can anyone give summary about Arrow Lakes? thankss

>>102760750
its too good and will be unobtanium in the first 3 months of launch

>>102760750
looks good. it somehow beats 9950x in MT despite have way less threads. well have to wait for the full embargo to be lifted in 4 hours. i dont think they posted all the slides

>>102760750
Their slides show a mediocre gaming uplift but a good boost to production applications. If you were planning on building a high-end gaming system but were put off by the OOS 7800X3D and degrading RTL chips it will be worth considering. For productivity it's obviously a matter of time to break-even vs. now discounted older gens.

How's the 12700KF for productivity? Do I want the igpu?

>>102760750
irrelevant for high end gaming
might be okay for a workstation or lower end mixed use build

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Custom PC window with a jigsaw.
I have decent experience with tools.

Yay or nay?

>>102760750
THANK YOU INTEL 14 CORES 3nm $290. meanwhile ayyyyymd charges 4nm 6 cores for the same price

First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set.

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>>102760797
>How's the 12700KF for productivity?
It's still mid even with current-gen CPUs which is a little impressive all things considerd.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x/27.html
>Do I want the igpu?
It's okay, the iGPU is good to have as a backup insurance but if the discount for the KF is more than say $10-15 and you already have/plan to have a dGPU I'd say don't worry about it.

>>102760828
>intel sissy avx2-only singlethreaded lion cope cores
>and cucked lastgen (gimped) cores with bad latency
>vs
>amd chad avx512 hyperthreaded cores
its the age old problem of quantity vs quality

>>102760741
Senko a shit

Why are there so few 24 inch 1440p displays?

>>102760843
Danke
Would it be worth spending a little more for the 12900? 15% seems like a lot for the price difference.

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Hours before kino lake reviews. What a time to be alive.

>>102760617
I'd suggest plugging them into the fan headers?
As far as I could tell, the fans had different cables for RGB & fan power

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>5070 = 4070 Ti performance

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-ultra-200s-arrow-lake-s-desktop-processors-announced-lion-cove-skymont-xe-lpg-npu-and-lga-1851

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

POOZEN5 BTFO

>>102761007
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-admits-core-ultra-9-285k-will-be-slower-than-i9-14900k-in-gaming

>>102761005
That's just sad, on the other hand makes me feel better for owning 7900XT. let's pray to something AMD presents at least a bit of hope today.
https://youtu.be/vJ8aEO6ggOs

>>102761046
AYYMDEAD is not announcing anything, they have too much POODNA3 stock unsold

are cpu coolers socket-specific?
i recently upgraded to a 7700 (from a bulldozer) and it didn't come with a cpu cooler. i have no clue what my old one is, but it's some sort of noctua cooler i bought like 10 years ago.

is this going to work or do i have to buy a new one?

>>102761058
>they have too much POODNA3 stock unsold
retarded opinion that makes no business sense.

>>102761071
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1fstq6r/amd_reportedly_delays_rdna_4_due_to_rdna_3/

Stay mad faggot

>>102761066
yes, brackets are socket specific. Coolers don't care where you mount them, but the bracket can break your socket if clearance is wrong.

Rdna3 must be doing pretty well to receive so much FUD from Nvidia paid actors

>>102761083
you posted this link so I don't call you out on MLID? Whatever, only 4 hours to go.

>>102760741
why is it so hard to find a motherboard which both supports wifi-7 and 256gb of memory?

>>102761095
It's a solid product, but you can't beat nvidia with just a solid product.

>>102761107
>256gb memory
no use case for goysumers
>wifi-7
no use case for workstation

>>102761058
>LMAO AYYMDEAD hurr durr
>meanwhile Nvidia is raping its customers more and tricking them into thinking buying the same shit again
enjoy wasting more of your hard earned sheckles I guess

>>102761107
>256gb of memory
im sure they all do once 64gb unbuffered dimms are out

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>>102761066
>>102761091
annoying.
i guess i'm ordering pic related then. thanks.

>>102761122
>>102761135
>no use case for goysumers
bragging rights and being able to run 50 pages of chrome and my ultra modded skyrim at the same time. also wifi-7 is good because it has big number on it.

>>102761136
Contact noctua, they'll send you a bracket for free if you "prove" you own the CPU cooler
and it's not just a noctua thing before people start slopping on their dick, most manufacturers do
You basically have lifetime support bracketwise

so I see alot of people saying to use fake DDR5 ram to fix some kind of performance issue instead of having empty slots. is that true? if so wouldnt it be better to buy more Ram as opposed to fake ones, or amI missing something?

>>102761152
oh interesting. cool deal i'll give that a shot.

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bro i just realized the prebuilt pc i bought last year had all of it's chassis fans(RGB) cable daisychained into a SATA connector which ends up in PSU

and ofcourse the chassis fan not detected in bios, in mobo software, in openrgb etc...

but when i try unplugging all the fans, take the 4pin connector and plug into the motherboard chassis fan header
and it wouldn't work
fan won't spin and heats up instead, lights off, and no device detected in bios/software

what am i mistaking here
does rgb fan needs to go into RGB header?
if so is my fan RGB or ARGB?

i don't need the flashy RGB, i just want a way to turn the lights off and quiet down the fan

thanksbro

>>102760741
I will never, NEVER upgrade my GTX 1080

>Zen 5% over Zen 4
>Arrow Lake -2% over Raptor Lake
Why did AMD & Intel even bother in 2024?

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>>102761159
Haven't heard about it for DDR5. Maybe an esoteric OC thing. Anyway, the reason you don't want to run 2DPC on DDR5 is that it cuts a lot off your max speed. Signal integrity is hard to maintain at 3GHz+ and doing it with daisy-chained DIMMs just isn't feasible with today's boards and controllers. FWIW, you got the same effect on DDR4 but the lower clock speeds and generally mature controllers pushed that "cutoff" into the 4GT/s region which nobody but overclockers ran.

