>>102409272
why is this a general just build a pc or not

My PC fails to boot sometimes and if it does boot, it loses signal to the monitor when I start doing more intense work (anything more intense than idling)

What’s the cause of this? PSU or GPU or something else? I’m hoping it can’t be the motherboard.

3700X
Secondhand 4070S
SF750 psu

>>102409356
>My PC fails to boot sometimes
Normal AMD feature.

>>102409356
clean the gpu/cpu fan, maybe its overheating from all the dust.
replug the cables so they're properly inserted?

>>102409282
it's shill ground zero, basically a containment thread

What's the best GPU at around 100W? Would a severly power limited 4060 be significantly better than a 4050?

>>102409356
its the motherboard

>>102409433
what if you bought a decent psu And a decent gpu

>>102409445
Not gonna happen, the issue is available power, not money (I live completely off grid). No, I don't want a laptop.

>>102409449
a steam deck uses 15w

>>102409433
the 4060 has a TBP of 115W, you could undervolt it if you really care about 15W

>>102409461
Does it offer better performance than a 150W desktop and can it function as one? I don't think so.
>>102409472
Oh, I'm a retard and was looking at the 160W of the 4060 Ti.

>>102409482
if its that critical you can wait for 5060
it'll be made on a smaller node so more power efficient and it has like 10% of the cores of 5090 enabled so it prob eats like 60w

>>102409482
>>102409493
low profile 5060 when

>>102409493
Sounds great, is it confirmed or just a rumor, though?

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>>102409272
>1080p: RTX 4070 Super
Chat, laugh at this nigger. Kindly fuck off to reddit

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>>102409527
>1080p@500Hz
>4070 Super
>mfw

>>102409514
literally just pulling it out of his ass

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>>102409272
Is the i3-12100f and Arc 750 a good combo for a budget build?

>>102409633
The i3 COULD be if the price was right, but an Arc GPU even for nearly free still isn't advisable on account of flakey driver and game support. It's still a tinkerer's GPU.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2865-intel-arc-gpu-experience/

>>102409356
Could be something else entirely. What about your boot drive? Your SSD or HDD?
>it loses signal to the monitor when I start doing more intense work
Data transfer is all on memory drives and cables.

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I can't decide on monitors. I am afraid to make a mistake. What happens if I get a screen I later regret? I want to get a 32" inch non-curved 4k OLED, but only a 27 and Wide Curved OLED is available in stock.

>>102409795
> I want to get a 32" inch non-curved 4k OLED, but only a 27 and Wide Curved OLED is available in stock.
Wait for the 32" 4K models to be in stock. The larger size/resolution and sharpness from the better PPI is worth it. What country are you in?

>>102409795
theres like 2 panels being released annually from 2 different manufacturers, LG and samsung, and they perform similarly between all different brands

whats difficult about it?

>>102409795
>wide curved
Countless others have fallen for this meme, but some lessons can only be learned through personal experience.

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>>102409812
A country whose mere mention will fill with you disgust. However this is a neutral country in most cases, so the imports/exports should be less taxed and tariffed.

>>102409815
I am pining for the Dell Alienware ones. Seems trustable. OLEDs are expensive, buying them from a third-party would be foolish.

>>102409858
At the end of the day, everything feels like a scam.
>muh 360hz REFRESH RATES
>muh more pixels
>muh better color density and darks
I can't even spot the difference on my 20 year old Samsung SyncMaster 2253BW 22-inch LCD.

>>102409679
>The i3 COULD be if the price was right
It's about 80 euros on my local amazon.
So the Arc is not mature yet? I've seen many videos of people saying that the new drivers are great and vastly improve performance and support for old games.
Should I get a 6600 instead?

>>102409282
What do u mean

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>>102409272
>GPU
>1080p: RTX 4070 Super
huh

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You will have 12GB VRAM and you will be happy

>>102410139
>512bit
[x] doubt

Is the 3080ti still a good card?

>>102410241
its okay, just some titles like aw2 may struggle with ray tracing at 1440p so if thats what you want out of it you might want to look at 5080

building a pc while living somewhere remote is purgatory, i swear

>>102410139
5090 32gb
5080 16gb
5070 12gb
5060 8gb
5050 8gb

>>102410251
Aw2?

I'm looking for a new 4k monitor for games. Why don't they make a 4k 240hz ips monitor or an oled that's not 32 inch? I'm looking for a 27-28inch monitor.

I realise no computer can put out 240 fps at 4k but with such a monitor you can lower the resolution depending on the game to achieve higher fps.

>>102410139
I will have 28 because I’m buying a 5090

>>102410316
How about you so sniffing your own farts and just settle on 144hz

>>102409898
Let me guess, India?

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How do cooling loops avoid feeding hot water from the gpu into the cpu and vice versa?

>>102410359
The hottest the water will ever get in a loop is 50C at at most
For most custom loops this is more like 40c.
This is still cool enough to facilitate heat transfer and generally the system reaches an equilibrium where it doesn't quite matter what order everything is in.

>>102410325
didn't ask for your opinion on refresh rates.

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>192 bit bus in 2025

>>102410435
And I don't care at all if you never get a monitor

>>102410466
I already won, you won't find a monitor that you want

Normie friend told me he wanted to get a pc with a 7900x3d and a 7900 xt as gpu
Total is around 1800€ lol
Performance wise is this correct?

>>102410526
why would a """normie""" ask for amd gpu

>12gb RX8600 for $199, 6700XT tier
>12gb RX8700 for $299, 6800/7700XT tier
>16gb RX8800 for $399, 6900XT/7800XT tier
>16gb RX8800XT for $499, 7900XT tier

>>102410526
your friend is retarded for getting a dual ccx cpu

>>102410534
Cheaper than Nvidia
7900 xt is like 500€
Told him about shitty drivers but doesn't really wants to know

>>102410582
the drivers aren't shitty, you're perpetuating a myth

>>102410582
where the hell they're getting 7900xt for 500 euros its like 600+ euros.

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>>102410139
I might get a 5080 or 5090. Just wanna max Fortnite and that's it. Tired of sitting on my gtx 1080

>>102410587
:)
>>102410598
Ah my bad just checked and it's a 7900 gre for 599

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>>102409272
just got my mobo already got ram my cpu comes in a couple days cant get psu or case until the end of the month tho ;-;

>>102410587
when people say drivers are shitty they actually mean "windows wddm" is shitty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model
your driver can be 1000% solid but if wddm fails then everything goes down including your driver.

linux has no such thing as wddm btw so all of amd issues suddenly go away because its not amd issues its windows issues.

