>>102777573
Dearest O.P.,

Why not a system with all PCI lanes and lots of RAM and storage and stuff? A system with real chest hair on it, so to speak?

>could be glowie, even

>>102777573
This whole thread reeks of no sex

>>102777573
>t-pick
Oh boy manchilderen thread.

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I am planing to buy a decent gaming + datascience(not hardcore though, i will generaly use R, python etc with big datastets) PC.
My budget is 900-1000~ $ or 31-34.5k Turkish liras
You can use this sites to compare prices

https://www.akakce.com/
https://www.cimri.com/

For know i am cosidering to buy these parts

Gigabyte RTX 4060 TI Gaming OC GV-N406TGAMING OC-8GD 128 Bit GDDR6 8 GB

and 5600x or 7600x + 32 gb ddr 4 ram

any recs? One anon recommend me to buy 3070 but they are ridiculously expensive here compared to 4060s

Glowie exposed himself.

>>102777632
Yes that is why there is a gtx card in OP.

>>102777652
That looks about right for the budget. Be advised you can't use DDR4 RAM with the 7600X - it's DDR5 only.

>>102777652
>900-1000$
Rip. I think it's best for you to consider alternatives unless PCs are really cheap there, 1000$ is not enough for a PC with 3070.
Unless you really want to buy odd parts form china.

>>102777682
*PC parts*

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>>102777631
something like pic related, definitely not a budget build this absolutely mogs anything with two or three slots

>really gives my dingle a tingle

>>102777682
3070s are like $300 on Ebay right now. Pretty easy to build around one with a $1k budget. In fact, you can just about squeeze a 4070 in under $1000 (before tax) eg. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sgDDrv Not the greatest PC but it's just a proof of concept.
It'll be more difficult, if not impossible, with him being in Turkey. I imagine PC components are more expensive over there so the 4060Ti/3070 are more realistic.

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I bought a 7800xt for $457.

yeah I think I'll just waitfag until better interconnects and compact core CCDs trickle down to AMD desktop chips
any indication on when Zen 6 will release? next year or 2026?

>>102777682
i couldnt find a prebuild system with 3070 but here few prebuild systems to give you an idea

https://www.itopya.com/modart-creation-v6amd-ryzen-5-7600gigabyte-geforce-rtx-4060-ti-windforce-oc-8gb16gb-ddr5512gb-nv_h25967

https://www.gaming.gen.tr/urun/366491/arden-4070-amd-ryzen-5-5600-mpk-asus-dual-geforce-rtx-4070-evo-oc-12gb-16gb-ram-512gb-m-2-ssd-sistem-tavsiyesi-star-wars-outlaws-hediyeli/

>>102777808
2026 is more likely, or Q4 '25.
It depends on the release schedule of their next data center CPU (Venice).
https://www.techpowerup.com/313421/leak-suggests-amd-6th-gen-epyc-venice-cpus-linked-to-new-sp7-socket

>RTX 5090 will probably cost +3000 eurodollars
Waitfags always win, r..right guys..?

>>102777861
it won’t

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>>102777808
2026, it will be on tsmc N3 the same node intel is using for arrowlake this year

>>102777797
>It'll be more difficult, if not impossible, with him being in Turkey.
Why did you think I said that?

>>102777881
Said what?

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Preorder placed

>>102777877
>same node intel is using for arrowlake this year
its over for amd zen6doa too

>turn the power on
>LiveMixer's CPU and DRAM lights flash in red for a second
>the power button does nothing
I've already reseated the CPU and RAM, there was no visible damage on the CPU pins, and reconnected their respective cables to the mobo and the power supply.
I also cleared the CMOS, or at least I think I did, I just held a screwdriver between the two pins for like 10 seconds.
Besides the Livemixer, I have
>R5 7600x
>G.Skill Flare X5 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL30
>Corsair RM750x SHIFT 750W
Any idea of what's wrong or what could I try next?

>>102777869
Maybe not in burgerland, but Europe is fucked. Especially where I'm from.
>get supplied newest and greatest tech the last
>pay extra premium due to high demand

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>>102777909
there i fixed it for you

>>102777958
am5 is dead. no point of upgradability if all the upgrade is doa

intel-kun...
don't you need to keep the suicide watch over your sisters on reddit?

>>102778028
reddit is extremely amd tier. there's even a whole subreddit to amd cope (r/ayymd)

>>102777985
How long did you wait for the initial memory training to complete?
Give it 5~10 minutes.
https://www.crucial.com/support/articles-faq-memory/ddr5-memory-training

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>>102777573
>current PC
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Frymn6 with a 1440P 144hz monitor. I can't remember the model
>use case
exclusively gaming, mostly single player and only multiplayer games being fighting games
>Budget and Country
USA and $700-$1000

I'm sort of in between what to buy. I could stick with this mobo and get a 5700X3D and a cooler (about $220 combined). And then get a 7800XT/ 7900XT/ 4070 super (whichever is on sale).
Or I could go to my local microcenter and get a 7600X bundle with 32gb of ram and the mobo for $300/ the 7600X3D bundle for $450 (+the cost of the cooler for both). Then use the rest on the GPU.

I'm not sure if moving platforms really even matters unless I am getting that 7600X3D as the 5700X3d and 7600X seem to perform similarly in a lot of games? Would it really matter if I'm mostly just playing single player games and am mostly just trying to hit a minimum of 60 fps at 1440? Any recommendations or thoughts?

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I built a new PC a while ago, runs like a charm but booting, specifically the part until the TUF boot screen appears, takes unusually long. It differs but sometimes it takes up to 25-30 seconds until it gets to that point. My older PC boots to the Windows login screen almost instantly in comparison. What could be the culprit?
Boot drive is a SSD but I put my old 2TB HDD inside for storage too, mobo is a TUF B650.

>9000+ MT/s on Arrow Lake requires switching from Gear 2 to Gear 4
What a letdown. Another gen of waiting to unleash CUDIMMs

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>>102777797

>>102778161
>B650
AM5 systems generally have a long bootup time.
Try updating the board BIOS to the latest stable version.
AMD & board vendors worked on improving DDR5 stability & compatibility.