>>102761202
battlemage will save 2024

When are intels next GPUs coming out and what's the liklihood that they're good and can offer solid midrange performance like a 5070?

>>102761214
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/lunar-lakes-igpu-debut-of-intels

It's already out, faggot

>>102761202
>idiot

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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>>102761066
chances are your bulldozer cooler will work on the AM5 board until you get a new one.

>>102761207
good old RDRAM

>>102761221
I'm not talking about iGPUs

>>102761202
because EPYC 5 is insanely good, don't know about xeons

>>102761237
Thanks anon I forgot the name of those.

>>102761221
is it any good? I think it's finally time to murder low end dGPUs with iGPUs, if not 4nm, 2nm for sure will do it.

>>102761179
bro i'm new here and knows almost 0 thing on pc fans pls help plox

>>102761179
sounds like this affects you https://www.reddit.com/r/CYBERPOWERPC/comments/wyu078/cpgeneral_solved_finally_found_out_how_to_control/

tldr plug it into the rgb header wherever that is on your board
also google your issues first

>>102761268
Conclusion:
Ensure you're using the correct connectors: The fan power connector should go into the chassis fan header, and the RGB connector should go into an RGB or ARGB header (only if you want RGB control).
If the fan doesn't spin when plugged into the motherboard fan header, it could be a proprietary fan from the prebuilt system, in which case you may need to replace the fans with standard PWM fans.
To disable RGB: Unplug the RGB connector, or use motherboard software if possible. If neither works, consider using a fan hub or controller for better fan speed management.
Let me know if you need help identifying connectors or any other details about your fans!

>read the manuals

>>102761282
fuck i'm sorry

>idgaf

>>102761258
The node isn't the problem it's the memory bandwidth. You'll always be limited by the 64b bus and DDR speeds. Maybe fixable to some extent with cache but then ofc you can put that on a dGPU and we're back to square 1.

>2 year wait until Nova Lake
Thoughts and prayers for intelsisters.

Right now for me the i3 14100f is only like 15$ more expensive than the 12100f, but from what I see the performance difference between the two is extremely minimal? Even their power consumption is the same I think. Which would I be better off going with?

>>102761202
Zen5 is a decent upgrade. It costs less to fab than zen4 and improves performance by 2-100% depending on workload. It'd already close to 20% faster than zen4 if you discount all the windows bugs

>>102761296
Is it really going to be on a new socket? I find it hard to believe after LGA 1700 getting both DDR4/5 variants compatible across Alder Lake, Raptor Lake, and the Refresh than they'll go back to a single-gen socket vs. AM5.

>>102761334
For just $15 more, the i3-14100F is a better choice. While the performance difference is small now, the newer architecture gives it slightly better future-proofing and optimizations. It's a low-cost upgrade for a bit more longevity in your system.

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>>102761339
hot and cold as i defined it

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I finally upgraded my gpu and monitor and I feel literally fucking nothing.
The games run smooth and the screen is bigger but that's it.
It's a jump from 1080p 75hz to 1440p 240hz and I don't feel like it was worth the hassle. It doesn't even look any more impressive than it was.
I need to find better things to do in my life.

>>102761357
Also I'll be RMAing the monitor anyway because it's got 3 dead subpixels, wish me luck.

>>102761357
without a side by side, a new day is a new day

>you don't get the impression that if you even stop training for a few days a lot of it feels, janky?

you can't feel it

>wut gaymes?

>>102761357
Objectively nothing over 1080p is worth it unless you have money to spend and you do nothing but sit in front of your monitor all day

>>102761281
i've googled and google tells me 3pin is argb and somebody mentioned rgb fan goes into 4pin rgb header

but my mobo have no 4pin led/rgb header , but 3pin argb header, and 4pin chassis fan headers
i tried plugging the 4pin rgb fan into 4pin chassis fan header and nothing works so i come here check if i get anything wrong

>>102761282
>fan power connector should go into the chassis fan header, and the RGB connector should go into an RGB or ARGB header
>To disable RGB: Unplug the RGB connector
there's no separate "RGB connector" and "fan power connecter" here
only a 4 wire cable with both 4pin male and 4pin female daisychained as i've showned here >>102761179

>use motherboard software if possible
dude i've mentioned nothing detects the chassis fan, not in bios, not in openrgb, not in asus mobo software

i have no manuals for the fan, it's a prebuilt pc, the shop people gave me no box no package and no manual for the fans
in fact i can't even find a product page for the fan's model it's probably a chinko knockoff so there's no way for me to tell if it's pwm or dc or argb or rgb or anything

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>>102761357
you forgot that PC is just a tool, if you have nothing to do with it, don't bother upgrading

>>102761357
should have just bought a oled then. scientifically speaking, human eyes are most sensitive to brightness and contrast. you can beat oleds per pixel contrast and they get so bright now its eyesearing.

>>102761181
>loses to a 4060 in raw performance using like 70w of power

>>102761005
>pricing "rumours" for products months away
never fails

Got a HAF Evo 700 from Cooler Master, case build is nice but holy fuck the instructions are dogshit bad. I have it all laid out according to the "instructions", the fans work and run and the RGB itself works but the stupid ARGB controller refuses to be detected by literally anything. Not openRGB, not signalRGB, not the mobo software, and certainly not the MasterPlus+ software it's supposed to work with.
the argb hub has:
>plug from fan hub
>SATA power adapter
>micro USB that connects to USB header on mobo on other end

All these cables are in the right place. It's driving me insane, all I want is a nice single color light but I'm stuck putting up with this schizophrenic rainbow nightmare.

>>102761357
>>102761369
Save up your money and try an OLED then. You are probably just feeling empty running up against the fundamental deficiencies of LCDs' poor contrast, colors, viewing angles, uniformity ,etc.