>>102410629
>gre
Okay that makes sense.
Still I wouldn't get a dual ccx cpu due to the OS bullshit. Just get a 7800X3D. If buddy was into actual production stuff then he should be aiming for Nvidia/Bigger cores but since I assume they're gaming then they want latency more than anything.

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Haven't even been on the PC or VR for a week but have eyestrain and weird rashes in my scalp ears and beard
What's some technology to fix this? Also boobs!

>>102410085
gtx 1070 can do 1080p/60, 1080p/240 is the standard now, and soon it will be 1080p/360

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Thrid attempt taking apart my GPU, stripped to hell bracket screw, decided to give up until it starts overheating, will drill the bastard out or solder another screw on top if I must.

>>102410731
take a shower and shave the beard.

>>102410731
eyedrops,less blue light exposure,adjust indoor lighting to be more neutral,literally go outside and develop your eyes.

Does anybody know a case that can take one 360mm rad vertically and also fit a a second thicc boi 360x60 mm rad?

>>102410793
stop wasting money on water.

>>102410805
>no fun allowed

>>102410805
well it's for someone else who wants water cooling so it's not my choice and even if it was, I'd choose water.
I've got 2 identical gpus, one air, one water. The water one is much quieter and cooler. fuck air cooling.

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>>102410788
>>102410771
Been shit weather going outside tomorrow back on nofap haven't had a gf in over a year

Also range banned off v kek how do I get around that on starlink? Not paying for a pass and express vpns already globanned

So I bought a 4070 super, but my CPU it's a Ryzen 5600x. How much bottleneck would I have with this CPU?

>>102410793
O11D XL (and variants)? Fitment might demand that the second rad is on the bottom so not suitable for AIOs but a custom loop would work fine.

>>102410911
why don't you turn the computer on and see for yourself

>>102410911
you would get some fps in some games at 1440p using 9800x3d and 32gb ddr5 ram

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>>102410805
>Don't waste money on water
>give it to an AIB instead

>>102410968
someones been watching bringussy

>>102410911
I wonder how retarded people like this pass algerba.

About to put my foot down and upgrade to a RX 6800 and R5 5600X. Only have a 1080p monitor atm. Any recommendations, or am I good?

>>102411054
try to up the budget and get 5700x3d

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Which old second hand monitor 1080p with at least 144hz and good BFI I could buy in order to peel its matte coating without feeling bad ?

>>102411078
Will do. BTW the GPU is XFX Speedster RX 6800? Is it any good, or should I find it under another brand?

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So if Nvidia finalizes their RTX 50 series GPU designs this month, then when can we realistically expect 50 series GPUs to be released? Looking at getting a 5080.

>>102411162
next year and it costs $2000

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>>102411126
the issues with brand differences used to be that vram can be poorly cooled, which usually isnt a problem anymore
then if theres 1 blower fan which is worse than 3 fan solutions
and finally if theres not enough ports that you need, like if that one has 1 hdmi, but you planned to use it for 2 things that use hdmi it might be a reason to look at something else
externally theres different support from different companies

>>102411170
Only $2000? Cant wait!!

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>>102409272
I want to get 8x4gb of ddr3 ram, what's the best thing i should get? Should i instead go for 64? It kinda sounds overkill to me...

>>102410805
The human body is 80% water by weight anon

>>102411212
Any CPU that can actually drive 8 sticks is probably capped at 1333 so get that. I think CL9 was the standard for PC3-10600 but at this point you're buying whatever comes up on Ebay.

>>102411162
CES 2025 at best, March at worst. 5070s and down June/September at best.
I'm praying to AMD idols right now so 8800XT is faster than 7900XTX.

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>>102411248
>The human body is 80% water by weight anon
Reminder: It's nearly October

>>102411288
Fuck, sorry, i meant 4x8gb, i need sleep

>>102411211
before tax, before shipping, before tipping the delivery guy

>>102411327
better than the 3090s hoarded by cryptominers and then sold for 2k€ after a thorough powerwash after dedicated crypto mining cards were released

>>102411212
Unless you're talking about the actual memory config, more dimms equal more work, and usually higher clocks. If at all possible, just get 2 x 16GB and save the fucking money.

>>102410968
hello jon

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Day 529 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102411326
>>102411440
You're still better off getting less dimms, and to that extent, I think they had 2 x 16GB back then, but if you don't care about speed and it ends up being cheaper, then more power to you.

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>>102410139
It was funny funny in the first 2 gens of xx70s with mediocre VRAM, but now it’s just sad

>>102411291
>8800XT is faster than 7900XTX.
8800 XT confirmed to only have 16 GB vram.

>>102411529
delete this right now
you do not need more than 8gb of VRAM

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>>102411470
>>102411440

Alright i'll get 2x16gb if i can find it, thanks guys!

>>102411326
Okay. Again frankly 1333-9-9-9 is probably your best bet for stability with 4 sticks. Conceivably you could go up to 1600 or even 2133 if your board+CPU are late DDR3 but the performance benefits are slight.
On the whole your question is a bit nonsensical because there's no reason to minmax a DDR3 system in 2024. If it's a HTPC/NAS/Plex/etc. then just price-shop for basic sticks. Whereas if you're building a retro rig for shits and giggles then you ought to have an idea of what you're doing before you get into minutiae.

i think i screwed up getting the 7940HS 512GB instead of 7840HS 1TB for the same price... is the difference between the two not that significant? i know they use the same igpu

>>102411529
>slideshow jeetslop that looks worse than games released 10 years ago is an argument for needing more RAM
kill yourself consumer whore

>>102411440
>getting the 7940HS 512GB instead of 7840HS 1TB for the same price

God, I hate AMD's new mobile naming scheme. I would still get the better processor, even if it's worth the time and money. It really depends on how much getting the better processor is worth to you.

>>102411440
Meant lower clocks

>>102411626
The CPUs look nearly identical. Just a small difference in stock frequency range. The storage should be easy enough to upgrade assuming it's not some thin&light monstrosity so don't sweat it. In any case, most of the performance differences between laptops comes down to cooling design and power limitations. Doubly so when comparing two CPUs of the same generation and core count.

