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>>102851085
hey that matches my shower curtain!

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>>102851085
>MB vendors: 12VO is too expensive, think of the additional power regulators
>also MB vendors:

>>102849595
kek! that hurts the ears no freaking way i'd want that in my room or even in the garage. get the feeling i'll still hear it somehow. i'd rather just have the pc in a completely separate room thats kept refrigerated to <0 degrees farenheit with insulated wires leading out and back to my room that connect to the peripheral devices.

ugh i have to replace the cpu in my pc, what a hassle it is doing this stuff. has to be done but it's such a slow process since i'm paranoid
>turn off pc
>leave it there for a while
>push and hold the power button for a while to make sure i clear as much electricity as possible
>remove panel from the PC case
>un-attach the cpu cooler, probably have to remove the attached fans as well or just disconnect them (which is probably more annoying to reconnect)
>make sure i have a bunch of towels and cardboard around to prevent thermal paste from getting on the carpet
>remove paste from both cooler and cpu
>wait excessively just to make sure it's truly dry
>place new cpu in slot
>put thermal paste on cpu
>reattach cpu cooler
>reattach fans as needed
what a slow, annoying, and delicate process

>>102851085
>that pc
what's with these people who make pc's like they're a fashion statement? i blame them for all the disgusting options in design nowadays. just give me a plain black PC! no windows, no rgb lights, no open top fan, no top mounted PSU!!!!!

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>>102851085
>>102851139
>>102851293
OMG i want one like that now to match my shower curtain.

>the fuck is wrong with me

>>102851277
You might want to warm up the CPU a bit by running Cinebench for 10 minutes or so to soften up the paste.
Detaching the CPU cooler's heatsink from the IHS can be easier with this step.
If the CPU doesn't have pins, twist the heatsink a bit before you attempt to pull it out.

>>102851277
>>make sure i have a bunch of towels and cardboard around to prevent thermal paste from getting on the carpet
what?
my thermal paste turns into set cement

>>102851618
not that anon, but my paste is always soft-ish and sticks to everything it touches after use

I added another fan to my PC and later opened it up again to check something. In the process I must have flipped the fan's RGB header around and now only green works.

wtf.

>>102851390
it's a regular cpu with pins. have to be careful so that i dont get my refund denied by intel telling me some bogus claim.

>>102851618
i made the mistake once of putting a cpu cooler down on the carpet. cpu came with its own cooler but i forgot the paste comes preapplied. it didn't seem to leave anything but it made me super paranoid and i cleaned that area hard, still paranoid and would not set my face down on that area of carpet nor any valuables. this was a few years ago as well.

>restart my pc
>it for some reason takes extremely long to fucking boot
>monitors dont want to turn on
>wtf
>plug it off from power
>the same instant i get a realization it was probably memory training
>verify it by checking on motherboard it that it doesnt past dram
>reset bios (it was turning itself off)
>everything werks now but i have to setup my bios again
bros i hate technology so fukcing much
i fucking technology so fucking much bros i almost cried because i thought my pc broke

btw, those who missed out on the 7800X3D do not fret because AMD will be releasing the 9800X3D at $450 and the 7700X3D at $380

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I now have to wait a little longer for lian li to release their wireless fans to compliment the new compact case just bought. I fee like after all that i'll be done buying parts for a few more years

What is the best/safest way to sell my 4090 after buying the 5090?

>>102852253
If you're in America, idk. If you live in Europe just list it on Facebook or something

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can i get some recommendations for the mobo?
use case is gaming and i'd also like for it to have wifi and bluetooth and decent/good audio.

>>102852253
ebay

>>102852191
That's why you save your bios settings into a profile once your done setting it up

>>102852288
for wifi get a dedicated Wifi card.

>>102852513
got any recs for that then?

>>102852288
ive got the livemixer one and its nice

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>>102852288
Since you're spending big bucks, get a msi mag x670e. They have the nicest bios. Or just wait till x870e, 9800x3d and 5080 to drop like a sensible person.

>>102852191
Exhibit #98636287 for why AMD NEEDS to include some kind of on-screen message/progress bar for when it's doing RAM training and that reboots are normal part of the process. These protracted periods of black screens/boot cycling with no visual feedback gaslighting end-users into thinking their systems are bricked is unnecessary and frankly inexcusable by now.

>>102852504
>That's why you save your bios settings into a profile once your done setting it up
I'll tell more new users to do this from now on.

>>102852221
>7700X3D at $380
Doubt. It'd cannibalize sales from the 9800X3D unless the 9800X3D has some secret sauce performance improvement that the non-X3D Zen 5 CPUs don't have

>>102852368
they are making 4000 fakes these days, his location will help him

>>102852815
not a new issue nor specific to g/A/y/MD/

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WAITGODS WON

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>>102852504
indeed, even better if you can do it from within Windows

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>notice system is running great but internal temps are creeping up at idle because the fans run so little
>fix that with german autism software

>>102852950
No that's dumb
What's in the bios stays in the bios

>>102852815
>Exhibit #98636287 for why AMD NEEDS to include some kind of on-screen message/progress bar for when it's doing RAM training
and how are you supposed to do that with no RAM?

>>102852907
There might be an insignificant price increase though

>>102853150
he said MLIDs "leaked" numbers were totally fictional

>>102852191
>memory training
what is this anyways? i've heard of it before but how do i avoid it do this weird shit, like come on, i just want to plug and play but then you redditards who go
>like bro just open up le bios and spends hundreds of hours undervolting it and overlocking it etc etc etc
>+1 fps
KEK! Look I just buy the overclocked CPUs for the higher speed and stuff, I'm not wasting my time overclocking/undervolting this stuff for hundreds of hours just to find the "sweet spot" only for it get reverted by a windows update or something. These same losers go from hating intel to slurping it right back up because
>le 13th/14th gen issue is officially fixed, stop spreading disinfo!!!
the same losers who treated it like nothing because intel denied such issues, they really are an annoying batch of consoomers. got carried away kek. i wish tech was simple none of this stuff where i have to do lots of research just to make sure the pc parts i'm buying will work together or finding out this part may be a problem (not the os or isp causing it) and i have to buy something else or a workaround etc etc etc. JUST MAKE A FUNCTIONING PRODUCT!!!!!

