt this site show up when i googled for half an hour

thank you its compatible

>>102356873

damn turned up just too late for the thread, I've literally got this setup right now - was just scrolling through ebay for something to slap in the ultrabay slot

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Is there a way to find out the display model without disassembling the whole laptop? I wanna get a new display for my T400 and I wonder if there's some software that could show me the the model I need to get.

>>102356997
>googled
It's been trash for years, I use Perplexity.AI now.

>>102357320
just look up "lenovo thinkpad t400 screen" in a search engine of your choice

>>102333290
>100% no problem
>100% totalmente testad
>G00d
nigga that shit contains mustard gas

anyway, x220t user here who hasn't been to the general in many years - what's the deal with coreboot? is it something I need to get sorted for my pad?

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Your thoughts on this:
>Dell Inspiron 14
>i5-1334U (2c/4t performance, 8c/8t efficiency)
>16 GB RAM
>512 GB NVMe SSD
£450 GBP / $590 USD / €535 EUR

For web dev and other programming which won't involve compiling massive projects

>>102357839
Why are you asking this in a ThinkPad thread?

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I just bought X13 gen 1 with AyyMD 4650U and 16GB of RAM. ISO layout is retarded but for 200€ I can deal with that.

>>102357926
>Other business laptops are welcome
You can say that Inspirons aren't the business range, for sure, but ThinkPads are irrelevant when the OP says that other brands are welcome.

>>102357926
newfag maximum

>>102357839
overkill, find cheaper one or settle on this one if you dont care about cash money

>>102358206
>overkill, find cheaper one or settle on this one if you dont care about cash money
Maybe I can find that same model second hand on eBay. I don't think it's overkill. 16 gigs of RAM is a minimum I think. Running Docker and stuff like that, I want at least 16 gigs of RAM.

>>102358300
you can install 16 gigs of ram into decade old dell

i was saying overkill to other stuff

>>102358316
I also want a CPU that can boot quickly and compile simple web site back ends quickly. I don't want to be waiting all day for a Core 2 Duo to complete these tasks. If anything I was wondering whether I should spend more on a machine.

>>102357391
It gives you a bunch of aliexpress search results, and the aliexpress results are not very informative, since they tell your which display models they're compatible with, not which laptops they can be used in

updating mint on my t60 rn
what are yall niggas up to

>>102353872
It won't work. If you really want to make this inclusive of other brands, make a xref list of Dell, HP, etc models that are rough Thinkpad equivalents for a particular size/form factor and processor generation if not at a certain price point.

>>102358461
>that can boot quickly
boot times are not related to the cpu
if you have coreboot you can flash linux kernel directly to rom and it will boot basically instantly

>compile simple web site back ends quickly
the fuck is about accept() and listen() taking so long to compile on core 2 duo
i build million line code projects with all optimizations on my decade old shitter

>If anything I was wondering whether I should spend more on a machine.
https://www.tastyfish.cz/lrs/baseddev.html

>>102358734
fuck forgot about the keyword replacement, you know how to fix the url

>>102358633
>mint
bloatware with occasional malware, switch to debian

>>102358900
so just because the laptop is a dinosaur I gotta use ancient packages too?

>>102358910
are you retarded? mint and debian both follow two year release cycles

What's the point of this roll cage, if this magnesium plate is only on one side and is in a plastic case? Like, if there’s high pressure on the case, the plastic will still just crack and this plate will still crush the motherboard like in any similar laptop without this thing, just not by the plate itself, if there were two connected on both sides, then maybe there would be a point in all of this, but in its current form it just looks silly

>>102353872
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook
do you by any chance play Yu-Gi-Oh? because you sure don't know how to read text that's right in front of you

>>102352436
these threads reach the bump limit all the time. stay mad

>>102358900
>>102358910
>not using windows 11 IoT LTSC 2024
>ngmi
>verification not required

>>102357794
anyone?

>>102358038
Then why even call it ThinkPad General?

sell x230?

>>102357839
kind of expensive.

>>102359556
what's wrong with the stock bios? I don't see the appeal of coreboot/libreboot. you are going to risk bricking your device for what exactly?