>>102411555
that's enough for two-three years, 12 would be tough
I wonder if they are going GDDR7 or not.

>>102410139
Isnt' it weird they are going full retard with 5090? It's going to cost $3k and aimed at AI at home nerds.

>>102411729
you have no other choice
5080 is going to look like a chump deal against it
5070 and 5060 are going to be dogshit
everyone MUST upgrade eventually
AMD already quit the game before the cards are even out
Nvidia cannot be stopped

>>102411771
>AMD already quit the game before the cards are even out
they quit x900xt line, not the actually useful cards like x800xt or x700xt

>>102411789
yeah and Nvidia selling one 5090 outpaces 8700 by how much?

>>102411707
no fucking way it will be gddr7

>>102411666
Yeah thanks. I heard that the performance between the two is almost non noticeable and that the 7940 was unstable compared to the 7840 so i got scared

>>102411828
$2k or $3k?

>>102411828
and who is going to buy 5070 if it's slower and more expensive? I expect it to be same price again in reality, but we will see, AMD initiative now first time in 10 years.

>arrow lake has zero single core uplift
barrow lake
what a horrid year

>>102411866
5070 is not going to be slower and nvidia can price it competitively if they want to
it is, however, going to come months after AMD releases their cards, for all that's worth

>this time AMD will
cmon guys
cmon
how many paper launches do we need to suffer until the copium runs out?
4000 series was the worst fucking series nvidia has done since FERMI and what did AMD do? what did AMD really do?

>>102411918
put their cards in a wrong price bracket.
>5070 is not going to be slower
I mean, 4070 is a shit card even now and they have no time for Super line, unless they are willing to pass the opportunity to milk the market twice with Supers.

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>>102411613
No, this is just for upgrading my 8yo vidya pc, they're both on picrel, the one i'm using right now is the upper one

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any news on battlemage?

>>102411918
>4000 series was the worst fucking series nvidia has done since FERMI
It was better than the last two series though? Especially Turing, which was catastrophic

>>102411957
>Win10 IoT LTSC
How is it? Been wanting to switch because I fucking HATE all the bloat on Win10.

>>102411964
Turing was not catasprophic

Guys, if I go AM4, I save lots of monies, I ddr4 ecc ram costs the same as normal RAM so I can have ECC for real.

AM4: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4JgCfy
AM5: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TVyYMV

>>102412008
Best that windows has to offer right now. Isn't there a script to turn win10 to turn off all the gay and retarded stuff?

>>102412008
IoT is broken use normal ltsc

>>102412008
I'm having no problems and it's nice having no candy crush ads and no cortana on your start menu.
But it's still windows, this version is just making me stay for longer, i'll switch to linux eventually...
Good normie OS though

>>102410661
Chonk ass mobo, what are you using it for? If you say gaymen, you will be cursed by cursed thumbs (TM).

I have a Samsung 980 Pro SSD, 2TB. I want to do a fresh install of my OS.
Is it weird to use a slower drive for my OS, like the SN770?
The SN850X or even the Samsung ones don't have 500GB drives and only 1TB+ ones. I just need to install the OS and some programs, I don't need 1TB.

>>102412067
w11 has no ads, except office in accounts menu

>>102412018
Nvidia sold twice as many pascal cards as turing cards, it was the lowest generational improvement in a long time, and it come in with outrageous prices that were scalped even higher. It was catastrophic and easily nvidia's worst generation since Fermi.

>>102412024
isn't that cpu kinda overkill?
5700x3d would be better for goyming

with am5 you could later just swap CPU

>>102410755
>1080p/240 is the standard now,
lol

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>>102411957
Why are you not moving the good stuff on the lower one? It's i7, it's better

>>102412128
Kek, sure
I bet the moon's made out of cheese too

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What do they mean too late? The RX 580 is still the #1 AMD card on steam

>>102412051
>IoT is broken use normal ltsc
How is IoT broken?

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inteW > LMD

>>102412187
What is the point?
Is this some kind of brownoid special?

>>102412222
FUCKING HELL AM5 RYZEN 9 GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS BY A FUCKING CORE 7 IT'S FUCKING OVER FOR AMD

>>102412139
I don't do gaymen. Also, I only use loonix. That's why I was thinking if 7900GRE is over kill and maybe I should just get a intel a380, but IDK what the most power efficient GPU on loonix is. I was thinking about getting an optiplex and chucking a gpu in it, but IDK if it can support it with stock PSU.

>>102411666
>>102411849
Any storage recommendations? I want at least 1 tb

>>102412134
Pascal sold so well that it cannibalized Turing
Nvidia learned the lesson from this: there is no prize for outplaying yourself, it just hampers your future gains
if you give the people 2x gains, they will always come to expect 2x gains
so might as well put a proper price tag on those 2x gains if you can still serve them

>>102412245
>>I don't do gaymen. Also, I only use loonix.
Then you only need cpu graphics just by a 7600X and be done with it

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>mfw All these fucking thermal interface brands
FOR FUCKS SAKE WHICH ONE IS NOT SHIT
At this point i'd rather just fucking pick KPT8 and rest well knowing i bought shit rather than buy "possible" shit

>>102412250
Barracuda for hdd, kingston for ssd

SUPER cards are a sign of failure
20 series failed
40 series failed
50 series should be great but NVIDIA can longer be trusted

>>102412222
>e-cores
No thanks, I'm white.

>>102412277
2 garbage brands

>>102412275
There's no such thing as shit thermal paste.
You the same nigger a couple days ago asking about MX-4 and shit?
Just go to amazon, type in thermal paste, look at something cheap, buy it.
It's literally that easy.
Not to mention that 99% of CPU coolers come with generic thermal paste already with works the same as all of them.

>>102412279
see >>102410139, they either increased per core performance to insane levels, or they are going full monopoly and, for real this time, going to sell 4060 for the 4070ti price.

>>102412289
I mean it works for me, you give two names then

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>>102412294
>There's no such thing as shit thermal paste.
incorrect

>>102412279
>failure
double dip has never been a failure

>>102412294
there is some 3.5wkm paste, you shouldn't get that.