>>102778161
First boot on ddr5 systems take a while but subsequent ones should be no different from ddr4/3 if you have the latest bios

>>102778161
>What could be the culprit?
Asus

>>102778092
Drop-in 5700X3D would be cheaper, or allow for a better card, but obviously the 7600X3D bundle would be faster when CPU limited. Given your choice of games I'd say to go the 5700X3D route. With that said the AM5 option would give you a better system in the long run - more upgradeability and DDR5 is starting to make a difference in some games. IMO the peak "cheap AM4 upgrade" window is starting to close as new CPUs begin to legitimately outperform the 5*00X3Ds. It's not shut by any means, and won't be for a while in the budget segment, but it's something to consider.

>>102778189
If those are actual Türkiç prices then that's pretty good. Not really optimized for your uses - you'd want a better CPU for work - but pretty close. With a bit of price-shopping you could probably squeeze in a 12600K(F) and call it a day.

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Find a flaw.

Yellow marked lines is stuff I already own and will reuse.
I'll buy an SSD later.

So how do you actually calculate CPU/GPU bottleneck

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>>102778278
ASRock & its parent company Pegatron are practically ASUS' subsidiaries, they've been spun off as independent companies for accounting purposes (lower margin Pegatron/ASRock businesses).
The co-founder of ASUS is the chairman of Pegatron
https://www.asrock.com/general/investor.asp?cat=Manage
https://www.pegatroncorp.com/investorRelation/view/id/4

>>102778372
run at highest resolution your monitor supports, gpu usage isnt at 100%? cpu bottleneck or fps cap.

>>102778371
The CPU and board are way overkill for a gaming rig but good if you're doing some sort of work (though in that case maybe 32GB of system RAM is too little?).

>>102777573
>ASRock B650M-HDV/M2
Is there an equivalent that's not microATX?

>>102777777
What a waste

>>102778371
>find a flaw
Wood doesn't belong on pc cases.

>>102778085
Waited 20 minutes, still doesn't turn on

>>102777985
>>102778799
Dram+CPU light at same time means CPU not detected. Its either the CPU or Mobo. You have to find out which.

>>102778799
Is cpu 8 pin connected

Im im tryna game 1440p at high fps for the forseeable future, what gpu should I be looking at? Will the 4070 ti super get me 144+ fps in the new monster hunter game when it comes out?

>>102778912
7900GRE

>>102778881
Yes, there's 2 of them (8+8)
>>102778834
Fuck

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>>102778912
will you use fake resolution and/or fake frames?
If so, 4070 super should be enough
if not, 7900XTX or 4090 really your only options
7900GRE if you don't want it THAT high and you're happy with 100-120 in some games (or lowering settings from max)

>>102776340
>That's due to the memory controller, not the board's memory topology
the ryzen 5000 memory controller has no issues running ridiculous frequencies, but there's no point because the IF is limiting you
DDR5 runs in gear 2 so running at 3733 on DDR4 is the same amount of load on the IMC as running at 7466 on DDR5
>The CPU's IMC only guarantees speeds that are disclosed on the product spec sheets
yeah which is why you need to do manual tuning to make your setup work at high speeds
your mistake is plugging it in and expecting it to work right away
you have a skill issue
>There's a reason why memory overclockers buy two DIMM slot boards
if you're looking to flex with the highest frequency validations you buy two DIMM boards but four DIMMs at 3733 will outperform two DIMMs at 4000+ due to the additional available bank groups

>>102778912
>Will the 4070 ti super get me 144+ fps in the new monster hunter game when it comes out?
No, the series isn't known for having performant PC ports. It will be a software issue like DD2.
There are only two decent Capcom ports from a technical perspective (SF and DMC), those two games targeted 60 FPS on all platforms.

>>102779064
Resident Evil Remakes & Exoprimal run at 180+ fps on AMD GPUs at 1440p. RE Engine is AMD biased to a degree due to consoles. Also MH Rise is a GDeflate game and so far AMD has performed better in all Gdeflate games.

>>102779100
MH Wilds*

>>102779040
I use fake resolution and frames (XESS 1.3/AFMF2)

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>>102779050
>the ryzen 5000 memory controller has no issues running ridiculous frequencies, but there's no point because the IF is limiting you
AMD's official chip diagrams don't distinguish between the IF and the IMC., don't be pedantic.

>yeah which is why you need to do manual tuning to make your setup work at high speeds
>your mistake is plugging it in and expecting it to work right away
>you have a skill issue
And your manual tuning is capped at the IMC/IF's limitations, brainlet.

>if you're looking to flex with the highest frequency validations you buy two DIMM boards but four DIMMs at 3733 will outperform two DIMMs at 4000+ due to the additional available bank groups
Again, only true for DDR4

>>102779100
>>102779115
They're all stutter fests regardless of the maximum fps.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QHHwMV

Please just tell me I didn't fuck it up

>>102779149
>AMD's official chip diagrams don't distinguish between the IF and the IMC., don't be pedantic.
you can boot higher speeds desynced
but then you get a big latency penalty
you should know how this works if you claim to be knowledgeable about the subject
>And your manual tuning is capped at the IMC/IF's limitations, brainlet
the board can boot up to like 4133 before giving up
but that's because this board sucks, buildzoid called the 4-layer gigabyte boards horrendous (it cost $100 so still worth it)
>Again, only true for DDR4
it has been true for every generation of DRAM since the original DDR

>>102778912
>144+fps in a future title with current graphics cards
That has never happened in the history of hardware

still no 9800x3d FUCK

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Is there any way to find out which motherboards have good sound isolation? The static is starting to drive me insane

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>>102779224
>you can boot higher speeds desynced
>but then you get a big latency penalty
>you should know how this works if you claim to be knowledgeable about the subject
Because it's worthless to talk about desynched AM4/5 systems unless it's a DDR5 platform pushing +8000MT/s with tight timings.
"you should know how this works if you claim to be knowledgeable about the subject"

>the board can boot up to like 4133 before giving up
Boot up =/= stable, irrrelevant.