>>102359990
to be a tinkertroon
for the false sense of security

>>102359903
I've thought about it myself but I'd have to list it as "for parts" even though it works because otherwise there's a 99% chance some faggot redditor will buy it and complain about some cosmetic imperfection that is clearly shown in 8K Ultra HD video and eGoy will still side with them.

>>102359556
If you're not an active political dissident, it's a waste of your time. If you love jews, troons, niggers, and furry scat porn, nobody cares.

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>>102360115
i shitpost on /pol/ 24/7
am i a political dissident

>>102360094
mine is in good condition, minus the keyboard

>>102358900
>debian
>safe
https://www.cvedetails.com/top-50-products.php
first place, the fact many servers rely upon it is what makes it a prime target

do i need a laptop for uni
i study math

>>102317728
I got a ThinkPad T15 Gen 1 i5 10th Gen 16GB 256GB NVME No OS/Battery for $160 shipped. I love it minus the shitty keyboard.

which battery do I buy for it? what's a decent dock (lol no real dock) for it.

>>102360495
Not in a way that matters. /pol/ isn't IRL and has no influence on affairs of the world. In all likelihood it's allowed to exist as a training ground for Mossad recruits to test narrative control and fracture consensus among WNs and other antisemites. And I'm assuming you're not a retard that fedposts from your house, 7 proxies or no.

$36 Thinkpad X220
- Intel core i5-2520M
- Intel HD Graphics 3000
-DisplayResolution1366 x 768
-Windows10Pro64-bit
-Ram 8 GB
-HDD 320 GB
Battery drop
- HDD Health 67%
- Functioning normally
- Scratched body, scratches, corrosion, peeling paint
- Rusty port, USB off (right side)
- Missing trackpad, some keyboards off
- Disturbing speaker, Whitespot screen
- Touchpad off
How to fix it or ewaste

>>102362969
depends on what you want to use it for getting new screen + speaker + keyboard etc is gonna cost you at least 100-150 bucks depending on where you buy it

if its that messed up you might just consider getting a dockingstation for it and use it as a shitposting station

just dont ewaste if anything sell it as it is for parts you will easily get 50-100 bucks for it on ebay

>>102359903
>sell x230?

thats like asking should i sell my old timer car the answer is no

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Have this issue with L380, when I connect charger multiplier gets stuck at x4.
It always takes like 20 sec for multiplier to get unlocked but sometimes it'll just remain locked at x4.
I've seen lots of posts online with that issue for various thinkpads but no solution. Any ideas, almost feels like hardware issue?
Have latest bios and all that.

What are some new laptops with vents on the sides? Everything I've seen so far (ThinkPad T/E, Dell XPS) have vents on the bottom which make them unsuitable for lap use IMO.

It's insane. Even the bulky gaming laptops have vents on the bottom blowing 20W of heat (at best) straight to your balls.

>>102364525
Precision 7540

>>102364580
Bottom vents are almost always intake.

>>102362969
pay 20

>>102359903
keep forever

this general just full of techlets
>>102358275

AUGHH I NEED NEW COMPOOTER TO RUN notepad.exe

if you ever make a fucking mistake like me and get any isopropyl on the soft touch rubber coating... wipe it softly with water, let it dry...

....then lightly sorbolene it. It just fucking werks.

I give up, I'm buying an Elitebook 845. I'm tired of Thinkpad's garbage speakers, screens and those shitty new keyboards they produce.

>>102365803
Huh? I just tried 95% isopropyl and nothing happened, I even tried to scratch it.

whenever I boot my x220 I get the "intel me in recovery state" error
Could this somehow render corebooting impossible?

>>102366930
it accelerates rubber breakdown. it will make it tacky.

>>102357955
>X13 gen 1
can you put the M.2 SATA SSD in the WWAN slot on this laptop?

>>102366954
coreboot+me_cleaner

>>102367760
No idea, manual doesn't say shit.
But why would you want to use one anyway when you can just install 2nd NVME m.2

>>102369076
>you can just install 2nd NVME m.2
X13 only has one SSD slot

>>102357955
How's the battery life?

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>>102369359
Mine has two m.2 2280 + 2242, plus removable Wi-Fi card.

>>102369657
I didn't test it, but it only has 230 charge cycles and over 92% health so it's in good shape.
It should last around 5 hours of light workload with 50% screen brightness.