>>102412275
PTM7950, $8

>>102412261
Anon, but I have two monitors, 4k and 1080p and I've been thinking about upgrading and getting a third monitor as well. I'm doubtful about igpu being able to handle it. My stinkpad handles it but only barely. It commits seppuku so often that's why I'm thinking about getting new hardware and forgetting about this crap.

>>102412361
Are you still living in 2010? iGPUs have come a long way. If it's true that you don't play games you can easily do 3 monitor setups.
Hell, my iGPU in my mini PC can do 2 4K 60FPS (TV) and 1440p 120FPS (monitor).

>>102412311
>PTM7950, $8
Genuine PTM7950 is not $8. There are fake ones on Amazon, AliExpress or whatever. Real ones costs like, $25. And you get like, 2 applications? These thermal pads are a meme.

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>get some new parts after many years
>have to change the motherboard
>remember back in the day it used to be a task
>look at what I have to do
>feels deceptively easy
>like it might take less than an hour
Have I learned more about tech or has tech become retard-proof?

>>102412453
Building a computer has never been difficult. Some freaks get some sort of ego because they can plug in cables, literal Legos that anyone can build watching a 5 minute Youtube Guide.

>>102412453
Maybe a little of column A and a little of column B.

>>102412394
I have X1 Carbon (6th Gen) so 2018. I'm pretty sure 8 gigs of ram is the bottleneck, I can't do anything about the soldered ram though.

>>102409356
Try a different cable
Could be wonky signal handling if the current cable is low quality and only supported older DP or HDMI specs

>>102412486
Yeah, I can't be bothered to check what CPU you have.
My N100 CPU works fine with 3 monitors. Even the spec sheet shows it supports 3 monitors.

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>>102412419
it is real, bulk roll doesn't cost a lot and then they cut it to a smaller size
it's expensive only in NA.
I put it on my 7700x, works great.

>>102412250
You'll need to find out what sort of drive it takes and whether it's accessible first. It's almost certainly some flavour of M.2 NVMe but it could be 2230 or 2242 instead of the regular 2280.

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>>102412085
yeah although i dont game much so shitposting i just really wanted a setup with an engineering sample xeon its 56 for for like 300 dollars managed to grab the mobo at like 1/3 price on an auction too ram was also cheap because its untested was like 1/4 price kek cpu + mobo + 128gb ram for sub 1k
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134899171071

>>102412311
>PTM7950
Damn, is this real?
How many low hanging fruit are there still out there after more than two decades of people chasing performance?

>>102412868
Damn, I want a setup like yours.

>>102412894
Yeah it is but the main benefit is long-term reliability not the raw performance (not that it's lacking there). I would absolutely recommend it for direct-die applications but at $20 per sheet you'd be better off putting that money into the CPU cooler itself. These days that's the difference between a basic cooler and a dual tower model.

>>102412304
>double dip
nobody bought a 4070 then a 4070 super dumbass

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>>102413051
no, but the double dip is this
first wave of mooks buy the horrible deal (4070)
time passes
then the second wave of smug people who think they are so smart for waiting for a mid deal (4070 SUPER) buy it for the same price

>>102412905
get one

>>102413079
Hwinfo64 duh.

opinions on kingston RAM?

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>>102413106
It's good. It shows all kinds of info. Thanx.

>>102413151
They buy the same ICs as everybody else and package them according to the standards laid out by JEDEC. It's generally fine to price-shop RAM if you don't need some particular feature (low profile, RGB, OC).

my new pc is not making me happy

>>102413251
you did not spend enough money on it

>>102413099
I've been eyeing a T430 Server with Xeon v4? All good, but its 750 bux. Apparently that's too much for a machine like that.

>>102413251
because hardware doesn't make you happy, software does.

>>102410316
27" is too small for 4k, get a 1440p display and you won't see a difference.

>>102413251
try avoid masturbating for 3 days, exercise a lot outdoors, do something away from the pc for most of your free time and then come back to the pc and see if theres more opportunities presenting themselves

>>102410139
>>102410318
I will have 32 because I'm waitfagging with my 4090 for the 6090.

>>102412302
> By (((Aaron Klotz)))

>>102413251
spend more money on it

>>102413345
27" is perfect size for 4K
Get glasses if you cannot see the difference in pixel density

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In the unfortunate case in which the store I have chosen is unable to obtain me an X570 Taichi Razer Edition (Or a Taichi in general), what is an equal ATX equivalent to look after?
Norwegian market, but at this point I'm willing to look outside my country and import a good x570 mobo to pair with my 5800X3D. No amazon thoughever, I've never used it and I don't want to. Ebay might be fine, but first I want to look at actual stores in Norway and around.
Also planning to be super evil and add an extra forehead to my F.D. Define R4 case so look forward for pics of that when I do eventually get the mobo and extra parts

Are NVIDIA GRIDs any useful? I noticed a store is selling refurbished GRID K1s (16 GB GDDR3) at only 60 euros each. Would something like this be suitable for local AI image generation and stuff like that?

>>102412453
wurst part is putting and screwing on the cpu heatsink. everything else is simple breeze

>>102413310
yeah way too much dude you can get kits with those old x99 xeons with ram and mono on AliExpress for like £100 maybe under. they're cool but worse than low end ryzen

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AMD throws in the towel again even harder handhelds the only focus

FSR 1.0 2021 Spatial Upscaling
FSR 2.0 2022 Temporal Upscaling
FSR 3.0 2024 Temporal Upscaling and optional Frame Generation
FSR 4.0 202x AI-based Upscaling and AI-based and Frame Generation

. When discussing next-gen upscaling, the AMD Vice President specifically highlighted that FSR 4 would focus on improving battery life and enabling gamers to lock framerates to 30 or 35 FPS on gaming handhelds.

What type of monitor do I need that is easiest on the eyes? I have been dealing with eye strain lately and I believe it is due to my monitor, which I think is an led monitor.

I'm think I at least need something that is "flicker free" with a high refresh rate. Anything else I should be considering?

What's a really thick 120/140mm fan?

>>102413251
post-buy clarity, many such cases

>>102414019
FHP141

>>102413990
Low blue light mode is something monitors tend to offer
Beyond that you want a high hz monitor, theres 480hz oleds now, where the motion clarity makes it easier on the eyes.
Then you might want to add a bias light behind the monitor to reduce pupil dilation.