>but that's because this board sucks,

Do you even know the difference between a daisy chain and a t memory topology?
The board doesn't suck, its memory topology wasn't optimized for maximum memory speeds with 4 DIMMs populated.
You've admitted the 4-DIMM board is bottlenecking your memory performance, I accept your concession.

>it has been true for every generation of DRAM since the original DDR
Except DDR5's basic bitch JEDEC specification is targetting 8800MT/s speeds at 1.1V.
There are memory signaling issues on 4-DIMM slot boards, causing instabilities at DDR5 frequencies beyond basic-bitch 6400MT/s DDR5 setups.
No one's impressed about your sub 3800MT/s 4-DIMM DDR4 when DDR5's basic bitch JEDEC is set to reach 8800MT/s.

What works at sub 4000MT/s 4 DIMM slot DDR4 boards is irrelevant to the performance target of 7200MT/s+ DDR5 systems.
4-DIMM slot boards sets clear physical limitations to optimizing DDR5 memory performance, not just raw transfer speed records.
Board manufacturers are developing and patented ways to overcome this.

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>it's actually happening
i thought this was because of DSC though?

>>102778280
ty anon I think I might get the 5700X3d and just get a better graphics card with the money I'll be saving. I see on Ali express I can get that shit for $130 which might be the best move right now and thats even more dollarydoos I can use towards my GPU upgrade.

>>102778371
7900x is 309€ and 9900x is 480€ in my country, any reason you're picking a 9900x?

>>102778371
If you need a 9900x, isn't it very likely the program you work with will benefit significantly from more ram?

>>102778382
>there's a whole containment company to keep all the cringe away from Asrock
based

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>>102777777
JACKPOT!

>>102779203
You fucked up

Should have found 70 bucks for this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TKxyDZ
Or if I couldn't do that, find 30 bucks just to change the GPU to 4070 super (in addition to grabbing a cheaper SSD like I did)
It smokes the 6800 & has a bunch of cope shit like DLSS & Framegen on top of that

>>102778382
>Asus republic of gamers
>Asrock kingdom of coomers

>>102778382
>the gang learns that every big company is basically owned by the same 3 people

>>102779509
Jensen Huang and Lisa Su are cousins

I got an SN770 (system drive) and a SN850X (storage/games)
There's this thing called gayming mode on both SSDs. Should I have it enabled on both?

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>>102779438
>>102779480
Speaking of ASRock and board memory configurations, the B650M-HDV/M.2 is good enough to set air-cooled memory overclocking records.
https://hwbot.org/benchmark/memory_frequency/rankings?motherboardId=326167&hardwareType=mb

wait until they learn that intel and amd are in bed together because of x86

>>102779531
it just forces the ssds to run at max power. theres no reason to enable it.

>>102779040
>>102779064
>>102779248
So I'm just boned unless I drop an obscene amount of money on the 5090 when it comes out? I was hoping that 1440p wouldnt be much of an issue at this point.

>>102779050
>if you're looking to flex with the highest frequency validations you buy two DIMM boards but four DIMMs at 3733 will outperform two DIMMs at 4000+ due to the additional available bank groups
QRD on this? Should I buy 4 sticks for Zen 5? And what about single vs dual rank dimms? DDR5 is confusing.

>>102778592
Yes, this is for both games and work.
Work is software development and IT infrastructure, so compiling, VMs, Docker, etc. That's why I want the extra threads.
As for the RAM, 32GB should be enough for that. The good thing about RAM is that I can upgrade to 64GB later whenever I feel like it.

>>102778785
It's a preference. I think it will look good against my oak table top.

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>>102777573
> try to build my first ever pc
> watch guide that recommends certain GPU
> $299
> Nice, that's like 275€
> the very same product is actually almost 400€
> realize that everything else is also more expensive

Germany is hell on earth

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>>102779357
The 7900X is 360€ around here, and the 9900X is 22% faster, which is a lot (see pic). Not to mention it does that while consuming way less power.
Please note that this is for a Linux build, so the Ryzen 9000 is not affected by the Microsoft shitshow we've seen on Windows with these CPUs.

>>102779382
Not quite. It's for the use-case I described here: >102779670
The stuff I do does not require gigantic amounts of RAM, so 32GB is plenty.
If I ever feel like upgrading, I just need to buy another pair of DIMMs and slap them together with the others. Easy.

>>102779670
Seems solid then. Do be advised that your top memory speed gets significantly hampered by 2DPC - if you install another 2x16GB you may be limited to 4800-5600. Not a big deal on a dev rig but it'll harm your gaming perf to some degree.

>>102779735
Yeah I'm aware. But since these are 1 rank DIMMs, I think it will not be hampered much.
I've seen posts of people running 4 DIMMs of 6000Mhz on Ryzen 9000 easily. 2 rank DIMMs would be a problem though.
But thanks for the tip!

>>102779701
I made the mistake of buying 7900x. I should've gone with 7950x. Loonix user here. Not to worry, I'll upgrade 2 to 3 years down the line.

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My based flower psu will be the last part to arrive. It's so hard to get. Anyways, I have 10 fans now. 5 p12 and 5 p14. What do I use them for?

>>102779773
The 7950X is only 16% faster than the 7900X. Why would you do such a small upgrade for such a huge price?
That would only make sense if you managed to sell the 7900X for a nice price.

>>102779733
Not sure how I fucked up the link. I meant this here: >>102779670

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>>102779614
The guy doesn't even exactly know why his 4-DIMM board "sucks".
DDR5 has more signaling complexities (interference & overlapping signals) to deal with because of their higher data transfer speeds, especially if you want them to run beyond the common 6000~6400MT/s band.
Pic shows how the signals appear with only 2 DDR5 modules populated in a 4 DIMM board.
If you add more memory modules with more ranks, the IMC is stressed even harder.

It's better to buy 2x 48GB DDR modules instead of 4x 16GB.
Good luck running 4x 32GB beyond JEDEC specs. AMD officially only supports 4x2R DDR5-3600.

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>>102778744
>>102779443

>mmmm... talk dirty to me about your server-grade /workstaytion/ board with multi-GPU support and your sexy 7xPCIe5 x16 slots baby...