>>102853179
>MLID
>totally fictional
No, it can't be. I'm shocked, who could have predicted this!?

>>102853286
I still laugh at his zen 5 performance predictions

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>>102853098
>dumb
are you actually old enough to post here?

>the convenience of being able to change BIOS settings from within Windows is sublime
>don't all your motherboard manufacturers provide this?
>kek

>>102852907
I should've waited 1.5-2 more years before buying a new PC. What a mistake I made.
>intel: screwed up with 13th/14th gen
>intel: garbage gains for 14th gen
>motherboard manufacturers: ethernet selection was questionable along with one having faulty design that would drop internet intermittently
>motherboard manufacturers: better not have an ssd and gpu that both use PCIe 5.0
>nvidia: meh tier gains from last gen while demanding a high price, could've just waited some more
>amd: idk didn't research them much
>windows os: oh you want some data mining
>etc.
I'm so tired bro's, can these losers just make a quality product for once? The faultiness of the hardware seems significantly higher than what I recall in the past. And before any of you say linux, I said quality product, I'm not going through all that hassle just to use an OS. 2 years and I could've gotten a 15th gen intel CPU that has proven itself problem free unlike 13th/14th gen that I've completely discarded as an option regardless of what they say and a GPU that might actually have worthwhile gains like GPU's of the past apparently had.

>>102853331
Okay, I'll humor you as someone who used to work in software security for almost a decade.
Being able to change your BIOS setting in the OS is beyond stupid. Why? Because a malicious program can easily brick your computer by changing a simple value in your BIOS. It's possible to do it TEMPORARILY ie. Intel XTU, but it is very limited in what it can do. You are fucking retarded if you think people actually want this.

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how's this build

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>>102853368
whether they want it or not makes no difference in a corporate environ and thus, it exists. once you have it, you can tweak your stuff from windows all you want and never have to access the BIOS in a POST menu, ofc it requires elevation. the /lusr/ should not be a noob.

here in /pcbg/ i figured all the /tweakanons/ would demand this from their manufacturers (with glowie themes and shit).

Have you not seen this before, anon?

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>Yep.. its gaymin time

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hmDTbL

>>102853456
>here in /pcbg/ i figured all the /tweakanons/ would demand this from their manufacturers
NTA but absolutely not, if only because i don't consider any of those solutions reliable
you CAN tune almost everything on ryzen through ryzen master (and it saves in the BIOS), but you don't know if it's going to randomly reset after a reinstall or apply some made up dangerous voltage (because AMD and mobo software is written by pajeets)
booting into the BIOS takes 5 seconds

>>102853543
>spend $1200
>slower than the 9950X

>>102853333
>2 years and I could've gotten a 15th gen intel CPU that has proven itself problem free unlike 13th/14th gen
You're giving Intel way too much credit atm.
There are plenty of reasons Arrow Lake can have teething issues.
Maybe Metoer Lake laptop chip releases gave the engineers better exposure to the real issues.

If I tried to find a rock-bottom used 13/14th Gen CPU on Ebay and then immediately RMA'd it for a fresh undegraded chip to Intel do you think it'd go through?

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>>102853587
you wouldnt get it

>>102853333
15th gen uses a lot of bleeding edge tech (similar to 12th gen and that had scheduling problems) so I'd be surprised if it's problem free
It looks fine now only because it's not in the public's hands

>>102853641
possible.. but the price might be a was since new chips are ~ $450

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>>102853368
>a malicious program

kek'd at the "software security guy" worried that some /haxor/ will crap in his BIOS while the sysops scan his traffic for furry porn. the big boys have spent a lot of money on this and /consoomers/ don't know? i cannot fathom the great shithole that is 4chan not knowing. i say demand it from the vendors, they have already developed it for their professional boards so why can't they give you some of dat good shit and make it /glow/?

>meanwhile in the datacenter the all-seeing eye filters the porn sites out of your traffic into an Excel file for ... operator review at home ...

Im gonna do it:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6_euA0qnt3o

>>102853670
12th gen was problem free if you disabled the E-cores and used DDR4
so, the sensible choice, you even got AVX-512 if you were lucky

>>102853331
Yeah that's fucking retarded. Situations like Ryzen master overwriting bios settings and staying there until you physically remove the CPU or even reflash the bios to reset it comes to mind. Even without these issues, you won't be able to access a lot of useful hardware based features like fan speed, RGB, all voltage rails and Loadline settings.

>>102853694
Nah it permanently fucked up your windows install with stuttering if you had e-cores enabled then. You'd have to do a full windows install to get p-only working properly

>>102853624
I said 2 years since maybe it'd give me time to see if there's any complaints I'd be inclined to believe it unlike redditors who discount it until the company admits it so.

>>102853670
Yeah it's why I'd wait at least a year. I don't trust them or amd for that matter though but I was likely going to need to buy something new sooner or later so I don't think I'd be able to stall out for too long if I was still in that situation.

>>102853694
How's 12th gen with Windows 11, DDR5, and enabled e-cores?

>>102853742
>DDR5
you won't be able to run it fast enough to outperform DDR4
XMP above 5600-6000 simply won't work
13th gen has an upgraded memory controller
>enabled e-cores
it's much better now
i think 12th gen even got some thread director updates backported from 13th gen

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>>102853546
>going to randomly reset
i knew it! those bastards are shorting you because you are to them merely a /consoomer/, grist for their mill, the tosser in the three-way between you and their corporate tops. you should raise your own personal army of minions and storm their gates, demanding unified secure, stable, and above all, /glowie/ tools for your /overclocking/ pleasures.

>takes 5 seconds
not for long if the early complaints about DDR5 have any merit. also not for me, i'm on a workstation board

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/g/ents, how the fuck do I connect this front panel cord to my motherboard? Apparently this manufacturer combined all of the little front panel cords into this one cord. The issue is that the port on my mobo doesn't secure the cord when I can plug it in. On top of that, the cord has 4 wires going to it but 9 pinholes. Why?
Motherboard is a B650 Aorus Elite AX and the case is a Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower.
Any ideas or am I gonna have to buy some kind of adapter?