>>102413937
>>102413917
Linda useless stuff for PC but ok, whatever

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I'm upgrading my SSD and looking for a 2TB m.2 NVMe (boot drive as well as storage). I was thinking about getting a WD Black SN770 for £100 on Amazon but it doesn't have DRAM and my motherboard only supports PCIe 3.0 (but PCIe 3.0 doesn't seem much cheaper than PCIe 4.0). Other PCIe 3.0 drives seem to get way less than the 4GB/s that caps this gen but the SN770 can surpass that.
Does drive speed actually matter for NVMe?
Does DRAM actually matter?

im gonna be honest, i havbe not paid any attention to the market in the last few years but i want to upgrade my pc.
does it make sense to wait for the 5000-series or should i just go with a 4000-card for now?

RX 6650XT or Intel Arc A750?

>>102414289
obviously buying a new gpu months before next gen is a bit goofy idea

>>102414277
DRAM stopped mattering for NVME years ago
controller is much more important

How awkward is it to put a x1 card into a x16 slot?

>>102414277
PCIe speed matters, but your PCIe Gen4 NVMe is compatible with previous generations, you just won't get Gen4 speeds. You can just buy the SN770 and upgrade the motherboard once you want to.
DRAM also matters, but not by much.

>>102414333
Not awkward at all.
It's when you do something stupid like trying to add a x16 card to a x1, or even x4 slot.

>>102414301
obviously, i just remember asking a simmilar question at the beginning of the year where i pretty much recieved the same answer assuring me the next gen would be out by now

PCIE 4.0 GPU in PCIE 2.0 slot how big would the bottleneck be

>>102414352
its been estimated 50xx come out early 2025 pretty long time ago just by looking at how the advanced tsmc nodes are available

>>102414376
well thank guess ill just wait a bit a longer and go for a new monitor first or something like that

>>102413917
>>102413937
All the money and man hours AMD & Nvidia have wasted on faking framerates and faking resolution because they can't be bothered at improving genuine performance anymore. Why did we even bother going beyond the Cell processor on the PS3 if this was future of gaming.

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>>102414371
I'm assuming Gen4 and Gen2 in a x16 electrical slot?
Pretty huge.
Gen4 x16 = 31.5GB/s
Gen2 x16 = 8GB/s

>>102410085
counter strike doesn't count

>>102414350
Nah, I'm just shopping for an AM5 board where I can trow in my sound card, and potentially a 10GbE NIC (which means either 4.0 x1, or 3.0 x4 slot) down the line, which is surprisingly difficult given the zoomerized sensibilities of modern boards and M.2 slots occupying a shitton of real estate. Half the boards out there are useless due to one of the slots being occluded by a 3-slot GPU, and B650 seems lane-starved in general.

>>102414482
>sound card
no one uses those anymore, grandpa
get an external dac that connects with USB-C or better yet optical.
10GbE NIC is a meme unless you actually need those speeds. Most ISPs only provide 1Gb/s anyways.

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>>102409378
Correct

>>102409633
Honestly I'm not sure the A750 is cheap enough. Costs as much as an RX 6600. Probably the only reason to buy the A750 is XeSS, but that's still hit or miss in terms of implementation and wide support.

>>102409795
There are lots of 4K 240 Hz models available at this point; if they're not in stock in your region now, they likely will be soon

>>102410139
GB205 confirmed for ((((decent)))) 1080p
Radeon has no chance unless FSR4 is actually good and it prices its cards at a steep discount

>>102413990
just get eye drops. but the one which moisturize rather than constrict blood vessels.

>>102414525
>10GbE
>ISPs
For NAS speeds obviously.
Also you can pry my niche schizo cm8888 soundcard from my cold dead hands, there is not a single DAC out there that can replace everything it does.

>>102413917
are you this retarded or just baiting?

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>>102410241
If you already own it, it's fine
Probably wouldn't buy one at this point, unless you got a really good deal and you're expecting to undervolt

>>102410263
AD105 isn't going to be the 5070, retard.

>>102410587
Yes they are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfI9rmTnxe8&t=331s
As are Radeon's features like FSR

>>102410911
Most of the time, it won't. Run hardware monitoring like the Geforce Overlay or Afterburner + RTSS and check GPU utilization. If the GPU is fully utilized, there's no bottleneck, and if it's not, the bottleneck is elsewhere (could be CPU, could be monitor, etc)

>>102411054
>Any recommendations
Don't be a retard

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>>102411162
5090 and 5080 are expected in January
Probably a normal launch cadence after that

>>102411291
>5070s and down June/September at best
Not going to be that late.
Nvidia's not going to leave the midrange market to Intel and AMD

>>102414371
Huge in some cases, like if the PCIe 4.0 GPU is only x8 lane

>>102414728
>For NAS speeds obviously.
So are you building a NAS machine or what? Because unless you're using fast SSDs in your NAS the best you're going to get out of spinning rust is around 550MB/s or 5GbE.
Well, good luck I guess. I'm fine with my 2.5GbE connection to my NAS.

>>102412275
Gelid GC extreme
Prolimatech PK3

>>102414841
I got 1 gigabytes a sec out of my old NAS with 8x 3TB HDDs in a RAIDz1
Combine it with a pretty fat SSD cache and you could run games off the shit

My next NAS is gonna have 44 drives, will have 40Gb as thise cards are so dirt cheap.

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>just installed the parts
>half old parts half new
>checked the cabling
>front panel, CPU power, GPU power, sata
>about to power it on
I am hesitating frens.

My HDD has been a lot noisier than before these past few days. Should I invest in a new HDD before it's too late ? I'm not buying a SSD to replace it, it's a 4TB drive which I only use for storage, not applications.

>>102415183
as long as you used the power cables that came with the PSU you're using you should be fine anon.

I hate catposters I HATE CATPOSTERS

>>102415196
HDDs are cheap. Buy another 4TB drive and run it with your old one in RAID using Windows Storage Spaces. You won't have to worry about losing your data to single drive failure

>>102415227
I will give it a go soon. The only mild scare I got was feeling how tight the fan was clenching the CPU underneath.

>>102415261
have you watched a few videos about building to see if you didn't forget something?

>>102415296
Yes. It's good. I will try it in 5 mins.
But the printed manuals are pathetic. I had to look at the detailed proper manual online.