>>102779838
Is DDR5 dual rank by default?

>>102779824
I'm assuming I'd get cheap used 7950x 2 to 3 years down the line. I could also buy 9950x used. I'm just an idiot. Ignore me.

>>102779607
Keep in mind frame-rate is a diminishing returns thing.
The higher it is, the less difference our brain sees.
For example, the jump from 30 to 60 fps is much much greater for our perception of fluidity than the jump from 60 to 120 fps.
Do you really need frame-rates above 120 fps to enjoy your games?

Brehs, clean your fucking keyboard. I cleaned mine after removing all the key caps and god was it rank. Full of hair and dust.

>>102779913
No, only the 32 and 48GB modules are.
That’s why it’s recommended to populate only two of those.
We’ve had a few kids asking why their new DDR5 PCs with two separate set of 2x 32GB kits was unstable.

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Why is my shipping late? Did the hacker named 4chan delay it? Why though?

>>102779050
>four DIMMs at 3733 will outperform two DIMMs at 4000
Wait what? How does that work?

>>102779838
>>102779964
So I should be okay with my 1R 2x16GB DIMMs if I later want to slap in another pair to get 64GB?

>>102779920
Yeah, if we're talking about getting and selling used stuff, that all depends on the deals you get.
I myself upgraded from my 3700X to a used 5900X to prolong my AM4 board.

>>102780011
>So I should be okay with my 1R 2x16GB DIMMs if I later want to slap in another pair to get 64GB?
You might have to manually tune speed and timings, one click expo not guaranteed.
Just buy a 2x32GB 6000MT/s kit, or 2x 24GB

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>>102777573
Alright buyfags, convince me I need to upgrade.

Convince me I need to consoom.

Ain't gonna do it. Nope. Not getting out of this chair.

>>102780059
It would help if I posted the build.

Brain upgrades nonwithstanding.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XzL6vj

>amd will be even slower after rdoa4
its so over for the gpu market

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>>102779838
kek this is old news carried forward. IMCs and even external memory controllers have always had this kind of issue when large amounts of RAM came into play.

BIOS in a well designed system will force the memory bus to be slower when RAM channels are increased to the point that IMC would be saturated beyond it's own capabilites. If not you would see things e.g. stuttering and other crashy shit.

so if you have 4-dimm system but with only a 2-channel RAM setup and then double the amount of dimms (all matching to the 2-channel) to double the RAM you can end up with slower memory bus at the tradeoff of having more RAM. On a modern system the performance difference is negligible for almost everything except shitposting about it on a mongolian basket weaving forum.

>have 128GB RAM and think it's the best
>later, ramlets

>>102779964
>unstable
shitty chipsets that freak out with stuff that is supposed to just werk

>>102780011
in-memory operations for the win!

>>102780077
>On a modern system the performance difference is negligible for almost everything except shitposting about it on a mongolian basket weaving forum.
Except it matters so much, manufacturers stopped producing consumer grade boards with a T-memory topology to optimize 2-DIMM slotted memory speeds.

Enjoy your suboptimal memory configuration, copelet.

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>>102780027
I bought x870 hopefully that let's me use fun am5 chips.

How the 2x48GB Hynix M-die kits for freqs and timings compared to 2x32GB A-die?

>>102780174
M can clock higher, it’s a good choice.

>>102780059
No need to upgrade if you're happy with the performance.

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how are black friday/cyber monday sales on pc parts these days? is it worth waiting for?

>>102780244
never has been

>>102780208
So far so good. Maybe a fresh reinstall of Windows might be nice but I kind of need a NAS to offload some storage onto before I do that.

I'm honestly least happy about the case if I'm honest. Yeah it's got good airflow but at what cost? It kinda sucks as a case. That's right everyone, I don't like the Torrent. Not enough expandability for me. Sue me I guess.

Should have never left the Define series...They're the perfect cases. A physical rebuild with the same components wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

>>102780296
Yeah the Torrent is definitely a "focused" case. Airflow uber alles.

Was paying attention to the sound bc I wanted to maybe adjust fan speeds and during that I noticed another sound. I can only hear it when getting really close to the case like within inches with my ear and its hard to describe but basically its like a buzzing/ typical electric type of sound. Stupid question but is it normal to hear anything other than the fans? Its not annoying or anything bc like I said I can only hear it extremly close but I never had this with my old Pc

>>102780114
>stopped producing consumer grade boards with a T-memory topology to

save millions on R&D costs for disposable consooomer level toy computers

Will replacing the fans that come with a case make any difference, or should I just keep them?

>>102779690
When will you eurofags learn that North American prices are stated without taxes?

>>102779296
>nigga just watched der bauer and suddenly thinks he is buildzoid

Fuck off with your shit

>>102780407
They're the same consumer board you're using on your 128GB system, except you're treated as second-class citizens.

>>102780419
The infographic is useful to enlighten children like you.

>>102780417
You can buy anything you want from Amazon or Newegg without paying taxes. You do have a business TIN, right anon?

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>>102780445
>same
kek'd

>don't think so, kid
>workstations mog the consoomer toys

>>102780445
I’m not a child, friend. I have been overclocking computer hardware since the days of using crystal oscillators. You are merely regurgitating something you saw on YouTube. You are merely a pseudo intellectual at best. And your opinion is invalid.

>>102780419
>nigga just watched der bauer and suddenly thinks he is buildzoid
Chat-GPT can provide accurate DDR4 OCing information based on that five-year-old Github guide.
People bragging about their DDR4 OCs are a bad joke.

>>102780244
Here's how GPU/CPU deals were for BF last year you can use a measuring stick:
https://wccftech.com/black-friday-2023-cpu-deals-amd-ryzen-7000-5000-intel-14th-13th-12th-gen/
https://www.pcworld.com/article/1377154/black-friday-graphics-card-deals-what-to-expect.html

Also PCBuilder's Advance Coverage the week before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soAqdbfPURI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9cY2wYjqF0

>>102780479
You may own that image file, but not that board.
I bet you're using only 128GB on that board.
Such a sad cope.

>>102779203
I'd toss in a cpu cooler just because. You can get a phantom spirit 120 for like $35.