>>102853854
sure looks like it would plug in to the side of the connector closest tot he battery on the board

>but i'm not gonna RTFM for you, cordanon.

>>102853770
6000cl30 is enough to perform all reasonable ddr4 xmp

>>102853854
post pic what's on the other side of the wire

>>102853898
on AMD, yes, that's the universal recommendation for a reason
AMD and intel's DDR5 implementations are so different that they should never be directly compared
on intel you need 7000+ DDR5 to outperform a $50 3600C18 DDR4 kit

How bad would a 5800X bottleneck a 7900 XTX? Not sure if upgrading to a 5800X3D or 5950X may be worth it.

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>>102853883
>the manual
These moon runes do not help at all.

>>102853918
less than you think
but i'm sure you could find situations where it happens
>5950X
wouldn't do anything for games

>>102853770
Does this require some sort of bios update? Or is it as simple as Windows simply updating on its own?

If the difference between a 7600 and a 7600x is 40 usd is it actually worth the money?

>>102853940
Thanks, I'll put it on the backburner then and maybe just pick one up if I find a good sale in the winter.
From what I remember seeing a 5800X3D and 5950X are close to the same performance in most games, the X3D normally edging out a few frames. I think either would be a step up from the base 5800X, but like you said probably not as much as someone like me may initially think.

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>>102853911
The other end of the wire? It's the one on the far right here. Pic related is the back of the I/O panel.

>>102853921
According to the manual shouldn't the cord have 9 wires going to it instead of 4? Did I get a defective case?

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>>102853724
>retarded
having a shit bios on a shit /consoomer/ mainboard is no excuse for accepting shitty features that don't work and then posting like an impotent sperglord that "don werk on my /build/ mus be bad"

>like fan speed
absolute excrement. any goddamn thing the BIOS can do can be instrumented or made to be controllable with end user software, the vendors just don't give a shit about you /consoomers/

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>>102853943
all CPUs should have gotten the update with windows 11 22H2
>>102853962
>I think either would be a step up from the base 5800X
the 5800X outperforms the 5950X in gaming

>>102853918
X3D has massive performance boost in select few games with number crunching simulations.
Do you need your postendgame megabase in Factorio or 500+ year empire in Stellaris to run faster?
Look up benchmarks for your specific games and decide.
Though at current price 5800x3d is not worth it anyway compared to 5700x3d.

>>102853967
Oh. Thought some retard at the factroy might have put in backwards, loose end in case pcb, but no, shit's fucked.

>>102853921
you need to look at the motherboard manual now, cableanon, and see if one corner of the socket on the motherboard matches up to the I/O ports

>only then can you rise towards being all-knowing about this particular connection point

I think my 10 year old cooler master mouse is finally dying, does anyone want to shill me a replacement? Apparently I have large hands

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>>102853854
>>102853921
>>102853967

>>102854054
nope. find the detail diagram for the F_PANEL connector

>close but no cigar

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>>102854046
i fell you my last remaining old-school m705 has a hole in it from where my thumb rests on the side

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>>102854027
>>102854054
This is literally all the "manual" says about the front panel connectors.
It's been a while since I last built a PC but holy fuck have manufacturers really gotten lazy in the manual department.

>>102852823
It does, i don't think there is a penalty for thermal dissipation on the zen 5 x3d looking at the die shots.

>>102854054
>only two m.2 slots
whats it like being poor?

Is there actually a meaningful difference between gpu partner brands these days? Can I just get what's cheapest and call it a day?

>>102854149
DO NOT BUY ZOTAC

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>>102854146
ugh

>how gauche. why don't you post something contributory, say, a screenshot of your Passmark system drawing for us?

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>>102853854
> 4 wires going to it but 9 pinholes. Why?
Your shit only has power and reset. Just plug it in and see if it works. If so hot glue it in I guess.

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>>102854130
read the manual, not "manual"
the 41 page long book

>>102854164
kek

>not even with a rented dick

>>102854146
whats it like being blind?

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Upon closer inspection it appears my front panel cable has the wrong layout. Wires 6 and 8 are for the reset button and 5 and 7 are for the power button.
Meanwhile on the mobo these ports are reversed (pic related).
Do I have to buy some jumpers or can I manually switch the wires on this connector? Never ran into this issue before, weird shit.

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>>102854247
nigga just HAD to cut it off

>>102854268
3 is just a poor as 2 4 is the BARE MINIMUM 10 is ideal

>>102854306
>a screenshot of your Passmark system drawing for us

>>102854164
why not?

>>102854269
Looks like cable and motherboard layouts are mirrored so case manual pins 5-7 are motherboard manual pins 6-8 and vice versa. if the plugged up pin is the motherboard pin 10 then the buttons will work.

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>>102854269
The depinning begins.

>>102854330
>>102854256

>it's your money, anon

>>102854343
STOP
pin it back

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>>102854337
>>102854343

>yess whats the worst that could happen, cableanon

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>>102854316
i would but its retardedly outdated
have this instead

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>>102854354

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>>102851085
>that masculine energy to build a pink pc rn

>>102853946
Where in the world is that? And no, it's not. Just get the regular 7600 then. Are you sure it's not fake?

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>>102854362
hows the incel core doing?

>>102854379
mine is fine since its not a 13 or 14000 series but my next CPU will be an AMD 9800x3d i think intel seems less and less worth it all of the time

>>102854354
Looking at >>102854269 and >>102853921 my power wires seem to be in the correct spots but the reset wires need to be switched.
Am I seeing that right?
I feel retarded.

i just realized the reason most here fresh build instead of upgrading is cause they can just barely get the build together the first time and the idea of surgery scares the shit out of them

Anon + and - do not matter for the switches, only for leds.
Switches literally just short the circuit when pressed.

>>102854398
Just plug it in and see what happens.

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>>102854367

>>102851315

>quite manly and have hello kitty shower curtain
>whats your point?