I have an i9-9900k. It does everything I want except for one game, World of Warcraft. I get major slow downs in congested 30 man raids even at lowest possible in game settings. I know it's not a graphical thing because I have an RTX 3080 and I watch my CPU pin to 100% usage while my GPU barely breaks 50%.

Would I be suited by one of AMD's offerings, specifically their 3D versions?

>>102415416
7800X3D is right there in the OP

>>102415416
buy 9800x3d when it comes out

any of you 3090 niggers undervolt your shit? How well does it work? What kind of wattage drops are we looking at?
>also feasibility of stacking 2 of these big mommas in one system?

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>>102415447

Any motherboard out there with a chipset that runs open source software? I'm so tired of these shitty manufacturer softwares, anons. It's not even that they're proprietary, it's that they are total complete and utter garbage.

I'm looking into single board computers to see if I can find a simple motherboard + intel n100 chip thing for light software development. You guys ever look into those?

>system keeps restarting
>fan keeps restarting
>can get into bios
>can't boot from C:
Rip.
I will do some research. Or remove all unnecessary parts and start barebones.
I am suspecting that it might doesn't like the 2 previous RAM sticks. I will think about it.
>>102415183

>>102415447
I fucked around with undervolting my 3080 and got similar results to >>102415462
I only did mine lower power to make it quieter via running cooler. Don't really care about power usage.
>feasibility of stacking 2
Don't both. Nvidia SLI/NVLink is dead for everything except showcase games that are heavily sponsored by Nvidia and non gaming software. Multi-GPU solutions are long since dead
>t. guy who used to run 4x 3GB GTX 580s in SLI
even back then in their "prime" games rarely took proper advantage of multi-GPU

>>102415483
push or reseat the ram sticks
when i was assembling my last pc the problem was literally not seating the sticks enough with the same shit, so maybe it's that.

>did a boot override
>gave only option to look at C:
>it's doing something
>it says devices are being prepared
>>102415483
>>102415523
Yes. In the BIOS I see them too.
>32GB

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RTX 50XX announcement and release WHEN?

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Wtf. It just started. Like nobody would suspect a thing.
I love Win10 so much. All this massive "surgery" and just started where I left off when I shut it down.
>>102415553

>>102415476
If you mean the BIOS then no, not really. There is open-source firmware out there, eg. Libreboot, but not for current gen systems.
On the other hand, if you mean more the manufacturer "control" software (Armory Crate, Dragon Centre, etc.) I'd say to just not use it. You can set fan curves in the BIOS and there's OSS alternatives for stuff like RGB and drive management.

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>buy 2nd monitor
>surely im more productive now
>ended up only playing porn on loops all day

>>102415521
mine is mostly a mixture of lowering the peak temps when doing AI shit, part power usage.
couldn't care if dual gpus arent taken advantage of in games, not like games are optimized well anyway, but im pretty sure A.I apps handle them fine so im curious if people lurking this general have any experience they can share.

>>102414709
>Honestly I'm not sure the A750 is cheap enough
On my local Amazon the Asrock version is 220 euros, while 6650XT is 20 euros more. Which one should I go with?

>>102415603
productivity cannot be solved by adding monitors.I have been on 1 monitor most of my life and still got/get shit done. I make extensive use of alt+tabbing to other programs and/or using the windows multiple desktop utility to separate work and play. Only recently have I considered a second monitor that I would have in portrait mode so I can have discord open to see who joined my chat channel.

>>102415604
AI programs and what not are the except to the rule when it comes to how much GPUs are used when there's more than 1 GPU. They just scan the system, see there's 2 GPU's with X amount of RAM, and loads up the program, simple as. Only issue you'd face would be heat and power usage. You have to make sure your power supply is not only a high enough wattage, but high enough quality to maintain that level of output over extended periods of time because 2x RTX 3090's even undervolted, are still going to be sucking down some serious power when at full tilt. Then of course heat of the 3090's. Gotta have major proper air flow or they will throttle. If they're liquid cooled via custom loop or AiO modifying kits, the heat problem goes away, just power remains.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/fChGWt

budget is loose (<3k) and canadian. i have no need to upgrade from 2600+1070 other than i love computers and want to upgrade my server (4690k+1050ti).

mainly for gaming and VMs

im thinking of waiting on rtx 5k series before buying.

its basically all shit from OP but im wondering if someone has a similar MOBO that has 4 DIMMs

will be on 2x1440p 144hz monitors

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>>102415591
Fun.

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>>102409272
>42" 720p 60fps plasma
What GPU is good enough for any game at maximum settings for the next 8+ years?

From someone who has a server based on the same family as your server, what exactly are you trying to do with the server? how many VM's? I ask because you could get a Xeon e3-1231v3 for your existing motherboard which is just an i7-4770 with no iGPU, and has ECC memory support. Costs like $20 cana-bucks on Ebay. You could take it a step further and get a proer Supermicro server motherboard with the LGA 1150 socket and ECC memory support for another $50-$70. From personal experience,if you have the money, it's always best to separate a server/VM machine from a gaming machine.

My server is a
>Xeon e3-1231v3
>Supermicro server borad
>4x4GB DDR3-1600MHz ECC unreg DIMMs
>60TB of HDD space
>Passively cooled, single slot, MSI GT710 GPU.

>>102414302
>>102414335
Thanks anons

>>102415860
this was for you >>102415699
Side note, VMs have a tendency to add a bunch of virtual LAN adapters based on which VM software suite you're using. This can cause a plethora of problems with the host OS and before you know it, you're troubleshooting why your game won't connect to game servers.

>>102415827
>plasma
that latency is measured in what, business days?

>>102415699
Looks good. Safe and standard. Could maybe shave a hundred bucks off if you wanted to but you're already well under budget so it's nbd.

>>102415699
ASROCK pro rs board
Get the nvme without heatsink

>>102415866
nta just adding some clarification. DRAM still matters but the NVMe standard has a feature called HMB which uses your system RAM for FTL caching. It's "free" to implement so there's very few truly DRAMless NVMe drives about these days. Having a physical RAM chip on the drive is still faster but not in a way that's noticeable in casual/consumer use.