>>102780244
Fine for everything but GPUs, if you want one of those you'll get a better deal waitfagging for 5000 series

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>>102780504
4TB wasn't in the budget, anon.

>anon thinks he is a master baiter

>>102780485
>I have been overclocking computer hardware since the days of using crystal oscillators.
You mean you've been digging through OC forums/BBS and punching in someone else's memory voltage timings. Your opinion is invalid.
Aren't you the kid who doesn't even know how exactly their budget MSI board is limiting the memory tuning?

>>102780540
So you built a suboptimal system.
I accept your concession.

>>102780244
Unless you find some diamond in the rough deal, I'd just wait. The 5000 series is about to drop, so even if it's shit it'll still drop the prices of anything 4000/AMD cards.

>>102780541
No that wouldn’t be me since I use EVGA boards exclusively. I will likely move on once my Z790 Dark is totally obsolete.

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>>102780556
kek'd most of it was free

>make a living doing this stuff at the high end
>never chase the /consoomer/ fads
>this one is my fucking around and finding out rig
>will still be running after you trash your /consoomer/ PC

>>102780614
>EVGA boards exclusively
Oh, you're one of THOSE animals.
>once my Z790 Dark is totally obsolete.
It was obsolete about a year ago? How's that 14th gen compatibility BIOS?
So much for SneedVGA world class support right?

>>102780626
So you built a suboptimal system.

>>102780626
>never chase the /consoomer/ fads
>PNY 4070 Super
Kek'd

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>>102780663
the 'ole Quadro M4000 just wasn't cutting it any more so I grabbed something off the shelf.

>now my waifu2x workflows are much RTX

>>102780713
>never chase the /consoomer/ fads
>builds a data hoarding rig
What do you think multimedia data is? Just because you're a freeloader doesn't exempt you from being a multimedia data-hoarding consoooooooooomuuuuuuur
you even built a separate rig for your consoooooooooomption habeeeets.
lmao. even.

Slightly OT: Do you keep old hardware parts? I have a couple of Sandy Bridge and Haswell motherboards, complete with CPU, RAM and coolers. Do you think these will ever be "retro" like old Pentiums are now or should I just sell them off/donate? The only use-case I see is building a XP/7 machine in the future but for what reason?

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>>102780733
actually I built it to do some systems engineering work to validate a spec but then it was laying around soooo....

>in the beginning there was the command line but anon couldn't fap to that

>>102780806
People keep those systems as their Windows 7 retro builds.
Staples has an electronics recycling program so I've left it there.
Selling is not worth my time.

>>102780823
So it's a suboptimal, /consooooooomer/ hardware now.

>>102780806
i collect old small form factor boxes, like NUC sized or 1 liter systems and keep a couple of them around for when a VM won't cut it

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>>102780871
anon is so cucked by the superiority of the /workstation/ that he can only mewl plaintively into the void

>>102780936
>Irrelevant dual processor board with "128GB SHITTY MISMATCHED ECC RAM"
>'never chase the /consoomer/ fads'
>PNY 4070 Super
>/workstation/
Wouldn't be surprised if the reference-grade 4070 Super card's the most valuable component of that thing.

now that nvidia has releaved their new gpus, how long do you think will take amd before they unveil their rx 8800xt?

>>102780992
It's all about that 7650 anon
>>102780806
Having a spare PSU/gpu is useful for testing
Mobo/CPU/ram can be useful for testing but not as frequently due to socket differences/ram difference

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>>102780974
anon keeps showing lack of knowledge

>pssst... it's the RAM, stoopid

2/5 case fans came DOA wtf.

also cut my left middle finger right on the tip somehow while building and now it really hurts. No idea what I did it just started bleeding.

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>>102781043
Um... Anon... y-you are a white man, aren't you?

>>102781047
They're Arctic P14s, so yes

>>102781011
>7650
>performance between RX 7600 XT and RX 7700 XT
i don't get who does this appeal to when it's not even near the 7800 XT?

>>102781036
/consoooomer/ confirmed, "stoopid".

>first gookbench results for 285k with 8000MT/s memory are starting to show up
>doesn't scale at all
>intel put in a state of the art IMC in the architecture that's bottlenecked by intertile interconnect
lol
lmao

>>102781104
>'We need to wait for benchmarks with 9600MT/s tuned memory'

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How sturdy and well-built are RTX 4080 cards?
I know there were huge QA issue with the early cards due to connector issues and whatnot. And the only solid option that had decent QC was the FE edition. Coil whine, shit connectors, fuckign drying thermal paste really don't give me any confidence in these products.

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>>102781087
mental resources exhausted, all anon can do is resort to name calling now

>i have to go do some laundry
>maybe molest waifu and make afternoon tea
>toodles

>>102781047
Thumbnail looks like a penis so you're a fucking faggot
>>102781086
Should appeal to everyone who's buying and GPUs because the budget space is where and excels

how much longer must i wait for the new nvidia card and amd cpu

fuck whatever you all think

i cloned by mbr based os to a nvme, so still mbr

and now im wondering why im not on windows 11

>my cat also bit my gpu power cable

bad start of the day

>>102781047
based. I've only used Noctuas for the past 5 years or so and they've never let me down. Other fans simply can't compare.
>b-b-but noctua has jewish pricing!
yeah, since you only buy them once.

>>102781125
4080 cards were fortunate to use the 4090's cooler, some manufacturers released slimmer coolers as a cost-saving measure.
Founders Edition 4080's overclocking performance is still thermally limited btw, it needs to be water-cooled to sustain GPU clocks above 2.9GHz.

>>102781137
>Claims to be above /consooomers/
>/consooms/ ECC ram to build "fucking around and finding out rig" with a GAYMEN RTX card ("never chase the /consoomer/ fads")
>Posts reaction image files like the good media /consooomer/ he is
The complete lack of self-awareness in this animal...

>>102781137
consider yourself defeated, you little bitch ass faggot

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>>102781166
Noctua has Austrian pricing. I can think of nothing less jewish, mein liebling.