Finalizing my T430 setup.
I bought the B140HAN01.1 without realizing its a different connector, does anyone know what's the best solution to LVDS to EDP?
Also are the ~50$ 9 cell batteries on ebay the best option?

>>102365883
Are they even decent

>>102364627
Yeah but if you block them the laptop temperature increases so it's still bad.

>>102370093
lvds to edp adapter for t430
kingsener 9 cell battery from aliexpress

>>102370353
Sure it sucks but those little blower fans can't work in other configuration.

>>102369700
imagine the potentional if the battery was external...

I just bought my first laptop and it's a T430 with the SSD, 8GB of ram and the 900p display for about 90 bucks
Pretty excited, hopefully I won't just get a package full of rocks

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>>102371007
Those extended batteries which also served as handle were great.

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Got myself the better thinkpad.

>>102371092
NGHHH i have one on my desk but HNGGG
i also have x230 dock battery two infact, they are very rare now

Can you upgrade the soldered RAM on x1c g6? I've seen it being done on macs.

>>102371092
X230 was the peak sex

>>102370226
HP probooks and elitebooks are amazing. the best HP laptops you can buy imo but normies always fall for the pavilion/envy/spectre meme

>T420
>+ i5-2540
>+ has bluetooth, wwan
>+ 1600x900
>+ 120G SSD, good state
>+ 8G RAM
>+ 90% stock bat, holds ~5h with tweaked tlp conf
>+ red dome kb
>+++ ~$50 in local currency
>- surface scratches on lid, glossy worn out kb caps
WIN.

>>102359446
And that's working so well to bring people in, right? The clearly designated laptop threads being 10x faster than the general for a specific type with a footnote mentioning others are welcome must mean nothing.

>>102373249
>>102358275
lol at 50 replies. 10x faster amiright? thinkpad threads consistently reach bump limit and this thread will too.

>>102371092
That bottom battery existed on the X61? wtf? what's the FRU

>>102371092
Now that's 20lbs of pussy and ass.

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>>102371440

why does my 2020 thinkpad running Arch disconnect from wifi for 3 minutes every 3 minutes?
this happens when I'm plugged in so I don't think it's a BIOS power saving feature, what do I need to fix in Arch?

>>102360796
>which battery do I buy for it?
It's a recent model, buy the OEM battery.

>>102317728
>T14g1
I can only find intel models on eBay at a reasonable price. Is the AMD variant so much better to warrant a x3 price increase?

>>102380698
AyyMD version is less common.
Not worth 3 times the price for sure, but Ryzen comes with much faster iGPU and overall more cores 6c/12t is the minimum.

>>102375992
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Batteries
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/X60_Series_Extended_Life_Battery

>>102365602
And... it died... kek.

>>102369700
>2242
that for the WWAN card. for older ThinkPad, that slot can be used for SSD

>>102381818
unfortunate fate

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DO I even need the x230 gigabit ethernet blob? Why doesn't coreboot wiki list it?
https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/x230
Will the ethernet work without the blob? Also if it does need it, can I just skip it anyway if I plan to just use wireless?

>>102382543
i dont see why it wouldnt boot without it

>>102381838
Sadly you are correct I can't find anyone who got 2nd NVMe working. And I don't want to remove my GPU just to test that.

>>102372028
you'll have to know how to de-solder and solder it yourself. or take it to someone who knows but it'll cost you

>>102372028
you will destroy the motherboard trying to hot air the ram away

Well /g/entlemen, i require assistance, i noticed that i have a stripped m.2 screw inside my P53, what sorta screw removal kit/ whatever the fuck should i use? I just got m.2 and this shit happens, just my luck.

>>102385557
>type stripped screw removal into jewtube
>watch videos
>???
>profit

>>102385765
Yeah, but like, one for m.2 mounting screws, i'd rather not end up fucking it up

>>102385557
if you have bit kit try one that looks like it could fit
werked for me

>>102386103
nigger all screws are exactly the same

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>>102386163
Would something like pic rel work? Or would it just fuck up the screw even more?