>>102415860
server is mostly jellyfin and nas with everything in dockers atm.
VMs are on my main PC and i rarely run more than 2 at a time ngl
main area thats lacking is transcode speed but even that is negligible as i typically have <4 users at the same time. only issues arise when a large scan is happening and locks up the shell/fronts
really im upgrading my pc to make it the server to make the server into a family pc. so buying server hardware isnt optimal (as i want shiny new gaming pc yumyum)

once i have room im def going to buy a server rack and get real HW but no room rn

>>102415958
kk ill check those out
why no heatsink?

>>102416047
>why no heatsink?
The board comes with one

>>102409272
I have this pre built I buy power from five years ago that I finally replaced the CPU water cooler with an air cooler from noctua. It was honestly easier than I thought and I'm wondering what else I could do. I already have a bigger SSD in it and 32 gigs of ram. I'm wondering if I should update my 2070 super or just stick with what I got.

>>102416107
why did you change the watercooler to an air cooler?
upgrading ram seems pretty redundant, if you go am5 you'd then have to buy ddr5 ram on top

How much better is a 4060 8GB compared to a 3060 12GB? I'd rather pick the 12GB if the difference isn't that meaningful in RT/overall framerate.

>>102416132
I changed to air cooling because it seemed cheaper to me and my water cooler died because iBuyPower parts are terrible and always die.

Putting together a 1440p anti-RGB/anti-temper glass full tower build with optical drives, does this look correct?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/R7TQpB
I am saving roughly 1800$ USD and building around using this particular case because nothing else is currently being made like this. I also make way more at this job than I thought I would so I want to have a larger budget than I originally intended. Any improvements to the concept of this build here other than a different cooler is appreciated. I originally asked some discords about it and instead of anything constructive I got reddit tier whining about "how could I not like glass or lighting". I mostly do heavy CAD stuff for uni and I don't play very many demanding video games outside of like Counter Strike 2 and in that I want to have good performance for 1440p with high refresh rates.

>>102415483
Isn't that just memory training leave it for 10 minutes

>>102416146
I kinda wonder if the amd upscaling/frame gen are good enough to buy over low end nvidia stuff.

Like, buy a 3080 or 4070 super instead and they actually game on 1440p as devs intend.

>>102416146
I'm pretty sure you can get a 6950xt for same price as 4060 and it'll be way better

>>102416178
It got trained.
Now it doesn't recognise the Steam M.2 disk (5th SSD).
I think the Bios update I am doing now will solve this.

>>102410680
>useless card on useless system
ebin

>>102411212
>I want to get 8x4gb of ddr3 ram,
Why not dump the money into a ddr4/5 system instead

I need a new laptop bros

https://www.asus.com/laptops/for-gaming/tuf-gaming/asus-tuf-gaming-a16-2024-fa608/
OR
https://www.asus.com/laptops/for-home/zenbook/asus-zenbook-s-16-um5606/

>>102416284
Just buy a thinkpad p52
Ai is a fucking meme

>>102416284
>asus
lmao

Actually it's the M.2_1 on the board.
>>102416242

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Actually the PCIe3 doesn't work. Because all the others are full.
I need to get a SATA case to put one of the mve SSDs in order to use all the 3 MVE drives I have.
Thanx MSI.

>>102416670
cucksumer chipset
should've gotten a X670E

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>>102416146
>How much better is a 4060 8GB compared to a 3060 12GB?
Not really that much better based on averages that include last gen games, but it seems that the 4060 is pulling ahead substantially in newer titles. In Wukong the difference is about 25%. As noted, of course you'll have to contend with the 8 GB VRAM in some games, which means optimizing settings, and of course if you want to use DLSS Frame Gen, you'll have to optimize further, as it requires extra VRAM. The 3060 of course doesn't get DLSS Frame Gen, but it can use FSR Frame Gen in supported titles, which while not as good as DLSS Frame Gen as widely supported, is usable when implemented well. Hard choice, I'd probably punt with the 4060 if you're aware that you'll need to optimize for the VRAM sometimes and not some retard who sets everything to max and then wonders what's wrong. (Not that you'll be setting any recent games to max anyway.)

>>102416170
>heavy CAD stuff
>radeon

>>102416690
or X570, w/e

>VRMs overbuilt to the point of being able to carry 500W (and that's the cheap ones) when the biggest chip pulls like 150W
>lane starved to the point where anything but the most basic bitch storage config will run out of PCIe
Why are AMD boards like this?

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>>102416196
>I kinda wonder if the amd upscaling/frame gen are good enough to buy over low end nvidia stuff.
The answer is no. As input resolution goes lower, FSR gets worse

>>102416670
Maybe you can get a PCIe expansion card for NVMe SSDs. They're cheap

>>102416146
ridiculous they are even comparable. The 60 class is traditionally meant to be on par with the previous gen's 70 class but the 4060 gets fucking destroyed by the 3070. It's a travesty that they got away with this at all.

>>102416690
I'll be more careful next time.

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>>102416670
>msi gaming series graphics card bolster

lol

>>102416742
Yes, the PCIe expansion SSD card doesn't work.
Because my mobo is a consoomer card that doesn't work if you use all the slots like it shows
>>102416670

>>102416775
That's a funny meme. I am paying in incontinence by poorfagging this.

>>102416736
because consoomers only care about the gpu slot and have no idea what any of these other lanes are even for

I bought a 14900kf before the problems were publically known and it crashes all the time. I kind of no longer have my previous system so now I'm trying to harrass intel support until they send me a replacement without me sending them my CPU back, cause I need a working PC for work and I don't have any other PC besides this one currently so I just cannot send it back to them. After a couple of days back and forth the support person said they understand my situation and will "look into what can be done", wish me luck guys.

>>102416894
Drop the multiplier.

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Last try before I go to bed.
>removed m2_1
>removed Steam PCIe_3 SSD card
>put Steam MVE on m2_1
I want to at least load No Man's Sky with 32GB and 12 threads to see if I will feel a difference..

>>102416901
I did and it worked for a while, until it didn't. I suppose I could keep dropping and dropping it but harrassing the support wagie seems like a better solution long time and also more fun. A sample that works with the whole multiplier must exist somewhere out there, so I want it.

>>102416699
I fucking loathe using NVidia's software though from experience with my 2060. Solidworks recommends Radeon or Quadro cards

>>102416935
if they did they were already destroyed in 2022 in OC competitions

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>>102416927
Fuck me, this is good.