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>>102777573
>2x16GB 3200CL16
whats the cheapest 2x16GB 3200CL16? i only found CL30 by teamgroup / chink brand

>>102781209
probably going to be used, friend. Memory manufacturers stopped producing DDR4 back in 2022. All the best die stock sold is in consumer hands now. What is left with retailers is the garbage nobody wanted to buy when DDR4 was still relevant.

>>102781208
>Noctua has Austrian pricing
WDYM? German prices are sometimes even more retarded.

>>102780614
>my Z790 Dark (2-DIMM board)
>'And your opinion is invalid'
Your own board's memory slot layout proves me right, kid.
Start acting like an adult if you want to be respected as one.

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Is there a benefit to getting 64GB's of RAM?
I've been /comfy/ with my 32gb for years but I sometimes get to 30-31gb usage with hundreds of tabs open and vidya games kinda bring it to its limit.

Tiles and chiplets were a mistake
Monolithic dies need to rise up and reclaim their throne

>>102781248
Stop using Chrome and close your tabs
I know you don't need more than like 10 of them and you know you don't need them either
Fucking use bookmarks

>>102781230
this is my first build of amd
ill be using 5800x3d with rtx 4070 s
been using intel skylake

>>102781248
>Is there a benefit to more RAM if I don't have enough RAM
??

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>>102781185
kek'd

>made no claims
>know more than anon about memory channelz and muh performants and syxtem optim-i-zation y'all
>successfully baited anon into revealing his lack of expertise and general low intelligence as well as the low polygon count in their inner matrice of morality
>helped multiple people solve IT related problems
>a great day overall
>minus being low on laundry detergent that is

>>102781248
I did just so I can turn off swap completely

>>102778912
>the new monster hunter game
If it uses the same engine as dragon’s dogma 2 then you are screwed no matter what hardware you buy.
You might be able to tweak it into shape with dxvk edits though.

>>102781287
So you're just one /consooomer/ acting like you're above other /consooomers/.
>inner matrice of morality
kek'd.

>>102781277
You're fucking yourself over
Just get 7600
If you have to build last gen, just save the money and get 5700x3d, it's basically the same cpu

>>102781343
i know, 5700x3d is hella cheap the problem is i live in brazil it takes2 months to reach here.
if i use am5 build it will be like 7500F+rtx 4060
also ddr5 ram is still overprice rn

>>102781276
>Stop using Chrome
but I use firefox
>and close your tabs
but I like finishing a tab of youtube slop that I started watching 3 weeks ago
>Fucking use bookmarks
I do and they're years old. Don't even remember saving them. Probably porn, tbqh.
>>102781289
>I can turn off swap completely
redpill me on this

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it's doa

>>102777573
>Overpriced Gaming: 7800X3D

>>102781406
9000x3%

>>102781406
can i just buy my 7000x3d slop now

>>102781406
Read the fine print though, the figures are based on a test sample.
>"Performance is expected to be better on PR samples and retail chips"

>>102781406
So basically if you can get 7800X3D at MSRP now, you might as well do it and not wait

Maybe the real performance gains were the friends we made along the way.

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>>102781166
>Other fans simply can't compare.
Who will tell him?

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>>102781406
>+2% in tomb raider
>+2% wukong
I heard amd fans said zen5 was redesigned for x3d or something and said itll have big gains. i guess they're full of shit

>>102781406
>intel and amd both agreed to sandbag this generation
saves me money. i was going to upgrade my cpu but i'll just get a 5090 instead

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>>102781467
>amd fans
They never learn.

>>102781398
> redpill me on this
Not much to say, I just want no swap and with 32gb sometimes it gets used.

>>102781406
phew, and I was starting feel bad for buying my friends 7800X3D

>amd sandbagging this gen with cpus
what if they do the same with cards

I forgot why I would even want to upgrade my 1060 3gb card when I've played all the new games at 720p and I mostly play 2d games.

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>>102781406
I'm a retard that doesn't know what this means. Should I still wait for the 9000x3d?

>>102781510
The GPU """market""" is even more scripted, the Fujian-crime-syndicate-in-exile controls it all.

>>102781510
They've already announced they're doing that but not having anything high end
Expect between 7900GRE and 7900XT at best

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>>102781524
not that you have a choice since 7800x3d is 600$ right now

>>102781480
>intel and amd both agreed to sandbag this generation
Chip designers generally have to drip-feed performance improvements because the cost-per-transistor gains have been decreasing over the years.

>>102781241
It doesn’t prove you right since you are merely repeating things you learned from people like me who are right. I HELPED DESIGN it. What have you done besides consume?

>>102781543
I was gonna bite the bullet and buy it open box for 300

>>102781547
>since you are merely repeating things you learned from people like me who are right. I HELPED DESIGN it.
Yikes.

>>102781565
The way you talk to men who are better than you betrays that you grew up in a fatherless home.

do you think amd made the 7800x3d too good by accident

>>102781586
You're still acting like a kid btw. No one belives your baseless contributions. kid.

>>102780056
>Just buy a 2x32GB 6000MT/s kit, or 2x 24GB
But aren't all of those 2R? Effectively meaning the one click EXPO will also not be guaranteed.
I thought using 2x 2R dimms is similar to 4x 1R dimms.

>lost generation of CPUs
grim

Which gpu manufacturer should I go with if all I realistically play is stuff from 2015 and earlier?

>>102780059
>convince me I need to upgrade
Most probably, if you're asking, you don't.
In 90% of the cases, you don't need to upgrade.

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how often should you repaste your cpu and gpu

>>102781598
2x 24GB is single rank, it uses higher density 24Gbit chips.
2x 32GB is dual rank, but it should run @ 6000MT/s.

>>102780095
Can you elaborate on that?

>>102781394
Did your government shut down AliExpress already? Shouldn't take that long for Ali to get there, no?

>>102781627
never with ptm7950

>>102780146
Why wouldn't a X870 motherboard let you use fun AM5 chips?

>>102781406
same size cache same performance

>>102781618
preconception that nvidia works better with old ass dx9/opengl but this may have changed

>>102781627
When your video card or CPU coolers start to run louder than before.