>>102854398
>>102854412

>>102854132
>He needs more
Each slot can support a 16tb U2 drive

>>102854394
have fun with /consooming/ i guess?

>>102854367
same but I also want to take estrogen and shave my legs

>>102854429
>ask how set of chips that has glaring flaws is doing
>say im planning on buying the ones without the glaring flaws next time'
>hurr durr consooming

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>>102854414
Nothing.
I don't have the GPU and CPU installed but that shouldn't stop the PSU fan or the status light on the mobo from turning on.
What am I missing bros?

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>>102854415
guarantee everyone here would rather pick the girl option in a game

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>>102854454
not really, am being interrupted by stuff ATM

>actually meant go have fun

>>102854460
Move your ram sticks one slot over to the right. The left ones are gimped

>>102854460
I'm going to ask a question to make sure you're not retarded
Did you flip the switch to the On position on the PSU?

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>>102854460
???

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>>102854460
>Mfw

>>102854476
wut

>>102854481
Yes, switch is in the on position.
I did just get a flicker on the status light when I cycle the PSU switch but the power button on the front panel does nothing.

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>>102854467
not me.

>manly robot

>>102854486
What did you circle

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>>102854460

>>102854507
It looks like you put the cable in wrong, one pin to the right.

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>>102854460

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>>102854528
No, it's all the way to the left.

>>102854529
I am stumped.

hear me out now you're gonna listen to me like it or not
using slang in song lyrics should be illegal

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https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-develops-industrys-first-24gb-gddr7-dram-for-next-generation-ai-computing

NVIDIA WON

THANK YOU NVIDIA

>>102854460
>don't have the GPU and CPU installed

>>102854556
nope.

>>102854581
>>don't have the GPU and CPU installed
It should still turn on though... right?

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>24h2 is out now, time to clean install because system is a mess
>back up minor things
>get to format screen
>delete wrong partition because stupid, 2Tb of data "gone"
>download testdisk like usual
>it restored partition only with the data, 700GB worth of space unallocated and can't be merged
>spend 8h copying 2Tb of data back and worth from other old HDD
Be careful, never rush windows install, kids.

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>>102854579
NVIDIA mostly likely will use micron for rtx5000. they literally never used anything else except micron for at least the past 2 decade

>>102854610
time for an external USB SSD anon

>>102854591
remove Fpanel cables and short PWR pins with a key or something, one of my cases stopped powering up like that

>>102854624
If I could afford that I'd get a 20Tb NAS instead. It's expensive as hell for anything bigger than 1Tb

>>102854623
Are you fucking retarded? Nvidia only used Micron last generation because only Micron produced GDDR6X

Now all 3 memory manufacturers mass produce GDDR7, cards can use any memory from any manufacturer

>>102854639
>>102854591
oh, and if this doens't work, diconnect PSU entirely and do paperclip test

>>102854655
nah you're retarded micron has a fab close to tsmc in taiwan. its way easier for nvidia to just use micron

>>102854655
remember how shit smasung fabbed cards were? variance going to be insane next couple gens

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>>102854610
kek but nice save

>>102854671
that's not how packages made, TSMC only print the chips, inerposer posititoning and production is done on another continent, and soldering all over the world, it doens't matter where chips were made

>>102853403
it's shite mate

>>102854467
uh bro...

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GPU light turns on so it is getting power. I'm tired and tilted at this point. Gonna hit the hay and try again tomorrow.

>>102854639
Jumped the pins with a key to no avail.

>>102854692
for AIBs, i believe nvidia don't allow the use of another manufacturer's memory due to differences between memories

>>102854591
wrong

>>102854726
SOCs and memory is two different cargo containers, that's what I meant, it doesn't matter where what is made since soldering is done from malasya to china, where ever AIB factory is

>>102854579
>>102854623
micron for nvidia RTX. shitsung for AMD turDNA

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The memory chips are Samsung K4ZAF325BC-SC20, these are 20 Gbps-rated GDDR6 memory chips. These are the same chips as on the 8 GB version, the only difference is that the 16 GB models have eight memory chips, four on each side.

Imagine being a clueless ignorant retard when Nvidia uses all 3 memory manufacturers

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3050-6-gb/images/front.jpg

The GDDR6 memory chips are made by Hynix and carry the model number H56G42AS4DX014. They are specified to run at 2000 MHz (16 Gbps GDDR6 effective).

Imagine being a clueless ignorant retard when Nvidia uses all 3 memory manufacturers

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>>102854715
u dont pick the girl option?

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>>102851085
enough of this faggotry

>>102854894
We like cats here

>>102854371
Japan, at the current pricing it's roughly 38500 jpy. There are cheaper listings but they're grey imports with dubious warranty. 7600 regular can be had for 31500 or so.

>been wanting to build a new PC for Christmas but got the whole build planned out in February
>stopped paying attention to PC parts, forgot a lot of the details
>been looking for a 7800X3D at MSRP
>sold out everywhere, getting scalped like mad
>whatever
>JustWait™
>have a job site in a town over an hour away
>there's a Best Buy right across the street
>go there during lunch break
>no 7800X3D
>plenty of 7950X, 7950X3D, and 7700X all on the shelf
>didn't buy because I forgot why I wanted/needed the 7800X3D and didn't want to blunder out of ignorance

with all this said, what's the 7800X3D got that the others don't? Is it just good value per dollar or whatever? I get that the higher tier CPU you get the more you pay like starting at running PC, then up to gaming, then up to work station. So other than price, what's the difference? Power draw maybe? I don't really know a lot about how a CPU operates, I just know the 7800X3D has been the one to buy for a couple years now.

>>102855014
7800xd has a terrible price/perf in gaming and even worse price/perf in general task. It's being shilled so you can buy them from scalpers at a markup

>>102855048
but even before it was getting scalped people were touting it as the best CPU on the market for gaming, on here, YouTube, etc etc when I was actively looking at parts earlier this year. What changed? Other than Intel users getting fucked and swapping over, which I guess would create a supply/demand issue for a little while.

Would I be better off grabbing that 7950 or the 3D variant at MSRP on the shelf? Or would it be better to wait until the 9000 series drops and see what happens? I don't have the money to buy all the parts right now yet anyways so I'm not chomping at the bit, but I would hate to miss out on MSRP while it's right in front of me.