They are cheaper than they used to be, down to $550 starting:
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/monitor/#P=7,9&sort=price&page=1

>>102761334
It's just a clock bump; not a new architecture. Still though an extra 400MHz peak boost isn't nothing and the increased stock power limit will let it hit that more frequently so for $15 it's not the worst idea.
With that said you should check pricing on the 12400(F) because if you're willing to pay $15 for 400MHz you might be willing to pay $30 for an extra 2 cores. IMO that'd have a bigger impact if you're doing something more demanding than web browsing and office.

>>102761396
Proof ?

https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/9/24266052/nvidia-rtx-5070-ces-rumor-specs
https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu-displays/nvidias-planned-12gb-rtx-5070-plan-is-a-mistake/
It's soon to be January again, time for another Nvidia "Unlauched" product?

The age of x86 is over.

First time buyers tempted to consider the RX 7700/7800 XT by AMD’s army of Advanced Marketing scammers (youtube, reddit, twitter, forums etc.) should be aware that AMD have a history of releasing benchmark busting, heavily marketed, sub standard products. Although Nvidia’s 4070 only offers comparable performance, it has a broader feature set (RT/DLSS 3.0) and offers far better game compatibility (drivers). PC gamers looking to join AMD’s “2%” GPU club (Steam stats: 5000/6000/7000 series combined mkt share) need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers (posing as reviewers) are paid handsomely to scam users into buying inferior products. Experienced gamers know all too well that high average fps are worthless when they are accompanied with stutters, random crashes, excessive noise and a limited feature set. [Sep '23 GPUPro].

>>102761438
nah, the 9800X3D mogs.

>>102761385
If anything 1440p will be nice for work but it's not worth getting anything expensive.
>>102761391
I didn't, I also got a 3090 to tinker with muh AI, I just wanted to upgrade all my shit because I thought that's what I'd wanted.
>>102761393
>>102761413
I wanted something that's gonna last me at least 5 years and no matter how much copium I read on the internet no one is gonna convince me OLEDs will last that long.

>>102761446
I love that guy

>>102761387
shouldn't be an issue other than no bios control if oyu're just turning them on with sata

hook one to the header and check

then daisy chain to see if you can control them all under one fan

The common wisdom I keep hearing is that if GPU core and hotspot temps are within 10-15C of each other at all times then the card doesn't need repasting, but is this really true? Wouldn't a uniform but ultimately too thin layer of thermal compound cause high temps but keep the hotspot delta low?

>>102761464
Modern OLED can definitely last 5 years for average user. If you're not and know that you'll display bright colorful static elements several hours a day then don't get an OLED.

>>102761464
people hold onto samsung galaxy phones for 5-8 years bro. they have oleds. my uni teacher still used a galaxy s7.

>>102761480
>there is no header except for cpu

nvm

>>102761512
sigh,

>sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PneArHayDv4

Why is Nvidia so innovative, forward thinking visionary company?

DLSS was released back in 2018, everyone attacked Nvidia on Tensor cores back then but now everyone is silent after being proven wrong by Nvidia

>>102761526
you know, if you sat down with me and smoked a little weed

and talked out our imaginations to the absolute limit of what we could possibly envision realistically

we'd just have plans that other people could go through with
and we could reap teh benefits of a better world

I have just RMA'd my buzzing AOC 24G2ZE/BK, the guys are my local retailer are cool and savvy so I'm hoping they might pull some tricks to get something done as before.

Any info on what RMA is like for chinkshit like AOC?

>>102761487
Sure but then you'd be getting thermal throttling so a repaste would be in order anyway.

>>102761487
the hotspot delta varies based on cooler and chip. for amd 15-20c is expected. for nvidia its lower as they throttle quicker than amd.

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AYYMDEAD CAN'T INTO AI TECHNOLO/g/Y

>>102761410
Just tried to boot it up with no micro USB plugged in and it made no difference. When I tried the same with the SATA adapter there was no RGB, so I know that does something at least.

>>102761487
20C delta is fine, realistically if it doesn't throttle or go above 100C, don't bother

>>102761567
PSSR/FSR4 is driver level and is DLSS quality.

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Is sunlight dangerous for black monitors? It heats up a lot and is hot to the touch.

>>102761499
20K hours is the tops it can get, I think under $600 OLED is fine for that amount of hours used
you can ge one for that with the sales, but I expect better options will come in the next couple years

>>102761587
delamination can happen, so generally yes, sunlight is dangerous

>>102761499
I turn on my computer and I keep my monitors on all day.
>>102761511
Phones stay turned off most of the time in your pocket, different use case than monitors.

Is airflow actually important?

>>102761569
https://www.coolermaster.com/en-au/products/haf-700-evo/

ARGB Gen2 Ready, Controller Included
ARGB Gen2 technology allows users to explore full range customization down to the lighting effecting of each individual LED, while remaining compatible with third party devices.

>>102761589
My LG C1 has 13k hours on it according to settings and it looks the same as it does as I bought it.

>>102761567
>AI slop
I sleep
Nvidia can't into rasterization

>>102761605
>I turn on my computer and I keep my monitors on all day.
when you are not doing anything it's set to display off after 5-10-20m, right?
OLED is strictly for media consumption, don't get it for excel kind of work

>>102761605
>>102761626
You can tell who was born late.
CRTs had potential "burn in" like OLEDs do but nobody complained because they just use screensavers like normal adjusted people.

>>102761617
>if you recycle hot air, depending on how bad it is
+15-20C

>restricted airflow
+10C

>negative pressure
dust

>positive pressure
inefficiency and deadspots

in a cold environment.

>>102761623
13k h is like 2 years for me, monitor is something used for 8-12h a day.

>buy ddr3 system when first ddr4 cpus release
>buy ddr4 system when first ddr5 cpus release
will be doing the same for ddr6
it really is that easy

I have all my parts receipt case fans, but the case came with some basic fans.

I'm nervous something is going to be DOA... better get to work

>>102761631
>but nobody complained because they just use screensavers like normal adjusted people.
CRTs cost like $150 for the perfect picture of the age, if OLED cost as much I wouldn't mind buying new one every 6 months
t. owned a 100hz Samsung CRT

>>102761650
>what's the plan?