>>102781670
OpenGL is better on Nvidia but DX9 shit is broken on all modern setups hence the need for DXVK.

>>102781678
>>102781678
that could also be the fans failing tho

>>102781465
>BZZZZZZZZZZ
these fuckers have a whine at lower RPM. good fans if you don't have sensitive hearing, though

>>102781645
>never with ptm7950
come again? does it not degrade after 4-5 years like regular paste does?

>>102781704
>good fans if you don't have sensitive hearing, though
You mean if you aren’t an autist. I’ve bean dealing with computers since the late 80s and I have never heard complaints about the noises they have always made until autism became common.

>>102781714
It's industrial grade shit meant to put into places that cost twenty million dollars for an hour of downtime, no it doesn't degrade

>>102781723
you have hearing loss, grandpa

>>102781723
>Buy my product or you are mentally ill

>>102781723
>b-b-b-ack in my daaaay
sit down, grandpa. your opinion is already outdated
Cheaper fans are not as well-built as Noctuas and you can definitely hear the acoustic difference between them. Performance is very similar. You pay a little extra for the good warranty and better quality control.

>>102781699
Most competently built case fans have over a thousand hours of MTBF.
A fan running higher RPMs isn't very likely to mean the fans are failing.
If you hear other noises besides the noise caused by higher RPMs, then the fans might be failing from impeller deformation, etc.

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here's you efficient, cool CPU bro

Thoughts on the LG 27GN800-B? It seems fairly cheap for a 144hz 1440p monitor.

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i was too slow bros

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Can you run current gayms maxed out on 1440p with a RTX 4070 12GB?

>>102781815
It's usually about average for a basic fast IPS monitor.

I am ready for 5090

>>102781832
No, most "ultra/epic" and many high settings are wasteful anyway.

>>102781803
Missing context, what is it running? SmallFFTs? Then it's great.

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Why can't they just release the X870e boards and 9000X3D already so I can atleast have a usable PC while I wait for the two faggots two release their GPUs.

>>102781906
You might want to wait 1~2 additional months for more stable AGESA/BIOS versions to release.

>>102781906
What's the advantage of the x870e vs the x670e? I didn't think they put in more pcie lanes or anything like that.

>>102781906
Advanced Marketing Department (AMD) need to find a way to spin 9000x3d into something that wont led to AMDisaster

>>102781928
bigger number

>>102781803
250W equals instant 99 C on my 12900K (8P only), so Arrow Lake spacing out the P cores on die helps

>>102781928
USB 4.0 is a standard feature for X870E.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am5.html#chipsets

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>>102781919
Anon I'm without a PC since late July or something. I need a PC already.
>>102781928
Not much difference besides the inclusion of usb 4 and WiFi 7. It's just silly to buy a older board at the same price, that's all.

>>102781953
Sounds like just the 12th gen is bad then, my 10900k only gets to 85C when stress testing it.

I'm upgrading right now and for the CPU I have the choice between a Ryzen 7 7700x or Ryzen 5 9600x, both of which are the same price. I play videogames in 4k a decent amount but more often just general multitasking and using Photoshop/Lightroom, so I've been told the extra cores of the 7700x would be the better option.
But, I've noticed the TDP of the 7700x is much higher (105w compared with the 9600x's 65w). I don't really want to spend any extra money on a beefy new cooler if I can avoid it (I currently have a Cooler Master Hyper 212).
So if anyone has a similar system I'd like to know if a 7700x is likely to throttle with a Hyper 212, and if so whether that would negate any potential performance benefit it would have over a 9600x.

>>102781953
The IHS is allegedly unusually thin on Arrow Lake so that probably helps too.

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>>102781326
acting

>just having fun with technology in /pcbg/, anon
>enjoy defending your /consoomer/ grade component choices

context of Keion technology?

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>>102781995
Anon, a nice cooler is like 30 dollars. It's really not that much. But if you have the dual fan version, it'll be fine as long as your case fans aren't shit.

>>102782039
Is the Hyper 212 not nice? I thought it was kind of the standard in terms of budget but decent coolers

>>102782020
>'my way of /consoooooming/ is better than yours'
>buys 128GB worth of mismatched-ECC DDR4 ram
>t. PNY Verto 4070 Super owner
Slopping.

>>102782039
I have a good dual fan cooler and good case fans and it doesn't keep my 7950x cool enough, plus it gets super loud maxing out the fans. So that's not always true.

should I get a 4070 or roll the dice with a 7800 xt? the 7800 is cheaper where I live but I'm wary of lack of dlss and driver issues

Do you need an SSD with dram for your boot drive or does it not matter?

>>102782100
4070, it's more future proof. They're going all out on the AI graphical features so it'll probably last longer.

>>102782066
no bot I bot the 4070 u botted it wrong

>>102782059
It was nice 11 years ago before we had housefire CPUs pushing half a kilowatt of heat into the cooler.

>>102782100
Driver issues are very rare these days, just make sure you properly uninstall any old drivers.
You can still use DLSS on a Radeon card https://www.nexusmods.com/site/mods/757

>>102782146
If it can handle 105w without turning into a jet engine that's fine by me

>>102781919
This is why you just buy B650 that's already had bugs ironed out and only needs the BIOS update to add 9800X3D to the list of supported CPUs if it wasn't already added with the first Zen 5 CPUs

>>102782100
You sound like a dumb influencable shit

>>102782100
If you want to use AI resolution or AI frames, just go nvidia

>>102782036
To have fun with fun things

>>102782179
we depleted the fun deposits sometime in the mid-2010s
it's over

>>102781635
>2x 32GB is dual rank, but it should run @ 6000MT/s
So it's 4 ranks in total.
Then I don't see why 4x single-rank could not run @ 6000MT/s

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>>102782068
Anon.. He's talking about the 7700x, not the 7950x. That's about 70 extra watts on default.

>>102782300
It's that much lower? Wow. No wonder people like the air coolers. I can't stand how loud mine is all the time.

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>>102782316
Your cpu is the most power hungry of the entire lineup. That's just the price for the performance you get. You can make do with a very good 6 pipe 2 fan air cooler but I'd probably invest in a good 360 aio atleast.