>>102416982
Well they better come up with one last one then cause I will stop at nothing up to and including driving down to Intel HQ personally until they replace my CPU with a fully working one at no cost. I guess the support people will just have to get used talking to me everyday.

>>102416927
>>102417019
loading should be same for games since you're bottlenecked by random read not sequential read.

Out of the myriad sub $20 Thermalright single tower coolers (or other brands) which one is the best? I'll be pairing it to a 5600 I got on Aliexpress. I guess more heat pipes = better? There are ones with 4, others with 5.

>>102417076
No man's sky loaded 2x faster. And the gameplay is smooth. Like a different game compared to my old potato.

>>102417146
My nigga it's a 65W cpu. You could do it with the stock AMD cooler.

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>>102416751
>The 60 class is traditionally meant to be on par with the previous gen's 70 class
It's kind of all over the place, but the GTX 1060 6 GB was near the GTX 980, the GTX 1660 Ti & Super were near the 1070, and the RTX 2060 was near the 1080 (and actually the 2060 turned out much better than the 1080 because of DLSS2+). The pricing of the RTX 2060 however was on par with the 1070, so pricing was also creeping up at the time. The 4060 returned to pre-covid pre-crypto pricing (when accounting for inflation), but it's more like a 4050 Ti in performance and die size.

TL;DR: To get an accurate understanding of the cards, you can't just rely on the branding

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I will also try Kassandra's game and will go to bed. Lol, Ubisoft.
>>102417019

>>102417175
I'd rather not. It sucks compared to those. But they all look the same

>>102417146
The AMD cooler looks more than capable. I just used it with my 5600.

News today:
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/zen-5-speculation-epyc-turin-and-strix-point-granite-ridge-ryzen-9000.2607350/page-814#post-41300040

CCD latency for Zen5 chips reduced from 180ns to 75ns with one AGESA update. People on Overclock.net retesting tons of benches, finding most everything improves.

>>102417196
>But they all look the same
They basically are. Just pick one you like the look of that has at least 120mm fan (90mm fans suck in general).

>>102417196
look at the height of the coolers.
I like 120mm fan 4 pipe single tower coolers

>>102417196
I have an Arctic 7 with two pipes. You legit don't need more becasue the cpu literally cannot produce enough heat.

>>102417215
>CCD latency for Zen5 chips reduced from 180ns to 75ns with one AGESA update. People on Overclock.net retesting tons of benches, finding most everything improves.
Of course it does, latency is the most important metric for performance. Let's hope they can get the FCLK up to 2400 like they promised too.

>>102417148
Because the stuff is already cached?

>>102417215
but AMDjeets told me core latency did not matter on /g/ a few weeks ago

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Even the Ubishits play good now. With volumetric clouds and everything.
I love PC tech so much.
>>102417194

>>102417215
The fuck is wrong with AMD. Why would you ship firmware so undercooked that you can patch it to halve the intercore latency in a month.

>>102417244
Where is it cached?

>>102417329
Lisa had to personally check every detail with her very narrow eyes

>>102417337
Rumor has it she squinted

Are the 90 degree 12vhpwr cables cool now? I just ordered one from cablemod and realized it was one.

>>102417334
Like shader cache and etc.

>>102416751
The 4060 is a pretty substantial upgrade over the 3060; it's closer to a 3060 Ti. Remember that the 3060 was the same speed as the 2060 while the 3060 Ti was the same speed as the 2080 Ti. Nvidia's product stack has been fucked for years, you can't compare between generations without actually looking at benchmarks.

Sorry for the delayed reply, my PC broke yesterday (and that's why I'm looking for a new GPU) and I'm not really feeling like setting up 4chanx in this old laptop I'm using.
Also, here's the full spec list I'm planning to get, it's more just so you guys can check for any egregious mistakes, since the pricing here is way too different :
Ryzen 7 5700X3D
MSI B450M Pro-VDH Max
Kingston Fury Beast 2x8GB 3200MHZ DDR4 CL16
Thermalright Assassin X 120 R SE
Not really sure on the PSU for now, I haven't put this build on PCPartPicker to see how much it consumes but I'll probably end up getting a 500W 80+ Bronze.
Also a few similarly priced (new) GPUs here:
RTX 4060 8GB
RTX 3060 12GB
RX 7600 8GB
RX 6750 12GB
ARC A750 8GB
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>>102416209
>buy...THIS!!!
I'm poor and a turd worlder, the used market here sucks and nVidia is overpriced when compared to the AMD options.
>Why not AMD???!!!
You know, I'm not really sure, I really had fun playing with local language models and would really like to continue doing so. I understand that 8/12GB isn't a lot but at least nVidia has CUDA. Picrel is a list of similarly priced cards when new. Not to mention the proprietary upscaling technologies that AMD doesn't have.
I did check out some used cards and I can find pretty easily a 3060ti for the price of a new 4060, not sure if they were used for mining or whatever, or even if it matters that much.
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>DLSS Frame Gen, you'll have to optimize further, as it requires extra VRAM
I had forgotten about DLSS3/Framegen since I've never used it before (I was using a 1060). In theory it seems really cool and a killer feature for the 4060, I'm willing to take a small graphical hit in order to push more frames in taxing games. As I've always been a low-end user I'm very used to adjusting the settings to reach playable framerates so I don't think VRAM would be an issue (in this specific case).
>seems that the 4060 is pulling ahead substantially in newer titles
That is very good to know.

>>102417548
Goddamit I didn't notice the bump limit, I'll post it again in the new thread.

>>102417548
I think that B450 motherboards which only have PCI 3.0, when paired with PCI 4 x8 videocards (x8 only, like the 7600 or 4060, etc) performance is tanked a bit. I may be mistaken but that's why I went for a B550 instead

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Why are decent 1000W PSUs so expensive?
Can't I just get a midrange one from Seasonic or Bequiet like back in the day and be set for the next 5+ years or so?

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>>102415997
I see. Is HMB used instead of the SLC cache or is that something different?
>Having a physical RAM chip on the drive is still faster but not in a way that's noticeable in casual/consumer use.
The SN850X is like the SN770 but with DRAM and costs an extra £40 so I'm guessing it's not worth it

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I want to get a monitor stand for my 30" desktop monitor. I plan on rotating it to play shmups in rotated mode.

Should i go with the clamp-on style or the free standing style of stand?

>>102417809
Get an FSP Hydro G Pro