>piece it all together and see it all goes at once?

I want to get an OLED monitor but I can't decide between 4k and 1440p. I currently run most games in 4k on my OLED TV but newer games are becoming more and more demanding. The lack of DP 2.1 on current gen OLEDs is also making me hesitate going for 4k.
>7900xtx
>7800x3d
I don't intend to upgrade for at least 3 years, ideally 4 to 5.

>>102761635
I completely skipped DDR3, I was cleaning out some old parts to throw away what I don't need anymore and found the RAM from my 2007 computer, DDR2.

>>102761634
you dont move from your chair for 8-12h?

>>102761387
is there just one cable coming from each fan? can you take a picture of the cable showing all connectors?
rgb fans usually have two connections, one for the rgb and one for the fan motor AFAIK

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hi
dont have many plans so money isn't a barrier
have an lgc2 from building my Pc last year 4090 7600x with intentions to up the CPU when the good shit came out
Wondering if monitor wise, we have any indications of "better" stuff than the 480hz 2k monitor that just dropped, i think it really is diminishing returns at this point but i can afford it so why not.
so im asking is there any new screens i can wait a bit for to play my "esports" gay shit, and if i need to upgrade my CPU to make the monitor purchase worth while.
thanks guys

>>102761660
4k gaming is a meme

>>102761658
I think I'll just build it as if everything will work, say a prayer and press power. If it doesn't boot then I'll have to figure it out.

>>102761660
worst case scenario - AFMF2 is pretty good.
But XTX should hold you for 3 years for sure.

>>102761544
>>102761573
>if it doesn't throttle
My issue is that I've seen people saying that even if it throttles, if the delta is low than there's some other problem with the cooler and repasting won't help. Thought that sounded like bullshit, that's why I asked.

>>102761666
do you switch off you monitor every time you get up?

>>102761692
i dont have to manually do anything. its called automatic screensavers.

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>>102761624
AYYMDEAD CAN'T INTO RASTERIZATION PERFORMANCE, FAGGT

>>102761651
>>102761631
In 2029 LPD patent will expire.

>>102761672
do you want me interjecting?

Fuck Corsair cases, power switch on mine went haywire and this was after plastic switch pressing the actual switch broke. Worst fucking cases I've ever owned.

>>102761703
and? with modern restrictions nobody would let you make a CRT

>>102761446
>his latest "review" of the 7900 GRE doesn't mention the GRE a single time
this guy's walls must be full of invisible AMD shills

>>102761387
Let this be a lesson to not buy pre-builts.
Anyway, that cable you posted is proprietary. meaning it only works with a specific fan/rgb controllers. The mobo in your picrel does not support it. You got fucked over. Buy new fans or a new motherboard lol.

>>102761714
it's kind of reassuring yes

>>102761698
>7800 XT = 4060 Ti
kek

>>102761685
I suppose if you had a big sample you could make probability judgements like that. If you've got one card and it's either throttling, or has a big delta, then SOP* would be to reset to factory, visually inspect and clean, then repaste if the problem persists.

*Assuming an RMA is out of the question.

>>102761738
can components take out other compnents

1. Power Supply (PSU)
Risk: A faulty or poor-quality PSU is one of the most common culprits that can cause widespread damage. If the PSU delivers incorrect voltages or experiences a power surge, it can fry components like the motherboard, CPU, GPU, or storage drives.
Protection: High-quality PSUs from reputable brands often have built-in protections, such as overvoltage protection (OVP), overcurrent protection (OCP), and short-circuit protection (SCP) to prevent this from happening.
Solution: Always use a well-rated PSU from a trusted brand (e.g., Corsair, Seasonic, EVGA) and avoid low-cost, no-name power supplies.
2. Motherboard
Risk: A faulty motherboard could potentially cause damage to connected components like the CPU, RAM, or storage devices by delivering improper power or voltage.
Protection: Most motherboards have built-in protections to prevent short circuits or overheating, but a faulty

Ways to Protect Your Components:
Use a High-Quality PSU: Always opt for a reliable, well-rated PSU with built-in protections like OVP, OCP, and SCP.
Surge Protectors/UPS: Use a surge protector or uninterruptible power supply (UPS) to guard against power surges.
Proper Installation: Ensure all components are seated correctly, and cables are connected properly. Double-check your work during installation.
Test Components Before Full Assembly: As mentioned earlier, testing your components outside the case (like the motherboard, CPU, RAM, and PSU) can help prevent major issues later on.
Monitor Temperatures: Keep an eye on system temperatures to ensure your cooling solution is working effectively. Overheating can damage your CPU, GPU, and other components.
Conclusion:
While it’s uncommon for one component to take out another, it’s possible, especially with a faulty PSU or improper installation. Being cautious during installation and using quality parts significantly reduces the risk of widespread damage.

>>102761757
>2. Static Electricity Precaution:
3. Install the Power Supply First:
Check the PSU First: Before connecting it to your components, test your PSU using a PSU tester or by doing the paperclip test (carefully!). This ensures it’s working correctly and avoids the risk of it damaging other parts.
Connect Cables Neatly: Route the power cables neatly and avoid bending or pinching them. Use the correct power connectors for your motherboard, CPU, and GPU.
4. Install CPU, RAM, and Cooler on the Motherboard:
Install Outside the Case: Before installing the motherboard in the case, install the CPU, CPU cooler, and RAM on the motherboard outside the case. This avoids the risk of bending pins or damaging the motherboard due to awkward installation angles inside the case.
Align and Fit Correctly: Ensure the CPU is aligned with the socket and locked in place without forcing it. Similarly, make sure the RAM sticks are fully seated in their slots (you should hear a click when they snap into place).
5. Test the Motherboard Before Full Assembly:
Do a Test Boot: Connect the PSU, CPU, RAM, and GPU (if required) to the motherboard and power it on before mounting everything in the case. You can use the motherboard's power pins or the PSU’s paperclip test to check if it powers up correctly.
Look for POST (Power-On Self Test), which is an indication that the system is functioning properly.
>6. Careful GPU Installation:

>gptspam anon is back
Time to leave till next thread

>>102761679
Are there any OLED monitors with full DP 2.1 yet? I know the XTX doesn't have full 2.1 support but I'd prefer to future proof.