>>102855122
It is the best. But it's overpriced. You should definitely wait and see 9800x3d in 2 weeks.

>>102854968
you don't need a warranty for a CPU.

>>102855048
only when compared to the 7600/7700, its still the best gaming chip on the market (outperforming $600 cpus) but people need to calm down because its out of stock and not worth buying above MSRP especially when the 9800X3D is going to be out soon.

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>>102855014
7700X=7800X3D except in 170fps+ scenarios.
Here is what nobody ells you about actual CPU performance.
You want 1. decent IPC for laoding screens and pre load assets streaming 2. decent multicore for less stutter
I'm on 7700x since launch, I didn't ahve any issues with UE engine games everyone whines about. FPS is a shit metric for a CPU and it's really difficult to measure overall "true" gaming performance since it varies and depends on many factors.

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i5-12600k vs 8600G for normies with heavy office workload and some occasional photo and video editing

>i5-12600k
planned to go 12400, or 12500 for extra clocks, but nowadays 12600k is same priced just comes without heatsink so why not go for that extra clocks and extra e-cores
>8600G
same price, much MUCH more igpu performance and seems cpu performance is the same

I know the answer is - does not really matter both will work
but still which would you pick and why?

>>102855356
AMD because it's colder compared to 12600k.

5700x3D or 5950X for an AM4 upgrade? I've got a good VRM x470 board so I could even overclock.

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Post only the best PC cases

>>102855372
8600G no question

My gaming performance absolutely tanked recently and I'm not sure what caused it. I booted up CP2077 and ran the benchmark, I was getting 90fps average before, now I'm at like 13fps. Task manager says GPU useage is at 2%, should be at around 100%.

I used windows update and downloaded a couple of other pieces of software recently. Not sure how to go about remedying this other than a fresh install of windows, any ideas where to start? I already downloaded the latest GPU drivers.

>>102855638
If you're too retarded to diagnose it properly you can do an in-place wangblows upgrade. It's the same as reinstalling but you don't lose anything.

>>102855638
vram usage normal in these tests?

>>102853946
They're the same CPU
It's only worth paying for more cores or vcache, not the out of the box clockspeed unless you're already considering the highest end part like 14900k vs 14900ks

>>102855502
5700X3D

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>>102854894
>Hello Kitty PC
>enough >:(
Alright, maybe this is more your style

>>102855596
why

>>102855638
What kind of software did you download?

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>>102855839

>>102855372
>>102855854
I assume that anon means 8600G because AM5 has a lot longer of a future and also because the igpu is a lot stronger and it runs cooler.
the main benefit of the 12600K is that it can be cheaper simply because of DDR4 support.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-ceo-presents-panther-lake-cpu-sample-the-first-product-with-xe3-gpu-architecture

Intel is releasing next-gen Xe3 Celestial iGPU next year and will take the iGPU performance crown, Intel outinnovating inferior competitor

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-apus-rumored-to-use-rdna3-gpu-architecture-until-at-least-2027

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i got the AOC 25G3ZM monitor, it's generally very good, 240hz freesync, 3000+ to 1 contrast ratio, excellent panel uniformity, viewing angles of this "wide VA" are about as good as IPS considering IPS glow, pic related gamma is pretty much perfect with user color temperature set to 50-50-50 and the "gamma 3" setting (fuck the lagom gamma pic which seems to be broken and very limited anyway compared to pic related full spectrum ramp), ghosting is not an issue with the medium overdrive setting if you're not doing esports, the panel is wide gamut but you can set color temperature control to disabled in AMD adrenalin and it will emulate sRGB

but what the fuck, reviewers said nothing about low minimum brightness, the black levels are satisfactory for watching movies but not as good as the contrast ratio implied if you could scale down the brightness, if you view bright content it can be too bright in a dimly lit room (dark mode applications are ok), fuck everyone for still allowing these basic issues in 2024

>>102856088
>and will take the iGPU performance crown
not so fast, baka.
https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-strix-halo-zen5-apu-leak-shows-307mm%C2%B2-die-with-rdna3-5-graphics-compared-to-rtx-4070-80w

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i got the ergosolid/northbayou H100 monitor arm, it's so much nicer than a normal monitor stand, you can move it around a lot easily with the gas spring mechanism and you have essentially free use of the whole desk area below your monitor, and it's really sturdy

>>102856219
k

>>102856230
cope, it wasn't even expensive in my country plus i had a $10 promo voucher, in general it is amazing how much you can benefit your life with technology if you don't get brain rotted and stuck with your old shit forever, even a dell/NEC IPS monitor from 10-15 years ago is no good

>>102856255
>>102856219
I always recommend gas spring-based arms for their set-and-forget ergonomic customizability. Glad you like it.

So after the scary experience with the failed AIO, I sent it back to Arctic and it turns out the unit sat in a warehouse at the seller for 3 years before I bought it, and the gasket gunked up the loop and broke the pump.
They'll offer me a nearly full refund atleast. They also offered to send a brand new unit but I'll be air cooling for a while now for sure.

>>102856088
>rumors about a potential panther lake desktop debut
good, people are such faggots for talking about strix halo like it will strictly be for laptops like they couldn't make something similar for desktops a year or two down the line, desktop APUs would start to get more popular if they could just do another gen or two of advancements from 8000G series especially if they can run higher DDR5 speeds officially with next gen motherboards

>>102856219
I might consider getting something like this, if it weren't for the fact my 'desk' is not a desk but is actually a space invaders cocktail table(the arcade machine kind). why did I get an arcade machine only to use it as a desk? it was only $100 at a local garage sale and I didn't have much open room at home.
>in general it is amazing how much you can benefit your life with technology if you don't get brain rotted and stuck with your old shit forever, even a dell/NEC IPS monitor from 10-15 years ago is no good
I'll stick with my 1080p ips for as long as it stays working and there's no cheaper alternative. I'm used to the thing, anyway

>>102856316
i only paid 110 euros for the AOC 25G3ZM although it seems rare to find such deals

so basically, one of my issues with my NEC monitor was that it made an annoying PWM humming noise below 20% brightness, my AOC is silent but it's bright, so the chink fucks can claim having a flicker free design but it's arguably worse in that you don't even have the option of reducing the brightness further with PWM

>>102851085
i am forcer to used wifi
should i get a mobo with wifi or is a pcie card good enough
needs free drivers on linux

>>102856278
You're getting the refund and a new cooler?
>Sitting unused and gunked up
Yeah that happens. Aios that are used regularly are far more reliable than ones that haven't been used for a while

>>102856412
also i'd like to get another m2 disk and not sure if pcie is good for that

how do I not fall down the ram timing tuning tinkertranny rabbit hole?