>>102379420
Try using a non-meme operating system with actual drivers

Note for anyone interested in the newer ThinkPads, T480 and above.
USB ports are awful, they are looser than your mum's vagina. And since charging is done by USB-C you can expect you will need to replace the port sooner rather than later.

thinkbump

>>102386503
this. why do troonix users choose to purposely complicate their life

just installed win10 iot LTSC, do i need to install Lenovo Service Bridge to make sure my drivers are good or did windows install good enough drivers?

Going to get a P-series model around $300 for programming, Blender, Unity/Godot, and maybe some games. Any reason not to?

>>102390777
idk, do all of your Fn buttons work and do you have any Unknowns in Device Manager? If you have discrete graphics I'd consider loading those drivers direct from the manufacturer, but otherwise if there are no unknowns I'd leave it alone.

>>102379420
it's the NSA backdoor toying with you

>>102389750
go suck corporate cock, you fucking cuckold

I can't believe there are people on /g/ that prefer convenience over privacy

>>102393210
so true sister!

>>102393386
that's "xister" for you, chud

>>102393210
>go suck corporate cock, you fucking cuckold
>I can't believe there are people on /g/ that prefer convenience over privacy

I use linux, yeah, but only because I am cheap and I want less bloat. Privacy is a retarded rationale; if you want privacy get off the internet.

>>102393437
>if you want privacy get off the internet
that's not enough

there is no privacy in 2024 unless you live in a 3rd world shithole or are willing to live in some remote forest with no electricity

dead general

test
i hate cloudflare

How would you choose between these:
>Dell laptop
>Relatively price competitive
Or:
>Framework laptop
>A little more expensive initially
>But should be more upgradable and repairable in the long run (you can drop in a better CPU/motherboard for instance)

>>102396424
old dell

>>102396972
Well I don't really want something old because it will be slow, both of those options I mentioned are new laptops. I will be compiling stuff on this machine (not massive stuff though) so I don't want something too slow.

>>102396986
yeah just get the framework and see if it lasts for you. If their batteries are interchangeable and shit, it might end up being worth it. I don't know how much they cost

What's the first thing you should do when you get a new laptop? Besides thoroughly disinfecting it, of course

>>102317728
dell latitude >>

>>102396986
i compile massive stuff on thinkpad x230

Looking to upgrade t430, how bad are the t14 gen 2s?

>>102396424
dell every day

I don't see the upgradability to be of any importance to me
It's 2024. Hardware is barely getting any better. I use a 13 year old laptop and it works perfectly fine for what I use it for. If I bought a laptop today I would expect at least 20 years of relevance. Of course there is no way that a laptop made in the age of shittification would last that long and I guess that framework's "repairability" gimmick is here to rescue but I'd rather not lock myself into their ecosystem.

This shit's ass. Laptops suck nowadays.

>>102396424
Not Framework.

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overkill upgrade ngl

>>102317728
Hi frens, I need to find the right model for my boomer brother who is extremely fixated on the laptop having to be 17 inches because he thinks that that'll make the resolution better. He doesn't have the mental capacity to understand that his current shitty win7 laptop has like sub 720p resolution and that is the reason things look shitty.
So yeah I need to buy a used Thinkpad for him and install linux but it has to be at least full hd and at least 15", preferably 16".
All other specs are irrelevant, he just needs an SSD.

>>102401309
forgot to ask if the T590 i7-8665U 16GB for 280 Eurobucks is a good deal

The fan of my T14s G1 AMD died (machine gives a "fan error" message on startup, but I can skip it for now by pressing esc). This started after I updated the bios of the machine. Is it possible (or recommended) to downgrade the bios? Should I just get a new fan?

Realistically how much more battery life can I expect to get by installing something like mint on a 2012 T430 with about 3h of battery on Win10?

about to buy my first thinkpad
t520 i5-2520 8gb
what linux distro is the best for configuring/compatibility? im mainly thinking about stuff in repos so probably arch? or is the software easily available on other distros too?

>>102400280
nice. i plan to do the same with my x270.

>>102403374
battery life depends on power draw, pci usb cpu screen draw the most power
you can reduce power draw by using powersave cpu governor for example
os plays little to no role

>>102395628
less dead than the laptop general

new bread >>102404994

>>102404896
too soon

>>102403398
Arch or Debian

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>>102393210
just don't be a pedophile you retard.

>>102403374
Not much if any at all, assuming your W10 install is optimized already.