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why arent tri-tower air coolers a thing?

What thermal cum flavour should I use for GPU repasting? If it makes any difference.

What would be a good motherboard for a ryzen 7 7800x3d and corsair vengeance 2x32GB DDR5 6000CL30 RAM ?
I'm looking for something with USB C and lots of usb 3.x connectors.
Thought about the 870x Tachi or is it overkill?
Also read about the ASUS ROG Strix B650E-F
What would be a good mobo for a retard like me?

>>102761825
How would that work? Asymetrical design or circular heatpipes?

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>>102761660
>7900xtx
>7800x3d
>I don't intend to upgrade for at least 3 years, ideally 4 to 5.
Get the 4K, those specs should last 3 years or so easy and worse case after than just lower some settings to High/Med is all I predict you'd need to do. You could also at that point run games with lossless integer scaling at 4x1080p Internal Rendering. The higher resolution is not the only benefit for OLED like it is with LCD, the higher PPI of the 32" model makes color fringing for these non-RGB-based displays finally all-but-gone on text/desktop while it's still a problem on the 1440p models.

HUBTim talks about this in his very first 4K OLED Monitor review here and has been consistent in pointing it out ever since:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qywLwR7KT9M&t=275s
Also look at the difference in clarity between the 1440p 27" & 4K 32" MSI models RTINGs tested here:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/msi-mpg-321urx-qd-oled-vs-msi-mpg-271qrx-qd-oled/47132/47131#test_4264

The actual increase in the physical panel size from 27" to 32" also contributes to higher immersion.

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>>102761757
>>102761767
>>102761738
as a layman who built this computer, the static thing is "true" but i literally zapped myself from my case while holding my mobo with the cpu installed and shits fine so lol
also pushed my cooler into my cpu hard as fuck multiple times thinking i needed to push the screws of if to "catch" the screw holes
i had to actually screw the bolts a bunch of times to like, actually be protruding from the holes and reach it

as long as you kinda try to be safe its gonna be fine
and ultimately, if you fuck it up, damn bro i thought id broken my shit for like 5 days during the holidays and i was building it at my parents house, cause it turned on but never lit up the screen, had the fuckin monitor on display port and i was using HDMI

Are higher TB SSDs worth the money now?
I’ve got a 1TB and 2TB SSD and looking at upgrading the 1TB and was wondering if the ones past 2TB are at good value or if I just upgrade it to 2TB.

>>102761848
4tbs are really affordable now
8tb isnt worth it since it usually costs 3.5-4x the price of a 4tb one

>>102761848
how many spots you got on your mobo is the real question

>>102761828
x870e nova is unironically amazing. taichi is better for overclocking since it has an external clockgen, allowing you to oc x3d cpus
asrock's x870e lineup is solid in that they never split your x16 gpu lanes to x8 like the ones from other brands do

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>>102761698
I could run SWO at 100fps with x100 more detail and things happening in the scene.

>>102761757
I got a be quiet 80+ platinum so it should be good

only thing is I have to take apart my daily computer to remove the SSD and GPU so if the new one doesn't work I'm stuck using my phone to google for answers, or put that one back together. It's not total disassembly but since the m.2 is on the rear of the mobo with no access hole I have to take that off, basically it's time to say goodbye to my Z170 mobo... hopefully won't be using it again.

>>102761826
PTM7950

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>>102761698
Nvidia can't into rasterization
You need a 4090 to beat 7900XTX, which is ~1000$ more
loooooooool
how seethed are you right now?

>>102761885
they look good but my case only fits ATX not EATX, and they all EATX. I got a regular x870 board.

>>102761698
>3050 bigger than the 6600
?

>>102761816
>but I'd prefer to future proof.
future proof what? do you even understand how it works? monitor is going to work within the specs anyway

>>102761848
What for? If you need long term storage just get an HDD.

>>102761840
only compatible with CAMM2 ram

>>102761907
its 1440p and optimized to nvidia.

Bruh, how is TSMC even real?

>>102761826
Arctic Mx4.

>>102761357
You are too rich to find small things interesting. Just like how you don't find a new shoe interesting, its the same for a new computer for you.

>>102761911
>future proof what?
For the next GPU I get. With 1.4 it's either DSC or HDMI (which isn't an option for me anyway because no HDMI 2.1 on loonix with AMD).

>>102761569
>use microUSB to USB-A to the back of the machine
>LED1 on the back of the argb hub board turns on, get usb plugged in sound but still no detection in software
>plug cpu cooler fan into fan hub, plug that into mobo argb and plug the front cover argb into other argb header
>CPU cooler rgb works, front cover works (finally)
>now none of the fans have rgb

Fascinating. I love computers.

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>>102761826
mayonnaise

>>102761902
Fake garbage benchmark

>>102762115
i did this and ants started stealing my thermal mayo and also dying on my cpu. i don't know about the thermals of ants + mayonnaise

>>102762097
>DSC
you can't tell the difference.

>>102762119
mhm mhm keep seethoping

>>102762115
Is there a chart like this but after a year of 24/7 use or something?

>>102762195
>after a year of 24/7 use
PTM7950 solved all the pump out issues.

>>102761902
If I want the best rasterisation with no compromises, I have to buy nvidia, meaning AMD is bad at rasterisation

>>102762214
Ridiculous price, I don't care if it's the best product on the market, I'm not getting shit sold at huge markups.

I am currently on an NVIDIA GPU gaming with Linux Mint 22. My current monitors are older 1080p HP monitors and I have been having significant issues with vertical sync/screen tearing.
Does anyone have any advice on what to upgrade to? I currently have a dual monitor setup for work and would prefer to have two monitors. Does linux properly support multiple GSYNC monitors yet? If not, what would anyone advise?