>>102856427
Get x3d which doesn't give a rats ass about ram oberglocks

>>102856430
Aren't the new ones not out yet?

>>102856415
Oh, no, it was an option between the two, I asked for a refund (80% due to this being the second year of usage), I have a thermalright PA140 now and also bought some case fans into the place where the AIO was before, so I have no use for a new cooler right now. I'll take a break from aios for a while, I'll probably get a freezer 3 if I ever want another one.

>>102856443
9800x3d is supposedly releasing on 7 November

>>102856465
I'd ask if there would be sales on the 7800x3d because of that, but it's out of stock everywhere I look.

>>102856430
8 cores is not enough for me and the 16-core AMDs still have a freq CCD that does care about memory tuning.
Unless they unfuck the degraded clocks and put V-cache on both CCDs for the 9999X3D or whatever.

how do you guys find sales/deals? trying to buy a 4070super/4070ti

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>>102855839
>>102855875
This is nice.

>>102856490
blacked friday is coming soon

Is thermaltake stuff still garbage?

>just tune the memory
>just turn on PBO
>just use process lasso
>just install the newest Agesa
>just update windows
>just reinstall chipset drivers for the 11th time
>just use windows 10
>just disable SMT
>just use Linux
why don't you just use intel like a white person?

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>>102856576
Jews aren't white anon. Intel's products aren't for us.

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>>102851085
recently upgraded to 5800X3D and 32GB 3600 memory, I'm looking at cards now currently on 5700XT, should I go for 4070ti super 16GB or the 4080 ti super, my monitor is 3440*1440

>>102856471
This might be the generation for you if the 5.2ghz r24 (my 7800x3d does 4.6-4.7) and dual vcache leaks are accurate

>>102856278
>almost full refund and a replacement
arctic are amazing

>>102856693
I worded it a bit badly (esl moment), I clarified it here >>102856445 that it was an option between the two, I went with the refund. Still good though I think.

Will the Nvidia 50 series have some new tech not available for the 40 series? Really want to go for a GPU right now given how bad the announced specs are.

>>102856725
Leaks are not announcements. And yes, obviously it will. Their features are the main selling point. Don't be stupid and wait.

>>102856725
DisplayPort 2.1a UHBR20 80Gbps

If you buy Ada DisplayPort 1.4a you're retarded

>>102856445
oh yeah thats still great, yeah the Arctic IIs had a recall at the start of their life and I guess the vendor didn't send it back for the new gasket.

>>102856795
It might have been that, yeah. Strange because mine had the QC Passed sticker, and apparently that means that the gasket's been replaced already. I guess not being used for 3 years has degraded it even after replacing.

Is there not going to be a b850 chipset for amd? Is everyone just going to be using the x870? Or are people still buying the old ones?

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>>102856953
there is, its the replacement for the B650E
where AMD went dumb is the B840 which is the replacement for the A620

So I have these "HXT" , "VGD" and "ZXWY" cables on the small board behind my case that I have no idea where to put
Everything else has been connected already
I thinkt the HXT are supposed to be for some leds?

>>102856991
Oh I didn't see any or it listed on the wikipedia, is it coming out soon?

My monitor keeps switching from hdmi to analog and vice versa while not detecting my pc
I have connected it to a brand new 4060 that seems to be working fine

What are the downsides of AM5, Zen 4 and Zen 5

>>102857225
>AM5
DDR5 is more expensive than DDR4 but its actually not too bad considering the historical price of DDR4
>Zen 4
no downsides really, it has dropped in price since launch and the gaming performance is good.
>Zen 5
its more expensive than Zen 4 after two years of that being on the market and gaming performance only has a couple percent uplift.
right now the 9950X is the best multi threaded CPU available for consumers.

I have a 4070s and ryzen 7600x.
Should I go for 1440p monitor? Redpill me on 1440 please.
I play a variety of games, from triple AAA to competitive games.
Can I live fine with 1080p?

two questions
what is the actual performance difference between 6000CL30 and 6400CL32 assuming I can get both working on Zen 4?
is replacing my 1080/60 monitor with a 4k60 worth it?

>>102857315
get a 3440x1440 monitor and never look back, your future self will thank you

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>looking through the 9000 series
holy fuck this is such a depressing "improvement" compared to the much cheaper 7000 series. Like this 7700 (none x) vs 9700x is just insanely bad uplift for a massive price increase (at current market rates). What the fuck is amd smoking (also lmao 51 benchmarks)

>>102857335
they perform the same, and go for a 144hz monitor

>>102857351
>unironically using userbenchmark
i mean the rest of your post is correct but don't use that site

>>102857352
I've got a 1440p144 for gaming this is entirely secondary

>>102857358
what is your go to for rapid comparison?

>>102857367
>rapid comparison
reviews?

>>102857366
hm, what do you use it for? if it's just for a discord feed then 1080p, but if it's for movies and content, then 4k, at least that's what i would do

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>>102857222
prease am desperate

>>102857400
have you tried swapping the cable

>>102857384
my current problem is that I've often got 2/3 tabs open and some sort of video and discord. I'm thinking by going up to 4k I'll have enough resolution to be able to view it all at once

>>102857400
swap cable
swap port on gpu
use different type of port on gpu
install different gpu

>>102857405
Yes
>>102857412
I only have one hdmi port and my monitor doesn't have display ports
>a different gpu
If only it were that simple
I bought this one because the last one stopped working completely

>>102857367
I use Cpu-monkey for CPUs and the techpowerup GPU database for GPUs.