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>>102782066
By the time the RTX is obsolete the rest of the system will be ready for retirement

>how is keeping a free 36 core 128GB system /consooming/ anon?
>the old GPU was losing it's shit
>the crapcan is 28 kilograms of industrial grade stuff
>bought whatever would last as long as the rest of the crapcan
>meanwhile anon has some shitty painted steel glowie case
>disposable glowie fans that cannot be recycled
>please, do explain, how my /consoomption/ is making your private parts tingle with rage, anon
>it's just an old shitbox after all

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>>102782279
But why would you want to do this when there are literally 0 consumer-grade DDR5 boards designed to optimize 4-DIMM performance?
Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

>>102782364
>it's just an old shitbox after all
>spending well over the value of a PNY 4070 Super reference card on mismatched ECC ram on an old shitbox.
That's called /consoooooming/ no matter how hard you try to spin it.

>>102781759
there are 3 factories in China manufacturing all of the fans. It is all in your head.

>>102780059
you don't

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>>102782367
kek

>you have to step up to the /workstation/ class for real quad-channel, anons

Why SHOULDN'T I get a core ultra if I want to build sometime in the next 6 months, am upgrading from a 10 year old processor, and only use air coolers?

>>102780059
there is no need.
I have a 5800X3D and an RTX 3060ti and everything runs fine in 1440p. No, i do not turn on the FPS counter and try to measure my ePenis. My actual penis is substantial and I enjoy fucking teenagers from my condo in SEA.

>>102782438
>Can only afford mismatched ECC memory for his "old shitbox" workstation
>Not fully taking advantage of "real quad-channels" anyway.
kek

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>No decent LGA 1851 mATX boards
Why does it all have to be so tiresome.

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barrow lake 245k might at least be decent value

>>102779690
Yeah and Germany is the cheapest country in the EU for computer parts, just think of the rest of us having to order from your stores and feeding the german economy.

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>>102782519
sneedmont is the only part of ARL that looks good, it's obvious all the effort went towards the dense arch Xeons and goysumers are getting scraps from the table as usual

>>102782519
Whats even the point of single core perfomance these days?

>>102782362
I have a 7 pipe 2 fan one now, and it seems to throttle because the clock speed drops steadily when running all cores as it goes on. Plus like I said it's loud.

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>>102782379
the RAM was part of the free but you missed that

>too much /gayming/ can mess with your ability to multithread, coreanon
>so many threads
>everything in the GUI is working
>the corelets don't know

>>102782547
>take away HyperThreading
>make an easy slam dunk into just +2% over previous gen in MT
What an asinine decision

>no Lion Cove Xeon variant
>straight to Panther Cove X
I guess Intel really said fuck validating HT on Lion Cove

>>102782588
You will know what the point is when Oracle charges you a licensing fee for every core of your 128-core Xeon.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdDsJiLj9Qk
god frog niggers are everywhere

>>102782615
>asinine
yep

>better to have it and be able to turn it off if the usecase calls for it than not to have it where the usecase calls for it

>>102782621
Why is there an antisemitic hate symbol in an Intel Aviv stream?

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>>102782639
its a dog whistle

>>102782588
>what is the point of the only performance metric that matters

>>102782614
>4TB wasn't in the budget, anon.

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>order a bunch of parts for a substantial upgrade
>will need to shuffle and move parts from multiple cases
>tell myself that's ok because I enjoy tinkering
>day later consider buying a bunch MORE parts in order to make things "easier"

>>102782621
Hershberger kinda cute

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>>102782639

ITZZZ DAAA JOOOOOOOOS

>>102777573
I'm on a 29 inch Ultra wide monitor

Should I drop back down to a 24 inch or even a 21 inch? I want more cosy vibes

>>102783045
Well do you like what you have? If not, yes

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>>102783007
kek free recycled compooter triggers anons need to justify /consoomer/ism

>what is it with you anyway? you one of those internet weirdos we read about all the time or something?
>not that i care, i'm /comfy/

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>>102782841
At Intel, it literally is.

>>102782367
>optimize 4-DIMM performance
When you say this, aren't you talking about the overclocking potential?
Isn't that the same as using 4 ranks? Do you have anything to back your claims that using 4 DIMMs will be intrinsically slower even at the same Mhz?

I'm not using anything fancy anyway. Just single-rank 6000 MT/s DIMMs. I'm just gonna turn on EXPO and call it a day. No crazy overclocks.

>>102783156
The board traces are literally laid out to get more speed out of 2DIMM configurations.
It’s physics.

>>102782367
>But why would you want to do this
Because it is pretty typical to need X amount of RAM now, and need more RAM a few years later. What's so strange about that? I've been doing that for my whole life since the Pentium 2.

What happens if I buy a 2.5" ssd by lexar or teamgroup instead of samsung? (other than saving $100).

Lian Li A3 vs Cooler Master N200

>>102783211
Because there are cases where you’re only left with running the new memory configuration at the base JEDEC speeds and timings (4x 2R modules).

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>>102783156
>overclocking potential
mem OC can be limited with quad-channel, maybe the BIOS forces a slower RAM speed to keep the memory controller from getting assraped from running at full tilt on all channels

>using quad channel or not should all depend on the use case
>for sure it will max out your memory controller
>profit?

>>102783182
Ok, show me benchmarks of the performance degradation when using 2x single-rank VS 4x single-rank.
Don't bother with double-rank, as I won't use them.

>>102783241
>4x 2R modules
As I mentioned before, I'm using exclusively 1R modules.

>>102783246
>can be limited with quad-channel
I'm using a motherboard with double-channel, not quad-channel.

>>102783248
4-DIMM daisy chained memory traces are usually designed to reach A2 and B2 slots first, then it goes through A1 and B1 if the slots are fully populated.
There’s additional latency compared to strictly using A2/B2 slots.

>>102783276
I understand the electrical part.
But now I want to see the benchmarks showing the latency degradation.
What do I care about the traces if they're designed to still work fine with 4 dimms?

>>102783263
then you don't have to worry about the quad-channel stuff.

>>102783298
No one was talking about quad-channel, what the fuck?