SN850X y/n?
I've seen plenty of pricier SSDs out there. I find these to be "affordable" on 2TB.

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>>102762246
>Mint

Ok im thinking of getting the Acer Nitro XV275K,
but i only have a 3070 and im waiting for the 50xx series. Will gaming in 1080p look as good as 1080p native or will the upscaling make it look blurry?

>>102762297
Yes, big yes.

>>102762299
it just werks. would you suggest a different distro. note: i will not be tinkering or using windows.

>>102762297
ya its fine. pro tip look on ebay you can find them new in box and save some dinero. ive bought 2 sn770 2tbs for like, a hundred bucks a pop or something

>>102762300
go 1440p instead
3070 will last longer and you'll get better frames and quality

>>102762246
Nvidia sucks in linux

>>102762244
Just buy a 4~8g tube of MX-6 then

>>102762300
>Will gaming in 1080p look as good as 1080p native
no
or will the upscaling make it look blurry?
it's better with FSR or whatever AI bullshit. but if you don't have that, interpolation makes it look bad. but there is no shot i'd ever buy a 1080p in current year.

>>102762312
What about OpenSUSE?

>>102762319
Yeah I grabbed this one at 140€, maybe it could be cheaper on ebay but I think it's a fine price

>>102761631
nobody complained because there was no alternative and CRTs were cheap, also nobody cared.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/newsroom/news/core-ultra-200s-series-desktop.html
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/codename/225837.html

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

POOOZEN5 BTFO.

>>102762238
nvidia is all about compromises

>>102762522
when lcds were hitting the scene people were still using crts because they have no input lag and have way better whites.

I didn't replace my CRT until PS3 and that was because widescreen games didn't look correct on my 4:3.

>>102762329
That's one of the options im considering but im worried about 1080p movies and anime looking bad in fullscreen.
Is that a reasonable concern or does media upscaling look good?

>>102761631
CRT burn in wasn't cumulative

>>102762531
>285K is 15% faster than 9950x while being $100 cheaper
THANK YOU INTEL

Is AM5 worth it if you are on a budget? The alternative will be going the bare minimum for gaming with AM4 (which would let me get an actually decent GPU) and then upgrading to the 5800x3d whenever I feel like I need the extra processing power.

>>102762564
>have way better whites.
Yeah that's because early lcds were backlit with CFLs

Pls halp, should I wait for 9800X3D or for 7800X3D price to drop? Or should I skip them and get 7600/X for half their price?
And which GPU should I get or wait...
Purpose: gaming at 2k all ultra no RT above 60 FPS for at least 4-5 Yeats
My monitor: AOC Q27G3XMN
My MOBO: B650 Steel Legend Wifi
My PSU: MSI MPG a850g
My RAM: Adata XPG 6000/30 2x16GB
case I want to get: Antec C5 or Deepcool Morpheus (I rly like both od them)
Budget for GPU I can spend up to 4080 Super price pointy
CPU any CPU

>>102762553
If AMD offered a video card with no compromises, the Radeon business unit wouldn't be in such an inferior market position.

>>102762531
>>102762593
Getting a 9800X3D regardless.

>>102762588
The only reason why you would get AM5 is for the overpriced x3d. Amd can’t beat Intel in price/perf in gaming or application

>>102762593
>still pushing the estrogen core meme
DOA

>>102762629
>price/perf in gaming
The 7800X3D already beats the 14900k in price/perf while pulling half the power.

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Newegg is offering $104 to trade in my 2060.
Should I take them up on it or do you do think I can get a better offer from something like Facebook Marketplace or Ebay?

>>102762640
>he thinks getting 14900k is the best price to perf
I expect nothing less from low iq amds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhIXt1svQZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crZ2K-DBAhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X99I_dCBwA
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-ultra-arrow-lake-preview/

>>102762655
eBay will take their transaction fee.
Maybe you'll find a buyer on FB Marketplace, but a new 6650XT was going for $200 recently.

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>>102762662
holykek

>>102762655
in EU "refreshed" goes for 200$ at retailers
150$ at social market

>>102762660
Your CPU literally explodes buddy, only someone braindead would buy Intel ever again.

>>102762599
If Nvidia offered a video card with no compromises, there wouldn't be a reason to buy AMD
Sadly they inflate their performance with garbage and the average retard gets tricked

>>102762692
>+80% market share
AMD clearly not giving enough reason to buy their Radeon cards, RDNA4 is their admittance raster performance itself isn't relevant enough.

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>cheaper and faster
Arrowlake looking good

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>>102761567
So this is the Nvidia's innovative technology I've heard so much about? Smeared heads and sparkling armpits?

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>>102762721
Forgot the video. How can you even shill this shit and telling it's better than rasterization?

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>>102760741
I should of buyed the 7800XT Hellhound for 450€ when I had the chance...

>>102762672
its over

>>102762721
>>102762738
Continue to attach the worst implementations.
The industry and market are both adopting RT/upscalers at a faster pace.
>New games all slop etc.
Then don't buy expensive cards that are meant to performantly run new & future games.

>changed from MAXIMUM POWER to eco mode by default
>where's my performance?
should be a lesson to never listen to media channel complaints

>>102762738
because native looks like shit too nowadays thanks to taa slop

>>102762672
I didn't feel the future of desktop computing being this bleak even during the Incremental Haswell Era or 10nm+++++ purgatory (at least GPUs were still exciting at the time).

Will LGA-1851 support future Ultra 300S CPUs?
AM5 will most likely support Zen6.
I don't want to shell out 400 bucks for a MB for only one gen.

>>102762797
14+++ was a great era in hindsight
intel got taken down many notches by dismantling their own hedt lineup with 6-10 core mainstream cpus, while at the same time amd were putting out highly innovative cpus for dirt cheap

>>102762805
If Nova Lake / 18A is pin-compatible with 1851 boards, there's no reason Intel wouldn't share this information.
They want as many people to buy into the new platform.