>>102857222
should have got a 7600

>>102857285
>only has a couple percent uplift
Isn't it a Windows problem and with Linux they perform like 20% better?

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>>102851315
One time I thought it would be funny to find a pink Hello Kitty themed netbook if one existed and load it up with hacker tools (read: install Backtrack.) Actually saw a machine on Craigslist with a pink & black tartan cover that would've fit the bill (just slap a HK sticker on it.) But it was the broke student days, so I didn't.

Still kind of want to do it.

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>>102857458
yes and no, the huge uplifts in Linux are because their scheduler is better for the multi threaded applications that can take advantage of it but the gaming uplift isn't much better than windows.
AMD did a huge redesign for Zen 5 that widened everything but the infinity fabric is the same as Zen 4, which means it has the same bottleneck that Zen 4 had for gaming. So the thinking is that X3D is going to be impressive.

>>102857427
>I bought this one because the last one stopped working completely
did it have similar behaviour?
Cause now there's chances the GPU was actually fine and it was a mobo/monitor/psu issue

>>102857342
Why though

>>102857531
ultrawide works better with how our eyes are laid out and the upped pixel density looks much better. it's just so...nice

>7800x3d significantly increased in price/out of stock
>Cheap b650 boards increased in price or discontinued(Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2)
>GPU's barely moved in price, 4070 memory got downgraded without price decrease
waitfagging has actually made things more expensive

>>102857560
AMD just dropped prices on GPUs

>>102857560
>Cheap b650 boards increased in price or discontinued(Asrock b650m-hdv/m.2)
yfw there's currently a price war on this board in my cunt and I'm waiting for it to drop another 10%

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>>102857566
>AMD

>>102857580
>poor enough to complaing about the price of a 4070 but laughs at AMD

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what the fuck happened with the 9700x how is it barely beating the 7700 (NONE X) AFTER the performance patch.

>>102857585
gayymd gpu's suck tho no matter the price

>>102857608
ok poorfag

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>>102857560
>>102857580
>complains about gpu prices
>wants to buy overpriced GPUs

>>102857560
>4070
>2024: 12GB
KEK

>>102857594
What ever happened to the 'zen 5 efficiency' shill campaign?

>>102857506
It did and sometimes it fixed itself, but the fans also stopped working and the lights went out so the card was dead at the end

>>102857637
their shill center in pajeetland go reassigned to something else gay. probably shilling israel.

>>102857652
Sorry anon but it's time to try different monitor/PSU/mobo
Try a different slot in mobo first even if it's not ideal speeds for GPU just to test

>Adamantine was cancelled
for fucks sake Intel

>>102857367
Geekbench (useful since you can usually find different memory configs in the results), Passmark, reviews for usecase specific stuff, any opinion posted to youtube is automatically discarded.
Also Userbenchmark is run by totally deranged shills and even Intel groupies ban them from their spaces.

I upgraded from a mobo that only supports PCIe3 and kept my RX 6600 so I guess it's PCIe4 now. I get better scores in benchmarks but lower framerate, about 105fps vs 120fps doing superposition in medium settings. I noticed there's no screen tearing now, maybe that has to do with it?

The 7900xt seems like a good value now

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Day 560 of waiting for next-gen GPUs.

>>102857351
Zen 5 has amazing IPC uplift when paired with upgraded I/O die and proper memory subsystem on Epycs. AMD just doesn't give a shit about goysumer market ever since tapping into that datacenter gold mine, all the effort goes into ousting intel from the server marketshare and getting the most out of the AI boom feeding frenzy.

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>>102857979
Yeah pretty good value

>>102858013
Oh and Intel is doing the same thing for the opposite reason, they're in panic mode and triaging away every non-essential department.
Which is why Barrow Lake is such a nothingburger, and the only exciting part of it is Skymont, which is Intel's desperate bid to catch up to Epyc with Clearwater Forest in the hyperscaler market and retake the lost market share.

>>102858013
so basically, wait for the 10000 series where they apply an improved I/O die to the 9000 series and call it an entirely new cpu series.

>>102857759
intel overpromises and underdelivers constantly

>>102858092
Hopefully, yes, also the Zen5c 16-core CCDs might trickle down to desktop eventually so we might get AMD's equivalent of big.little in the next gen with mixed big core CCD and compact core CCDs.

>>102858141
>big.shittle on desktop
that is a horrible idea

>>102858189
I think it's a great idea in principle. Intel's abortion of a thread director doesn't make the concept bad. I guess we'll see if they managed to properly unfuck it in Arrow Lake.

>>102852368
eBay sides with the buyers too much. I wouldn't trust it.

>>102858253
Unless you document every step of the way from packing to shipping. Even then, if the buyer frauds you and sends you back a fake or altered GPU eBay will tell you to fuck off and file a police report.

Just heard about the most recent leak that amd lied about the leak about rdna being slated for Q1 release when its actually planned for a Nov release to throw Nvidia off guard.

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>>102858092
well its not just a new IOD but also its becoming an SoC in addition to the Zen6 arch uplifts.
I imagine it will look like how they laid out Strix Halo but with a much smaller IOD.

>>102858322
its been deboonked and rdna4 is still launching next year

>>102858322
>AMD lied
Have they ever not?

Anons, my gpu temps goes around 63-67 on average which is very good afaik. But a friend started talking about GPU hotspot temps. I checked my and it was around 73-75 average. Is that good? Should I be worried or even care?

7800X3D or wait for the 9800X3D? The 7800X3D's price skyrocketed to €500 in my country.

>>102858520
>wait for the chip that will launch in a week at the same MSRP as its predecessor or buy its predecessor at scalped prices well above MSRP

>>102858508
if your GPU is under 80°C it's too cold
if it's 80-95°C it's fine
if it's over that, it's bad

>>102858541
Ok thats a load of my shoulder , thanks anon I thought I had to reapply thermal paste or something to fix it

>>102858565
yeah "safe" temperatures are different for different parts, for example NVMe drives can't hold up to nearly the same temperatures and those temperatures would likely already be too high for one.
But for most parts, by default you'll have thermal throttling, so while you'll lose some performance ,you shouldn't worry about your part being damaged unless you did something horribly wrong (like not install a cpu cooler or use a gpu where the fans don't spin) unless you turn off that thermal throttling yourself
Parts try to keep themselves alive, as you might have expected

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>>102858531
>same MSRP

>>102858531
>at the same MSRP
I hope so.