>>102762833
Nova lake hasn’t officially been announced. The only reason we know about it is through leaks

I got a Z690 motherboard with a 12700kf. The motherboard comes with two connectors for cpu power but it really only needs 1. Should I connect both anyway?

>>102762847
>Nova Lake / 18A
>18A
18A is.
They can say the 1851 platform is pin-compatible with whatever 18A desktop product if it is.

point to Intel 12th gen release where it was published that three generations will be supported

you can't because they don't release futures information in this manner

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>>102762805
almost guaranteed. don't listen to amd propaganda. they said lga1700 will only have 1-2 gen but here are in 3rd gen and will get bartlett lake next on LGA1700

>>102762881
>point to Intel 12th gen release where it was published that three generations will be supported
Because it was never part of the plan, it was originally Alder Lake, Raptor Lake, then a new platform to Meteor Lake-S (1851).
https://videocardz.com/newz/intels-canceled-meteor-lake-s-cpu-for-lga-1851-socket-has-been-pictured
This is why people are concerned with the new socket potentially supporting a single CPU generation.

>>102762892
Is Intel really that fucked that they have paid shills on here 24/7? That's fucking sad

>>102762892
the 3rd gen was cope from MTL-S being cancelled (we can see why now with how ARL regressed)

>>102762911
AMD are getting desperate since the only redeemable part of their new cpu is waiting for x3d. meanwhile intel is raw multicore perf and price/perf

Why do people still use Windows ITT when they fully know they are giving up a fraction of their hardwares performance to use a gay start menu?

>>102762924
intel lost the singlethreaded crown with the 5% clock regression and mere 9% ipc increase. they're now effectively half a generation behind amd in singlethreading performance, which is majorly embarrassing for them

>>102762862
Yeah might as well.

>>102762924
>price/perf
Intel lowering the launch price of their newest client chip is an acceptance these products don't merit a higher MSRP.
This is like the RX 7800XT releasing at $500 because it's within 3% of the discounted 6800XT's performance.

>>102762924
Yeah, especially with their e-waste cores and 500W power draw. Maybe you'll even get lucky and get a CPU that isn't already defective from manufacturing.
Not even shilling AMD, they're both absolute dogshit right now. Fucking desktop DIY stuff has been shit for years now.

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what do you think of my?

>The new i9 is on par and sometimes is even slower than the 14900k that's pretty much a 13900k
What the fuck is Intel doing? I can't believe I waited for this.I should have bought the 7800X3D years ago.

AMD stream is starting

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>>102762969
>BUT THE PRICE TO PERFORMANCE! THE DISCOUNTED ENTRY PRICE! THE POWER EFFICIENCY!

>>102762966
If you're happy with it, I'm happy with it.

>>102762969
13900k was an illegitimate performance upgrade when they burn out in months.
and dont discount ARL just yet. we havent seen what it can do with low latency 8400mt/s memory

>>102762983
>Advancing AI 2024
Don't care, show RDNA4

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Day 553 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102762983
>Advancing AI
I sleep

>>102762947
Yes, but the energy consumption is much lower, with all the advantages that brings, imbecile

Is OCing with FIVR any different from usual? Never had Haswell

>>102763031
Intel lowered the launch price because the chips weren't good enough to be marked higher.
Drill that into your skull, imbecile.

>>102763055
its only slightly different

When AMD shows off FSR 4.0 using AI, that's when they'll finally be able to compete with Jewvidia and DLSS. What a year to be an AMD fan.

I thought that things would be more efficient nowadays both CPU and GPU compared to the shitbox single core Pentium 4s that I used when I was a kid and sipped 100W+

>>102762907
I wonder if Nova Lake is gonna be DDR6-only which would be why'd go to a different socket?
Maybe they'll pull a Bartlett Lake with LGA 1851 and keep adding new refreshes on two concurrent sockets.

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>AMD showing off new Epyc chips on the same day Intel announced underwhelming Arrow Lake desktop CPUs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ8aEO6ggOs
Are you guys ready for FSR4 and the 7650 GRE? This is gonna change EVERYTHING

>>102763126
>underwhelming
?

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Lisa looking slim, would.

>>102763126
They should salvage those shitbinned 5c chiplets and put them next to X3D chadcores for the ultimate all-workload CPU.

>>102763117
DDR5 JEDEC spec is planned to go above 8000MT/s.
DDR6 won't be introduced to consumer PCs for a long time.
>keep adding new refreshes on two concurrent sockets
>new refreshes
That's not a good thing, only relevant to the very few consumers who upgrade CPUs that often.
The flaws in Meteor Lake & Arrow Lake's tile design is already addressed in Lunar Lake and will be in Panther Lake.
You want products with those tile fixes asap, not refreshes of an inferior chip design.

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>>102763152
its "underwhelming" because amd just fucking lost

>>102763126
its not fair... intel's xeon 6900p didnt even hold the crown for a MONTH...

>>102763152
>>102763171
its same gaming performance as 14900k but at reduced wattage.

for reference a 5800x3d beats a 14900k in cyberpunk.

>>102763126
>9175F is $4k
They really want to keep us on the desktop plantation

>>102763171
intel actually put's amd in their slides now?
the old intel would only annotate that curve (in dull grey) as "competitor chip A"

>actual paid shills come here to post deranged cope slides
grim
does Pat have an appropriate bible quote for this situation?

>>102762531
Skymont is newer than Crestmont, right? What's the name of the e-cores on the 14th gen?

>>102762947
>Intel lowering the launch price of their newest client chip is an acceptance these products don't merit a higher MSRP. This is like the RX 7800XT releasing at $500 because it's within 3% of the discounted 6800XT's performance.
One of the most disappointing aspects of modern PC launches is that the performance is so lackluster that they can't offer a good value on launch over competition not just from rival companies but even previous iterations of their own offerings that are meant to be replaced. Arrow Lake looks like it's going to compete with Zen 5%, but also Zen 4, and Raptor Lake Refresh, AND Vanilla Raptor Lake, and also Discounted Alder Lake.

2 years, 2 companies, 4/5 generations of products between them and they ALL cluster within +/- 10% of each other in price and performance. Anyone that tells me competition is good for consumers needs to answer for themselves because it's been more than a decade since CPUs were this close together but the resulting value is not getting any better as a result (for ARL with new mobos that may be on a DOA Socket) or actively getting worse in the case of Zen 5.

>>102763194
disgracemont

>>102763179
I'm for reduced wattage though. My PC (12900K, water-cooled) is a goddamn space heater. I've been gaming a lot lately and the room it's in is consistently hotter than the rest of the house. If I can get improved performance AND dramatically improved performance per watt, well, Intel has my attention.

Slide fine print mentions of memory used:
285K: 6400 mt/s cl32
14900K: 5600 mt/s cl28
9950X: 5600 mt/s cl28
have to see independent reviews for 8000+ mt/s comparisons

Why would I buy the new Intel crap if there's no performance gain and I have to change the mobo in a year?

>>102763171
They can't even post the raw Cinebench scores anymore.
> Cash-strapped company cancels Intel Innovation event & quietly launches Arrow Lake-S with a gen-over-gen discount.
Get a clue.

>>102763151
>we designed Zen 5 to be the best for server workloads
We gamers lost...

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>>102763231
Stop being racist

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I think i understand how intel managed to keep ultra 9 so much cheaper than 9950x. the 3nm cpu tile is roughly half the size the 2 ccx on 4nm.

>>102763212
Things only seem like this because it seems like everyone following hardware is brainrotted retards that think the only metric to performance is 1080p gayming.

Instead of just accepting that you have hardware good enough for the time being you screech because your not given an excuse to consume.

Get a grip on yourself.

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>>102763232
Never forget

>>102763270
AMD is raking you over the coals of course.

>>102763270
Dude that's the soc tile
The compute tile in the one in the top right position

>tiles
enjoy your higher latency

>>102763310
at least they're right next to each other thanks to foveros. amd on the other hand you can fit a whole lake between each chiplet

>Granite Rapids already utterly obsolete
intelsisters can't catch a break, huh?

>>102763153
That's a man

>>102763356
That's actually just Jensen in drag.

so my old ass r9 390 is dying and I need to replaye my 10 year old build. I'm looking forward to play in 1440p and I don't give a flying fuck about ray tracking so I've found a new saphhire 7900xt for less than 650 euros, did I fucked up? I don't trust nvidia with the new 50 series for price - performance value

>>102763153
Imagine being her bull? You would be insanely rich

>>102760741
Got an old 4th gen pc, tempted to throw an i7 4770 and a GTX 970 in it. Any ideas on what it'd sell for with a 1tb hdd and 128GB SSD?

>>102763183
That chip has 16 1-core CCDs anon

>>102763407
Not as rich as Jensen's bull.

>>102762805
This, I don't mind jumping from AMD if there are at least two gens per socket.

>>102763418
250

>>102763428
kek

>>102763373
For pure raster? No lmao.
If you were doing anything else maybe.
Biggest issue would be your pcie gen 3 holding back AMD cards a bit that and lack of SAM.
Besides that then you'll be fine.

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>'So is it better or worse?'
>It's more power efficient!
No shit Sandeep, it's got TSMC 3nm compute tiles vs factory overclocked "Intel 7" compute cores.

>AMD stock suddenly fell through the floor
lmao, what did she say?

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>>102760741
RBG anime chuds, is there any stopping us now?

>>102763473
All we had so far was 5th gen Epyc for datacenters and now MI325X GPUs so no idea

>>102763179
>its same gaming performance as 14900k but at reduced wattage.
that's not true though, even Intel admitted the 14900k will still be better for gaming performance

>>102763465
thats basically the trend for next gen. same performance if not 5-10% better but more power efficient. like rdna4 flagship is 4080 super but not guzzling so much power and at a price people can afford.

>no need to upgrade my GPU
>no need to upgrade my CPU
>new GPUs look like shit
>new CPUs look like shit
feels good

https://www.google.com/search?q=AMD+stock

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

>>102763516
>like rdna4 flagship is 4080 super
They never learn.

>>102763537
yeah shame for all the 4070 super fags who got scammed when they could have bought that flagship for same price

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what did she mean by this?

>>102763582
Probably only on the new FP6 and FP4 silicon.

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>>102763516
>4080 super but not guzzling so much power
It's the most efficient modern gaming card in the market, at stock settings.
RDNA4's rumored to be on the same N4P node as the Ada Lovelace chips, Blackwell will be on a more performance & power optimized 4NP process.

AMD stock is falling even further kek.

>>102763270
Anon, why are you so retarded? That's the TSMC N6 SoC tile

>>102763610
>>102763473
>>102763526
Baby's first execute presentation?

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>>102763571
Except one card exists irl, the other's just your imagination.
You're betting AMD can design a more performant chip in both raster & RT on the same node as the 4080, and make it smaller to profit @ the 4070's price point.

Radeon wouldn't be in such a bad position if they had the competence to achieve this in the first place.

>>102763641
>>102763641
>>102763641

>>102763650
How much is Intel paying you pajeet sir? I will give you double.

KILL IT

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Arrow Lake pricing in Finland

>>102763751
Fug:DDD

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>>102764068

>>102762593
>the noti9 is just the noti7 with 4 more efficiency fores and a slight overclock
Who is going to buy this? Who would pay more to not get more full speed performance cores, but to get more efficiency cores meant for background tasks?

>>102762738
>look at this low bitrate 720p webm
>with a midrange card
>framerate drops during a hidden loading screen and when a ton of npcs are active
>this clearly means that raytracing is bad

>>102765807
(X)OCers to set hardware records.

>>102761268
Everything mentioned by e celeb YouTuber faggots is merely marketing. You don't need to go with any of the mentioned brands