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How do I de-transition my RGBT pc? The RAM has RGBT, the cooler's fan has RGBT, the case fan is RGBT. I'm sure, I can replace the case fan. Can I replace the RGB fans of deepcool AG620 with Acrtic P12? Will this cause issues? What can I do about the RGB RAM?

>>102858848
If you can see your ram you're already transitioning
As for the fans, isn't the RGB separate? Just don't plug it in

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All the anons are busy having sex. No one here to answer my questions.

>>102858963
Is the cooler that big?

>>102858970
I finished having sex and am bathing now, what's your question

>>102858963
I didn't know that about the fans, that's pretty gay. I thought 4 pin fans and you are done. Ok, can I replace deepcool cpu cooler fans with arctic p12 pwm pst?

>>102858984
Basically, I want to de-transition my RGBT pc. Can I replace my fans on Deepcool AG620 with Arctic p12 pwm pst? What can I do about my RGBT RAM?

>>102858848
Disable the lights, and don't waste money buying more mediocre fans.

>>102858848
just get a case with a solid sidepanel and you're done
no need to touch the internals

>>102859041
This is the best Idea. I'm gonna disable the lights. I bought all the fans anon. I have a 5 pack of p12 and 5 pack of p14. Are p12s worse than deepcool fans?

>>102859046
I bought Qube 500 and I like it. I would have loved it if it had solid side panels though.

>>102855208
7700x = 7800x3d cus i have a 7700x,
STOP THE CAP

>>102858520
For that monies, just get a 7900x or 7950x. It will have good enough gay-men performance.

>>102858983
No it's because you're lacking a solid side panel.
>>102859012
Your question was 12 min old when you complained and during that time you got a response.
Fuck off faggot
Ywnbaw btw

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>>102859109
>Ywnbaw btw
Women are disgusting and men are repulsive. Its a lonely world desu sempai. Animu girls ftw.

>>102859150
You write like you're 13
Wait until you're 18 before coming to this site

>>102859093
IPC is exactly the same, it's same core. Performance for actually important things like loading assets and lack of stutters is identical.
high fps gaming is for e sport faggots, do you even understand what big 3D cache does?

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I received my x870 pro rs. I didn't expect it to be so big. Looks pretty cool. I didn't expect to receive an Asrock bag for this since its budget.

>>102859233
I'm twenty eight and a virgin anon. I've fumbled qt 3.14s and it was all my fault.

>>102859239
yeah its ATX
>bag
that's cool

an honest question, why do you people buy new hardware every year/ two? I bought a r5 1600x in 2018 and i still use it and i will use it for years to come. Before that I used amd phenom II X3 710, with asus mobo that unlocked 4th core and the reason i got a new one is because the motherboard died and was really hard to find another.

Do you do it for thrill because i doubt any of you do anything meaningful on those systems, just play games that are just shit these days.

What gpu is good to cap out on 2560x1440?
I have a i7 12700 I wont be cpu bottlenecked, with a 4070 TI s, right?

>>102859275
You waited for so long, sure you can wait one more year without putting your pickle inside a woman to obtain magical power.

>>102859344
>Before that I used amd phenom II X3 710
>2009 processor
sheeh you used that for a long time

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>>102859275
keep your virginity and become a grand wizard

>>102859386
>>102859364
No. I've been waiting for unvaxxed grills. And the only unvaxed qt that I know called me good looking yesterday. Hopefully I don't fumble this one.

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>>102857427
>>102857222
So, I bought a new cable, and attached the pc to the home TV.
Nothing, same issue, it doesn't detect anything
Could it be the motherboard? Or the RAM? Or the processor?
I am genuinely desperate
There are no good repair shops in my vicinity

>>102859344
Bro trust me, the upgrade from my 1600 to 5600x was absurd.
Legitimately just buy a 5700x3d off Ali for 135 bucks and you're set for another like 6 years CPU wise
>>102859360
What frame rate is cap out?
With or without dlss/framegen?
Do you want max settings or just medium?

>>102859419
Did you try different pcie slot? It could be any part but I think most likely are psu mobo CPU.
Unplug all your PSU cables on both ends and then plug them back in and try.
If no work and you have other PSU cables, especially for GPU, try swapping them and try.
If no work, switch pcie port for GPU and try
If no work, fuck with a single ram stick in every slot, try both sticks (unlikely to be issue imo)
If no work, take CPU out, inspect, if no flaws reseat and try.
If no work I would honestly just buy a new PSU if you can't borrow shit off a friend or go to a repair store.
Sometimes PSUs just die randomly

You're in suffering territory not much to do

Is arrow lake done on a TSMC process?
What happened to Intel 5nm or 20A or whatever it was called?

>>102859513
>What happened to Intel 5nm or 20A or whatever it was called?
Friendship ended with shintel fab.

>>102856111
ok i dankened the gamma a bit with windows display calibration tool, while keeping the monitor in "gamma 3" mode the ramps switch smoothly between RGB and CMY tint, right in between where the ramps are grey is the sweetspot and makes bright content a bit more tolerable. "shadow control" in the game settings allow to make everything including the whites darker but at the expense of crushed blacks...

>>102859513
only the base tile uses rebranded intel 22nm. the soc, compute and gpu tiles are tsmc built

>>102859413
Weak.

>>102859344
If I had the feature to sell an older am4 chip and get a 5950x, I'd do it. If I could get a better gpu and sell the old one, I would. These days, you can probably get a used 5950x haha. Its a cheap upgrade. I say this while using a 2018 stinkpad and before that I was using a x230 from 2013.

>>102859565
Since I'm a virgin, I could use some advice.

>>102859578
virgins are not people and giving them dating advice is basically complicity in rape